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A Nuclear Future for Australia?


Posted on the campaign blog , March 21st, 2007
Most Australians realise that significant action must be taken to arrest the climate change that is already taking place. Only a lonely handful of stubborn politicians and sponsored scientists cling to the idea that humans are not having a serious and dangerous impact on the world's climate, with alarming consequences for us and future generations.

The solution, however, is a point of much disagreement. One of the greatest bones of contention in Australia is the role nuclear power could play in replacing our energy needs. Proponents say our abundance of coal is matched only by our abundance of uranium, critics say any benefits are far outweighed by the costs.

That is why the nuclear debate is so divisive - parties on both sides of the divide are split over what is a deeply emotional issue. So GetUp has compiled a list of ten reasonable questions that our decision makers need to answer before any nuclear commitment is decided on. What is the real value of nuclear power as a response to the climate crisis in Australia now?

Q1. Can nuclear power solve the climate crisis in time? How many nuclear reactors and how long would it take to make an appreciable difference to the atmosphere?

This is one of the biggest arguments against nuclear power as a ready solution in Australia. Coal-fired plants could not be replaced fast enough to make any real difference. A 1000-megawatt nuclear power plant would generate between 2 and 3 per cent of Australia's current electricity consumption, so around 30 to 40 such plants would be required to replace coal-fired generation. These would take decades to build, making nuclear power anything but an immediate solution to cutting Australia's emissions. Constructing these plants would emit so much carbon that it would take 40 years just to break even - by that time it could be too late to reverse the damage already done.

If nuclear power output was doubled by 2050, that would only result in a 5% reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. Experts say that a 50% reduction by 2050 is necessary to stabilise atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gasses.

Q2. How do the costs involved in nuclear power compare to other power sources, ie. the costs of construction, operation, maintenance, fuel and subsidies? Is nuclear power really 'too cheap to meter'?

Experts say the costs of developing a domestic nuclear power industry would be prohibitively expensive - much too expensive to attract private investment without massive government subsidies. Between 1956 and 2000, Canada's state-owned Atomic Energy of Canada Limited (AECL) received subsidies totalling about $18 billion.

The last 20 reactors built in the US had an average cost of US$5,000 per kilowatt of capacity. This is comparable to current solar technology. New plants will probably be cheaper, but compare the current prices for large-scale wind power and natural gas plants - $1,200 and $1,000 per kilowatt respectively.

A study in Canada compared the cost of power from its latest nuclear reactor with existing natural gas and renewable plants. It found the cents/kWh cost for nuclear was three times greater than natural gas and 2.5 times greater than renewable power. The cost of renewables will significantly reduce with proper investment in new technology. Nuclear will never be cheap, because of the safety costs in using a complicated and dangerous technology.


Q3. The operation of a nuclear power station itself does not directly produce greenhouse gas emissions, but what emissions are produced by the mining, milling and enrichment of uranium; the fabrication of the fuel rods; the construction of the power station; management of nuclear wastes and dismantling of the station at the end of its operating life? Does this outweigh the benefits of not directly emitting CO2?


Mining uranium for nuclear power is extremely energy-intensive, so nuclear power is in fact a considerable source of greenhouse gases, despite not emitting them directly when generating power. Nuclear energy life-cycle emissions include emissions associated with the construction of the plant, processing of the fuel, routine operation of the plant, the disposal of used fuel and other waste by-products, and the decommissioning of the plant. Significant emissions are produced at every stage of the nuclear cycle.

For low-grade uranium ore, the total nuclear fuel cycle emits more carbon dioxide than a gas fired power station. High-grade uranium emissions are less than gas-fired power, but the world only has enough reserves to last a few decades (if nuclear energy use does not expand), so emissions from the nuclear fuel cycle will increase.

All power sources generate greenhouse gas emissions at some stage of their life cycle, whether it be in their construction or operation. Nuclear power also uses an incredible amount of water. The Olympic Dam uranium mine in South Australia extracts over 30 million litres of water from the Great Artesian Basin daily.


Q4. How safe is nuclear power? What are the chances of another accident like Three Mile Island and Chernobyl?


Chernobyl and Three Mile Island are only the best-known nuclear accidents. There have been at least eight accidents involving damage to or malfunction of the core of nuclear power or research reactors, and many minor accidents. At least five nuclear research reactor accidents have resulted in fatalities. There have been other serious reactor accidents which did not involve core damage or malfunction, and a number of power reactors have been found to be in a serious state of disrepair - such as the American Davis-Besse reactor in 2002. Accidents occur at other stages of nuclear life cycle also, including in reprocessing plants, waste stores and other facilities. Radioactive emissions are routinely generated throughout the nuclear life cycle.

Safety concerns are not limited to the ex-Soviet states. For example, the Japanese nuclear power industry has been in turmoil since the August 2002 revelations of 29 cases of false reporting on the inspections of cracks in numerous reactors. There have also been a number of serious accidents, including fatal accidents, at nuclear reactors and other nuclear facilities in Japan in the past decade.

A major accident in a light-water reactor - the large majority of the reactors - can lead to radioactive releases equivalent to several times the release at Chernobyl and about 1000 times that released by a fission weapon.


Q5. What is the truth on the storage of nuclear waste? Can it be safely transported and stored? Can we rely on distant future generations to continue its safe storage?


A by-product of the nuclear fuel cycle is radioactive wastes, the most hazardous of which is 'high-level waste', which accounts for over 95% of the total radioactivity produced in the process of nuclear electricity generation. Currently, about 14,000 tonnes of spent fuel are produced annually. Each new reactor in Australia would produce about 40 tonnes annually. Not a single repository exists anywhere in the world for the disposal of high-level waste.

About 1% of nuclear waste needs to be stored for hundreds of thousands of years. New technology is being feted that would reduce this to about 300 years by 2030, but even then we would be relying on several future generations to continue to store and protect these repositories. Many countries view Australia as an ideal location for waste repositories.

The transportation of nuclear waste has a very safe record, but as nuclear power expanded, so too would the frequency of transports. The spent fuel of a typical nuclear power station contains 200kg of plutonium per year, which can be used to create nuclear weapons, and you only need 10kg to make a bomb. Scavenging of abandoned radioactive material has also been a problem in developing countries where people are unaware of the risks.


Q6. What are the risks and implications of sabotage and attack for nuclear reactors? Can we ever really completely ensure the security of these facilities?


Nuclear power plants are potentially attractive targets for attacks because of the importance of the electricity supply system in many societies, the large radioactive inventories in many facilities and the potential or actual use of civil nuclear facilities for weapons research or production. Nuclear facilities have been targeted in the past leading to their destruction - such as the attack by Israel on the Osirak reactor in Iraq. Reactors cannot be sufficiently protected against a terrorist threat.

Attacks are also conceivable on storage facilities, reprocessing plants and during transportation of radioactive material. The radioactive release would be smaller, but in unforeseen areas and unsecured places. There are several scenarios that could lead to a major accident at a reactor.


Q7. Once the nuclear genie is out of the bottle, is it possible to restrict its use to "peaceful" purposes? How can we ensure the enriched uranium and plutonium used for power generation is not used to construct nuclear weapons?


There are 60 countries that have built nuclear power or research reactors. 20 of these are known to have used their 'peaceful' facilities for the research and/or production of weapons. In most of these cases the covert military uses were limited or brief, and there are dual-use technologies with military and non-military capabilities, but in India, Pakistan, Israel and South Africa (and possibly North Korea and Iran) nuclear weapons have been produced under the guise of a civil nuclear program.

Research reactors are potentially useful for the production of radioactive materials for a 'dirty' bomb (in which radioactive materials are dispersed by conventional explosives), as well as for the production of conventional nuclear weapons. The materials, knowledge, and expertise required to produce nuclear weapons are often indistinguishable from those needed to generate nuclear power and conduct nuclear research. This is also an issue for Australia's uranium exports, which without proper safeguards may fuel the fires of future nuclear weapons in our region.


Q8. How reliable are nuclear plants in terms of producing energy? How prone are they to breakdowns that would interrupt the supply of power?


The nuclear industry has always predicted very high reliability for nuclear plants of around 90%, but this has seldom been realised. 15 years ago the average reliability worldwide was about 70%. Now it is at over 80%, but even new plants are having some reliability problems. High water temperatures can be an issue for nuclear power generation, and plants have in the past been susceptible to storms and flooding.

After the massive blackout in North America in 2003, nuclear power plants automatically went into 'safe mode'. This power remained offline until those plants could be slowly taken out of 'safe mode', while coal and oil fired plants were brought back online. Ontario's nuclear power generation, 40% of their power, has been plagued by problems that result in the plants being taken off the electricity stream, and having to be put back on it at considerable expense - driving up the price of electricity and government subsidies.


Q9. What are the health effects on local populations and what environmental damage is done, especially as reactors age, from the leaking of radioactive material and other hazardous materials?


The permitted levels of radiation exposure for workers and the public are dropping as new research consistently finds harmful effects at lower levels of radiation. Radioactive emissions are routinely generated across the nuclear fuel cycle, especially as reactors age, but the fear of widespread population contamination is generally overstated. That said, routine releases and accidental spills of contaminated water from mining operations have poisoned major fisheries and threatened the health of local communities. A Canadian reactor had a heavy water leak in April 1996 that released radioactive tritium into Lake Ontario, contaminating drinking water supplies.

The mining of uranium results in a considerable amount of environmental damage. A 2003 Senate Inquiry into the regulation of uranium mining in Australia reported "a pattern of under-performance and non-compliance", and recommended changes "in order to protect the environment and its inhabitants from serious or irreversible damage".


Q10. Given these questions, why should we use nuclear power over renewable energy?


Many of the fears regarding nuclear power have often been overstated, creating an irrational level of concern in the population. In several facets, nuclear power is comparable to other forms of electricity generation, including many renewables. The fact remains, however, that nuclear power poses problems that other means of power generation simply do not have. There may be very good safeguards in place that reduce the chances of nuclear misadventure, but these small risks would be eliminated entirely with the use of alternative sources. There is also a large volume of evidence suggesting that nuclear power would be more expensive than alternative forms of energy.

Nuclear power may cut emissions, but it only reduces greenhouse gas emissions in comparison with fossil fuels, rather than renewable energy sources and energy efficiency. Given the time it would take to make Australia nuclear, and the ongoing costs involved in doing so, many suggest that it would make more sense to develop safer and more immediate solutions. With a national energy efficiency target, for example, experts project a reduction in the need for new power stations - energy efficiency investments would pay for themselves in reduced bills before a nuclear power station could generate a single unit of electricity.

This debate must be framed in terms of a comparison with other sources of energy, not just on the merits of nuclear power in itself. Nuclear power is used almost exclusively for electricity generation, which is responsible for less than one third of global greenhouse gas emissions. Experts have already modelled a pragmatic economic evaluation of how to achieve emission reductions in the Australian electricity sector without using nuclear power - their argument is that it would make more sense to start implementing these measures, rather than embarking down the long nuclear road.


Before any decision is made involving nuclear power as the way forward for Australia, our decision makers must satisfactorily address the nuclear concerns raised above. Rather than an emotional debate fuelled by vested interests and old prejudices, we need the legitimate issues regarding the role of nuclear power in Australia's future to be adequately answered, and we need them answered before it is too late.

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Michael Bell
March 22nd, 2007

Nuclear Power is a very minor player.

For those who wish to meet global warming head on, the mind-set change will be much more daunting than that being canvassed in the present debate. For example, organising our energy requirements to reduce carbon emissions, is is a very small part of counteracting the effects of climate change.



Meeting Global Warming head on will cause a global headache, simply because Homo sapiens is not accustomed to making decisions for future generations. This challenge is far, far greater than any since the last Ice Age and that was made by efficient gene transfer only, because Homo sapiens had no influence whatsoever on the outcome.

This time the actions of Homo sapiens will influence the outcome. Activities, not in order of magnitude, which will affect how much the planet heats up during the next century include:- Burning fossil fuels; War; Growth; Tourism; Free Trade and International trade; Space Exploration; Mono Culture; Oil products; Airline amalgamations*; Deforestation; Transport; Privatisation of National utilities; Cattle husbandry; Energy consumption^; Global sporting and other events; Consumer goods; Packaging; Construction (including infrastructure, dams, levee banks, deviating rivers, highways, power plants, pipe lines, buildings etc.).

Coupled with decision making with respect to the above Warming activities, must be the following Essential Sociological Activities which must be addressed if any consensus is to be reached. Theses include:- Consultation with and acceptance by the members of the United Nations; A comprehensive plan for accommodating refugees from future inundated and draught areas; Development of alternative energy sources^, particularly for the majority world; A time framework for relocating towns, villages and cities situated below 20 metres above sea level; Preventing untreated sewage and waste of any kind entering the sea; Species protection; Promoting energy efficiency; Fast tracking health and employment in the majority world.

Perhaps this is the Head Ache we have to have

* Three million people board planes every day, and that is set to increase, which is what amalgamations are all about.

^ Nuclear energy is not a separate issue deserving of special attention except to say that it is the least attractive and not considered an alternative source


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Niki Brand
March 22nd, 2007

Having read the above 10 questions it seems blatant to me as an average Aussie that nuclear is not the right path for Australians. Nuclear energy will be neither sustainable nor economical, and fails to reduce pollution due to enormous Co2 emissions during the preparation of uranium to fuel the power stations.

Strike one, out!

After this there are health concerns, terrorism concerns, diminishing supply of uranium, unreliability, accidents, quote: “Chernobyl and Three Mile Island are only the best-known nuclear accidents. There have been at least eight accidents involving damage to or malfunction of the core of nuclear power or research reactors, and many minor accidents”

“A major accident in a light-water reactor - the large majority of the reactors - can lead to radioactive releases equivalent to several times the release at Chernobyl and about 1000 times that released by a fission weapon.”

Do we want to live with this kind of threat on our door steps? No way!

Also do we want Australia to become the world’s nuclear waste dump for hundreds of thousands of years?

Will our children ever thank us for the mess we leave behind us?

Are there safe alternatives? Yes

All we can do is vote to express our non nuclear view by choosing to vote for a candidate who stakes a real interest in climate control and non nuclear sustainable energy for Australia’s future. Please don’t sit on your hands; it’s your future too.

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Tom Bolton
March 24th, 2007

Nuclear energy is another centralised, monolithic, single point of failure approach... vulnerable to a variety of potential problems such as mismanagement, engineering failure, as well as Enron-style political and economic manipulations and disruptions. On the other hand, low-tech distributed systems such as wind and solar could provide redundant networks of localised energy supplies, leading to a more robust overall system (something like the internet) that would be much less vulnerable to overall catastrophic breakdown. Solar in particular, offers a path towards a significantly higher degree of resource-autonomy for households and communities... and therefore promotes the possibility of greater political franchise, as people are not so much at the mercy of the government and corporate agendas of the day.

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simon peters
March 24th, 2007

i cant see where else to place a comment?anyway for me nuclear is a no go! rather a solar panel for each house hold feeding back into the grid..I have a problem with govt finacial figures eg:20 + million aussies 7 million+ tax payers, billions in credit card debt a 4 trillion futures super fund(untouched)and a proposed 10 year nuclear progamme at 18+ billion?HUMANISE THE FIGURES TO A PER HOUSE HOLD LEVEL PLEASE. so if there are even 10 million rooftops aussie wide and the current cost per pannel installed is $4,000.. the cost before govt tender to reduce unit price is 4 billion.. well so all my figures are wildly wrong..I dont care cause all their figures may as well not exist as they are too big for me and meaningless. Regarding Clean Coal.. there is a company in QLD Linc energy pioneering clean coal technology.. everyone uses this catchy word like a fashion statement but what does Clean coal mean? this company is the only egsample of a soloution i have found, possibly someone knows of more. Thanks. P.S Al Gore has done more for the world than anyone in history..thank god he was not elected president.

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Suzi Tooke
March 24th, 2007

So Rudd and Beattie are now saying they will allow - encourage, even - the expansion of uranium mining - ignoring the wishes of the people and the devastating effect on the planet and our environment.

I know if I vote Liberal I'll get nuclear - mines, power plants & waste. If I vote Labor, will I get the same?

What happened to the promise, Kevin, of being "an alternative, not an echo"?

At least the Greens have been consistent on the nuclear issue and will not change their minds to satisfy big business.

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Janet Dean
March 24th, 2007

It's obvious that the only reason we have to have a nuclear debate is because powerful people somewhere can see a dollar in it. By no objective analysis can nuclear power be seen as a solution to global warming for Australia. The reactors that are currently functional in the world should operate using what's left of the high-grade ore until decommissioning is due. But given the inherent massive production of greenhouse gases by construction of plants and the refining of low-grade ore it just isn't logical to build new ones regardless of issues of waste and leakage.

The other important point is that the huge private investment and public subsidies that would be required to build nuclear power plants here would be far more effectively used by constructing an interconnected national grid peppered with wind/solar farms, geothermal power, distributed power (individual's solar panels/windturbines) and the odd gas-fired power station if deemed necessary. This would provide stable, base load, exceptionally clean power with distributed financial returns. Ah, now that's the problem, not much in it for the big guys. Call me cynical, but it makes sense to me.

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Janet Dean
March 24th, 2007

And another thing.....

The recent federal political mud-slinging was triggered by the questioning of the revealed meeting between the PM and powerful nuclear industry heads. He's obviously very concerned that his networks and behind-the-scenes planning is not uncovered until it is a fait accompli. We cannot allow this travesty to occur.

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Belinda Pearson
March 24th, 2007

Can anyone help explain the workings of an electricity supply and demand system?



My understanding is that coal fired power stations provide a steady baseline supply(natural gas and nuclear would be similar) that is currently supplemented at peak times (in SE Australia anyway) by Hydro as the water is released from holding dams. Solar and wind power are added to the grid when the sun doth shine and the wind blow but neither can provide a baseline supply.

As I understand it, electricity storage costs are high in terms of batteries ... has there been any improvement in this?



Mark Deissendorf(?) wrote that energy used in construction of a wind turbine would be "paid back" in 4-5 months of generation.

Are there similar figures for solar? Specially this new film being developed.

Is there any way of investing in the development of this technology, as apparently the government does not?

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M Oxenham
March 24th, 2007

I am aware of these issues because of a document partially funded by our own government, A Study by Energy Strategies for the Clean Energy Future Group. The authors go on to provide necessary emissions cuts through a range of alternative and renewable energy sources with a viable economic transition. Their target was a 50% reduction by 2040. Nuclear was not a needed component in achieving this goal.



The study was a success with the authors, Dr Hugh Saddler, Dr Mark Diesendorf and Richard Denniss indeed completing the integrated energy supply shift within the given timeframe and economic constraints.





I am simply asking, why, if the government has proven the viability of this transition does it not implement it. Could it be that distributing some of our power supply out of the hands of companies, and into smaller networks, be affecting our right to a clean safe future?

Is the ability to make money from power sources in the long term, sabotaging efforts to shift funding and infrastructure to sustainable sources?



I want to hear our leaders speak the truth they already know. I want no more sabotage. I want accountability. I do believe we can and will ask for no less. No more bumbling distractions.



I want to plan a really inspiring future. Not listen to projections of doom. Let's act!


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Gay English
March 24th, 2007

Nuclear power is another furphy. it is not the magic bullet. we need to develop and implement on a major scale, a suite of renewable energy sources and the encouragement to use them and build them into all of our homes; and the penalties for abusers of our environemt.

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Wendy Gumpl
March 24th, 2007

Dear Mr Howard, be brave. Say sorry & farewell to your cronies in the fossil fuel production sector. Open your eyes to the clean green natural solution available to every australian - solar power. When you put govt support (& the $$billions you are funnelling to the fossil fuel industry) into photovoltaics, it will become cheap enough for every australian to produce their own energy. We dont need another power station, not now, not ever!!!

breathe deeply. we'll all thank you, especially our children & grandchildren.This is too important to fail to act now.

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Sarah Westein
March 25th, 2007

Thank you GetUp, for this great overview!

I was amazed to recently learn of the exemptions from many state and federal Acts (including Environmental Protection and Freedom of Information) that the uranium mining industry has been benefiting from. How many people who are in favour of more mines are aware of this? I wasn't, until recently, and am astonished at how little I have known for so long. Please continue to raise awareness!

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Dick Taylor
March 26th, 2007

I didn't think I could be any more convinced before that nuclear energy is insanity, but now I am! Nuclear energy generation has no place in the future of a world so generously blessed with alternatives. Governments’ enslavement by the coal, oil and nuclear lobbies should be an embarrassment to anyone involved in decisions concerning our world’s future, and none of them should harbour any illusions that the voting public can’t see who is pulling the strings. Any Government, present or future, which does not have the courage to lead the world towards safe and clean energy generation does not deserve to be in power.

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Reinhard (solawiz)
March 26th, 2007

No Nukes anywhere!!!

let's get real about the real world, I know we contribute to global warming, but how come if we according to experts are producing 25 Million tons of poison of which 50% is absorbed by forests oceans,etc. but nature produces 400 Million tons of which rainforests produce 30% - 40% of methane gas that also contribute to destroy our atmosphere. Doesn't that mean that whatever reduction we create couldn't possibly change or turn around the warming of the planet? Please explain if you can what difference we can make.

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Marie Dow
March 26th, 2007

Monday 26 March 2007

Surely the massive quantity of greenhouse gases produced by the construction process of nuclear power plants rules them out, since steadily reducing our emissions from now ( ie today ) must be factored into each comparison of ways to generate more power.

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Paul Falzon
March 27th, 2007

I want Australia to become the lucky & clever country again. We need to spend all monies developing the green power industry. Lets make it so cheap to produce green power as well as influencing transport health and education so that we take a holistic view of our environment and society. We plan for the future, not just 5 years ahead as we currently do.



I also want to make a point that depleted uranium is a by-product of this nuclear injury. Just one particle has a half life of abour 4 billion years and in causing cancers and birth defects in the former yugolsavia and Iraq. Lets stop this once and for all.



We used to be the lucky and clever country, lets get back there to where we used to be, use our brains and our hearts so that we can live in a sustainable society.

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Richard Middleton
March 27th, 2007

Belinda Pearson at 12:59:16 PM.. Look up Vanadium Flow Batteries



Reinhard (solawiz),, We are the bale of straw on the camels back..



Uranium is not the only viable nuclear fuel.

Thorium reactors are a very real alternative.

Thorium has many attractive properties, not the least of which are a) much lower radioactivity b) much easier to control c) much less waste anyway d) can be used to "dilute" weapons grade plutonium into a fuel grade (thereby using old warheads as a fuel..)

http://www.resourceinvestor.com/pebble.asp?relid=16813



The answer is a carefully integrated schema, using many energy production and retention systems, all of them clean and green, none of them under the vested interests of greedy and self serving politicians or other narrow interest groups.

Government subsidies (they have more than enough money to waste, lets do something useful for a change..) are too small and too circumscribed.

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Joan Biddle
March 30th, 2007

As the recipient of more sun-hours than a lot of counttries it is obvious that the development of solar energy should be, and should have been a priority for Australia

Together with wind power these would supply a considerable amount of necessary power, and here in S.A. we have several companies working towards the generation of power from hot rocks deep within the earth, and this geothermal energy could supply all of Australia's needs without the dire risks of nuclear, and sooner, with less cost.

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Chris Atkinson
March 31st, 2007

Yes, this is an emotionally charged issue. So lets strip back to the facts - I do support this site but can we please have some acknowledgement that manufacturing solar panels (and wind turbines to some degree) also generates a substantial negative impact on the environment.



Come on people, if we want to be taken seriously then lets take a decent look at both sides.



Cheers

Chris

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Andrew Barr
March 31st, 2007

I heard an investment banker talking about nuclear on TV. In a nutshell, he said he wouldn't go anywhere near it. Such people aren't stupid - they can see the massive public reaction against nuclear, and that drives up investment costs immensely.



So who's driving it? At this point, I would say its mainly the govenment. If the government can win over the electorate, they might be able to cajole the investors with subsidies.



So what's driving the government (and, apparently the Labor party)? God only knows. I suspect its an ideological fixation with big techno solutions - and it might have something to do with some plum contracts for John's mate George's mates at GE.

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Ian Stuart Brown
April 2nd, 2007

Nuclear Power is like a beautifully produced fast car built without brakes. Gets you to where you are going in style, and with speed and grace, but uses a shitload of resources and causes a real problem when you want to stop, and displays scant regard for other users of the road. So lets all get aboard the Johnny Howard nuclear fun bus, with a one way ticket on a road to no where never getting off because we don,t know how to stop the bloody thing.

Get real, I,d sooner walk, ride my bike or push my scooter. At least I can stop and smell the roses at my own choosing .

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Stephen Lomas
April 3rd, 2007

Efficiency & economic issues aside, I object to nuclear power solely on the grounds of its danger. Put aside the threat of an erroneously motivated group damaging a reactor for terrorism purposes, consider the everyday threat that a nuclear facility poses.



The damage potential from any error in operation or construction is just too great - we won't be looking at just an annoying cloud of smoke or a bad smell that will eventually dissipate. A nuclear error will harm a lot of people over a large area for a long time.



Then there's the waste issue. Storage is of course the obvious problem. This stuff will be around for a very long time. There is no way we can guarantee the security of any structure or geology to be 100% effective for thousands of years.



Yet the greatest danger I see is in the movement of nuclear waste. Establish as many safety procedures & regulations as you want. How many incidents would it take to devastate a population? Just one. One loose bolt, one faulty o-ring, one cracked container, one inattentive moment by a driver, operator, escort officer... anybody. One truck in a ditch, one derailment. And this error can occur anywhere between the plant & the storage facility - within a major city, an urban area - even in a rural area moderately or sparsely populated, the health & ground contamination risks are too great.




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Patrick O'Leary
April 3rd, 2007

I am disappointed that Getup hasn't been able to marshall a campaign around the expansion of uranium mining being debated at the upcoming ALP conference. The export of more uranium to China and India as forecast is highly dangerous to our region and only contributes to the nuclear lobbies push for more waste dumps and reactors. Don't forget Australia is currently looking at developing a waste dump in the Northern Territory which, once established, will be an open door for politicians to convert to an international high level dump. Several prominent politicians including Bob Hawke have already argued for this. One could imagine pro-nuclear sections of the labour party supporting this also. There is an inextricable link between more uranium mining, more reactors and more pressure for waste dumps with all the inherent danger the list above canvasses. The Labour party is about to take another step down that path unless Rudd's direction on this can be overturned. Getup supporters should be emailing every labor delegate to the conference they can reach and demanding that they do not expand uranium mining any further. Short of that ensuring that the Greens get a huge swag of first preferences in any polls and elections is the only thing that will strenghthen the hand of progressives within labor to hold against the tide of the pro-nuclear laborites. If Labour decides they don't need to win Green preferences or poach Green votes to win the election then you will quickly see their environmental position on a range of issues deteriorate

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Emille Boulot
April 3rd, 2007

Why must we forever be looking down, rather than looking up and out. It seems that big mining companies are strong lobby groups in regards to government policies. What about RENEWABLE sources? Or must we be continually trying to desecrate the earth?

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Roy Cutts
April 3rd, 2007

A couple of questions for Malcolm Turnbull:



1) Given Ian Campbell’s environmental concerns, do you intend to follow your predecessor’s lead and determine how many Orange Bellied Parrots would be irradiated by 25 nuclear power plants ?



2) Would you advise the safest non-nuclear place to live would be in an Australian marginal seat ?



Bennelong for instance ?

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Hilary Tyler
April 5th, 2007

yes, can we get a petition going for not overturning the 3 mines policy at the ALP conference this month?

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Gilbert Louttit
April 6th, 2007

I have always been opposed to neuclear in all its forms, indeed I was involved as anactivist in the 80's. It is good to see the research you have done comes down against in this current debate ... and thanks for doing it.

The only viable solution solution I see to Global Warming is for humans to become less dependant on the forms of energy that cause it, and ultimately that needs to include not just substituting dirty forms with renewables, but being willing to make personal and social sacrifices.

If we aren't feeling compromised, restricted and hemmed in by comparison to how we Westeners used to live then we are probably just paying lip service to the change needed.

This is fundamental - if we really are to save the biosphere, then the economy MUST take a downturn. It's not just about a cleaner, greener lifestyle (which nowdays can be commodified, packaged and marketed); what's needed is a complete paridigm shift to where voluntery poverty is not a dirty word and doing by hand is desirable. The political IS personal.

Lets all re-read Schumacher's 70's classic "Small is Beautiful".

Check out Richard Hienberg and the "Relocalisation Network"

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Jennifer Gibson
April 6th, 2007

If I have to live with nuclear Power generating energy in Australia how do I control the pressure caused by the ever present threat of disaster for me , my family, the people of Australia and all that makes up this beautiful land.

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steve
April 6th, 2007

Solar Power is the most practical solution.

The tec. is there already and most of all its free from the sun. My home runs fully with a 12 volt system 13 solar panels on a sunny day produces more power than I can use.

We are a bassic home with all mod cons but we do turn everything of at the switch.

Good Luck, we need it.

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Caspar Brace
April 7th, 2007

I completely agree that these ten questions need to answered fully before any serious descision can be made about the incredibley committed and irreversible descision about nuclear power can be made by our REPRESENTATIVES!

Who are these people and where do they live...lets post out their addresses and enable us common folk to stop them on the street to ask, face to face, why they are selling the present and the future down the 'economic growth at all costs toilet'.

Who do they think they are...?

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Julian Grundy
April 8th, 2007

Nuclear power is neither the answer or necessary.



I would sooner chuck the whole Liberal party in a furnace than have nuclear foisted upon us but then we would still be burning fossil fuel, wouldn't we?



This country is crying out for some real leadership, vision and statesmanship and I think we might have it in Kevin Rudd.



God speed.

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Penelope Jane Trevor
April 10th, 2007

These are ten very well drafted questions. Thank you.

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ANNETTE BROWNLIE
April 11th, 2007

Thanks for clearing this up! Now how about a campaign to halt uranium mining. As we all know now the earth is not really divided by national boundaries! we all live in the same atmosphere. If there is a danger associated with nuclear power production here, there is a danger anywhere it is in operation, such as the countries to which we are currently exporting uranium. These include Japan, USA, China to name a few. If the nuclear corporations get their way it will include India and maybe Indonesia. Indonesia is right on both our doorstep and some very unstable fault lines in the earths crust!

And apart from all that..........we dont have time to mess around with the debate on nuclear power- our survival depends on immediate reductions in greenhouse gases and the only way to do that is to reduce consumption and start building today, non carbon producing energy technology such as windmills, solar and geothermal plants.

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Damian Richardson
April 12th, 2007

Nice questions. Ofcourse we need to go down the path of renewable energy, and "no" nuclear power will not help us & our environment enough for the future.

I honestly cannot see ANY difference between the Labour & Liberal parties when it comes to making a concrete effort to moving towards full on renewable energy!



"Chris Atkinson " say's,

"I do support this site but can we please have some acknowledgement that manufacturing solar panels (and wind turbines to some degree) also generates a substantial negative impact on the environment."



Yes they obviously do generate a substantial negative impact on the environment. Just how much I'm not sure! I do think that as technology develops that these solar panels & wind turbines will produce much more power than they do now & will far outway staying with the old fossil fuel power production of current.



Clean coal or "carbon sequestration", Seems to be talked about a lot from both the parties. There are three possible places to put carbon that is captured from burning fossil fuels: in the deep ocean, deep in the ground in geological reservoirs, or in plants!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that captured carbon go somewhere someday? Also leaking would be a real possibility!

Clean coal sounds extremely dirty to me!

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Lisa Lucken
April 13th, 2007

Thank you for the Questions and factual Answers on the subject ot nuclear power versus other ways of getting the sought after energy. Through first hand experience of being in Germany during the 1986 nuclear disaster in Russia I strongly oppose any nuclear developement anywhere in the world. I lived through the fear of being utterly powerless against toxic radioactive clouds & rain that spoiled food air and water for everybody! Something one cannot see feel smell hear until one comes down with cancer. It is terrifying! We need to learn to love nature & recognise all the wonderful free gifts she has in store for us who are for the benefit of all living beings, Plants an all.wholistically.

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Richard Powell
April 13th, 2007

Yep, nucelar power does not stack up to well against other forms of generation. One of the few 'benefits' are using up our Uranium reserves. I can't see a need, since other countries will still want exports.

We have a very large land mass for our size and that puts us in a great position for using renewables. Pity overcrowded countries like Singapore, China, Japan, England with few options.

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Shay Rutherford
April 17th, 2007

i am not interested in nuclear power plants of any description in Australia. Put the money into solar and wind power for gods sake - why is it that the people with the power and the money have the fewest brains? Think of the children's future, think beyond tomorrow and the hip pocket - in fact think hip pocket and solar is the answer! Put money into our amazing inventors, CSIRO have always been at the cutting edge with bugger all funding. Have faith in our ability to find a safe way, a clean way, a way that will last forever. Some times i just despair in any government having the brains to make the right decisions.

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Tanya Plitsch
April 17th, 2007

I'm greatly relieved to read this blog. But we dare not take comfort in each others' words. I am surrounded by a comfortable middle class who are so busy worshipping the dollar that they have no opinions on the nuclear issue at all. I imagine that the even more tightly strapped working class have even less time and energy to worry about the 'nuclear threat'. This is the real challenge we face - to wake Australians from their slumber.



Yes, there is the odd letter to the editor in the papers, and for those mildly concerned enough to read them, they may be bluffed into thinking "all is well", " 'we' are having our say", but the government carries on with its agenda regardless, and in this way our free and democratic press deludes us into thinking that we have a voice. In reality we are being silenced. It is now democracy (and no-longer religion) that is the opium of the people. The nuclear debate and preferable alternatives needs wider coverage, we need to get people on the street talking about it. How?

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Tanya Plitsch
April 18th, 2007

Drew Barr - Yes, what is driving the government to go down the nuclear road?



My guess is the "oily dinosaurs" (Shell, BP, Caltex, etc) who have long suspected oil might one day become unviable for many different reasons, have placed their chips in the nuclear square long time ago. And as we are aware, these corporations pretty much dictate politics.

As for Johnny and George, I have no doubt that they aspire to be the nuclear arabs of the 21st Century. How rich we could be! What a great economic partnership! And George would only be too happy to update our defence systems at the same time to alay any fears we may have. Never mind that we down-under get to dig the 'Bush John' to bury the pooh long after they've passed away.



I heard Mr Howard say during Parliament over the radio that, being so fortunate in having such abundant supplies of Uranium we would be foolish not to exploit them, to export them and use them ourselves. I was filled with fury and sadness on behalf of our beautiful planet and the life it sustains. Can we not have a leader that says how fortunate we are to have this uranium here in Australia to make sure it never sees the light of day!? We will have to make sacrifices - this would be a good start.

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Challis Tilbrook
April 18th, 2007

Too many risks!

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Jen Jewel Brown
April 20th, 2007

Thank you.

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suellen Howarth
April 20th, 2007

Just make sure you see David Bradbury's 'Blowin' in the wind' VERY SOON - BEFORE SUMMIT

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suellen Howarth
April 20th, 2007

You need to get behind David Bradbury and his documentary 'blowin' in the wind'. I don’t understand why Getup isnt doing this. I have been a supporter of Getup for some time now, I marched last November in Byron Bay, I sign many petitions and am constantly promoting the organisation to friends and people I meet. I have had great faith in your organisation. It is of the utmost importance that we address the use and further development of uranium mining in the country. David Bradbury is a credible and reputable film maker, committed to serving the public and he has gathered information that leaves no doubt about the decision whether or not to mine uranium.

It would be a terrible thing if GETUP was so totally preoccupied with supporting the Labor Party, in an effort do be rid of the current Government at any cost, and neglected to act at this crucial point in decision making regarding the mining of Uranium.

Faithfully yours,

Suellen Howarth

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Damian Richardson
April 21st, 2007

Right on "Suellen Howarth ",



"It would be a terrible thing if GETUP was so totally preoccupied with supporting the Labor Party, in an effort do be rid of the current Government at any cost, and neglected to act at this crucial point in decision making regarding the mining of Uranium.

Faithfully yours,

Suellen Howarth "



So true Suellen.

No offence to "GetUp", but isn't it obvious?



Use your nogins folks, & dig deep people, we have a long way to go!

Keep them "ALL" honest!

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Marian Kiely
April 21st, 2007

RESPONSE to Suellen Howarth,

To turn such good work into a Liberal/Labor issue is to demean the positive hard work put in by those trying to ensure that environmental issues are addressed - I for one don't care which party is in, as long as they start addressing the issues, honestly, openly and with full public input. This country should NOT be controlled by corporations wishing to fill their pockets.


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Fay Bannah
April 23rd, 2007

Don't miss David Bradbury's new film 'A Hard Rain'. It is an absolute must. If you, your friends or your family need further convincing as to why nuclear is NOT the way to go, this film provides a credible and convincing argument to keep urananium in the ground.

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Richard Owen Griffiths
April 24th, 2007

I grew up near a nuclear power station in North Wales. While it was working there were always serious safety concerns. Now that it has reached the end of its fairly short life (1965-93), there is the problem of decommissioning. The current official plan is for this to be complete in 2098 - i.e. more than a century after it stopped producing electricity. The cost of managing the nuclear waste is quoted at 348 million UKpounds, and this is only about half the acknowledged final clean-up cost. The total lifecycle cost is quoted at more than 1.1 billion pounds. For details see http://www.britishnucleargroup.com/lifecycle_baseline.php?pageID=85

The cleanup of all Britain's nuclear power plants will cost more than 70 billion pounds, up from the previous estimate of 56 billion. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4859980.stmIf this is cheap electricity, I'd hate to see the expensive kind. If this is responsible government policy then heaven help us when they start being irresponsible. However, even these sobering cost estimates depend on the contentious claim that nuclear waste can be securely dealt with. Britain's advisory body CoRWM recommends geological sequestration but acknowledges this isn't yet technically feasible and it will be 'possibly one or two generations before emplacement of wastes can

begin'. (CoRWM doc 700, 2006: 94, see http://www.corwm.org.uk/PDF/FullReport.pdf). Furthermore it has been recommended that the cleanup company NDA be privatised, which begs the question of whether it can expect to last 100 years without going bankrupt. It also conveniently removes 'polluter pays' responsibilities from parent company BNFL, freeing it to create more nuclear waste with no liability.

Previous generations left the world a legacy of great buildings - the pyramids, stone henge, the Great Wall of China. What will we leave the future - white elephants like Trawsfynedd nuclear power plant, and hundreds more like it?

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Georgina Pike
April 24th, 2007

Response to Suellen & others interested in nuclear power:



Cycle Against the Nuclear Cycle (CANC) will be holding a screening of David Bradbury's film "A Hard Rain" this Thursday, 26th April in Sydney.



WHERE: UTS Ashmore Smith Room (Tower building, level 3 near the tennis tables)

WHEN: Thursday 26th April, 7pm

WHAT ELSE: Imogen Zethoven, Nuclear Campaigner for The Wilderness Society will be speaking at the screening.

Snacks will be served as well.



WHO WE ARE: Cycle Against the Nuclear Cycle (CANCIII) will be your tour guides for the evening. We're a community campaign aimed at exposing the nuclear fuel chain as a cycle of environmental destruction, radioactive racism and nuclear militarism. In June we are setting off on 2 epic journeys to help make Australia nuclear free. One ride departs from Rockhampton to Canberra, the other from Port Augusta to Canberra.



To find out more or get involved:

contact@canc.org.au

canc.org.au

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John Brown
April 25th, 2007

I have read nothing here on the different nuclear power station types. As I understand it one type produces enriched material needing to be stored for however long, can be made into nuclear weapons, very dirty and expensive over the long term - the other does not produce any weapons grade material and waste requires much shorter storage before it is safe - where is your information on this alternative way of producing the power we need?

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David Rose
April 25th, 2007

If each house had a set of Sliver solar cells, Micro-Wind Turbines (http://www.hku.hk/press/news_detail_5533.html ) , and Solar hot water – then might it greatly reduce the need to have nuclear power plants in Australia? The critics of

solar power always say “Ah, good idea, but what about when the clouds and rain come; the solar cells stop generating

electricity.” But during stormy times the wind turbines would still be operating so electricity supply need not diminish to any

considerable degree.







Also, I heard Ziggy talk about how nuclear power can be cost competitive with other energy sources – but has anyone

investigated the ‘end of life’ cost of not only storage of waste into the future, but also the cost of decommissioning nuclear

power plants, a cost which I am sure is very huge, but which remains unreported in the media – I would love to see a program

that investigated the true total cost of nuclear power.


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Damian Richardson
April 26th, 2007

I would love to see our country leading the way with solar thermal power. I believe the technology is already proven to work. I also believe that it can produce a base load power 24/7. Nothing else even comes close to that! Obviously our leaders can't stop digging dirty things out of the ground & producing power from them. How about giving true renew ables that are proven to work a go!



Also so called "clean coal" otherwise known as carbon sequestration, seems to be talked about a lot and is a method that has not sufficiently been proven! The captured carbon has to go somewhere doesn't it.

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Andrew Dunn
April 26th, 2007

It would seem to me that the only intelegent people in Australia and the rest of the world for that mater, are not in politics! You stand there and tell us you know what's best for us but we can see the hands of the nuclear and coal lobies in your back moving your mouth for you!!! Get a backbone and stand up for the people of this country . You are nothing more than a mouthpiece for all those who would continue to emitt CO2 because of GREED. A referendum at the next election woul sort out the question for you! Of cours if there is any justice in the world you will not be there to make such decisions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jeff Lawson
April 26th, 2007

I agree... nuclear is not the answer.



The money used to develop nuclear power could easily go into solar/wind alternatives, perhaps in a mix of localised plants (i.e. our rooftops) and perhaps some larger scale projects for business etc.



But unfortunately the issue of electricity supply for industry has not been addressed by renewable energy advocates. For example, aluminium smelting in Victoria alone accounts for something like 30% of all state electricity usage, not to mention other industry and business. So if we are to go renewable, we need to ask ourselves some questions i.e. can we power industry with renewables? If not, what then - do we shut some industry down? Which ones?



I don't know the answers - but I feel the questions need to be asked, is all.

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Janet Harwood
April 26th, 2007

Well - after reading this topic from GET UP and all the valuable postings - i think the biggest need is to let information GET OUT - to raise awareness !



This is the one great challenge - getting knowledge to the people - to enable support for renewables, to take action on energy efficiency, to allow the making of "common" sense decisions, to facilitate people power not big corporate profits.



How can GET UP now get this vital information out in mainstream awareness?



Thanks to everyone for well made observations and to GET UP for putting it up there.


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Kate Wood
April 27th, 2007

I don't want nuclear power and I turn my lights off, and am very aware of any use of electricity even to do this. Don't eat factory food eg orange juice - orange grows, transport pollution to factory, machines to squeeze, cars to get to work, electricity to run the factory and office, mining for raw materials for glass or oil for plastic bottles, transport, refinery with machines, workers and electricity and another factory to make the bottles, transport to OJ factory, advertising with the use of computers and cars for workers. For a glass of orange juice

It is the same for any food that is not as it was grown. We also need to change our habits. It is making it easier to choose but I do miss stuff. It is healthier. Good luck and I find less is best. I am so scared

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Tass Holmes
April 27th, 2007

Reading the Financial Review Thursday 26th April (page 7), it seems that the Martu people of the central-west deserts of Western Australia have gone mad, and suddenly want to embrace uranium mining! The Martu are the people of Jigalong fame - of the "Rabbit Proof Fence" movie. These people have been strongly opposed to uranium mining for some decades.



More recently there has been increased pressure on them from BHP Billiton, which has the largest iron ore mine in the southern hemisphere at Newman, just along the road to the west from Jigalong, and also from the notorious Rio-Tinto mining co. Rio Tinto is apparently doing a deal with the Martu about uranium mining at Kintyre, just up the road to the north-east from Jigalong.



Suddenly some Martu want to go to Sydney to lobby the government as pro-mining reps. They seem, however, to be misinformed, and somehow have been led to believe that uranium mining will ensure security for their future.



There has been a national meeting - said to be a men's meeting - at Jigalong recently, with delegates from all over Australia. Why is it that I smell a rat?



I would like to ask 'Get Up' to take special notice of this issue at present. And please all readers find out more about this potential disaster and make your voice heard to protest this uranium mining project at Kintyre (and also the proposed iron ore project at Jigalong) before it gets underway.

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Emily Saunders
April 28th, 2007

If Australia proceeds down the path of nuclear power, my partner and I will move to New Zealand. This is not the future we want for Australia or for ourselves. It is also a false economy in environmental terms, as there are many aspects to the environmental problems the world is facing and this will not resolve even one aspect, only allow more time to find a longer term solution. Given the dangers, why even explore it if it likely to exacerbate the situation?

Sit back and watch the brain drain get worse.

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michelle teoh
April 28th, 2007

Todays announcement by Howard that his government will work to estanblish a nuclear industry in Australia ...............

shows that the 'now', 'me' 'mine' and 'give me' attitude is prepared to rip this country apart for their own selfish interests



The irresponsibility of not caring that nuclear is DIRTY and will remain so for generations is incredible



What do we have to to do stop this madness? And don't tell me cast your vote at the end of the year ------ it did not work last time



Michelle

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jo nicol
April 28th, 2007

Kevin Rudd has not won in overturning the 3 mines policy he has lost , He has lost for himself, for me, for australia, the world, humanity and ultimately the plot.

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Greg Keegan
April 28th, 2007

After a mock nuclear inquiry which can only be compared to politicians deciding their own superannuation packages its now full steam ahead for a nuclear Australia.

We have a government that has actively worked against alternate energy since its first term where it shut down the Energy Research and Development Corporation (ERDC) and put all the money into coal.

And tonight they say they are going to have a public funded advertising campaign to win the electorate over to nuclear power.

I think GetUp should run a campaign for Australia to have a real energy enquiry that is independant and a campaign to say "No Nuclear unless we have a referendum"

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Adam Richardt
April 29th, 2007

Perhaps an eleventh question we could ask in these extremely dry times is how much water does each power source consume to create x kW/h...? I think you'll find nuclear way down the list of achievers in this aspect as well.



May I just state that I was one of many who saw this "nuclear debate" touted by the two major parties as an absolute farce. Why isn't this a debate on "power" per se? Why have renewable energy sources been sidelined? Our pollies have a lot to answer for in this case. The renewable energy sector is more than capable of meeting the challenge of creating cheap, accessible and universal power (ie: not just for the rich or the rich countries).



On (roughly) the same vein, it is my firm belief that we should all aim to have self-sufficient housing. Only then will people take responsibility for their emissions and ecological footprint. There are plenty of workable ideas on how to develop and implement policies to make this happen. It's not as difficult as one may think.

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Jacob Richeleu
April 30th, 2007

As a small nation with enviable natural resources, tons of money, important american "facilities" and only a tiny conventional army to protect them, is anyone concerned that perhaps WE might be interested in a covert nuclear weapons program? I know it sounds silly but john howard is a smart man and i do not think that he could be convinced that nuclear energy is viable. however from a strategic point of view a small nuclear arsenal would be an invaluable possesion. any ideas?

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Liz Mackie
April 30th, 2007

I am deeply concerned that Australia is moving inexorably towards a nuclear future. Listen to what John Howard says, and even Kevin Rudd and his party are not holding up their hands and loudly saying "No!"

I believe the best way for us to help the climate change effects is to promote and make cheaper and easier alternative and sustainable energies ie solar, recycling, wind-power etc

I say NO to nuclear energy and nuclear mining.

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Megan Yarrow
April 30th, 2007

Dear Getup,



Thankyou for campaigning hard for David Hicks.



Please use your lobbying power to pressure the ABC to screen David Bradbury's recent documentary 'A Hard Rain'.



http://www.frontlinefilms.com.au/videos/hardrain.htm

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Robyn Spence-Muscat
April 30th, 2007

We couldn't even control something as simple as the buy-back for gun control, without some of our local crooks getting their hands on the guns and re-selling them rather than destroying them...why on earth would we think we can control the proliferation of nuclear weapons.



Tell 'em they're dreamin!



If there was a way our government and big business could charge us for sunshine and wind, them I'm sure the development of those technologies would zooom to the very top of the priority list. Sorry to be such a sad cynic

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Farrell-Whelan Farrell-Whelan
April 30th, 2007

Dear Sir,



On behalf of myself and my loved ones, I implore you to assist with my strong objections to the development of nuclear power stations, the transportation of uranium (spent fuel) on our roads and in our oceans, and the storage of used uranium in our country.



The basis for my objections is the disastrous accident at Chernobyl, and its ramifications world-wide, and other near-accidents around the world that have come to my attention; the risk of ordinary road accidents occurring in transportation, and therefore likely to occur to a truckload of uranium, and I further strongly object to the storing of uranium waste in our land. Anywhere in Australia, for the sake of our future generations.



Wendy Farrell-Whelan

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Hugh Bain
May 1st, 2007

I think I heard that there are approximately 6 reactors in Europe and N America that are to be decommissioned, without replacement currently considered. Even if there is a an eventual increase in nuclear generation for China, India and others, isnt the lead time in the order of 12-15 years. If you were a uranium miner would you be seriously considering becoming part of a large expansion in supply capacity in what in the medium term ie a decade or so, would seem to imply falling demand. Are the lead times on uranium mines of the same order or is there a complete absence of any matching principle here?



Olympic Dam uses a great deal of unpriced water to aid in the early separation and concentration phase of yellow cake (Yes / No ?). Are there alternative processing technologies that dont have ravenous water appettites and where in Australia are there locations that have high yield uranium in conjunction with so much water to spare that there is a zero opportunity cost associated with that useage diversion when we are looking at whole irrigation based agricultural communities having to walk off. Will water provision in a shrinking water land actually prevent any large scale mining expansion?



Something i dont see much about, is the relative potential between say nuclear vesus photo-voltaic for cost and efficiency improvements over time. There seems to me to intuitively be vastly greater potential for unit cost / kV improvements in solar compared to fission. There cant be too much efficiency stuff to squeeze out of fission after 50 years compared to silicon or non-silicon based photo-voltaic volume production techniques, where there may be a huge cost improvement potential when you are talking about knocking out millions of solar panels. Then there is the solar to steam systems that are already being implemented for even baseload in trials in California ( Arnie, my hero). Nuclear is likely to have a rising cost function with increasing generator counts given depletion of richer ore bodies and the hurried implementation speed Little Johnny would have us believe will occur feeding through to construction blow-outs. I can really see nuclear oligopolists like Westinghouse / Siemens whoever makes this stuff not squeezing it for every egregious dollar they can, with a shortage of skilled people in construction and engineering this stuff pushing up CAPEX way over budgets.



I dont think the cost comparisons used in pushing the nuke barrow are inclusive of uncounted externality costs or account for potential relative technology improvement between the different generation modes. As usual, the incumbents in mining and generating get the biggest loudspeakers in the governmental ear in the formulation of policy.

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Johanne Singleton
May 5th, 2007

I wonder if as much time and resources has been invested in the other alternatives, such as wind and solar power, I am unsure if industries and governments interest in nuclear power is not driven by the potential financial gain in the future. Solar and wind research are said to be unsustainable but they are endless, free and mostly problem free options, surely they should be the primary option with nuclear as a possible back up.

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Greg Hardwick
May 5th, 2007

We have known the risks for decades, but alas are we going to forget... yet again? If people want nuclear power - let them have it right on their own backyards. Remember the facts - too expensive and simply not necessary.



As for the comment that solar and wind produces its own set of impacts during manufacture. You have missed the point. Everything has its impacts.

I live on solar power, and only solar power. As I generate my own power, just as in using tank water, you tend to use less. I use far less than what I would on a grid-connected system. That's the real point of living on solar power. You understand where your power comes from and its true costs. It is no longer a case of just flicking a switch with no idea of the real consequences. People need to be informed of the facts and not simply repeat ill-informed rhetoric.

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(John) Paul Jeremy
May 5th, 2007

It is obvious to anyone whose IQ exceeds their age that nuclear is not the way for Australia to attack global warming.

You left out one item in the above discussion - the nuclear industry are renowned for their dishonesty. They make the tobacco companies look like angels.

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Damien Morris
May 5th, 2007

May I refer readers to the excellent, recently released report by international security organisation the Oxford Research Group. This is by far the best summary of the pitfalls of civil nuclear programmes I have come across and demonstrates unequivocally that it is neither a climate change solution, nor an acceptable security risk, setting aside matters issues of waste decomissioning. The report can be dowloaded free of charge at the following site: http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.uk/publications/briefing_papers/secureenergy.php

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Nathan
May 6th, 2007

The use of nuclear power should be reconsidered carefully. We have better or similar options to choose from. This includes renewable energy e.g. wind power or solar energy. These renewable energy are certainly much safer to use and also cost less.



The fact that nuclear power requires to emit greenhouse gases to be made, is a point which should already eliminate the possibilty that it will help decrease the amount of greenhouse gases used.



Nuclear power is also a great idea for any terrorist. They could just come and drop a bomb and leave while the poor city has to perish.



Considering these points, renewable energy certainly is much better than nuclear power.

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Nathan
May 6th, 2007

Nuclear energy. A disastrous idea!



Why nuclear energy? Um... no reason!



Why renewable energy. BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER AND DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT MUCH GREENHOUSE GASES TO BUILD. IT IS SAFER AND WILL NOT INFLUENCE TERRORISTS!!!

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Nathan
May 6th, 2007

Before any decision is made involving nuclear power as the way forward for Australia, our decision makers must satisfactorily address the nuclear concerns raised above. Rather than an emotional debate fuelled by vested interests and old prejudices, we need the legitimate issues regarding the role of nuclear power in Australia's future to be adequately answered, and we need them answered before it is too late.

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Darren Gay
May 7th, 2007

Yes nuclear is a disastrous idea & "yes" renewable energy is obviously the go.



I keep hearing people praising solar power & rightfully so, but why is there only one or two other people hear talking about "solar thermal" ? It is proven to work & unlike solar power alone, it can actually produce "base load power" 24 hours of the day in a country as warm & sunny as ours!



Coupled with wind & other "GEO Thermal" technologies we would be able to power this big place of ours all year round & 24 hours a day. Yes even at night.



The only real major cost would be that high voltage DC power lines would have to be built from those remote places in the middle of our nation out to the cities.



Seriously, the costs would be offset in only a year or so!

The jobs that would be created are huge & it is such an obvious track to head towards for this nation.



Check out this site if you havent already, it's called: Trec - Australia. Trec-Clean Power From Deserts. I think, along with many others that this is the way we (Aust) should go. Please atleast read some of it. : )



http://www.trec.net.au/

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Chris White
May 15th, 2007

Most Australians want Solar. The Government is funding the building of a solar power station near Mildura.



Our PM said that solar cannot generate 'base load' electric power.



However there is something that he didnt tell you.



This is that the solar power station in Muldura is missing the additional parts that would otherwise allow it to do this.



The env. effects statement of Solar Systems pty ltd boasts that enough saline groundwater can be sucked from the earth so that a salt industry could be started and slaine affetced farmland be remediated -



But strangely this isnt enough to permit the construction of even one pilot Hydrogen energy plant - which is our passport to a zero carbon future.



Have a look at the Boeing Pyron website to see not only what is available for 24/7 solar power generation but who is using this new technology and where it is being used..



Also have a look at the press releases of Boeing Pyron - showing how Lion Energy has signed up with Boeing Pyron to do exactly what our PM says cannot be done in Greece and the Middle East dry places with climates a fair bit like ours...Ideal for solar power....



Funny how base load solar is possible in one part of the world, but not possible in sunny Australia.


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Valerie Whitehead
June 11th, 2007

According to New Scientist, May 26, known uranium sources will run out in less than 60 years. Then it will become more and more expensive. Solar, wind and tidal energy will never run out out. I am not sure about geothermal power but this would provide a much better solution than nuclear.

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Jim Wafer
June 28th, 2007

There was an issue of New Internationalist devoted to the so-called "nuclear solution" a year or so ago. It's on-line, and worth a look.

The URL is:
http://www.newint.org/issues/2005/09/01/index.php

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vivian rendall
July 2nd, 2007

There has been an unbelievable lack of action on the renewable energy front from Labor, the Greens and the environmental movement in Australia. It’s action that should be at least as strong as John Howard’s push for nuclear power in Australia. The labor Party although endorsing uranium mining has not shown what they would do as an alternative to nuclear power apparently relying on “clean” coal technology as the major energy source and the Greens voice is snuffed out. Little drive from any of these groups has been shown publicly as to what would be a clear major alternative source of power. And John Howard’s government relies on lack of public knowledge and understanding about renewable power and indeed also hides the real truth about it in bolstering their nuclear and fossil fuel policies. Of course why would they want to do otherwise? And why would they want to announce a breakthrough in renewable energy production that enables base load power with grunt for industry when that announcement would challenge the nuclear and fossil fuel industries? Keep it quiet, throw in confusion and doubt and withdraw funding is their renewable energy policy. Much of this is as a result of fossilized ideas from another century backed up by big business and industry that nuclear and fossil fuel power will be the major sources and will have to be in order for jobs growth and prosperity to occur and that renewables is not capable of it and therefore will have an insignificant effect. Indeed the opposite will be true. There has been a big breakthrough in the renewable energy field that does enable it to provide base load power with grunt for industry and in doing so will provide future growth jobs and prosperity. Using mature proven technology and well understood science and applying it to solar thermal power have brought this about. I refer to the use of cheap simple flat mirrors system in the collection area of concentrated solar thermal power sites and the disassociation of ammonia for the storage of the sun’s energy which turns out to be a simple and cheap thing to do and first demonstrated in May 2002. This closed loop storage system locking up chemically the sun’s energy is efficient and does not loose energy over any period of time either by storage or use and enables 24/7 base power production with grunt for industry or readily medium or peak power on demand in a stand-alone situation not relying on any back up from fossil fuel! This means also that the sun’s energy can be stored for use in the wintertime or for any extended period of time. No other concentrated solar thermal power storage system is able to do this. An explanation of this system is shown on the ANU website and has been developed by Australian scientist Dr David Mills who had to leave Australia due to our government’s unfavorable political policies and join forces in USA with venture capitalist and founder of Sun Microsystems Vinod Khosla in order to build a gigawatt solar thermal power station based on these technologies. And they intend to do this within one year! Renewable energy does not produce CO2 and therefore does not have that burden and the energy is freely delivered. These facts together with the cheap flat mirrors and the ammonia storage system will enable economies of scale plummeting prices to cheaper than nuclear or fossil fuel power. This is when the crunch will come for these industries. Any venture capitalist putting money in the renewable energy industry will be on a sure winner. Based on these technologies a collection area 50kmx50km if it’s in one block but could be in smaller blocks in Australia is enough to provide all of Australia’s energy needs including the production of hydrogen, which is part of the process for motor vehicles. In fact there are plans to provide the whole world’s major power from CSP and using high voltage direct current transmission lines that have only 3% loss. References to CSP can be found at http://www.trec-uk.org.uk/index.htm and http://www.trec.net.au/ and http://engnet.anu.edu.au/DEresearch/solarthermal/high_temp/thermochem/index.php

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Ross D. Hopkins
July 2nd, 2007

SEE "HARD RAIN" BY DAVID BRADBURY...
http://www.frontlinefilms.com.au/

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Ross D. Hopkins
July 2nd, 2007

How much of a part do the large financial institutions, such as Banks & Insurance companies, play in influencing the dogmatic process of trying to persuade Australians that Government knows best? After all it would be much more convenient if Australians remained in debt to large companies supplying the energy needs to business and the public. Rather than to be self sufficient with renewables.

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Sarah Wallace
July 6th, 2007

Hello!
My name is Sarah Wallace and I am conducting a survey on a topic that I am passionate about; attitudes toward global warming and beliefs and knowledge about various energy sources. This is for my fourth year Honours thesis in Psychology at Swinburne University. There is suprisingly little psychological research in Australia on attitudes toward energy sources despite the global warming issue being, in part, a social psychological issue.
It is an online, anonymous survey that takes 10 minutes to complete if you would like to participate.
Here is the link:
http://opinio.online.swin.edu.au/s?s=2235
Cheers!!!

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Kester Moorhouse
July 7th, 2007

Australia is a sunny place. Australia is a windy place and from what ive heard its Geothermal potential is unriveled. We should be leading the world in alternative enrgy sources!

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Kirsti Keddie
July 8th, 2007

So this is our great Mentors plan? Nuclear? Are you joking? Uranium mining?With what water ? Who's land? Its a bloody disgrace.

Where? South Australia? Tasmania? Aboriginal Lands? and the waste? Hmmmmmm? in the dirt or in the ocean? neither are acceptable.

NO WAY!

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Dominic Gilligan
July 9th, 2007

FREE SUSTAINABLE LIVING CONSULTATION

OK, well I would love to see all the excellent bright folk in here make their best shot at relocalising their water and electricity needs (and indeed most of your lifestyles and careers)

I plead with you all to be more self-sufficient in the basic needs to prevent the proposed avalanche of high-GHG emitting mega-projects (mega-pipes and mega-desal) that is now bearing down on regional Victoria (with NO local consultation & no long-term analysis of climate impact)

There is a worrying nuclear horizon - the Federal government has already earmarked our very shores for a nuke power plants - the desal plant (huge) is the bridge to nuclear power in Victoria.

They propose renewables for the desal plant - but they have NO PROPOSAL OR MONEY allocated to build them !

The Brack's Vic Govt have gone mouth-frothingly mad ( Look closely for the bubbles at his lips when he comes out of a meeting with the Federal Water Minister )
So many high GHG emitting projects they have OKed or proposed in Victoria - they just dont get it - the climate change links b/n rainfall and big fossil fueled projects.

Since a political solution is very unlikely, I again urge every person, organisation, municipality to become as water and energy self-reliant as you can - the alternative is a string of GHG or nuclear hungry desalination plants, and the parallel financial bankruptcy of Victoria or even Australia.


WATER ACTION LIST (pretty please)
FOR YOUSE CITY SLICKERS

-COLLECT enough rainwater (maybe even store some townwater as well !) for three (3) summers
-ALWAYS reuse what you use
-STOP urinating in your drinking water !
- If your air-con still uses water- take it to water-holics anonymous - OK, install two roof cavity vents + West/North shading after the air-con crashes
Solution- use the scores of other waterless toilets and methods -or mix with some laundry water and feed a tree - urea is great for food trees.
STOP BURNING PETROL - your lawmower/snipping/blowing is perfect place to start- use a chook, a hamster, native groundcovers like Tetragonia tetraganoides (edible) combined with Microlaena stipoides make a drought hardy, groundcover combo.

HELP IS AT HAND FROM THE KULIN KID ...
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Robyn Cook
July 20th, 2007

I and my friends protested in Canberra against nuclear anything for Australia back in the 70's - my feelings remain the same. Keep uranium in the ground. We have the talent and the opportunity here in Australia to go solar and other alternative friendly energy sources. We should be leading the world in this field.

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Steve Lambeth
July 20th, 2007

The astonishingly outrageous thing is - our "outgoing" Prime Minister, in the final months of his party's reign of power, is hellbent on committing all of us to nuclear mining AND to International power generation pacts! (with America I think)

This is breath-taking.

He wants to commit Australia for HUNDREDS of years at the very END of his political career.

In all seriousness, where is HIS accountability in this?

And all of this is to a policy "off his own bat", that doesn't have support amongst his citizens. Who's country is this?
I'm just plain gob-smacked!

Anyhow, an excellent article that makes this issue even clearer (if that is possible). It's quite simple. No nuclear industry for Australia, and leave the uranium in the ground! For all our sakes.

SPREAD THE WORD.

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Rod McClure JP
July 21st, 2007

Link to a continuing private blog where I compare Global Warming to those loose floppy BLOW UP ADVERTISING DOLLS which are linked, grounded or tethered to multiples of interrelated issues all connected and essential for a sustainable communal society of all life on this planet.
The NEW CLEAR argument is not about the science or safety of the 'modern' bullet proof constructions. The issue is that we do not have the right to commit "X" generations into the future to be left hostage to our sloth and greed and incompetence.
We have not yet mastered the scienc to use this material, it is premature, children never should play with fire.
Blessings to all, love to hear back from you in regard to the blog.
Yours Faithfully
Rod McClure JP

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Suzie Wells
July 21st, 2007

Nuclear - no way, it's expensive and dangerous and it's not like we don't have alternatives, we just need to stop faffing and get on with it!

If we had a coherent logical strategy on national and state levels to reduce energy use and harness sun and wind power, then, I think, Australians would all be on board and make it work.

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Amanda Cowell
July 23rd, 2007

Nuclear? NO WAY

Solar? THE WAY FORWARD

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j
August 6th, 2007

Nuclear power would be a disaster. building nuclear power plants is just the governments way of avoiding the big issue of climate change and the costs of creating power supplys with renewable energy. here are my points against nuclear power
1) the radiation it emits is a health hazard
2) it is potentially deadly due to the instability and chance of nuclear disaster such as in the Three Mile Island plant
3) it is a huge cost
4) nuclear power creates nuclear waste which i think is worse than the gas emissions now for the environment. where will they dispose of this waste?
5) why create nuclear energy when we could create renewable energy sources such as wind power, hydro power plants, or solar power.

sure nuclear power is cheap and effective for the short term but i think we shoud stop worrying about money and think about the damage we are causing this planet and the destruction that will be left for later generations. the future is now and the government needs to realise that the health of future populations is more important than them staying in power. we need long term solutions that are safe and good for the environment!!!

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Andreas Dalman
August 7th, 2007

Nuclear = NO

1. The risks are too large (for leaks/accidents/waste disposal) and the propensity for governments to cover-up accidents and health risks is also too large.
2. It is not renewable
3. we still produce greenhouse emissions using nuclear power
4. Nuclear facilities are potential terror targets
5. Nuclear waste will find its way into weapons one way or another

SOLAR/WIND/TIDAL = yes

1. Renewable
2. Once facilities are built no emissions are produced at all
3. These solutions have been bought out by big corporations who obviously know they are a viable option (threat) to fossil fuels

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August 9th, 2007

A friend of mine has a geiger counter. We walked around the supermarket and tested random products.It was terrifying! Most fruit and vegetables from overseas gave a reading, so did milk cartons. No wonder our children are getting cancer younger and younger when the foods that we think are good for them are radioactive. I am so happy that you are getting up and getting attention. Keep up the good work Get Up. Lynne P

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tjenka murray
August 14th, 2007

now is a time in history when we have an opertunity to use the information available to us all, we can no longer plead ignorence, all our furtures are bound together, there are so many alternatives to work on to achieve a nuclear free future, and to many things that can go wrong with nuclear power, including, contamination , waste, expence and ineficiency, separate politics and business/ money,and look at nuclear rationly, where's the good in it?

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Goat
August 17th, 2007

I think nuclear power is a pretty stupid thing to do. Heres why i think why:

1: It would take so god damn long to build the stations that what is the point in doin it? By thetime its done matters could be so much worse.
2: Although they are saying that accidents with nuclear reactors and getting better, they are still not 100% and i think that when it comes to something as potentially dangerous as nuclear power then it should be at 100% and nothing less.
3: The waste, sure it lowers on green house gas emisions but then there is that horrible nuclear waste. It takes thousands of years to get rid off, plus it is highly dangerous. Now im only 20, but i plan on having kids, i would love to, and then i want grand kids, and so on and so on, but whos to say that im going to get grands kids and so on if australia is turned into a nuclear dumping ground for the world! Sure if australia does become nuclear then we will have to get rid of the waste, but i did not like the statement saying that people think australia would be a great holding place for nuclear waste. They are just saying that because they dont want the waste in their country cause it is so dangerous! Why should we be the nuclear dumping ground of the world.

All in all i think it is a stupid idea. I mean its dangerous and would take so long to build, whats the point something needs to be now, not later.

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Patricia Adams
August 17th, 2007

Governments have ignored the fuel problem until a state of emergency is reached and then they can then do what they like--they think. The whole nuclear question is unacceptable.
We continue to have politicians who abdicate our responsibility to leave a habitable planet for future generations of human beings.

No-one is talking about the huge amount of water needed to run nuclear plants. Why is that disregarded?

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janet marsh
October 27th, 2007

Your commentAs a staunch member of the Anti Nuclear Alliance of West Australia (ANAWA- www.anawa.org.au), I propose that 'Get-Up' persuade SBS to show the 30 minute DVD 'Climate of Hope'. This DVD has been shown by environmental groups all over Australia and overseas. It is currently planned to translate it into 4 other languages including Chinese.
For Australians, it emphasises the disasterous impact of the current expansion of Olympic Dam uranium mine, which at the end of operation will leave a radio-active tailings dump the size of Melbourne.
Get-Up, you are doing a fantastic job!

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Phildeerhound
November 29th, 2007

What I find disturbing at the moment in the Green movement is an emotional and fanatical negativity towards the most likely sources of solutions to our environmental problems. An alarming amount of their material - the material on which their followers make their "decisions" - is bordering on emotional rubbish with very little scientific integrity or realistic political, social and economic thinking

The world is currently having to support a population several times a reasonably sustainable figure. But even with population reduction policies these figures cannot be brought down overnight

In the meantime, in all areas - but especially those related to industrialisation and energy production - we will have to make compromises.

Environmentalists, instead of trying to convince everyone else that in some matters the world is going "way to hell" perhaps need to convince themselves so that they themselves start to make the necessary changes in their own thinking and willingness(or unwillingness) to compromise. Idealism is fine for a general election, but you can't run a planet on it.

In the field of energy the reality is that NO renewable energy system has been demonstrated to work in providing baseline power on a national basis. Even in Denmark, with its brilliant record of promoting wind, wave and photovoltaic energy these systems are only useable because they are backed up by hydro and nuclear generated power obtained from Sweden and Norway and by fossil fuel and nuclear produced power accessed from the European grid via Germany

On this basis nuclear power - the system currently used by 442 power stations worldwide - is likely to continue becoming more popular as a solution - most especially as nations seek to comply with agreements to reduce carbon emissions

Instead of sitting round the fence complaining, it would be far more helpful if sincere environmentalists became directly involved in the regulatory processes. The Uranium industry is currently for the most part complying with the standards set down by government. If you don't like what they are doing there is the point where you should be getting involved

But genuine useful involvement needs to be based on knowledge not emotion and ignorance.

In the case of Olympic the industry has sought to create its own water supply through desalination , thereby developing a technology that may become increasingly important to Australia. Genuine environmentalism would suggest suitable locations, it is emotional Luddism that claims there are none.

Similar with power supply to the mine. The industry seriously considers the use of renewable sources as well as a larger grid connection, again genuine environmentalism would encourage their development of renewable power sources for the industry. Luddism simply says "no".

Outside Australia many environmentalists are beginning to re-assess the nuclear power equation recognising that at least in the short time nuclear power can contribute to a better environment - can even help bring about a vast reduction in greenhouse gas emission

Fanatacism is always ugly. Let's get back to basics and re-examine the options available to create a sustainable energy production system for our planet and how these options can best be safely employed.

The end solution in my belief will be all feasible power systems, from renewables such as wind and wave, geothermal and solar and perhaps biomass, working together with clean fossil fuel technologies and with nuclear power

Baseline power needs are not that likely to be provideable in the short term solely with renewable energy sources. that is a pipe dream. The different systems need to be used together

Bringing these alternatives safely together to mutually support each other in providing the worlds power needs should be the real aim of the environmental movements

I urge all Green supporter to re-exame a multitude of sources of information both from within and opposed to the nuclear industry

The truth is indeed out there but no one group has the virtue at the moment of being its sole and unpolluted supplier.


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John
December 1st, 2007

Well said Phildeerhound

Everyone tells me that nuclear will be too expensive.
But ....
“In France, as of 2002, EDF — the country's main electricity generation and distribution company — manages the country's 59 nuclear power plants, which produce 79% of its power, making it the world's leader in production of nuclear power by percentage. (In 2004, 425.8 TWh out of the country's total production of 540.6 TWh was from nuclear power.)
France is the world's largest net exporter of energy, exporting 18% of total production (about 100 TWh) to Italy, Britain, and Germany, and its electricity cost is among the lowest in Europe.”
Read more here –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France

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Danny Freemantle
December 10th, 2007

The use of nuclear power generation has many serious and extremely detrimental side effects and risks. The only reason we are even considering this option is because we have become so addicted to the high energy lifestyle we are living and are fearful of losing it.
We are even willing to commit thousands of future generations to the responsibility of managing these toxic wastes.
We must come to the relization that our current lifestyle is an anomoly in evolution, is unsustainable and will result in catastrophic failure if not changed consciously back to low energy living soon. Then there will be no need to discuss ridiculous options like nuclear power.

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In the industry
December 10th, 2007

Geothermal is a viable base load energy source on the large scale, and on the individual scale, ground source heating/cooling. Can these be put forward as a better approach than nuclear please?

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phildeerhound
December 11th, 2007

I’m coming back on this one so soon because I think the matter is so crucial to the worlds future.

Danny says “The use of nuclear power generation has many serious and extremely detrimental side effects and risks. The only reason we are even considering this option is because we have become so addicted to the high energy lifestyle we are living and are fearful of losing it. 
We are even willing to commit thousands of future generations to the responsibility of managing these toxic wastes. 
We must come to the realization that our current lifestyle is an anomoly in evolution, is unsustainable and will result in catastrophic failure if not changed consciously back to low energy living soon.”

Firstly I have to give an answer to people that many here, including Danny, really won’t like. That answer is “no”, and it is the answer that people worldwide are giving to the demand they cut individual energy consumption - particularly in those nations that have yet to reach reasonable levels of energy supply. Convert me to the “single lightbulb” cause and there will still be billions who remain unconvinced. Let’s become realistic.

Why should we reduce energy consumption if that energy is available? I am perfectly at ease with rationalizing my usage but it is about as low as I can get it whilst maintaining an acceptable modern lifestyle, Neither I nor the vast majority of people are going to crawl back into the life of a pretechnological society. It is simply not on. I simply have the honesty to admit it. Danny himself presumably communicated to this blog by computer – so presumably he too realizes that the days of wax tablets are over.

The essential point is that we cannot go on producing our energy in a manner that is so detrimental to the planet. The attempt to create clean coal technology is sensible and reasonable . The melding of renewable energy sources such as windpower, wavepower, geothermal, hydro and solar with each other and with other technologies is only common sense. But one such source is nuclear and it is rapidly becoming the key one whether we like it or not. And we need to move quickly.

To suggest that only nuclear power has detrimental risks and side effects is flying in the face of long demonstrated reality. Factor in the vast numbers of deaths in the coal mining industry sometimes amounting to thousands in a year. Factor in deaths and illnesses through hydrocarbon pollution. Factor in the greenhouse gas emission, the cost and energy loss in transporting bulky fuels, environmental damage caused by oil spills, and climate change itself and we come closer to the true picture. The misery of the industrial revolution was largely caused by the manner in which energy production developed. We need to change our energy production path whilst increasing and not decreasing the energy supply. Nuclear power may be one key to a sustainable future

Biomass sources remove land from food production, hydro can cause environmental change, a lesson of the Snowy River Scheme - and Denmarks wave and wind power operates in an environment of fossil fuel and nuclear backup via the european electricity grid. I wonder how many environmentalists realize that last point

Renewable energy does not produce itself as a possible commodity. It requires vast amounts of energy that it is incapable of producing on its own in order to manufacture the necessary plant. In producing renewable power plants excess conventionally produced power is used. And renewable energy still has not succeeded anywhere in producing reliable baseline power. It is a contributor not an exclusive source

I recently did a feasabilty estimate for solar generated electrical power using my roof. Over twenty years the loss compared with putting the capital cost in the bank was over eighty thousand dollars – that is eighty thousand dollars superannuation and a thereby depleted retirement. I can’t afford it especially when the equipment after twenty years would require total replacement at the later capital cost

The toxic waste problem of nuclear power is comparatively easily soluble. Current storage, such as under water, is largely done as a means of allowing radiation levels to deplete safely thereby reducing the final amount requiring long term storage, and even that final amount can be safely stored. The Earth itself has been storing radioactive material for billions of years.

What I am asking for is something already happening in Europe. It is for a rational and informed Green re-evaluation of an energy option that the world has chosen to incorporate into its energy production anyway. Proper use of nuclear power has the capacity to stop climate change in its tracks. We need environmentalists to become involved in the process of safe administration and the development of proper monitoring structures and procedures.

We are very quick sometimes to decry “fundamentalism” in religion – rightly so. We reasonably demand that religion re-examine its “sacred cows” and theology. Within Christianity for example writers such as Spong do this

We need to carry out our own process of re-examination and re-assessment in the environmental movement. Doing this myself I have come to the conclusion that there is a great deal that is misinformed, misguided emotional ratbaggery, and just plain wrong

In the meantime, organizations such as Greenpeace will continue to receive my annual subscription. For my belief is that good people who are wrong, by the act of re-informing themselves can become good people who are right.

The bad tend to just stay bad.

But please let us not treat scientists today in the manner that Catholicism once treated Galileo. Let’s not make the mistakes that the Vatican in the time of the Renaissance made and continues to make, mistakes that set the world back for generations, then and even now.

Phil

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Tim Mead
December 15th, 2007


I would be keen to support an anti-nuclear electronic action should Getup instigate one.

I myself have a reasonable understanding of the physics involved in nuclear fission reactors, and some relevant qualifications. I know many with scientific backgrounds. I do not know any of these people to support nuclear power generation in this country. In fact, it is my experience that the educated position on nuclear power for Australia is to reject it.

Though being "anti-nuclear" was seemingly part of the Rudd campaign, I still think it would be reasonable to remind ourselves and our representatives of the danger of nuclear materials.

Proponents of nuclear power need to ask themselves the question: If something so seemingly innocuous as carbon-dioxide has become such a threat to us over the course of time, then how much more-so have nuclear waste materials the potential to cause catastrophic harm?

Most disturbingly, I have had (indirect but reliable information) information on the haphazard manner in which dangerous materials have been disposed of by this country.

I would encourage GetUp to host an anti-nuclear / pro renewable energy partition to serve as a reminder to the federal government.

Cheers,
Tim Mead

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phildeerhound
October 2nd, 2008

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