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Why global warming is our number one priority


Posted on the campaign blog , September 27th, 2006
ItÂ’s simple. We need to eliminate millions of tonnes of heat-trapping carbon dioxide from the thin and vulnerable layer of our earthÂ’s atmosphere. We have the technology today to do this. What we lack is the political will.

The world’s scientists agree we need deep cuts in carbon emissions of at least 60 per cent by 2050 to avoid what our Prime Minister has dismissed as the “gloomy predictions”.

For Australia, these include crippling drought, severe floods, more destructive bush fires, record-breaking heat waves, increasing water scarcity and intensifying cyclones and storms. And theyÂ’re happening now.

Economically, we stand to lose billions - $1.5 billion in tourism is supported by the Great Barrier Reef alone, which the CSIRO predicts to be 97 per cent dead and bleached with only a 2-3°C rise in average global temperature.

A further $550 million comes from our ski industry, which CSIRO research shows will be reduced by more up to 60 per cent with a seemingly innocuous rise of just 1°C in average global temperature.

Yet despite the Federal Government's rhetoric, Australia continues to emit the most planet-changing carbon dioxide per capita of any industrialised country in the world because of our heavy reliance on coal.

Our key decision-makers have their heads too far down a coalmine to sign the Kyoto Protocol, price carbon appropriately or encourage genuine large-scale investment in renewable energy. They would rather find obstacles to action than solutions.

But in truth, we're far from short on solutions to climate change right here in Australia.


New South Wales is setting up a National Emissions Trading Taskforce, and The Australian Business Roundtable on Climate Change recently brought together major corporations to make the case for early action with the help of the CSIRO and AllenÂ’s consulting.

Many advocacy groups have been doing remarkable work on climate change for years, such as Greenpeace and the World Wildlife Fund Australia, while new initiatives like Climate Movement Australia and the Climate Institute are all adding to the tipping point for change. Even Channel 7's Sunrise have started their own petition to cool the globe and keep the Federal Government from slashing rebates for solar power.

More useful information for tackling our climate crisis include the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and CaliforniaÂ’s Climate Change Portal. And to start with your reducing your own carbon footprint, check out David Suzuki's guide to going carbon neutral, switching your home to Green Power and other take home tips from the GreenHome challenge.

And even if you think youÂ’'ve heard it all before about global warming, donÂ’t miss Al GoreÂ’s film An Inconvenient Truth.


The economic costs of doing nothing are greater than we can imagine, while the potential returns of acting now are tremendous. Our biggest challenge right now is actually the timidity and smallness in our politics that are holding us back -- and democracy is the solution.

Yesterday, GetUp attended the Climate Action Network Australia's conference on climate change and we were energised and inspired by all the ideas in the works for getting democracy into action, to step up and truly meet a challenge that unites us all.



The groundswell movement is beginning, and here is our message: this issue is bigger than party politics, bigger than special interests and more important than short-term economic gain.
Give us responsible leadership and bold action now to solve the climate crisis, or step aside.


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Elke Kerr
September 28th, 2006

Finally people are starting to get the message! I have been trying to convince people for years but most have just find my green persuasion eccentric. The future really is in our hands. The Australian government must get out of the pockets of big business and have the guts to consider more than just their own political future! We all must consume less, use less, recycle, install solar energy, grey water recycling systems, permaculture...what ever we can. It is an investment in the future. But much more, the current global economy must change for us to survive. Those with power and money, must act with the future in mind, not just for the bottom line.

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Greg Rolles
September 28th, 2006

Whilst the "big people" with the billions need to act, its going to take individauls acting and setting examples. Coming into summer, its good to note that air conditioning will put a lot of strain on our environment, Instead of throwing AC on, make sure in the morning, you close all your doors and blinds, this will keep your house cooler and cut down on the need for AC. Also dont do a Homer Simpson and use the fridge as AC....

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jackhone
September 28th, 2006

I support 'Greenpeace' and they would appreciate your assistance in creating a programme in support of their campaign to protect wales. can you advise me please how they can contact you? thank you, Sincerely Jack Hone

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Mitchell Duncan
September 28th, 2006

Whilst I also believe that the need for climate change is urgent and important, also think that a strong part of this initiative MUST address our reliance on fossil fuels. No... I'm not a rabid tree hugging "greenie" (been there, done that) but I think we also need to push the government away from their incestuous relationship with the mining and petrochemical industries. What REALLY astounded me recently was the statement, made by an academic (Uni. of NSW or CSIRO) on the ABC TV recently, that ALL of Australia's energy problems could be met by a 25 sq km solar power station. I did a quick double take.....



OK. You wouldn't put it all in one place, for energy security reasons. So you would split it up into, say, 6 (1 for each state and territory - leave out Tasmania - the Hydro would screw you) state generators connected to the grid. This makes each about 4.2 sq kms - that is about 2.05 km per side. Now.. this is NOT a big area... in fact I've been on farms where the house paddock is bigger !



If the academic is right, then all the bullshit about energy security from fossil fuels is simply that - bullshit ! I think therefore, that part of the GetUp campaign ought to also play the flipside of global warming by putting the squeeze on the government into REALLY investing in alternative energy - not just paying lip service to it (and get them off the mothers teat of the large corporates). This is real, and it cane be done practically. Australia could lead the world in alternative energy research (we already do in electronic-solar conversion semiconductors).



Let's REALLY take the agenda for our future into our own hands !!

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Catherine Walsh
September 28th, 2006

If all the Get-Up members who care about global warming become members of The Greens, we would send a clear message to the two major political parties that we need action now. And while we're at it, we want to live in a society, not an economy. All the issues dealt with by Get-Up are covered by Greens' policies.



I've recently distributed to my child's school challenges for kids: turn off taps, walk to school, turn off electricity, reduce first, then reuse, then recycle, think about the lifespan of things etc. I told them about downshifting, Take Back Your Time Day, International Buy Nothing Day, Live Simply So Others Can Simply Live. Today they had a No Rubbish Day. They saw it as a tribute to Steve Irwin. I see it as saving the planet. I'm hoping they'll be discussing all this with their parents.



Catherine

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Mike Purtell
September 28th, 2006

I congratulate GetUp on supporting such a vital and important issue-I am just so sick of politicians trying to sideline this vital issue

just continue to continue as if nothing needed to change - oh and lets expaaaaaand our coal exports at the same time.

Thanks once again GetUP

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Ned Iceton
September 28th, 2006

I agree that action must be taken at every level from the international ISP level (see ) and from national government level down to ourselves. These global systems are so complex that the detail of what will happen is impossible to prove, but the general evidence of disaster is overwhelming. As with nuclear disaster, the risk of NOT avoiding it is just too great. "I think it will see ME out" is just not an acceptable line. The possibility that El Nino will become permanent and cause desertification from Perth right round and up to Cairns, just to keep our coal industry going, is simply not a trade-off. So let us support GetUp, and let us 'globalise goodwill, not greed; cooperation, not coercion. Use your vote to take back political control from the ‘big end’: Adopt the Simultaneous Policy! - '

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B. Carring
September 28th, 2006

I'm so relieved to see people getting together to hold our politicians accountable on climate change!!

Let's take them on now!

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john Hepburn
September 28th, 2006

Ultimately, the solution to climate change is democracy. After Tampa, Iraq, AWB and a decade of lies, a lot of us are feeling pretty disillusioned with the state of our democracy. The campaign to prevent catastrophic climate change is a campaign that we can't afford to lose. And in winning change, we have a powerful opportunity to revitalise our democracy.



While it may be difficult to imagine getting John Howard to act, I think many of us can imagine getting our federal MP to act. It won't be easy, but I reckon we can win 150 grassroots campaigns - to get all 150 of our elected representative to act.



The challenge will be to make sure we don't get bought off by false solutions and spin. The choice is over dirty vs clean energy. Coal vs renewables.

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Stephen Thomas
September 28th, 2006

While waiting and agitating for the Government to do something about this, we can actually take meaningful individual action as well. If we all do these things - things which will actually save us money, by the way - we can not only cause change; we can *be* change.



If you currently have an off-peak electric hot water service, install a retrofit solar collector. If your hot water service is reasonably big, and if you angle your collector toward the winter sun instead of just plonking down flush with your roof, the reduction in your electricity bill should pay for your solar collector in about eight years, give or take; that's a 12% rate of return on investment, even in the unlikely event that electricity prices don't rise. A decent collector should last at least 20 years, leaving you with a net profit far greater than the cost of the collector.



I have just bought mine from Endless Solar (http://www.endless-solar.com.au/ - I'm not affiliated with them in any way, I just think their product is the best currently available).



Next, replace all your incandescent lighting with compact fluorescent lamps. Every single one of these you install will save you at least twenty dollars over its expected service life, compared to its incandescent equivalents.



Next, sign up for a 100% green electricity supply. This will typically cost you one or two percent more than the cheapest available non-renewable supply, but your solar collector and CFL lighting will easily cover that cost. If enough people sign up for renewable electricity, there will be more renewable plant built and the return on investment in coal-fired power will drop, regardless of how much the Government drags its feet on the MRET issue.



Next, embrace higher fuel prices! Driving at 80 km/h when fuel is $1.30 per litre will cost you less than driving at 100 km/h when it's $1.10, and extends a 20 km freeway trip by all of three minutes.



I get a great deal of enjoyment out of laughing uproariously at fools in huge four wheel drives who roar past giving me the finger at 130 km/h, and every time fuel prices go up another ten cents, I get to laugh even harder. When I'm filling up my tiny little car for $25 and the guy at the next pump is putting $110 into his 4WD, my smirk becomes more obnoxious than Costello's :)



When you next buy a car, buy the most fuel-efficient car you can afford. You should be able to cut your fuel bill to much less than you're paying at present. Buy something with a small turbo-diesel motor, if you can find one that suits - apart from having lower fuel consumption to start with, diesel motors can run on 100% renewable fuel with no modifications: see http://www.biodiesel.org.au/ for more information.

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anna mycko
September 28th, 2006

We need to be very clear in this campaign that Nuclear power is NOT a CLEAN alternative - its an out of the frying pan into the fire option which should not be taken if we are serious about long term viability for the environment because there is no solution to the safe disposal or storage of nuclear waste.

While I appreciate your desire to redraw the map of Australia it seems you've been too literal and your map has Adelaide on the wrong side of the gulf . I'm sure there are lots of supporters on Yorke peninsular as well but my post code is in Adelaide and I don't see any dots there and I'm sure I'm not the ony one living here who signed on. So please put us back on the climate change map!!!

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Wende Jowsey
September 28th, 2006

Ok...here's a trend setting idea. Why not find out the average amount of carbon emission particles in the air above various major Australian ctiies, or the average amount of electrical kilowatt hours consumed in a day and then pick a day to ask consumers to reduce that by 5%.



If that works, make it one day a month and increase it to 10. Show the government that average citizens are capable of setting an example and then ask them to match it or beat it...Lay the gauntlet down, make it a contest and invite the press....who knows?



Most excellent research and writing on this one. Congratulations to the team for taking up the last important cause.

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Erica Jolly
September 28th, 2006

The latest action by the Prime Minister of placing the Parliamentary Secretary for Water and the organisation for water in the Office of the Prime Minister does not necessarily mean that we will see positive environmental action. It is more likely to mean his Office will be in a position to see what kind of 'spin' is needed to counter any adverse political fallout as we move closer to the election in 2007. How, for example, might the adverse effects of climate change be blamed on the States? South Australia has a significantly increased emphasis on alternative renewable energy. However the Federal government is concentrating on geo-sequestration of carbon and has undermined alternative renewable industries. In a recent lecture, David Suzuki pointed out the immense cost of nuclear power, giving the example of the costs to Canadian taxpayers. However he also made the point that the market-driven approach of ongoing economic growth is an illusion. Consumers need to think twice and three times about buying. The notion of 'retail therapy' with the concentration on shopping only increases the emphasis on consumption instead of conservation.

Posted by E. A. Jolly 6.35 pm

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John
September 28th, 2006

I don't know what this fuss is all about. I've just read a report called "Securing Sydney's Water Supply - Metropolitan Water Plan (www. waterforlife.com.au) and they tell me that with all of the water available from aquifers, a desalination plant and other activities that "IT ALSO MEANS THAT WE WILL NEVER HAVE TO FACE WATER RESTRICTIONS MORE SEVERE THAN THOSE CURRENTLY IN PLACE".



This means that we will never have to face level 4 water restrictions or above....never ever. Goody goody gum drops.



The report goes on. It has been written by very credible academics (Professor Stuart White - Institute for Susutainable Futures - University of Technology, Sydney and David Campbell - ACIL Tasman) and it also states "Drought is a normal climatic condition in Australia but the current drought has been particularly severe...however, there are signs that drought conditions are easing...already this year the system is up 3% on its level at the end of 2005".



The best part is the following:

"Of course, it is important to remember that while drought conditions have eased, it is still important that we all continue to save water. However, we no longer face the prospect of having to impose further restrictions since we now have other options available to help us through even the most severe drought conditions".



The amazing part of all of this is that the politicians and soem academics really believe this!!!!!!!

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anne maher
September 28th, 2006

The solution is pretty simple really. We have all the sunlight needed to provide enough energy for the entire country not to mention the added resources of wind, waves, tidal energy and hydro. Do you know that our neighbours, New Zealand's energy is 90% renewable? Why can't we be as progressive as our Kiwi friends? it is shameful that Australia has the second highest per capita greenhouse gas emmissions in the world! And there is no need to alter our lifestyle. All we need to do is to provide funding and encouragement for Reseach and Development of renewable energy sources. The knowledge is out there but the political will is not; neither, unfortunately, is it high on the agenda of most Australians. We have to spread the word! Thank you getup for providing this blog so I can express my views.

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Pete Whetton
September 28th, 2006

Big business should realise that they are the solution as well as a part of the problem. However there is a buck to be made from fixing the problem so they might yet do something sensible as to Gocvt how could Howards mob know anything about the climate with their heads burried in a very brown place in the States.

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Cy d'Oliveira
September 28th, 2006

For 20 years, I have tried to get governments to build my refinerie, that process sewage, and harvests, potable water and Hydrogen in such quantities to replace fossil fuel, and switch to a hydrogen economy. details on my website >www.users.bigpond.net.au/dngr < Please help me this is the only technology that can slow down and reverse climate change. All help welcome!!!!!!.

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Trisha
September 28th, 2006

While I totally agree global warming is our number 1 priority, the global community needs to start addressing the devastation animal agribusiness has on our environment. It is responsible for devastation of forests, high consumption of water, polution of our water ways, high grain consumption and of course, factory farming which is barbarically cruel. Factory farming should be banned.



Please view this :

"You think you can be a meat eating environmentalist? Think again"

http://www.vegsoc.org.au/downloads/VVSQ-enviroLeaflet-inside.pdf



The above pdf file gives a lot of reasons why animal agribusiness is bad for the planet, bad for health, and of course, unbelieveably unjust and cruel toward animals.



If we all agree and are serious that we wish to save the planet and that we believe in non violence as well, then we should all consider becoming vegans.

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Andrew Gaines
September 28th, 2006

It is thrilling to see MoveUp! take such a clear initiative. And, as Lilly noted, dealing with climate change is now on the corporate agenda. Climate change itself is part of a suite of environmental problems that are connected with our economic system (which is set up to increase consumption) and our current industrial system.



And as John Hepburn (previous post) also noted democracy in Au hasn't been doing too well of late. All of these different aspects are connected. Therefore we need a 'whole system change' that involves industrial redesign, economic reform, changes in education and personal psychology, and most importantly a change in direction so that wellbeing rather than sheer economic increase becomes our national goal. Clive Hamilton's Wellbeing Manifesto articulates this well.



The Futures Foundation has started the Project to Make Wellbeing a National Priority. The vision is to stimulate thousands of discussion groups around Australia thinking through the many dimensions of change that are needed. Evolving a World That Works, the ten chapter manual for the Project, can be downloaded for free from www.futuresfoundation.org.au. I invite you to have a look.



We are at a tipping point.



Cheers! Andrew Gaines

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Philip Packham
September 28th, 2006

Public transport should be enhanced using massive numbers of natural gas powered buses, until we can get alternative carbon neutral energy sources such as geothermal, solar etc to a point where fossil fuel consumption os not necessary.

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Robynne Burchell
September 28th, 2006

Once again Get-Up gets it right. Global warming is indeed a dire threat to the viability of all people, not just Australians.



I become so despondent when I hear the Prime Minister denying this massive problem, and I do wonder why legislating for all new dwellings to have solar power and water heating is yet to happen.



I do hope that this campaign will encourage the electorate to take the neccessary action with their local reps. to address this as a high priority.

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Gayle Russell
September 28th, 2006

I want to urge all Australians to sign up for GreenPower in their homes and workplaces. Origin Energy 1300 791 459 offer 100% wind or 100% solar NEW Green Power for around 5.5 cents per kWh extra. Nothing to pay for a renewable carbon-neutral energy source. I have been astounded by the number of people who haven't joined up. Also Climate Friendly offer 100% NEW green energy, ph: (02) 6680 8596 and you can also add an extra package with them tooffset your total travel ecological footprint. I have started Climate Action Group inthe Far North Coast. and we are gifting to people to get them to sign up - as well as doing lobbying. We recognise that most people don't know they can make a difference and haven't even considered green power. Hardly anybody ever thinks that when we plug in all the whizz bang electronic gadgetry we have nowadays the power plug links us to 19th centrury coal-fired , profoundly pollutin power plants. People take electricity so much for granted so the giting idea seems to be working well. I also ask every business I deal with: Have you singed up for Green Power? If not, why not? And then ask them about their environmentally moral position on these issues.

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Luz Stanton
September 28th, 2006

We stand to loose more than billions...



I urge you to browse or download this very important book for free.



http://www.yeomansplow.com.au/priority-one.htm

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Alex Dudley
September 28th, 2006

Climate change is one of those issues that the Federal Government is running scared from- funding research into alternative energies is a very inneficient means of addrssing issues when simple solutions are already available. Carbon taxes, introducing standards for building design, emission standards for vehicles, tying funding to energy-efficiency infrastructure, funding cycle paths etc.. And read this article in New Scientist, if you weren't concerned already..

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19125713.300-one-degree-and-were-done-for.html

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Graeme Sweeney
September 28th, 2006

Taking care of the environment has just got to be our top priority. A ruined environment means a ruined people. Surely even blind Freddy can see that?

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Robert Wiblin
September 28th, 2006

Great to see guys, thanks for doing this.



You link to An Inconvenient Truth on this page is broken by the way.

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Ilona Megan Renwick
September 28th, 2006

Over the last few hundred years, all over the earth, forests have been cut down with increasing rapidity. At the same time significant industrial pollution and greenhouse gases have been pouring into the atmosphere.



Such great changes must have an effect on the planet - the global warming we are seeing now.

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Peter Trapp
September 28th, 2006

Al Gore was kind enough to say that South Australia was a credit to the 'global warming survival' lobby. Very nice but, altho it is a positive contribution, it is only in one state. The moves made here (and they could still be greater) need to be replicated in all states. Even in SA we are still seriously dependent on gas and coal fired power stations - and of course also host the Olympic Dam uranium mine. If we could get rid of that we could certainly be proud of our contribution to world energy change.

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Thomas KokkinosKennedy
September 28th, 2006

response to Catherine Walsh: Why would any person join a political party? The party system is moribund, entropic, and inherently unable to respond quickly to issues that do not relate pressingly to its continued political survival.

Imagine an organisation whose sole remit is to encourage the election of independents.

We would have a mass of discrete, free thinking political entities aligned only with their conscience.

The mono-brain party system cannot generate the debates necessary to look at the complexity of any environmental issues.

I think that your active education within your school community has probably had a more lasting effect on the planet than your political allegiances.

Truly partied out.

Thomas KK

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Katherine Carra
September 29th, 2006

Thanks Getup for giving me some hope ...



I went to see An Inconvenient Truth on Monday night and have quartered my family's emissions in a day ... by walking, busing and not using electricity unless necessary.



It scared the hell out of me and it is fantastic that you have thrown your weight behind the campaign - lets hope we can change the world ... today!

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Andy Cole
September 29th, 2006

the gov should introduce an environment tax levied on cars according to engine size. the effect would be immediate.

all suitable properties to have water tanks retro fitted.

i have changed my car from 8lt to 2lt and have installed a 4500 lt watertank.

what have you done?

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Jeremy Hurst
September 29th, 2006

As a basic start point, every home in Australia should be green smart and have photovoltaic panels to supply home electricity.... and that's just the beginning. We have abundant free solar energy that's just not being harnessed. Every building and sky-scraper in our cities should also wear solar panels.... solar energy needs to move beyond public phones and parking meters.



As for urban sprawl - it has GOT to end. Commuters travelling vast distances is simply unsustainable. The great aussie dream of your own home on a 1/4 acre block is history - we need to get with the rest of the world and stem urban sprawl as it is killing our planet! Every conversation I have these days seems to come around to the issue of climate change - everyone is talking about it... FINALLY!

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Anthony Nolan
September 29th, 2006

I'd like to chime in with John Hepburn above. The real solution here is renewed democracy - one in which democratic principles are installed in workplaces, the domestic sphere, at the level of corporate governance and decision making and all areas of public life.



The solutions to global warming must address the needs of all sections of the Australian community. We need to be wary of corporations and their pet parliamentarians bearing new green credentials but operating in the same old way.

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Kevin Cox
September 29th, 2006

It is no good just reducing the amount of green house gases we emit - we have to start to reduce the amount of green house gases already in the atmosphere. This is going to take even more energy and research. One way to help finance this is to take the taxes we are already paying on petrol, coal etc. and setting up mechanisms outside the control of governments to ensure that the money is spent on green house reductions. See my article in onlineopinion for one way of ensuring taxes from existing energy are spent on reducing green house gases.

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=4856

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Joseph Parkes
September 29th, 2006

Some Get UP! bloggers are demanding more 'democracy' in Australia. But when individual Australians are told by their Government(s) that if they campaign to have the electorate refuse to vote for the thieves and rogues who use our Parliaments as cornucopian feeding troughs, they will be thrown into jail, pray tell me what 'democracy' are we talking about? And the relevance of this to our environmental desctruction? Why, who do you think is responsible for what is happing to our planet. Anarchy could hardly make things any worse.

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Paul Daley
September 29th, 2006

^ the problem is that the governement is merely serves the interests of the $$$$



apparently is it is not economically viable to sustain life on earth



I sold my car



i walk to work



i grow as much of my own food as i can (and this rate is "growing")



i send letters and email politicians reguarly (funnily enough they dont reply, is this common ?)



I am astounded in my circle how many people are asleep to this and don't really take it seriously



the government released a terrorism package to many households a few years ago, including a fridge magnet ! ! !



why have they not released a climate change package ??



i still don't beleive the average person realises what they are contributing to (CLIMATE CHANGE)



write a letter !



talk to a friend !



learn the facts and most importantly (this is hard for me sometimes)



BE POSITIVE !

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Geoff Wynn
September 29th, 2006

At last there is some action about this problem, we have known for over 3 decades now that our oil reserves were running out, yet after those oil shocks of the 70's and 80's we are still almost fully reliant on oil and other fossil fuels! No proper investment in alternative fuels and in Qld why does't EVERY new house have to have solar hot water, we get more than enough sunlight. But go even further by making all new homes and buildings be made to install solar panels to provide electricity to each home, building and putting the rest back into the power grid. In the end the money spent on rebates like we now have with water tanks and solar hot water, would probably make it unnecessary to build more fossil fueled power stations. And while BCC has replaced a lot of its ANCIENT dirty diesel buses there are still too many of those old bombs spewing clouds of black smoke, get them off our roads now. When is the electorate going to wake up to these idiot politicians in Canberra who couldn't give a rats a*** for the environment, time to get rid of the tired, lying and increasingly arrogant federal govt, before they screw up the whole thing in the never ending quest to shaft the less well off wih a lack of infrastructure and services, all for the "balanced"(probably rubbery figures) bottom line in their budget.

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Heather Gibbs
September 29th, 2006

Great initiative GetUp, and lots of interesting thoughts and opinions here too - Thanks everyone! It's great to know that people do care!!



Mitchell - I saw that on TV too, and I don't know about their figures, but I did look into the energy flux of the earth, and the solar energy coming in each day is certainly many thousands of times current human energy needs!



And - while I have sympathy for those with a 'green' angle on this (yes they have been telling us for years) THIS HAS TO BE BIGGER THAN THAT. The greens are NOT going to win the next federal election! So we have to work with what we've got - and get this issue into the centre of the mainstream agenda!



ALSO ... I am interested in any feedback on my web page "More Climate Change thoughts and links ... " at:



http://www.protoavis.com.au/climate.htm

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Brian Cox
September 29th, 2006

I have had a personal theory of my own over the last 20 years that I called it the C4 factor we are putting 4 times the CO2 into the environment that it is able to adsorb by normal process. I had given our planet 240 years before life could not exist. I was not completely right I did not think that it would move so fast there are vast amounts of CO2 trapped in the ice caps north and south. I see the numbers on exponential scale.

It is not of a monetary intellect but one of life and our existence on this planet.

Congratulations GET UP you all have my support!!

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Glennys Jones
September 29th, 2006

The Governments short-sighted answer to rising petrol costs is to subsidise retrofitting cars to burn a different fossil fuel eg: gas instead of petrol.



Investing in a safe bike commuting and parking network would not only reduce the air and noise polution but would also reduce our burgeoning waistlines and the associated longterm health issues.



Upgrading and extending public transport, particularly to the newer outer suburbs would benefit old and young alike.

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richard swinton
September 29th, 2006

I think the sequence in Al Gore's film where he shows the powerpoint slide presented by a Government officer with bars of gold on one side of the balance and the planet earth on the other is symbolic of our Governments attitude. "we mustn't threaten wealth creation, even if it means compromising the survival of the planet!"

This isn't a negotiable position!! Our future depends on keeping the earth within a fairly tight window of tempreatures. As James Lovelock (Gaia theory) said - 'the planet will always survive - the issue is whether we can live on it!'

It's time to throw off the b*******t the economic rationalists have been foisting on us for decades and get back to common sense and real values. We must work together to achieve a more equitable world and recognise that sustainable exponential economic growth is oxymoronic. We live on a finite planet and must learn to live within our means. Our aim should be personal and community, not material, growth. And to combat climate change, we must start NOW.

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Sanjay Patel
September 29th, 2006

What does me head in about the current governments' policies is the enormous ($27 billion and rising) SURPLUS in the budget.



Damn it this is OUR money and governments must spend it on major infrastructure projects.

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Anna Molan
September 29th, 2006

GetUp, this is a great start on climate change, but what happens once the map is covered with dots? As George Monbiot says on his turnuptheheat.org site, we could keep talking till kingdom come, and still lose the biosphere.



Has the GetUp campaign worked out its specific campaign target? 60% carbon equivalent reduction by 2050, or 80% by 2030, or what? Unless we demand a scientifically rational commitment from our politicians, this campaign could just be serving them up a feel-good slogan or two to take into the next election. Radical action is now demanded.



So how should we Get Up on this? What comes after dots on the map?

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Kate
September 29th, 2006

A major part of the problem is the government's obsesssion with the energy market - a consumer market model delivering the cheapest elctricity prices in the OECD without a glimmer of consideration for the increase in emissions caused by the behaviour of the market. Check out the greenhouse intensity figures on NEMMCO's website in the settlement section and ask yourself why have the emissions remained so high for the last 5 years? The environmental impact is treated as an externality in the market... this is not acceptable. SCREAM for change - you're the end user!

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Greg Hopwood
September 29th, 2006

as a Greens party member i'd like to reiterate Anna's comment - "We need to be very clear in this campaign that Nuclear power is NOT a CLEAN alternative" and add that nuclear power is also not economically viable. not a single country adopting nuclear power has generated a single watt without huge govt subsidies, and then you've got to dump the mutagenic waste on someone.

regarding Gayle Russell's comment -

"I want to urge all Australians to sign up for GreenPower in their homes and workplaces" - when Ergon Energy signed me up without consultation or permission, adding $10 to my bill, i rang them up and informed them damming rivers is not green and i shouldn't have to pay extra so Ergon can implement wind turbines, considering that Peter Beattie intends to sell/privatise Ergon and Energex this year [2006].

as for water. Malcom Turbull has a water privatisation agenda. corporate theft of natural and essential services is big blackmail these days, and has a dirty history.

i think Ozzies should be aware that John Howard's office of water policy or ministry of water or whatever title, has no authority what so ever.

Commonwealth Of Australia Constitution Act

Chapter IV. Finance And Trade.

"100. The Commonwealth shall not, by any law or regulation of trade or commerce, abridge the right of a State or of the residents therein to the reasonable use of the waters of rivers for conservation or irrigation."

http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/general/constitution/chapter4.htm

http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/general/constitution/index.htm

but all is not lost. Perth buses currently run on BP supplied hydrogen. the Icelandic fishing fleet runs on hydrogen. NASA sponsored Ozzy auronautic engineers broke the world speed record with hydrogen scram jets.

convection towers can adequately replace coal-burners and don't require fuel. fuel cells can replace farm and isolated communities diesel or petrol generators.

it's just a shame mugsly and dingbat aren't motivated untill crisis is sitting at the kitchen table.




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Louise McCabe
September 29th, 2006

thanks everyone for your thoughts... this is very inspiring... an organisation like GetUp is fantastic. We need each other to continue to stay positive and active to change the very depressing political and social climate which has created climate change. With this kind of activity I feel positive that we can turn around the tide.

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Julian Grundy
September 29th, 2006

I'm afraid with the likes of Bush and Howard in the chair, not much is going to happen as these men are short sighted, into short term solutions and anti-democratic.



It is Australia's greatest shame that we refuse to sign the Kyoto Convention along with America and we continue to build coal fired power stations and isolate ourselves from the rest of the World because of our sycophantic and subservient relationship with the US.



Climate change is a lofty ideal that will never happen until the Australian and US governments are sacked and consigned to the scrap heap where they belong, never to return.

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John Blomfield
September 29th, 2006

We need a complete rethink of the whole notion of energy production, which has historically relied upon centralised mass energy production by big business or government. The solutions to global warming and water shortage that I hear being bandied about are pretty much all based on this same mindset, ie: find ways to mass produce energy that are not damaging to the atmosphere, and build more dams so we have more water. Profit generating, business owned and managed energy and water infrastructure seems to be the underpinning ideology of all proposed solutions.



We have the technology now to make every building energy and water self sufficient, and this is what we should be working towards with urgency. My own suburban house has a water tank and solar hot water. The house is designed and built with materials that mean we don't need air conditioning, and we also don't use gas or electric heating. If we could afford it we would also put in a recycle gray water system, and we would meet all our power needs with additional solar panels. We could even feed additional power we generate back into the grid. This is nothing new, people already do it! We, like most people, can't afford this, but how much more affordable would it be if the many billions it would cost to build extra dams and alternative mass power generating plants was instead put into further developing, and subsidising, technologies that make each home, factory and office block self sufficient?



If everyone had Solar panels on their roof and fed their excess energy into the grid, perhaps that would be our future power production method. Decentralised power production, with each building being a power generation 'cell'.



Am I too much of a dreamer???

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James Taylor
September 29th, 2006

Half of this global warming scare is just hype! Really!



Back in the 70's we were worried that our emissions were causing a mini ice age. Despite rising CO2 levels the golbal temperature actually dropped between 1940 and 1970. People were scared.



About half the CO2 we put into the atmosphere disapears. Natural systems are absorbing it.



There are a few myths about global warming. A few months ago I thought it was important to use biofuels rather than fosil fuels. Now I seriously doubt that it will make any difference to the atmospherice CO2 level. As long as we use less, it's a good thing.



I saw Al Gore's movie. It was ok but too much of it was marketing hype.



We need to be very careful that we aren't just reacting to that hype. We need to make the changes that will have an effect and ignore the things that are irrelevant.



My car has a tiny 3 cylinder 659cc engine. It gets better fuel ecconomy than a hybrid.



I wish we had a Government with enough leadership to sign the Kyoto Protocol. It's a good deal for us. As the as the highest per capita carbon dioxide emitters on the planet, the Kyoto Protocol lets us remain the highest.

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Lyn Beinat
September 29th, 2006

Some on this blog have asked... what have you done? This was indeed the question that my 11 year old son (Michael) asked of his parents when he saw An Inconvenient Truth last week. Mike then got the opportunity to met John Howard this week at a semi-rural Victorian meet-and-greet. At the end of the visit, Michael got the opportunity to ask why Australia had not signed the Kyoto protocol. Mr. Howard replied with his standard ‘economy before environment’ speech, but didn’t pause to engage in any dialogue and abruptly left before Michael could give him the $20 he had taken from his pocket money so Mr. Howard could buy a ticket to ‘An Inconvenient Truth’. Seeing the distress on Michael’s face, one of Mr. Howard’s staffers came over to see what the problem was. Michael explained what he wanted to do and gave the money to the staffer. Michael is now following up on his investment in his own future to see if Mr. Howard has seen the documentary.



For the record, our family has reduced our home’s greenhouse gas emissions by 80% by retrofitting our home to be energy efficient, (which has now become our business www.ecoMaster.com.au) installed solar hot water, are 100% water self-reliant, do not use a garbage service and recycle about 80% of our waste, we grow some of our food (and are increasing that to be as self-reliant as possible). Our son’s response… ‘You are very wise’.

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Sylvia Else
September 29th, 2006

Looks like I have to play devil's advocate, as usual.



The problems with trying to address Australia's power needs with solar panels are two fold (at least). The suggested 25 sq km solar panel array would produce about 2.5 gigawatts in bright sunshine. This is only about one third of the average load in NSW. Maybe the academic was thinking of the incident power rather than the collectable power. Solar cells are not that efficient. Of course, the array would provide the power only in bright sunshine. It would produce less in cloudy days, none at all at night, and storing energy even over short periods is expensive.



More problematic, is the energy required to build such an array would equal its total energy output over a period of two to three years. Since we do not have spare capacity on that scale, the array could only be built slowly. To avoid CO2 consequences of the energy required to build it, we'd have to use the energy produced by the part of the array already installed to build new parts of the array. This means we could only double the size of the array each two or three years, and while the array was being built, it would be providing no surplus energy to reduce CO2 emissions elsewhere.



So with solar arrays, we're caught between a rock and a hard place. Either their construction represents a very significant contribution to the CO2 emissions for some years initially, assuming we can even find the required energy, or it takes a very long time (decades) before they provide any benefit. That may be more time than we have.



Approaches like wind farms are limited by the number of suitable places to put them. They also do not produce power are a fixed rate. Their output varies with the wind strength. As discussed before, storing energy is problematic.



We can only build new hydro-electric power stations if there are places to put them that are not unreasonably far from the places where the power needs to be consumed.



There is one approach to addressing CO2 emissions that is known to work, and at a reasonable cost. Nuclear. For all the concerns (real and perceived) with nuclear power, we may well have no choice. The problem we have now needs to be solved now. The problems the solution may create in the future can be addressed then. Refusing to implement the workable solution to the problem we have now could mean that we won't have a future in which the future problems could exist.

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David S Brooks
September 29th, 2006

Fascinating words, full of emotion and good will.

But where is the evidence that "Global Warming" is man made? We have lots of cant but far too few facts

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David Bruce-Steer
September 29th, 2006

I am a little disappointed with the wording of the campaign.



"I want my government to take sweeping action to dramatically cut greenhouse pollution, shift to clean energy and solve the climate crisis now."



This means nothing, the Government is doing this now. (see the post by Lily)



May I suggest a specific campaign like



1 Equitable increase in Water costs

2 More water down our rivers

3 Mandatory 10% ethanol in petrol



These are just a few, my point is that you need a specific campaign to get the Government to do something


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Gregory John Olsen
September 29th, 2006

Sydney City Council and Marrickville Council both passed motions similar to Waverley's opposing Anvil Hill and coal and calling for renewable energy targets. See attached.

* The Hunter Valley Thoroughbred Horse Breeders Association has made a submission opposing Anvil Hill and calling for an inquiry into the expansion of coal mining. See attached;

* The Upper Hunter Winemakers Association is writing a submission opposing Anvil Hill, which will talk about the threat of climate change to their industry. I'll forward it when I get it.



Here is a copy of the motion passed by Marrickville Council recently:



1. Expresses its opposition to the development of new coal mines in the Hunter Valley, in particular at Anvil Hill.

2. Expresses its grave concern at any national or international expansion in coal fired power station energy production.

3. Calls on the Federal and NSW Government to introduce significant mandatory renewable energy targets which would lead to reduced greenhouse gas emissions and the creation of many more new jobs.

4. Requests that the Mayor writes to the NSW Minister for Planning, urging him to reject the application for a new coal mine at Anvil Hill

5. Calls on the Federal Government to ratify the Kyoto Agreement forthwith.

6. Calls on State Government to build a more efficient public transport system to reduce car dependency and the provision of safer, more efficiently networked cycling routes.

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ROSE DIAMOND
September 29th, 2006

Do it, do it now! Don't wait before it's too late!



I can already see the changes global warming is having on Tasmania...the summers are getting hotter, the winters are getting warmer and spring blooms are arriving earlier. This in addition to little rain over the last few years indicates that something is not right.



Still, Gunns Pty Ltd is still trying to make the Tamar Valley the site for its next dirty pulp mill and cause even more environmental destruction by utlising water resources which are already scarce to futher pollute this pristine state.



The city of Launceston says no to a pulp mill evidenced by our recent protest march in which 10,000 people attended. The mill will make a few rich in the short term (including the government) and leave the rest of us with a long term environmental disaster causing illness and disease to its citizens.



Stand up and be counted! Power to the people! Governments take notice of what WE want! A better world and a safe planet.



Sanny

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Madeleine Leahy
September 29th, 2006

Wow what a response! It is so heartening to hear all these great ideas and enthusiasm for a debate which so often ends in a frustrated shrug of helplessness or reduces people to accusations of Hippiedom and Greedy Pig.



The mix of contributors in this forum is a great thing and for me is the mark of any powerful movement. By keeping debates like this open and inclusive, we get to hear a very diverse range of ideas, strategies, opinions and insight into ways in which to move forward. Keep it up! Nurture it! Dont shut it down into closed umbrella terms that lose their ability to connect with everyone.



Although Joseph Parkes I'm not fully convinced (yet!) that anarchy is the way to go, I agree that the "mugsly and dingbat" system is a dinosaur. Extinct! Not what I want for life on this planet.



Clinging to the hope that I'm a human with a voice - not just a dollar, or that our leaders can scrape together half a brain, let alone a courageous decision between them can be a frustrating business of dead ends, despair and loneliness....



But stuff em. We got our own democracy right here guys, and it makes more sense in a couple o' days than Howards entire Prime-Minister Ship H.M.A.S. Rusting Paddock Bomb.



Go Get UP!




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Asa
September 29th, 2006

The climate is always changing. You can't control it.



To melt ALL of the ice would take THOUSANDS of years even in the worst case scenario and would result in 70m sea level rise. Populations will adapt and populate the newly habitable areas, as they have done for millennia.



Check it out.

http://tinyurl.com/qone7



Kyoto merely provides for heavily emitting industries to relocate to the third world. It's a joke.

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martin naylor
September 29th, 2006

About god damn time this should have been the first campaign and ongoing,

THESE EVIL LYING LOWLIFES NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE STAND

WE ARE WATCHING THEM

THE GLOVES ARE NOW OFF

Mr BIG WATCH OUT BEFORE I LOOSE MY COOL

BIUSSNESS MEN DRINK MY WINE PROUD MEN DIG MY EARTH THERE ARE MANY HERE ALONG THE LINE WHO KNOW NOT WHAT ANY OF IT IS WORTH



AND DON'T GIVE ME THIS CRAP THAT WE DON'T NO WHAT TO DO ALL IT REQUIRES IS ACTION

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Caitlin Street
September 29th, 2006

Thanks everyone assisting.



The following rant is authorised by me.



I support the reclaimation of democracy from the parties. They do not represent their electorates.



Here in Tasmania, our pollies are pushing a pulp mill that will use 25 billon litres of fresh water a year. That's more than all of Tassie uses now. All to pulp our carbon sequestering forrests!!!



Kyoto doesn't value existing forrest, so they can pulp existing forrest, plant trees on productive agricultural land and claim carbon credits!!



With regard to alternative energies, I recall that the introduction of Petrol Parity Pricing was claimed by the Fraser Government to provide money for investment in alternative energy research. Imagine where Australia would be had the 'snouts in the trough' stood by their word!



Caitlin

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Barry Earsman
September 29th, 2006

Great campaign.



A shame I can't see how many have signed up, or see the updated map without being asked to add myself again.

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Sylvia Else
September 29th, 2006

David Brooks



CO2 levels in the atmosphere have risen. Man puts a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere. The physics of CO2 indicates that it will trap heat. Temperatures are rising.



It's not smoking gun evidence that man is the cause, but absent a spare planet with which to do experiments, and the time in which to do them, it would be rash to insist on proof beyond reasonable doubt before taking action.



If a truck is running down the street towards you, are you going to hold your position unless I can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the truck will kill you if you don't move?

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a b
September 29th, 2006

Hi



Good to see debate ongoing. Before we demand action we should understand the full costs, Australians will always vote with their hip pocket.



Andrew

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Laura Giltrap
September 29th, 2006

Movement is in the Air.



Movies like 'An Inconvenient Truth' help, but more I think is the fact that people are really beginning to experience the effects of climate change now - melting ice-caps, lower snow fall, more bushfires happening earlier.



However, what is needed is real cultural change. A change in the way we live our lives. I feel like everyone i know is aware of climate change, and making changes in their lives to try and reduce their global footprint. However, most of the people i know are well educated middle class inner city dwellers. What about everyone else? For a lot of people theri attempts to change appear to be part of their identity signifiers - they buy organic food and wear hemp or op-shop clothes and funky accessories made from recycled materials. These people don't need to be convinced about the need for change, and yet many of them struggle to make the bigger changes of taking public transport or walking, of recycling water (or just using less) of taking their own cup to the coffee shop (instead of taking away a paper one).



I think a great initiative would be to have programs educating people from lower-socioeconimc areas on how being green is cheaper. On how growing food is cheaper than buying processed food. On how using less water (and purchasing new shower heads or other water saving devices) can save a lot of money over the year, the same with turining off TVs, computers at the wall instead of leaving them on standby.



But, the GetUp initiative is a fantastic start!! Tell everyone.

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Nigel Drake
September 29th, 2006

Until we, as individuals, accept that it is we, as individuals, who are directly responsible for what happens on and to this planet of ours, there is little hope for human survival in the long term.

We need to accept that the 'survival' instincts which made us so successful as primitive primates are those which will, eventually, lead to our own extinction as a species.

We cannot continue to increase our population numbers.

We cannot continue to evaluate quality of life simply in terms of economic growth.

We cannot continue in our egocentric ways of thinking and acting disregarding the consequences of our behaviour as "inconvenient truths". (Al Gore did not invent that phrase!)

We cannot continue in our wasteful, primitive, ways of social interaction; unceasingly vieing with each other for wealth, power and status.

We cannot continue to decieve ourselves that material gain equates with success and happiness.

We need to stop being a nation of arrogant, adverserial, egoistic wasters.

Starting at both ends and the middle.

Only then can we begin to hope for improvement in the welfare of the planet.

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Peter Fell
September 29th, 2006

The popular media is finally getting the message on climate change with Channel 7's Sunrise program running a segment on how the Federal Government is addressing[sic] this issue. Give all the support you can - get it on the radar. Write, email the Sunrise program with support and information. If the producers see enough interest they'll run with it and perhaps then the general public will wake up and take notice. No mention was made of GW in the Qld State election a couple of weeks ago despite the worst drought on record in Brisbane so let's raise its profile: http://seven.com.au/sunrise/contact

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Henric Beiers
September 29th, 2006

I whole-heartedly support the campaign. We have to reduce our CO2 emissions if we are going to continue to live on this planet. I am one of those that ticked this issue as most important in the GetUp survey.



However the longer term aim has to be to reduce the number of people who are draining this planet's resources. We cannot continue to think that 6, 8, 10 billion people is a viable population level. Much as I dislike the manner of its implementation, the Chinese have the right idea with their one child policy.



Both economically, and with regard to population, we have to move away from the concept of growth as an ideal, and towards an ideal of reduction. Reduce population, reduce energy use, reduce consumption. Overall we have to drastically reduce our impact on the planet. We cannot do this and continue to grow both our population and 'standard of living'.



The debate over solar vs wind vs hydro vs tidal vs nuclear is only arguing over a short term solution. Certainly we have to solve this problem, and do it quickly if we are going to have any future at all. However it doesnt matter what solution we use in the long term if our population continues to grow. We cannot provide solar panels or wind turbines, or reservoirs or tidal barriers or nuclear power plants for 10 billion people to live at the levels of consumption at which we currently live and expect the planet to survive.



The long term solution, once we have moved away from our dependence on fossil fuel, has to be a drastic cut in the human population of the planet.

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Paul Dyson
September 29th, 2006

When you sign you get to see the map.



How do you come back and see the map again once you've left it? I want to see how it's progressing and I can't find it.





The nature of an organisation like GetUp is that it is torn between making strong statements on the one hand and getting huge numbers on the other. 'The stronger the statement, the fewer people will sign it' is the logic.



However, I suggest that GetUp have more faith in people and be stronger with the demands on the government about CO2 emissions.

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Grace McCaughey
September 29th, 2006

WEF Report in Melbourne Age Thursady 28th Sept., states that Australia is not good at taking up high technology, among other failures like poor education and health systems.

May I suggest one such high tech invention--the Pritchard S5000 stationery steam generator, capable of powering one large house with all mod cons. or several small homes or a whole village in developing countries. It took several years for someone to finally take up the idea and the first prototype will be completed by January 2007.



A wonderful idea, especially as the next prototypes may be solar powered--NIL emissions. Won't it be lovely to be shot of centralised dirty power generation, and producing no greenhouse gases?

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Dr. Ronald Chin
September 29th, 2006

Hey guys,



www.climatecrisis.net



For those of you who are time poor but stil want to do something.


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Steve
September 29th, 2006

Think globally and act locally.

While I applaud Get Up for lobbying the government on this issue I also think that people should be doing more to cut emissions as a part of their own lifestyles.

Start car-pooling, get a composter and stop buying fertiliser, make your kids catch the bus and try catching it yourself.

The government has not been a lone hand in this problem, it is individuals and our society based on instant gratification that are equally to balme.

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A Doherty
September 29th, 2006

To those quoting a 25 sq. Km of solar panels to satisfy Australia's energy needs, I'm sure the scientist said it would take an area 50 Km x 50Km. Certainly that would provide all Australia's stationary needs.

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Bob
September 29th, 2006

"When you sign you get to see the map.



How do you come back and see the map again once you've left it? I want to see how it's progressing and I can't find it."



Same for me - how do I keep up to date with the progress on this one?

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Catherine Walsh
September 30th, 2006

Thomas KK, I do not expect the Greens to win the next election. My point is that if 130,000 people become members of the Greens, we would be sending a message to the two major parties in a language they understand. They would then take green issues seriously.



Meanwhile we all try to live simply and influence those in our sphere, which takes courage. It's confronting to question whether you are living according to your values.



Documentary films are proving successful at raising awareness. We now need a film that traces the lifespan of everyday things we use, showing that everything comes from somewhere and goes somewhere (see the US book Stuff: The Secret Lives of Everyday Things) asking us to question whether our use of it justifies the resources used and pollution created. I'm thinking petrol, electricity, water, packaged food, plastic straws, things made of rubber, glass, wood, mobile phones, plastic toys, the things you see people throw in the bin and the things you see on the street for curbside cleanup. Where are they from and where do they go? We need to be conscious that human use of these things is a tiny part of their lifespans. Never in the history of the world have so many felt so entitled to be so wasteful. Perhaps we can afford it, but the planet can't.



Catherine

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Elizabeth Murray
September 30th, 2006

It would be great if we could get detailed maps of the East Coast of Australia indicating the effect of sea level rises of 1 metre, 2 metre etc. Then people who will be effected will take notice. A lot of rich real estate is here but the councils are very tight lipped at the moment so agents and developers can get away with ripping people off.

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Michael whaites
September 30th, 2006

yes looking for my dot in WA,.....its a big state and im a little person but I joined up three days ago and from a look at the map it seems they are no West Australians concerned about this issue at all, which is wrong.

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Mary Jenkins
September 30th, 2006

People Power by acting local and thinking global



Anglican Church in the Perth Synod October 6,7,8 proposes a new Bill known as the Anglican EcoCare Statute 2006. I am putting a motion to add to the Bill that The Church becomes a MEMBER OF THE CONSERVATION COUNCIL OF WA and That they sign the Koyota agreement on behalf of the Anglican people of the Perth Diocese.

The city of Fremantle is also debating to sign Koyota.

Did I also hear that the State of Victoria was thinking of signing Koyota? Is this true?

Many US states are also taking a lead and signing Koyota.

.

There is no hope the States of WA or Queensland will sign Koyota while they both support COAL as an alternative energy and in fact both premiers announced investing $3m into the coal industry instead of investing in alternatives. Coal is a toxic product that has been responsible for so many illnesses and deaths since the 1900. I remember Aberfan in Wales where 119 children were killed in a coal landslide in 19 65. The coal industry did not take full responsibility even though they had been warned for many years that a disaster would happen. How many other mine disaster all over the world have killed workers?



Read Small is Beautiful by Dr E F Schumacher : A study of economics as if people mattered. Abacus 1974

Quote" All the indications are that the present structure of large scale industrial enterprise, in spite of heavy taxation and an endless proliferation of legislation, is not conducive to the public welfare. " page 245

Mary Jenkins



secretary Stop Mai WA also AFTINET affiliation.




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Elle Wood
September 30th, 2006

Hi everyone,



To all those trying to 'get back to the map', you can find it here:



http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/climateactionmap



The map will be developed further with new functionality and features over the coming week to make our message even stronger!

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Rajid Alena
September 30th, 2006

I just had a look at the climacte action map - we are bloody all over the map! Congratulations to GetUp!!



This is the best campaing you guys have run yet. I knew GetUp had national reach, but when I look at all those dots, I realise that this movement is unstoppable!!



Now its time to get all friends, families and colleagues on board. We are facting a global crisis. Lets not stop anything short of a Australian wide response - that means me, you, them, us, government, business, media, churches, NGOs. I dont know about you, but I want to see the whole map orange.






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malcolm mckelvie
September 30th, 2006

A question to Sylvia Else:

why have you failed to discuss the energy needed to build the nuclear power infrastructure? Is it considerably less than the solar option? What of the huge convection towers that would provide solar/wind power 24 hrs a day ? I think you are thinking too narrowly.

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andrea merrigan
October 1st, 2006

I am so sick of decisions being made upon economic grounds without looking at the bigger costs..human, environmental, global...in other words the cost to life .



it seems lo me that in this as in other issues we (the general public) put the short term gains ahead of the long term ones...i think we have to change that..look big picture and choose far more wisely...



What we need are political leaders who are prepar d also to do this...risk initial unpopularity and talk and act wisely..for heavens and for earths sake!!

Andy

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Peter Yates
October 1st, 2006

By the end of this campaign, there will be a million dots if there is a hundred. This is not just a political movement: the potential is far greater: following on from Mitchell (28/9), why can we not come together, put our money where our hearts are and create a company to finance and build one of these reflected solar generation installations? If a million people put up $100-1000 it could be done, and everyone would sit up and take notice!

If your government won't lead, you must lead your government.

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Stephen Black
October 2nd, 2006

Thank you for listening GetUp. It appears everyone has something to say on this issue as it does touch us all. We are scared of the concequences, and even scared of the solutions.



The getup presentation is clean, clear and effective. It shows we are all demading more leadership.



It is obvious we must get off Coal and Oil, immediately, neuclear may be in the mix at some point but now it is up to you and me to dramatically turn off the burn.



A very USA style solution is stopglobalwarming.org but it does have an approachable calculator that i recomend to you average consumer.

And I pledge now to by renewable energy.



Thanks again GU

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Richard Ure
October 2nd, 2006

"Since 1982, the Thames Barrier has protected the city from the threat of flooding, but it was only designed to last until 2030 and close once every two or three years. Nearly 25 years later, the barrier now closes five or six times a year and according to Environment Agency predictions, by 2050 the barrier will be closed on almost every tide if the problem is not addressed."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_world/4989790.stm

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Kate Richards
October 2nd, 2006

For those interested in reading about a long running initiative to supply renewable energy globably please visit the Global Energy Network Institute site at



http://www.geni.org



''How can we make the world work for 100% of humanity in the shortest possible time through spontaneous cooperation without ecological damage or disadvantage to anyone''

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Christina Macpherson
October 2nd, 2006

The Get Up presentation and map are a brilliant idea, and deserve applause!

For too long, the mainstream media has been imbued with a "she'll be right, mate" philosophy. Now the mainstream is being bypassed through GetUp and similar initiatives. Awareness of the need for government action on climate chnage is spreading at an awesome pace. We must also oppose the mainstream hype on nuclear power - Christina Macpherson www.antinuclear.net

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Elke Kerr
October 2nd, 2006

This map is the best thing ever! Its great to see that all over this country, even in the tiniest of towns people have passion and energy for the things that really matter! I was beginning to think Australia had lost its soul. Im glad I was wrong!

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Benny Zable
October 2nd, 2006

Hey !

Australians are the biggests energy wasters on this planet per capita.

What is needed is a grassroots initiative to cut down wastage instead of building a nuclear industry because we have this climate crisis predictions.

More actions to stop coal mines being built.

Actions to stop the mining of uranium.

Vote Green at statet and federal elections.

Save whats left of our forests,

Put climate criminals Barrick Gold mining company on trial.

See you all at the Aboriginal Tent Embassy on 26th January.


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Jennifer Sanger
October 3rd, 2006

To all you skeptics out there.....



I find it impossible to believe that some of you still think global warming is a hoax. Think critically about what your being told! The evidence is all around us!



But no matter what we do there will always be people out there that deny global warming. So I ask you this.... What do we have to lose by acting to reduce greenhouse emissions? NOTHING! we will be making a cleaner atmosphere, helping to protect natural ecosystems, moving away from the use of non-renewable resources like oil to more cleaner sustainable products- all of this would improve human and environmental health. the benifits are endless.

So if global warming is a hoax, we still benefit if we act on it, and if it is true (which it is) we have done all we possibly can to reverse the damage. THE TIME TO ACT IS NOW!!!!!


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Adrian Spinelli
October 3rd, 2006

Thankyou GetUp for taking on this issue.



As a 17 year old, global warming has always been a concern of mine ever since I heard the words and then researched what it was all about 7 years ago.



Right now I have serious concerns about what our future will be like. I have even wondered if having children of my own would be a good idea or not. Of course I'd love to have kids, but would I want them to grown up to be in their 30s and be dealing with the effects of global warming? Probably not.



We all need to stand up and make sure our politicians know that we are all concerned and that something needs to be done. Doing the little they do now is not good enough for me and nor should it be good enough for you.

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October 3rd, 2006

The Canberra Times ran a story this morning entitled

EXCLUSIVE Australia to lose ANU solar breakthrough



Here is the link.



http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/home.asp.



I hope you might read this article and if it makes you feel the way I do I invite you to ask GetUP to lobby the Federal Government react quickly to fund this reseach work and stop our valuable ideas being sold off overseas for a pittance.



Peter Dyce

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Gary Flood
October 3rd, 2006

Hi all GO TO



www.ecosaver.com.au



this is a fantastic concept which I humbled developed to save this economically driven world from its crazy disaster driven human race.

The web site is still in pilot construction mode but I have had fantastic response.

my regards to you all

Gary Flood of the "savewater! alliance"

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Brianna
October 3rd, 2006



Our Common Cause: For a nuclear-free future!

Led by PM John Howard, a growing chorus of Coalition politicians are urging a turn to nuclear power as the ''solution’‘ to greenhouse-gas driven climate change. They are attempting to force open the door to more uranium mining and nuclear power production in Australia.

Climate change is one of the biggest threats to the survival of humanity and the planet, but the nuclear ''cure’‘ would be as bad as the disease.

The renewed push for nuclear power in Australia is being driven by corporate greed — by the huge mining companies’ search for ever greater profits. Australia has 30% of the world’s proven uranium ore reserves. With the global demand for uranium increasing, the market price for uranium has tripled in the last two years.

Between 1981-96, Australia exported an average of 3400 tonnes of uranium oxide concentrates per year. In 2004-05, this increased to 11,215 tonnes. This earned the mining companies $475 million.

The ALP must oppose the nuclear push.

Labor’s current policy recognises that uranium mining presents “unprecedented hazards and risks” and advocates no new uranium mines. But the pressure is building on Labor to change its policy at its 2007 national conference, and a growing number of ALP leaders are indicating that they are happy to do the mining corporations’ bidding.

We call on all ALP members to ensure that their party does not capitulate to the mining corporations’ greed, and to demand that Labor close the door forever on uranium mining and nuclear power in Australia.

Uranium mining and nuclear power can be stopped — we’ve done it before. The only serious proposal to build a nuclear power plant in Australia — at Jervis Bay in NSW in the late 1960s — was defeated by public and political opposition. In the late 1990s, the proposed development of Jabiluka uranium mine in the Northern Territory was halted by a concerted national and international campaign.

The Socialist Alliance is campaigning for a nuclear-free future and real solutions to climate change, including:

· No nuclear power plants.

· No new nuclear reactors and the immediate closure of the HIFAR reactor.

· Closure of the Ranger, Roxby Downs and Beverley uranium mines, and no new mines.

· No dumping of nuclear waste: waste producers must manage their own waste in secure, monitored facilities at their own expense.

· No new coal-fired power stations.

· More investment in clean, safe technologies and renewable energy infrastructure.

· Establishment of an industry-funded 10% renewable energy target by 2010.

· Full public ownership of all energy/electricity industries.

[For the full text of this statement, visit .]



From Green Left Weekly, May 31, 2006.

Visit the Green Left Weekly home page.

www.greenleft.org.au


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Margaret Hinchey
October 3rd, 2006

Life and our children's futures are too precious to be left in the hands of visionless politicians. It is up to ordinary citizens to take the lead and shame our politicians into acting. Thank you GetUp for your initiatives.

Margaret Hinchey

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Patrick Tracy
October 3rd, 2006

Al Gore's film 'An Inconvenient Truth' should be mandatory viewing for everybody! Show it in schools, have on TV every week, because its message must get through! We have the power to change governments, and the sooner we vote for climate change action, the sooner politicians of the major parties will get serious about it!

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Patrick Tracy
October 3rd, 2006

I've just read all the blogs, and people have recommended some great sites and books. I want to add the books 'Confessions of an Economic Hitman' by John Perkins, and 'The Secret River' by Kate Grenville. After reading these you realise capitalism unnecessarily thrives on greed, and this must change for humanity to prosper without destroying the Earth. This is possible if we all believe we can make a difference by taking action to let those in power know how we feel. Spread the word! Get Up before it's too late!

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Rimian Perkins
October 3rd, 2006

If you are really serious then buy yourself some carbon credits and put your money where your mouth is. i offset my output by one tonne per month. it will get you much further than blogging...

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Luke Challis
October 3rd, 2006

A previous poster refered to a catalyst story (RE: Solar power and what it would take to convert Australia's energy consumption from coal to solar).



He incorrectly quoted 20km squared to power Australia with solar power today. In fact, this transcript shows http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1698520.htm that technology could see Australia powered entirely by solar power with a 50x50km solar generation power plant by 2020. However... this would require Government and Industry getting behind renewable energy today in order for it to be viable in the future.

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Paul Douglas Christie
October 4th, 2006

Well. there is lots of talk and lots of action. here is my take on the strategy.

1. we have to be ruthless in our pursuit of exposing vested interest.

2. we have to be vigilant in targeting the politicians that are obvious enemies.

3. we must be focussed on only a few angles in the campaign at the one time.

4. we must not put the blame on the politiicians for their lack of will and accept our own failure to ignite public opinion. blame the corporate media

5. we must stop focussing on the scare campaign and address the community wealth that will be generated locally as well as globally when we make the serious change to a resource sustainable economy that is creatively grown. Art, music, thaetre, spirituality, education and health as well as the environment will benefit.

6. we must infliltrate and use the corporate media as best we can as Chomosky talks about manufactured consent this is a real thing.

7. Bottom line is that it is about the bottom line. not the economic one but the social one. If we continue down the current consumoption driven path it will lead to greater division of wealth and an increase in hardship for those of us who dont have millions.



there is more of us than them. i know it sucks to make an us or them thing out of it but until they choose to focus their energy on how to benefit the commuity rather than just themselves then they are my enemy. Ignorance is no excuse and fear is no reason.

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Howard Patrick
October 4th, 2006

Most people are well that the Howard Government has had little, if any ,genuine interest in addressing climate change.



This has again been demonstrated by Origin Energy advising the advanced photovoltaic technology developed by Andrew Blakers and others at the Australian National University will, in all probability, be produced Germany or the United States.



This is despite the fact that Origin Energy has finished building a $20 million pilot factory in Adelaide to produce these highly advanced PV collectors.



The problem is that it is unclear if an adequate market will exist for the product in Australia. Elsewhere governments are taking the initiative and getting behind technology such as this.



One would hope the Australian Government might see the merit in devising a scheme whereby this "SLIVER" technology which promises to markedly reduced the cost of solar energy can be produced in Adelaide and installed around the nation.



Perhaps GetUp might consider taking this specific issue up with the Prime Minister.



While only a small part of a much bigger issue it serves to highlight the way our nations politicians, in both the ALP and the Coalition, are ignoring the concerns of voters.






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hannah morgan
October 4th, 2006



hey this is a great campaign.....

I hope that we can get Australia 100% orange!!!!!!!!......tell everyone!

hannah.

If your a young person and want to act now ! go to :

www.actnow.com.au

act now makes it easy to act.

hannah.....

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Pat Mepham
October 4th, 2006

Wednesday 4 October 2006



Governments might like to take note of the program, "Insight" on SBS last night, the subject of which was the current zero birth rate in many Asian and European countries. Of major concern to Governments is the negative impact which low numbers of future workers will have on their economies. Many of us will have other more valid reasons for concern. The point made was, that there is a monumental global shift in consciousness causing people to withdraw from bringing children into a world where the perceived future for their unborn children is so horrific. We have reached the stage now, where as a species we are refusing to replicate ourselves. And with good reason. Its not about the baby bonus, or paid maternity leave. Governments please note! Its about recreating a planet where our unborn can survive. There is no chance of that if we go on as we are.

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Liv Thwaites
October 5th, 2006

Thank you for listening get up! Your idea about the map is wonderful - I had a ball looking at it and seeing how many people have stood up for this worthy cause - Keep up the brilliant work.

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Craig Lawton
October 5th, 2006

A year out from the 2007 election, should Getup consider running a public campaign based solely on Climate Change policy by:



Gathering volunteers for the 2007 election campaign based on gathering support for the parties with the best climate change credentials (including election day campaigning). A year out, the aim should be to get it on the "agenda".



I'd be involved. Better than being a bystander blogger.



And GetUp seems like a good vehicle for this sort of action.

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Dawn Lorraine Jecks
October 5th, 2006

Check out the climate change credentials of the Greens, very impressive and they are ready to go. We just need more of them in the parliament so that they can make sure the two major parties do what needs to be done. The Greens have been banging on about renewables for years but not many people were listening. I just hope people are listening now and that they use their vote to send a message to the two major parties by voting 1 Greens in next years federal election. The Greens won't be governing the country any time soon but they can make a massive difference at a time when we need them most. People power is needed to fight climate change and we can do this by voting Greens 1.

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Richard Ure
October 6th, 2006

Kids are getting the message even if the leaders aren't. Check this audio visual file.



http://tinyurl.com/nh3tn



These leaders could be urged to re-visit policies which subsidise the consumption of oil through tax breaks designed to protect the car industry.

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Adrienne Carlson
October 6th, 2006

On Tuesday night I saw Al Gore's "Un Inconvenient Truth", on Wednesday I wrote the following to my local Federal member of Parliament - Malcolm Turnbull. I urge you all to write to your local member so that they understand this is a critical issue for voters.

Dear Malcolm

I refer to the article "The Malcolm X Factor" in last Saturday's Sydney Morning Herald.

I noted with particular interest that you had driven your daughter's new Toyota Prius and were excited by the hybrid technology.

With your water portfolio, I assume you are taking a broader view than just a consideration of the water issue in isolation. Of course our problems with water are complex and are linked to, among other things, climate change. Which brings me back to the subject of hybrid cars.

As you are well aware, the advantages of hybrid cars over conventional cars are extraordinary when it comes to cutting green house gases and other emissions. How then can your Government promote the environmentally-irresponsible policy of rebates for LPG car conversions? I draw your attention to the Government's own Greenhouse Office (AGO) data about the emissions from LPG cars from the report, "Life-Cycle Emissions Analysis of Fuels for Light Vehicles" accessible at http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/publications/lightvehicles.html, especially Figure ES.1 - Exbodied greenhouse emissions from family-sized vehicles. Given that LPG cars emit on marginally less green house emissions than unleaded petrol vehicles, and about twice the emissions of hybrid cars, why is the government wasting tax-payer dollars encouraging people to convert their cars to LPG? It is clearly environmentally irresponsible to do so. Furthermore encouraging people to drive their LPG cars more by giving tax-breaks for LPG is in itself environmentally irresponsible. I saw the one advantage about rising petrol prices being that more people were taking public transport and using their cars less, but this policy sends out the opposite message.

If the Government is so concerned about voter backlash regarding petrol prices, then it should look to using a rebate system more responsibly. Even in the United States rebates are available - and have been for a number of years - for the purchase of hybrid cars. Several websites setting out the various government initiatives regarding hybrid cars can be seen at http://www.hybridcars.com/environment.html and http://www.hybrid-car.org/hybrid-car-tax-break.html

Driving into Sydney from elsewhere, one cannot ignore the smog haze under which we all live. As one of your constituents, I urge you to discuss this issue urgently with the relevant Government entities and produce a far-sighted policy on vehicular transport, which will cut pollution and greenhouse emissions, and promote new smarter technology, instead of outdated and downright dangerous technology from the past.

Yours sincerely

Adrienne Carlson

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Denis Frith
October 6th, 2006

I believe the objective of GetUp is admirable and is worthy of widespread support. However, the blog starts with ‘Why global warming is our number one priority



It’s simple. We need to eliminate millions of tonnes of heat-trapping carbon dioxide from the thin and vulnerable layer of our earth’s atmosphere. We have the technology today to do this. What we lack is the political will.

The world’s scientists agree we need deep cuts in carbon emissions of at least 60 per cent by 2050 to avoid what our Prime Minister has dismissed as the “gloomy predictions”. ‘

That statement is misleading because it is wrong. It shows lack of understanding of what the climatologists have been saying. This misunderstanding comes about largely due to the terminology used.

‘carbon emissions’ is the amount of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere each year by burning fossil fuels.

That annual emission is increasing the concentration level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The pre-industrial level was 280 parts per million (ppm). It is now 380 ppm and increasing at the rate of over 2 ppm per year. The recommended 60 per cent reduction in emissions would reduce that 2 ppm per year down to about 1 ppm per year.

The reality is that global warming is under way because of the fossil fuels that have been burnt. The atmosphere has already warmed up about 1 degree C. Reducing emissions will only slow down the rising global temperature.

We have no mechanism to ‘eliminate millions of tonnes of heat-trapping carbon dioxide’. That is not possible. We certainly do not have the technology to do this. All the political will in the world cannot do this. Neither can people power. It is a simple biophysical reality that we cannot eliminate million of tonnes of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Planting a few million trees would help slightly if it not for the de-forestation that is occurring world wide.

It is clear that reducing fossil fuel burning is a sound policy for a variety of reasons. Many of them have been mentioned in the comments below. However, Australia currently emits only 1.6 per cent of the global amount. Consequently, any reductions in our rate of emissions with have a negligible effect on global warming, so climate change. It is the harsh reality that there is nothing we can do in this country to even slow climate change down appreciably. We should really be focusing on methods to adapt to climate change.






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Alan Taylor
October 6th, 2006

A petition to stop the removal of Solar Energy equipment rebates in Australia is currently accepting signatures at ( http://sunrisefamily.com.au/current/petition/index.php )



The federal government should stop looking no further than the next election !



Solar energy may not yet be the full solution but every panel installed counts as a reduction in fossil fuel power demand...



the federal governemt should be doing more not less to support green energy technologies.



Please Sign and pass this on...



While Channel Seven may not have the traditional credentials of an environmental/activist group their exposure and coporate position allows them to promote such issues to the wider public and create more pressure and should be supported.

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Nyree Wilson
October 8th, 2006

Ahh Denis, you are participating in the political rhetoric we have been hearing for too long. Semantics provide no solutions or closure to the arguments and concerns this campaign is representing. Your suggestion that Australia's participation in carbon reductions serves no purpose indicates a very closed and localised view of a global problem. Despite the statistics, do you not consider Australia's example a significant one, you seem to suggest that the problem needs to be solved in someone else's backyard, should we not keep our own in order to encourage the neighbors to tend their veggie patch?? I personally feel that Australia is in the position to demonstrate the feasibility of sustainable resourcing. Perhaps you also ignore that the concerns expressed here are more widely focused on our present Government's apathy towards the environment. And while I in part agree that climate change is inevitable, focusing on sustainable energy resources is a crucial part of adapting to this change, I find it sadly surprising that you think any action as per the above discussions will be ineffective. I remain optimistic, if the baby boomer's and ensuing generations don't affect change, then I hope, freverently, that my son and his peers, now only babies, don't look back on their parents environmental regime and weep but send us thanks for putting in some ground work!!! Keep positive everyone, it is wonderful to see so much concern for a very real problem!

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Dennis Murray
October 9th, 2006

Dear Getup and supporters

THANKS SO MUCH FOR TAKING UP CLIMATE CHANGE AS THE MAJOR ISSUE FOR OUR SOCIETY.

However this will be a difficult campaign to have an impact on political debate.

Many options are being canvassed by contributors and I will add mine.

I think the GetUp organisation should aim to galvanise support and networking for a bunch of climate change independents to stand at next federal election.

Preferably these would be high profile individuals or be from the climate action groups that have sprung up in many areas.

To be successful these candidates would need:

+ lots of networking support

+ help from GetUp supporters in their area (ESSENTIAL!)

+ be highly informed on the debate and positive actions available to society

+ be scrupulously independent and swapping preferences with any other candidates MUST BE AVOIDED (simply leads to allegations of political subterfuge and being stooges of either major party)



I do hope this campaign translates into strong grass roots action.

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Annora Longhurst
October 9th, 2006

I'm encouraged by all of your thoughts. My concern over climate change increased many times when I began to realise the impact on water availability and food security.

Ultimately, eventually, democracy may work out that climate change has killed many people and cost a ridiculous amount of money - but will it be too late?

I feel that the government should do all that is necessary for the good of the people, the people who are, on the whole, not even sure if the greenhouse effect is real.

We have world recognised scientists working on weather in Australia and yet, it was only recently that John Howard has begun to express any sort of belief in the greenhouse effect.

To me, this is very depressing.

I would also like to point out that methane is four times more deadly than carbon dioxide, I encourage you to consider this in relation to soil degradation (methane is released here), sewerage and industrial feedlots for the production of meat (all produce methane).

Having said all this, at this stage, I have not done as much I can either... although we do ride and catch public transport regularly.

Best of luck with the campaign.

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Robyn Williams
October 9th, 2006

I am commenting on the wording of the petition (which I have signed because of its good intention), specifically "clean energy". Our government considers uranium to be clean energy and they use the word "clean" (meaning cleaner as in more efficient) to describe new coal technologies which include carbon sequestration yet to be tested. They use the word "clean" as it engenders "green" (as in "clean and green"). I imagine that to many people clean energy must be green energy (as in do no harm carbon-neutral renewable energy). The Government knows that its interpretaion of "clean" in no way equates to "green".

I acknowledge that GetUp did ask to "dramatically cut greenhouse pollution" but have made no specific reference to vastly increasing renewable energy. By asking for "a shift to clean energy" with no clarification, I think you have left it open to a convenient interpretation. They will say that they are already making a shift to clean energy.

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Jim Thomson
October 9th, 2006

50 km sq solarr arrays are not the answer, it has been proven that centralised generation is the wrong path, the beuaty of solar power is that it can be installed directly where the demand is, on your roof!.

First you MUST reduce your demand, "reduce recycle"

Bio diesel implementation is seeing the destruction of rainforest for palm oil plantations in South Est Asia by burning right now!



Unfortunatly there is no magical silver bullet cure we must address all problems and search out all cures, if we as a nation do nothing, I know we are only a small percentage of the whole world, Hey perhaps I could use the same argument to the tax man?, but we can be world leaders in innovation and leading by example

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David Owen
October 10th, 2006

Having read everything here; these points.



No entity on Earth has the answer to the lethal problems we've created, especially not our institutions, so it has to be up to the combined thoughts, actions and resulting synergies between all of us as a citizenry to sort things out. Getup is a great start.



We desperately need a mass, non-greenhouse power source NOW and there's only one available; hate to say it but, for the time being, fission and then fusion. Also, what the heck's happened to the fuel cell?



Hydro, wind, solar - lovely concept but only a small part of the solution in reality. Bio fuels are bad news - we're farming too much land for food right now. Are we going to double that for fuel?



If our kids are to have a chance at acceptable lives we've got to get over our phobic fear of tiny risks in the face of otherwise certain disaster.



Then, having bought time, we have to sort out the fundamental problems of population and philosophy (currently read as growth-fixated consumption madness) so well expressed by Sylvia Else and Henric Beiers above.



James Lovelock's 'Revenge of Gaia' provides a blunt and persuasive reality check.

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shirley
October 11th, 2006

Our problem is that Departments of Environment refuse to place cappings on emissions from stack industries. Reductions in greenhouse gases by pollutant industries could be immediately reduced by imposing limits within a licence but this is how our politicians are exploiting the masses by allowing the gung ho approach to uncontrolled hazardous air emissions.



It's not only GH gases but all the carcinogenic hydrocarbons spewing over communities. Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, dioxins, VOC's etc - all contributing to the increase in cancers, asthma etc and often not even a requirement for polluters to report on these substances!



This is an abuse of public gullibility coupled with a maniacal obsession for profits! It's time all governments ceased sharing their beds with the big end of town. They should be protecting citizens not pollutant industries!

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Karyn Fearnside
October 14th, 2006

How can we get buildings to turn off their lights at night time? They all seem to have floors and floors of lights on. Isnt it a waste of electricity and CO2 to have the whole city blazing?

cheers

karyn

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David Mollet
October 15th, 2006

To everyone involved with Get Up, thanks for standing for an environmentally responible approach approach to life. It feels good to know you are out there!



I want to let you all know about a grass root movement that is contributing to accelerating the "great turning", ie a fundamental change in our cultural approach to living, it's called the "awakening the dreamer symposium" and I know many of you would be inspired to know about it.



Last year a non political grass roots movement 'The Pachamama Alliance' emerged in The US with the aim of accelerating the process of cultural change. It was initiated by a group of indigenous elders and shamans in the far reaches of the Amazon rainforest. Out of their deep concern for the growing threat to their ancient way of life, and their recognition that the roots of this threat lay far beyond the shrinking boundaries of their homelands, these indigenous people actively sought the partnership of committed individuals in the modern world to help "change the dream” of Western society.



This was a profoundly moving experience for the people involved and their response has been the development of a transformational, non political, experiential event called ‘The Awakening the Dreamer Symposium’.



The symposium is a one day event, a soul journey that has you reconnect with your deepest feelings about the earth and your relationship to it, yourself and every other living being on the planet. It explores the link between three of humanity's most critical concerns: environmental sustainability, social justice and spiritual fulfillment. The aim of the Symposium is not merely to learn more about the problem, but to grapple and come to grips with the very assumptions that underlie the way we see the world. People emerge with a greater understanding of what they can do — both individually and cooperatively — to move the world in a new direction. This is an empowering journey that deepens your sense of love and appreciation for life.



The people who cast the rock ,that makes the splash, that causes the ripple that brings about the great cultural change will be ordinary Australians like you and me. That is the ‘new dream’ the Symposium is standing for.



There will be two Symposiums in Australia this year



MELBOURE SAT 28th OCT and SYDNEY SAT 11th NOV

Please consider supporting this event. Leaders are flying in from OS to create this seeding event, the idea is that this will start the process in Australia, find new leaders here and then ripple out to engage ordinary Australians, empowering them to get in touch with how they feel about the environment and make positive change in their life.



There are introductions to the event scheduled in Melb and Sydney, go to www.awakeningthedreamer.org.au for a list, or email me daveat (replace at with @ symbol) melbournemuso.com. We hope to find and empower new leaders for environmental change through facilitating this event.

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Julian Grundy
October 15th, 2006

Well of course, what a lofty ideal. It will never happen under the Howard government.



Howard supports the US and China, both of which have huge carbon emissions and China is our biggest export market. We, in Australia have very little alternative to coal fired power stations; ironically one of which is on fire at the moment, due to bush fires.



Our leaders are way too conservative and backward, narrow thinkers to even contemplate this environmental turn around, let alone implement it.



Unfortunately, the Australian people are conservative too and tend not to support new ideas and visionary governments. This too is hampering efforts to effect climate change.



Even if we do all that we can, it is all for naught unless the whole World comes on board and in this regard the Kyoto convention is symbolic of a need to change, if nothing else.



Australia's shame is that it will not sign the Kyoto protocol which to my mind demonstrates our leaders reluctance to even show any serious concern for the situation.



I hope the ground swell of this campaign will make people realise just how bad our Federal Government is under Howard and they will be swept from office so resoundingly, never to return. Then and only then will any change to our carbon emissions be possible.



I just hope and pray that the Labour party will vote Kevin Rudd as their leader because I fear Kim Beazley is not up to the task of turning this country around. I believe Kevin Rudd to be a visionary and able to bring real lasting and beneficial change to this country, including the environment.

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Catherine Walsh
October 16th, 2006

I've been thinking about what makes a successful movement – the factors that contributed to the abolition of slavery and the women's rights movement, for example. In regards to global warming we are seeing academic studies, rallies and protests, public and private discussions and grass roots action. The part of the puzzle missing is imagining the future through storytelling.



We have films, books and TV which shows an apocalyptic, science fiction view of the future: what the world may be like if we don't change direction. We need to re-imagine the world having changed direction. A world where one would as much burn coal or petrol as burn diamonds. A world where taking your kids to McDonalds is a punishment. A world where we have downshifted en mass. Where no-one works more than 35 hrs a week. Where we have good public transport, health and education. Where factories making cars, plastics, toys, appliances, clothes, have closed down so we can use up what we already have. (Stop the world, we need to clean up.) Where we eat real food, locally grown. A world where sunscreen is free and playgrounds are shaded. Where carers attend jury duty and mothers can hold real power. Perhaps water and food is rationed. (The British population was healthier under rationing in WWII than we are now) We need films, books, stories, songs, plays, musicals and tv series to show us what is possible so that we can envision a sustainable future with clean air, clean water, and enough for everyone. Where consumerism is frowned upon and sustainability is the norm. And we can see that we become happier, healthier, less stressed and depressed, there is less cancer, infertility, obesity, diabetes etc. That living more simply can be fun.



We need creative artists to show us not just how bad life can be but how good life can be. A vision of life on earth if the Greens were in power or if the Wellbeing Manifesto became law or even if Sweden ruled the world or if aliens landed and saved Earth from self-destruction. (Surely if there are lifeforms on other planets, they would be laughing at us now) We need to visualise what life will be like if we do all we must to deal with climate change now. We need to be inspired that we are not just averting disaster, but moving towards something worthwhile.

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John Powell
October 16th, 2006

So much to "blog' about, but taking this whole issue down to an individual level, how many of the people listing their support here have taken it upon themselves to install rainwater tanks? How many of you shop carefully, rejecting goods imported from industrial disasters zones such as China? Petitioned your local members, state and federal, to support testing and introduction of small electric vehicles such as the REVA, due to be crushed without further appraisal (SMH 11 Oct 2006)? Refusing plastic bags at the checkout is NOT going to make any difference to the important issues which are still not being faced up to by ...practically all of us. And signing on to someone else's campaign is useless if it is not accompanied by SERIOUS action by each of us. How much power do you really waste each day? Sit up long after the daylight has faded burning electric light for your own convenience? Do you wind your alarm clock or do you plug it in? Why don't we rise with the first glimmer of daylight in order to retire when it gets dark. These are all the little things that we refuse to address, as it may be inconvenient, or may impact upon our comfort. Well guess what people... it's about to get a great deal more uncomfortable than you realise! Climate change has been a major issue since the 1970's, and any changes that you make TODAY are not going to prevent the disasterous effects that we are going to suffer in about 12 years from now. Anything YOU do, starting today, will help to lessen the long-term impact, but it's NOT up to the politicians or the organisers of campaigns such as this one to make those decisions for you. YOU must start right NOW by attending to all the little things within your own life, and you are the only one who can do this. Water tanks, composting (water-less)toilets, solar energy and reduction of electricity consumption, recycling systems for grey water, etc etc etc etc., You are the one person who can make these changes compulsory in YOUR life. You are the one person who can petition your local council, local member, etc, to have these matters addressed on a larger scale. I'm sure you all get the idea.

...And turn off all those unnecessary gadgets around your home with stupid little clocks in them that draw power all day long. inconvenient, isn't it?

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John Powell
October 16th, 2006

So, what would happen if everyone you know were to vote for the same party or candidate at the next (not far off) federal election? Might put the wind up a few members of our complacent political brotherhood.

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John Skevington
October 16th, 2006

The whole world must stop burning fossil fuels.

We need clean safe nuclear power, with all transport (private cars, trains, buses and industry (including mining and manufacturing) running on electricity.

To convert will be expensive, but without it, we are all doomed this cenury. We will all die from polution, starvation, and natural disasters.

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Marcus Goddefroy
October 17th, 2006

Hello all. what worries me most is that now John howerd is going for Clean green Nuclear power, safe and clean!!!?????

so that he is doeing some thing about the global warming. at the same time the super powers are not happy with North korea becomming a nuclear power. and what about the dirty boms that can be made from nuclear waste? for goodness sake keep it in the ground. we as people have to minimise our energy use, and it can be done if we are not lazy and make good choices. a book by Lynda Cockburn "living the goodlife" is where she explores by example, how to not wast and use what you have got to the max. it is a great read and very inspiring, there are lots of little things we can do to make a difference.

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Erin Nicholls
October 17th, 2006

There is a brilliant show in the UK called "No waste like home." In each episode a woman goes to a home where the occupants aren't good in certain areas like the amount of rubish they throw out, saving electricity, water, petrol etc. She shows them what to do to help save the planet and, after the 2 weeks she gives them the money in cash that they have saved. Sometimes it's a few hundred pounds. We need a show like that in Australia to educate people since more people watch TV than read info on the internet or in books and newspapers. People need to be shown that it doesn't take much to make a difference, and they can save hundreds or thousands of dollars in the process. We need to get the message out in every way we can.



Also, what ever happened to the big solar tower they were talking about building? How much longer do we have to wait for them to get building?

http://www.aie.org.au/pubs/enviromission.htm

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/13/1029113929640.html



Thank you GetUp!

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David Ward
October 17th, 2006

While I believe we need to be looking at alternate energy sources we must evaluate these alternates from teh cradle to the grave. The alternates must be economically vaible in their own right and not subsidised by Government. For example if we are proposing solar then we must look at how much energy is required to build the solar panels, from mining the raw materials, processing and constructing the solar panel. Then we need to look at the expected life and how much energy will be generated during the solar panels operating life. If more energy is required to build the solar panel than is generated then more greenhouse gases will be generated than if we were to use coal. We must look at the big picture if we want to address greenhouse gas emissions.



A similar approach needs to be taken for recylcing. If more energy is required to recycle a product, from collection to separation and reprocessing, than sourcing the raw material and processing then we should be asking ourselves why are we recycling this. Instead we should be asking why we need this product in the first place and is there an opportunity to use alternate materials, can we construct it such that it is reuseable or repairable.



I believe we all need to take steps to minimise our environmental footprint. Reduce packaging etc. Most people are not aware that almost everything around you conatins some oil derived product eg plastics,

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Patrick Forman
October 17th, 2006

Although it is undoubtedly important to try and influence the politicians to take action but until individuals make radical changes to our current profligate ways by eschewing airline travel, eschewing airconditioning, saying no to concrete, walking, riding and car sharing rather than driving then the politicians can smugly ingore us as they know that our talk is empty.

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Naveen
October 17th, 2006

Good one

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Michael White
October 18th, 2006

If anyone out there is reading all these posts and wondering what they can do to help out (apart from burying their heads in the sand!) Then COMPOSTING is something we can ALL do whether we rent or own. It seems impossible for young people like myself to be able to contribute because we don't own our homes and therefore have no control over the installation (or lack thereof) of items such as solar panels and rainwater tanks. But composting is a great start because it takes you back to grass roots and before you know it you'll be fit, know a lot about plants and ecosystems, and have a greatly expanded appreciation of mother nature.



I'm 26 and while my mates go and booze up at the pub my girlfriend and I think of and participate in activities which help the environment. Things like volunteer bush regeneration, bushwalking, composting and permiculture and planting trees in our parents yards!! It's a great way to start an active and rewarding sustainable lifestyle without turning into a 'tree hugger' so I thought I'd post this so those who are feeling a bit lost can have a start.



Don't even get me started on how fascinating earthworms are!! Gotta go, the blokes in white coats are coming!

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Marie Standen
October 18th, 2006

I agree that we must all make a contribution by changing our life style. Howevr, the truth must surely start to hit home to Australians this summer when the dams falll even lower. Australia should set an example to the devekoping world that we are serious about signining the Kyota Treaty and meeting our commitment.

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Craig
October 20th, 2006



I believe David is spot on. Yes, I am concerned with the impact of current methods for energy refinement and use, but just about every suggestion put forward as an alternative here in this blog is almost laughable. Not only do you need to consider the environmental costs of producing solar panels, but environment costs associated with storing the energy for peak demands at night when your solar panels are no longer producing. That is a lot a lead acid batteries. But how about hydrogen from electrolysis? Energy loss through the electrolysis itself, through compression, distribution will result in a ten fold inscrease in the number of solar panels required to satisfy demand. Let's not forget that one reason our way of life is so good in this country is thanks to the mining industry. We are all users, we are all at fault. The energy you are using currently while reading this post comes cheaply for a reason. In my opinion nuclear power is a fantastic alternative fuel source, and will solve the pressing problems facing us. It is considerably safer than coal throughout the entire process, and a hell of a lot cleaner. We should be pushing for nuclear power!

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Eugene Crozier
October 20th, 2006

I really admire this petition, the response it's received and resultant debate. It's an issue everyone can be involved in, and should endeavour to learn more about.

I do fear, however, the significant proportion of misguided efforts and empty threats which hold no sway in the policy realm and often fall on deaf ears.

Nuclear power seems to be an expensive band-aid solution that we'll regret heavily in 20 years time. What are the alternatives? Riding to work? No. Turning off your computer more often? No. The power demand of Australia WILL increase over time, and yes we all can (and should) be more efficient, but that old term BASE LOAD will continue to diffuse any renewable energy vs. nuclear argument. And you know who’ll win that debate on those terms.

A united front needs to aggressively support the pricing of carbon and fostering clean coal, gas and renewable technologies (without demonizing the first two). Perversely the debate should, for the time being, be coal vs. nuclear. We can win the base load argument and be on the right road from there.

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R.Strachan
October 22nd, 2006

It has been easy for humanity to get into this mess, but it's not so simple to get out. If we miraculously get rid of all the pollution in the upper atmosphere, there will be some severe effects, particularly in the northern hemisphere, where it has been dimming the strength of sunlight. Seach engines show quite a bit on 'sun dimming'.

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Anne Goddard
October 23rd, 2006

I walk the talk, and understand the urgency of this campaign. I have created a website, and hope all who read this message will visit.



Global Climate Change Action

http://globalclimatechangeaction.org,



while there, please TAKE ACTION.



This interactive site (petition, nuclear poll, Climate Change information storage site) was formed via the activie participation of the members of the yahoo discussion group : Climate Change Action, http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/ClimateChangeAction/ ....

formed in November 2005.



A year on, and at last this issue is REALLY seeing the light of day.



Thank you Getup... if i had any money i would donate :-)



with so many voices, how can our elected "representatives" ignore our calls for adequate and immediate climate change mitigation ACTION!



Warm regards

Anne

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Brooke Smith
October 24th, 2006

To help take further action, join in the Walk Against Warming on Sat Nov 4th in EVERY MAJOR CITY IN AUSTRALIA and every major city in the world:



http://www.walkagainstwarming.org/



http://www.globalclimatecampaign.org/



Cheers,



Brooke

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Jo Kimber
October 25th, 2006

Currently living in London and find myself being questioned by Europeans on why Australia has not signed Kyoto etc. Struck by the irony of government funded Oz tourism campaigns here which are largely based on natural beauty/landscapes especially when talking to my parents in rural NSW living through worst drought in history. Wonder how Australian government /we can be so short sighted and why solar and other renewable power options not being properly exploited. More generally on the whole waste reduction, reuse, recycle issue, had the opportunity to hear Tim Flannery and David Attenborough speak about global warming/sustainablity, the latter's take home message was that how we look at energy and waste is a moral question and that to be wasteful is amoral.

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Marilyn Mangione
October 25th, 2006

As a farmer, who is lucky enough to still have some water in the dams, but no feed, I believe the introduction of alternate energy is essential, but I am against Nuclear Energy. I am on solar power at the farm, not much mind you, its TV or computer, one has to make a choice. More financial assistance should be given by the government to people in remote areas for home solar systems. Every home in Australia should have a minimum of 2 large panels on their roof and one water tank of 15,000 ltre capacity to help our beautiful country survive this mismanagement. If politicians can give themselves pay rises and better superannuation benefits before the welfare of our climate then we need a change of government. Climate change problems must come first. Yes our climate does change on its own from time to time, but I dont think we should be giving it a helping hand. Farmers also will now have to cope with China sending millions of tonnes of chilled meat (Lamb) to the Middle East. Who said the Middle East had to have live sheep, the owners of the shipping company I guess.

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George Appleton
October 25th, 2006

Less coal = less greenhouse gas,

less cows = less gas,

more trees = more rain!

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Paul Dyson
October 25th, 2006

On the map page and in the latest email GetUp says that Austrlaia has not signed the Kyoto Protocal. This is incorrect. Australia signed it on 29/5/1998.



Australia has not ratified the treaty. i.e. the government has not passed the laws required to bring it into effect for our country. It is ratification that is important. The treaty did not come into effect until enough countries had ratified it.



I don't want to knock the Walk Against Warming off the bottom of this page. Here's the link:



http://www.walkagainstwarming.org/

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Roger and Rosy Callen
October 25th, 2006

A lot of the warming and strom activity we are seeing is due to the fact that we are are at the peak of an interglacial and is not exceptional for such times, however, there is no need to make it far worese by adding industrial and agricultural greenhouse gases at unprecedented rates. Nothing like the CO2 increase has ever happenned before for very long timesinto the past, perhaps a million years. It will undoubtably cause warming at a rapid rate and icecaps will undoubtably melt. The fact that we are doing this at the peak of an interglacial adds to the problem. Who wants to live behind a six metre wall keeping out the ocean ? Especially not when there is an earthquake tsunami or a meteor falls into the sea! Who wants millions of refugees and new wars, the breakdown of civilisation? New evidence suggest we could be into the no retrurn scenario during the next ten years. Wake up pollies!!! Or get out.



Note that Greens have been pushing for action on this for a long time. The bugbear is some facets of industry, especially coalminers such as Clunies Ross and heavy engineering firms, who see big decreases in profits. seems they don't care about their children or the rest of the world.



I am a geologist that has worked on climate matters in the past.

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Robert Todd
October 25th, 2006

The system of government we employ is to blame. We all know of corruption behind closed doors, jobs for the boys, corporate donations etc. but we do nothing. Disasters like climate change is the price we pay for allowing these dispicable acts of management to continue.



Locally, a family at great expense purchased an electric car from overseas. Negotiated & paid the import duties & shipping, and complied with all applicable government laws to have the car registered. The Roads & Traffic authority refused to register the for over a year, and in the end, reluctantly agreed to grant a conditional license which restricts the cars travel to a certain few streets locally.



THE PUBLIC EXPLAINATION THEY GAVE WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO OPEN THE FLOOD GATES!



Don't want to open the flood gates? Electric cars are far better for our environment than cars using oil based fuels. Thank you Get Up for your pro-active approach to these issues.

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Ziggi Lejins
October 25th, 2006

As important as the target of arresting global warming is the task of preparing for the significant changes to our environment that are now unavoidable and mitigating the damage that will otherwise be wrought. This must include:

* stopping coastal development and regenerating the buffer between the land and the sea (dune systems, mangroves, estuaries);

*rescuing landscapes already denuded by land clearing and destructive agriculture - restoring native vegetation, halting erosion and salinisation, ending unsustainable agriculture;

*adapting our urban form - ending urban sprawl and embracing the paradoxically more environmentally sustainable high density living (running a lift is far lower impac than running a car) ;

*changing our personal lives - learn from the indigenous people who confront climatic challenge and who do not attempt to control it by dressing in western garb and hiding in an air conditioned building.


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Robin France
October 25th, 2006

A number of people seem to be adopting the "Nukes are the only way" argument - if this is to stand up, it must clealy advocate the advantages of nuclear energy (this is something I have yet to see), rather than simply show up flaws in renewable energy. Successive governments ever since the '70's have been taking that line with renewable energy and nuclear power, either swamping us with technospeak, or ignoring serious issues. These issues, which our government has refused outright to consider, include the disposal of hazardous waste, the expense of building and maintaining these reactors, the unreliability of the reactors, and the general cost to the community (past experiences in other countries show that this is the worst example of tax payer subsidised corporate capitalism, with huge projects incurring huge costs onto the public through the government subsidies, while the promised "cheap electricity" has never eventuated). It seems that from whoah to go, the process is demanding as much input of energy as it outputs. And I haven't even touched on the terrorism issue- a government serious about making the world safer from terrorism would surely not start digging up uranium, exporting it, and building nuclear plants in proximity to it's cities? Somewhere along the line (and I would say not too far down the line) our government is lying to us and treating us with an incredible contempt. It is absolutely clear that nuclear energy is NOT the only way, just as Kyoto was NOT going destroy Austrlia's economy, just as there were no weapons in Iraq. "Honest John" has repeatedly shown himself to be completely untrustworthy on any level, and beyond that, he has shown himself to not even care.



And to Lyn Beinat, there is hope for this country if we have 11 year olds calling our PM to task. It's beautiful to see that level of integrity in people. Howard's response is all that I would have expected of him. Please, get Michael to follow up on that, complete with a copy of the ticket stub from Howard, and if our PM doesn't respond, demand a refund.

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Greg Hardwick
October 25th, 2006

The only way to make change - is for people to act. Less talk.



The message about global warming has been out there for years. But, like all humans we must learn from mistakes, or only act when we are forced to. Now there appears to be a sense of urgency. So, finally the fical masses may actually believe.



Don't blame the current federal government. It's the people that vote for them and those obsessed with consumerism and other selfish desires.



I look on with interest at recent road closures in Brisbane due to apparent structual problems with an overpass.



Suddenly people talk of alternatives to private transport and start purchasing portable bicycles and using public transport.



It appears change will only occur when we are forced. Let's just hope we can continue making more changes before it's too late.



But, I hope we're smart about it. Nuclear power is old news and the problems we spoke about decades ago are still there. We need smart solutions, and as Australians it's time we took the lead on renewables. Or haven't we got the confidence yet?



We should insist that our federal government signs Kyoto and stops blatantly protecting their voting base at the expense of the very source of our survival - our environment.



Please don't tell me it's about jobs - we watch many jobs disappear each day. Howard told some workers after losing their jobs they should at least feel lucky we have a good economy. Well the same applies to the polluting non-renewable industries.



I hope we, as a country, can finally get smart and start being creative once again.



Good work GetUp.



Regards

Greg


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martin naylor
October 25th, 2006

Fundamentall change is necessary in all human relationships, and that action is required now, so every time you do something wrong stop and think on why you did that and deal with it,immediately and on the spot.

Practically 100% of scientist agree we have 10 years max to turn ourselves around

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Roger and Rosy Callen
October 25th, 2006

As a person who worked on uranium exploration, i have to respond to those advocating nuclear power. Certainly one must look at this option, as with all others, but the consequences are intractible, even horrific: no-one is considering the energy needed to remove the wastes. The only viable option for removing wastes available is the undergtround one being tested in Sweden, which has 30 years to run before producing any answers. How much CO2 -producing energy was used to make this waste storage? How much will be needed to maintain it? I don't hear any politicians making any attempt to put proper waste disposal methods in place, which they have to, in every country that uses uranium, before anybody sells it to them. Then how are we to look after a waste disposal system for thousands of years? Far longer than any cutlure has existed. It is inevitable they will fall into disuse. Uranium should not be sold to anyone that uses it in nuclear bombs and to anyone that thows missiles and bombs around with depleted uranium in them.



There are also problems with solar power, as several people have pointed out above - I won't be fitting solar panels until I know they really do cut CO2 - their production produces a lot of greenhouse gas, i believe - what are the facts on this? Lets have them.



Last, all the stuff about our hotter climate with increased storms needs to consider the fact that we are at the height of an interglacial. Such things are inevitable. As I said above, we don't want to make it worse though with industrial CO2 etc., in fact any increase at this time has a devestating effect.



The obvious conclusion from all the above is that we must stop using using so much unneccessary energy and the only way to do that is cut consumerism and change the economy. Henry Thoreau called all that into question back in the 1900's, but no-one wanted to listen and most still do not.. I don't see anyone doing that for the next hundred years or so, social forces are too entrenched. So i think we are in for a bad time, folks, changes will just be forced on us by nature. Nevertheless, alternatives to coal need changing, Americans and Europeans need to stop being wasteful - we are still the waste-maker society. Given that we are consumerists at present we have to find a way to produce less Greenhouse gases and keep reducing them. Most of the ways suggested above by various people are short on facts or downright misleading - on both sides of the fence.

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George Ettershank
October 25th, 2006

i see that Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" will be availabe on DVD from Amazon.com in November. Are there plans to release a version for our DVD zone?

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Andrew Goss
October 25th, 2006

We have enough coal to last for centuries, but it is very dirty.



We have gas, which is cleaner, but only enough for a few decades.



Wind is expensive, and will never be a reliable bulk source. It is also visually and ecologically intrusive.



Solar only works in daylight.



Fission is expensive, it is clean to run but the waste problems are unsolved and the security risks are significant. It works and can be built now.



Fusion should be clean and without the waste problems. But developent will take decades.



Geothermal power is clean, far less intrusive than coal, wind, or solar, poses no security risk, is potentially price competitive with the alternatives, and uses a bundle of known technologies. It currently produces about 6% of New Zealand's power. Australia is literally sitting on a free, self-renewing natural heat source that has everything we need to replace coal as a base power generator. See www.pir.sa.gov.au/dhtml/ss/section.php?sectID=2024 for a idea of what this is all about.

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Amanda Wragg
October 25th, 2006

All I can say is ..........about bloody time!

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Chris Emery
October 25th, 2006

Travelling currently in southern Germany I have been amazed at the number of wind generators they have installed. <seldom can löök out of the train window without seeing them.

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Clare Tuckerman
October 25th, 2006

Also, please don't forget that part of the issue is the terrifyingly rapid rate of deforestation taking place all over the planet, including our own country. Reducing emissions is obviously essential, but so is preserving our remaning carbon sinks - oh, that's right, forests and woodlands (see also Caitlin Street's comments above).



My family and I (including my two gorgeous daughters) attended a presentation by the Wilderness Society recently about their new initiative called WildCountry which is inspired by a similar program in North America called WildLands. I encourage GETUP members to check out WildCountry - in a nutshell it is about not just preserving what we have left but also beginning to restore woodlands and forests, and some very encouraging work has already been undertaken together with Greening Australia. The link is http://www.wilderness.org.au/campaigns/wildcountry/.



Wonderful reading. Let's keep it up.

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Jeremy Williams
October 26th, 2006

What worries me is that all the tipping points and positive feedback loops that will occur when a range of ecosystems (such as the amazon) collapse. This groundswell is excellent but as far as I'm concerned can't happen quick enough.

If John Howard gets back in again, I think we're in real trouble - lets hope if Kim gets in there will be a sense of urgency

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James Allen
October 26th, 2006

I agree we should be acting now to reduce our greenhouse gas emssions but I think it is wrong for you to link this with our current drought when it is totally unproven and there is also plenty of experts who don't think it has anything to do with global warming.



I am also sick of expensive wind farms wrecking our beautiful coastlines. If they are so good why not stick some up on whats left of the twelve apostles!



I like the idea of geothermal if we can find a place where it will work.



Not much deabte going on with the word nuclear in it. Again this is another debate full of conflicting 'expert' opinions.

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ziik savu
October 26th, 2006

I don't understand the powers that be; they could be saving the world and our back pockets. They are spending millions of dollars on expensive technology that will take years to implement so that their mates who own these companies (coal and uranium) can get richer. We have had the technology to create methane for decades, which creates a sustainable energy source with bi-products of clean safe water and safe composted soil. If every house in every suburb in every city in Australia had their sewerage diverted to a gas methane plant we would all reap the proceeds of this clean and plentiful resource. Also if we started building the methane digesters now in existing sewerage works we would be ahead of schedule in saving the world from dangerous coal and nuclear powered electricity stations.

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Phillip M WARREN
October 26th, 2006

Agree, about bloody time. Our PM is an intellectual pygmy who has surrounded himself with sycophants. Australia's needs are complex and they need appropriate responses not those that naive and seek to serve the US or the National Party.

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Menkit Prince
October 26th, 2006

It's time to realize that the #1 cause of global warming is overfishing and to leave the oceans alone to regenerate. The oceans are in crisis and along with it the plankton, our #1 source of oxygen (70-80%).

How do we know this? Atmospheric Co2 started rising right after the biggest sea creatures were removed from the ocean in the C17th and C18th centuries PRIOR to the Industrial Revolution and PRIOR to the invention of the internal combustion engine. It has continued to rise ever since except during WWII between 1935-45 when atmospheric CO2 not only stopped but dipped slightly. Why is that when fossil fuels were being burned even more? Because commercial fishing and whaling virtually stopped for 10 years. This proves that if we stop ALL fishing, whaling, sealing, shark finning now and leave the ocean alone, eventually the ocean will heal itself and along with it, our atmosphere.

For more info on how important living creatures are in the sea and how they fertilize photosynthesizing plankton go to www.fisherycrisis.com.

This is one of those "inconvenient truths" to protect fishing cartels worldwide. Marine biologists base their understanding of the ocean on how it was 600 million years ago, conveniently when there were no fish! Wouldn't you think the dynamics of the ocean would change with living creatures in it?

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Kim Cox
October 27th, 2006

I am really concerned about the use of nuclear power to assist in combatting global warming. I do believe we need a change but cant we use environmentally friendly sources such as wind and solar instead of introducing such a dangerous and potentially devestating means of power... ! Sure its all very clean to run but what the heck do we do with the contaminated substance that it produces.. And if its in the control of humans, there is sure to be an accident...!!! Surely its a little ironic to use something that can be so destructive and have such long term effects on our world to replace something that is doing just that ?

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geoff moxham
October 28th, 2006

Thanks for this.

I hope it can make a difference in time.

Geothermal can be melded to solar thermal by having our own hot rocks store at the surface for night and peak loads, fed by superheated steam. A plant already exists in the US, approaching 24/7 solar power.

This inconvenient truth for big coal has been carefully swept under the carpet.

In fact this can be done in your backyard, the street or the suburban vacant block. (or football field or racetrack!)

With that brilliant idea of using the existing sewerage plants for methane (20 x CO2) power, and massive powerdown we might just squeak through.

With arch-deviants like the worlds gang of pollys we're dead in the water...95% species extinctionevet by 2100. Which humans are the "enemy?"



kindest regards

Geoff Moxham



Greed and gratuitous consumption make a sick and selfish waste of the future.... a bumper sticker or 2 like that on every hummer wouldn't hurt.

There's a lot of good bumperstickers in this list.

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john wood
October 28th, 2006

"Just heard the news today oh boy " 800 new cases of leukaemia in kids in SA - 6000 new cases of other cancers diagnosed annually of which 4000 succumb. SA is only 10% of Aussie data - you extrapolate the other 90% - So how is this single disease group health crisis linked to Global Warming, depleted rainfall etc? I've collected tidbits of info from many green authors and added to those from my 8 years with a major swiss chemical firm. We once repesented Monsanto adding 90% H2) to our own brand of their notorious herbicide now sloshed onto the land we all love every year as a weed killer. It is a Planet killer too I assure you. Water is H2O pr 2 parts Hydrogen and one part Oxygen. Our medical director at that comapny once told us that depite the marketing claims that this same herbicide 'breaks down in sunlight and is rendered inert' that it was not - that is would reactivate with rain and wash into streams, creeks rivers and seas killing the oxygen producing green matter we depend on for our survival. You figure it out - if a firm that can split genes and make a poison proof grain that will survive their spray that "kills weeds (all plants) roots and all" - they are clever enough to make one that kills weeds roots and seeds and all - problem is they'd only sell the product once - but it is one of 4.5 million new chemicals created since 1945 - my old firm added DDT, 2.4.5.T and 2.4D to the list - they sucked in the farmers just as they sucked in the bureaucrats - and the WHO set up by guess who - has on its website that this year the drug firms will help sell drugs to the new 60 million patients diagnosed with cancers. Isn't it time we held them accountable! They are creating their own markets by the supply of their chemicals that have got into the food, water, and air we all consume. When we've made them amend their ways and clean up the planet - we can then make the UN put a total ban on all and any forms of War - and with that the other great polluter 'weaponary; - in the name of our kids and the future of earth.

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Valerie Barrow
October 28th, 2006

The Title: Walk against Warming is actually affirming Global warming. Watch The Secret - and you will get it.



Would suggest you call the November 4th `statement' by the people to be "Walk for Clean Air" or someother title that claims the change has already taken place......

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Barbara Bryan
October 28th, 2006

What is the point of big business, coal mine owners etc being so greedy about money above all else as.....they will not have a world to live in and spend the money they insist on having anyway !! This seems such a simple outcome to me.....It is like saying 'when we die we cannot take our money with us' !!

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Glenda Pickersgill
October 28th, 2006

Proposing to build new dams and pumping water for hundreds of kms in Qld is not going to solve the water crisis but will generate millions of tonnes of greenhouse gases.



When are Govts going to start looking at sustainable water solutions (including recycling for drinking) and accept some responsibility for slowing down climate change and protecting the environment we live in.

Future generations stand to lose the valuable Mary river system and all the creatures connected to it.



Please help us to stop the building of Traveston Crossing Dam...New shallow dams emit tonnes of methane and CO2... see info on www.savethemaryriver.com

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garry reed
October 28th, 2006

The nuclear debate is a cynical joke. Reagan took Carters solar panels off the Whitehouse. The US National Renewable Energy Laboratory was stopped in 1996 despite incredible results using algae to clean smokestacks and produce biodiesel and ethanol. Our Energy Research Development Corporation was cut to death by Howard Costello in 1997 despite world leading work on solar voltaics and evidence of enough deep rock energy for hundreds of years. It’s about politics and power not science.

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Julie McCREA
October 28th, 2006

I would like Get Up to call on any politician, or anyone for that matter, to research the viability of every roof to have enough solar collectors supplying immediate power with excess power generated being fed back into the grid. Current solar power sites have the cost for this type of set up for a regular suburban home being around $20K, with the Federal Government supplying a miserly rebate of $2K to $4K. While the Feds pat themselves on the back for this rebate they should be thinking of increasing the rebate and also setting up a low or no interest loan system for interested people to install this type of power system. The Feds brag about the Future Fund they have set up -- is not the future of the World and civilisation future enough!

Of course this type of power generation is not spoken of as a brilliant alternative as no corporation is going to get big profits from it.

Howard has made his mind up about nuclear power and has set in motion the foundations in as far as changing Native Title Legislation so the the Gov can bury nuclear waste from both the World and Australia out in the desert. Uranium should be left in the ground until humans are more civilised or know how to deactivate the waste. I am positive that Howard thinks that offering our deserts as nuclear waste dumps is a good future business and employment oportunity.

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Pam Edwards
October 29th, 2006

We have not addressed the issue of the origin, we exploded nuclear bombs and found that it created a hole in the ozone layer, yet today we have the Yanks firing off depleted uranium bullets and cruise missiles and using the nuclear waste they have to get rid of, amazingly in target practice in Australia, or full weapon firing in Kuwait, Iraq, and Beirut, before they come and dump there used plutonium rods in Central Australia, because they do not want to bury their own 103 nuclear plants waste that takes 4.5million years minimum to decontaminate, so good on you Senator Hill and PM Howard for mishandling this situation for our dumping grounds to create even larger Global Warming.

And who gave you the right to encourage us to save water, while you give companies like Shell 7.5 million litres of drinking water to use in their plants daily, no wonder we suffer and break our backs to save on drinking water, while we let our homes crack up because their is no moisture in the soil, and in the meantime BIG business, in particular, oil companies get away with tipping it down the drain and pollute our seas with their deadly toxin dumpings of garbage all washed out of their refineries with polluted clean drinking water.

When do we really wake up to the fact that Australia will not sign the Kyoto Protocol because it is still protecting major mining companies whether they be Australian or international, is this what Liberal stands for?

I cannot remember when the last referendum for Australians gave us a choice about not knowing what was going on in Government, but we certainly are finding out that not one party are game enough to tell us why we have the mess we have, unless we went back to the Trojan days and hid our men inside a wooden horse.

When are Australians going to stand up and say "I care, and I am bloody angry that the Government are pulling the wool over my eyes, or is that too much of an Inconvenient Truth"

And do NOT even consider the idea of Nuclear Power, as IT IS NOT the answer to global warming or anything else, (refer Dr Helen Caldicott book), or should we remember Chernobyl??

Wake up Australia, this so called review taskforce on nuclear power, conned by Howard is a smokescreen, simply to get rid of more uranium to the companies that have bought mining rights here, we could not look stupid unless we had Nuclear power plants running in Australia too. Why did one of the mining buddies propose the Avalon, Vic, site for a plant, right next to an international airfield, if they couldn't fix up refineries with cheaper electricity to do their oil??

The Human Rights Charter quoted by EEO chair says in part "However, Governments are elected by majorities. and if the majority is unconcerned about the impact of legislation, policies and practices on minorities, issues concerning RIGHTS can vanish from the political landscape."

Well, pardon me while I flush the loo, as I feel that my democratic rights have gone anyhow.

When will we ever learn!

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CHRISTA WALSH
October 29th, 2006

Love that you are expressing and acting on behalf of Planet Earth and us in Australia who enjoy such freedoms and wealth still . . .suggest you view 'THE SECRET'' , an Australian produced DVD that describes the NEED for principals of Law of Attraction to be applied when wanting change . ''War AGAINST Want/Drugs/Terrorism .../Warming simply gives energy to 'wot is ' , rather than offering the SOLUTION or most desired outcome !

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Stephanie Swanson
October 30th, 2006

While it's important for the government to do something about Climate Change, it's also the responsibility of every who cares to make changes to their lives. Fact is, we're all living beyond our means - we need to do the bottom "R" of the pyramid REDUCE our consumption.

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Chris McFadden
October 30th, 2006

It is time for the majority of society to wake up. It is now clear that the world cannot continue to support the structure of our wasteful "throw-away" economy. If all the people in Chin, India and Africa want the same level of affluence that is enjoyed in the West then we are all in big trouble. The bottom line is that we all need to pull our heads in and think about the consequences of our actions.



At the same time governments the world over need to facilitate and encourage the mechanisms that will amke people change. human beings are by their very nature selfish so apart from a small minority of people will not generally act for the common good unless there is something in it for them.



Let's use our votes and our money to make change happen. Political parties that do not support positive environmental policies that will make a difference do not deserve our vote, use green energy, do not but imported products, shop local, ride your bike or even walk somewhere, use public transport, buy a hybrid car, recycle, get a worm farm, grow your own veges.....it can't be that hard and if enough of us do this we can make a difference.


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Nenad-Danny Bakaj
October 31st, 2006

It's not time to write a book titled "How to Avoid Dangerous Climate Change in Future?" It's time to be more practical. There is no time for procrastination. We've got to do something NOW! Very rapid climate change is not matter of the future. It's matter of today. Let's start with reduction in our electric use...

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Roland Riese
October 31st, 2006

There are 6 billion people on this planet and 20 million in Australia what ever we do Australia wide with renewable energies will hardly have any impact on the CO2 output of the world.



The solution to the problem needs to be an energy that is inexpensive and non polluting for the world.

This energy needs to be less costly then power produced by burning coal.



What everybody seams to overlook is modern and new nuclear technology and amongst all the developed countries that could have seen the potential India has taken the lead.

I am suggesting developing thorium reactor technology further.

I have listed a few reasons why I do thing that this is the fastest and best way to counteract global warming.



o Thorium is only a slightly radioactive metal that is used quite commonly in all day items - like glass, light blobs elements, ceramics, arc lights, lenses on cameras …



o Thorium by itself can not act as nuclear fuel. Unlike a reactor using uranium it can not get out of control.

No nuclear weapons can be built using thorium.



o There is about three times more thorium on this planet then uranium.

Australia and India have about 50% of the known deposits.



o Thorium is used in is normal form and does not require enrichment like uranium. However, it requires a neutron source and that is usually a small amount of uranium. Uranium is consumed in the process.



o There is potentially by far less nuclear waste from a thorium reactor then from uranium reactor. The half time of this small amount of waste is about 500 years.



o There is new technology developed by the Bochum University in Germany by physicist Claus Rolfs and that will reduce halve time to one or two years. This should ones and for all resolves the nuclear waste dump issues.



o An added advantage is that all present nuclear waste can basically be burned up in a thorium reactor. Therefore, all the nuclear waste in existence can be neutralised that way.



o The reactors could be built to replace existing steam section of existing power stations, hence coal fired section of a power station can be replaced without building new power station like that would be require if uranium is used.



o Mining thorium and developing a support industry can replace the fossil fuel industry and bring a lot more revenues and work to Australia then coal, gas and oil combined.



o Existing nuclear power stations can use thorium fuel roads - the key is less nuclear waste and no long time waste.



o Here is a truth generally acceptable solution to reduce the worlds output of CO2 within a few years.



o It takes willpower, a commitment and cooperation of other countries to fix the environment and Australia is in the unique position to play the key part to solve a global problem.



o These power stations can also produce drinking water and hydrogen for cars inexpensively and so solve several problems at ones.

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Tlong
October 31st, 2006

Signing Kyoto is detremental to our econony I'd rather see the government in action!

Make environmental changes for the better now not in 10 years!

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October 31st, 2006

I believe that pumping seawater or effluent into the middle of Oz, into a massive man-made lake is the answer. The lake is in a huge bowl & covered with a series of huge glass lids that absorb the evaporating water. As the water runs off towards the edges of the glass lids, it collects into a rim which directs the now clean water into a clean-water filling tank. Any further impurities can be removed by a groups of solar-powered pumps that force the water through filters.



The resulting clean water would then be pumped around the middle areas of Oz into large storage areas.



This system could be built & maintained by those people who want to live in Oz but don't have a trade or the language. They would be required to work this factory which offered English training as part of the deal until they had learnt the language & had gained a skill from this position.



This system is meant to improve the language skills of migrants as well as their workforce usefulness. It also repays Oz for their migration.

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Karyn Fearnside
October 31st, 2006

Part one

I wrote this response a while ago, hopefully it is still relevant!



We are all on this planet together, (we can’t get off) to me that means that every last one of us has to do our bit!



People learn through grief and joy. When I apply that to the situation of global warming I deduce that we will either learn through joy- coming together as a community to fix this problem, learning how to work in harmony with each other and the planet, creating peace and unity in the process.



Or, we will learn through grief- not doing enough in time, rising ocean levels, displaced people, all kinds of disasters, which will bring us together as a community to fix this problem, learning how to work in harmony with each other and the planet, creating peace and unity in the process.



Both joy and grief are excellent teachers. Looking through history it is easy to see that we have learnt a lot through grief, WW1 WW2 etc.

It would certainly be a wonderful journey if we could learn through joy this time.


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Karyn Fearnside
October 31st, 2006

Part two

Let us start by thinking positively. What can we each do? When I read about rainwater tanks and the satisfaction that people have derived from having them installed, I feel happy for those people. I then feel depressed because as yet I haven’t got a rain water tank, (therefore I can’t do my bit.) They are rather expensive in the scheme of things and on my “to do” list next time a sum of money is freed up. Therefore, what can I do that is significant?



Planting trees is one thing, but which type is best? Evergreen? Supporting organisations like Australian Bush Heritage, (www.bushheritage.org) is another. Talking to others is an extremely important thing to do.



To stop feeling depressed and helpless I need to focus on those small daily things I can do- reducing the amount of garbage my household produces, eating only vegetarian food, raising chickens, growing vegetables, buying organic food, educating friends/family/neighbours on recycling. Living consciously, meditating, and setting an example, realising that I make mistakes.



The most important thing I can do for myself is maintain a positive frame of mind. In this state I am keen to act, to contribute. I try to be aware that being depressed is a spiritual form of getting a kick in the butt. Afterwards you should expand and act. Then a feeling of joy pervades as you realise what it is you need to do (write this letter in my case).

If each of us maps out the things we can do individually, as a community and continue to grow, learn and teach, I believe we will succeed.



Initially I was disappointed when I saw Al Gores movie. I didn’t think it said enough, went far enough etc. When I mentioned this to my friends afterwards over coffee they replied that the general population were not ready for that. I re-evaluated my thoughts and decided it is a great movie and that my role would be to encourage as many people as possible to see it. I could use it as a stepping stone. Indeed all films books etc in this genre need to be greeted enthusiastically with open arms.



Global warming is about to become the biggest teacher in the course of our human existence. The planet is perfectly capable of fixing itself. It remains to be seen just how many of us frail, fragile, self important human beings will be able to hang on for the ride.



Lets all be careful not to push each other off by letting people think “I can’t do this it is too hard”.

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Karyn Fearnside
October 31st, 2006

My brother had these points to add which I thought were valid



Hello Karyn

I had a quick read of the blog entry - it read really well, clear and to the point. I like it.



A couple of thoughts that you might like to consider:

- You note that we all have to play our role. My thinking is that this needs to explicitly cover individuals and households and businesses of all sizes and types, and governments of all spheres/levels (local, state and territory, and federal). There is so many examples of policies driven by business and governments that work against the individual (just look at the deal Adsee has on his car - he pays less tax to drive further! - great for the local car industry, but crap for the environment).



- Guilt is not a driver for lasting behaviour change, which is well documented. Perhaps you could consider reworking the section on guilt to turn this into a positive (ie I'm planning to put in a water tank when the money becomes available, in the mean time I'll lobby government to try to make this more affordable - this will allow me to feel like I'm doing my bit and stave of the impending feeling of guilt for not being able to afford to invest more at this stage of my life).

Cheers Alex

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Yvonne Smith
October 31st, 2006

It's not difficult to be green and it makes financial sense...!!!



Here's what we have done to be environmentally responsible:



1. Installed a solar hot water system - it's great and saving us money too. We try to use most of the water in the morning (ie showers) so it has a chance to heat up again during the day, and we turn our supplemental J-tarriff off completely during the sommer months so it's absolutely green hot water.



2. Replaced almost all of our lighting with energy saver type lighting - we also tend to use a small table lamp in the evenings just where the light is needed. We turn off all appliances completely when not in use ie mobile phone chargers, TV.



3. As we cant get green power at the moment we have joined up with climatefriendly.com to offset our household carbon emissions from electricity use.



4. We use an energy efficient slow combustion heater in winter and only use wood from plantations - a renewable resource.



5. Also we wear ugg-boots and jumpers unless it is really cold and we expect to be home for most of the day - before putting the heater on. Or we use a blanket when watching TV rather than heating the whole house.



6. We replaced our old fridge and bought an energy efficient new model. The savings in electricity alone will repay the fridge in 4 years!



7. We threw away the tumble dryer (never used it much anyway) and installed a permanent rail in our lounge room to hang clothing to dry in winter. If the weather is good we use a clothes line outside.



8. We bought a car on LPG. 30% less emissions that petrol and saves us so much money - I don't understand why LPG is not more popular.



9. Our car is registered with Greenfleet.com, and we have therefore paid for trees to be planted to offset emissions.



10. We work from home, so there is no home-work travel - these days telecommuting is an option if employees in suitable occupations take the initiative.



11. Installed a water saver shower head.



12. Most importantly - we educate our children in what is responsible conduct regarding the environment



13. And use recycled products when possible - recycled printing paper, recycled unbleached toilet paper...



14. Not to mention keeping an eye on the latest news and info on climate change, supporting worth while campaings, discussin the issue with friends and colleagues, and writing a letter or two to politicians....



15. We have planted a vegie patch and fruit trees and have chickens and bees. We share our locally grown foods with neighbours, friends, and family.



There's probably more....but my point is this: NONE OF THIS has adversely affected our lifestyle, in fact it has improved it in many ways AND is saving us money.












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Vincenze
November 1st, 2006

Hi,



I'm sure you've all by now heard about the Stern report. This report has really culminated what scientists and greenies alike have been saying for decades.



It's doing something important, it's taking these issues mainstream. I haven't been able to turn on a TV or pick up a paper without hearing about climate change.



Linking climate change to the economy is what has turned the head of everyone who has an economy worth something... times are certainly changing.



More thoughts on the report at my blog.



cheers,



Vincenze.

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Kate Mollenhauer
November 1st, 2006

Advertise GETUP in your myspace. For this campaign copy and paste







URL 1 is ---> http://www.getup.org.au/campaign.asp?campaign_id=51"> http://www.getup.org.au/content/upload/images/campaigns/ClimateActionNow/climateimage.jpg





Once you've inserted the URL's into their places, URL 1 to where it says INSERT URL 1 HERE and URL 2 to where it says INSERT URL 2 HERE it should look like this.



The image will be clickable and will open the campaign window in a new page.


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Keith Hammond
November 1st, 2006

Substantial, Strategic LEADERSHIP is CRITICAL BUT MISSING!

Of course, to begin to manage Climate Change and Warming it IS important for individuals and families to sign up for green energy, reduce consumption, etc. But addressing the CC giant requires very substantial, comprehensive and strategic planning and action, far beyond individual initiative. Real leadership by countries and globally is NOW essential, as most recently clearly demonstrated by the Stern Review.



With its itsy-bitsy and rather petty actions the Prime Minister and his Government have to this point shown very clearly that they are QUITE INCAPAPABLE of providing such leadership. On the contrary, they have stressed their inability to move significantly until "other countries such as China and India" (it carefully makes no mention of today's major problem, the USA!) do so, relegating the Australian community to the 'also-ran' basket! As a result our business community and all Australians are being given only minor and confused signals.



If the opportunity occurred to involve us in yet another war it would likely take the Government just a few days to involve us! Well, Mr Prime Minister, the impact of this Climate Change is potentially MUCH BIGGER THAN ANY WAR, also on Australia, AND your children and grandchildren!



Oz Government leadership and action to date on CC management is critically inadequate. Go GetUp, generate enough pressure to change this pathetic situation!

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HELENA MARY HOGAN-TRY
November 1st, 2006

I think it is time to vote Little Johnny out of the job!!!!!!!,

Climate change will occur when governments are willing to take leadership into positive views of wanting to create an environments for all to share,

not be influenced by Yanky Presidents who may have, oil companies, airlines and other fat cats within their pockets.



Australia should be leading the world in supporting Koyto and look after this precious planet.

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Tony Langmaid
November 2nd, 2006

I'm interested in this GetUp action however I'd like to see more substantial solutions to these problems coming from our members ideas and those learned people who can take concept to action. For instance, several of us developed a conceptual idea in Townsville of an ‘environmental information kit’, called ‘Act Local EnviroKit’, advising individual households what they could do and cease doing to help the environment (lessen the imprint).



It was inspired by Jim. Ife's 'Intergenerational Obligation' model of community development action and Janis Birkland’s ‘Design for Sustainability’2004.



One of the ideas was to work individually and together to take the sort of actions GetUp is currently mobilizing. This I applaud.



Another of the ideas was more futuristic, in that water collection, storage, use and re-use could be built into suburban fabric in a manner of the Science fiction series of books 'Dune' . I believe that engineered underground storage and cycling of water is possible on a much larger scale than it is at present. I'd like GetUp and its members to consider such conceptual ideas and consider actions to take to bring them into fruition.



Thank you for this opportunity.

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Karen Elizabeth Braid
November 2nd, 2006

I live up in Lower Beechmont - we are all on rain water tanks up there with no back up (other than to buy water if we run out, but if we dont have another source....). The difference is we watch every drop because we have to. Every drop of rain that falls - I catch and use for my garden and for washing down my pet areas. Nothing else gets used from the water tank. We only flush the loo when necessary (no. 2's) and we dont need to wash our car. Everyone - mostly those in the cities - need to recognise that water is more valuable than any precious metal or stone and should not be complacent. Luke Bradman on Hot Tomato thinks we should wait till we run out of water before doing anything about it - he doesnt think you need to put a pool cover on to prevent the water from from evaporating because it will cost him too much. It's that kind of thinking that has bought us to the scary future we now face because people in the city's think - "it wont happen to me so why worry". Bottom line is, with this selfish way of thinking, he is right he wont suffer - his kids and their kids will - lets hope he can live with that thought. Oh and one more thing - car adverts that advocate washing cars in driveways instead of on the grass are letting people think its OK to do this. Media need to get behind this whole global warming battle and wake people up. John Howard doesnt beleive the Stern Report has any merit and doesnt want to join the Kyoto agreement because other industrial countries wont - STOP BEING A SHEEP AND TAKE THE LEAD MR HOWARD - when these countries see Australia joining they will follow because Australia has led them. Don;t wait for someone else to make the move - be the first!

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lauretta
November 2nd, 2006

It`s interesting that Now- alot of us are feeling that we have to do something about our environment,when WE ALL SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON TO THIS YEARS &YEARS AGO...

Please take the time to read the Novemeber 2006 issue of LivingNow magazine(vic issue)-p-20 called `Why Shift Happens`& in particular p21.

You will be STUNNED at what you read regarding what is happenning to every planet in our solar system...NOW

-This is information that has been kept away from public knowledge for some time & WHY????????

Well, who can tell US WHY? Anyone??? & why the lack of action from those in power?



Is it because it is too late to make any sustainable changes to support our environment at this stage to ensure that we actually have a future here on Earth?



If you understand the huge changes that are taking place within our solar system now(&have been for some time)-it pretty much guarantees that we will experience these types of changes on Earth also-



We are now starting to already & we would be very naiive to expect our Earth to be exempt from this-or be able to escape the consequences.

I am in no way saying,do nothing.

What I am saying is...understand the predicament & the seriousness of the situation that WE ARE ALL IN NOW & ask the question of ...why has this information been kept from the public for so long & by whom???



WAKE UP ......

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Peggy Balfour
November 2nd, 2006

The Reva light electric car recently imported into Australia by 'The Solar Shop' in Adelaide http://www.revaaustralia.com

and used extensively in Europe and U.K. is to be crushed because our Federal Minister for Transport (Senator Jim Lloyd) does not have a category for it.

How convenient, no category for a vehicle that could cut polution particularly by city traffic drivers.

See:

http://www.ministers.dotars.gov.au/jl/releases/2006/october/l144_2006.htm

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Michael Galvin
November 2nd, 2006

Make Sydney Solar City with the new nanosolar technology, like the Mayor of New Orleans decided to do for New Orleans.

A 10c tax on petrol generates about $3 Billion tax revenue for the government every year. A square mile of solar panels in the desert would generate enough power for Sydney, if peak demand can be catered for be massive wind turbines in Bass Strait. Denmark is entirely wind powered. Australia has the Sun!!! Why not buy a develop and implement fleets of say 1000 hydrogen buses in major cities and reduce traffic congestion? The opportunities are endless!!!

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Sandy Lyons
November 2nd, 2006

Great to see this from one running their house on Solar Energy.

Nuclear is not the way to go! I have to add that bit. Uranium waste is the next Asbsestos crisis! From what I can gather processing low grade uranium to bring it up to powerhouse quality will create more green house gases than coal fired generation. Is anyone aware of clean coal fired power production, it may have been mentioned already, but this may also be an alternative to what we are doing now.

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Kevin Kavanagh
November 2nd, 2006

If everybody had a look from one car to the next in peek hour traffic, they would see one person per car. Mostly 2 or more cars per household. All goods bought at the supermarket are way over packed. Every household has two or more bins for the weekly council pick-up. Everybody has a grassy lawn to mow every fortnight.

Our way of life is out of control though we think we have control. Most of us can't change the way we live to any great extent. Some of us don't have the money for the water tank or the solar panel. We need to go back 200 years and start over without the automobile. We need to live in small townships and have small businesses to support through our needs. We need to go back to basics. If we can't change to suit the environment then the environment we live in will make us change to suit it.

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R Okill
November 3rd, 2006

The problem is, How does Howard credibly get out of the hole the coal industry has painted him into?

It's okay giving small change to solar power initiatives.. but who's gonna pay real money back to the Liberal Party?

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Aaron D
November 3rd, 2006

We have options. Wind, Sun and Water can be harnessed to provide us with enough power for the entire country. Nuclear energy has also been around for billions of years.



The government needs to be held responsible, and shown that the people of this country want clean energy to be put in place. A rally needs to be organised to show the government the amount of support that is around for clean energy. Let's face it, the people in power are also going to be affected by climate change.



I also think Austalia and the world need to realise that Nuclear energy is not the evil it is made out to be. The sun is nuclear energy and is already a primary source of energy for the earth. Even if the people/countries responsible for nuclear weapons testing and terrorism get a hold of nuclear science, what is the difference between this, and life on earth being wiped out due to climate change?



I'd like the opportunity for my generation, and future generations to live!



Why are the US and Australia refusing to stop burning coal when there are other clean options around? Money is being spent solving problems caused by global warming (Take the 120 million spent by the Australian government to tap into water sources - WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE UNDRINKABLE), while less money is spent putting strategies into place to combat the continued damage to the earth and what contributions we make to global warming.

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Stephen Seymour
November 3rd, 2006

The greed and blind ignorance of this generation is spending our future generations inheritance. Like pigs in a trough eating all they can get in because it is there. Talk of future planning by these politicians contains more hot air than the atmosphere itself. They are bloating on there overindulgence and denial. As long as they dont lose their share the rest can go to hell. We've gorged ourselves on the education and health of the future and now we wont stop until we've used all of the earths resources. Shame, shame shame. Animals are governed by their nature and mans nature is selfishness. Global suffering is the product. How can they talk of how much it is going to cost us to change when all they are doing is passing the debt to our offspring, and that is a cost that is unpayable. Today we are told by a Canadian report that global fish stocks will collapse within 50yrs. More denial of course. How do the polluted oceans then recover. So the climate changes make over half the planet uninhabitable and the oceans become a global waste dump. We must change our behaviour. Get rid of the political and business gluttons !

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Anne Goddard
November 3rd, 2006

Please forward throughout your networks, anyone passing through tomorrow,

say hi :-)

------------------------

Saturday, November 4, 2006



Founder of the Climate Change Action Group, Anne Goddard, will be collecting

signatures on the group's Global climate change mitigation petition,

throughout the township of Gin Gin, Qld, on the Bruce Highway from 10 am

until 3pm, tomorrow.



Come along, have a chat and add your name to the written petition if you are

in the area.



The petition is available on-line @

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/737214963



Look forward to seeing you :-)

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ruar
November 4th, 2006

Hello

I wonder if you can start to get activists to design printable PDF placades. (Deborah Kelly is successful with this - http://www.mca.com.au/general/escaped_refugees.pdf)

That announce the subject that we can place in our windows or in the public domain. This action would extend the campaigns where or when activists cannot physically participate. It is a good and inexpensive way too.

cheers

Ruark

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Alex Flint
November 4th, 2006

I agree with all the points above.



However, I am writing because I tried to to "put myself on the map" but was unable to because on after clicking on the map I was presented with a blue box with some white rectangles no writing on it at all, meaning I don't know what I'm supposed to write where. I'm using the Firefox web browser (along with 20% of the rest of Australia!). Maybe this has something to do with it. It would be great to have this fixed because I really agree with getup.org.

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H.J. Boesewinkel
November 5th, 2006

The next big issue is to say NO to nuclear power.

The mining and refining are the most polluting activities on the planet. then there's the expense, then the unrelieability, then what to do with the waste.

Say No to nuclear before it's too late.

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Michael Klein Ewin
November 6th, 2006

I am involved in the community TV sector and would like to make contact with anyone who was at any November 4 events with a camera.

In particular anyone who had a high end 3 chip video camera. There were two such hi end cameras at the Perth event and we would like to produce a TV record of this historic day. This can be shown on Al Gore's American cable TV outlet.

Please contact me via Community Television in Perth

www.ctvperth.com.au

or email me there

michaelewin@ctvperth.com.au

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John Glass
November 7th, 2006

I support the cause.



Unfortunately every time i try to view my submission on the map my computer crashes! (my computer is quite new)



I am getting quite annoyed as you can imagine - can you please make the map work properly so we can view the support this campaign is generating.

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Katie Harford
November 7th, 2006

The environment is more precious than any other issue in goivernment. Without clean air and water we will all die. It seems so simple yet it continues to be ignored. Forget about the money lost in some industries, new industries will be created and we will all live much longer on the beautiful planet.



I can't believe that it has taken so long for these issues to become prominent in the media. I remember learning about this in primary school (acid rain, the hole in the Ozone layer, Carbon Dioxide gases etc) That was over 15 years ago and nothing has changed. In fact we are consuming more than ever before. Cars are bigger, I watch hundreds of cars everyday with one person in them going to and from work (what a waste of energy) there is no great push to ensure every house has a solar hot water system or even a rain water tank, two of the most simple ways to reduce energy created pollutants and save water. I can't wait to see a change in peoples attitudes and the governments budget & infrustructure to support a grean environment (bike paths, solar energy, rain water collection, recycled water), I wish it had been implemented yesterday!!!

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Peter Hipe
November 8th, 2006

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/mg19225731.100



Read what the real experts say. It's worse than you think.

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Jenny Luesby
November 9th, 2006

Get Up is fantastic and gives everyone hope as we learn, even just by looking at the climate map, that we are not alone. The first indication to me that the climate had changed was back in 2000 when Adelaide had early warm weather in Sept and then a long cool Summer, warming up again in Feb. The cycle has been similar every year since. Each Winter seems to become drier and last year we ran out of rainwater for the first time and had to use revolting mains for about 3 months before the rains came. This year is worse; we are already down to 1/3 tank with no rain in sight. Water restrictions are in place and we'll be lucky to get any significant rain until March/April - that's almost 5 months on mains! We are planning to install more tanks before next Winter and are contemplating solar panels. I recently toured an organic farm in the Riverland which, with 25 panels, was running the whole place. In fact, they had too much power and no way to feed it back into the grid. They were running their orchard business, a large farmhouse and a cafe/restaurant! If our government were not seemingly under the control of big business and the US government (who probably want to sell us nuclear technology at great expense - why do you think Howard has managed to manouever a "discussion" into an all out call for nuclear power!) they would be subsidising every household to install at least 6 panels. The solution is so easy, it makes me sick!!!!!! Mr Howard is by far the worst, most unimaginative, most hijacked to big business, most under the spell of the US, most morally bankrupt Prime Minister this country has ever had. And each election, he manages to "pull a rabbit out of the hat", usually in the last week or so before the poll, whether it be to attract the racist vote or the mortgage belt or to slur Labor, to confound the masses, to get back into power. It is so depressing! I have often felt like writing to him to ask him "Why do you hate ordinary, hard-working Australians so much?" especially since he brought in the GST! He has no respect for the population and, like Margaret Thatcher or Bush, is quite content to manipulate the people to his own end. He is the sort of leader who will take us to the brink of extinction for the sake of the mighty dollar. It makes me wonder when he states that he will not ratify Kyoto because it might hurt our ecomomy. Well heh, without a healthy planet to live on, economies are meaningless. People can survive without money but money is worthless without people (aka consumers and shareholders) Duh! Vive Get Up!

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Phil Connor
November 10th, 2006

For those interested in what could be done, see www.sunengy.com which describes a very economical solar electric generator under development.

Solar power is effectively an infinite & harmless resource. In the end it is all we have, so we should learn to use it economically - it can be done (see the website). Why has it not yet been done? Lack of concentrated effort (it is easier to burn fossil fuels). How much have you invested in a solar or wind power company?



cheers, phil

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Jane Hart
November 10th, 2006

Australia should undenably take responsibility for the irrepreable environmental damage it has caused our beautiful land. Its the bottom financial line that hits the masses though, not emotion.



We need a tax on car emissions ie when you get your green slip you must pay an extra $50 for carbon credits-ie paying to plant trees for your own damage



Government financial incentives for long term renewable energy - wind, solar, and desalinisation - the technology is there just not the financial incentive for business developers!

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Wes Taylor
November 10th, 2006

Friday, 10 November 2006



Before we all jump off a cliff just have a read of SMH 10/11/2006 "Reef insight on global meltdown" Deborah Smith Science Editor. Apparently there was "global warming" 125000 years ago. Probably all of those fossil fueled power plants and the millions of motor vehicles, planes, trains etc zooming around the World at that time.?

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Jonathan Keren-Black
November 12th, 2006

'But how can we do it?' and 'How can we do it until all the other countries do as well' are the two refrains becoming more and more common as politicians can no longer simply ignore the realities.



Some years ago I came across what I believe to be a neat and wonderful solution - an entirely new tax system (which can readily be introduced in gradual stages by replacing GST) called UNITAX, developed by UK economist Farrel Bradbury.



I have read all I can about it over the years, and considered it at length, and written summaries of it, and believe it now needs intense attention and promotion. I would be very happy to come and talk about it further.



In the simplest terms, it swings every single purchasing decision made by individuals or companies away from dirty energy consumption, and towards less and/or clean energy.

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Walter Hermann Gfeller
November 12th, 2006

If the PM is right about global warming and renewable energy, then David Suzuki must be a real idiot, but that would be hard to proof.

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Climate Matters
November 13th, 2006

Hilarious - Victorian LIberals leader Ted Baillieu discusses his views on climate change and global warming.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14BT4MSEeXs

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Chris Lowe
November 14th, 2006

Our Govt is not interested in doing what is right but in holding on to power. John Howard is more than aware that the economic pain to both industry and individuals in addressing climate change will be politically unpopular. The PM's "regional" objections to Kyoto and the damage that would be done to Australia, fail to take into account the immense damage that climate change and global warming are already reeking. Climate change is a global phenomenon and cannot be defeated by economic rationalism.

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Bro Sheffileld-Brotherton
November 19th, 2006

John Howard is the first serious Australian politician since Sir Charles Court thirty years ago to to promote nuclear reactors up



Court called WA the world's energy farm. Peter Costello spruiks involvement in the G20 in terms "Energy our freeway to the future" (The Age, 18/11).



Now ca 7000 people are voting in the Yahoo web poll "What is the most important issue at the current APEC summit?" as follows: Climate Change 59%: Iraq 19%; Economic Development 18%



For the people climate change is the issue: for Government it's consuming more energy with a bit of highly-vexed pollution-ameliorating expensive, yet-to-be demonstrated technology.



The Sunday Times (19/11) says:



"The [Ipsos-Mackay] poll shows 60% of Australians think that climate change will be important part in how they vote at the next election.



While 24% believed the Greens would be the best party federally to handle global warming, with the Coalition on 23%



Remarkably, Labor trailed on 19%



The results will be deeply unsettling for federal Labor MPs who have a question mark over Mr Beazley's performance.



His internal critics complain that he fails to ``cut through'' to voters with the Opposition's message.



The poll confirms that impression, since Howard has been seen to have been wrong-footed on climate change since the publication of the Stern Report.



Howard has been a self-confessed ``climate change sceptic'' and has refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol. "



Speaking to mainly young people at the Make Poverty History Concert on 17/11 Tim Costello said (of course, it's not news other than he said it about him for, I believe, the first time):



"I do have a brother. That brother, along with both sides of politics, has failed to see with the same moral clarity what your generation gets This is how politicians govern: they wet their finger, they put it up to the air and they say which way is the wind blowing."



I've been banging on now for 6 months about the next federal election, and particularly the long lead up to it, being a once in a lifetime opportunity to blow the winds of sustainability with frostbite-inducing force over the wet fingers of our political leaders. The hooks being ever-increasing public concern over the impacts of climate change and the capture of the Government's (and, led by Ferguson and Fitzgibbon, a proportion of the Opposition's) agenda by the carbonucleophiles.

1 April 2007 is a Sunday.



Noting the success of the recent Walk Against Warming, as part of an escalating campaign for a real, anti-nuclear response to climate change significant nationwide actions on "April Fuels" day may be worthy of contemplation and organisation.



I shrink from showing my age by raising memories of 1977 or even using the term "mobilisation" (or looking ahead to 6 August 2007) for what might be contemplated and organised.



I would be grateful to receive any views you may have on these musings.



bro@c031.aone.net.au




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Dr Redman J Crosby
November 22nd, 2006

You know the key to creating a way of change for anything is to change our CONSCIOUSNESS to meet the needs not only of ourselves as human being's who inhabit this beautiful planet, but also to acknowledge Planet Earth Herself as a Living Breathing Entity.

The way of Change as I see it is to join in a PEACEFUL WAY, not as a Demonstration with angry placards and angry voices, this just brings on more of the same ( QUANTUM PHYSICS ...... Quantum Intent .... The Law of Attraction ).

March for Compassion .... March for Peace ..... March for Joy ... March for Happiness, this will set in motion 'Ther Law of Attraction for all of us including the Earth to fascillitate that change ........ This is called Relativity, it is not INTELLECTUAL, ... it is not ACCADEMIC .... it is a calling forth of Opportunity in a state of Focussed INTENT ..... QUANTUM INTENT.

Notice I have left out Religion / Spirituallity / and Prophecy, these will always differ for everyone wants to be RIGHT!

We have one common GOAL and Covenant ..... LOVE ..... I tis Universal and practised in every culture every Human Being.

http://www.webspawner.com/users/redmanjcrosby/index.html



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Stephen Choularton
December 6th, 2006

Global warming is probably the number one environemental issue. It will change the way we live and create mass migrations of people from low lying areas. That's if we don't get some dramatic event like the Gulf tream failing.



I should declare an interest. I'm a Liberal Candidate for the Upper House in NSW and its one of my campaign issues. However, many of us want to see us both solve the global warming problem and see prosperty spread around the world.



It can be done, so long as we bring technology to our aid with clean coal buring, nuclear power, sequestration, etc.



It won;t be done by telling three-quarters of the people on the planet they cannot improve their standards of living!



Let's solve this problem with our brains just like all the other problems that have faced humanity. If you are interested read my paper at http://www.steve2007.com/global.pdf



Stephen Choularton

MLC Candidate Liberal

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Sally Ann Prout
December 9th, 2006

My Husband and I are setting up solar energy for our house. We are still on the normal power grid, we just credit the solar power we produce onto the grid and draw it back at night. This will supply us with nearly all our power. Because the process has been so easy and the systems are already in place, I dont understand why the government is not seriously looking at setting every home and business with solar energy it would be much quicker, than looking at long term plans such as nuclear energy, which are not clean and will just add to our planets problems in the long run. They have to be more expensive to setup and run, than the sun?????

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fran barlow
December 12th, 2006

It seems to me that the front end of achieving sustainability must deal with energy efficiency. People speak of there being no "silver bullets" and they are of course right. There is no single technology or single approach that will fix everything that needs fixing. But in terms of "bang for the buck", timeliness and political saleability, there is nothing that comes close to using less energy to deliver the same level of service. Turning off idle appliances, dessicating air to improve the efficiency of air con units and placing them in areas where the air being colled is cooler (by shading them etc) having light operation controlled by motion sensors and light levels, using compact fluorescents, making use of cogeneration principles at power plants etc etc are all things that can be done in the short terms at close to nil cost but which can very substantially reduce output not only of greenhouse gases, but also other pollutants associated with power production as well. Best of all, the saving can be started TODAY, and to the extent that it reduces energy demand, reduce the gap between what is produceable through renewables and projected power demand. Since GHGs like CO2 are long lived (about 80-100 years) and the effects of CH4 and NOx are even greater on the atmosphere (over 20 years CH4, wehich is released in coal mining, is about 23 times as effective in ppm terms as CO2), the sooner we begin reducing emissions of these the better. Reducing demand is something we must find efficient and effective ways of doing. It's not nearly as exciting as windmills and wave power machines and electric cars, but in the time frame we need change, -- right now -- it's far more effective.





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Kathryn Kelly
December 12th, 2006

I came across a carbon offset site through the Guardian UK website. They have a carbon emissions calculator for flights. Since it is hard to convince people to give up air travel - the carbon offset idea is one which people could be encouraged to use - just as the greenchoice option is a good idea to support renewable energy.

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Eva Schlottmann
December 22nd, 2006

Dear Craig, nuclear power is not the answer. It is death and disease, clothed in white. Read Helen Caldicotts book, published this year "Nuclear Power is not the answer...." Windpower is great, wave power and tidal. Google them, you will be blown away with the growth of these industries. I have signed up for 100% solar power with Origin Energy, for only $20.-- more a month. 1300 79 14 59.

Love your festive season - sustainably, Eva.

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Mari Read-Andia
January 23rd, 2007

Everything this present government suggests is intended to please big business and keep coal and nuclear companies as the mainstays of business. Coal is dirty and nuclear is dangerous. Nuclear power is expensive, unreliable, and the waste it produces cannot be made harmless with our present technology. Burying it deep in the earth does not solve the problem, it merely hides it. The technology for clean energy has been around for years, and if it hadn't been for the oil and coal companies we would using it now as a major source of energy. The Liberal government will never endorse clean energy, and the Labor Party has too many agendas to get the process going. In the next election, vote Green and give them the majority in the House to flex their muscle so we regain some of the values we as Australians hold dear.

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nicole tomson
February 4th, 2007

both major parties are scrambling to find a Climate change position>The Labor summit in late March early April could easily turn into a managed greenwash event which heads us up a business as usual path. It doesn't have to be like that. If enough of us turned out putting a coherent message containing % cuts in co2 renewables targets and a real Carbon tax etc we could get them to agree to meaningful action
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Miriam Brace
February 5th, 2007

I wonder why one small suburb like Newington, at the Olympic Site has recycle water policy and yet the State/Federal Governments don’t make it part of all development sites.

Come on the pilot worked. Yes there is a cost, but that is why we pay the taxes, it’s time to have standard water policy based on recycle water and two sets of pipes over Australia, one for drinking and one for everything else. Common, most folks are pay $2.50 for 500ml of standard water in a bottle and yet we only pay a few cents when we turn the tap on. We can use the old pipes for recycled and lay down new pipes for the “good” drinking water, then maybe we will all stop buying bottled water, and save on land fill in the process.

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Mary Dracup
February 5th, 2007

After reading Tim Flannery's The Weather Makers, I'm thinking seriously about getting an active solar system for my rooftop - generate a lot of my own power and feed the excess into the grid. However, it's disheartening that it's going to cost me a lot of money to do this. Apart from writing to Malcolm Turnbull and my local Member and asking them to make this a more feasible action for ordinary Australians to take, what else can we do? Is Get Up interested in taking up this issue as part of its environmental campaign?

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Margaret Tarr
February 6th, 2007

I would like the Government to pass laws immediately so that all new homes and business buildings have to be self-sufficient, i.e. solar powered, have large enough water tanks to catch water off their roofs to be self sufficient, have grey water storage tanks underground and distribution facilities for this, all storm water to be diverted into central catchments (well filtered to catch rubbish and plastic so it doesn't get to the ocean) for re-use on parks and gardens, general irrigation where required. Homes and buildings need to be build to take into consideration the local climate, i.e. Australia requires verandas or eves of at least 1.2 metres to shade out summer sun and let in winter sun, insulation, direction and placement of the building in relation to the sun's transit, the planting of deciduous trees (shade in summer, light and warmth in winter, fire retardant - and these trees are not, contrary to some beliefs, high water usage, infact , in my experience, they have the same water needs as many native eucalyptus trees, and they don't fall over as easily). Many countries of Europe (& I believe New Zealand) already have individual premises which are self-sufficient and use 90% and 100% renueable energy and emit a very low amount of greenhouse gas.

All vehicle manufacturers need to re-tool NOW and only produce alternatively powered vehicles with virtually no harmful emissions. Many new jobs would come from these changes, but new training, and re-training schemes and apprenticeships need to be set up immediately.

Better incentives need to be given to assist people to commence using solar in their homes and businesses.

Windfarms seem another excellent way to go, but these need to go ahead NOW. The birds will work them out quite quickly, and compared to the carnage on the roads, are comparatively safe. If renuewable energy use doesn't happen very soon, global warming may mean that the rare birds are made extinct anyway.

Many containers that we buy food in in the supermarkets need to be recycleable or at least biodegradable i.e. margarine and yoghurt containers, meat trays - think of all these millions in landfill.


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Kasey Stanfield
February 12th, 2007

It has been estimated that just one eighth of the total biomass produced annually would provide all of humanity's current demand for energy.

Source:

http://www.science.org.au/nova/039/039key.htm

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Dr Geoff Pain
March 1st, 2007

I write to request your support to secure ALP preselection for the seat of Brand.



The key difference between Gary Gray and me is that he supports Uranium mining in WA and the industry in general, whereas I am a lifelong opponent with scientific credentials.



I helped organize the Walk Against Warming (should be called overheating from now on) as part of the International Day of action on Climate Change where we got 5000+ concerned citizens to march through the streets of Perth.



As only 46 of the local ballot potential of 223 members turned out last night, please use your influence to see that any of your network living in Brand exercise their democratic right this Saturday morning.



Looking forward to an anti-nuclear Caucus,


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john jamieson
June 27th, 2007

Hi

I think all this man-made global warming stuff and how CO2 is to blame is total rubbish.

Does that mean Im not welcome at get up anymore?

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Libor Konicek
June 27th, 2007

Have you seen, the great global warming swindle?, if not, you should because it may influence how you think about the CO2 causation issue. There are other forces at bay, and that movie by the wanker Al Gore did get an acedemy award and was applauded by all the merchants in hollywood: so there must be an alterier motive to promite it. No ?
I was going to send link for movie on Google Video, but its gone, hmmm . .
I wonder why ? ? ? LOL

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Libor Konicek
June 28th, 2007

For anyone interested in what is really at stake, please go and check out what the president of Czech Republic, Vaclav Klaus, has to say about Global Warming not being at risk BUT your FREEDOM. Its TRUE !

Mr Klaus writes that “global warming hysteria has become a prime example of the truth versus propaganda problem” and the issue “is more about social than natural sciences and more about man and his freedom than about tenths of a degree Celsius changes in average global temperature.”

http://www.ft.com/klaus

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Naomi Leago
July 2nd, 2007

An end to all weaponised conflict, and the weaponisation of space, is a great contributor to the degradation of OUR Environment Particularly the use of pleutonium weaponry. Have a Look at a film called 'blowing in the Wind' about birth defects incured in present day Australia as a direct result of fallout radiation from plutonium and uranium weaponary .Frontier Films. Love and heartfelt Peace Naomi

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Anthony P J
July 6th, 2007

Global warming is a myth invented by communists and propogated by doom-saying celebrities and anti conservative / anti business political groups. It is a new religion and a cleverly disguised attack on capitalism - and it's working.

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Kevin Davies
July 6th, 2007

Can't believe all the dopey comments about global warming by people basking in hysteria. Get real people this is the biggest scam in the history of mankind. Gore could not give a stuff about the environment. He has set up scam to rip off gullible people. He has started his own carbon trading company. So has Maurice Strong who set up the UN part of the scam. Gore wouldn't sign a pledge to reduce his carbon footprint. He owns land which pollutes through zinc leaching into river. He helped Occidental Oil purchase oil leases from the government. Check out these facts about your messaih. Kyoto is a waste of money because emmisions have increased since it was formed by the countries that was stupid enough to fall for the scam.

If Australia shut down and resorted to the stone age it would not make a scrap of difference to the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Make sure you all watch the Global Warming Swindle when it comes to the ABC. Makes more sense than the tripe put out by Gore.






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Ron Chapman
July 6th, 2007

G'day cobbers,
The current booga booga about CO2 causing global warming is part of a long range plan by the global ELITE ie the bankers (the last cabal)to further enslave Earth's population by increasing power costs. Apart from the fact that zero point energy could be harnessed to solve virtually ALL Earth's power and pollution problems (and even a real attempt to use cold fusion and other alternative energy sources could drastically reduce pollution AND power costs) the last cabal will not allow those technologies to be effectively used. Global warming and its consequences are due to cosmic influences, especially greater energy inflows from the Sun and the central sun of this galaxy. That influence cannot be halted, so we need to adjust. Continuing to use coal, oil and natural gas is not the answer whether we sequestrate CO2 or not. What is needed is a radical increase in personal and hence collective consciousness by as many people as possible. That is why "GETUP" is such a good concept.

The film 'The Great Global Warming Swindle debunks Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth' and all the rest of the New World Order (last cabal)propaganda on CO2 being the source of the global warming problem. THIS "Getup" article is part of the problem, it is not the solution because it furthers that erroneous viewpoint. IF the CO2 booga booga is true the planet is already toast. But in fact higher temperatures will benefit the planet (after the drastic initial adjustment phase when, for example, sea levels rise very considerably and radical seismic activity causes massive Earth changes in various lands and seas). Why? because higher CO2 levels will encourage greater vegetative growth so that agriculture will be able to feed more people.

Cobbers, it is time to step outside the matrix and review your own comfortable paradigms. The times they are a changin' and so are we! The day of the last cabal is all but over - and their various puppets (like John Howard and his government) will disapear with them and their vicious military and black ops henchmen. Don't waste too much energy on the so-called Labor alternative either - the Lib/Labs are really one homogenous entity that serves the last cabal. If we are to change our world -let alone our corrupt governance, we need to junk the current NON-democratic political system and introduce one that is based on LOCAL consensus and needs. THIS forum and its democratic structure and genuine societal goals is a suitable blueprint to follow to reconstruct our forms of political and social governance. EVERY person has a right to be heard - not just the power brokers and so-called experts. Let's aim to LISTEN to everyone, that way scams like the 'CO2 creates global warming' fear mongering will be debunked more quickly. Moreover, scams will not reinforce the matrix because the matrix will be eliminated. As people use the internet to relate and communicate, and obtain real news about our world, the current corporate media monopolies will die and with them will go the power of the last cabal to program people and their beliefs.

Because governments and electorates do not want to change, the probable outcome is going to be Earth changes which will prevent widespread continuing use of foreign oil anyway(as oilfield topographic structures collapse and sink as a result of having so much material extracted leaving large spaces beneath the land surface. In other words, whether we want to or not, Earth changes will force us to grow up. Each must stand in his/her own truth and stop living by the dictates of others. Let's do it!

Peace
Ron

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Guy Jones
July 9th, 2007

"ItÂ’s simple. We need to eliminate millions of tonnes of heat-trapping carbon dioxide from the thin and vulnerable layer of our earthÂ’s atmosphere "

This quote from the introduction is ALARMIST it gives the feeling that we are literally breathing Co2.

In Fact ! 98% of all greenhouse gazes is water in suspension
in the atmosphere the remaining 2 % is shared by CFC ,Methane , others and Co2 which is 0.05 % of this not even a fifth comes from human input.

Co2 stays up in the atmosphere yet scientific reports from satellites probes indicate no change in temperature up there (rather cooler than hotter)

I agree to work toward a better technology for a cleaner environment .Where I disagree strongly is that the people are asked to clean their act when in fact this consumption system was pushed to us(supposedly ) for economic benefits.

Considering the Astronomical amounts of BILLIONS spent on wars and atomic research and development,wasted(and polluting).We could instead have been enjoying solar energy and electric cars for the last 20 years.

But those WHO PROFIT from the black gold have kept us in a
cloudy state of mind creating a world of their own where their wealth HAS TO COME FIRST .(often as recently by mean of wars under false pretenses )

In conclusion , we should at GETUP demand a levy on profits made on petrol without rising the price.( from extraction to retail)including part of the government share .
Then put all that money in solar energy and electric cars development . Guy

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getpolitical
July 11th, 2007

I am sure we all agree that the upcoming election is a chance for Australia to make a stand and re-invest ourselves in our political, social and environmental future. In a time when inspired political leaders are so rare, it is editiorial, forums such as these and books such as High and Dry that will be the key force for educating and motivating Australian's towards a better future - if only we could all be as courageous as author Dr Guy Pearse when it comes to putting our comfortable 'status quo' lives on the line to make a moral stand.

I strongly recommend reading his book High and Dry: John Howard, Climate Change and the Selling of Australia's Future. This insiders story on Liberal Party environmental policy will hopefully go a long way to getting the truth out there before we go to the polls later this year ...

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dhome
July 19th, 2007

Hello,
I’d like to contribute to this debate.
I would first like to start by saying that a lot of the argument seems to be one group wants to continue to do things inefficiently and, ultimately, very expensively on many levels; and the other group want to achieve improvement in resource utilisation efficiencies.
The scientific debate on mankind’s detrimental effect on climate has been going on since the early 1960’s. Data to prove or disprove this linkage has been collected and analysed in an organised scientific manner since the 1970. The vast body science now clearly points to “something is happening” which does involve humans.

There are, as I see it, essentially two issues:
1.How many of us are there on this planet using its resources?
Any rational reflection leads from the proposition that if the activities of sum of the human race are largely responsible for the ACCELERATION in global temperature; then either a) each of us is having a bigger effect on our habitat than each of any previous generation or b) there are more of us having roughly the same or greater effect than any previous generation and that this effect is more the habitat can support without changing.
For those interested, I can recommend looking closely at Figure SPM 2 on page 5 of the Summary for Policymakers, IPCC 4th Assessment Report, Working Group 3 which shows that since 1970 the has been a steady linear increase in both world population and world GDP/person. This leads to the inescapable conclusion that both a) and b) are occurring simultaneously. The worrying sign is that in the period 1990-2004 there has been acceleration in the GDP/person. That would be the effects of two large economies, China and India, moving into full industrial production to service their more affluent populations.
Something to bear in mind when reading the IPCC reports so far is that they are measuring the effects of CO2 emissions already in the system and can not reflect the affect of this 1990-2004 acceleration. The consequence of the pre-1990 human effect was to increase global temperatures by 0.5C. The predicted consequence of what is “coming through the system” is +3 to 5C – that is what will happen if we, all us humans, vaporised today. So while we bicker about the colour of the liferafts; the clock ticks on to a future above +5C – like it was when dinosaurs last roamed the earth and not the last mini-interglacial period a thousand or so years ago.
The population side of the global climate change debate is getting very little attention paid to it. Our friends in Canberra (the current environmental realists) are even paying a subsidy to have an extra child so that it can meet it’s commitment to its employee’s superannuation fund! The 1950’s Populate or Perish catch-cry is still being uttered today when any rational person can see that altering the conjunction to “and” makes far more sense given the situation.
Without in anyway wanting to appear as a misanthropic greenie; common experience predicts a sad future for any species that reaches such plague proportions that it overstresses it’s habitat.

2.How efficiently are we using our resources?
Here we come to the nub of the current debate in Australia. The answer, as many global companies new and old, are finding out; is very poorly. That is why there are such massive financial rewards in developing and marketing “new” technologies to improve such things as power generation, water utilisation, transport and building design and food production.
Australia, in keeping with its focus on inefficient carbon technologies, will and is missing the boat entirely. The proposition that coal can be made “clean” is at least 10-15 years of (remember the clock ticking it way above +5C.) This government’s total in-activity in meaningfully supporting technological research into developing products and markets for more efficient technologies means that solar panels initially developed at the UNSW and Sydney Uni are being made in China, California and Europe and sold back to us, that Germany, in subsidising every person with a roof or field to install solar panels and sell the surplus generated power back to the grid, is on target to develop 25% of its base-load power from renewables by 2020 – can you begin to imagine the competitive advantage that will give Germany manufacturers when we are paying US$150/barrel of oil!, that almost every wind turbine installed in this country comes from Denmark, that every day that passes makes it more inevitable that Australia will have to go the nuclear route just to be partly competitive, that those nuclear plants will have to be the yet-to-be designed sodium –cooled variety because by the time they are built (+20 years – remember the 5C clock is still ticking) we will not have sufficient water to cool them. Btw France with 90% of it’s power generation coming from nuclear, has in the last 2 years shut 5 of its 58 stations for that very reason and Australia is a lot dryer than France.(except maybe the Ord River basin which may begin to explain the resumption of Indigenous leases in the north).
Where are the solar furnace power generators that Los Angeles uses for base-load generation today and is adding to today? Where are the long overdue improvements in water storage and utilisation – the Kingdom of Ur (roughly where Baghdad is – Baghdad with summer temperatures of +42C) in about 2000BC had covered storage reservoirs (cisterns) and covered viaducts to supply its thriving economy with water; in 2000AD we have still use open dams and open channels! And we grow cotton and rice in a semi-desert – we could learn from the Uzbek experience of the disappearing Aral Sea but, arrogantly, we don’t…. the list just goes on and on.
By any measure of any parameter – but particularly in fixing a price for carbon that can effect the market – a truly government responsibility, we are appallingly profligate and there seem to be many people arguing long and hard to remain that way. A recent study in our closest cultural homologue – the UK, found that graffiti and dog turds on the footpath were more of a concern than global warming.
Why would I, a 60 year old engineer and self-assessed sane person; not be filled with doom and gloom?
But, hey, have a nice day!

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Dodo
July 20th, 2007

I've been an active opponent of nuclear energy use for at least 4 decades. Now I see some benefit (at a price, of course) in going ahead with Nuclear Energy development.

A last-ditch defence from the global hordes trying to escape famine, thirst, heat/flood exposure as the world changes.
Not a pretty picture. Some might say 'I'd rather die first'.

We all die, of course, but the manner of dying is important to some. In defence, or in a state of compassion?

I believe Climate Change is a reality (though the cause has no consensus amongst the best brains on the planet), and though it makes good biological sense for everyone not to dirty our nest (globally) I think whatever we do is puny to whatever nature does.

Those people on this site who propose practical efforts for reducing our dirty-nest impact - yes, take note of them.

Those (far fewer) people who propose ways of dealing with the inevitable consequences of climate change, - yes, take note of them.

(To those people who say Australia didn't sign up to the Kyoto agreement. Well, really, it doesn't matter. ONLY ONE of the signatories got anywhere near to achieving the targets. And many other factors come in to play each year.)

The way forward - look to your own survival strategy. It may not be enough, mostly it depends on where on the globe you live, but it will be as useful as anything else (and it depends a lot on your definition of 'your own').

Nuclear energy to defend our patch?
The question is, what will you do on your patch - the choices are quite basic:
(try to) defend at any cost,
or extend what help you can for as long as you can to whomever you can.

Ultimately, the earth will survive - although many species, including ours, will likely perish.
That probably isn't a bad thing.

I fear for my children and grandchild. But all things pass.
I still live my days optimistically because the alternative isn't 'living'. But I mentally prepare for the worst.
Currently I'm deciding where to relocate to. Three billion don't have that option, I know. I'd like to die somewhere away from the seething frenzy. I think that's the best I can hope for.
What about you?

On the other hand, I could still get run over by a bus tomorrow.
But it's still good for the soul to ponder on all these matters. Helps us to decide, fundamentally, what kind of an individual we each aspire to be.

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Ross Hopklins
August 8th, 2007

I hope all those so called enlightened people below who advocate "The Great Global Warming Swindle" realise now that the title is in reference to it's self!

As for Al Gore, he is human like the rest of us. What's more important is what we do now and continue to do in the future, not what we did yesterday. Accountability of government and industry to the Australian people is a good start.

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Helen Hutchinson
August 12th, 2007

The only debate now worth having over global warming is the kind of energy regime which is necessary. Nuclear power is not an option because it is too dangerous for the same reasons it has always been too dangerous - poisonous, longlasting toxic residues for which no-one has been able to devise a safe repository. In addition it is the most expensive option, and the top grade uranium ore has the same problems as oil - it is non renewable. Finally the solutions to the above problems with nuclear energy will be too late. The rise in atmospheric carbon has already been set in place and we must deal with the consequences now, not in ten or fifteen years.
The only rational course of action to follow is to replace our present reliance on fossil fuels by first addressing wasteful uses of energy and then by using a combination of renewable energy sources at different levels. Personal installations such as solar panels on houses, small scale local installations such as community wind generators and larger scale corporate ventures (perhaps even government owned) such as large scale wind and solar, or geothermal.
In this way we can address the present crisis, deal with the rapidly disappearing oil resources and have a cleaner, healthier environment.

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Helen Hutchinson
August 12th, 2007

I should also have urged greater support for parties other than the two present dinosaurs, in particular the Greens.

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