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The Intervention...One Year On


Posted on the campaign blog , June 23rd, 2008
Greens Senator Rachel Siewert is calling for a major change in the way we engage with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities grounded in a human rights approach to development.
On the one-year anniversary of the Northern Territory Intervention she speaks out strongly against the 'Emergency Response' and explains why changes need to be made sooner, rather than later.

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We are one year on from the inception of the NT Intervention, and today is a day we should not be celebrating. It has been a long year for those in the NT communities of this paternalistic, top down approach that will make future generations ashamed.

This legislation was a knee-jerk reaction that seemed designed purely to gain election bounce for the Coalition (made even more ludicrous by the recent admission from former Minister Mal Brough that the whole plan was thought up in one 48 hour session), but it was the Rudd Government’s decision to stay the course that has been most disappointing. Frankly, we expected better.

Howard’s original ‘emergency’ lacked the in-depth kind of community involvement necessary to effectively undertake such a radical overhaul of Indigenous life in the territory. Laws were slapped together and rushed through Parliament only to land with a disappointing crash in the laps of Indigenous communities across the NT.

Since that day, most of the money being poured into the NT intervention is being spent on administration and not hitting the ground to address the underlying causes. Imagine what such a huge amount of resources could do to turn around lives in these remote communities, if it were properly thought out and effectively administered in conjunction with existing programs in the Indigenous communities.

Today should be the day that the Rudd Government and the Minister for Indigenous Affairs Jenny Macklin admit they made a mistake in backing the rushed approach taken by the Northern Territory Intervention. It is high time that they returned to the ALP’s core values and committed to an evidence-based community-development approach to Indigenous Affairs that respects human rights and empowers people.

Our Indigenous Affairs Minister, Jenny Macklin is clearly still struggling to resolve the contradictions between the punitive approach of the NT Intervention and the ALP’s philosophical commitment to a social inclusion approach to disadvantaged Australians.

For the whole of Australian history, the commitment of resources to address the problems in Aboriginal communities has been under-resourced. However, after so many years of crying out for these resources, they are now being so blatantly squandered on unnecessary, ill-conceived and ineffectual measures, while successful Aboriginal programs and organisations still go begging.

The Tangentyere Council Safe Families program is a prime example of one of these initiatives. This program focuses on reducing family violence and preventing children becoming part of the child protection system. They also provide limited reunification and placements and a strong emphasis on case management. It is staffed only by Aunties and Uncles from the local indigenous community, with 10 full time Indigenous residential care staff being employed.

The Federal Government used to contribute to this vital program, with 50% of Territory and 50% Federal Government funding under the Family Violence Partnership Program, so now they may face having to lose staff and resources. Current funding will cease in less than three weeks. This program serves as a perfect candidate to receive Intervention funding, and without support from the Federal Government, this community will lose a successful, effective child protection program.

While the resources poured into the NT intervention have the potential to turn around lives on remote communities, more needs to be done to ensure money is spent wisely on the things that actually make a difference, such as the Safe Families program.

The heavy handed and paternalistic approach on the NT emergency response isn’t working and very clearly was never going to work. The Rudd Government has always held up its commitment to evidence-based policy in Indigenous Affairs and yet it is still pushing on with these ill-conceived Howard-era policies, for which there was never an evidence base.

The suspension of the Racial Discrimination Act remains a sticking point and an international embarrassment for the Rudd Government. We do not need the upcoming review to tell us that this aspect of the intervention is and always will be morally wrong and ethically unjustifiable.

When the quarantining period comes to an end, those affected won’t have been educated and empowered to take control of their own finances, because that has not been a focus under the Intervention… and there still won’t be jobs for them to go to. Much more of these resources need to be focused on delivering basic health services and protecting children at risk, on fixing existing houses and building safe new homes for the future.

The Australian Greens today remain united and steadfast in our opposition to the approach taken by the NT intervention. We were the only Party to stand up as one in the Australian Parliament to condemn the intervention when it was announced … and we have maintained and continue to maintain our opposition;
• to the suspension of the Racial Discrimination Act,
• to compulsory seizures of lands,
• to indiscriminate quarantining of welfare
• and to the trampling of the human rights of Aboriginal people in the NT

We’ve had one whole year of this racist policy; of frivolous spending, and of total disregard for the basic human rights of Aboriginal people in the NT. We would much rather see these resources being spent on truly delivering for the Aboriginal communities.

It is not an anniversary to celebrate … it is a call to action.

Sign GetUp's petition: 'Roll Back, Not Roll Out' now:

www.getup.org.au/campaign/RollBackNotRollOut

GetUp has been visiting NT communities affected by the intervention. Click here to view the video blogs!


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Fong of the Inland
June 23rd, 2008

Go to Hell, Rudd! You want people to support you in your battle against the outdated state Labor bosses - but you are attacking and trying to get rid of good people like Marion Scrymgour in the NT, uhh.

Re the ABC Four Corners program "Educating Kimberly" - http://womenforwik.freeforums.org/taking-the-children-away-t48.html

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itztime
June 23rd, 2008

I certainly can't support your petition because the intervention has at least brought attention to the neglect and lack of action by the relevent state governments to the child sexual abuse that has been occuring in remote Aboriginal settlements for many years. It's time these remote settlements were closed down and outback aboriginals encouraged and helped to relocate to areas where jobs and facilities that we enjoy in the cities are available to them.

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roma
June 23rd, 2008

The intervention flew in the face of the Little Children Are Sacred Report recommendations, the writers of that Report have made this point over and over. More of the same is so obviously not the way to go.

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Dianne
June 23rd, 2008

We should be spending money on preventing abuse and trying to teach and empower women and children in these communities. I don't see much work going into, for example, training programs to teach children about acceptable/non-acceptable behaviours and how they can deal with issues affecting them. Having health checks is good, but without support and training in areas of abuse, much of this money is wasted and not making any changes in the longer term.

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joy
June 23rd, 2008

reform in conditions of indigenous Australians can be successful only with consultation with the indigenous people. they know what is needed and what can be sustainable. white people's role is to address these needs and to see they are implemented

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Roy Slade
June 23rd, 2008

From what I read on the weekend congratulations should go to John Howard as the the majority of reports indicated improved conditions in Aboriginal communities. The negative comments centred on the failure to provide funds for the long term, and for continued medical attention.
We should be pressuring the Rudd government to continue the good work with an appropriate budget allocation.

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Muddy1
June 23rd, 2008

Can someone (Getup) please ask KRudd and his government to please send the intervention into the Australian Catholic Chruch.
It has been long documented that these people have no idea about how to take care of THEIR children. We see there poor sad little white faces all the time and it breaks my heart to think that we CAN just walk into there homes and force on them our views of Morality, BUT we dont.
Please Mr Rudd, these people do not know how to look after there children, look at the amount of compensation cases that the church has paid out to these so called Christian people.
Please Mr Rudd suspend the Racial Discrimination Act and help these Middle Class White Hypocrites take care of their own back yard.


Yours in Sovereignty

Muddy1

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Marek Bage
June 23rd, 2008

We were told that the catalyst for the 'intervention' was the horrific accounts of child sexual abuse that was thought to be rampant within Aboriginal communities.
I don't doubt the veracity of these accounts but, can anybody give us an indication of how many Aboriginal children have been saved from abusive situations and how many perpetrators have been charged?

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Julia Barker
June 23rd, 2008

Thank you for being willing to speak out. I am from NZ tho been here for over 25 years. Something is stirring within me to become MORE interested in the roles of the ancient peoples of this wondeful land. We have so much to share, so much to learn. My time is not yet, however thank you for what you are doing.
Regards Julia B

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Hermanus
June 23rd, 2008

Mr Rudd I'm deeply saddened by Labour's attitude on this matter and really thought that you an honourable man.How could Labour support a motion,instituted by a man who said on TV his greatest responsiblity,as Prime Minister,is towards vulnerable children.However under this man children were run down in Australia's detention,so much so that these kids could not mentally function properly anyomore.
Come on Mr Rudd,Labour has taken some honourable steps on immigration,I applaud your immigration minister not wanting to play GOD,but please how can things be left in the hands of people that,for instance dump an old man from an ambulance in the middle of nowhere.I'm sorry to say,but I feel you're not doing the right thing here and at least scrutinise proceedings.

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Fong of the Inland
June 23rd, 2008

Quote Senator Rachel Siewert(?): "The Tangentyere Council Safe Families program is a prime example of one of these initiatives. This program focuses on reducing family violence and preventing children becoming part of the child protection system..."

Its far cheaper and easier for the unimaginative conceited fools in Canberra (all tertiary-educated, of course) to derail such programs and then to turn around and blame the community for the inevitable consequent issues and problems. That saves the government money in the short term and gives the politicians something to enthusiastically whip up a frenzy about.

In other words, and as with many programs for assisting people in the cities, it is an intentionally disabling setup that has been played for decades by ruthless Australian governments. Time and time again, they put a program in place with no real intention of ever allowing it to run its course or to ever be fully-funded.

Thus, they have you all running to them begging constantly to deal with things and they still have the opportunity to endlessly create "children overboard" deceptions to play on the electorate's fears and anxieties. In the meantime, their party 'mates' earn $$millions in consulting fees to solve the same problems oevr and over again.

As far as child abuse is concerned, though, it all flies in the face of the "establishment porn" being supported by trendy city art galleries exhibiting huge nude pictures of naked 12 and 13 year-old girls (and boys) and passing it all off as artistic effort [ http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23745340-948,00.html ]

The trendy executive class, the poofy society elite, the public service mandarins and the pretentious judiciary and coke-sniffing legal fraternity who frequent such events can then get their kicks out of wetting their pants in public with such voyeurism whilst also punishing the poor young models with guilt and shame by sending the police around to interogate and harass them and exhorting the stupid politicians to berate them over and over again.

Nevertheless, as recently as this last weekend, Kevin Rudd has been praising the Intervention for saving supposedly helpless black kids while nothing has been done about the underlying issues with the judiciary in failing in sentencing those rapists in Aurukun. Melbourne University's law school apparently supports such mishandling of indigenous legal cases and has done nothing about it and has remained strangely silent despite native Australian Prof. Marcia Langton's involvement there [ http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/21/2281779.htm ]

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Claire Summers
June 23rd, 2008

Rather than the current authoritarian 'one size fits all' programmes in place --- now is a real opportunity to bring in a much more considered and thought through approach to address very specific and identified communities with urgent problems -- that is most in need in the NT. After 12 months the knowledge of which communities most need it should be readily available.

Targeting of those communities most at risk rather than a scatter gun type of approach is the only way to hope to achieve sustainable change. Connecting and including the residents of the communities ensures commitment and a sense of involvement with the programmes.

Sustained clear support and backup with ongoing on site policing and community protection support has worked. It has worked to address the most serious problems in those remote communities so identified in WA. Being specific as to which remote communities most urgently need assistance and it would work very effectively for the NT too.

After the experiences of the last 12 months Sue Gordon would be able to give some pretty down to earth,informed and sensible advice. If only the Federal government's officials and advisors would set aside their own silent agendas and take on some practical and informed proposals.

Clearly the main problem with what has been done so far is that Federal Government really should not be mixing into areas they have no practical expertise or hands on experience in. Sitting for most of the time in the bubble of Canberra they are totally removed from real Australia. An occasional short term visit simply does not do it. Nor would it appear that listening to the various 'coconut' high profile personages with their own agendas gives best outcomes. Too much centralisation in a country as vaste as ours, with many regional differences isn't a recipe for achieving best solutions to difficult problems such as this.

Utilise the knowledge of 'on the ground experienced' personnel in the State and Territory services and just maybe better, quicker and sustaining outcomes will be achievable.

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Lisa Edwards
June 23rd, 2008

For the whole of Australian history, the commitment of resources to address the problems in Aboriginal communities has been under-resourced. However, after so many years of crying out for these resources, they are now being so blatantly squandered on unnecessary, ill-conceived and ineffectual measures, while successful Aboriginal programs and organisations still go begging.

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Wiso
June 23rd, 2008

There is no way known that I could support your petition to stop the intervention. Until you live and work in close proximity to these people, you can't possibly understand what has improved for them. It has taken 40,000 years for them to reach the degregraded state they are in, so how on earth can you expect to turn that around in one year. Are you stupid, or just plain ignorant. It is attitudes such as yours that has seen so much money wasted on useless programs, and money siphoned out of the coffers by scrupulous 'community elders'. A five minute visit to a couple of communities will not give you even an inkling into the reality of this situation. The women and children of these communities love the safety of the intervention. The violence and humbugging have stopped because there is only very limited funds that are not quarantined, and they can't cash in the cards. Children are receiving medical treatment that they would otherwise not have received, and they are now able to go to school because their homelife is more stable. Until you know what you are talking about, say nothing !! It is going to take generations of intervention to 'close the gap' and turn this situation around, but that won't happen if misguided idealists like yourself have their way. And stop talking about discrimination. It happens in reverse every day in this country, but you don't hear indigenous white Australians crying about it.

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Yourola
June 24th, 2008

I can't support your petition, after I heard a woman say she was happy that alcohol was no longer available in her community and as a result women and children were no longer being abused.
The 4Corners programme showed me there is no one to set any example to those people so they continue with their behaviour. The Monday to Friday boarding school was a great example to improve the children's learning, so that's a start. What does the R.C. Church say - "Give me a child to the age of 7, and we have them for life"??? The children need to be supported and educated.
I don't know enough of the Gov't situation to support your petition. What I do know seems OK. Wiso June 23rd seems to understand the situation.

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Karranjal John Hartley
June 24th, 2008

It is no coincidence in this time of so-called dwindling resources the attacks upon Aboriginal Peoples have escalated

Vested interest and governments have already achieved their objective in the Northern Territory that is to consolidate and cement their control of Aboriginal homelands in order to gain access to future resources.

The objective of vested interest aided by governments is the same as it has always been, continued expansion and theft of Aboriginal country in order to attain increased wealth. Vested intertest and governments have become masters at sugar coating our continued dispossession, we must remember colonisation is a highly refined process.

In our lifetime in this very moment, not in some dark-age of "we did not know any better and our intention were good" right NOW we are bearing witness to Aboriginal peoples being forcibly removed from their birthcountry/homelands either through economic starvation or their community being declared unviable, either way vested interst and governments with tax payer monies and tax payers silent consent, will illegally claim possession of Aboriginal communities.

What is staring us right in the face is the same forced migration and removal our Mothers, Fathers Grandmothers and Grandfathers suffered, it is the very same thing for which Kevin Rudd on behalf of the nation on February 13th 2008 apologized.

Our People have resisted for over two hundred-years and we will go on resisting we must however make the distinction between resistance and capitulation. Waiting for government to do the right thing is an addiction we can no longer afford

The only power vested interest interest and governments have is the power we give them, the only sovereignty that can ever be ceded is that which we ourselves freely give without threat or coercion.

Vested interest, governments and thier advisers would have us believe the only way to address the”problem” is to ensure a western education and now they are linking school attendance to entitlments so we can join the “real economy” but there is a price to all their fine words there is a very high cost we must be prepared to pay and that is assimilation and the end of a way of life.

The time for rationalising away the inexcusable has surely run its course. Its time Aboriginal Peoples to unite and walk away from the oppressors table as cultural subjugation and continued oppression have and will always be, the only certainty Aboriginal Peoples can expect to receive from successive governments acting on behalf of vested interest.

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Ann Sutherland
June 24th, 2008

Dear Get Up,
I'm usually a very keen supporter of your campaigns, I think of them as my campaigns as well.
I'm concerned with the approach you are taking to this campaign. It seems to be falling into the usual heroic, well meaning, name calling but ultimately futile emotive response that has been the urban position on aboriginal issues of the past thiry years.
Like many Australians I almost despair at what might be a useful approach by our community and government to turning around the misery and violence which seems to have become the everyday lot of outback Aboriginal children. However I dont believe for a minute that the solution is more resources (it is simply not the case that there has ever been a shortage of cash, look up the last decades of budgets, state and federal) or more 'community' based programs.
The media, government and official community spokespeople, black and white, seem determined to present issues as intractible, tragic, overwhelming and all-round too difficult.
I t can be broken down into parts that can be addressed. The intervention was in large part taking that approach. Get the kids to school, have basic health care provided, feed them, get the grog and drugs out, provide a framework and support for self management, set goals.

Perhaps our energies could be directed to those white and aboriginal institutions, businesses and communities who have been supplying the alchocol, drugs, schools, police, hospitals, doctors, nurses, teachers, tourism, religious and charity institutions, rural employers, art galleries, the armed forces, services to investigate and understand just exactly where the outback stands on measurable benchmarks of healthy, sustainable communities.
This may all sound overly technical and heartless - but I for one think the caring, but not sharing, approach to aboriginal policy is exhausted.
Regards,
Ann

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Susan
June 24th, 2008

Any reform in conditions of indigenous Australians should only be done with consultation with the indigenous communities themselves.
However, these communities' leaders should also take a hard look at themselves and their people's conditions. I'm an educator and I'm very saddened that there are only a handful of indigenous kids at uni. If they're stuck in their communities, they will not be exposed to the many opportunities available. If these kids are given the chance to further education, they'll be the ones who can then go back and benefit their communities.
Why do you think we get so many oversea students? Because they can get a better education here rather than back in their home countries. The indigenous communities should also be prepared to send their kids to the bigger towns for education especially if there are no teachers willing to go to them. "If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, then Mohammed must go to the mountain. - Islamic quote"
Every action is in your hands, do not depend on others to improve your situations.

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Fong of the Inland
June 24th, 2008

Quote Claire Summers, June 23rd: "Sue Gordon would be able to give some pretty down to earth,informed and sensible advice..."

You have got to be joking, Claire. Sue Gordon is one of the former Senator Amanda Vanstone's people. She is also a magistrate and, despite her own indigenous and stolen generations background, she has bought into the white mans' system and all that implies, especially in regards to legalist philosophy and the concept of private property.

Why do you think she was selected by Howard to run the Intervention along with Dave Chalmers, the Army general if she was not in total agreement with Howard's imperatives? She is on record as totally supporting the Intervention and all that it is being perpetrated by this hateful society.

If that includes digitally raping all young boys and girls in the NT in a supposed frenzy of forced internal medical examinations, then she is all for it. Thus, she is more sick than any white person, uhh. Just as well those doctors all refused - or did they?

If there is one thing about white mans' laws, they are all based on the threat of imprisonment or punishment. It is a warped kind of mentality which was brought to this country by an already-sick English society. Building prisons was their first great accomplishment, even in their own eyes.

Other academics of indigenous descent like Prof. Marcia Langton are mostly strangely silent on the Intervention. The fact that they owe their prestigious positions to a white establishment and that they are thus controlled instead of being outspoken is becoming very apparent.

Langton's asscoiation with the Melbourne University's law shcool is itself odious and, despite her previous involvement at Aurukun in Queensland, she has had absolutely nothing to say about the very deliberate errors of the judge and the prosecutor in that awful rape case recently.

These judges and magistrates are all trained and supported by such university law schools and they callously use people like Langton as a kind of mascot or token blackfella in order to continue to justify their own preciously conceited view of the laws they continually crucify us all with, black and white.

As both the judiciary are law graduates and the politicians too are mostly law graduates and all from the same disgusting schools, nothing will ever change while they are allowed to get away with their sick legalism as a foundation for our society. Pandering to a foreign queen and strutting in their silly wigs and robes, they prevent all possibility of progress.

If any of them were ever Christian, they are fakes as they are all forever protecting themselves through their very cleverly constructed black magic coven of immunity from prosecution. It only exists by precedent and by endlessly backing each other up. There is no genuine basis for their precious institution of exclusive professional irresponsibility.

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June 24th, 2008

A more targetted community based approach with community participation and ownership of programs is more effective and appropriate than the blanket approach of the NT intervention - programs such as theTangentyere Council Safe Families is an example of this, there is much to be done, no doubt, but small steps with such programs and acknowledgement of this is the way to go........

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Roy Slade
June 24th, 2008

To Fong of the Inland & Karranjal John Hartley, it is not appropriate to be using a bong before joining the blog.

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Kathleen Delaney
June 24th, 2008

Your comment

The more things change the more they stay the same! I am very disappointed that the Rudd Government is giving us more of the same, particularly in regard to the intervention. Whilst acknowledging the magnitude of the problem there has to be a better way to solve it than perpetuating this so-called solution thought up by a desperate government in an election year. The sight of demountables just sitting in a yard was just one of the many depressing aspects of the videos.

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Macca from WA
June 24th, 2008

Roy Slade, your lack of intelligence and/or poor attempt at humour only suggests that you are uneducated and wasting precious space on this blog.

I suggest you try a less educated website to post your poor tasting view/s.

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Prometheus
June 24th, 2008

Wiso - 40,000 years? try 200 years. And who expects an intervention to solve the 'problem'. It will take much more than that. The question is why is such a method deemed to be appropriate from any government. Perhaps it is years of overt and deliberate discrimination and neglect; ignoring the needs of these Australians particularly. Unfortunately five minute visit to some of the communities does give you an inkling - so much so we had a government choose to ignore their predicament - practical reconciliation he called it! Unfortunately the corruption of white and aboriginal managers and bureaucrats etc is modeled for us all. Pratt of Visy is being threatened with jail because he was found out to be a thief = lets see if it happens. This example says it all about social and political relationships in this country. BTW who thinks that Howard has morphed into the 'creepin Jesus' PM?

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Evert de Graauw
June 24th, 2008

Lets replace the current act with one that actually MENTIONS children unlike the Howard one. Let's respect the ability of the indigenous communities to provide input to the rebuilding of their society.

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Strong Black Woman
June 24th, 2008

Firstly i would like to make a comment to the below person:
itztime
June 23rd, 2008
I certainly can't support your petition because the intervention has at least brought attention to the neglect and lack of action by the relevent state governments to the child sexual abuse that has been occuring in remote Aboriginal settlements for many years. It's time these remote settlements were closed down and outback aboriginals encouraged and helped to relocate to areas where jobs and facilities that we enjoy in the cities are available to them.


Firstly have you ever been in a remote community for more than a week ?

Secondly are you aboriginal? I am guessing your not!!!! Why don't we sell your house and move you from where you have lived ??? Now would you like that???? I was very dissapointed to see your comment. SHUT DOWN settlements hang on we are now in 2008 not days where aboriginal people were not RECOGNISED!!! Like i said before would you like to be taken out of your home where you have lived all your life a shipped off to a place you haven't even heard of????

As a young aboriginal woman from the northern territory i think the intervention is WRONG & in SOME ways RIGHT!!!! But the only way that we Territorian Aboriginal's are going to get our voices across is WORKING together as 1 and working with our younger generation as that is what is going to make the change. We cannot help on what has happened in the past but WE sure can look forward to the future. I am not living in NT at the moment but visit regulary through out the year. I was hurt to hear some of the stories on when the intervention was FIRST introduced WITHOUT consulting with the people who's lives ALREADY had been affected years ago by the STATE GOVERNMENT!!!!

Sending the ARMY out to the communities COME ON taking us back to the mission days!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The part of the intervention that is good in a way is the income management. I think though that people should be assessed before going on to income Management!!!! A family member has moved down here with me and has been told that the income management is going to follow!!!!!!!
He now has been waiting in a city for his 3 cheques to be transferred to a supermarket down here, he has been waiting 3 weeks for that to happen and is still waiting. Lucky for me other wise he would be starving!!!!!! I think it should be assessed.

As for the children more support agencies need to be put in place. Especially for young women there should be agencies for them to go to like, Domestic Violence, Sexual Abuse, carer building etc etc

Also they should have more role model programs!!!

anyways i could go on and on.

Glad to have found this website.

Mumuck for now

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Senda
June 24th, 2008

I'm appalled at itztime's comment that Aboriginal people should abandon their culture and all become aspirational whitefellas. One of the greatest social achievements of Aboriginal cultures (and there were many of them - still are in Central Oz or Interventionland) is 50,000 years of continuous culture without ever developing government or bureaucracies. What you see in a remote community is so NOT what you get. What is invisible is the complex and rich kinship system of relationship and responsbility that is the Aboriginal polity. The dangers to children, women and elders are greatest where this system has broken down under the onslaught of colonial whitefella political and legal systems. Somehow, whitefella invaders have the only legitimate political and economic system huh?? Get a life itztime.

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pomaus
June 24th, 2008

i am shocked and appalled to read some of the comments on these blogs - wake up australia and stop claiming to be a progressive country when clearly deep down we are a country built on racism that still exists today!
good on ya getup for at least trying to wake up this country - lets just hope more of the members get behind the issue. thanks for presenting this in a clear way too, such a complex issue nonetheless. yes policy is needed but not in this way.
w.h.

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Cassandra
June 25th, 2008

When does the ends justify the means?
This is too complex an issue for any of us to solve from our computer chair.
Every human being has a right to be safe and to have access to opportunities as a part of their community, be it local or global.
It is so easy to judge what is reported as a high rate of abuse in indigenous communities as being a problem with indigenous communities. Thank you Muddy1 for your comments about the Catholic Church requiring intervention. Sexual abuse and violence are crimes of abuse of power. Personally, I was raped at age 11 by a 59 year old WHITE MAN who was a member of very high standing of the local community i grew up in. To this day he remains free and has in fact never been taken to trial due to the injustice of our criminal justice system. My story (and his) is not uncommon.
Abuse and violence do not discriminate on grounds of race. Let us consider the impact of the attempted annihilation of indigenous culture on our indigenous people. its replacement with mass consumerism, patriarchy, MacDonalds and economic rationalism. western culture's gods that we have forced upon the custodians of our land are sex and power. That is what we are socially submissive to, and allow ourselves to be controlled by, through fear and desire perpetrated by the media.
What is required now is education and practical assistance to victims and survivors so they are not subjected to ongoing and unneccessary shame and suffering; and a criminal justice system that hands out rehabilitation and fair consequences for the violation of human rights. (As opposed to a criminal justice system that punishes those who there is enough evidence to convict.)
Let us please stop judging and finding quick fix solutions to problems that require subtle and informed solutions. Cassandra

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Fong of the Inland
June 25th, 2008

How many of you saw the ABC 4 Corners program "Educating Kimberly" about 'taking the children away' from Tiwi Island? And how many of yoy guessed that it was really about smearing and trying to get rid of native Australian MP, Marion Svcrymgour from the NT government so that the white Labor Party know-it-alls in Canberra could have their own perceived righteous way?

Thus the Intervention is being used in many ways by white Australia to exert control over the mining and land ownership in the NT. Strangely co-incidental that this program came along with a decision by the MacArthur River mine owners to block access by traditional landowners to sacred sites.

It all reeks of the very same "extinguishment of native title" methodology used by the Queensland government after the Mabo legal decision to grant native title in 1992. They lost out with the later Wik decision in 1996 but the white mans' mentality of government is to endlessly try to grab it all back.

"Indigenous ownership of land and waters is based on Indigenous laws, customs and traditions. When the High Court said that Australian law recognises 'native title', it meant that the law recognises the ongoing existence of these customs and traditions through which Indigenous people have a connection to their land..... The government is able, however, to extinguish native title to land..." [ http://www.racismnoway.com.au/classroom/factsheets/19.html ]

But, additionally, the ABC 4 Corners program "The God of Broken Hearts" this week is also strangely relevant. it was about a religious cult which divided familes and also effectively 'took the children away'. Although Kevin Rudd has recently rejected the pleas of former members of another sect, the Exclusive Brethren, for a broad-ranging inquiry, saying it would unreasonably interfere with members' rights to practise their faith freely and openly, last year he said the Brethren was an extremist cult whose activities broke up families..... [ http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/rudd-rejects-inquiry-into-brethren/2008/05/17/1210765256428.html ]

I note that my 'Have Your Say' blog comment on the Four Corners Guest Book was deleted because I had made a reference to the writings of a psychologist, Daniel shaw LCSW, who had been had been involved in a cult once himself and was now professionally helping people fleeing from abusive cults. Perhaps the fact that I had mentioned the name of the group, Siddha Yoga, which is still operating in Australia had something to do with that. These kinds of people have 'friends' infiltrating everywhere.

So, why does Rudd now effectively support cults "whose activities broke up families" and how does that relate to his other about-face on the Intervention? Is Rudd a member of some such elitist cult, too? Does that somehow extend to other federal cabinet members? Who are we really being represented by - or led up the garden path by? The Intervention is most certainly white elitist and it is doing its best to break up entire communities and doesn't really genuinely give a damn about anyone's families.

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Itztime
June 26th, 2008

Senda I never said for one moment that aboriginals should abandon their culture but even you must realise that you can't expect western outcomes if aboriginals continue to live in remote settlements. Do you mean by your comment that aboriginals should refuse any "whitefella" welfare and go back to living the way they did before Europeans came here or that we should still provide unlimited "sit down" money and watch a culture die.
It saddened me when I worked in the NT to see the plight of the aboriginals when billions of dollars was being given by the government to groups like ATSIC to ease this plight. Whatever happened to the money?
I live in Melbourne and witness many cultures still thriving so why would not aboriginal culture continue to survive if more aboriginals moved to an area where empoyment and facilities we take for granted are available.

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Claire Summers
June 26th, 2008

Dear Fong of the Inland

Talking on and on along well worn idealogical lines has not and never does work to achieve goodwill, co-operation and best outcomes. No matter why or how such passionate views have come to be held.

We are all 'imperfect' beings affected by our own histories, experiences and self-talk. Truly most humans really do work towards doing the best they can.

Quote from Fong of the Inland:
'Sue Gordon ...... despite her own indigenous and stolen generations background, she has bought into the white mans' system and all that implies' etc etc

To her credit --- importantly --- first and foremost ----
Sue Gordon is a pretty 'grounded' and sensible person.

Her experience and knowledge gained from being part of the last twelve months programme, visiting the communities, discussing and thinking about the problems with other participants, seeing the good and not so good outcomes ---- is a very valueable resource.

Such a 'resource' - to assist in helping achieve positive benefit for these remote communities - needs to be accessed, not set on the discard heap. Otherwise it is just 're-inventing the wheel' and valueable time continues to be lost.

Acceptance of and working within the framework of varying viewpoints is essential.

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Fong of the Inland
June 26th, 2008

Well, Claire Summers, the Intervention certainly is "along well worn idealogical lines" and it has not and never does "work to achieve goodwill, co-operation and best outcomes". You really are "re-inventing the wheel" of racism and apartheid.

You should know that and you should also know that Sue Gordon had a career in the Australian Army herself, too [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_Gordon ]. No wonder, then, that she was seen as so fitted for the role as a kind of camp commandant for the Army's occupation of remote communities.

What I find most peculiar about both you and her, though, is the willingness of both of you as women to want to forcibly subject hundreds (even 1,000's) of young girls in the NT to invasive internal examinations which would most probably rupture their hymens and cause traumatic distress, pain and bleeding.

Equally disgusting is the fact that you expect medical professionals to perform those assaults on demand. No wonder that the AMA withdrew from the Intervention as they do not wish to be part of your Gestapo force. Obviously neither of you are thus "grounded" in any sane sense of the word.

At what stage, then, will you allow the Australian Army to digitally rape these girls to satisfy your absurd and criminal imperatives? Who will perform such a task, then? Will you and Sue Gordon do the same as in Australia's mean prisons system and have medicically untrained and unqualified Army personnel shove their rubber-gloved hands up these childrens' vaginas and rectums?

And how would they ever know what to look for? Just as the idioticically crude peasant prison staff would supposedly search for "drugs" and ignore any of the victim's medical conditions, never mind any medical conditions (injuries) they might cause, the same would be the outcome by your malicious prescription.

Also so insulting that you deem that parents don't have a right to protect their own children from such assaults and harassments. At that rate, the Australian Army in the NT will be wearing Nazi swastikas and screaming "Heil Howard!" any day now, uhh.

Amazing that you want to continue with yet more "not so good outcomes" so that you two can enjoy having the "experience and knowledge" gained from your imposition of a mini martial-law to suppress and to oppress the indigenous population of Australia, whether they are under the Intervention or not.

Thus, the Northern Territory has become a kind of huge prison and the remote communities are being turned into fascist concentration camps and Sowetos for corralling and detaining native Australians. That will, no doubt, ensure that your white majority and a few mixed-race "Uncle Toms" (traitors) will be able to have unfettered control over all the mining lands and development of a whites-only apartheid in government and in tourism.

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Claire Summers
June 27th, 2008

Pretty sad reading the bigotry espoused in the blog response from Fong of the Inland. Amazing stuff!

Extreme, emotional language always will work against gaining the support for your position that you would clearly want. Neither will abusing the goodwill of others, unfoundedly describing people as 'fascist racists'

Calm, considered discussion on matters of import has far more chance of achieving better outcomes --- surely that is what is important? Tho, it doesn't always mean that results achieved will meet our own personal attitude and viewpoint. That is life! Such extreme, emotional language works against gaining support for your position. Neither will abusing the goodwill of others. By all means speak up, have your voice heard. Not however by abusing others.

More to the point. Initially when it was introduced I did not agree with the programme of the NT Intervention at all. I still do hold considerable doubts on its long term effectiveness and whether it really will achieve all it sets out to do.

However it is simply churlish not to acknowledge that some action and progress on securing the safety of the vulnerable young has been made. More can be done. Surely all compassionate human beings want that? Don't we?

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Fong of the Inland
June 28th, 2008

Oh Claire, I do not want to mix love and pity but I must be honest if not tactful. Do you have pictures of naked 12 and 13 year-old native Australian boys and girls in your art gallery? Knowing some of the Arnhem Land remote communities rather well, I suppose that you would have managed to take advantage of the tropical lifestyle and you surely must have quite a collection by now.

Is that what your wealthy collectors in Bahrain and Dubai prefer instead of looking at boring old bark paintings? There are indeed many implications in the rationale of the Intervention and my earlier post on "establishment porn" is one of them. So disappointing for the indigenous communities that people like you feed off that you are thus not "supporting their position" in a way that they would clearly want.

Rex Wild first admitted being a solicitor in Victoria in the 1960's but he moved to the NT and assiduously worked his way up to becoming director of Public Prosecutions and is said to be involved in an organization that ostensibly encourages children to play cricket. As with Porky Paul Everingham and the Lindy Chamberlain fiasco, Wild's claim to fame was his bringing murder charges against Murdoch in the Falconio case although, likewise, no body was ever found.

I guess that he has found his Waterloo, though, in the Intervention storm which blew up out of the Howard government opportunisitically siezing on it as a new kind of "children overboard" scandal. All the worse that Rudd + Co are still taking advantage without doing anything significant to improve things. So embarrassing for a barrister and QC, uhh, and especially now that Jenny Macklin is howling for punishment of offenders but merely to cover the fact that her government is obviously not doing anything in either remote or urban communities "where there is evidence of neglect or abuse" [ http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/26/2286974.htm ]

This week's Canberra scandal rather proves that it is really all happening in suburban Australia and the indigenous communities in the NT are very small bikkies in the child abuse stakes in this country. Spoiling our country's reputation further overseas with human rights abuses and neglect by government is extremely disappointing given that the Howard era is now well and truly over. Pity also that GetUp has only spoken to some children and one or two native Australian adults and white people on their visit to the Centre. Why was Willy Wonka so interested in talking to the kids in those video clips when it is the adults who are supposed to be the abusers and are the ones who can ultimately solve any problems?

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Enough is Enough
June 28th, 2008

Claire

Do not let this "Fool of the Inland" (Oops typo!) upset you. He is another metamorphosis of this Douglas Chalmers (Dick Charmer)/Southern Swan etc character who has been poisoning this site for months. You can go back to the Day 2 of the town camp blogs to see where this happenned.

Just ignore him. I wish he would get the mental health care that he so desperately needs.

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Stanley Richard Roy
June 29th, 2008

I think the Intervention was Ham-Fisted,but should be Continued with Much Modification. The Greens always tend to be Unrealistic,Quarantining of Welfare can be made to work,Children also have 'Human Rights'

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First Priority !
June 29th, 2008

i'm sure Douglas Charmers has really got to be..."SCHITZOPHRENIC"...or is it...Fong of the Inland...why do you keep changing your IDENTITY...Doug...Fong...Swan...??? whoever you are...you got some serious issues...its not like we all don't have serious issues...but well...!!! anyways...

THE SOIL IS POISONED...THE LAND IS CURSED
THE BLOOD OF MY PEOPLE...THEY CRY FROM THE EARTH
THE SKY HAS FALLEN...THE BUBBLE HAS BURST
WE NEED AUSTRALIAN VALUES...LIKE WE NEED A HOLE IN THE OZONE LAYER


i'm sure thats serious issues enough for the whole human race...enough to make any sane person 'Schitzo'. if we learn anything about this at all...it is...never believe anything the white man has to say on any serious issues...their only mission is to destroy the human race and planet earth and the universe isn't safe either from their superior intellect a big ideas of progress...

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Fong of the Inland
June 29th, 2008

Fun, isn't it, First Priority !, although it wasn't so much 'fun' being threatened and harassed on previous blogs by some individuals who really do have mental health issues, duh. Still, you will never get to know whether I am three personas in one or which one is the real me.

I agree absolutely with your statement about white invaders and the fake morals and self-serving imperatives of their settler society, though. Here is yet another step in their utter absurdity and self-defeating hypocrisy:-

Quote New Statesman - Thou shalt not hug: "British society no longer trusts grown-ups to interact with children. In a controversial new report, Frank Furedi and Jennie Bristow argue that the culture of "vetting" adults is damaging relationships between the generations......

In the report 'Licensed to Hug'..... explore the implication of the steady expansion of criminal-record checks on intergenerational relations and community life. What we found is that the system of vetting adults has taken on a bizarre life of its own. Already the question "Have you been CRB-checked?" has become part of everyday discussion at the school gates. We have talked to parents who were told that they could not attend their children's disco because they were not CRB-checked. Suspicion of grown-up behaviour towards children has fostered a climate in which it has become normal for some parents to trust only adults who possess official clearance..." [ http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2008/06/vetting-adults-scheme-children ].

Let us not forget that there has been some kind of "intervention" or another oppressing indigenous Australians for the past 200 years. It wasn't just invented by silly little Neocon, Johnny Howard, a year ago. It is a symptom of the mass mental malaise of white Anglo society in general.

They are actually projecting their psychoses onto native Australians in denial of their humanity and in refusal to accept their own personal and societal shortcomings. That has obviously had extensive nagative consequences on the social structure of traditional communities over a number of generations.

That is, in many ways, native Australians were and still are more spiritually advanced than white Australians. Struggling to cope with drastic changes in their lives and the continuous meddling and interference from a foreign white 'authority' is effectively destroying them, though. This is not progress so much as the originally intended anihilation.

"Terra Nullius" is already a fact in the minds of white Anglo Australians and they are unable to see the value of a completely different system of spiritual values and living in harmony with the Earth despite their pretensions over climate change. You are right that neither the planet nor the human race will survive the continuance of such blatant slef-righteous ignorance, First Priority !

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First Priority !
June 30th, 2008

Fong...Doug...Swan and Word warrior...i think you should stick with WORD WARRIOR...i really like WORD WARRIOR...!!!...otherwise i'll just respect your reasoning and choice to call yourself whatever you want...

What makes you think i was threatened or harrassed by anybody on previous blogs...i never feel threatened or harrassed by ignorant rednecks...they never said anything i have never heard before...cos they just keep repeating the same crap...australia really is a STATE of LIES-THEFT and GENOCIDE...there is no reasoning or logic in such a state...The SPIRIT of REASON wouldn't give counsel nor set food in this state...and anybody who is born in that state is absolutely psychotically deluded...so we have no choice but to amuse and entertain them as you would amuse a crazy lunatic with absolutely no ability to reason because they have been fed so much lies they believe their own lies and commiting genocide against 7 million innocent human beings is just a minor misdemeanor to them...and so it goes...!!!!

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Dors
July 1st, 2008

Fong & FP - hitting out wildly in every direction at once so maybe you'll chance upon something useful at some time, if only by accident. Meanwhile, if in doubt, criticise everything.

Question - what action do you recommend to improve the lives of Australian aboriginal people?
Your thoughtful, caring, practical, do-able suggestions now have an audience.
Can you deliver?

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Fong of the Inland
July 1st, 2008

Dors, what disappoints me is that a Google search on places like Papunya or Yuendumu or Kunbarllanjnja (Oenpelli) these days only gives you a lot of gush about indigenous art and hitting "photos" only brings up tourist pics or bark paintings.

That gives people absolutely no clue whatsoever as to what it is reaaly like to live there or what their history was in the past 40 years or so, even. That is why I posted this 1980's clip before but it still got no comment [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa7M1cRThc4&feature=related ]

Although such artistic renown has made them famous, it is also effectively being used by white Australia to completely obliterate any knowledge or understanding of how hard life was and still is there and how native Australians were and stiill substantially are deliberately kept utterly deprived by white authority.

In reality, Australia's white invaders are guilty of a kind of war crime/human rights abuse in mostly all of the 1900's and seeing what those places were like didn't stop successive Labor and Liberal governments and politicians like John Howard and Malcolm Fraser in the 1970's doing absolutely nothing about it. Lets not worry about what happened in the 1700-1800's, uhh.

In fact, there were no houses in most of those remote communities except for the government staff. Some had the luxury of a few tiny tin sheds but most people still lived in the open most of the time. That was not their "lifestyle" as they wanted to progress but nothing was being done for them as would be expected for an ordinary community in any realistic sense whatsoever.

No sewerage sanitation, no proper water supply (only a few taps for a whole community), no housing and some sour old white bugger forever telling them what to do, what they couldn't have and what they wouldn't get. The right to vote didn't bring any real changes (1960's) or even the decade-long Gurindji stockmens' strike and land claim at Wave Hill station (Kalkaringi), until the 1980's at least [ http://www.abc.net.au/rural/content/2006/s1720720.htm ]

Living on a cattle station which was once their tribal homeland and being paid in rations from a store owned by the station "owner" at whatever price he chose to charge was the norm right through until the 1980's. Before then, they got flour and a piece of meat, some clothes and tobacco but were still left to live camping out in the open despite the luxurious homesteads at some stations.

Try searching on the National Archives and you will still likely get pictures of politicians posing at celebrations instead of the truth, though! [ http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/photosearch.aspx ] So you ask ME what should be DONE???

Treat indigenous people like human beings!
Treat indigenous people like real citizens!
Provide the services and opportunities that you have failed to for generations!

Give up the "you will be told, mate" attitudes once and for all.
Accept that native Australians don't want to live a copy of white society lifestyles.
Accept that native Australians have a DIFFERENT set of religious and social structures and values.

And fix your own problems before criticizing others! In other words, gofuk yai sif (漢裝), uhh!

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Wendy
July 1st, 2008

Fong/Doug/Swan Etc

I agree with Dors, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST AS A POSITIVE STEP FORWARD!!!!!!

All I read from you is winge, winge, winge. There was nothing in your previous comment that suggested any way forward - just referring back to the past errors!

At first I thought you were a Chinese agent constantly slagging off the Dalai Lama. Now I wonder if you are not trying to sabotage GETUP entirely, because you never come up with anything helpful of positive, on any of the issues.

Failing that you a are just a crazy person who hasn't got a life. And why don't you want anyone to know who you really are. Do you hate yourself that much that you have to hide behind all these facades? Perhaps if you treated people a little better you would get a better reaction from people and you would not have to hide.

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First Priority !
July 1st, 2008

THIS IS MY SUGGESTION;

Stop calling us...australian aborigines...we are not australian...and we are absolutely not aborigines...

both of these foreign names are genocidal names which the english deliberately and conciously chose to put on both us the people/s and nation/s of this country and also on the land itself...they chose those names for legal reasons...under the law of 'terra nullius'...both the land and the people of the land...legally does not exist...read very carefully again what i just said...both the land and the people...legally do not exist...the difference between the 'Law of Terra Nullius' and the 'State of Terra Nullius' is like a shovel and a hole in the ground...the shovel is the LAW of Terra Nullius and the hole in the ground is the 'State of Terra Nullius'...and paul keating only threw away the shovel when he removed the 'Law of Terra Nullius'...but the hole in the ground still exist and we the original peoples/nations of this country are stuck in the hole which is the 'State of Terra Nullius'...and the actual hole is a legal black hole of NULL and VOID...which is why we are a totally defeated people...it was an act of genocide when we were placed in that legal black hole...the land itself is also in that legal black hole of NULL and VOID...and the name australia is a lid or trapdoor which locks both us and the land in the hole...which means that austalia legally exist in name only...and the name aborigine means...'TO TAKE FROM THE ORIGINAL AND TO DISPOSE OF THE ORIGINAL'...

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Fong of the Inland
July 1st, 2008

Wendy, you will never know whether I am really a cute Chinese agent or not - just like you haven't a clue whether the DL is really a CIA agent, duh! All you ever seem to do is whinge, whinge, whinge [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEAC0-bzXs8&feature=related ]

Nobody was complaining about him but there was and is an issue with the fake Western media hype just as there is with the Intervention. The real reason was they wanrt to grab control of Tibet just as white Australia wants total control over indigenous traditional lands. Likewise, white Australia is exhorting an illegal act in interfering with the affairs of a sovereign foreign nation just as we are deleriously rushing to further the wanton white interference with native Australians.

In all this, Jenny Macklin has once again advocated the "punishment mentality" for supposed child abusers, white or black, after the last couple of weeks of awful news on child abuse in urban Australia as a simple quick fix. So much for the legalists in parliament. Disappointingly, though, you and Dors are still only able to focus on the remote communities - thus the eyesight problem is totally yours, uhh.

"Child abuse is a crime, it's a crime that must see the people who are perpetrating it punished," she told Parliament..... One of the things that is our responsibility is to step in where there is evidence of neglect or abuse..." according to Jenny Macklin but such bald statements do nothing to solve the community-based issues which lead to such things and many others happening.....

Aust must do better to protect children: Macklin http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/26/2286974.htm

Child sexualisation shrouded in weasel words http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/child-sexualisation-shrouded-in-weasel-words-20080628-2yj5.html?page=-1

Child abuse is a blight on us all http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/child-abuse-is-a-blight-on-us-all-20080629-2ytl.html?page=-1

This has NOTHING to do with the internet and these people are not predators in the general sense. Many of them are simply failed and dysfunctional families. You are going to see a lot more in different ways as the international economic crunch worsens and the recession spreads from the USA with the absurd oil and food prices. We are all on the way to becoming a totally dysfunctional society.

But the punishment mentality and the and prisons solution is something that has lived as a sickness in the minds of Anglo-Saxons for a 1,000 tears. You have no understanding any more of how to live your lives differently and the childish bickering in the new parliament shows exactly that and how utterly irrelevant the Apology was back in February never mind the ongoing welfare of Australia's citizens generally.

Going back to the Norman invasion of England, the Anglo outlook was changed forever and the evil ways that were learned and implemented were then practiced enthusiastically upon their Irish and Scottish and Welsh neighbors. Search "plantations of Ulster" and the Scottish "highland clearances" and you will see where it is all coming from. The real problems are mostly still in the minds of white people in Australia, not the blacks (or the Asians).

The "practical, do-able solutions" are and were always in the hands of the white people as the majority but just like the millions of white Russian and European Jewish settlers who arrived in Palestine over the past 60+ years who have done NOTHING for the Arabs except to try to anihilate them and to obliterate their culture, we have done just the same. As long as you believe the Neocon pro-Zionist lies, you will never understand or ever achieve a realistic view of native Australians either, Wendy.

The reality is that the white "settler society" mentality in Australia has to change significantly before you can see and that is about to crumble anyway with the imperatives of climate change and economic meltdown. Slavishly following the Americans (also a white settler society) is leading to an inevitable disaster which our children will inherit whether they want it or not. THAT is the real child abuse now being perpetrated across the nation.

Until now, white Australia has still been following a kind of South African apartheid and all the while fooling ourselves that we are not intrinsically racist. A mere 20+ million cannot maintain that kind of imperialism any longer and Asia is about to tell us all where it is really at. And screaming about a few whales while murdering a million Iraqis and making another 4 million refugees in their own country in the last decade won't justify a thing.

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Dors
July 1st, 2008

Fong. thanks for your ideas. I watched the video clip you posted. There were a few whisps of the reality of life in the camps and out-stations and small towns which I lived in in the NT, the Kimberley, the Murchison & Gasgoyne. But, of course, though there are many things the same everywhere, every community has its own dynamics, its own key people, whether its the old girl who's the only one who still knows the local lingo, or the young fella who wishes he does but never will.

The suggestions you offer at the end of your post have some merit, but are problematical in their generality. For instance how to reconcile 'Provide the services and opportunities that you have failed to for generations' and 'Accept that native Australians don't want to live a copy of white society lifestyles'.

For example, in the Gascoyne, a large family community some 25 years ago decided to leave Carnarvon and head back to their traditional country. They did so - a patch of land 300 klms inland with no services. They sat down and waited. After about 5 years the Gvmt moved in 25 houses, a community house, a stretch of tarmac to keep the dust down to reduce the kids' sores, a swimming pool for much the same reason, solar power, reticulated water, a small school supplemented by school of the air, a maintenance team to teach the inhabitants how to service the solar installation, etc. etc. This community is independent in spirit and attitude and are totally in charge of their own strong community.
A contrasting example is a small community outside a regional centre 500 klm south who did much the same thing, but 30 years of squalid, debauched life later, are still waiting for somebody to do something, waiting amidst rubbish, violence, alcoholism incest and debilitating inertia.

Generalities are the very devil. Many younger aboriginal people DO want 'a copy of white society lifestyles'. Many have achieved it, you may pass them on the street unknowingly. But these aren't the ones we're concerned with.

'Treat indigenous people like human beings'. The people who treat are themselves human beings - the good, the bad and the indifferent treating other good, bad and indifferent people. No wishing away will wish away human nature, we work with our fellow man as best we can, day by day.

'Accept that native Australians have a DIFFERENT set of religious and social structures and values'. Insert, alongside 'native Australians' the name of any group on earth you care to mention (Ainu, Muslims, Neo-Cons ...) This is an on-going global difficulty, the basis of just about every conflict you care to name anywhere in the world. Yes, everyone has to keep working on adjustment, adaptation, acceptance (or not, - pesky human nature again). This is an area where individuals can make a huge difference - by their own behaviour, actions, by lobbying for higher-level change, by continuing to raise awareness so that better ways can be initiated.
It's a long road, and we're all walking on it.

So thanks for your suggestions, Fong. They cause us to examine our own ways of living and our own way of thinking. Not a bad starting place.

As for me - anything to achieve something better is worth a try at least. Mistakes are inherent in, and inevitably part of every human activity. There are some successes, some failures, no perfection. But as we keep on living, we can keep on trying.

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Dors
July 1st, 2008

BTW Fong, only fools say humans are not racist. It's an inbuilt biological survival mechanism. How we deal with this facet of our makeup in our less natural, over-crowded world - for our own well-being and that of others - lies in the realms of the intellect, not the emotions.

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Fong of the Inland
July 1st, 2008

Rubbish, Dors. Smile and the whole world smiles with you..... [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFfwUWFRwBY ]

The REALITY lies with the Spirit and it is our self-imposed egotistical separation from That, our connection with the Force or Creative Principle, which is our downfall. If I can put it this way, these are ALL essential parts of our being.....

IQ = Intelligence quotient
EQ = Emotional quotient
SQ = Spiritual quotient

Our existence upon this Earth is but a reflection of some Great Plan just as much as we are a reflection of our own subtle energy state. Likewise, what we have created for ourselves is the result of our thoughts and actions, good and bad.

Right action follows right thought. When we see things as they really are instead of as we insist on wanting them to be, much is revealed that was once seemingly invisible. That is, white Australia is sadly living in miserable darkness.....

Nothing can change here unless it is first changed in the hearts and minds of white Australians. By no longer judging others by white mans' outdated concepts is a real beginning. Getting rid of the fake religious and political ideologies and imperatives of the past is a start.

We are all living in a wilderness of materialism. Continuing to justify that yet living at others' expense will lead us to be overtaken soon by those more successful at doing just that (4 billion Asians won't wait around much longer, duh).

Our thinking can always be changed for the better and good karma flows inevitably as a result. Change your wrong thinking for ways of co-operation and mutual benefit and we will all survive climate change and global warming and the (Asian) new world order together.

Learn a lesson from China and Taiwan and Japan and Korea. This year has seen them turn around old enmities and hatreds and resentments. This is a reality now, not just some politician's empty words. It has been done in spite of America, not because of them.

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Lynne
July 1st, 2008

PLEASE reinstate the Racial Discrimination Act, cease compulsory seizures of lands, stop indiscriminate quarantining of welfare payments, restore the humane rights of our indigenous people and sit down with each Community and find out what THEY want prioritized. It is probably quite different in each instance. This 'one size fits all' approach is going to cost zillions and will never work. Why not declare the Howard hasty/vote catching strategy for what it was and start again with a realistic approach. That's why we voted for you and your team Mr Rudd, because you were going to do things differently!

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Kendall Espedido
July 2nd, 2008

The Intervention was introduced by the Howard Government as a desperate scaremongering attempt at winning back support from the Australian people - a la children over board style - at a time when Rudd the Legend and his crew of people with conscience were on the up and up and was proving to be a serious contender in the then upcoming elections.

The Howard Government style was to use children as political pawns - a tactic jealously copied from Pauline Hanson.
STEP 1: Showcase something highly terrible and inconceivable happening to children of an "ethnic" group.
STEP 2: Ignore the fact that child abuse is also a major problem in the wider Australian community.
STEP 3: Demonise the "ethnic community" that the kids we felt sorry for "belongs" to. In doing this the H Government also demonised those kids, which doesnt make sense to me since we're supposed to be worried about the child's general wellbeing, arent we? I can imagine how mind-destroying it is for a child to experience the ill-effects of belonging to a demonised group - i.e people dont treat you like a human being, they are weary and suspicious of you all the time like youre gonna steal something or kill them, people dont want to hire your "type" and by not being allowed any real chances of a decent job, youre forced to not have any real financial means to support yourself properly and the realisation kicks in that the system is heavily weighted against your advancement in society and that's when depression and alcoholism kicks in etc etc etc. What else is there to do?

Now that the Rudd Government has identified child abuse and neglect as being a common problem in the wider Australian community, would it not be the time now to introduce a grog ban on the wider community just as it has been in effect since last year in the Koori communities up north? I can never see this happening though because the wider community is never tarnished even if a lot of our "fellow" member's in our wider Australain community commit abuse. e.g. some crazed lunatic killed his whole family with an axe last week - I dont think anyone has been demonised except for the guy that committed the crime. Had it been a Koori that committed the crime, you can bet other Koori's would cop the blame for the murder (like the way Ive heard colleagues describe the abandonement of Pumpkin at Southern Cross Station as being typical of "bloody asians" - yeah like Jackie Chan would ever do that?!) or stranger still (dont laugh ive seen similar things happen) - some lunatics will call for a ban on the use of axes by Koori communities in the North.

Respect maketh the man (or woman).

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Fong of the Inland
July 2nd, 2008

Well, "you have a right to be angry", First Priority !, as the IRA's Gerry Adams once said when two Australians holidaying in Europe were mistaken for English and assassinated some years ago. And if anyone sees you bending over like this, they'll most probably "f@$k your ass too" - as a First Priority, of course..... ask Pedro [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOiUPl5GjTE&feature=related ]

But to parahprase Apocalypse Now and Nick Cave - "Melbourne, shit, I'm still only in Melbourne. .....every time I think I'm going to wake up in some place decent, uhh. In the 1980's, I was going to the worst place in the world, and I didn't even know it....across a river that snaked through this vanishing land like a main circuit cable and plugged straight into the Anglo world's 'heart of darkness'...”

Unfortunately, this country becomes the "homeland" for all who migrate here and especially those who are born here. I agree, though, that the Anglo mind is only permanently capable of the view of a 'visitor' if not an invader. That is, they are actually more primitive than the blacks and Asians they sneer at despite all appearances to the contrary.

Sadly for them, they do not realize ( or refuse to) that the Asian world in particular now reviles them as disgusting hairy monkeys with their riotous drunken and animalistic behaviour. Kuta, the name of the beach in Bali that Aussies once flocked to actually meant "crazy people" and that is why it was set apart for them. The decent tourists go to Sanur and other beach resorts elsewhere on the island.

But, perhaps worst of all is that Australia has been the home of so many sex tourists and child abusers visiting S.E.Asia for decades to exploit and harass the poor and the helpless. That many were found to have a career in the public service and the diplomatic corps also says something. "Australians love a good holiday..." - Child Sexual Exploitation in Asia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPK992fRxhc

No wonder then that disgusting little creeps like Johnny Howard were so keen to find a scapegoat, a fall guy, and smearing indigenous Australians deliberately kept in poverty by successive governments and especially those in the most remote communities was the most cowardly act of all. Isn't it ironic that the past few weeks have been filled with the abysmal failures of Western capitalism and white Aussie dysfunctional families?

Perhaps Jenny Macklin will now thoughtfully extend the Intervention to white urban communities such as Cowra and Canberra where child abuse is obviously rife.....??? They should send the Army there to check up on all those sleazy white fellas and make sure that are doing a proper days work for their pittances and not sitting around downloading porn from the internet and groping their neighbors' kids, uhh.

But, while we are at it, lets also look at another prime indicator of the real condition of white Australian society..... "AUSTRALIA is one of the world’s fastest growing international trafficking hubs for illegal drugs including cocaine, ice and speed, a United Nations report has found..... Trafficking in these drugs has tripled in Australia in the past 12 months..... The surge means the country now rates third in cocaine smuggling growth - behind African hotspot Nigeria and South America’s Uruguay..." http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23926250-2,00.html



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Kendall Espedido
July 2nd, 2008

To Fong of the Inland.

It's such a shame that our image overseas is tarnished by the actions of just a few people. However I must disagree with your comments about Anglo's being "more primitive than the blacks and Asians they sneer at". Being human makes us all primitive creatures. Racism is a disease that is inherent in every community on Earth. We are all capable of it, however our understanding of the negative effects that it causes for the victims of racial discrimination, should by conscience prevent us from labelling so called "ethnic" groups as "dirty living abos", "white pedo-scumbag child and family killers", "bloody dumb asians who stab everyone", "Anglo fat belly bastards", "wog boof-head bully bastards", "thievin' pirate vampire ex-communist gypsies", "retarded head-shaking curry munchers" etc etc. It's just not on because when you look at it objectively, there are bad seeds in every "ethnic" group and that not everyone in that group does those bad things. I understand that we all experience a lot of pressure from peers and colleagues to be politically correct and agree with the "racist" ideas that they are proposing. Sometimes the pressure comes from not wanting to be out of place within a social group of friends or colleagues, furthering one's own advancement or not be a lecturing fool. I understand the fun that people experience when having a few laughs at the expense of "other" "ethnic" groups, however when those jokes become actual common belief and can negatively impact the opportunities of people to be treated with respect and be allowed to be part of society, that's where the joke is no longer a joke and damage to one's validity kicks in.

Case in point: "Six (responsible and determined) youth leaders (on a life saving club training visit) from the remote community of Yuendumu were told they were "unsuitable" guests simply because the hotel manager was worried that the "backpackers were afraid of Aboriginal people and they would leave if the Aboriginal people did not leave." What a crock of crap. Ive seen the photo of one of the youth leaders (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/03/10/1205125821750.html) and she looks totally decent. She is wearing a decent striped shirt thats appropriate even for business and her hair is styled neatly, no different from some of the hairstyles that you would see being sported by corporate women down at Collins St, Melbourne.

How devastating it must be for these girls to be penalised even though they are making an effort to make a go of life, be responsible, study lifesaving so they can help others and even dress appropriately. And that's still not good enough for the bastards. There was no mention in the story that the girls acted inappropriately, only that their mere presence scared people.

Ive seen this happen at a club once. We were all with a group of friends having fun and next thing you know they all started dispersing and leaving because a young Koori guy (who was dancing OK and dressed OK and was of the right party-not-sleazy mindset) started to dance near us. Woah that really disappointed me because I wouldve thought that my friends would be quite accepting of people that arent the same culture as them. A lot of the times I know this comes from people simply not being educated enough about the negative impacts, and only caring about their own situations. The very same people that jump up and down as soon somebody seriously slanders their ethnicity/nationality whether they be Anglo Australians, Celtic Australians, Chinese Australians, Lebanese Australians, Filipino Australians, Indian Australians, Italian Australians, German Australians, Sri Lankan Australians, Turkish Australians, Jewish Australians, Indonesian Australians, Korean Australians, Dutch Australians, Kenyan Australians, Egyptian Australians, Hungarian Australians, French Australians, Persian Australians, Balinese Australians, Maori Australians, Russian Australians, British-expat Australians, South African Australians, Sudanese Australians, Polish Australians, etc etc etc. We have all been guilty of racism prior to and even after our eyes have been opened. It involves a conscious effort to change our ways. Including me.

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Fong of the Inland
July 3rd, 2008

First Priority !, it seems that you said that yesterday and your post was deleted. It must be something about using 'caps' on this blog that someone doesn't like, I guess, uhh.

Actually, I agreed with everything you said, expletives and all, and it is actually childish of GetUp to have censored you but you must understand that blogs and forums everywhere do have such rules.

"EVERY FOREIGNER I MEET EITHER WANNA KICK MY A.... KISS MY A... OR WIPE MY A.... WHAT IS IT WITH YOU IDIOTS...???" Well, this is something that white Anglo Australians..... As-stray-yuns.... (from 'Stray'yuh - land of the strays, duh) do not want to understand.

To them, being kind means being condescending. They are utterly blind to the fact that they insult everybody, Native Australians, Asians, Europeans, Islanders, by their pretentiously self-righteous and superior attitudes. That is why we have had to have the Intervention. It simply gives them some sense of meaning for their massive inferiority complexes, uhh.

"THIS IS MY HOME AND MY LAND AND MY COUNTRY AND MY SOVEREIGN SPACE...AND NO FOREIGNERS HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE...ONLY THE SPIRIT OF JUSTICE ADMINISTRATES BIRTHRIGHTS...AND NO WAY THE SPIRIT OF JUSTICE IS GONNA GIVE OUT BIRTHRIGHTS TO FOREIGNERS WHO PUSH AND SHOVE THEIR WAY INTO OUR SOVERIEGN SPACE WITH VOILENCE AND GENOCIDE...!!!"

Yes, this really IS a first priority, First Priority ! Nothing that is said or done can ever excuse the lies and hypocrisy of hegemonic powers in the world. They grow out of usurping the futures of others and fatten themselves on human misery and suffering. Once it was called empire, then imperialism, now it is the Neocons.

Nothing has changed, though, and we are all yet to suffer the final ultimate consequences of those past centuries of self-aggrandizement and exploitation. That this century has started with the murder and oppression of millions of people in West Asia (the Middle East to some - those who don't live there) has taken us back a 1,000 years and we must reap that cost now, too.

Perhaps when we are all living in humpies and have been forced to giveup our imaginary civilization, Washington Man (BushCo), London Man (Blair, etc), Canberra Man (Howard, etc) and Cro-Magnon Man will all be happily slobbering together in their caves......

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July 3rd, 2008

Some blog comments have violated GetUp's code of practice and have been removed.

GetUp encourages robust and varied comment and debate on our blogs and doesn't like to remove blog comments. However abusive, racist or expletive language won't be tolerated so please be aware of this.

Enjoy the discussion!

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Fong of the Inland
July 3rd, 2008

That's all very well, GetUp, but you should understand that in doing so, you have also suppressed and censored a person of indigenous Australian descent making valid comments about his experiences in being marginalized and discriminated against in his own country.

Given that this topic is one of a series about the rights of Indigenous Australians, you can hardly congratulate yourselves, understandable as it is. That makes this something less than a "discussion" as well as making it a lot less than "enjoyable".

You can say you're "SORRY" when you explain yourselves to Tom Calma at HREOC, eh..... [ http://www.hreoc.gov.au/about/president_commissioners/calma.html ]. What you have done will have also offended and intimidated othger persons of indigenous Australian descent/ native Australians who are blogging here and viewing this topic.

I understand that Tom Calma might not be able to do much about it but that is actually because he is marginalized himself in his own position at HREOC by those of his white staff who are conceited and impudent enough to ignore him and the complaints of his countrymen and women - at least until they can get rid of him and have another white person in charge again, uhh.

Next time you want to string up a "rabbit-proof fence", you'd better check just what you are really getting yourself into, guys. Your underlying intrinsic white-is-right mentality is starting to show......

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First Priority !
July 3rd, 2008

FONG...why do you especially love to call me australian...are you just ignoring me like the rest of these deluded fools...i say don't call me australian and you just go right on calling me that evil word...anglo white australians make their own rules as they go...they truely do think that i'm racist...when i object to their hypocrisy...!!!!

...WHERE THERE IS ULTRA-CONSERVATISM...THERE IS ULTRA HYPOCRACY...

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Fong of the Inland
July 3rd, 2008

First Priority !, I'm not "calling" you Australian and I agree with what you said about that before anyway. I am simply using that as as part of the terms "indigenous Australian" and "native Australian".

And I think that you already agreed with me that "aborigine" or "aboriginal" was redundant and is condescending and anthropological rather than social in its connotations. We can go to Koori, Murri or Nunga if you prefer but aren't they regional terms rather than universal?

I also agree about "conservatism" and "hypocrisy" and it doesn't have to be "ultra" to have an insidiously negative effect. After the inane gushing over the Dalai Lama, himself an ultra-conservative figure in his own country, we are now going to be besieged with the un-Christian Catholic pope, also an ultra-conservative figure if ever there was.

The ultra-hypocrisy is self-evident with both, uhh. The trouble is that people constantly want to wish the awful Truth away, unpleasant for them to face it, as it is. So too with your outrage over this country's never-ending white conservative hypocrisy which the GetUp team have assiduously 'wished away' today, too.

They conveniently call it "Extreme Behavior" and that justifies their obliteration of your objections if not your existence. Its just yet another kind of Intervention! [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cY7XHzsT9U ].....

It's kinda hard to talk right now.....
Why are you crying? Is everything okay?
I gotta whisper 'cause I can't be too loud

I guess we never really moved on
It's really good to hear your voice...
It sounds so sweet
Coming from the lips of an angel
Hearing those words.....
And I never wanna say goodbye......

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First Priority !
July 4th, 2008

It's kinda hard to talk right now.....
Why are you crying? Is everything okay?
I gotta whisper 'cause I can't be too loud
I guess we never really moved on

In a Monetary and Materialistic world
There is nothing Sacred
In a State of Lies-Theft and Genocide
There is AB-solutely nothing Sacred

We used the word Sacred
cos we thought they would understand
But we found it really is of no use
Its just a casting of our pearls
Beneath the feet of the Swine

There really is a universal name
Sacred to the extreme
I cannot cast it at your feet
You will trample it for sure

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phildeerhound
July 31st, 2008

There are a group of questions I would like to see addressed.

One is “Can a sustainable and successful community survive in an unsustainable location”

If not – “Should we be seeking to make such locations sustainable or should we stop financing people to live in such impossible locations”

I ask this because in their own past history the Aboriginal people simply moved on, whereas the Australian welfare system could be seen – however inadequate - as empowering people, to their detriment, to remain situated in impractical circumstances, which engender in communities the direst poverty and predictable associated problems.

“If we should be helping to make these locations sustainable for the communities living there, how can we do it?” I do not see indigenous art or tourism as particularly viable in what will always be a limited luxury market. In addition the aboriginal approach to tourism is not one that is necessarily shared by visitors to outback areas.

Just as for the descendants of migrant settlers there is no return to the past, or to an imagined homeland, so there is no return to an imagined idyllic spiritual state – not for any of us – for the simple reason that these idyllic states are the themes of mythology not the realities of the past.

We need to move forward – all of us – as rapidly as possible. This requires vast educational programmes for all communities. Maybe through these we can create attractions that will draw people away from unsustainable and impoverished lifestyles

But in the interim what can we do? There is a need to find mechanisms that successfully impose, if necessary, minimal social standards. Without these the next generation has no protection

It is not so long ago that white civilisation failed to cherish its children. Poverty reduced them to working at the age of five and younger in the mills and factories of industrial Europe. It took an awareness of the sanctity of the child – a Victorian idea for the most part – for white society to recognise a child as a being requiring special protection and the love of the community. I suggest that we are at that stage in this matter

Victorian society brought children out of the darkness through a combination of public awareness and enforced legislation. There have been many stumblings on the way and perhaps we have just experienced another one. But out of all this – with a combination of sympathy and reconciliation, that expresses itself in empowerment of suitable and appropriate authority, could come a new and better place in our society for indigenous children and their families

Hope may not do much – but it is positive in nature by definition and could encourage us all to do better

Including those of us sitting in power in Canberra.

We owe it to all our children to try. Restore a realistic and rationally based hope, whatever the cost, and make it the guide to a new reality for all of us.

Except as a memory and as a cornerstone of cultural and personal awareness, it is time to let the past go

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Ross
July 8th, 2008

The blatant racism displayed (and tolerated) on this blog makes a mockery of this organisation and its so-called liberal ideals. Yes it is racist to suggest that white people are 'more primitive' than others:

" I agree, though, that the Anglo mind is only permanently capable of the view of a 'visitor' if not an invader. That is, they are actually more primitive than the blacks and Asians they sneer at despite all appearances to the contrary"


And to say this:

"Sadly for them, they do not realize ( or refuse to) that the Asian world in particular now reviles them as disgusting hairy monkeys with their riotous drunken and animalistic behaviour. Kuta, the name of the beach in Bali that Aussies once flocked to actually meant "crazy people" and that is why it was set apart for them. The decent tourists go to Sanur and other beach resorts elsewhere on the island."

And generalisations such as this:

"but what would Anglo-Saxons know? This is their way of treating other peoples' children - not just expose their flesh but rip it right off!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meFE5EJPuBk

Then they continue to justify themselves by braying drunkenly about being "veterans" whilst abusing their own kidz......"

And these are just some of the comments which the moderators on this blog left up! Get real! Racism is NOT just a white man's curse - Fong of the Inland and First Priority! demonstrate this well, and those monitoring the comments here are complicit through their lack of action.

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Fong of the Inland
August 18th, 2008

I will remind you of what this topic is about, Ross, and also remind you to bother to read the opening statement at the top of the page, uhh:-

"Greens Senator Rachel Siewert is calling for a major change in the way we engage with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities grounded in a human rights approach to development..."

I have underlined the reasons why white Australia needs to change its approach, not only to black Australia but to all ethnic minority groups.

Even the good ol' racist USA is turning over a new leaf since Barack Obama has begun campaigning for the presidency, God bless his Neocon heart. They have a lot of 'water' to start moving before it passes beneath the 'bridge', so to speak though, but so too does Australia.

In the next 30-40 years, whites will themselves be a minority in the USA. For a white racist hell-hole, that will take some getting used to. That is also exactly the same here. Your rights-for-whites slur is actually your own worst personality issue, not someone else's, mate.

A 100 years ago, Australia was also beset with prejudices between white majority Anglo-Saxons and white minority Irish and Scots. It was a country and a time also rife with anti-Catholic prejudice by the majority supposedly Anglican Anglo-Saxons. So pretentious to ignore the past.

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phildeerhound
August 8th, 2008

Greetings Ross - I think we need to be patient in relation to expressions of racism. “Exposure” is about bringing things to the light of day where they can be examined and discussed.

For many of us the path out of many of our prejudices has been through exposing them and feeling the response. As such I try to be a little careful about “casting the first stone”

I see the GetUp blogs as a forum in which people can speak out - often out of isolation for the first time - and see their own ideas accepted and encouraged or refuted or even ridiculed. They are, to me, a conversation in which we can learn how to build common ground, how to put arguments in ways in which other people may understand them and add to them and support them

Where the people themselves can have peaceful power is through maintaining the dialogue. The status quo for the most part are more concerned about limiting discussion and free expression than about promoting a particular view. The obvious example of this is China at the moment. Mostly the government just want the people - their own and their visitors - to shut up

As the GetUp ad says in relation to Tibet - there is a time to be silent - but there is also a time to speak out. When people speak out we will not always hear what we want to hear, and when we speak out ourselves we - under our pseudonyms - may be ridiculed. Democracy was never a particularly quiet process - it isn’t like a Quaker Friends Meeting House.

Just a few days ago one of the bravest champions of free speech died. I wonder if you would mind me quoting him:

“I am of course confident that I will fulfill my tasks as a writer in all circumstances--from my grave even more successfully and more irrefutably than in my lifetime. No one can bar the road to truth, and to advance its cause I am prepared to accept even death. But may it be that repeated lessons will finally teach us not to stop the writer's pen during his lifetime? At no time has this ennobled our history.”

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Vale Alexander

and greetings to all who use these blogs

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Phildeerhound
September 9th, 2008

Ross – this is a belated response to your post. I have much sympathy, as another ordinary GetUp member, for your concerns about the degree of anti-white racism that sometimes appears on these blogs - but it is worth noting that currently most of it seems to be coming from a person with precious little claim to “aboriginality”, and whose main aim appears to be to disrupt and inflame, with the ulterior motive of bringing GetUp into disrepute

Don’t let them win. An organization such as GetUp is bound to attract people whose main aim is to destroy it. Their presence is a measure of GetUps success – the status quo is scared of us. It should be, for many of us are indeed subversive to the nonsense that has been going on in this country. It is worth noting that the same disrupter also expresses support for George Bushes Republican Party and especially for the Gun Toting Evangelist lady running for VP behind an approaching geriatric, so it is a bit obvious where they are all ultimately coming from

Many of the subjects of campaigns are matters that should have been dealt with decades ago. Some of the people who post on the blogs are obvious victims of this inadequacy. But I think it is sometimes best to permit uncensored publication – at least in the short term - of their posts so that they can release the anger and get a response to it. No doubt it sounds patronising but it is sometimes an essential service to help people live through and express their pain as a means of overcoming it

There are times when a boundary is so overstepped that moderation may be necessary. I do not see moderation in such context – that of abuse – as being of the same quality as censorship

You are right “racism” is not just a white man’s curse. I see it as a not uncommon mental illness – with “religion” running not that far behind in the same stakes - and both black and white can equally be mentally ill

One last point expect to see on these blogs the odd person writing under several pseudonyms - Sometimes this to is aimed at bringing GetUp into dispute

It is a tactic as old as writing itself

Regards.

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Fong of the Inland
September 9th, 2008

Just a little reminder that you are not alone in this world, Phildeerhound ("an island unto yourself"), all three of you, duh. One is an old geezer, another is a disgruntled cowering lawyer and another is a schizoid social scientist, all bigoted and utterly biased - and deliriously peddling their agendas against real progressive change.

It may be that you are attracted to an organization such as GetUp and it is people like yourself whose main aim is to destroy it with their inane repetitive slandering posts and utter banality. For you, the future is nuclear, the spurious is your goal and attainment of it is your delight. This is how God made Englishmen.....

Take up the White Man’s burden-
Have done with childish days-
The lightly proffered laurel,
The easy, ungrudged praise.

Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years,
Cold-edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!

Take up the White Man’s burden—
Send forth the best ye breed—
Go send your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need

To wait in heavy harness
On fluttered folk and wild—
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child

Take up the White Man’s burden
In patience to abide
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;

By open speech and simple
An hundred times made plain
To seek another’s profit
And work another’s gain

Take up the White Man’s burden—
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better
The hate of those ye guard—

The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah slowly) to the light:
"Why brought ye us from bondage,
“Our loved Egyptian night?”


Of course, more recent than Rudyard Kipling who wrote "You are a better man than I am, Gunga Din..." (in India), there was also a movie a decade or so ago of the same name starring your brother in misfortune, John 'Revolting':-

"The story takes place in alternative America where the blacks are members of social elite, and whites are inhabitants of inner city ghettos. Louis Pinnock is a white worker in a chocolate factory, loving husband and father of two children. While delivering a package for black CEO Thaddeus Thomas, he is mistaken for a voyeur and, as a result, loses his job, gets beaten by black cops and his family gets evicted from their home.....

The (black/white) roles are reversed. Travolta's character and his family are treated very much like second or third class citizens. Police automatically assume guilt, and take whatever means they want to make an arrest. The inner-city is mostly inhabited by whites, and is portrayed as crime infested neighborhoods. A little white boy is watching TV, as he flips through the channels, almost every program and commercial are black actors..." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114928/

But
you really do come apart at the seams with your obviously sexist and age-prejudiced male gender crap when you bemoan "...the Gun Toting Evangelist lady running for VP behind an approaching geriatric...". That is both crudely ignorant as well as being dually discriminatory and underlines the fact that there is more than one person blogging as the deranged split-personality, "Phildeerhound".

It also reminds me that the executive at GetUp are effectively discriminating against aged and disabled people and the unemployed by failing to take an interest in supporting their needs in the community and as regards their being underpaid by something like $80 per week. This is a major political issue now and forcing them to wait another six months for a fake "review" while admitting that they are not surviving (Rudd-the-dud, Swan-song, 'Gizzard').

What you fail to understand about Sarah Palin, though, is that she is married to and has children by a man of native American/Eskimo descent. That makes her far more socially aware than most politicians in either the USA or in Australia:-

"Sarah Palin on Native people"..... a new way of relating to people (its called "being normal", uhh) as opposed to the old white-is-right "settler society" paradigm.....

"I have known Sarah as a friend for 10 years and my husband's family has known her family for over 30 years so I can vouch for the fact that as long time Alaskans, Sarah and her family have great respect for Native people. So much so that Sarah is married to one! Her husband Todd is a Yupik Eskimo from Dillingham; a member of the Curyung tribe. Sarah is very close to Todd's grandmother Lena Andre who is a highly respected elder in the Bristol Bay region..."
http://www.sitnews.us/1006Viewpoints/101106_karen_rhoades.html ..... Todd Palin unique among nation's 5 first husbands http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/8924080p-8824177c.html .....

I don't think you understand that BO's race is over. The winning team has only one dick between them. That is so-ooo natural...... and they even have policies, or at least, Palin does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QevraCQUc&feature=related But what impresses me the most is that neither her nor McCain are lawyers. The age of legalism must come to an end or we will all be ruled by totalitarian states - and the Neocons' PNAC is no exception.

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Phildeerhound
September 9th, 2008

I must say I really got a good chuckle out of your last one (this time as Fong)

Your portrayal of the great choice before America as being the choice between the Rule of Law and the Rule of a gun toting Fundamentalist Eskimo Squaw with her finger on the nuclear button, is particularly entertaining for those with a macabre sense of humour - And its your image not mine. I really don’t care if she is the worlds greatest Igloo specialist – white as snow (for which I believe the Innuit have forty three words) or blacker than Obama

Dare I suggest – before we are all incinerated (that would make your igloo melt) - that you may perhaps have made the wrong choice, especially with your apparent recognition that between the Republican candidate for the Vice Presidency and the Republican candidate for the Oval Office (and the nuclear trigger), there is but one person who has policies.

Succinctly put by you I feel, Fong. Unfortunately however it is the organ grinder that plays the tune – the monkey merely sits on the top holding the mug out for some other mug to put the cash in.

Ever been had? – as they used to say

You further say: “It also reminds me that the executive at GetUp are effectively discriminating against aged and disabled people and the unemployed by failing to take an interest in supporting their needs in the community and as regards their being underpaid by something like $80 per week.”

I would have said even more underpaid myself - but your casting GetUp as being discriminatory in failing to take up a cause you appear to have yet to suggest seems a bit cheeky

Admit it – as far as you are concerned if GetUp campaigns for something, as in the intervention matter that is the real subject of this blog – they are in the wrong as far as you are concerned - and now if they can be accused (falsely by you) of doing nothing, they’re in trouble with you again

The bottom line is that I don’t think you really care about any issue – its really all a game of trying to destroy a forum for democratically minded people.

Isn’t that a bit like a child in a tantrum holding his breath until he gets his own way. He only hurts himself there too.

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