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What's it like at a GetTogether?


Posted on the campaign blog , May 28th, 2009

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GetTogethers can be an amazing, insightful way to come face-to-face with other GetUp members and most importantly create change from the grassroots up with others in your local community. If you've never attended or hosted a GetTogether before you might be unsure as to what to expect. Below is some feedback from a GetUp member who hosted one of our Vision GetTogethers in 2008.

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The GetTogether was the weirdest experience. But nice. Both novel and inspiring - there I was, a bit over-stretched and reluctantly dragooned into hosting a GetTogether for GetUp, whatever that meant. I hadn’t had to do much. I just clicked the ‘volunteer’ type button supplied in their website and gave my address. Not too difficult. Then lo and behold, within 24 hours my 16 allocated places had all been taken. 16 people I didn’t know had said they would come and join the GetTogether at my house. All I knew was their names. That felt odd. A few had emailed to ask about bringing food and drinks, and another for instructions on getting there by public transport, but mainly there was absolutely nothing but a name. I decided to get a friend to join me. She was meant to be having dinner with her mother-in-law so they both came. For moral support. In case. (In the event both she and the mother-in-law came… offering excellent moral support with the drinks, the minutes and a post-meeting discussion!)

There were a few cancellations, sick children or spouses or some just couldn’t make it… and the person who had been going to join us by bus from work in Tuggeranong missed his connection so had to cancel on the night.

It was just odd waiting for these total strangers to arrive and as people started to knock and enter it was positively freaky having these names take shape. The digital identity taking human form. I suppose that nexus is starting to be more common – internet dating happens, after all, but I imagine the lead in is probably more targeted, with a bit more background information supplied… whereas there was no indication about anything with these people.

What happened was that as people arrived and became a palpable identity the fear of the anarchic hordes who operate on the internet was entirely dispelled, and this amazingly broad cross-section of Australians who are concerned at the direction Australia is taking was revealed. I felt as if we could have been a TV ad showing how caring and concerned Australians of all ages and types are.

Twelve of us. Such a beautiful array of different people/backgrounds. There was the 82 year old retired Uniting Church Minister and his ageing wife … she didn’t like computers but was there as the driver and she was as passionate as anyone regarding the issues needing addressing in Canberra and beyond… There was the 19 year old who had recently left his apprenticeship to do tertiary study because he’s always been fascinated by politics… The professional woman who had recently moved to Canberra to run a local theatre company… she was beautiful and beautifully attired, with a good feel for how to get people’s attentions to focus on the relevant issues. The retired school counselor and her sign-writer husband, both of whom have become members of the Greens but agreed with the meeting’s desire to educate people regarding the non party-political nature of GetUp. (Undoubtedly many political parties would sympathise or endorse the issues which have been taken up by GetUp, and many of those political parties would currently be in Opposition, but many members of the Coalition would also sympathise with issues taken up by GetUp -- in fact Malcolm Fraser could be typecast as its ideal patron!)

All of which goes to illustrate the next amazing thing. Here we were. This bunch of strangers who had nothing in common but a concern for the direction Australia (and the world) is taking. (And maybe we live close-ish to each other, and many of us are likely to be competent computer users, but this doesn’t seem much to go on). The amazing thing is that we were able to discuss passionate issues constructively and courteously and come to agreements so effectively. As we talked there were common strands in people’s interests, obviously reflecting issues GetUp have taken up. Concerns for refugees, for indigenous Australians. A feeling that we must do everything we can to care for our planet and that our Governments should be leading the way on this. A desire to avoid the disenfranchisement of any Australian, particularly the young (and in my case particularly the prisoners). A sense that the Iraq war is and was all wrong… An eclectic range but just so refreshing and inspiring to find a group of strangers who also care.

We decided to focus particularly on the abysmal nature of public transport in Canberra with its consequent negative impact on the environment, and the issue of disenfranchisement – this seems to be occurring in Australia in a number of ways and we were focusing on the new laws passed (without adequate scrutiny by an effective Senate) closing the rolls so soon after an election is called (the question of whether the AEC is effectively targeting the young was one of the issues to be researched/explored). The other sense of disenfranchisement we have is with respect to the failure of Australian politicians to adequately address climate change when it is of such widespread concern. Various actions around these themes were devised by the meeting and have been committed to by group members.

I have been a member of many NGO’s over many years and I swear I have never been, with so little trouble, part of creating a 12 person group whose members have committed themselves to on-going participation… particularly when the group has that challenging focus of being action oriented – when it’s about stirring ourselves and prodding ourselves to take actions and promote causes of social justice (and we were able to start this constructive process so effectively at our first meeting – I think it was seven concrete actions about to be undertaken by members of the group). It’s amazing. An organic process managed by the people, with help from technology. For me personally it really was no hassle. All I had to do was click the button, wait for a bit and then buy biscuits and open my door.*

*Well OK to be entirely truthful I also had to download the audio file, turn on my computer speakers, answer a few emails, a phone call and print out some materials. Still not very onerous.

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Gay
May 29th, 2009

How interesting to read your blog. I am in the middle of deciding whether to have a GetTogether or not. I still have to check with my husband and children if they mind if we have it in our home. The only thing I am not sure of is the subject matter of the GetTogether as I am more passionate about other issues. Perhaps discussion and action regarding a human rights bill can be all encompassing.
Thank you for giving me some insight into how a GetTogether functions.

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GetUp
June 2nd, 2009

Thanks Gay - the best thing about this GetTogether is that you can cover as many issues as you have time to! Human rights protection is a really broad topic, covering most of the issues we campaign on.

We really encourage you to host a GetTogether - we'll provide you with all the info you'll need.

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Guy
May 29th, 2009


I have been in a "get together" before about climate change
I DID NOT LIKE the way getup set it with a one vue supply of informations. This was not a grassroot meeting. It sounded more like a lecture .

If this "human rights" is serious it has to affect fundamentals in our constitution as a "preambule" for a start
We have to detach Australia from the grip of the "Anglo/duch " empire, have a president ELECTED
and change our monetary system which makes us slaves of a bunch of private bansters.
In that context it is worth spending time on our rights
Patching a faulty system leads nowhere
Guy

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White slave trash
May 30th, 2009

You,re so right Guy,the Anglo-Dutch Mont-Pelerin Society dudes have been in control for-ever!They obviously bribe or coerce "OUR POLITICIANS"to act for them,befor& after elections,it is no wonder that people are finally fed up!

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Archie
May 30th, 2009

I am living in a rooming house amongst people who unfortunately have very little or no interest in politics,in this place there is no room to host anything! Perhaps the Sam Merrifield library might be willing,but I think I would be too shy to be host.Solar-Power is my favourite hobby-horse,as seen on ABC,s "The New Inventors"ep.38 oct. 2005.A fantastic invention,a solution to mankind,s input to pollution of the air and global warming!But it has been hidden away,oh to find out who is responsible for that!

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GetUp
June 2nd, 2009

Hi Archie - it's great you want to host an event.

If you're shy, that's fine: hosting an event doesn't mean you have to run the evening, just find the venue and post it on the site to draw others to it. The group can choose someone more outgoing to lead the discussion on the night.

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Paul Spencer
May 31st, 2009

I'd like to know what the outcome of these get-togethers is. Do we produce something like a statement or whatever that gets sent in to contribute to the campaign, or is it just a discussion to help build community. Just that would be a great idea but I want to know before I decide to host one.

I'm a bit concerned by the comment Guy made about it being like a lecture with GetUp's point of view being pushed. I'd be surprised if GetUp had the resources even to be sending lecturers round to all the get-togethers so it sounds like a random individual host or guest dominating the meeting.

On that, it can be annoying and useless going to a public meeting that has no skilled facilitation or plan for how it will run because someone with a bee in their bonnet gets the floor and the whole thing goes off on a pointless tangent.

So what is the set-up? Is it a simple case of "invite 16 people over and talk, the end" or is there more structure and support than that?

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Freeman
May 31st, 2009

Yes Paul, structure for group discussions is definitely important. Perhaps the best way forward is for the host of the GetTogether to ask attendees to contribute their agenda prior to meeting, and bring any supporting research along. This would also help broadening the discussion from a 'lecture'-style info session into a brainstorm with less potential for pointless targets.

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Paul Spencer
June 2nd, 2009

In posting here, I'm actually trying to draw some information out of the GetUp crew themselves, or someone else who knows. So far it sounds like GetUp is simply asking us to hold a get-together on the night chosen and that's all. Is there any more to it than that? Is there a way for our meeting to feed back into the campaign? Is there any information to help us have a more informed discussion? Is there a recommended way of proceeding through the meeting?

As I said, simply getting together is a very valuable thing to do, especially in the state our society is in with so little sense of community or togetherness. But this is a specific campaign and I don't see how our get-togethers contribute to the campaign except in the most general, background way.

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GetUp
June 2nd, 2009

Hi Paul and Freeman,

The outcome of the GetTogether will be a submission (or submissions if there is disagreement) that the group will send in to the government consultation currently going on.

There is no predetermined content of that submission - it is entirely up to your group - but GetUp does supply a structure for the night that your group is welcome to follow, and on-call support if you have any problems or questions.

Hope you can see the merit in hosting one yourself!

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Mai
August 30th, 2009

That is a worthy idea. Online is a safe haven for people to voice their opinions. Minds thinking aloud and communicating with one another (yes that sounds a bit airy fairy, but it's what we are doing) without being PRE judged by what ethnicity they are, what age they are, gender or simply what they wear.

I am quite taken with this notion of random humanity meeting
in real life as well though. But perhaps after some initial dialouge so we know where we're going (roughly). Get any petty issues out of the way online before you welcome people into your house. so that they are already quasi-friends. because it would be a shame to go to the effort and have the passion wasted if the meeting were to be a dud for whatever reason (indirection, shyness, differing views etc)

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Robin G
June 6th, 2009

What does Australia think? Surely this is the question to which GetUp is facilitating answers. Once, in colonial times, when each state was setting up its House(s) of parliament, we had a sort of Representative Democracy: it was expected that Federation would make this style of representation nationwide. Now with the Party System, preferential voting, and centralisation of power in bodies like COAG, the gulf between those represented and those supposedly rerepresenting them has widened considerably. There is room for, and a need for, a diffuse, people- centred organisation, like GetUp, to canvas the range of Australian opinion so that those in the lofty halls of power are no longer separated from the ideas of those whom they are representing. Most importantly, the funneling of general opinion through GetUp will ensure that We know that They know what we are thinking.

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Yoma
June 3rd, 2009

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Gabe
June 3rd, 2009

Interesting to see the comments of others. At the moment I'm trying to set up a group for a Human Rights discussion.
Two (2) peopole have signed in, but GetUp has sent five (5) e-mails exhorting me to welcome (presumabely) five (5) people. As I said, only two (2) appear on the group list. And neiither of these has an e-mail address set up or posted that I can use. I've sent two (2) e-mails to GetUp to seek claification and advice. No help to date.

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christian borleis
June 5th, 2009

freedom of speechin Australia endangered by ADL.

Without fight and lobbying the government Truth will no longer a defense

Thanks Christian

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June 11th, 2009

URGENT:- ASK FOR A 90 DAYS EXTENSION FOR THIS SUBMISSION. We need more time so "WE THE PEOPLE" can ALL put forward our most pressing comments TOGETHER. Our CONSTITUTION dose have good LAWS but we have some people flouting these good laws... THIS IS THE PROBLEM. This would also resolve most all problems. Many "So Called Laws" are FRAUDULENT, TREASONOUS, SUBVERSIVE, TREACHERY BY STEALTH, DECEIT, CRIMINAL, SPURIOUS, AND WORSE, IT IS DEATH TO OUR "SOVEREIGNTY". FOR "SOVEREIGNTY" IS IN.... "US" ....NOT THE LAND OR MONEY OR ANY OTHER STUFF.

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Doc
June 11th, 2009

URGENT:- I repeat..... "WE THE PEOPLE" ARE "THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THIS NATION". Our "Constitution" gives us our rights by "REFERENDUM'S". WE MUST TAKE BACK "OUR SOVEREIGN RIGHTS BY REFERENDUM". NOT BY MORE LAWS. WE HAVE A GOOD "CONSTITUTION" AND OUR GOVERNMENT MUST BE HELD TO IT. THIS SO- CALLED HUMAN RIGHTS SUBMISSION IS MORE DECEIT BY STEALTH, FRAUDULENT, AND TREACHERY THAT IS CAUSING MANY TO BECOME ANGRY AND UPSET HINDERING THEM FROM COMING TOGETHER WITH US ALL. IF YOU ARE UPSET FOLKS, JOIN US IN GETTING BACK "THE SOVEREIGN RIGHTS OF WE THE PEOPLE". LETS KICK OUT THOSE IN POSITIONS OF LEADERSHIP WHO WILL NOT FOLLOW ..."THE CONSTITUTION OF WE THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE" OF THIS LAND...ABORIGINALS NEED TO KNOW THIS DOSE INCLUDE THEM. Doc from Lismore NSW

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Doc
June 11th, 2009

This "Human Rights Submission" is not enough. It can not possibly give us enough time to say all the things we all wish to have a voice in. SO as I have said ....... We need a 90 DAY extension of time to get to the core of the matter and that is ... We do not need more laws. We need to kick out any person who dose not give recognition to "OUR SOVEREIGN RIGHTS " UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION. Government can NEVER have a MANDATE of their own making...THAT IS TREASON AND DECEPTION BY STEALTH. ALL MATTERS CAN BE HANDLED BY REFERENDUM BY ......... "ALL WE THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE WHO ARE THIS NATION". FIGHT FOR THIS AND ALL ELSE WILL FOLLOW. NOW STUDY HOW WE GOT OUR LAWS AND WHERE THEY REALLY COME FROM. NOW ASK YOURSELF WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE WHEN OFFICIALS TAKE OFFICE. THIS MAY SURPRISE SOME BUT THEY TAKE AN "OATH OF OFFICE" BASED ON... WAIT FOR IT.... THE BIBLE.. AND ANYTHING ELSE IS "TREASON". THAT IS WHY THEY SAY "SO HELP ME....GOD". AS RIPPLY SAYS "BELIEVE IT OR NOT". THAT'S THE TRUTH. Doc from Lismore NSW. Lischiro@hotmail.com

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Howling Wind
June 14th, 2009

Human Rights are the product of pre-revolutionary situations. That is why they have always appeared as the intellectual by product of such periods as pre revolutionary France, the lead-in to the American War of Independence, and the immediate Post Second World War epoch, when the enactment of radical changes seemed possible in formerly occupied countries, in the defeated powers themselves, and in the old Colonial Empires.

The development of Human Rights requires a concurrent move to alter power and economic structures and ratios. They are about changes to the distribution of wealth, to the structures of class and caste, and to the division and command of military and administrative power

This is why changes to Human Rights cannot exist in a power vacuum broken only by intellectual and emotional argument. Nor can they successfully be brought about by simple philosophical changes to existing social democratic parties that were constructed to bring into real existence earlier and less advanced aims - actions in which, in any case, they have signally failed.

What is required are new political parties that have Human Rights, and concurrent political military and economic change, at their constitutional core. Such parties are best founded on an international level paying no undue respect to the evolved irrational boundaries of the middle class capitalist epoch

Human Rights reform is about founding new vehicles to carry the aims, aspirations and desires of the people into administrative power. It is about ending privilege and disadvantage.

It is about a new political movement aimed at radical change. Like it or lump it

All else is masturbation

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Wobblyone
June 19th, 2009

Well said Howling Wind... Bit like a draught under the kitchen door that is likely to produce a pandemic of Swine Flu. . But it might penetrate to some slight degree. Have a lovely evening my friend. Your comment

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Gordon from Bardon 4065
June 18th, 2009

Hello Friends of Human Rights,

It's been a week since we met and I am writing to you to thank you for coming to our meeting and participating by writing a submission to the Human Rights Commission. For those of you who were unable to attend I have included a short summary of the meeting so you know what happened.

Summary:

Participants were greeted by Fiona and Gordon at Fiona's house and Fiona commenced the meeting by welcoming everyone. She introduced the special guest speakers Professor Spencer Zivcak and Alison King.

Spencer commenced his talk by telling us of three cases of refugees seeking Refugee Status in Australia and the mistreatment they experienced at the hands of officials, the courts, and politicians. He was able to show that had we Human Rights protection these three persons and many others like them would not have been treated so disgracefully. Spencer pointed out that children caught up in detention as refugees in Australia have no rights under the Australian Constitution or any other law as well. He said this happens because we do not have a Charter or Bill of Rights to protect them.

Opponents of HR (Human Rights Charter/Bill in Australia) were discussed next. Some very public opposition is coming from the following; those characterised as the most conservative of the conservative. For example John Howard, the Menzies Institute, Paul De Jersey, elements of the Christian movement like the Australian Christian Lobby, the Catholic Archdioceses of Melbourne, the opposition parties the Liberal Party and the National Party, and many other groups, institutions and individuals. There are a number consistent themes in opposition to the proposed HR reforms and some of these these are:

HR Bill is a front for general lefty type reforms
Significant power will be transferred from the political system to the courts
More liberal abortion laws
Euthanasia will be legalised
Same sex marriage will be legalised
Church institutions will no longer be excluded from anti discrimination law

Many of the arguments against HR do not stand up when the HR legislation in the UK and New Zealand are considered. Both countries have similar legislation as that proposed for Australia. The experience in both countries is that the fears expressed by the HR opponents are not borne out.

Next we considered the benefits of an HR Bill. A HR Bill would impinge on all legislation before Parliament and all law would have to conform with HR before it can be enacted. The two main types of HR are characterised as Civil & Political, and Economic & Social. They can be summarised as follows as the Rights To :-
Life and Liberty; Freedom from torture; Not be pressed into slavery; Freedom of thought and conscience; Freedom of expression and association; Not be discriminated against; Privacy; Freedom of information; Hold property; Cultural affiliation; A fair trial; Not be arbitrarily detained; Protection upon arrest and detention; Vote and participate in political affairs; Be involved in social issues; Be educated; Health and medicine; Social security; Housing; An adequate standard of living.

It was noted that Australia is the only advanced democracy to not have HR protection.

Meeting participants were then encouraged to write personal submissions to the Human Rights Commission and most attendees wrote one. The meeting closed about 9.30 pm.

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Wobbly
June 19th, 2009

Yeah yeah yeah.... Shit it's cold here in Queensland this year. Much colder than normal. And I know, I know, Al Gore isn't making megabucks from you wankers, wandering the world showing his video's of the stirene foam falling into the bathtub trying to look like melting icecaps. And noooooooo.... Oh nooooo.... President Clinton didn't have sex with Monica Lewinski. That wasn't sex... Hahahahaha
You silly buggers need to get yourselves a haircut and a job and the sooner the dole runs out, the better off we'll all be...
And while we're at it... Why don't you all go and get that "conditioning" jab they're handing out because one of the drug companies was going broke. It won't stop you getting "swine flu", but you will probably finish up "grunting" quite a bit.
It's all bloody mad. And the Creator must be wondering what the hell he has to do to bring you wankers into line.
Have a lovely day.
Wobbly

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Howling Wind
July 4th, 2009

The Fair Work system should be entirely operated by persons paid the minimum wage and who have had an assets test to ensure they are not receiving other incomes or living in houses that they already own

Award wage levels have in the past always been set by people at the upper end of the wage scale - who surprisingly enough find ways to have their careers opted out of the entire structure.

It is time either ALL incomes were governed by the award scheme - including those of so called "professionals" or that - out of fairness - the award system was scrapped only to be used to govern maximum and minimum income levels

Any structure that uses legislation to create a non level playing field in wage levels is by definition "corrupt". Courts and Tribunals operated by persons on high incomes deciding the remuneration of persons on lower incomes are also by definition a corruption of human rights principles.

The present system whereby the rich make the decisions has been an appalling flop. The economic disaster shows that the rich are simply not up to the job

The basic industrial principle is that where someone cannot do the job you sack them

So is there anyone on under 40K that would like the job of industrial commissioner

Applications in triplicate should be sent to the Deputy Prime Minister, Parliament House , Canberra ACT

Please include a stamped address envelope.

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Jack O\'neil
July 28th, 2009

Dear Getup Members

Regardless of the importance of this issue, there is no more serious issue facing all Australians at this point in time than that of the slow POISONING of every man, woman and child for PROFIT and POPULATION REDUCTION. For those who may find this difficult to comprehend, with respect, your Brain and Body has possibly been drip-fed this most toxic and poisonous Medication known to mankind, for several years. This deliberate Act has finally come back to Bite Australia's Economy via Export Trade. Please do your research. Also see.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25842932-3102,00.html
Your
friend Jack.

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Jack O\'neil
July 28th, 2009

Dear Getup Members

Regardless of the importance of this issue, there is no more serious issue facing all Australians at this point in time than that of the slow POISONING of every man, woman and child for PROFIT and POPULATION REDUCTION. For those who may find this difficult to comprehend, with respect, your Brain and Body has possibly been drip-fed this most toxic and poisonous Medication known to mankind, for several years. This deliberate Act has finally come back to Bite Australia's Economy via Export Trade. Please do your research. Also see.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25842932-3102,00.html
Your
friend Jack.

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Jack O\'neil
July 29th, 2009

Dear Getup Members

Regardless of the importance of this issue, there is no more serious issue facing all Australians at this point in time than that of the slow POISONING of every man, woman and child for PROFIT and POPULATION REDUCTION. For those who may find this difficult to comprehend, with respect, your Brain and Body has possibly been drip-fed this most toxic and poisonous Medication known to mankind, for several years. This deliberate Act has finally come back to Bite Australia's Economy via Export Trade. Please do your research. Also see.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25842932-3102,00.html

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Karooseun
September 16th, 2009

We foreigners,from the begining of the invasion of this land Australia and in years that followed all migrants have ejoyed the best of this land,but at the expense of the real owners the Aboriginal nation,although racist say people.But its time the Aboriginal people should be recognized as the custodians,and not second class citizens,and we should reconize that and act in like manner

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HW
September 16th, 2009

Have you the first idea of Australian history, K?

Firstly there was no "Aboriginal nation" - rather there was a vast variety of different tribes with varying customs, mythologies, languages and cultures. Often these groups clashed.

All people should try to be "custodians" of the land they live in, wherever they were born. No-one has greater claim to that burden and responsibility. We are all responsible as custodians of our environment

The migrants here over the last two hundred years have not only "enjoyed the best of this land" they have also experienced the very worst, often as victims of the same power structure that hurt indigenous peoples. White society has been split into warring classes for over two thousand years. There is no "white monolith" - and never was

Living conditions in Australia amongst whites also have often been appalling, disease amongst whites too was rampant in the nineteenth century - and then there were the wars and the depression

To a young person the myth of a rich and united, universal, white racist class that repressed and destroyed black people in a genocidal manner whilst enjoying the fruits of the land may well be appealing. But this myth represents a laziness to learn the truth, to study more closely and analytically

Sadly I find on GetUp - of all places- a tendency to remain within the boundaries of this same myth. It will get us nowhere towards building a better society. It is lazy and counter productive.

The problems that now hurt indigenous peoples are in the present, where we can fix them - not in romanticising over the past - over the Age of Empires. We need to get over resentment as well as racism. We need to stop sulking over what might have been, should have been (or even actually was)

Very few of us have a realistic claim to blame for what happened long ago. We are to blame for what Government is failing to put right now

So how about recognising that those of us living in bilingual cultures - and I include both indigenous peoples and migrants - need more educational resources per capita - especially in our early years - than other children

Let's demand that Governments allocate those resources for all our children and for remedial education for those who have missed out, as part of a Human Rights realisation strategy

Let's get real - stop the endless waffle about land custodianship, spiritual connection with the land, people living in sustained harmony with the earth and so on - It is boring, and people who are bored stop listening and stop being sympathetic to the cause of human betterment, or even to the cause of protection of cultural diversity

Lets get real and on with the job. "More matter and less art" - as Shakespeare put it

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naive
October 7th, 2009

Subject: Ross Greenwood/Alan Jones Comments - This is SCARY
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:13:57 +0800



Ross Greenwood Quote:

Subject: From - Ross Greenwood of Money News

Right now the Federal Government is at pains to tell everyone - including us the mug-punters to the International Monetary Fund that it will not exceed its own, self-imposed, borrowing limits. How much? $200 billion. And here's a worry. If you work in a bank's money market operation; or if you are a politician; the millions turn into billions and it rolls off the tip of the tongue a bit too easily.

But every dollar that is borrowed, some time, has to be repaid. By you, by me and by the rest of the country.

Just after 5 o'clock tonight I did a bit of maths for Jason Morrison. But it's so staggering its worth repeating now. First though ... here's what Chairman Rudd has been saying about - what he calls - these temporary borrowings. Remember those words ... temporary deficit . but the total Government debt could end up around $200 billion.

So here's a very basic calculation ... I used a home loan calculator to work it out ... it's that simple.

$200 billion is $200,000 million. The current 10 year Government bond rate is 4.67 per cent. I worked the loan out over a period of 20 years.

Now here's where it gets scary ... really scary.

The repayments on $200 billion come to more than one and a quarter billion dollars - every month - for 20 years. It works out we - as taxpayers - will be repaying $15.4 billion in interest and principal every year ... $733 for every man woman and child - every year.

The total interest bill over the 20 years is - get this - $108 billion.

And remember, this is a Government that just 18 months ago had NO debt . NO debt. In fact it had enough money to create the Future Fund to pay the future liabilities of public servants' superannuation ... and it had enough to stick $20 billion into the Building Australia Fund last year ....

Money News

Ross Greenwood Presenter



Alan Jones Comment - this is frightening:

......... a note that was sent to me which explains to me that the six leading members of the Government from Mr. Rudd down, the top six have a collective work experience of 181 years, but only 13 in the private sector.
If you take out of those 13 years the number that were spent as trade union lawyers, that total 11, of the 181 years only two years were spent in the private sector.

So the people who will rack up a net Federal debt of a minimum of $188 billion, the highest in our history, have virtually no experience in business.

So out of 181 years:

- no years spent running their own business
- no years spent starting their own business
- no years spent as a director of a family business or a company
- no years as a director of a public company
- no years in a senior position in a public company
- no years in a senior position in a private company
- no years working in corporate finance
- no years in corporate or business restructuring
- no years working in or with a bank
- no years of experience in the capital markets
- no years in a stock-broking firm
- no years in negotiating debt facilities with banks
- no years running a small business
- no years at the World Bank or IMF or OECD
- no years in Treasury or Finance.

But these people have plunged Australia into unprecedented debt, and now threaten to torpedo employee share schemes which they plainly don't understand.

Well, in a way you can't blame them. It's clear that the electorate did not do their homework, because the Government is there by right.

They were given a thumping majority to lead the country. It's just that no one seemed to ask, most of all the press gallery in Canberra , in what direction.





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Jack O\'Neil
October 30th, 2009

Is Australia to be Sold-Out to the Communist NWO by Rudd? See the Film!

UK politician, columnist and policy adviser to Mrs Thatcher, Lord Monckton Nobel Prize Winner, says the Copenhagen Treaty will implement ‘World Government’ and take away the National Sovereignty of every Nation that signs up and there is no provision for voting, ballots or democracy anywhere in the treaty. Here’s part of Lord Monckton’s recent speech in the US: http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=4197&linkbox=true&position=1

However, the idea that PM Kevin Rudd will actually sign up Australia to “world government’ without actually announcing it, to me is bizarre and deceitful – in fact you could call it treason and fraud if such a profound change was done without the consent of the people. Obviously a world government would require a taxation base. So MPs, what else will it require? What laws will it impose? What happens to our existing laws?

Australia will lose her Sovereignty and Constitution becoming enslaved to the Criminal Psychopathic Globalists.

Lord Monckton says international technical panels will have the right to directly intervene in individual countries over the head of governments we elect. How does this work?

Again, are there any MPs out there who know something about this? Perhaps Kevin Rudd’s office might like to inform us?

VOTE NO TO AUSTRALIA SIGNING ANY TREATY IN COPENHAGEN
See Lord Monckton’s Film

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DD
July 23rd, 2010

Jack please stop lying. Here is an article from the web on the looney claim that Monckton has a Nobel Prize. Jack you post bosh, bosh and more bosh. You now seem to be having New World Order fantasies of the kind often found in psychosis sufferers who are inappropriately or inadequately medicated

==QUOTE

Sorry Lord Monckton. You are a fraud.

Let’s leave the argument about climate change for other people and another day. This is all about your continued claims to be something you are not - the winner of the Nobel Prize.

The third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley was in Canberra yesterday. He held a private audience with Tony Abbott. Then he addressed an adoring audience who were quite happy to join him in an oddly schoolboyish display.

Lord Monckton would bellow “ETS?”. The crowd needed little encouragement to shout back “NO!” And so on.

But the disturbing element was Lord Monckton’s insistence on Truth. If Truth needed further bolstering, he broke into Latin. He invoked everyone from 12th Century Arabic philosophers to Pontius Pilate. “Quid Est Veritas?” asked Lord Monckton.

Quid, indeed.

He left no doubt that his was a life in lonely dedication to Truth - that thing, he says, that never changes no matter how many lies are told. For him, human-caused global warming is not simply wrong, or bad science. It is a lie. Or in his view, many lies. So back to his Nobel prize.

For some time - Google “Monckton” and “Nobel Prize” and see for yourself - the great sceptic-in- chief has been passing himself off as a Nobel Laureate.

Cornered last month by the Sydney Morning Herald, he reportedly said it was “a joke, a joke.”
Yet the website of his organisation, the Science and Public Policy Institute - as of yesterday - continues to press the claim.

The site is extremely specific. Lord Monckton “earned the status of Nobel Peace Laureate (through) his contribution to the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report in 2007.”

That contribution itself is detailed. Furthermore, the website continues, “his Nobel Prize pin...was presented to him by the Emeritus Professor of Physics at the University of Rochester, New York.”
What credible person would not correct the error immediately - if it is indeed an error. To be sure, I rang the Nobel Committee that administers the Peace Prize.

Committee secretary Geir Lundestat had never heard of Lord Monckton. I emailed him the Monckton website. “The claim is ridiculous,” said Lundestat. “He is not a laureate - no way, no way.” Thousands of people, he said, participated in the program of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which shared the 2007 prize with Al Gore.

“But the organisation won the prize. Not even Dr Rajendra Pachauri (the chair of the IPCC) is an individual laureate.” No individual, no matter what their involvement with the IPCC, can pass themselves off an a Nobel Laureate. As for Lord Monckton’s Nobel Prize pin? “It certainly wasn’t issued by us,” said Lundestat. “We have no pin.”

So now you know. Not that the news will disturb many of those lovers of Truth who pack the halls to hear him speak.

+++


Including Jack!

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Eric Glare
July 14th, 2010

Not enough notice to host a Get-Together and I don't even work.

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tim from brunswick
July 22nd, 2010

Just come from a Get UP get together. How inspiring ! We're going to change the world !

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gracie
July 23rd, 2010

Attended a marvellous if small get together last night. It was soooo inspiring to have people who had mostly not previously met, discuss together the GetUp issues, Climate Change, Refugees and Mental Health. Then to come up within one hou,r with as well coordinated plan of 3 actions, all with key contacts, actions by every attendee, unobtrusively enjoying some tea, coffee and food as well--

This is the stuff of real community, de-centralised activity in the interests of all Australians.

Well done GetUp and keep up this great work

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Fern
July 23rd, 2010

Hosting a get together was first implusive, then reluctant and then surprised at the generosity of strangers. The whole process was well planned and thought through from the GETUP team. It made the process on the night easy. There was alot we didnt have to worry about. It was good to know the Getup were there waiting at the phones or on available on skype for any glitches. My congradulations goes to the unseen team.

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DD
July 23rd, 2010

Please understand that many of us are a bit "beyond" meetings. That is not a sign of lack of practical support, however - far from it. It is just that many of us older colleagues are happier to remain a little more in the background

The world will belong to the younger generation. As a parent of a recently graduated child, I am very proud of the new generation

Go for it - especially with these meetings. We are there beside you all - in spirit - cheering on your efforts to build a better world.

We didn't do so bad ourselves - we still don't! Remember don't "try" or "battle" - have a go at "success" instead, and you will win through.

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Fustrated citizen Douglas
August 9th, 2010

Again we see the crazy situation of election time in Australia where the principal politicians spend most of their time rubishing each other and making excessive and irrational promisses mostly based on the vested interest of getting those few crutial votes in marginal electorates regardless of big picture issues.
We desperately need a change to honesty & ethics in politics where the issue is addressed & not the people around it.
Getup can dramaticly help to change this because of your; our ability to communicate the truth outside of the vested interests of previously conventional communication means.
So that we can have faith in politicians who have backbone and will not run us around in circles to the detriment of everybody. Spend some time and LISTEN to your locally candidates & see who actualy talks to the issue with the intention of addressing it ; rather than around it-(as most well experienced polies do)

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GISELLE MONIKA WAGNER
August 16th, 2010

I cannot believe that there is not a Get-Up booth in Ballina !!!

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Amy
August 16th, 2010

Hi guys,

I have RSPV'd to an event, but it said the event time is 8am. On the first page it said I could just attend for a few hours, which is what I'm hoping to do, as I do have other plans. I tried to log in so that I could get more info but the site is giving me crap, I entered my info like 5 times and it kept taking me back to the start... suggestions? I want to rock up to the Lilley electorate.

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Bob
August 17th, 2010

Isn't it a bit late--having the election 'get-togethers' actually ON election day?
Regards Bob

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Billy
August 20th, 2010

Bob, what we're doing at our GetTogether is going to the polling booths and handing out issue scorecards to people as they go in to vote.

My local paper is indicating that 14% of people in our electorate will make up their minds who to vote on election day or the few days before. Given that the seat is held by a 0.5% majority, our actions may change the result of this election - at least in our electorate.

So, go check out what's happening in your electorate and give the organiser of your local GetTogether a call. Even on the day of the election, I'm sure they'll take up the offer of an extra person helping out.

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