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Our Land, Our Voices


Posted on the campaign blog , August 10th, 2007
The laws enabling the radical intervention of the Federal Government into the Northern Territory Indigenous communities are currently before the Parliament. Five hundred pages of legislation, a one-day Senate hearing, and only two days of debate for laws that dramatically affect land tenure, welfare and the rights of Aboriginal communities in the NT – and, above all, no consultation with Indigenous people.

The paternalistic approach to Indigenous affairs is one of the main reasons for continuing Indigenous disadvantage in Australia, and many hold fears this new Government paternalism will make things worse, not better.

GetUp travelled to Canberra and met with Indigenous leaders from Central Australia, who were in the capital to find someone to listen to their as yet unheard voices. The experience was an emotional one, but an uplifting one. Read their comments below on the changes that will affect their communities.



Gina Smith
"We’re a group of Central Australian delegates that represent our constituents back home in the Central Area. We just wanted to say that we welcome the child abuse report and intervention of child abuse, but we don’t want our permit system removed because it means so much to our protection of our lands and sacred sites and knowing who can and can’t go there. We had to get permits to come into parliament house – we’re bound by their rules, and our permit system works the same as this. We come here, we have rules that we have to follow, they come to our country they should have to do the same."

Harry Nelson
"We came down here to lobby to the Government about our rights and we’re not too happy about what the Government has done, bamboozling us with the army and the police. People were misled in a way. The presence of the army and the police upset many of our communities and we hope that our message of the last few days that we’ve been staying here in Canberra has been heard by the bosses. Our rights were taken away."

Walter Shaw
"This year’s supposed to be a commemorative year for Aboriginal people in Australia considering the 1967 referendum and NAIDOC. We’re down here in Canberra now fighting for our future existence. We want to be the third party as an equal partner with the Federal Government and the NT Government."



Valda Shannon
"We are particularly offended by the exclusion of the Racial Discrimination Act. We do support some changes to welfare like linking payments to school attendance and child neglect, but the proposal to hold back 50% from everyone is discriminatory and doesn’t encourage positive behavior, and there’s no plan beyond quarantining.
With the permits removed there going to be a lot more problems entering into the community. Who’s going to police the law, the people wandering into the places where they’re supposed to have a permit?"

Gilbert Corbett
"I’m a delegate that will stand by my people to stay on behalf of them, talking about all regions in the Central Land Council. We came here because of the permits. We need to keep strong for ourselves and our sacred sites so we can look after our country so that we can pass everything to our children so that they can carry on."

Lindsay Bookie, Chair of Central Land Council
"With the Land Rights Act everything started, doing land claims to get our land back. We had to go to prove that Australia was our country. We had to show our sacred stories to these governments. We only show that to our young people, not to white men, white women. Now the Government’s pulling it from under our feet and taking it from us again. What are we going to do? They took it away from us in the first place, then we had to prove that it was our country. And the new laws come in, now it’s all going to be taken away from us from under our feet."



Consultation should be the first step in any plan that will affect the lives of these communities. It is clear the Government is trying to avoid scrutiny of these laws, and we see it as our role to make it known that the Australian people will not stand idly by while the rights of the voiceless are trampled for political expediency. Let our politicians know that we demand workable solutions based on proper consultation, and vigourous debate and rigourous scrutiny of the laws that do so.

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Brian Donaldson
August 10th, 2007

After 10 years of humbug and inertia; after 200 years of abuse and neglect; and after 35 years of indigenous leaders camping outside parliament waiting, rather begging for consultation...

The Government has finally decided that NOW we have a national emergency; that NOW we need emergency legislation.

The 500 page booklet of legislation currently (fleetingly) before the senate is dripping with legal errors, and with ill-considered, un-considered extreme measures. It is a booklet so soggy with blunder and delusion that the Government knows it cannot be handled, examined or debated lest it fall apart completely.

Our Indigenous leaders have waited 35 years on Parliament's doorstep to talk about this - but our Government has not the humility nor the gumption to consult them.

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Nick Cox
August 10th, 2007

The way the Howard Government has handled the Little Children Are Sacred is not just an embarrassing joke. It truly is a sorry business for the Indigenous people of the NT.

There are huge (justified) concerns about this legislation (for example, the fact that the legislation almost completely ignores the recommendations of the report), so the government needs to allocate more than seven and a half hours to debate it! Yes, it is an emergency, but why has it taken a decade for Howard to hear about it?

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Aine Aine
August 10th, 2007

It would be blatantly unjust, racist and discriminatory
of the Australian government to pass laws that restrict the rights of Indigenous people to autonomy over their tribal lands, and their extremely hard won rights to cultural space. I demand that the government withdraw their threatening and over-ruling proposals and arrange for negotiation with tribal elders about ANY changes whatsoever to the current situation.

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August 10th, 2007

The kind of problems that are the focus of the Federal Government's intervention in NT communities are not exclusive to Aboriginal People, they are the symptoms of poverty and neglect. They are the result of bad policy summed up by the failure of all Australian governments to provide sufficent and appropriate housing, infrastructure, education and health care. Most of all, though, they are the symptoms of hopelessness. Very few Aboriginal communities have an economic base. There are no real jobs and so there is no future. Children grow up without any prospect of being able to participate in Australian society and so they grow up without any hope but with plenty of frustration and anger. If the intervention in the Northern Territory was anything but an election gimmick, John Howard would be looking for ways to include Aboriginal People in the real economy of Australia, in the real society. He would be finding ways for Aboriginal People to feel valued, instead of finding excuses to take away the one thing that has meaning and importance - their land. The permit system is flawed in many ways but for the moment it needs to be protected because it is all that Aboriginal People have that allows them to mexercise some control over their lives.

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Mary Madigan
August 10th, 2007

I am a mother who is ashamed of our government. We have lost our democracy. Local Council, State government, Federal Government totally ignore what we want. Make a joke out of our submissions to major projects and treat us with contempt.
If you step out of line they do not allow funding or cut funding you already have. I would not have had children if I had known what future we are looking at now. We are to mine more uranium even though we know it is not safe, green, clean and will not address greenhouse gases. We create marshall law in our indigenous communities as an excuse for taking their land to make nuclear dumps for the world. Government says we won't take the world waste but then says we will lease our uranium to the world. That mean we still get the waste but technically it is our waste. What if there is a meltdown in another country with OUR URANIUM or OUR uranium is used for nuclear weapons are we responsible? Are we still called the clever country? This makes me ashamed to be Australian.......

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Lesley Versay
August 10th, 2007

Could our government do anything more inappropriate & appalling than to storm into aboriginal communities with the army & police when the issue is child abuse. How after 10 years of ignoring the living standards,health & education of indigenous people can there suddenly be an 'emergency' which does not allow true parlimentary discussion. I thought we as a nation were trying to make ammends for our past dealings with the indigenous people, not continue the shame.

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Jean Stokes
August 10th, 2007

One woman on ABC 774 said yesterday that we would resent the government sending troops and police into our homes to check out our children, without our agreement. I agree with her and I agree that while it is perhaps necessary to check on aboriginal children's health, it should be done with negotiated agreements. In no way should there be any effect or alteration to legislated Native Title nor should the permit system be changed. It has been a protection to Sacred Sites and to communities who do not wish to have alcohol abuse in their homes.
What kind of people we are is demonstrated by our relationships with others, and our federal government is appearing as a mob of "bully boys" at this time. We, the people of Australia, may appear to the rest of the world as the same kind if we do not make our voices heard at this time.

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Brenda Pasamonte
August 10th, 2007

Sexual abuse occurs in every race in the world.

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Paul Stanlley
August 10th, 2007

All recent Federal Government actions make it absolutely imperative that we oust them in the forthcoming Election to prevent further damage which will happen if they remain in power. A L P members on the East Coast will support all action to remove the Coalition Power.

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Tania McLeod
August 10th, 2007

Our country is a signatory of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Actions to date by our elected Government has shown disdain for this most important document adopted in 1948. It represents the common standards of all peoples and nations. Article 17 'Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property'.

There are other Articles our Government has shown contempt.

You can get a copy of the UDHR at http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/lang/eng.htm

Indigenous peoples have the right to look for justice and compassion at an international level through the 'Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights and fundamental freedoms of indigenous peoples'.

Our Government still has not shown a proven link between child abuse and the land grab.

Also the silence is deafening from the Northern Land Council.

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August 10th, 2007

Megalamania, the dictionary states: is the enjoyment of having power over other people and the craving for more of it. Gosh!I wonder who this reminds us of?
An addict will lie, cheat and manipulate to get what they want: who does that remind us of?
Bigotry and racism have featured strongly in Mr Howard's past election campaigns but I don't think we will fall for that one again.There is a strong similarity to the 'babies overboard campaign' compared to the 'aboriginal children suffering abuse' campaign.
Has anyone looked at the horrific lives and suffering the children of white drug addicts and alcoholics endure? Why aren't the police and army dealing with this epedemic?. Mr Howard, you won't say sorry and now you are going to make our aboriginals really sorry.

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Noel McKernan
August 10th, 2007

The Federal Govt should consult with the Aboriginal communities in relation to the recent initiatives; before carrying out all the proposed changes. But, we the voters, should hold whichever Govt is in power to the promises made, and especially to the money promised over the next 5 years. I believe the Aboriginal people will this time force the Govt to see the problem on their terms, and provide assistance over the long term, and in meaningful ways so that they take responsibility for their own communities. I think the general populace have finally seen through Howard's electioneering practices; and won't buy it; but will demand action on the situation regarding Aboriginal disadvantage.

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Herbert Mack
August 10th, 2007

As an Aboriginal, I am absolutely stunned by the discriminatory nature and attitude of our elected government and its racist leader. The less said of the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs, the better.
As an Australian, I am disgusted and ashamed of recent events initiated by the government under the guise of rescuing Aboriginal kids from sexual abuse. Yes, the kids need defending but the parents and communities should have been consulted and worked with. The perpertrators should be removed from communities and punished, not the kids and their parents.
Why has the government chosen this moment to move the Army and Police in? Are they getting intense pressure from big, multi-national mining companies and big business. Have those companies found large deposits of valuable ore on Aboriginal land and is that the reason howard has done this land grab?
Say SORRY, mr howard and get off the Aboriginal lands, move in medical staff, builders for houses, schools, hospital/medical centres, teachers, volunteers to impart knowledge, those types of people that are required and have been asked for by the communities. The Army can stay IF they can help building infrastructure and the police should stay, with consultation of the communities (they also have been asked for by communities). Talk to the communities mr howard, ask what they desperately need and give it to them BUT GET OFF THEIR LAND, GIVE THEM BACK THEIR LAND, CHANGE LAWS SO THIS CAN NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.

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Tony Mullen
August 10th, 2007

Treaty Now!

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Karl Tattersall
August 10th, 2007

Not all Aboriginal communities are the same, nor do they have the same needs.

This paternalistic and punative response only serves to perpetuate the myth that Aboriginal people can't look after themselves.

F off John.

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Jane Laidlaw
August 10th, 2007

This is more smoke and mirrors just like Iraq. This shoddy government are treating us like fools, going in to these communities under the guise of doing 'good' but really they are land grabbing and resorting to imperialist type tactics. If they want to investigate claims of child abuse and put in preventative measures then do so using systems already in place. And stop whiewashing the real truths. Like who is really perpetrating these horrific acts of abuse? Put in more infrastructure and LISTEN to the elders who know what they are talking about. AND GET JOHNNY OUT>>>

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D.Eriksen
August 10th, 2007

Gina
You're so right. It sends shivers down my spine. Democracy is going out the window for us whites too. Just keep making a big noise. You have a lot of support from thinking whites Stay strong
Di

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Gaye Bowd
August 11th, 2007

Am utterly ashamed of being a white Australian but feel powerless to prevent such ill-conceived legislation being rushed. Some kind of organised mass protest is probably futile and too late, especially since Rudd (the dud) has lamely endorsed Howard's land-grabbing desparation politics. If only we had GetUp people on the floor, not just the gallery. With you in spirit NT communities and those in Canberra on Monday.

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Cassie Juan
August 11th, 2007

It is policies like this that really make me feel embarrassed to be an Australian citizen. I think that a lot of voters out there do genuinely want the best for Aboriginal communities, but are simply too ignorant of the truths of the new legislation to understand how abhorrent it is, and what is really needed to improve the welfare of indigenous Australians. I am sad also to say that I think a lot of people out there are too racist to understand.

Indigenous Australians are still painted as being a foreign (and in this case, inherently abusive) 'other'. We need an Australia in which Aboriginal people are no longer marginalised, and their communities are treated with respect, compassion and understanding. It makes me angry that this government thinks that both indigenous and white Australians are too stupid to realise what is really going on here.

- Cassie

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Steven Smith
August 11th, 2007

As per usual, a very conservative, right wing, racist, "white-Australia-in-stealth" type of Government is using a situation to further it's and it's cronie's own greedy needs. Any reasonable, responsible group of people would do anything it could to support and rectify a sad state of affairs, in consultation with the people involved.
The trouble with past Governments in dealing with Aboriginal affairs, is this lack of consultation. White laws and white culture won't find a perfect response without taking into account Aboriginal law and culture. Any meeting of cultures needs certain compromises. This Government reminds me of those English speaking people who think that, if they talk slowly and very loudly at people who don't understand English, then that person will immediately comprehend! THIS GOVERNMENT HAS DELETED THE AUSTRALIAN CONCEPT OF A "FAIR GO" FROM OUR HISTORY BOOKS! WE, THE PEOPLE, NEED TO BRING IT BACK.

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olaf geerken
August 11th, 2007

Permits are not a recent invention. Permits reflect, in a way us whitefellas can understand, Aboriginal Law and cultural etiquette about announcing one's intentions and seeking permission before entering someone else's land. If everyone had an understanding of those Aboriginal rules and obided by them there would be no need for permits.
Permits could also be compared to contracts. As long as everything is fine no one ever has to look at a contract again. Contracts are only valuable when there is a problem. Similarly with permits, as long as a person doesn't do anything 'wrong' there generally is no issue, whether that person has a permit or not. Once there is a problem, though, a community can deal with a 'problem' person either by revoking a permit if there was one, or by expelling an unwanted person from a community because s/he has no permit.
Brough's argument that permits assisted in 'hiding' the real extend or the problems in Aboriginal communities is total bull because government has the power to issue its own permits for its own government agents to enter Aboriginal Land. The permit system never prevented any government official from entering Aboriginal commuities, nor do communities have the power to revoke a government issued permit.
The other bull argument peddled by Brough and co is the need for 5 year leases over the communities to 'cut through the red tape' in order to get things done quickly. Tell me, which community would put up 'red tape' at the proposition to build more houses to ease overcrowding? Which community would put up red tape at the proposition to station a police officer in the community? (Some communities I know have been calling for a police officer for years, without success.)
No, from a community's perspective, the 'red tape' has always been on the government/ funding body's side.
There is no logically expressed link between the crack down on child neglect and welfare reform (most people agree with the need to do something) and the stated need for 5 year compulsory acquisition of communities and the limitation of the permit system.
The problem with the 'emercency response' is not the (mostly welcome) attention by government to long identified problems , but the paternalistic way this government is going about implementing changes. Aboriginal poeple don't need to be TOLD, they need to be TALKED WITH. If people and communities are not involved in the decision making the intervention is likely to do more harm than good.

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sue hallett
August 11th, 2007

I was just thinkimg about what stand you guys were taking on the Howard stance on aboriginal lands when I read about your meeting with the peole in Canberra on that very subject. FANTASTIC! Something is happening, people are talking. It would be a very sad day if the Koori nation loses out on this.
Obviously something needs to be done to protect the children, but hey, lets not turn this into an autocracy.Please continue advertising your campagne.

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sue hallett
August 11th, 2007

And another thing, I am very concerned that the Howard government wants the Koori nation's land for it's own agenda, USA military sites? Storage of spent uranium? Hide the fact that US weapons have spent uranium content, move the people so there's less obvious harm caused? Very worrying.

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s
August 11th, 2007

Self-determination isn't just about white politicians letting Indigenous people have access to their countries - it is about realizing that Australia is a post-conflict environment. We have a heritage of genocide, occupation, racial discrimination & slave labour. Having white Australia make policies for Aboriginal Australians is akin to having the Indonesians develop policy for East-Timor.

Resolving community issues in remote areas with little political capital and a unique range of social issues & cultural identity cannot be done from thousands of kilometres away in our urban capitals. Engaging with Aboriginal people in communities where problems occur to find their own, sustainable solutions shouldn't be seen as placating the locals, but a means of adding to a communal knowledge bank of how to build strong, healthy societies. Better dialogue between cultures, perspectives and peoples will allow us to learn from each other and understand that Australia is not about creating a 'one-size-fits-all' nation state, but finding strength in diversity.

As a white Australian I struggle with the legacy of how European culture came to dominate this continent of many different countries. It is heartening to see so many people - from a diverse range of cultural and political backgrounds speaking up about this issue.

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August 11th, 2007

I think an issue has been missed in regards to John Howard. This is probably because we have been beaten into submission by his avoidance strategies. The issue remains however and an arguement can be made that he has not been working in the interests of Australia. He dismissed a massive protest against going to war in Iraq and has demeaned our standing in the world. This to change his little man profile to a warrior of the world. He and Ruddock are talked about on the night air waves in Europe with total disgust. Let's push for a full enquiry

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Doug steley
August 11th, 2007

The current government has had almost 12 years to plan and implement a rescue package for Aboriginal children. It is an immensely complex and difficult problem requiring diplomacy and cultural sensitivity.

We are dealing whit the most venerable children in our society I think they deserve more than a few days debate over their futures.

If it was their children's future they were planning they would want more care taken than a few quick days debate?

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Fiona Han
August 11th, 2007

It's all well and good for the Government to want to help indigenous kids and save them from the abusive hands of some adults in some communities, but I do remember hearing at one point that it wasn't only parents and relatives committing these shameful acts of abuse. What happened to the "White Fellas" from the mining companies that were caught doing the same thing? Seems they were just packed up and sent off to another job somewhere else in the country with out being reprimanded, charged, or identified.
Sounds like Catholic Church deja'vu to me.

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margaret beavis
August 11th, 2007

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YOU CAN STOP THIS ATROCITY! The Permit system is essential to protect people's lives against any Tom, Dick or Harry who wants to invade people's privacy. And they would!!! Tourists, even without malice, would feel they had a right to go anywhere at all. Drugrunners and Pedophiles would see it as an opportunity to take advantage of. Peoples' privacy in their own place is a Human Right. Keep Australia human!

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Liz Orr
August 11th, 2007

Thank-you get-up for giving voice to real people who know how this appalling legislation will impact on communities in our heartland. I say heartland meaningfully- I lived and worked in Central Australia for 5 years and felt the power and healing of that land and learnt how much I do not know - but an inkling of what needs to be learnt- from the oldest living and practising culture on this earth. I work for a national organsation that has been active for over 20 years to raise the issues of child abuse and neglect and family well being in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities. I see nothing in this legislation about keeping children safe, I see nothing in this legislation about healing for children and families. I feel overwhelmed with grief that a government says it sees the problems, that it is taking action BUT there is nothing about working with the people for whom this is a reality, there is no long term strategy about changing the causes or contibuting factors. Instead there is a racist slur on Aboriginal culture and aspirations for all that matters. We need ACTIONS of resistance...perhaps some form of symbolic action by footballers- AFL and Rugby could bring this home to the average Australian who is now being drip feed that Interest rates are the important issue...how sad that economics kicks real life issues out of the pages of our newspapers and off our screens...lets all continue to get up- change the channel, write to the newspaper- keep talking and register our resistance to racism....it is the Fortieth annniversary of the 1967 referendum - 90% of Australians voted yes to citizenship for Aboriginal people- time to stand up Australia and say NO to this Racist legislation.

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Jeff McIntyre
August 11th, 2007

Unless their is proper consultation and agreement reached with those affected by the decision, there will not be comittment to it and it will be seen as yet another political stunt by the Howard gaovernment.

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Denise Testa
August 11th, 2007

I think the whole thing stinks. I have done some research on this matter and it is my belief that one of the reasons for the land grab is because some twit of a senator thinks that they can turn the drought/climate change issue around by moving Australia's agricultural production further north. Territorians know this is a crazy idea.

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Marilyn Shepherd
August 11th, 2007

I worked for Senator Coulter of the Democrats when ATSIC was born, I marched with the indigenous people in 1988 for peace, justice and hope and that has all been swept away by this innately reactionary and racist government.

Poor fella our country, poor fellas our brothers and sisters.

God help them if she exists because Howard never will.

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Davan
August 11th, 2007

A very wise man in ATSIC once told me "if there was a simple solution, don't you think someone would have already thought of it?"

ATSIC was disbanded, in part, under the illution that a whole of government approach would better serve indigenous people. If it was a success, dont you think we would have heard about it?

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Pamela Harper
August 11th, 2007

I think this is nothing but a blatant land grab by the Federal government. The permit system protects the rights of indigenous people. I can see no reason to remove this system unless there is some devious purpose involved. While it might be a reasonable argument that education and housing are more important to the people of today, ownership of land is important for generations to come. Indigenous people have the right to a fair deal today and land rights for their future.

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Khrystene Dalecki
August 11th, 2007

I applaud these people for their tireless efforts in trying to make the blind [the government, amongst others] see.

It's a crime that we're in such a state of affairs. People trying to do good work in their community, trying to support their people, should be assisted, not pushed aside for archaic 'White Australia' style politics.

I hope that many more Australians will join in this campaign, whatever their ethnicity.

Best of luck.

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amanda williams
August 11th, 2007

If sanity ever returns to Australia future generations will view this racist policy as a massive backwards . SHAME ON US
I co-ordinated skill share and my husband was a teacher in the Tanami desert . We were there from 1991 for 5 years .
My son Grew up with community kids , he was safe to go any where , he and the other kids were really happy .
Ok abuse happens , but rather less so than in the yarra Valley of Victoria , another place we know well. No one has sent the troops to Yarra Glen yet . Most of the abuse related to what Kardiya ( white fellas ) have inflicted . We came back to Victoria because there was no proper secondary education . The one choice was to send your child to a church run boarding school in Alice Springs or further afield . We observed that most of the kids (white or black) could not cope with this . They had grown up in a caring community with out pecking orders or bullying . "Normal " Australian culture was a bit of a shock .
At Willowra when I arrived secondary age kids had nothing . No education and no social programs . The elders gave me permission to run a craft course for teen age girls and eventually we were allowed funding for a real teacher !. (Only for girls though, boys had to do with out .) This happenned as the girls came every day to school because they wanted to . Infact every where my husband taught kids loved school if they were given a suitable and sensitive teacher .
At one bush school we had no electricity or pencils .
The education department tried but even they believed a teacher must be mad to live and work in remote communities , mercenaries , misfits or missionaries was how they classed us !
The real abuse was that we lived in third world conditions . In some communities the tap water was literaly toxic . This is not a guess , we had it tested .!!
Strange thing , some of us who worked in the tanami have uranium in our hair analysis . A grab for community land seems step on to get the uranium. Well , last time it was gold .
I want my Walpiri friends to know that in our terms they cared for their kids really well . When there was a substance abuse problem the whole community tackled it . There would not be such an epedemic problem of drug taking and alcohol abuse amongst our white kids if the whole of our community put in the same effort and commitment as Yeundumu parents . The shame is all ours I am so sorry .

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Catherine Cant
August 11th, 2007

You are imposing your solution on a diverse group of people without any consultation. You allow groups of people to enter Aboriginal land without their consent. You give them real concern that their land will be taken from them - I doubt your motives too. You publicly name and blame the Aboriginal people of child molestation and violence. Are you too blind to see that the problems are white-man made (alcoholism, drug adiction, no education, no jobs and no housing)? Until and unless drug and alcohol education and rehabilitation is freely available and administered by black fellas for black fellas there will be no improvement in Aboriginal communities. There have been some good programs run in Western Australia and Queensland but you have not drawn from their experience. Noel Pearson is an impressive speaker and held in high regard - in Cape York! His ideas may well fail elsewhere as his influence does not reach beyond his own people. You wasted more than 10 years starting programs then withdrawing funding (just when the programs showed good results). You expect a favourable outcome. Listen to the Aboriginal people - they want a say in their future. My heart bleeds to see the strong individuals/good people from the black communities left without a part to play in shaping their own future.

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Anne Miller
August 11th, 2007

Again we're treating Aboriginal people as a collective problem rather than treating individuals with a problem. Individual Australians who need help - medical, financial, legal, family support - have a right to get it whether they live in Wadeye, Redfern or Toorak. We have no right to wipe out hard won Land Rights in a media-frenzy of concern whipped up just for an election. There are different problems in different communities ... not one Canberra imposed answer for a nameless big black mob. Sending in the troops shames me as a white Australian. This exercise means just one more thing we are going to have to say sorry for!!

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Joan Lynn
August 11th, 2007

My heart is heavy at what is happening.
Of course I want the abuse to STOP.
However I am afraid that what is happening is the potential further abuse because this BILL is being rammed through without the full examination and consultation needed for the changes to be one's we can be proud of because they will be effective and long lasting.
Even Noel Pearson in today's Australian said he hoped the Government would be open to compromising - I don't see any sign of this happening.
Ignoring this known probelme for years, ignoring the recommendations from the very report that justified these actions, particularly ignoring the very people who have the skill and expertise to set the agenda for real and effective changes, and rushing this all through NOW - how can I not be suspicious of the goevernment's motives and timing?

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Josephine Joore
August 11th, 2007

Australia does not have a Senate anymore,it is now a kangaroo court set up by John Howard ,who is too cowardly to show his face to the original owners of this land whom he is treating like slaves.
I am utterly disgusted and saddened that Australia has sunk this low through the aggressive greed of this man who dares to call himself a caring person.
Where is your HUMANITY Mr. John???

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Gayle Adams
August 11th, 2007

What possible justification can there be for exempting this legislation from the Racial Discrimination Act?? Surely indigenous people are entitled to enjoy the same rights as non-indigenous people. Why is it that the Commonwealth Government cannot devise and implement a plan to deal with child abuse in indigenous communities without removing their fundamental rights? Why does the Government need to take away title to or tenure of land to deal with child abuse in indigenous communities? What possible justification can there be for this action?

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Benny Zable
August 11th, 2007

One of the most disturbing thing about this legislation is not only its paternalistic approach to Indigenous affairs, but the sending of police and military into aboriginal communities that have a history of being abused by these people.
There might be some decent people in their ranks but generally they are a racist bunch of trained thugs.
First of all we need to listen to and rspect the elders in these communities.
If police and military are sent in, they need to be monitored by non government organizations.

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Andre Duszynski
August 11th, 2007

If the matter of intervention is of such importance, why not make the Federal portfolio a singular one - that of Minister of Indigenous Affairs and one which deserves the brevity of its title.

I am ashamed that Australia as a whole is eerily quiet when a people of great strength, culture and wisdom is being sold out.

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Jim Jackson
August 11th, 2007

I hear plenty of whingeing from the Aboriginal representatives ... but no acknowledgement that there are any problems and no positive proposals .... there ARE problems and there is a range of solutions - however whingeing won't solve the problem, nor will endless consultation without action.

Its an Aboroginal problem ... what are these 'representatives' proposing as a solution ?

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Krystyna Schweizer
August 11th, 2007

My outrage over the Invasion and Defamation of Indigenous Communities has prompted me to create a photo collage and a Logo to express my feelings of disgust over human rights abuse in Australia.

The logo depicts colours of red,black and yellow with a
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-INVASION "STUMBLING DOWN THE YELLOW CAKE ROAD".

I have been told my images are extremely powerful and speak louder than words. If you email an attachment friendly address I will forward them to you to share with your friends or use them for a campaign.

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melanie gates-manar
August 11th, 2007

Having just been confronted with the sickening reality of child predators in my own community (Lismore NSW) I respect the fact that the government is FINALLY taking action to protect children. But when are the defense forces coming to my town? There are so many 'white' kids abused all over Australia - why the extreme reaction in central Australia only? Fix our shattered mental health system and we could save millions of children from the trauma of abuse on all levels! White man has done enough already to dis empower native Australians - at least learn from the mistakes of past 'leaders' and work with them this time!!

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Linda Stewart
August 11th, 2007

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The Howard government should be condemned for its proposed legislation. A one-day Senate hearing, no consultation with indigenous people, no time for debate - it's typical of the Coalition government. Racist, arrogant, uncaring, dishonest... disgusting.

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peter vickery
August 11th, 2007

I cant find words to describe how this makes me feel howard and his cronies make me feel sick and rudds supporting it.What hope have any of us got.I'm ashamed to be a white australian!!!!!!!

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Chris Shelling
August 11th, 2007

Letter to the Senate:

Yet again the Howard government is making long-term policy decisions on the run, based on short-term electoral gain (or failure, these days).

As Senators, you have a responsibility to ensure there is sound public policy behind the legislation you are considering. This is particularly so where it concerns disadvantaged Australians who have a limited voice in public discourse.

This is not just flawed legislation, it is fundamentally evil in that the "solution" deliberately excludes those people who have so much to lose when it all, inevitably, fails.

Do what the Senate is supposed to do - provide essential checks and balances against the perversity of a government that so recklessly and stupidly thinks it can solve complex social, medical, and other problems by sending in the troops.

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Stephen Thomas
August 11th, 2007

If John Howard were serious about wanting to address (at last) the genuinely disturbing issues highlighted (yet again) by Little Children Are Sacred, he would have started by implementing some of that report's recommendations.

Instead, he chose to play Action Man and send in the Army with maximum publicity, proving beyond any reasonable doubt that this is yet another shameless pre-election stunt - one that plumbs new moral depths, even for Howard.

To hear our Dear Leader crying crocodile tears for the very kids whose families and communities he proposes to tear apart for his own political benefit sickens me to my stomach, and I sincerely hope that there is enough integrity left in the Senate, or at least enough common sense in the Australian body politic come election time, to tell John and Mal exactly where they can stick their hairy chested land grab.

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gavin carpenter
August 11th, 2007

45 years in the NT and no intention of leaving except in a pine box. Advancing backwards has been the scene for that time, brought on by people who thought they were doing the right thing at the time.
"someone" had to do something. "someone" is now making things happen and only time will tell if it is right or wrong.
Unfortunately manipulation and mistruths are alive and well from all sides of politics. The hand wringing, champagne social set who have no idea also have to have a say.
People from all walks of life who seem to know it all but have never experienced the facts are getting too much airplay. Self interests are coming to the fore and making huge noises in a big way. The media love it, the truth never makes a good story.
The problems will eventually be solved but I do not believe I will be around to see it.
Rights also require responsibilities, (not self interests) something that is and has been sadly lacking.
I can only feel sorry for the wonderful older people who are not now with us, many of whom were made to work, others were stolen generation with a work ethic and purpose in life, who saw the downfall of their race in booze and easy money.
Gina, Harry, Walter, Valda, Lindsay, Gilbert and others, are your kids and your kids kids going to school daily?? Without an education you can expect little in life as you would all know.
Would you perhaps be better off staying home and ensuring your kids are doing the right thing rather than having a junket to Canberra.

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Satya Smith
August 11th, 2007

I spent my childhood with Aboriginal Australians.
Many came and went from a permitted area.
I say to the elders create and enforce your own permit system if the government abolishes the existing one. This is your country, look after country, be public about your own permit system, use the media to advertise it, create your own boundries and maintain and defend them.

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robyn ryan
August 11th, 2007

I cannot believe that a Govt in this day and age can be so paternalistic and ignorant. I am ashamed that such a measure can be taken to overlook the rights of the aboriginal peoples. I see this as a desperate measure by Howard, the racist, to appeal to the most base elements of our society in a grab for power and votes. It is another Tampa. Shame, Howard, shame.

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maggie attard.com.au
August 11th, 2007

I am so pleased to have had this opporunity to lobby the Senators to seek a truly collaborative approach to any action undertaken in the name of achieving improvements for our Indigenous peoples.Many of us want true equality for all our marginalised citazens.We will try to assist where we can & know that real 'Reconciliation' will only be achieved if we keep it on the agenda.Good luck to all people of goodwill.

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Jan Muller
August 11th, 2007

The first principle for achieving positive outcomes in relation to Aboriginal communities, involves sitting down with the people and community leaders and engaging in consultation in a protracted and thorugh manner. This does not mean flying in & talking to a few people, grabbing a selection of supportive statements & flying out armed with a mandate. Aboriginal people tend to express agreement even when they are strongly opposed to an idea. It is considered disrespectful to express disagreement. Proper consultation involves gaining the trust of the people. This is essentieal for the success of any venture.

It has become quite clear that many Indigenous people in the communities affected and in the wider Indigenous community are very dissatisfied with several aspects of the Governments approach & proposed legislation. In particular, the permit system is seen as a valuable element that protects the rights of indigenous people & should not be taken away. Indigenous people have the right to a fair deal today. Please oppose the proposed legislation and urge proper consultation to achieve a sustainable outcome.

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W. Nedeff
August 11th, 2007

Well it may be that there needs to be some recognition that there is some element of abuse of children in the Northern Territory, as is the case Australia wide.
The politicians should get their heads out of the sand, stand back and have a very good look at the real situation.
It is the work of the greedy white man that takes alcohol into these places as well as drugs and pushes them onto the unfortunate indiginous people of this country.
I do believe that by the Federal Government reclaiming the indiginous peoples land back they are entering through the back door to open the way to have the land explored for uranium, and therefore probably exploit the area in hope that "Hallyburton" can profit by transporting the uranium as they have been promised already by the Federal Govt.to be able to rail uranium through Central Australia unhindered.
There needs to be full and meaningful discussion and debate before this racist act goes any further.

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ASTRID O'NEILL
August 12th, 2007

I walked across the Sydney Harbour Bridge with what seemed like half of Sydney. I carried a large "SORRY" sign. I was unaware of what was happening with the Stolen Generations. However now a man who couldn't find it in his heart to say "Sorry" at the time of the Reconciliation walks, is creating future shame for my grandchildren. John, this is NOT an issue for political expediency in an election year. Don't pretend that there haven't been previous reports, that your government was unaware of what was happening. Consult! With this legislation you are stealing the land once again. With this legislation, future generations will say that you have shamed us again.

Labor has also voted for this legislation, and fully shares the blame. Kevin, you could have insisted that this legislation be fully debated and considered by committees. You could have insisted on community consultation. In fact, you could have shown leadership, morals, courage and a belief in social justice. You could have lead and informed public opinion. You, and the Labor Party and its MPs have been tarnished by this vote in the House of Representatives. You will carry this stigma into the future.

Please, please, Senators, act as a genuine House of Review. Consult! Don't remove the permit system without listening to the communities. Consult! Don't impose financial measures without hearing what the impact may be. Set up an investigative committee and spend time really looking at the legislation and seeking community input. Revisit the report and look at its recommendations. Do they include stealing Country again? Child abuse and domestic violence have been going on for a long time in Indigenous communities (and in white communities too), but ill considered, knee jerk reactions which further disempower, belittle and traumatise are not the way to make positive changes.

Any Senator who votes for this legislation as it stand, shames us all.

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Angela Helleren
August 12th, 2007

There are many forms of abuse, non should be tolerated. Some eventually gain political attention, while others are by Acts of Parliament.

A Democratic government is suppose to act according to the will of the people. The time restraints placed on reviewing this Bill, denagrades the Democratic process.

How many of our MP's in the House of Representatives actually managed to read the 500 page legislation being presented for their consideration and vote?

On winning the majority in both Houses at the last election, PM Howard assured the public the Senate would still be the House of review and the Government would not abuse it's power.
The Government's employers, (the Australian Public)are rightly sceptical as so many issues have been dependant upon what the PM perceives as core or non-core committments.

As a white Australian I have never been asked/told that my property rights be removed in order to access Government Services or assistance provided by the Australian people for the well being of all our citizens.

The Government has not made a case for removing the permit system or the need for imposing 5 year leases on Indigenous Land. Both of these areas in the Bill should be rejected by the Senate.
More time to carefully work through all other aspects of the Bill with respect for the recommendations by members of the Aboriginal townships.

Many of the recommendations in the Little Children are Sacred Report, were put forward after consultation with the Indigenous Community but have been totally ignored.

How many of our MP's actually read the full report before jumping on the band wagon?

Should this intervention legislation be passed through the Senate without major amendments, it will be remembered as the '2007-Abusive ACT of Parliament', another Sorry affair.





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jon march
August 12th, 2007

when us white men leave the aboriginal people
alone as we do not have the right to make laws
for them

and leave us white people to

run a round the country telling aboriginal people
how bad they are to their children..

just so some prime minister will not have to say
sorry....



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John Thommo
August 12th, 2007

We want considered debate on this.

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Sheryl Wiffen
August 12th, 2007

My experience as a health and welfare worker over the past 20 years has created awareness of the disfunctional "issues" affecting our communities and I believe they are NOT culturally specific. Abuse of women and children and marginalised families happens everywhere (unfortunately). The Howard Govt. has consistently reduced and erradicated funding from community services and non-govt. organisations that provide support, referral and crisis intervention. The further from the big cities the less service provision is available. The issues such as domestic violence, child abuse (in any form including sexual abuse), substance misuse, unemployment, homelessness etc.are complex and require specialist services properly funded and opportunities for consultation respectfully negotiated. All the research and successful programs indicate resolution does not work using force. I am equally concerned that the media has reported a "higher incidence" of child abuse in the NT and worry what sort of "Right Wing Religions Missions" we will set up this time in order to "save" the children? Please STOP and consult with health and wlefare professionals and the communities that are being affected and scared by these heavy handed tactics.

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Nathan Croft
August 12th, 2007

1967 - 40 years since we took the FIRST step to recompense the injustices of the past and how far have we come?

The Howard Government finds little time to promote fundamental human rights for most marginalised groups in Australian society. Why the focus on indigenous groups? And why now?

What is the real agenda?

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Prue Ramage
August 12th, 2007

I do not pretend to understand all the implications in the government's plan and why this has suddenly become so important to them if the alleged abuse has been endemic for many years. According to one of the indiginous authors who brought the problems to the government's attention, none of the recommendations made have been adopted. What does bother me about the sudden influx of troops, doctors and the police is when do they decide to leave? How do they intend to implement plans for so called 'self policing' by the aboriginal communities? I suspect the abuse may well be the result of years of paternalistic interference which has destroyed much of the cultural values of the aborigines. How and when will they know the 'problems' have been 'solved' and most importantly what is their exit strategy? Do they have a 'cure'? Or haven't they thought beyond the next election? This has the potential to be utterly destructive and a reversal to the old days of the Office of Protector of the Aborigines or whatever the title was. It frightens me to death.God help us all.

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Trish Henderson
August 12th, 2007

We no longer live in a democracy. Howard has turned into a little dictator and we are all the lesser because of him and his government. Where has he been for the last 10 years or so? Kissing Bush's arse most of the time. The US probably wants the land for military sites or to bury depleted uranium and little Johnny can't wait to give it to him. Words can't describe how disgusted I am with him and his government. We are all diminished by this blatant land grab and heavy handed behaviour. Shame, shame, shame.

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Ava and Bill Hubble
August 12th, 2007

We have emailed asking the Senate to please not exacerbate matters and provoke more bitter distrust by rushing things through. We are thinking of you all and will do what we can to lobby for you. Best possible wishes,Bill and Ava Hubble, Sydney

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Kate Forrest
August 12th, 2007

Jackboots Johnny has done it again.Handpicked, selective consultation with UNrepresentative Indigenous people has taken this country back decades in the respect and self determination stakes.This IS wedge politics at its worst and Indigenous peoples rights MUST NOT be allowed to be eroded further by allowing this ill-considered, pervading legislation to be passed. IT IS PLAIN WRONG!! Indigenous people need a voice - currently they have none - let the Senate right at least this wrong of the current Government.Let the Senate on this occasion be the voice of the Indigenous people of Australia. This issue is being used to further the cause of racism and paternalistic, all-too-familiar arrogance.

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Juno Gemes
August 12th, 2007

It's Time to have an Aboriginal Peoples Party! Why do we have to educate one government after another? We need workable solutions and consultation. Not just the strong arm tactics of right wing Cape Yorkers who tell this government what they want to hear. Since when could one Indigenous person speak for the whole nation? Noel Person is just one man with a loud megaphone and column inches in The Australian. Does he listen to hius Elders ?How can he support the suspenension of the Racial Discrimination Act. He might be bright and smart but he may also be a danger to his own people.

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Sue Roffey
August 12th, 2007

I wonder if politicians ever read any research on the issues they take action on? If they did they might take decisions based on knowledge of what does and doesn't work rather than on prejudice and ignorance. The way to develop safe, child friendly communities is to build community - not break it down. This means working to strengthen the beliefs, self-respect, support and relational values that underpin healthy relationships. Howard has just undermined most of the above.

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Jim Lee
August 12th, 2007

The Howard Government should be condemned for trying to introduce this type of legislation without a full open debate or even put it to a referendum of the population of Australia.

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Christine Vickers
August 12th, 2007

Here it is. The order is being undermined, the world is being turned upside down..

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Lorraine Alford
August 12th, 2007

I do not believe the Government has the right to take the land control back for five years I do not trust Mr. Howard and Mr. Brough on this land control issue.I believe fervently that this should be left out of the bill to be passed by the senate.
to help with domestic violence, children sexual abuse is essential and this sort of help should have been given years ago. but why does the land have to been in this help. will they give the ownership back? will they take white Australians land back for the help they are given? I am a 66 year old Migalu (white Australian woman)

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HalinaNowicka
August 12th, 2007

In this anniversary year of the 1967 Referendum when the majority of Australians ipso facto acknowledged the original ownership of this country, I do not want to see the few rights of these original owners further diminished. There is no way child abuse is ever acceptable in any community but by taking away the very few rights to self government of the Aboriginal communities the Australian Parliament will only succeed in making those communities feel less able to cope with any problems that arise.
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kim guthrie
August 12th, 2007

Wasn't John Howard just grandstanding about what a travesty of justice the Queensland Premier's lack of consultation with the people of Queensland re: local government amalgamations is?

So, obviously this man of great virtue and morality will do the right thing here, lead by example and give the indigenous community their say on THIS issue?

Mr. Kim Guthrie

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Michelle Warren
August 12th, 2007

One can't help but be suspicious of a Government that acts so irratically and so dramatically to a problem that has been known of and ignored for so long. Of course no one wants to see children abused, but this naive and superficial approach of 'sending in the troops' without consultation with leaders of indigenous communities, should not be accepted by the Australian people. It's so easy to get instant publicity, through a campaign of fear and ignorance. We know that huge changes need to be made, but let's do them with intelligence and structure with long term goals in mind and not 'paper over the cracks' to sell a very flawed piece of legislation. There is so much at stake here, it nees to be done properly.

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ian mills
August 12th, 2007

Do what aboriginal people want

not what howard wants

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August 12th, 2007

Aah tout ca ne cesse donc jamais ?! Je pense pas car si les vainqueurs sont toujours les vainqueurs et les perdant restent quand à eux aussi abonné au même rang de looser alors rien ne changera jamais et tout ne faira qu'empirer , j'ai l'impression que la catastrophe s'étend de plus en plus , les aborigènes ne sont pas seul et moi non plus , alors à quand le droit chemin ???

FRANCE le 11 Août 2007

Aah any that thus ceases never?! I dosen't think bus if the winners are always the winners and the loser remain when with them also subscribed with the same row of looser then nothing never changes and all will only to worsen, I have the impression that the catastrophe extends more and more, the aboriginals are not alone and me either, then with when the right way???

FRENCH country in South West to 11 Août 2007

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P Klavins
August 12th, 2007

As an elder of the indigenous nation that you constantly bag out but often take their lead, use their programs (Tough Love)I can see you still have not learnt that all humans have an equal right to life, democracy, their own belief system. Criticising theirs and unable to clean up your own act or serve who you call your own people fairly to me is the height of hypocracy. Their elders can guide YOU how to resolve these issues IF you allow them to work WITH YOU. NO ONE can DICTATE the law of Spirit to anyone.

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b tenney
August 12th, 2007

once again the government of australians is making decisions by appealing to the inherent racism and fear that subliminally pervades our society to gain our approval.If this government were truly sincere in wanting to stamp out child abuse in this country then martial law would need to be established nationally to protect all children of all ethnicities from the predators that defile them.

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Jim STEVENS
August 12th, 2007

We know that there is a problem with alcohol and drugs in Aboriginal Communities.
But these goods didn't originate within the communities and we have heard of no attemnpts to stop their entry.
All we get is a breaking down of the barriers ro give the trafficers and open go - how stupid is this?
The Aboriginal Communities need the protection from the outside community which inflictes these problems on them - not free access for the offenders.

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margaret rock
August 12th, 2007

Your comment We whites have done enough to the aborigines with consultation:it can't work. If you're genuine, take note of the recommendations of the actual report, and heal the wounds with the sufferers, instead of imposing more on them. Don't take their land; don't open the townships to predators.

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Col Cafferky
August 12th, 2007

It is hard to believe we have a government that continues to ignore what is blatently obvious - ie that they need to CONSULT with our indigenous people to find out how we can best support them. This is so important to help the major issues that are currently being exposed but apparently have been going on for a long time.

Good luck to Get UP in their fight for the right things!!

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joyce woodland
August 12th, 2007

well done get up

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David Tyler
August 12th, 2007

I would like to join forces with those concerned about Aboriginal people fighting for their future existence.Last night I listened to a wonderful radio program.Aboriginal people spoke of their concern regarding government tactics and 'consultation" in the process of aquisition of land for the dumping and disposal of uranium.They had serious concerns. I listened to the radio, because there was nothing on television. Only endless drivel of American cast-offs and repeat series of a culture that is not even ours.I really do think this mind-numbing media saturation is a huge contribution to the problem.I have learnt so much,when Aboriginal people are given the opportunity to truly have a voice.
Like them,I acknowlege that there is a problem which needs addressing urgently (as it has for the past ten to twelve years when nobody listened), but I am very concerned at this Governments tactics in addressing it..

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Mary Madigan
August 12th, 2007

Using children being abused to steal their land is obsene.

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Dean and Annette Turner
August 12th, 2007

The proposed new laws affecting indigenous people for so called reasons of child protection do not seem to be thoughtful enough to properly help indigenous children and their communities. A one-day Senate hearing, no consultation with indigenous people, no time for debate yet there are many 'white' kids abused all over Australia - why the extreme reaction in central Australia only? The change to the permit system seems to be a grab for unfettered access to future uranium mine sites and nuclear waste disposal sites.

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Juell E Booth
August 12th, 2007

Australian's do have a voice if they want to use it. The aborignal leaders can find a voice in Parliament but to do so you need to have representation. It's not just aborignal people who don't have a voice through proper representation but anyone on a disadvantaged basis especially when the disadvantage comes about through Government purpose. We have a people's Government who want to choose when an Anti Discriminatory Ruling can apply. If this is allowed the Government will have a precidence to use it against any Australian. This doesn't just involve one Statute Authority but will grant the powers of Government a belief that all Australian's are willing to empower our leaders with a choice system that will open doorways for exit from their political errors and abuses. The private sector will become accountable when the Government aren't. The Government is for the people by the people with caretakers voted into place for the people. It is up to the people to ensure that this stays in place and democracy doesn't just become a word for utterance purposes alone. We should all take pride in the indigenous laws. Child abuse is not restricted to their children and the parents of any abused child would want to see protection implemented immediately. This is about those involved in the situation and does not mean that the whole of the aboriginal people has to be punished. You don't see this happen anywhere else. Land tenure included in the same debate as child abuse is an insult to all those abused children in the whole of Australia. Would any parent no matter what colour or race want their child's abuse debated at the same time as a land tenure. Why would any Government bring all these issue's into one debate when they are of such different agenda. Wouldn't it be fairer on the aborignal leaders to deal with one issue at a time over a period of time so no mistakes are made and we don't once again as a country see a stolen generation develop to which we all as Australian's have played a part. Every Australian has the voice to email their Government representative before the Senate meet. Let our Government representatives notify the Senate and speak on behalf of their voter's. There's nothing wrong with being part of any Get Up Petition but the reason we have elected representatives is for Government action and voice. It takes such a little effort to voice your opposition to what is taking place and you have the knowledge that you did take the time to advise of your opposition about what was to take place. Teach your children that they have a right to voice their opposition and have a say in what takes place in their country now before it's too late. It's not about putting someone into power so they can rule by personal choice. We put a caretaker party for the people into power to rule as expected with the people of our country given equal right's at all times. From what I have read we are about to embark on backward journey for the indigenous aborignal of Australia.

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Ron Tuckwell
August 12th, 2007

Is holding power important enough to destroy what little advance has been made in human rights for the indigenous people of this land? All for the sake of gleaning a few more votes.
Well! I believe that, if this racist and power-hungry legislation is passed, the landslide against Howard's government will be of stupendous proportions.

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Anthony Jayaraj
August 12th, 2007

When a law is enacted or a bill is passed it need to be addressed to the communities and on approval with the beneficial factors need to be considered. Just because the government is holding both the parliaments they can't go ahead and do what they like on the Indigeneous Australians who should be allowed to value their culture, land and other rights than grabbing it like a daylight robbery. Instead, work among the Idigeneous Australians and share their problems and resolve with their consent and make theie life comfortable in every possible means. In the first place, the Indigeneous people have been neglected and the way they live is not what one is living in Australia as compared to the Third World standard of living. STOP the bill before getting the valid response with the community giving approval. As desired in the Mobo Case, try to continue than making the things worse introducing Permit System which the people are totally against it. Have respect of the people in using their ancestral lands and depriving of them legitimate claims.

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Judith Wilson
August 12th, 2007

I agree with the speakers. The paternalistic methods of the government are going to hurt all Australians, I believe this action is the thin edge of the wedge.I consider all Australians to be in danger.
I agree that the indigenous people should have a say in the things that concern them

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Gary Stipanov
August 12th, 2007

The Howard government only recently acknowledged climate change when the community would no longer let them ignore it and they thought there was a dollar to be made by big business by promoting nuclear power.
They have been caught asleep at the wheel again over this issue. This is an ill considered reaction to a shocking problem where, just like their attempt to use the climate change issue to push nuclear power, they seem to be using child abuse to take away the aboriginal land entry permit system. Howard is emulating his hero Bush here. This move on aboriginal communities is similar to Bush's ill considered push into Iraq. Charge in with much action and leave the locals in a worse mess than they were in to start with. Where's the long term action and withdrawal plan? The consultation with the people on the ground? While I agree that sometimes instant, dynamic action is required, I believe the record will show that this government is more interested in winning an election than improving the wellbeing of our aboriginal citizens.

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Jenny Walford
August 12th, 2007

It is heartbreaking and dismaying to see the conditions in remote areas in which some indigenous people live and unfortunately drink has been the downfall of some individuals and communities. In the recent past we have heard of all the money that is "being thrown at the problem"; no consultative approach; no structured plan and surely that is what governments do so often. Public health initiatives must be based on consultation with the communities in which a service is required. People have to be empowered to change or adopt better lifestyles but they need opportunities to do so. This government not only eschews consultation but brazenly ignores the report and recommendations of people who have identified the problems and proposed interventions. Work with the people: I am sure that most indigenous people want to protect their children, overcome their disadvantage and see a way forward for the next generation. But this government's action is seen simply as a knee jerk reaction in an election year - how immoral. Sometimes Sorry is a good place to start.

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John McKeon
August 12th, 2007

Your comment: I well remember John Howard making a disgusting fuss about the large fraction of this continent to which Aboriginal people still enjoy at least some recognition of their rights and belonging.

Senators, do your duty for the Aboriginal people. Defend their entitlement to country. Look to their report on what is best to protect their children. Be alert to the hypocrisy of this land grab. Bear in mind how past land grabs led to to so much social injury and destruction.

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Ken Stewart
August 12th, 2007

Their move on this matter is typical "Howard Government" - the "bull at a gate" approach, no consultation with those whose lives will be directly affected, no consideration to implement some of the recommendations in the 'report', just roll up your sleves, bring in the army and the police and show 'em who the real bosses are.

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loma bridge
August 12th, 2007

These are the voices to listen to - they know what they are talking about. They are fully cognisant of the issues at stake. Treat them with respect.

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Marion Berry
August 12th, 2007

Get your Act together Senators DON'T legislate this terrible bill which deprives our indigenous peoples their basic rights.
I thought we were a democracy. You could have fooled me.
Howard is a dangerous man. He has served his time and it's time for him and Janette to go.

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Marion Berry
August 12th, 2007

Get your Act together Senators DON'T legislate this terrible bill which deprives our indigenous peoples their basic rights.
I thought we were a democracy. You could have fooled me.
Howard is a dangerous man. He has served his time and it's time for him and Janette to go.

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Patricia Ludovici
August 12th, 2007

I am a white European migrant to this country, have loved it despite its flaws. Howard's style of government is making it a country harder and harder to love, with a sense of shame taking precedence. Howard DO NOT DO AWAY WITH THE PERMIT SYSTEM, that is the ultimate act of contempt towards a people who have had so much taken from them. Let us in some small way, still be visitors, (with permission) to the land still left to them.

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Moya Henderson
August 12th, 2007

I can't believe that you are doing this, Mr Howard, but if it turns out that you have used shame in both black and white communities to mask a sneeky land reassignment, then you and your cabinet have sunk to new depths. You are so off our radar, we cannot believe this is possible. Who is so perfidious amongst you that he dare to exploit blackfellas' shame in favour of the gubber-man's greed. Ugh, Mr Howard, you are all 'wince and contortion' when you face up on TV these days. No wonder!

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S Mac Dougall
August 12th, 2007

It's about time our leaders (for want of a better word) treated all Australians the same, yes there are problems in the remote communities but there are also problems in our close rural and town communities - are we to have the same treatment? will our homes and lands owned and paid for by us also to be taken because it would make anice nuclear power station or nuclear waste dump?
There is no need to take away the permit system! - unless there is a more sinister long term plan that will benefit big business - mining and the nuc industry. It would appear that 'Saving the Children' is only a front for more sinister plans. The aboriginal community is being treated like kindergarden children, thats already been proven to be a a bad idea, give them pride and their culture let them stand tall a few bad apples can be removed but give them true rights!

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J.J. Bridle
August 12th, 2007

How much easier will it be for mining companies to explore and mine if they do not have to negotiate and consult with native title owners over permission to enter their lands and enter economic agreements with Aboriginal communities if this legislation gets through?
In these great economic times borne along on the back of a mineral boom, and with the nuclear industry pretending that the nuclear energy is the answer to global warming (which any sensible person knows it never will be)- it would be very convenient to cut out that process and only to have to negotiate with the government. There is an awful lot of money to be made by the mining industry and its investors. By the way make sure your investments are in clean green renewable energies.

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Jacinta Maxwell
August 12th, 2007

The Little Children are Sacred report recommended greater self determination in Indigenous communities as a key component to address child abuse. If this legislation is passed, the problems in communities will persist as they have in the past when ill-concieved, paternalistic, disempowering and shallow measures have been implemented.

It is time for politicians to stop regarding Indigenous people as less than human - as objects to be used and manipulated for political points. Where is the focus on healing past trauma? What part of this legislation is going to address the transgeneration trauma that has resulted from decades of dispossesion, abuse by authorities, the destruction of families, the dismantling of traditional Law, the near annihilation of language...

The Prime Minister says that this sort of action has never been taken before. In fact, this is the only sort of action that has ever been taken.

There must be consultation if any legislation is to be of benefit. This issue must not be used to win an election. Unfortunately, enacting laws that discriminate against Indigenous people does not lose elections. It's f'ked to think that so many people have fought for these rights when they can be dismissed in one day. Way to crush the spirit folks.

This legislation is unethical and racially discriminatory. It should not be passed without substantial consultation with the people whose lives are involved, not just one or two 'Indigenous leaders', hand picked by the Government. Abuse everywhere needs to be stopped, but this is not the way. It can only makes things worse.

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Lisa Saunders
August 12th, 2007

The problems in the NT have been acknowledged for the past DECADE and the bandaid solution being offered in an election year is appalling.

Child abuse, homelessness, education and health needs to be addressed in all Australian communities regardless of race.

Consultation with each individual Aboriginal community provides individual solutions rather than a blanket approach which clearly does not work.

By removing the permit system you may as well allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to walk into each and every one of our houses as well. I'd love to know how much you'd appreciate me showing up on your door step Mr Howard just because I could.

Lets help our struggling Aboriginal communities take control of their lives and futures...but not at the expense of their culture and basic human rights.

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Martin Miller
August 12th, 2007

As a TRUE house of review, the Australian senate is no more. This is because of the contempt with which the Howard government now ‘thumbs’ its nose at this once great institute. This institute could once examine, in depth, all aspects of government.
The Australian people in a great show of democracy showed how they felt for the Aboriginal people in the 1967 Aboriginal Referendum, overwhelmingly.
As Senators who are supposable there to represent the people of their State, and not their party. I would hope that when they vote this week that they vote the way their conscious and their heart tells them. NOT the way their party says.

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JULIE A SUCK
August 12th, 2007

Yes! Stop the abuse not only children but of the communities as a whole. Once again we're treating Aboriginal people as a collective problem rather than treating individuals with a problem. Individual Australians who need help - medical, financial, legal, family support - have a right to get it whether they live in Pt Hedland, Broome, Jigalong or Three Mile camps. We have no right to wipe out hard won Land Rights in a media-frenzy of concern whipped up just for an election. There are different problems in different communities ... not one Canberra imposed answer for a nameless big black mob. Sending in the troops shames me as a white Australian. This exercise means just one more thing we are going to have to say sorry for!! The aboriginal people need hand-ups, not hand-outs, it's the hand-outs that have got them into this aweful state. They have traditional beliefs that need to be respected and encouraged to ensure their mob's continuity.

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Jean Menere
August 12th, 2007

There is marital and child abuse in every area of poverty and ignorance. What would happen if the army and police moved into an area in West Sydney or the west of Melbourne and as a reprisal took over any suburban block the residents may be fortunate enough to own?

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janet upcher
August 12th, 2007

After 11 years of inaction and obfuscation, the coalition suddenly deides to rush through legislation at the speed of a scud missile? Don't tell Australians it's a necessary and compassionate act, John and Kevin. The abuse has been going on for years, as has our neglect of aboriginal health and legislation. What's the hurry now? Nothing to do with uranium and othrer mineral resources? Just as Iraq had nothing to do with oil?
The Australian people won't be conned; let's hope the Senate will consult their consciences before allowing this draconian legislation to subjugate once again our indigenous compatriots. Their dignity has suffered enough from our paternalistic 'solutions'.

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Barbara Sager
August 12th, 2007

While agreeing that the problem of child abuse is avery serious one and must be tackled, I believe the laws now before the house have not been given proper consideration. Surely cosultation with the Aboriginal people should be central to the making of legislation that so profoundly affects their communities. I beg you to delay passage of this bill until there has been an opportunity for a full debate and consultation with Aboriginal leaders and delegates

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Marlene Hodder
August 12th, 2007

I am an ex-Pom naturalised Australian of 46 years standing. Since 1969 I have worked with Aboriginal people in many parts of Australia, and for the last 20 years in and around Central Australia: not seeing myself as a do-gooder or 'bleeding heart' but more as an enabler, hoping in some small way to assist people to reach their potential and attain their rights to be who they are and what they want to be.
The current "NT Emergency Intervention" is a travesty of justice and is part of a Federal Government longterm plan to assimilate Aboriginal people into the mainstream and open up the land to speculators, uranium mining and nuclear waste disposal.
Aboriginal people are the most disempowered and impoverished in our country, having been dispossessed of any representation by this government. The handpicked National Indigenous Council is a tokenistic and a joke, despite some efforts of Sue Gordon.
The whole intervention exercise makes me sick at heart.
Australia is now in the historic process of killing the oldest living culture in the world, destroying its connection to land and country and its right to exist. Killing the goose that lays the golden egg in terms of the thriving Aboriginal art industry and the tourism industry. It is Australia's loss; it is the world's loss.

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Kia Mistilis
August 12th, 2007

During 11 years of the Howard Government, more than 30 reports on remote Indigenous communities detailing the lack of infrastructure, health and education services, and their direct relationship on chronic poverty and the associated problems of alcohol abuse and child abuse and HAVE BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY IGNORED.
Now, in 2007, all of a sudden the Howard Government has decided to act, and has tied their action to the Land Rights and Sovereignty of Indigenous peoples.

This is not just wrong, or even poor social policy. It represents a blatant disregard for the human rights of indigenous peoples. How ironic in the 40th year after Aboriginal Australians were granted citizenship in their own country, that the Federal Government is now acting to remove hard won indigenous rights, not increase them. This Government disgusts me, they have NO HUMANITY!

Postscript Message to John Howard: Dear Prime Minister, I'm from Bondi in Sydney and I've heard there's quite a few pedophiles preying on kids here, especially near the beach. I've also seen lots of people drunk in the street at night and weekends, and regular brawls outside pubs, over many, many years. Campbell Parade's full of intoxictaed dysfunctional people every weekend, especially in summer, and no-one's done anything about it! Maybe you should send the army in here too and take over our Waverley Council. We obviously can't govern ourselves! Oops, sorry, I forgot. We are a mainly non-indigenous suburb, and we are not sitting on top of hundreds of millions of dollars of mineral wealth.

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Joseph Castley
August 12th, 2007

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Wonderful blog. The bighearted Australianness that John Howard has been eroding for 10 years.

Wonderful if he loses his own seat!

Wonderful comment by Gina Smith," ...our permit system removed...[but] [w]e had to get permits to come into Parliament House"

Have individual Senators so little honour or integrity that they will accept party directives on these Bills?

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Diana Burgess
August 12th, 2007

There is one thing all of us should do...I already have....go to the Kevin07 website and HAVE YOU SAY there too. Flood him with your opinion on this issue....the more that do the better our chances are that he will listen.

Fill the blogs as well. DO IT....

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Ann Bolch
August 12th, 2007

Please remember we live in a democratic community. Bull-dozing this legislation through with little consulation with Aboriginal people and barely any Senate debate undermines the strength of this country. If you truly want to remedy this appalling situation, act with integrity and with your ears and eyes open.

Thanks for your time, Ann

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Kerry Anne Johnstone
August 12th, 2007

I resent the attitude of the Australian Government. I resent the fact that many Aboriginal people do not have access to an educatiion which engages them, encourages them to go to school, equips them to function successfuly in our economy. I lament that Aboriginal studies are not taught in all schools. The same applies to health. I believe Aboriginies have a wisdom we whites have ignored, squandered. I lament that we, black and white Australians cannot mix freely and easily with one another, laugh and cry together, understand one another, be friends. I lament loss of respect between our people. I believe there should be Aboriginal seats in Parliament, Aboriginies elected by Aboriginies for Aboriginies.

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Adrian Mauriks
August 12th, 2007

Start at the beginning John Howard, set the aboriginal people free by removing an impediment, say Sorry on behalf of all Australians. Such a small thing with potentially enormous consequences.

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David OBENDORF
August 12th, 2007

As a white fella descended from blow-in English ancestors I am deeply ashamed to think that our take over has diminished Australia's first people to the extent that political cleverness in an election year is now used to bring about ideological centralist reforms that has the intention of crippling and setting back the culture & dignity of aboriginal communities.

I am ashamed and gutted but not surprised by this political ploy! If political 'white fella' paternalism can exploit the work & words of Ingenous leaders and then seek to "appropriate" (i.e. take) away aboriginal social capital by the speedy use of law, white fellas had better be careful.

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James B Gorey
August 12th, 2007

I have had the privelige of working with Indigenous people in WA desert communities, Arnhem Land and now the Kimberley of WA. I have been on an incredible adventure for the past few years that has completely changed my way of thinking and concept of indigenous affairs. The governments handling of Indigenous affairs has been a continual trail of "That didn't work, let's try something else". There is no doubt that "something has to be done", if there was a quick fix it would have been done. THIS IS NOT THE WAY.
The old people (aboriginal) think the white man is mad. Aboriginal law is cast in concrete and can't be changed. It's connection to land and culture is pivotal. They see the white man change his law when it suits him to do whatever it is they want to do at the time.
The current intervention is seen as divisive with an opportunity to conduct a land grab of Indigenous lands behind the smoke screen of child abuse and family disfunction. Yes these are grave issues and need to be addressed as quickly as possible, but not by the Police and Armed forces. The prosecutions so far have fragmented communities, the women are in fear of there safety and the possibility of payback from within their traditional groups. It is only the strong that are making statements, the others are doing what Aboriginal people do when they are disturbed and dont understand what is happeninig around them. THEY VOTE WITH THERE FEET AND LEAVE.
I appeal to the Mr. Howard and the Senate to listen to eminent Australians such as John AhKit, Galaroy Yunipingu, Fred Chaney and the many other leaders who have vast experience in Indigenous affairs and consult with Indigenous Regional and Community leaders and Traditional owners to come up with a workable solution to these problems. My experience with aboriginal elders tells me that when you put a problem to them, give them the time they need to consult with community and cultural groups, they rarely make a bad decision and often are very innovative in their deliberations.
The millions spent on this intervention would be better put to address the appalling living conditions within communities. The reality is three generations of people (up to 30 or more), including siblings, their partners and children living in a simple 3 bedroom house with 1 bathroom, blocked or broken drains, leaking taps and only 1 faulty stove in a manner that can only be compared to third world conditions. Would you have a functional family if you had to livr in these conditions Mr. Howard?

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Claudette Palmer
August 12th, 2007

Mr Howard is not fair dinkim about stamping out child abuse. If he were he would tackle the whole of Australia. This problem has been with us for a long time and if you dare to confront the issue you'd end up in jail like the author of 'Ten Years'. Howard has another agenda and it has nothing to do with the protection of childrn. The reality is Police are a big part of the problem. Politicians too. I know for a fact that Howard does not want to look for these paedophile creeps knowing he may well be sitting in Parliament with them. That there are no human rights in Australia is fact. Howard thinks we do not need them because we have talk back radio. How insulting. Please Australia do not put this man back in! I think he is to be feared more than the terrorists. He is just so sneaky and is not there for the ordinary law-abiding citizen.

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helen plaut
August 12th, 2007

There are two things crucially wrong with the PM's intervention in indigenous communities. The first is that it removes from such comunities any last chance to regain the respect for their elders, their fathers and male leaders, and the rule of law that they must represent, that has been so damaged over the years of extreme maltreatment that indigenous people have endured. It is being done on entirely the same pronciple as the invasion of Iraq was done, that is, the intrusion into and domination of another society by us 'for their own good', and it will have the same kind of ultimate effect. The second thing that is wrong with the PM's intervention is that it reflects again the PM's confusion of benevolently-paternal leadership by an accepted outsider, which can be constructive, with self-opinionated and imposed dictatorship, which is always destructive. The PM evidently doesn't know the difference, and considers himself above the law rather than obliged to endorse it. This must be stopped, and the civilzed rule of due process restored, for the sake of all Australians, indigenous and settlers.

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Janice Rees
August 12th, 2007

Your comment

In the past the actions of the government have been about taking power away from our Indigenous Australians. Child abuse is not to be tolerated and is echoed throughout Australia in all communities, not only in Indigenous. And why is it every time governments are in power and 'appear' to be 'helping' Aboriginal Communities there is often an underlying Agenda. E.g.what has the exclusion of the 'Anti Discrimination Act' got to do with mending communities affected by sexual abuse? Any Legislations passed through Parliament directly affecting the quality of lifestyle and culture should be in counsel with the Elders of the Indigenous communities. From my own observations, the 'Elders' are very respected people in their communities. The Indigenous 'Elders' are often of very high integrity and have a genuine and deep concern for all Indigenous families It isn't about who is right or who is wrong. It is about empowerment of people. I would be very fearful and disturbed if the government introduced the army to police the parenting in 'my street' - how terrifying. And if the government has known for many years about 'child molestation' in the Aboriginal Communities - why is it that action is only available now leading up to a Federal Election? Has this been a publicity stunt? What is the reason for this Mr Howard?
I do not condone child sexual abuse in any shape or form. Perhaps money used for an army contingency could have been put into social change that would be permanent. When 'the Army' leave the communities and with a change of government will families go back the way they were? Whatever happened to 'people for people'. If Mr Rudd's government wins this Federal Election he will not be an exception to the rule. As citizens of Australia we are told we live in a democratic country, but there are times when it doesn't appear that way at all - particularly for the Indigenous Australians. I am tired and saddened by the political, patriarchal 'slop' handed onto 'all Australians'. And I agree with a previous comment - fix our Mental Health Services in Australia. High statistics prove our communities for 'all Australians' are suffering family dysfunction. E.g. it is widely known that illicit drugs including cannabis use may bring on symptoms of schizophrenia. Another example is that immunization may in some cases be blamed for ADD, ADHD and Aspurges symptoms in our children. If mental illness is attributed to many forms of social dysfunction in Australians, including sexual abuse, isn't it time to fund heavily in social change long term? Slipping Legislative Acts through Parliament that will grossly affect Indigenous people, in this time of Child Protection crisis, is so typical of the government. who has always operated this way with the Indigenous, to 'give with one hand - whilst taking with the other'. Time to stop now!!!

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Elizabeth Trickett
August 12th, 2007

Yes, action is needed to stop child abuse but child abuse is not just an Indigenous issue. In fact I would go so far as to say, due to domestic violence or domestic TERRORISM as I prefer, that one in four households with children, the children are experiencing child abuse of some form. If the Government thinks its intervention strategies, directed only at Indigenous communities are correct, then why are they not being introduced throughout Australia, across all communities, white, black or brindle. If there is nothing to be ashamed about then these intervention stategies should be applied to everyone. So why then, does this make me feel ashamed to be Australian.

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Alan Woodcock
August 12th, 2007

This is a typical Howard try on and a bloody RORT as well.
Kill it now

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Florence Howarth
August 12th, 2007

Mr Howard will at last be able to say sorry to the indigneous people of Australia for the harm he is in the process casuing to these people. It is exactly the ast hey have suffered for over 200 myears.

The situation for these peolpe is bad, children are suffering.

I have taken particular notice of the pictures shown on TV and elsewhere. No one could say they are as unsettling as those taken 30 years ago. Except for some photos of garbage dumps, the children are coming across as clean, well dressed and happy. No sign of children with their head near the ground and runny noses.

Photos of badly abused, especially sexually abused show them as looking extremely unhappy with sad eyes. Not laughting and happy children clearly interacting with all around them.

Yes there is serious sexuall and other abuse which can only be wiped ou by proper investigation by police and child protection workers that know what they are doing. Any other action will push the problem further underground.

The government should be dealing with the causes housing, suitable policing, education and employmen and education. In the long term, housing needs to be on the top of the any action.

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Joan Spittle
August 12th, 2007

the last 11 years have seen no interest or improvement in this area by the gaovernment, putting the pressure on these people by calling in the military is no well thought out plan but a knee jerk reaction to an up coming election. Put some well planned educational and work projects in place to see a long term change, that will make a lasting change for these people. give them some self respect and things will improve automatically.

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linda bennett
August 12th, 2007

Dear Senators,

When will we white people learn that we need to listen to the communities who are directly affected by this legislation? More listening so we do not continue repeat the mistakes of the past with continuing devastating consequences for Indigenous children and their families.

Yours sincerely, Linda Bennett

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E. Reger
August 12th, 2007

I am apaulled at the zliberals autocratic and arrogantmnner of their handling of the N.T. child abuse. Where is the consultation??? Where is the due respect for the Elders of our Nation? Sham,e Howard & Co. Shame. I. Reger

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Deirdre Farrell
August 12th, 2007

Why is it necessary for the government to take away Aboriginal land to prevent child abuse? Also, removal of the permit system will lead to the old abuses problems of unlimited alcohol sales to these communities by anyone who wants to profit from the new laws. How can the Sewnate pass this legislation when it has not had time to study it probably? Please Senators, stop being a rubber stamp just there is a government majority there, and do the job for which you were elected.

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ahmo garden
August 12th, 2007

Shameful and Disgusting. 200 years of occupation, and the Australian government can't get enough. Bury your contaminants in the cities, near the white folk. this is land-grab, occupation, to make way for US led military needs, to, yet again, work on "main-strreaming" AAboriginals, instead of honoring them for caring for land, for This Land that we all inhabit. Terra Nullis all over again, in 2007. the 2 major parties want us to know how godly they are. These actions are devilish, satanic, evil. Stand up, for God's sake, against this further repression of this nation's First People. I'm a white woman, blessed to ive in this wondeerously beautiful land.Protect us all, assume some moral authority, by attending to what the Saving the Children report documented, 97 recommendations, side-lined in the Howard bid for re-election and Rudd's need to be Me-too, just like Howard's Me-too with Bush. Shameful. Don't Allow this travesty of justice. The Whole World is Watching!

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Alan Woodcock
August 12th, 2007

500 pages of legislation and a ONE Day Senate hearing !! Then only TWO DAYS of debate with no indigenous input !!!!
Another Howard RORT and TRY ON.It's time Australia got BALLS and consigned Howard to the dustbin of history--where he belongs

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Richelle HEdstrom
August 12th, 2007

It is highly disappointing that the paternalistic governmental approach towards Indigenous issues in Ausralia is continuing into the 21st century.
Problems of abuse, education, infrastructure and employment in indigenous communities are obviously very complex, threfore requiring complex solutions, and intense community consultation with those who will be directly effected by these radical impending new laws. Existing legal, health, community centres and NGOs need to be empowered through consistant and sustainable funding. The strong of heart in the private sector need to make informed and consultative investments in these communities.
It is very clear that the REAL motivations for these hasty, misguided government moves, lie in the resource rich land that will be aquired by the government, and subsequently the big buck mining companies that will ultimately come out of all this with sizeable profits.
This is wrong and so obviously a land grab!

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Liam Davison
August 12th, 2007

Senators!
When are you going to return Australia to true parliamentary democracy? The proposed legislation is deeply flawed, not based on consultation and likely to compound the already disastrous situation for indigenous people. Please hold John Howard and his government to account! He is making a mockery of parliamentary process in refusing to allow proper scrutiny of the legislation.

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Penny Polkinghorne
August 12th, 2007

The paternalistic treatment of all indigenous communities in the same way, negates the hard work and positive programmes from leadership that is occuring. The only way things will improve is consultation for ownership for solutions.

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CLIVE MONTY
August 12th, 2007

No one denies the fact of child abuse - in the white community as well as indigenous communities. What is needed is an appropriate not panicked response to a situation that is no sudden emergency but has been documented fully over the years.

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David Reichardt
August 12th, 2007

I have no trust that the real purpose behind this legislation is not to roll back Mabo and the ability of Aboriginal people to determine their own lives. No one doubts there is a huge problem in the Aboriginal community, but the root of the problem lies in the social dislocation and demoralisation caused by whites invading this continent and acting like conquerors ever since. No wonder Aborigines fear that this legislation is not just another arrogant act in this tragedy. Do they have any reason to suppose otherwise?

Until we relate to Aborigines as equals, with real dignity - and that includes sincere apologies for the wrongs our kind have wreaked on theirs - all the talk about practical solutions is likely to continue to be perceived as cynical expediency. If I, a white male doing well in life, do not trust my government at all, how is any Aborigine going to?

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Vincent O'Hara
August 12th, 2007

This "government's appalling record of unfair treatment of aboriginal people is of long standing. NOW, we have the shortest "debating" time on record for a supremely important matter, proving the contemptuous attitude of Howard and his gang. ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

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Greg Connellan
August 12th, 2007

If the current bill relating to the Commonwealth intervention in NT indigenous communities is so necessary to protect indigenous children then it is absoultely necessary to get it right. Rushed, election motivated legislation is potentially very dangerous to the safety of indigenous children. The Senate should sit for as long as it takes to allow proper consideration of and consultation such radical legislation and if necessary the legislation should be broken up into several bills to allow the passage of components of the proposal that are clearly beneficial and give more time to those that are not so clearly beneficial. Further the Bills should only be passed if they contain clear short and long term budgets for the cost of implementation and appropriation bills should be passed simultaneously to provide the necessary funds. Senators should remain in Canberra for as long as it takes, until the election is called if necessary, to ensure this is done properly and then send it back to the reps. The situation in the NT reflects the neglect of these communities, the lack of respect for their culture, refusal to genuinely acknowledge their place in Australian society as the historical custodians of their lands and the disregard of their human rights by mainstream Australia for a long time. The neglesct and abuse of indigenous children is not news - sadly it is an old and well know reality. If the answer lies with Commonwealth intervention then it is worth getting it right. Senators should all be given a conscience vote on this legislation - more so because it has arisen in the shadow of a federal election. This appears to be driven not by a sudden discovery of a serious but hidden problem but by the discovery of an election strategy based on attacking and blaming the states and territories as a means of appearing to be a strong decisive national leader.

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chris atmore
August 12th, 2007

Letter to the Senate

Please uphold our democratic parliamentary process by refusing to pass this legislation until proper consultations and debate have taken place with Indigenous leadership and with reference to the recommendations of 'Little Children Are Sacred'.

The issues which are the subject of the bill are too important to be treated in such a cavalier fashion. As overseas experience has shown (eg NZ and Canada, both of which have much to teach us here), there are no hasty quick-fix solutions to child sexual abuse, whether Indigenous or not.

Strategies will only be successful if they have the support of Indigenous leadership across the board and factor in the social determinants of Indigenous health and well-being.

I urge you in particular to stress that removing Indigenous control of the process and in particular control of lands, will only worsen the foundations of communities. In order to combat sexual abuse and other trauma and generational dysfunction, these foundations need to be supported and strengthened in dialogue with community leaders, not imposed externally.

Please do not make your participation in this rush legislation - on which Australia will be likely subject to future international sanctions (for example, for violating UN human rights conventions) - a source of regret for all of those elected representatives who simply acquiesced to an ill-conceived and politically motivated response.

Dr Chris Atmore
former child sexual abuse researcher in both Australia and New Zealand

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Deirdre Farrell
August 12th, 2007

Why does the Howard Government think that its legislation should be exempt from the Racial Discrimination Act? Why send in the army and police, the two bodies which have abused aborigines throughout white history? Why do we not hear more from Aboriginal representatives and less fro white "experts"; why does the Government not consult them? Why didnt Howard implement any of the recommendations from the "Little children are sacred" report? Why is this bulky legislation being rushed through Parliament without time to properly scrutinise it? The Senate should consider these points, instead of acting like a rubber stamp.

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christin coralive
August 12th, 2007

Like many fellow aussies I am so very ashamed of where our meglamaniac prime minature has taken us in his years of power/war mongering. Until we had little jonnie at our helm young aussies could pretty well travel the world and we were seen as friends. Now we are the laughing stock and/or enemy in many places and with good reason if this week in parliament is anything to go by.
There is child abuse everywhere. Always has been. In my very privilidged overly anglo/germanic elderly community, it is rife. Fortunately, we, the fighters of child abuse, have had some success. For example, Chief Magistrate Peter Liddy got the longest sentence of any paedophile so far.
Of all the OECD countries Australia spends by far the LEAST MONEY ON OUR CHILDREN UNDER 5. If you saw the graph it is so obvious. Why in this supposedly 'lucky country' is this the bottom line.
Why do we spend LESS, way less than every other developed nation on our most valuable resource, our future, our children. And if your dare say such a thing, as Bill Heffernan did one time in Parliament, have a look at what happened to him, when he did.
SSHHsshh the children know what we so called adults don't care to remember. I believe paedophilia has always been a big part of our colonial history. Just ask the thousands of survivors of THE STOLEN GENERATIONS who perhaps were helped to reconnect but then what? The experience of being disconnected and abused doesn't just go away. Sadly victims often choose to perpetrate what they have been taught.
You could not stoop any lower or could you, Jonnie? To use our nation's most vulnerable children as your political weapon of last resort, once again shows the sort of person you are. Shame, shame shame.

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Lea Bertacco
August 12th, 2007

I have never been so distressed by a piece of legislation. The decision by the government to pursue a thinly veiled assimilationist policy and a land grab is a blight on the rights of indigenous Australians and a further embarrassment to Australia's human right's record. What does stopping sexual abuse have to do with taking away their land rights? It is about time all the senators get over being so politically correct and start calling a spade a spade. Taking control of their land is not related to child abuse. They need to look after the most vulnerable in those communities, this means not discriminating against them. We do not seize the properties of paedophiles, yet we are going to seize the land of the not only the some of the perpetrators but also all of the victims, where's the justice in that? This will ultimately harm the children further not help them. I’m sure that it is no accident that it is happening during a resources boom.

Also sending in the ADF, when you can see members of the ADF being shown in a KKK outfit on You Tube, is a further embarrassment. These are the saviours you're sending into indigenous communities? Brendon Nelson’s snide remark about it being a bit of fun, further highlight my concerns about the disrespectful attitude towards indigenous people, who, in case you happened to notice, don’t have white skin.

It was embarrassing the way many members of the senate treated the authors of the Little children are sacred report were treated and further evidence that this is all about politics and not about the children. The members of the senate committee who didn’t even bother to listen to them in the lunch break, should all be ashamed of themselves. If the problem is so serious then why not take it seriously and listen to the people who really understand the problem – the experts? I am ashamed to live in a country where the government is prepared to do this and the opposition is prepared to rubber stamp the process. The members of the senate need to look to their consciences and take a stand for what is right not what is politically expedient.

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Michele Oliphant
August 12th, 2007

Please DO NOT pass this legislation regarding Mal Brough's Indigenous intervention as it stands now. A knee jerk reaction with no proper thought or consultation is not going to work. As a resident of the Northern Territory, I urge you to listen to the people who are most affected - Actually take the time to read and evaluate the 'Little children are sacred' report and use the tools of consultation and a human heart then maybe it won't look like a sinister ploy for a land grab. By taking away people's rights of independence and freedom you are never going to create the kind of Australia you should want to live in. Treat Aboriginal people as you would your own - the road to reconcilliation is a rocky one but do not turn back the clock now. Stop with The Intervention before it's too late. Please spent a bit more time, effort and money on a more workable solution. I will never vote for a government who passes this legislation, it is shameful.

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August 12th, 2007

We live in an amazing country, The Land of The Dreaming. I as a citizen and a person who loves this land cannot allow a police state in the NT, nor do I want that sacred land to be raped. I do not believe in the lies of the Government, I do not support Chairman Howard. I live and practice truth and GOD is that truth, everything you do in the NT to my Indigenous brothers and sisters is not acceptable and against GOD and the laws of this magical universe. I hope you can stand in truth and do the right thing.

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Paul Stuart
August 12th, 2007

Dear Senators,

You must be joking, shielas & fellas!! ....500 pages of controversial legislation, a paltry one-day Senate hearing, and merely two days of debate for laws that dramatically affect land tenure, health, welfare and the rights of Aboriginal communities in the NT – and, above all, done with practically no consultation with the Indigenous people affected!!

You wouldn't do this sort of farce if it was legislation affecting non-Aboriginal people!! Or would you?? Look here, I was born in Australia, pay Taxes and Vote, but these sort of things continuing from John Howard and you cronies makes me ashamed to be a white Aussie. Perhaps we'll test you at the next election!!

This legislation must not be passed in its current form. Problems of child abuse must be addressed but this hastily drafted and inadequate legislation is not the answer.

We, the people, demand workable solutions based on proper consultation, and vigourous debate and rigourous scrutiny of the laws that do so.

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Luke Bonte
August 12th, 2007

How can anyone trust a Liberal? Just look at their history of deceit and dishonesty. Even their name is a lie. They should be called the Australian Fascist Party.

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Maureen Shaw
August 12th, 2007

My wish is for our elected Senators to please act for all the people you represent. Do the right thing, not the convenient thing. White Australia has abused and neglected our Aboriginal friends for too long. Let's stop treating them like children and do more to empower and support them.

If they don't, our only choice is to vote them out and keep voting them out until we find some that will listen to the voice of the people.

GetUp has given us a platform, let's continue to use it to make us again proud to be an Australian.

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Leah Armand
August 12th, 2007

Banning porn is the most ridiculous and counterproductive thing I have ever heard! This is about child sex abuse, and adults need a sexual outlet. Banning porn will reduce their options and make them more likely to sexually abuse children. Legal porn is positive for child abusers because it displays adults having sex. Why do you think that so many priests abuse children? Because all their sexual outlets are banned! To combat child abuse, we should focus on encouraging normal sexual behaviour, i.e. consentual sex between adults.

The problem of child abuse being more widespread in Aboriginal communities is due to so many factors that have nothing to do with race. The basic idea is that from the very beginning the Aboriginal people have been disadvantaged by racism and lack of freedom and support. This resulted in them not having the same opportunities in health and education as the "whites" and often these hardships, and most importantly, a lack of something meaningful to do with their time, as well as a genetic predisposition has led to widespread alcoholism. This has been a main factor in causing an increased incidence of child abuse, which has continued to rise exponentially because victims often become abusers themselves.

Something needs to be done, but Howard's plan, particularly with regards to banning alcohol and pornography is not the way to go. Improving school attendance is definitely going to have a positive impact. Quarantining welfare might work if it's done the right way, but I think it should be applied to everyone, Australia wide, regardless of race. I think instead of handing the Aborigines extra money because we as good as destroyed them many years ago, we should spend that money on trying to fix the problems we created, primarily through improving health and education and implementing positive community programs, especially to combat alcoholism.

After ignoring their issues, the government is now planning to severely decimate the Aboriginal people all over again.

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Laurie Masshford
August 12th, 2007

The government's bundling of the provision of resources with major diminution of aboriginal entitlements appears intended to use the accepted urgency of the former, to drive forward the latter. Their avoidance of debate hightens suspicion that the latter is their principal motivation.

Voters should note the voting on the bill, of those senators over whose careers they have at least some power.

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jean-marie Fauquenot
August 12th, 2007

At the Beginning of this new Century, this new Millenium
Is it not time to "GET UP" and Get Out of this Archaic System the present government seems so complacent about?
Is it not time to ACT as a Nation of so much diversity and recognise each other's rights?
Is it not time to REALISE that you have been elected to Represent us, and MAKE SURE that the government issued from the Vote of the People of AUSTRALIA, along with the Parliament, Act in Respect of the RIGHTS of every AUSTRALIAN?
Therefore, we count onto YOU, our Representatives, to Make Sure that IT IS SO!
THANK YOU!

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jacqueline Moore
August 12th, 2007

I come from a land where the indiginous people fought a bloody war to force the western invaders to implement democracy. THrough the democratisation of that country I have seen how true consultation can work. But we have even seen a process beyond mere consultation. We have seen where the white man has simply brought some knowledge to a place so the indigenous people could make informed decision themselves about their own future, their own housing needs, their own requirements for water and sanitation and so on.
It is quite incredible to witness the arogance of the white man in Australia to think that they will not learn from processess outside of Australia. They will not go beyond their borders to see how other conflicts are resolved in the rest of the world. Clearly the Australian government has absolutely no idea what they are doing. Booming economy, comparatively tiny population, ample resources, and all they can do is send in the police like the bullies they are. Still they think in the us-and-them-context. There is no true cultural integration.
Please look to yourselves and admit that you really do not know what you are doing. Look to the rest of the world and humble yourselves by acknowledging cultures that have learned about true inclusiveness for all cultures.
Let Australians be made aware of the rest of the world and the successes to be had, instead of hiding them from the truth so they do not have to look too closely at their own home and the blights on it.

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Kym Anderson
August 12th, 2007

Please make sure that you are all remembering that this policy is affecting many children's lives. Even though they are children of the first people, they are never-the-less children. It is well known that there has been much injustice, and that there is a cycle of substance abuse and poor health and education - but these problems were introduced into the Aboriginal communities from colonisation. However, I applaude the effort to take action to help prevent these cycles any further, but at what cost? Keep the policy fair, as it may one day need to be implimented as mainstream - and it wouldn't be fair on the Indigenous people if the policy they endure becomes softer to the mainstream population through less media intervention and public awareness. As an Indigenous tertiary student, I hope that something positive can come out of this policy. There is nothing I wish more than for my brothers, sisters and cousins to become more than a 'stereotype'. And, remember, rushed policy will gain nothing but criticism especially if there is no consultation with the Indigenous communities of the Northern Territory. This should be debated, consultated, and really understood as a posible future policy for mainstream Australia. As I know for a fact, that there is just as much abuse happening in the mainstream communities, it is just not publicised because no-one wants to think there is anything wrong in society. It is easier to blame and stereotype the people who are already down in the first place.

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penny & charles bristol & jones
August 12th, 2007

Two days debate for an issue as important and long lasting at this is a disgrace. This does not constitute democratic debate! Whilst child sex abuse is a huge issue needing immediate action,action such as improved and appropriate health services that indigenous people have been asking for for years, taking away the land of indigenous people negates any action by white governments for the future wellbeing of aboriginal people. They might as well go out with guns and strychnine, because the thinking is the same.
Do not add to the shame we already face for our treatment of our indigenous citizens over the past 200 odd years.
To all Senators, please, postpone legislation until full debate occurs. The consequences of rushing this through are too horrible to contemplate.

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Christopher McLean
August 12th, 2007

To my local ALP senators -

I have been very heartened by the recent turnaround in the ALP's support and I believe that it is desperately important that the Liberal coalition is defeated at the next election. However, I find myself bitterly disappointed by the ALP's support for the current Federal takeover of Aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory.

I have lived and worked on one of these communities and my children grew up as the only white children on this community, with Aboriginal children as their close friends. My children are both bilingual (English and Walpiri) and continue to maintain very close relationships with the Aboriginal people they grew up with.

I believe that this gives me an insight into what is happening on at least some Aboriginal communities, particularly to Aboriginal children. I do not believe that the current Federal government's actions are motivated at all by a concern for Aboriginal welfare. They are simply using it as an excuse to destroy Aboriginal people's hard won land rights and independence. It is clear to me that the current legislation has no support among people who really understand the problems being experienced on Aboriginal communities and who have a proven record on Aboriginal justice and welfare issues.

I would like to urge you very strongly not to support the current legislation. You now have an opportunity to distinguish yourself from the Liberal Coalition. By all means make a commitment to take concerted action on Indigenous disadvantage and the very serious problems on communities (this is well overdue from the ALP). But please promise to do it by cooperating and consulting with the many very good Indigenous leaders and concerned people who live and work in these communities.

I regard this issue as so important that it will decide my vote. If you vote for the current legislation I will note vote for you and I will also make sure that my preferences do not flow to you.

As far as I am concerned, it is time for the ALP to stop its "small target" policy and stand up and be counted on issues of critical ethical importance.

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Ken McLeod
August 12th, 2007

This is the week in which history will judge the capacity of the Australian Senate to assert its constitutional authority to check the worst excesses of an arrogant and morally bankrupt government.

Do not destroy the advances that have been achieved by indigenous Australians since the 1967 referendum, however inadequate our performance as a nation has been. We should be building on these achievements with renewed commitment, not taking a giant step backwards to 1905.

Senators, do your duty. Subject this appalling legislation to a thorough review, require the government to justify its outrageous gab for draconian powers over the lives of thousands of Australians, listen to the views of all the stakeholders, and examine the historical record. This is the very least Australians are entitled to expect of you.

If you do not have the capacity or the will to do this your only honourable course of action is to resign now.

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Dr Tony Owens, Psychologist
August 12th, 2007

Children who grow up in secure homes & neighbourhoods tend to confident and happy. The Permit system in aboriginal lands is doing just that. Indigenous people, once secure in their Lands, are now once again being invaded by we guntoting, insensitive, uncaring whites. If the Senate allows the removal of the permit system, indigenous children and their families will sense even more keenly the enmity of the outsiders, lowering sense of self esteem and belonging, the key ingredients for positive personality development in children. Some wonder why black people suicide so easily. By passing this law the Senate will be handing each black child a virtual piece of rope already tied in a noose. Be a Man! Be a Woman! Stand up for humankind and reject this Bill. Instead consult with elders and communities on improvement to indigenous housing living and total health care. In particular hold the Minister and field staff accountable for their action and lamentable inaction. This Bill is a threat to all indigenous children. If this Bill passes I will be ashamed of being an Aussie just like I was when Whitlam gave Indonesia the go-ahead to invade East Timor in 1975.

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Helen Clarke
August 12th, 2007

It is well past time to make sure ALL children are safe from any sort of abuse. If the Howard government introduces these draconian measures to ensure aboriginal children are not abused, why not extend the same legislation to the rest of the community and see how it feels to be totally overridden, not consulted and have your property taken over WITHOUT ANY CONSULTATION AT ALL. PLEASE do not pass these laws without considering how when one section of the community may be helped,the action will create major problems further on. Above all, DO NOT remove the permit system. That ensures some measure of control by the community over who may legally enter. Those concerned with the welfare of women and children and legal matters can still enter when necessary. It really smells like quick political expediency rather that proper longterm solutions.

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kim perry
August 12th, 2007

Child abuse is a complex and serious problem in our society. To effectively address the issues within our aboriginal communities, we must AT THE VERY LEAST consult with these communities and and give careful deliberation of the recommendations.
A HURRIED KNEE JERK LEGISLATION WILL NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH. I implore you to make your vote as if you were considering the potential danger of abuse as affecting your own family.
Please show some humanitarian spirit towards our indigenous peoples, and pass legislation which will actually IMPROVE their situation.

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Val Simpson
August 12th, 2007

Why is it so hard to listen to the Indigenous peoples who will be most affected by this legislation? What harm is ther in having a full Senate enquiry into the legislation that will listen to all sides of the argument in order that an informed and reasonable outcome can be reached which will benefit all peoples involved.

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Nicholas Inskip
August 12th, 2007

I am appaled by the lack of time for adeqate debate in the Senate on the proposed legislation affecting our indiginous population. The proposals range from draconian to paternalistic and go to the heart of destroying the dignity and civil freedoms of a whole group of citizens based only on their race. We will all be poorer if the civil rights of any group are charred in the fire of political expediency.

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DR. MICHAEL LEAHY
August 12th, 2007

This legislation perpetuates the historical error of imposing whitefella solutions on blackfella problems. Such 'solutions' not only will fail, but they deserve to fail because they refuse to meet the first condition of success, which is to recognise the full humanity of Indigenous people. If the govt. is serious about meeting an emergency, it must make its first priority cooperation with the relevant communities in defining the problem and in devising solutions to it.

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August 12th, 2007

Letter to senators:

Please think very carefully of the consequences for Australian Aboriginals that may result from hasty decision-making. Put yourselves in their shoes, and think hard about what the wrong choices will mean.

Australian politicians have made gross errors in judgment of indigenous issues in the past, and cannot continue to make these errors.It is insane to focus on child abuse in Aboriginal communities which results in media hype, stereotyping, racism and more difficulties for Aboriginals.

It seems that the main problems in the communities being targeted stem from white people who take advantage of a lack of policing, greedy publicans, and those abuse of positions of power.The issues are too complex to make hasty decisions on for the sake of a vote grab in the upcoming election.

I believe the Australian people want justice for all children and abuse victims, but I don't believe we are stupid enough to not to see this breakneck policy-making for what it really is. It seems to be a cheap media stunt with no real thought of consequences for the real victims. There is also the question of more sinister motives on the part of the government. It's amazing what politicians think people ignore in the midst of hype.

Consider carefully before you vote on this. The Australian people are watching this issue most closely.

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Elizabeth Blue
August 12th, 2007

We all agree the problem of abuse needs a solution. That solution needs to be found within the communities involving parents and education. Taking away land and allowing white fellas to run the shop is a disgraceful step back in history and 'progress'. Australia should be run as a nation of equality as it pretends to be. Imagine the different attention this issue would have if it were a predominantly white community under scrutiny. I demand the government withdraw these ridiculous proposals and negotiate DEMOCRATICALLY with communities involved. Cultural communication is possible and the government needs to get off its high horse and have some humanity.

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Neil Sullivan
August 12th, 2007

No assistance of lasting value is EVER achieved when the wishes, needs and lifestyle of the recipients is ignored or undervalued; lack of respect breeds lack of respect, and it is the internal lack of respect of some members of the aboriginal community that the communities want to urgently address.

Of course they need our help, and it is our responsibility to give it. But the recolonisation of aboriginal rights will be a disaster. The "band-aid" will peel off as soon as the interveners think the job is done.

We have to consider the "authorities" in this case to be the aboriginals; we can help them with what they want to achieve and how they want to achieve it. Their lives and futures are at stake here.

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August 12th, 2007

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August 12th, 2007

Why does protecting children from abuse require a land fraud and racially discriminatory legislation? Isn't that how the kids got into this mess in the first place?

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Melanie Jansen
August 12th, 2007

Dear Senators,

The indigenous people of Australia have been downtrodden for over 200 years now. Yes, there are a multitude of problems in indigenous communities and Australian society but these are not due to an inherent deficiency in the indigenous people. They are due to two cultures that don't understand each other, a tragic and turbulent history and a dominant culture that is unwilling to acknowledge the situation and effect real change. These problems are incredibly complex and the approach needs to be multidisciplinary, non-judgemental, discussion-rich and long term. This latest "intervention" reeks of dominant culture paternalism and self righteousness. The Australian people are used to seeing knee-jerk reactions and skilful band-aid applications by our politicians. Unfortunately this band-aid isn't just a "quick-fix" but a downright abuse of human rights. Please see this situation for what it is and legislate to commit to solving this problem in consultation with indigenous communities and according to advice from multiple experts in the appropriate fields. Don't legislate for an ill-informed and unfeeling Howard government to relegate our indigenous people to second-class citizen status, and subject their culture to yet more trauma at our hands.

Melanie

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Cheryl Thompson
August 12th, 2007

Dear Senators.

I am a concerned Australian. For too long we have failed our Indigenous brothers and sisters, please don't let us fail them yet again by allowing legislation to be passed which does not fully and effectively address the situations being experienced by Indigenous Australians.

It appears that we the white man are once again about to fail our Indigenous brothers and sisters by imposing what we think the Indigenous communities need instead of listening to what the Indigenous communities actually need and want. This is why we must listen and accept that our way is not the right way for everyone. For any change to be effective anywhere people need to see the benefit of change and they have to be an active member of that change. They have to have a sense of ownership of the decisions that affect them. Indigenous people do have a right for self-determination, but we must make sure that they have the facilities and guidance to ensure that they are able to self govern their communities. Therefore we need to ensure that suitably qualified people whether they are indigenous or non-indigenous Australians are placed in the communities to teach the communities how to self govern and once they have the necessary skills we allow the community elders to fly solo so to speak. As with all government assistance the people receiving the assistance do have to be accountable to ensure that the financial assistance is being used appropriately. I think a lot of money, time and suitable resources needs to be put into this situation now, not a band-aid but a real viable long term solution. I do not want to hear in 10 years time that we still have people living in third world conditions and dying of diseases that no person should die from in a modern country such as Australia.

I want Indigenous Aussies to feel a sense of pride and worth. They have a lot to offer white Australia, so please take the necessary time to review the proposed legislation and please do not short change our Indigenous Australians, we want reconciliation, not another barrier to prevent reconciliation.

For the betterment of our country please do what is right for all Australians - make us proud.

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wendy fowler
August 12th, 2007

if this knee jerk quick fix to a long standing and cross cultural evil everywhere in Australia is rammed thru the Senate it really will be a day of shame for us all. The problems of sexual and child abuse, substance abuse and social exclusion because of failure to fit the acceptable (to the current federal government) social norms is a serious problem which requires real solutions. A few bucks ten minutes before a federal election after 229 years of ignoring those at the margins, regardless of their racial origins, is not a sustainable solution. If the legislative reform is such a good idea and so jolly important it will stand up to scrutiny.

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Kate Gillespie-Jones
August 12th, 2007

The haste with which these bills are being put through the Parliament is absolutely an abuse of process and totally disrepectful of the people who are the target of this legislation and the electorate generally. The Australian people are being treated with utter contempt by our politicians. As for the people and communities who will be affected by this legislation- at the very least they are owed the respect of prior consultation and opportunity for input into decisions that will govern and control their lives. They are to be subject to conditions not imposed upon other Australians. The Howard Government has been aware of the problems facing these communities for many years, not just in the lifetime of their government but have chosen to ignore all previous reports and calls for assistance. There are other agendas at stake here- the inclusion of land acquisition has nothing to do with the urgency of addressing child abuse. Ideology will prevail and once again, Australians will have failed Aboriginal Australia.

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Denise Tzumli
August 12th, 2007

I agree that problems of child abuse and domestic violence need to be addressed, but rushing through 500 pages of legislation is not the way to do it.
To me it appears that the legislation is very discriminatory applying as it does to one particular group of Australians. It is very dangerous legislation because in setting aside the right of Aborigines to the privacy of their homelands (the permit system) creates the first step to overriding that right for the rest of Australians.
Similarly with welfare payments dependent on particular behaviours. What is to stop this from being applied to all welfare recipients? Would that be accepted without significant debate? Why pick on the most vulnerable group in the nation?
I am reminded by such rushing through of legislation of
"the price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
I expect a careful Senate to be part of the vigilance not the rubber stamp of unbridled power.
D Chumley

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Julianne Bushby
August 12th, 2007

Whats on the land that the now govenment wants is the big question. Help by all means but it is not our right to just go in and take over, like the white man did when he first got here.

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deirdre tedmanson
August 12th, 2007

Land Rights Act changes detrimental and will not reduce child sex abuse. This legislation contravenes Race discrimiantion laws and is the MOST copntroversial and serious change to Indigenous Affairs policy in many many decades - if not ever. For there to be a paltry one-day Senate hearing, and merely two days of debate - without thorough consultaion with those Indigenous communities to be affected - for 500 pages of controversial legislation, that dramatically affect land tenure, health, welfare and the rights of Aboriginal communities in the NT is a disgrace. This legislation must not be passed in its current form. Problems of child abuse must be addressed but this hastily drafted and inadequate legislation is not the answer. As a citizen I demand workable solutions based on proper consultation, and vigourous debate after a period of informed discussion based on evidence and possible options presented to the communitiies and my fellow Indigenous citizens who will be affected by any such changes. I consider the current actions and proposed legislative change to be a violation of human rights. Please do NOT pass this legislation in its current form at this time. It is a matter to be considered fully with engagement of all stakeholders AFTER an election is called - with the various policy options presented to the Australian nation for consideration as they vote in what is meant to be a democracy! This is racism - do NOT do it!

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Joseph Brock
August 12th, 2007

I am deeply troubled by the new legislation being disscussed in the senate on monday next week. Particularly, the lack of communication to the Australian public about the details of this legislation and also the lack of proper consultation with the indiginous communitites it will directly affect.

I urge you to respect the rights of indiginous Australians on Monday and the integriy of their parlimentary chamber.

Abuse of children is a tragic crime but i put to you that the deprivation of basic civil liberties of our citenzs, regardless of the circumstance, will always cause more harm than good.

Every Australian should be treated with respect and have their basic rights protected under the law. The endemic occurence of any crime has never promted such wide sweeping legislative deprivation of rights in the past and it should be the case with our indiginous communitites. Please respect the freedom and opinions of our indigionous citizens and preserve the sanctity of our basic freedoms on which this country was founded.

Yours sincerly,

Joseph S. Brock.

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Marion KIng
August 12th, 2007

Consultation is always the most effective way of achieving goals. Why would John Howard think he knows what's best for aborigines when he won't even ask them what they want?

An ongoing committment to better education, housing, infrastructure and health is the least that all Australians should be able to hope for. Instead of addressing these endemic problems which frequently contribute to violence and social disorder, John Howard has decided to call the troups in and 'blame' Aborigines for the situation, rather than recognising that his lack of support has made him culpable and a strong contributor the these appaling conditions.

Wake up, Johnny and start accepting that you are part of this, and work with the Aborigines for a real not politically motivated solution!

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Fran Myers
August 12th, 2007

The complicated legislation regarding the rights and land ownership of Northern Territory Aboriginals cannot be properly assessed in one day. It needs to be discussed and have community input.

The legislation is a cynical attempt to take away rights gained by aboriginal Australians over many painful years.

The matter of child abuse is being used as an excuse to impose Howard's racist, right-wing, paternalistic attitudes and gain votes from equally red-necked voters. There has been no serious attempt to gain Aboriginal input into the law-making process - it is just being imposed "from above", which is typical of Howard's paternalism. Aboriginal Australians are EQUAL to all other Australians.

Child abuse needs to be dealt with throughout ALL parts of the community. Just because it is more easily hidden in Anglo Australia and too sensitive to tackle in ethnic communities does not mean the Aboriginal Australians should be so targeted.

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ron carr
August 12th, 2007

This primeminister has refused to say sorry for passed stolen generations but will this start another lost generation? I do believe that something does need to be done to protect the children and some of the women and perhaps some of the men but that cannot be done with such a short time to discuss fifty pages of legislation. The permits should be maintained. This is what happened when white ment first came to Australia.

The aborigines had a law that anyone traversing there land had to get permission but of course the white men did not know this nor perhaps did not care. As far as the aborigines knew they were been invaded and responded by trying to repel the invaders and because od the unequality of firepower were slautered. Under this legistation so I belieive they have been invaded again and this will be an ongoing practice of this Government.

I dont know what the solutin is but I know that it has a lot ot do with alcoholism. The problem probition along will not help much.Because strictly speaking alcohol is not the problem.Alcoholism is the probablem. Look what happened in America in the twenties and thirties. It cause havoc.Alcoholic will get alcohol one way or the other and it will be most likey metho or somethinglike that and the effects will be worse. I know that stopping drinking is only the beginning.

I am a recovering alcoholic myself and I stopped drinking and that is all I did for ten years and after that time I was sicker emotionally was when I stopped drinking. Drinking alcohol and the things I did in that state was only a systom of the underlying illness. Unfortunately the authorities, medical profession and others in authority do not understand alcoholism in 2007. It is such a disgrace that not enough research is done to find out what the underly problem.

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ron carr
August 12th, 2007

This primeminister has refused to say sorry for passed stolen generations but will this start another lost generation? I do believe that something does need to be done to protect the children and some of the women and perhaps some of the men but that cannot be done with such a short time to discuss fifty pages of legislation. The permits should be maintained. This is what happened when white ment first came to Australia.

The aborigines had a law that anyone traversing there land had to get permission but of course the white men did not know this nor perhaps did not care. As far as the aborigines knew they were been invaded and responded by trying to repel the invaders and because od the unequality of firepower were slautered. Under this legistation so I belieive they have been invaded again and this will be an ongoing practice of this Government.

I dont know what the solutin is but I know that it has a lot ot do with alcoholism. The problem probition along will not help much.Because strictly speaking alcohol is not the problem.Alcoholism is the probablem. Look what happened in America in the twenties and thirties. It cause havoc.Alcoholic will get alcohol one way or the other and it will be most likey metho or somethinglike that and the effects will be worse. I know that stopping drinking is only the beginning.

I am a recovering alcoholic myself and I stopped drinking and that is all I did for ten years and after that time I was sicker emotionally was when I stopped drinking. Drinking alcohol and the things I did in that state was only a systom of the underlying illness. Unfortunately the authorities, medical profession and others in authority do not understand alcoholism in 2007. It is such a disgrace that not enough research is done to find out what the underly problem.

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ron carr
August 12th, 2007

This primeminister has refused to say sorry for passed stolen generations but will this start another lost generation? I do believe that something does need to be done to protect the children and some of the women and perhaps some of the men but that cannot be done with such a short time to discuss fifty pages of legislation. The permits should be maintained. This is what happened when white ment first came to Australia.

The aborigines had a law that anyone traversing there land had to get permission but of course the white men did not know this nor perhaps did not care. As far as the aborigines knew they were been invaded and responded by trying to repel the invaders and because od the unequality of firepower were slautered. Under this legistation so I belieive they have been invaded again and this will be an ongoing practice of this Government.

I dont know what the solutin is but I know that it has a lot ot do with alcoholism. The problem probition along will not help much.Because strictly speaking alcohol is not the problem.Alcoholism is the probablem. Look what happened in America in the twenties and thirties. It cause havoc.Alcoholic will get alcohol one way or the other and it will be most likey metho or somethinglike that and the effects will be worse. I know that stopping drinking is only the beginning.

I am a recovering alcoholic myself and I stopped drinking and that is all I did for ten years and after that time I was sicker emotionally was when I stopped drinking. Drinking alcohol and the things I did in that state was only a systom of the underlying illness. Unfortunately the authorities, medical profession and others in authority do not understand alcoholism in 2007. It is such a disgrace that not enough research is done to find out what the underly problem.

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michael bailes
August 12th, 2007

This is not fair, reasonable, just, or even well thought out action.

Child abuse is also very common in the white community.Let me show you

You can't wave a magic wand ie THE ARMY!-now they are trained to handle complex social, political, family, and health problems aren't they?) and expect a result

If you had funded the Universities decently over the last 10 years and not given in to the medical "closed (union?) shop" situation; we might have enough trained people to deal with some of these problems?
And why the hysteria about STDs when you are not going to test for them?
Hypocracy and Humbug

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Mark Tregonning
August 12th, 2007

No consultation with indigenous leaders? Are you mad? Don't you think aboriginal people want to stop child abuse too? The australian indigenous culture is incredibly ancient and totally unique. Yes it deserves strong action in protecting it, but that means TIME and MONEY spent trying to understand the problem and making sure any action is appropriate, sensitive and well planned. So stop the government trying to use "shock and awe" tactics on our indigenous population!!! The Australian public won't stand for it!

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Adrian Harvey
August 12th, 2007

Nobody wants the abuse of children to continue, but this legislation and its blatant land grab seriously sets back the hard won gains of indigenous people of this country. The Senate mandate is based on serious review and debate to prevent the lower house overstepping the mark.....which they have clearly done in this case.....DO YOUR JOB SENATORS!

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John Pitt
August 12th, 2007

This latest move on the part of the Government has four aims:

1. Cater to the racist rednecks in our community

2. Wedge the Labor party

3. Get their own back for Mabo (can't have those blacks owning anything, can we?)

4. Vainly attempt to get Howard re-elected

Resist!

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Daniel Mathews
August 12th, 2007

After years of inaction towards problems in Aboriginal communities, the Howard government finally makes some response -- but only in the lead-up to an election, and only in the most authoritarian manner possible.

Whatever action is taken, it should be based on mutual respect, tolerance and democratic principle. It should be humane. It should build solutions. It should not be paternalistic; it should not be colonial; it should not be racist in content or form. It should aim at education, infrastructure and development, in consultation with and at the request of communities affected. There is no reason why it should involve the military: jackboots are no substitute for respect, aid and humanity on the ground.

Do no harm: don't do anything authoritarian, superficial, or short-term. Do something useful, do something long-term, do something which will aid Aboriginal communities and reconciliation in this country.

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Matthew Fowler
August 12th, 2007

Ngayulu kulini tjukutjuku (I know a little) [& am keen we share that social capital to increase common wealth ]. What are the barriers to learning more cultural awareness (including 5x introductory or hospitality words) to help empower ourselves and first Australians? [Language and culture are usually intrinsically linked]. I’m unsure of your personal view and what your thoughts may be on what could actually be done to empower people for child protection. [I thought the whole point of democracy was by and for the people.] Do please look at the Alice Springs Institute for Aboriginal Development website http://www.iad.edu.au which can help you help us.

Kind regards, Matthew Fowler BSc www.figtree-networx.com

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ken northwood
August 12th, 2007

YWhile no one denies that the aboriginal children need help and protection. This cynical pre election gimmick is deplored in the light of the previous 11 years of failure by the Howard government to seriously address this issue. I also deplore the piggy backed land grab by this, what I consider to be, the shabbiest and most dishonest government this country has had in my lifetime (Children overboard, Iraq,AWB, David Hicks, the politicisation of the Public Service and the Defence Force, the silencing of dissent,Dr. Haneef and now the Aboriginal people).
Previously have voted Liberal all my life but not this time!!.
The Howard government is now a disgrace.

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Graham Wilson
August 12th, 2007

Below is the message that I sent to the Senate.

Dear Senators,
Please remember that your duty is to your people and your Constitution. I believe that the legislation that is before you is nothing more than " a wolf in sheeps clothing ". The Howard Government is using the plight of Indigenous children as a way of returning the care and rights of Indigenous people to the shamefull years of the early 20th Century..and before. If this action is being offered as a solution than it is important that we spend time making sure that the solution will work. I do not believe that the Senate should be forced to come to such an important decision in just one day. I am counting on you to use your power responsibly.
Graham

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Maria Chalke
August 12th, 2007

Child abuse should never be acceptable in any community. However the racist and paternalistic legislation that is being brought before the senate without adequate ongoing consultation with Indigenous communities is appalling and must surely contravene Human rights legislation.

We must not be complicit in revisiting the stolen generation days, we must not support racism and racist policies. We must not support land grabs thinly disguised as benevolent gestures.

Australia has descended into a shameful place on the world stage. This is the opportunity to make your mark in political history by turning the tide.

Child abuse and child sexual abuse needs to be addressed right across all communities in Australia, the rights of the child to safety should be paramount. ONE LAW for all people.

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Jenny Sheard
August 12th, 2007

YourThe laws enabling the radical intervention of the Federal Government into the Northern Territory Indigenous communities are currently before the Parliament. Five hundred pages of legislation, a one-day Senate hearing, and only two days of debate for laws that dramatically affect land tenure, welfare and the rights of Aboriginal communities in the NT – and, above all, no consultation with Indigenous people.

The paternalistic approach to Indigenous affairs is one of the main reasons for continuing Indigenous disadvantage in Australia, and many hold fears this new Government paternalism will make things worse, not better.

GetUp travelled to Canberra and met with Indigenous leaders from Central Australia, who were in the capital to find someone to listen to their as yet unheard voices. The experience was an emotional one, but an uplifting one. Read their comments below on the changes that will affect their communities.
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david snook
August 12th, 2007

alist of all senators should be published and get up should ask people not to vote for them in the next election for senators

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Bette Block
August 12th, 2007



This legislation is breathtaking in its scandalous disregard for the rights of indiginous people and smacks of those actions taken by many dictators in world history. And after our indiginous population - who next will be the Government's target?

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Nancy Atkin
August 12th, 2007

(Sent to senators):
Put more government money into health, housing, educaiton and jobs, where it is needed. But don't take away control over community lands!
Alienation of Indigenous land, although favoured by our current government, has been one of the underlying causes of instability and resulting empoverishment, in our neighbouring countries - Fiji, New Caledonia, Bougainville and the Solomon Islands. just to name a few.
Let's not make this mistake here.

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Nancy Atkin
August 12th, 2007

(Sent to senators):
Put more government money into health, housing, educaiton and jobs, where it is needed. But don't take away control over community lands!
Alienation of Indigenous land, although favoured by our current government, has been one of the underlying causes of instability and resulting empoverishment, in our neighbouring countries - Fiji, New Caledonia, Bougainville and the Solomon Islands. just to name a few.
Let's not make this mistake here.

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N.Baruch Baruch
August 12th, 2007

Dear Members,

As a voting citizen of Australia, and a concerned human being, I am writing to voice my extreme dismay and disappointment in the manner with which the present government is chosing to deal with this appalling issue.

Whilst I am horrified by the level of child abuse within indigenous communities, and applaud the government's willingness (albeit incredibly tardy) to tackle the issue, I beg you, as members of the Senate, not to proceed with this hasty and ill-thought-out legislation. It is not based on any democratic process, has not consulted with the people whom it will affect, has not taken their views into consideration, and is not proceeding in a manner which is likely to benefit the people it seeks to protect. Hasn't the indegenous population of Australia received enough slipshod handling by a succession of governments? It's time to act appropriately. Consult with communities and the people who have been working with them for years dealing day to day with these issues, before drawing up a meaningful and long term plan which will actually work, not further disempower Aboriginal citizens. Do not rubber stamp this legislation! It is a cynical ploy on the part of the present Prime Minister to "be seen to be taking a tough stance" on a situation which has existed for years, with their knowledge. Neiither I, nor other members of the voting public are fooled by this, and I demand that the Senate does not support it.

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Jennie Kyles
August 12th, 2007

Your commentAs I understand it, this legislation is a knee-jerk response/ a band aid on a far deeper wound in our society. I agree it is time we all took our heads out of the sand and took responsibility for our ignorance and apathy, but I believe this legislation must not be passed in its current form. Problems of child abuse must be addressed but this hastily drafted and inadequate legislation is not the answer. Our indigenous people have expressed their concerns, and we should listen. Who better than they to have input into the form that this action should take?
We need workable solutions based on proper consultation, and vigourous debate and rigourous scrutiny of the laws that do so.
This symptom of abuse is a product of centuries of mismanagement, and it will take time to find a path of reconciliation. Let us treat this, as all things, with the seriousness and dedication it deserves, for our own future and that of our children.

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Helen Hutchinson
August 12th, 2007

I am heartened by the vast majority of the comments of the people represented in this forum. Ashamed, embarrassed,horrified and rightly angered by the actions of this racist and desperate government, the comments reflect the way in which all Australians have been disempowered by Liberal and Labor party politicians alike. The overwhelming view that consultation, and working side by side with Australians to solve problems, is the only meaningful way to act has been sidelined in favour of a militaristic, top down approach. We need to restore a sense of justice and fairness in this particular issue, and restore confidence in a political system which represents us all, not only vested interests.

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Narelle Jarvis
August 12th, 2007

The handling of indigenous people reeks of racism. Proper consultation with aboriginal elders should be mandatory. The white community, some of whom are just as guilty of horrendous crimes against children, are not treated in the same way, nor would the the majority of the population allow the manner in which Howard is handling it. Racist policies are intolerable.

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Helen Lockton
August 12th, 2007

Everyone agrees that children need to be protected but the government has gone about this in the wrong way. Listen to the concerns of the Aboriginal people Mr Howard and allow a proper debate in the Senate.

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Suzanne Stallard
August 12th, 2007

It is beyond embarrassing that it is necessary to have to remind you of your duty to properly represent the Australian people in our due dillegence to our indigenous people and the proper care that they deserve. It is not as if there is not enough evidence world wide regarding the responsibility and care required to help indigenous people anywhere. It is not as if we do not have the financilal resouces,intellegence and ability.
I have friends working now to raise funds in non-profits to take some responsible action to address the problem in an intellegent way, in the way that you know it should be addressed, and yet fail again and again to do. There is no excuse. When will politicians realize that honesty and deepest integrity is the best policy.

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Cora van Zijl
August 12th, 2007

The issue is too big and complicated for me to be able to give a valid comment. However, what I can comment on is this: the undue haste with which John Howard is about to steamroll these laws through both Houses of Parliament. In the unfortunate situation of both Houses belonging to the Liberals, there is a grave danger that laws will be passed without proper consultation with the Aboriginal Elders. This is unjust - the government must not be allowed to treat the indigenous people as if they have no rights. Child abuse is an urgent matter; all the other issues have been waiting for 11 years - there is NO reason for dealing with them in 2 days, just because an election is looming.

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August 12th, 2007

Consult the people you are trying to pen in.

Aboriginal people are not the animals you once labelled them to be under the Flora and Fauna Act.

A reminder that this is the 40th year of celebration of the 1967 referendum where you finally acknowledged their existence as people and citizens of this country.

You cannot attempt to multitask by introducing one set of permit stripping income changing legislation to also cover health issues bound by welfare.

As a former NT resident I am tired of of both Territory and Federal government neglecting to speak with residents and elders from the communities affected - there are many instances where indigenous parliamentary advisory commities are made up of those NOT from the community they are coming from! Different communites face varying issues and require unique local understanding.

Don't treat people like prisoners in the country that was theirs before it was all of ours. It is the height of barbarity and direspect. You are elected to represent the people. So start talking to them!

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Shirley Westaway
August 12th, 2007

Please ensure these native Australians receive a fair go.
One blanket decision from a blinkered government will not solve any problems but will create more within those communities who are already contributing to their communities and living in harmony with their neighbours, raising happy, healthy children who look forward to continuing their education.
Communities where alcoholic liquor is already strictly and successfully controlled are worried at the prospect that they will be compelled to apply new rules which will undo their present system.

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Carmel Haynes
August 12th, 2007

It is with urgency that I request you strongly oppose the bills that have been developed to purportedly address the issue of child abuse in the indigenous communities. In the name of child protection, the Australian Governmnet is at risk of affirmatively taking away the capacity of the indigenous and other Australian people to participate together in solving long term and ingrained social issues amongst aboriginal and other disenfranchised citizens.
Child protection is critical and requires critical intervention action; the source of the problem is critical and requires collaborative thoughtful development of models of both intervention and development. One action without the other will not succeed in achieving a healthy future for our indigenous and broader community - and it puts us shamefully at risk of emulating an apartheid system. I don't want to be party to such system.

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Rachel Sanderson
August 12th, 2007

Message to the Senate:

I took the opportunity to attend the one day senate inquiry into the NT Emergency Intervention legislation on Friday 10 August. I appreciated the efforts of some of the senators to gain as much understanding of the legislation and its potential impact as they could in the limited time available - they hadn't yet had time to read the whole of the bill or to digest the many submissions that had been made. I appreciated hearing the voices of all those people who gave evidence to the inquiry, under such unfavourable and disrespectful circumstances.
This is a long, complex and very significant piece of legislation which will have a real and ongoing impact on the lives of people in remote indigenous communities. I urge all Senators to take the time to analyse it in all its detail, and to consider very carefully suggested amendments to the bill, particularly with relation to its impact on the permit system, CDP payments and compulsory aquisition of lands, and the application of the Racial Discrimination Act.
Don't vote for something you don't understand.
Don't vote for something you don't believe in.
It seems likely however that this bill will be passed by the Senate early next week, probably without amendments. As Australians, indigenous and non-indigenous, I believe we are all diminished by this. As one of the Land Council delgates said - "it seems that Parliament doesn't vote for legislation any more, it votes for press releases."
That is far from being a democratic process - it is irresponsible, short sighted and dangerous.
While the problem of child abuse is very serious and requires urgent action, no progress will be made without ongoing, sustained and genuine consultation with indigenous leaders and indigenous communities, and that consultation has so far not taken place.

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Geraldine Stevens
August 12th, 2007

Many years working in community development and welfare has taught me that the abuse of children is a complex issue occuring across all sections of our society. Statistics on sexual abuse of children across all sections of our society are alarming (1 in 4 girls, 1 in 5 boys by age 18), suggesting that sexual abuse of children is endemic to our society as a whole.

Is it proposed that the same tactics currently endorsed by the Howard government in the bill presently before parliament be used for the rest of Australia? If not why not? What is the rationale for what otherwise can only be construed as an act of extreme racial discrimintation?

Certainly, in addtion to broad general principles we must also tailor our response to the specifics of a given situation. Yes, it is important to look at what is happening in the communities of central Australia and negotiate an appropriate, multi-faceted response with short and long-term goals that must be embraced by communities if it is to work.

Research shows that puntive measures never work, but if anything make things worse. How does removing land tenure or penalising whole communities by removing payments make lives better and people less likely to resort to abuse? History suggests this will further add to stresses and increase the likeliehood of abuse escalating. Dont' do it!

What does work and until recently has been widely endorsed by Governments is a whole-communities approach to child protection. What happened to that approach? Why have none of the initiatives proposed by the communities themselves been taken up?

If we are serious about addressing child abuse in Austrlia we must reject this bill outright in favour of proper and well-considered debate, based on full community consultation, and educated and informed decision-making. How well educated and informed can our parliamentarians be if they have so short a time to read and consider such a large report on so complex and emotive an issue in just one day.

This does not mean that decisive action and intervention can not take place. It can and it should. Communities are asking for this. But it must be on negotiated and not imposed paternalistice (lets return to the 1900s) terms.

We should never, in the name of protecting children, bundle in a plethora of other conditions affecting land tenure and family payments, such that their immediate welfare and future security is denied them.

Stop this legislation and demand full consultation, full debate and careful consideration. Anything less is unaustrlian.

Geraldine Stevens Perth WA

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Acacia Rose
August 12th, 2007

I am concerned about the dignity, the rights and future of all of our Indigenous people. As soon as the Government announced the removal of the permit system and the five year 'lease' of Indigenous lands the warning lights went on for me. I feel this is about securing uranium mining and potential uranium waste on Aboriginal peoples' land and that Howard wants to achieve this objective prior to APEC. Bush has signed a nuclear power deal with India and Howard wants our uranium deposits to go to India. Child sexual abuse is a problem for all people of all nations and not just Australian Aboriginal people. The later announcement of the Howard candidate for the seat of Gilmore targetting the Wreck Bay community was the second signal of a potential plan to site a nuclear power plant at Jervis Bay. It is time for all Australians to say 'enough' to undemocratic behaviour and demand full consultation over pending laws, particularly, the rights and land rights of Australian Indigenous people.

We must and will address the problem of child sexual abuse nevertheless - a criminal offence anywhere in the world no matter cultural norms.

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Rose McMillan
August 12th, 2007

Your comment It's time the powers that be in this country recognised the worth of our Aboriginal people and supported them in more meaningful and consensus ways than just providing easy money. Look at the world of today. Why would an inherently gentle ancient earth loving race want to be like the white man. John Howard does not want to understand the ideas of multifaceted support, encouragement, especially to the women,the movers and visionaries to develop their own communities now and for the future. His sudden jack booted actions, highly media visible, are to the ordinary observer, motivated by his political agenda to be re-elected to government and not be any real concern for the Aboriginal people of our land. Methinks he protests too loudly.

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Laurie Virr
August 12th, 2007

The Australian Senate was established as a house of review. How is it possible to review more than 500 pages of legislation in the time allocated? It is important to see this legislation, not as the Prime Minister would have it, but as a cynical strategy devised by a beleaguered and desperate man to salvage his position.

Child abuse is a problem in Australia, but is certainly not exclusive to Aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory. The shallowness and self-serving nature of this attack upon some of the most disadvantaged in the Australian community is apparent to many people. Does the Prime Minister know that child abuse is more prevalent in the communities he has targetted, than it is in the wider Australian societu, or for that matter, in Aboriginal communities outside the Territory? Rather, it would appear, that the Northern Territory was chosen for this episode because the Commonwealth has ultimate jurisdiction over it.

This legislation is so egregious that, given a change of government, it will most certainly be amended. Why must the Australian electorate wait for what appears to be this much anticipated event? Please demand that adequate time be allocated to the review of this legislation.

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Peter Nugus
August 12th, 2007

No justification has been provided for linking prevention of child abuse with land title / ownership. The aboriginal community ought not to trust the motivations of a Prime Minister who derisively calls consideration of the relationship between facts of very recent history and current social dislocation of indigenous Australians a 'black armband' view of history. This is an national disgrace. I hope members of both houses realise that they will have to justify their decision to their children and your grandchildren. And mine will also ask me what I've done.

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Belinda Pearson
August 12th, 2007

The deepening trauma in aboriginal communities can only be turned around by consultation with community members and support of the small successful collaborations throughout the country. Please read

www.antar.org.au/success

I believe you will applaud with me the dedicated work of many people over the years.

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Mary Wooderson
August 12th, 2007

I cried when I saw what had been decided by the Federal Govt to stop Sexual abuse amongst children in indigenous Societies.I remember working for the Department of Community Services in outback NSW several years ago and how a group of women begged the dept to take their children to stop the abuse.Nothing was done.I remember listening to a keeper of the wiradjuri people who told of those children from the stolen generation who had been taught by their so called saviours that that was what adults did to children.It was their right as adults to sexual molest them and as these were the people who were in loco parentis is it surprising that they carried on a practice that had been taught to them by the missionaries and surrogate fathers in whose care they were placed.It is not a stick you need to cure the ills.It is self respect gained through meaningful employment and acknowledgement of their importance as the original people of our nation.This is genocide,You as a Government have made several attempts to annihilate these once great nations and as God is my judge,each and every person who affixes their name to this shocking attempt to destroy these peoples once again,will truly answer to our Maker some day.

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Angie Macmillan
August 12th, 2007

As a child in the 60's I can remember feeling confused and very saddened by the plight of aboriginal people. It seems for as long as I can remember these fellow human beings, the Native Australian's and their beautiful culture have been abused in every way possible by white man's greed and way of life. Nothing has changed, our government is still as arrogant, greedy and racist now as it was then and there have been countless opportunities for something to have been done in terms of improving the lives for aboriginal children and their families. Mr. Howard must think we are really gullible to believe that he now cares about human rights in the NT. We know the issue is really about easy access to the land he so desperately wants to rape for its mineral wealth.

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DENI LANGMAN
August 12th, 2007

It is very clear that the Howard Government doesn't want any scrutiny of these unconstitutional laws he is rushing through Parliament.
I think the reason is because they haven't got anything to do with child abuse in the Communities in the Northern Territory, But MR. Howard's political debt to the Mining Companies and to the Industrialists and they want payment before the comming Federal Election.
We already know that the legislation is NOT designed to protect the children, which is the sole reason for this racist invasion of our Communities, some that have been under scrutiny for over a year now and they found nothing wrong.
Elders have never forbidden authorities to enter Country to give help and advise, so why make out that it is forbidden now?
This whole invasion is a "set-up", designed by Mr. Howard and Mr. Brough, so as to allow the mining companies and Idustrialists to simply walk in and claim our Land without
any objection. Using the children as an excuse to declare a State of Emergency. If there is a state of emergency why hasn't the local councils in Darwin and Alice Springs called the State of Emergency and why are they not included in the forming of the legislation and why did Howard inform the Chief Minister of NT, in private what he intends to do and why has she kept quiet about his intensions?
Mr. Howard is up to no good!!!!
To inflict such cruelty on the Aboriginal Communities in the NT is SADISTIC, RACIST and FASCIST.
The Elders are not against doing something to stop child abuse or, domestic abuse and they have asked for over 10 years for the Government's help to stop these abuses, but the Government (Liberal Government) saw it correct NOT to answer the pleas for help. This means that it wasn't the Elders who brought the situation to where it is today, it was Howard's and Brough's continually ignoring the pleas from the Elders. Simply: "a set up", so as to justify a claim of "State of Emergency". A dirty, cunning political ploy by Howard and Brough, using the Aboriginal children as proof of the state of emergency. Mr. Howard and Brough made the victims of abuse suffer for more than 10 years while they planned their dirty political games. DISGUSTING AND INHUMANE. Mr. Howard and Brough should be fired immediately and I sent an open letter to the Governor General Maj Gen. Michael Jeffery asking him to do just that.
The legislation as stands is illegal and unconstitutional and Howard is a shameful Prime Minister for treating Australia's citizens this way. Mr. Howard should not be Australia's Prime Minister and Mr. Brough is a disgrace as Aboriginal Affairs Minister. THEY MUST GO NOW!!!!
DENI.

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Daphne Pyke
August 12th, 2007

The work towards Reconciliation over the last decade has been set back under this heavy-handed approach to the problem of child abuse. You should not stereotype the Aboriginal people in this derogatory way. They have a culture to be proud of, and child abuse is not part of it. Please consult with the people concerned and stop riding roughshod over them.

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Helen Carmichael
August 12th, 2007

Dear Senators,

I am very concerned about the current proposed legislation regarding Australian Indigenous people and child abuse.

Whilst I applaud any well-considered measures regarding the prevention of child abuse, what I know of the proposed legislation via what I have heard John Howard proposing, it seems to me that this is ill-considered and patronising - as if after years of progress towards reconciling the damage the white community has done to Indigenous Australians, suddenly we find ourselves back in the days when Government decided it was best for children with Indigenous blood to be separated from their Indigenous parents. It seems to me:

1. There has not been enough consultation with Indigenous leaders regarding this issue.

2. One day in the Senate to discuss this issue is not nearly enough.

3. This proposed legislation is discriminattory. There is a huge amount of child abuse in white communities as well as Indigenous communities. Why one law for Indigenous peoples and another for other Australians? Are we heading towards an Australian Apartheid?

In the last few years under the current government I have, for the first time in my life, become embarrassed to call myself an Australian. Please don't add another reason for shame to a growing list of reasons: please consider seriously the effects of this proposed legislation not just on the Indigenous communities but also on Australia as a whole.

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Riki trewenack
August 12th, 2007

The spirit of this country is so strong and essentially different from other countries. That is because the custodians of this amazing land have 'felt' it and looked after it. This is a debate about child abuse and a permit system and yet for me it is also about continuity for the custodians of this land; their right, their responsibility and their need to engender this land. Without custodians the soul is removed and everything is lost without that. Why do the indigenous Australians always have to fight so strongly for their rights? Is it because of the fear of what we do not comprehend and many of the indigenous Australians do? I think shame Howard shame that you continually go against your so-called Christian ethics. What would Jesus have done in your place - certainly thrown the money-handlers out of the temple which is the heart of Australia. If this makes no sense to some people I'm sorry - but just feel into your heart.

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Joy Hockings
August 12th, 2007

it appears that the aboriginal community need help to resolve the issues currently being addressed. They do not need white people enforcing their own ideas/rules to solve these problems.
There is no quick fix solution. Much more time and consultation with the aboriginal elders is vital so we get this right

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Gordon McInnes
August 12th, 2007

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John Howard for dictator!! If he rides rough shod over over the people on this issue, and is elected, how long before parliament is indefinitely prologued? He is already dictating to aboriginal people by not considering their rights, rights which the non-indigenous members of the community (still) possess.

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Karyn Fearnside
August 12th, 2007

If you want working legislation, it must be done with proper consultation! How would you like it if you were not asked about something that affects you? Now is the time to respond in favour of the Indigenous people of Australia and get something that everyone will be proud to support up and running. We want proper debates, proper consultation and we want it NOW.

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Scott Watson
August 12th, 2007

Dear Senators,

I feel deeply uneasy that you are voting on a 500 page bill with pretty much no analysis or debate and that appears to reach far further than dealing with problem at hand.

By all means take immediate steps to improve child health and welfare - it is long overdue. But don't launch into adopting an unconsidered and suspect piece of legislation that threatens to diminish the already precarious prospects of indigenous people. And don't ignore the recommendations and advice of those who have done the in-depth research into the problem.

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John Ingram
August 12th, 2007

I write as a senior educator with more than 30 years experience in Indigenous communities and ten years' experience in developing countries. The Federal government's current action in Indigenous communities is disreputable and bound to cause more harm than good in the long term. There is no doubt that urgent action is needed in empowering Indigenous people and in rectifying a situation of national disgrace in child welfare, education, and health. But this cynical action by Howard's government is political opportunism of the worst kind by a government that has done more harm to Indigenous people, especially in increasing poverty and powerlessness, than any other Australian government in the last forty years. The legislation does little to address the issues raised in the Anderson-Wild report and does a great deal in enhancing the hopelessness and alienation of Indigenous people. The money that Howard is promising to put into Indigenous development is a small fraction of what he has ripped out of Indigenous affairs and Indigenous education and health since he came to power in Canberra.The arrogance, insensitivity,and ignorance of Howard and Brough should not be supported by the ALP or other members of the Senate and House of Reps.

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Victoria Osborne
August 12th, 2007

Would it help to have Aboriginal seats in parliament similar to the Maori seats in NZ? I think there are still four: North, West, East and South.



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William Back
August 12th, 2007

We are all aware that the needs of indigenous Australians have been ignored for far too long. This current Liberal fix is a blatant and unconvincing political stunt which the Opposition may use as an excuse to further ignore the real issue - Genuine support for all Australians who need it. No more stunts.

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Robyn Borg
August 12th, 2007

Imperialism has never been in the interests of indigenous people regardless of the issue. It is a matter of historical fact that the perpetrators of "The Stolen Generation" believed (or convinced themselves) that their actions were in the best interests of the children they stole..... we know what a travesty that policy inflicted on many hundreds of aboriginal children. This piece of legislation shows just how little 'benevolent white' Australian bureaucrats have learned since those dark days of Australian history (the practice only ceased less than 40 years ago). Show the aboriginal population that 'white' Australia really does respect their rights as human citizens of the world. By all means help their communities deal with this heart-wrenching problem, (similarly address the same issue in the rest of Australia) but do not expect them to buy our assistance with 40 pieces of silver in the form of land-rights for future generations. Reject this legislation!

I have always believed that deep down John Howard was a good, if mis-guided, man. This issue has changed my mind, he is a opportunistic racist who will exploit any situation if doing so is to his advantage. Shame... shame ... shame to any senator who backs this utterly racist and short-sighted piece of legistation.

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Lindy Cameron
August 12th, 2007

The following was published in The Sunday Age - today - August 12 2007 - on page 14 in the column called 'Perspective' as an attack on Kevin Rudd. The author was having a go at something Rudd MIGHT do - not something he has or has even said he will.

The words, however, apply far more pointedly, relevently and accurately to the Howard Government's "emergency plan" for the NT.

Quote...

"When a government says it can do a job better than parents or families, it not only takes responsibility away from the individual, but also stifles ingenuity, crushes common sense and more often than not has the opposite, unintended effect.
"Government can and should provide the conditions and assistance to make it easier for individuals to live their own lives - but this doesn't mean it holds the solution to every problem or difficulty. Families and communities will always have a greater capacity to affect their own future than any govertment alone.
"[Rudd] should remember that we created our governments to help us live our lives, not so we could abdicate our lives and respsonibilities to government."

Written by Tony Smith - Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister and the federal meber for Casey.

Say no more...

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Deidree McMaster
August 12th, 2007

Please rethink the plan for intervention into aboriginal communities. Sure they need help - they've been asking for more funding for basic infrastructure for years, but to send in armed police without community consultation and no coherent followup plan is just compounding the effects of past trauma.

Put yourself in their shoes, and imagine how it must feel. Many of them have old people who remember being shot at and many women still have vivid memories of the police coming to take their children.

There is no point taking this giasnt step forward if it merely crushes those it's supposed to be helping.

More money for housing, reform ATSIC with realistic guidelines, and get aboriginal people working to maintain their culture and become ambassadors and diplomats for their people - tourists are increasingly wanting to see authentic experiences of tribal life.

Be very careful of kneejerk responses which can do far more harm than good.

And yes, I've been to the N.T. and have met tribal aborigines at Roper Valley Station. Went to school with aboriginal children in Balranald NSW and have some idea of what they've had to put up with - marginalised and humiliated in their own country.

Deidree McMaster

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Chris White
August 12th, 2007

Senators could vote for amendments that defeats or at least slows down Brough's extreme 'colonial-type' racist repression against NT Aboriginal peoples.

They could Insert processes that show in a Parliamentary democracy the people most affected, the aborigines, have to be fully consulted and have a say in the many complex provisions.

Brough's radical-right law fails the democratic legitimacy principle.

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Elizabeth Kreuzer
August 12th, 2007

You people have been through so much already and to have this happening in your community and handled so badly by the government makes me ashamed and angry. I cry tears of hope for all of us and maybe one day more people with vision will head governments and all indigenous people of the world will be treated with the respect that they so dearly deserve.

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Robbie O'Brien
August 12th, 2007

Dear Senators,

As you vote on these laws please remember that you are employed as the voice of the people. You are employed to express the wishes of the Australian people in law. While no Australian could avoid being appalled by stories of abuse of children I don't think that any informed, concerned citizen (and I believe, and sincerely hope, you are all in that category) can believe that this legislation is really about the welfare of young people.

For 10 years this government has ignored the appalling suffering of our indigenous people and ignored countless reports very much like the one that has now created so much drama. However, when Howard finally decided to act he did not choose the most pressing issues, the most demanding issues, the most important issues. He did not decide to tackle the internationally embarrassing 3rd world health conditions or the cultural disenfranchisement that is actually the root of so many of Indigenous Australia's problems. Instead he has chosen the most emotive, most sellable, most scandalous issue. It seems he cares more about A Current Affair than about Aboriginal people. And then we find out that in order to tackle child abuse it is vital to trample on people's rights and take their land.

This legislation is an insult to the Indigenous population and to all Australian's who are genuinely concerned for all our fellow countrymen's wellbeing, especially our children. Please REJECT THIS LEGISLATION and demand some responsible law making that is respectful, appropriate and above all has some chance of having a positive effect on the health and welfare of our Indigenous Australian's.

Sincerely,

Robert O'Brien

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Sarah Spurr
August 12th, 2007

In the top end of South Australia we are seeing and hearing about stories and impacts of the governments emergency plan. Community members are concerned about what is going on in their families communities and how it is going to effect them.
Laws are there to protect the rights of each individual in Australia. If these laws are going to change without the majority consent of the group of individuals affected by such changes then we as a nation need to question the honesty and agendas of those in power making decisions for our minority groups.
Information and language are the keys to power - what information is currently being given to Indigenous groups in central australia? Wnich language is this information being submitted in - remembering that there is a large contingent of First Indigneous language speakers here....
The speed at which these laws are being pushed through government should be a major concern to all Australians.

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ian daniel
August 12th, 2007

Another abuse of power over the powerless and disenfranchised of this country. There is no longer any respect I have for this supposed house of review. This is not governance by enlightened caring people, it is party politics in an election year gone mad in the final grab for traditional aboriginal lands in a part of the country where the first stand was made against what we now know as globalism in it worst form.
You who have no conscience have signed off on one of the greatest living assets for all humanity, the longest living cultures the planet has ever known, the first and last of the fire creatures. I am totally disgusted so few of you had the courage to stand up and take their part. I've listened to what the writers of the report have said and you all stand collectively condemned by your party politics you gutless mob of hypocrites.
Not only do you steal the land, you take away traditional rights to determine how the land is accessed by withdrawing the permit system. You have opened the flood gates to the ignorant and uninformed who now will do their thing.
Having worked in Education in the Tanami desert, Alice Springs and Cape York and lived in remote communities, I can see it all now, the final confrontation as the story places finally submit to language of the invaders in their unchallenged cavorting through the sacred totems where skin will never be mentioned.
As a seventh generation Australian, born in Cooktown and now just retired, it saddens me greatly to see this country sink into the mire of lies and deception of the body politic as it has over the last decade.
My heart bleeds for aboriginal australia. The majority of Australians have little or no conception of the potential held within aboriginal culture as a guide for the rest of humanity in understanding who they really are.
Western culture it has no dreaming, so much power, with so little understanding of how to use it. It is lost in a deception and fear of it's own making, knowing it's present form has little time left, all it's energy put into destroying what it creates, as the influence takes all with it.
It is not a happy camper..... don't submit

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David Reid
August 12th, 2007

Is this takeover of the aboriginal communities and land a hidden agenda for Howard to have a place to bury his radiated products from his Uranium enrichment.
If he owns the land he can do what HE likes!

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Ken Coghill
August 12th, 2007

Dear Senator,

You have a moral responsibility and fiduciary duty to make a considered judgement of the bills introduced by the Government pursuant to its intervention into Aboriginal communities with the stated objective of addressing child abuse. You cannot abdicate that responsibility (except by resignation!).

You (with your colleagues) have the authority to defer passage of the legislation until you have satisfied yourself as the merits and effectiveness of each bill in achieving its policy objectives.

Among the issues is the expropriation of control over lands which have been occupied by their aboriginal owners from time immemorial. The owners should be asked to approve any such expropriation (for whatever period)through referenda. The Prime Minister has provided a precedent with his offer to fund referenda on the much lesser issue of local government boundaries in Queensland.

Senators should each advise what action s/he has taken in relation to examining this legislation and assuring her/himself as to the adequacy of consultation on the merits of its provisions, including the justice of those clauses affecting the rights of Aboriginal Australians over their own lives and property.

Best wishes

Ken Coghill
(former Cabinet Secretary with responsiblity for Aborigianl Affairs, Victoria, 1982-85)

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steve robinson
August 12th, 2007

As a psychiatrist working at an indigenous community controlled health centre in NSW I have found 75% of the women who see me have suffered prolonged abuse. The abuse problem may be a little worse in northern australia but essentially is nationwide and symptomatic of the housing, educational, employment and historical problems which are not going to be solved by teams of GPs screening children in NT. An apology would of course be an excellent start to any dialogue as would taking close note of the Children are Sacred report

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Warwick Hunt
August 12th, 2007

Should this Senate fail to protect Indigenous Rights, which directly affect all of Australians rights, Senators voting in support will be rightly condemned to the dustbin of history, and I will, like so many other Australians, be ashamed of my nationality, as I have been angrily forced to admit on a number of occasions by this anti human Government.

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Lynne Collins
August 12th, 2007

Clearly any major changes to any community should be undertaken in consultation with that community. Seeing a significant problem from outside does not mean you know how to fix it. Please do not put into force these new, apparently draconian laws without the input of the communities.

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Anna Sewards
August 12th, 2007

I am suspicious of the Governments decision to remove the aboriginal permit system. I think the Government have ulterior motives.

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Jazz P
August 12th, 2007

I respect your position to make a well thought and good decision to benefit the people of Australia.
The motives behind this legislation sound good, so yes, something must be done about the abuse (although not exclusively for aboriginal communities. These problems are unfortunately found all over Australia.)

However I think such decisions on-the-fly about diverse complex communities without consultation of the people who live there cannot be expected to effectively make a good (and lasting) difference. Little attempt has been made to draw on the experience of some of the effective programs in Queensland and Western Australia. Little attempt has been made to consult with some of the Aboriginal representatives who would probably care about their communities more than we do, and would certainly understand them better. No wonder they are scared that the government is just trying to take its land.
I believe you should reject this legislation so some better thought out legislation can be considered, where the Aborigines whose lives will be deeply affected can be involved and their knowledge used.

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John Browning
August 12th, 2007

Unfortunately, this appears to be another (and potentially the most serious) example of the government thrashing around in desperation to find a prescription to regain popularity. The Haneef fiasco showed blantant disregard for our legal system. The Mersey Hospital and Queensland local government reorganisation moves are desperate attempts that subvert the legitimate rights of state governments in a Federal system. The intervention into indigenous communities in the Northern Territory is a disgrace because it does not reflect the recommendations of the child safety report it purports to be acting upon, and is marked by a total absence of consultation, or even explanation, with those most affected. At least Howard fronted the gun owners before he took their semi-automatic rifles off them.
So much for "small government", respect for our constitution and institutions, and a commitment to democratic values and equity in our society.
The protection of indigenous children is being cynically exploited as an election year ploy. Mr "small target" Rudd is so terrified of the "wedge" that he has abandoned all claim to standing up for what is right, showing scant regard for the common decency of the Australian people and their ability to see that this government is morally bankrupt.
If I was a Liberal, I'd be very worried. Howard is doing the party damage that it will take a generation to recover from.

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Eric J Scroop
August 12th, 2007

I look forward to this forthcoming election so that some integrity may be restored to the Australian Government,that the ministers compromised on their USA junkets ,or similar,are removed from power or exposed.That the greed driven grab for what belongs to Australian Citizens is squashed ,nailed,stopped dead!If the honourable senators are equivocating about their decision to seize {AGAIN!}Aboroginal Land ,then I request they read the definition of treason .Further,if any Australian Citizens are harmed in a "Terrorist Attack" in Australia , prior to the elections,then the Port Arthur assasinations should have the investigation reopened and all evidence presented.Martin Bryant had no specialist military training,the person shooting in the cafe did! With regard to the first Bali bombing and the loss of Australian lives ,results of the Indonesian and AFP investigations should be released to all.
As for the grab for water and the privatisation of it! Australians have had enough!And as for starving the funds from Aboriginal communities, blaming them in total for their predicament providing vindication of land grab.It's not on!!! I look forward to this election.

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Ross Jilley
August 12th, 2007

I don't like the proposed legistration regarding aboriginal welfare it seems to me that it is thin end of the wedge coming in through the backdoor as a means to grab many of their rights and in particular their lands.
The time allocated for discussion and examination of the document is disgracefull.
The government should be ashamed of its action, it could have been handled in a much better manner.

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Cheryl A Pullen
August 12th, 2007

Please desist from invading Aboriginal communities. It's a shocking thing to them and to me. No consultation with them. I can't believe this country, this government passing such aggressive legislation. What is going on? and Why? It's been decades of lurching from one horror to the next - and the dear Aboriginal folks put up with it. How shocking of you all!

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Graham Douglas
August 12th, 2007

I am disgusted by the dictatorial style of governance we now have in Australia. Accordingly, I add my voice to that of the concerned citizens' who now demand workable solutions to the matters of land tenure, health, welfare and the rights of Aboriginal communities in the NT. Above all, I ask that these solutions be found after real consultation with the Indigenous people affected, vigorous debate and rigorous scrutiny of the laws that apply.

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Rory (roderic) O'SULLIVAN
August 12th, 2007


Dear Senators

Above all I Value living in a true democracy. Ramming legislation through a Government that is controlled by one party on the basis of a one day review of 500 pages of legislation simply shows contempt for the ideals of democracy.

the Coalition Govt ids now suffering in the polls in part because enough people are aware of the selective use and misuse of democratic processes.

the current Legislation being rammed through stands in stark contrast to the PM's intervention in the QLD local Govt rationalisation. An even more egregious example of selective use of not listening to the people is that of sending the country to a disastrous war in Iraq against the acknowledged wishes of the majority of the population.

Please remember that you have a responsibility larger than the narrow party political interests of your party.

This issue and the legislation deserves a genuine and authentic review. Anything less will be remembered in history as a ruthless and cynical use of the most vulnerable Australians for political and electoral gain.

What do you stand for?

Thank you for considering this letter.

Rory O'Sullivan

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Ann Britton
August 12th, 2007

It seems to me that child abuse & domestic violence are issues in every community in Australia... including those lived in by our "representatives". Yet "we" choose now to respond with very aggressive tactics in isolated communities, who have not been consulted or involved in the decision making process. Perhaps "we" should be acting similarly in EVERY area where child abuse/domestic violence/alcohol abuse is endemic in Australia? "We" could start with Canberra.. a well-documented hot-bed of such social unpleasantries over many decades now...

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Linese Norrish
August 12th, 2007

Ignoring the input of the indigenous people, plotting to revoke their permit system - one more reason (there's a long list) for me not to vote for this government come next election. Sadly, I don't think Kevin Rudd is any more in tune with these and other issues that trouble many of us. And, after all, his party recently revoked their "no new uranium mines" policy so we can hardly expect Labor to be any less exploitative of indigenous lands than we suspect the Libs intentions to be. As someone on the radio recently said, it doesn't matter what brand of government is in power - because our fearless leaders are controlled by big business/corporate interests. So much for democracy and the rights of both white and black in this country.

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Aida Hulse
August 12th, 2007

Hastily drafted legislation, with no input or consultation by those whom it affects, just so that it can be hurriedly passed through the senate is no answer to problems, which will be created by this loosley drawn up legislation. We demand that this legislation be NOT PASSED in its current form. As such, we demand workable solutions
based on proper consultations and vigorous debate and rigorous scrutiny of the laws that do so.

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August 12th, 2007

The Senate has a critical role in Australian democracy. Use your powers wisely. Listen to what people are saying. Regardless of who’s in power, your job as a Senate is to keep an eye on the Government, consider all new legislation, investigate abuses of power and promote cross-party debate and cooperation.
Ask yourselves, will I be accountable to the Australian people on this piece of legislation affecting the indigenous people of the Northern Territory.
There's been virtually no consultation, there's just one day to debate the legislation, the timing of the this law is very suspect; why introduce it now? What are the implications of introducing it now? What will be the consequences of this law?
Will it actually achieve a reduction in child abuse? or will it restrict the ability of indigenous people to exercise their human rights, and their land rights. Does this law have anything really to do with child abuse?
Ask yourselves these questions honestly. And do the right thing.

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Skye Sutherland - Healey
August 12th, 2007

Child abuse has been an issue for years. What a cowardly, punitive, heavy handed response. Your motives are without doubt questionable and it appears you know nothing about appropriate responses to child abuse. What a hideous way of trying to take land of Aboriginal people. Extremely poor show. I do sincerely hope you lose this election. I can't stand your inadequacy any longer.

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Yvonne
August 12th, 2007

In the short time it has been available it has simply not been possible to carefully scrutinise this legislation. However, some things are VERY clear. Taking away the permit system will NOT stop child sexual abuse - if anything it will provide easier access to communities. Overriding the Racial Discrimination Act will NOT help any Australian whatever their colour. Dismantling CDEP and withholding welfare payments will only increase poverty, powerlessness and frustration - you surely can't expect communities to flourish in these circumstances.
Have you read Little Children Are Sacred? Are you aware that none of the recommendations have been implemented?
Please don't misuse the sad findings of this report to sanction such unwarranted attacks on our Indigenous population.

Instead - CONSULT!!!!! Work with the communities to improve their circumstances. Instead of funding a massive bureaucracy to manage the proposed laws - fund programs that we already know work. And fund them to succeed, not just to cope.

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Joan Hilderbrand
August 12th, 2007

the way this knee jerk reacion has occurred is not acceptable. let the indigenous people of this land deal with their own problems, but provide appropriate support for them to do so, according to their voices, hear them.Leave them their hard earned rights, their lands and their dignity.

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Tein McDonald
August 12th, 2007

I cannot see why it is necessary to lease Aboriginal land for 5 years to enable stated and federal government access. (They are already there.) More importantly, though, it is forced leasing, which makes a mockery of freehold title and conveys contempt for Aboriginal ownership of land. It also shows contempt for aboriginal leadership and belittles the idea of Aboriginal leadership in the eyes of Aboriginal community members.

Instead, we need to reinforce Aboriginal self-sufficiency by:
(a) greater conferencing with elders groups.
(b) greater support and expectation for education of children in Aboriginal values and culture, taught by aboriginal people themselves.

Non-aboriginal schooling is totally insufficient to meet the education needs of Aboriginal Australians and forcing attendance is another recipe for decline of Aboriginal culture and values. With that decline, the whole of Australia will be diminished. Schools should, instead, be funded to facilitate bi-cultural education through community-school partnerships. This education should not have to occur in a formal classroom but could occur in the bush as it traditionally has occurred.

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Jill McMurray
August 12th, 2007

Any action without proper process of community consultation and working closely in partnership with indigenous communities is bound to fail and backfire on the current government. Properly training community health personell and drug and alcohol services need to be working IN these communitiies - army personell are not appropriate and will not create any lasting change in families and communities. As for witholding welfare how about withholding the baby bonus for rich australians - to pay everyone this is ridiculous.

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Kathleen
August 12th, 2007

Dear Senator
You have been elected to ensure the laws of the land are passed with all necessary scrutiny and debate. I feel the level of debate on the "urgent" bill about interventions in our indigenous communities has been totally inadequate.

I fear rushing into action after such a long time of inaction and ill advised action is fraught with danger.

Please ensure that all Senators are allowed as much time as is needed to properly examine the bill.

For too long Aboriginal people of Australia have been ignored and now they are being used as a political football. We must honestly look at the recommendations of all the reports into abuse in communities and heed the recommendations of the people who have done the hard investigative work, not the political spin of tricky politicians.

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linnie lambrechtsen
August 12th, 2007

I'm glad that this forum exists so that people who do care can offer support to our indigenous brothers and sisters.
Our invasion of this land, and that is exactly what it has been, is a long-standing shame that many of us are still coming to terms with. We have long helped ourselves to things that rightfully belong to the ORIGINAL inhabitants of this country. Whatever tiny steps have been taken to undo our historical mis-management and wrong-doings are being undermined by this latest Govt intervention. Yes, there is evidence that child abuse exists in aboriginal communities, just as there is evidence that this absolutely deplorable crime exists elsewhere in Australia; yes, the unpalatable consequences of alcohol consumption are evident in these same communities.... as they are elsewhere. To my way of thinking, our indigenous friends had infinitely fewer problems to contend with before the advent of white people and the enforcement of our white-people laws. We are undeniably guilty of interferring in these people's lives... so far to no discernable advantage. Basically, we've created a hellish nightmare for these people through our earlier, unsolicited interventions- namely, our lack of appreciation for a very rich and long-established culture, and our arrogance in assuming that we had something better to offer them, or, an even worse arrogance...simply not caring!!! Let us offer these communities our assistance, Mr Howard, yes, but on THEIR terms.. That is the very least we can do! And isn't it time we.... no...YOU...dropped your arrogant stance and started displaying a little respect for people who have had an amazingly complex but workable system in place since eons before the term 'Government' was coined!!! .... "Sorry"... it is such a little word... but one that truly "little" people seem unable to utter!!

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Monica WHITE
August 12th, 2007

It is with deep concern that I view the legislation before the House which effectively discriminates against a section of our people on the basis of race. Once again we have been shamed before the global community by an elitist government which seeks to blame the victims of entrenched disadvantage - effectively saying that our indigenous population cannot look after themselves and that only the white man is capable of providing safe living conditions. Removal of indigenous land ownership and the permit system is totally unnecessary to the provision of adequate resources for the prevention of child abuse. Cursory consultation with Aboriginal leaders is littel short of an insult to them. While child abuse is abhorent to all decent people and sufficient funding and committment must be made to remediate the situation it is obvious that the present federal government's concern has only coincided with the impending election. Adequate time must be given to consider the ramifications of this legislation and for proper consultation with Aboriginal people affected by this legislation.

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jenny Garrett
August 12th, 2007

Please give very serious consideration to these bills. Listen to the justified criticism by indegenous leaders, the wider community and the writers of the reports. Consultation is necessary for reasoned workable solutions.
Your downfall at the next election may well be sheeted home to these acts of sheer racial bastardary where we all agree something must be done it would be better done in consultation with those most effected.

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August 12th, 2007

We all want the safety of our aboriginal children. But lets be honest, their needs are being used as politicl fodder. We're all asking why this wasn't dealt with years ago! We now have the answer 'its election year'. Come on Senators 'keep the bastards honest'.
Recognition needs to be given to all those working for the betterment of our indigenous citizens. Engagement and consultation need to be embraced by all concerned.

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Makushla Bourke
August 12th, 2007

I sincerely hope parliament vote against the legislative bill which is supposedly designed to stop abuse of indigenous youth. The bill doesn’t adequately address the real issue and is very suspiciously bundled with laws designed to strip landrights from communities. John Howard has lied so often in the past. His party has ignored all recommendations from the independent report 'Children are Sacred'. This bill should not pass as it is and should possibly be thrown out altogether. But action is needed immediately to stop a problem that has up to now been ignored.

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Joanne de Lacy
August 12th, 2007

As a voting member of white middle australia i am alarmed at the inaction of democratically elected politicians with regard to the 500 page legislation about to be steamrolled through the senate.
With an election looming it should be remembered that to choose not too act, is in fact an action and it will be noted by the voting public.
This legislation has a hidden agenda which will become clear only with the fulness of time, by which stage it will be far too late and i fear it will be once our Indeigenous population who will bear the cost and brunt of it.
The Howard Government has too many times now used the houses as his own little rubber stamp to make llong lasting and profound changes to our nation with pround impacts for the most vulnerable in our community. I for one have had enouhg. I personally will hold each and every politican; irrespective of party; responsible for the if you do nothing. And it will show up at the ballot box, as i am not alone in my feelings.

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Margaret Vinciguerra
August 12th, 2007

It is apparent that our government, and particularly Mr. John Winston Howard, will do and say anything to be re-elected. This retrograde legislation so hastily drawn is a complete infringment of our indigenous citzens' human rights. To present 500 pages of legislation to government members to throughouly peruse in such a short period of time is a clear example of the abuse of power John Howard has so regularly indulged in during his tenure as Prime Minister. Even more disgracefully, the authors of the 'Little Children are Sacred' report have had all their recommendations completely ignored. This is one of Howard's grossest abuses of power yet, up there with Work
(no)Choices. If the senate passes this legislation, all Senators I believe should be branded as completely morally bankrupt

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Ronald Terence Gannon
August 12th, 2007

I beleive this current Federal Government to be the most racist government to ever hold office in this country. This is simply a land grab by the coalation government who are also afraid of the Indigenous Rights Bill which goes before the United Nations the first week in September. They have no hope of winning the upcoming election and they realise this already. I will anxiously be awaiting Tuesdays results
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Mooka Bula Indigenous Association Incorporated

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Leon Bannister
August 12th, 2007

Message to Kevin Rudd:
You're a smart politician who understands what Abraham Lincoln said..." First, you get elected" So far you've been able to handle Howard's wedging tactics and it looks as though you will be elected. So, on this issue, why don't you make it clear that you are supporting this bill in order to see that urgent action is taken ( which seems to be electorally popular) but that you will immediately repeal it and replace it with one which is based on carefully thought out recommendations such as those in the " Little Children are Sacred" report? It makes political and humanitarian sense.

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Klaus Jahn
August 12th, 2007

The manner in which this matter (the sudden "national emergency" in the Northern Territory after many years of stubborn neglect) is being handled once again confirms the moral bankruptcy of the Howard Government and the Liberal (and Labor !!!) members of parliament voting for politically expedient actions without paying any attention to overriding values, principles and processes.

Democratic principles of applying overriding common human values and listening to your constituency apparently only count when there is a vote, power or money in it. I am sick and tired of this Government kicking long held Australian and human values to death.

Children overboard, Cornelia Rau, Vivian Solon, Nauru, Mamdouh Habib, David Hicks, playing fear politics in the name of fighting terrorism, AWB, Iraq war, Workchoices, inaction on climate change, kicking the fledgling alternative energy industry in Australia to death, spending my taxes on a hospital in a marginal liberal seat against all established wisdom and process, mistreatment and neglect of aboriginal needs over many years, .... the list goes on and on. I can't wait for this "liberal" charade to end. (Are there any true liberals left in the Liberal party, or are you all just money and powerhungry cheats?) Go Malcolm Fraser!

To all these analysts trying to figure out why John Howard is going so badly in the polls, here is the sum of it all: MORAL BANKRUPTCY presenting itself to the electorate in an endless loop.

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Terence Hull
August 12th, 2007

Aboriginal children are harmed when Aboriginal families are dispossessed of their land, prevented from attaining good livelihoods and disrespected by their national government. The bill before the Parliament poses this threefold assault on Aboriginal people throughout the North. It should be withdrawn and the Minister and the Prime Minister should be instructed to work with the Aboriginal communities of the Northern Territory to develop effective ways to address these issues.

That will take time, but the Prime Minister should not talk about the emergency of an election to excuse the neglect his government has shown to Aboriginal children over the last decade. Instead he should acknowledge the responsibility the Federal Government has to resource and empower Aboriginal communities to address these problems.

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Julian Croft
August 12th, 2007

This complex bill must be debated fully. One day's review in committee is a scandalous abuse of exceutive power by a Prime Minister who now has more power than the President of the United States. This kind of abuse of executive power led to the French and American revolutions in the C18 - do we want to put our democratic insitutions under such stress in the C21?

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julie
August 12th, 2007

The morning I first heard the news of Howard's invasion of Indigenous Communities in the Northen Territory with his arrogant, off the political seat of his 'supermouse' outfit, so appalled me, I was livid. I remain so. My first instinct, was to ask "beside the political diversion for his poor ratings in the polls...what else is he seeking?"
Under this government, Australia is going backwards in relation to acknowledging, rectifying and embracing a consultative vision and direction for the inequalities that exists toward our Indigenous peoples. We as a Nation, will never achieve the status of an 'humane and democratic' society until this becomes our priority.

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ALec Soubra
August 12th, 2007

John Howard stop treating Indigenous population like second class people, everyone on this earth is equal.
Any changes that effect their lives should be made in consultation with them.

If people of Australia vote John Howard back in, they are just as stupid as the Americans voting Bush for another 4 years and I will be ashamed to be called Australian.

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luis trujillo
August 12th, 2007

Hypothetic terrorist refugee threat + ulterior motives = break international human rights laws...
Hypothetic weapons of mass destruction + ulterior motives = Invasion of Iraq...
Hypothetic indigenous child abuse + ulterior motives = Invasion of indigenous communities...

Seems to be a pattern forming here... & Its not a pretty one...



Stop masquerading oppression in the guise of compassion.

Stop the rot!

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Brian K Harrisson
August 12th, 2007

To all Senators:

Please do not pass the bill covering the emergency plan for indigenous communities without adequate debate within the parliamentsry system.

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Jeanette Richardson
August 12th, 2007

Can we please have the truth about the Governments intentions in the Northern Territory? Can we please have respect and recognition for Aboriginal people's human rights? I want the government to work with communities to stop the sexual abuse of children and find solutions to the alcohol and drug problems. It is imperative that serious funding and resources are made available to these communities. I am imploring the government to find the will!

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Sam Holmes
August 12th, 2007

Gr8 website keep up the good work people

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Jean Sietzema-Dickson
August 12th, 2007

I am so concerned at the paternalistic way our present government is acting. Please note what Gina Smith says: but we don’t want our permit system removed because it means so much to our protection of our lands and sacred sites and knowing who can and can’t go there.
We need to learn to treat our indigenous people with respect!

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Gillian Wells
August 12th, 2007

I am appalled that the government expects to ram through legislation "to curb abuse of aboriginal children" without allowing time for community discussion and feedback - particularly without consulting aboriginal people themselves.

Please, senators, insist that proper review of the legislation is necessary, make amendments to abandon the repeal of the permit system and the freezing of land-rights claim entitlements and the compulsory acquisition of land by the Commonwealth. The Prime Minister's sudden sense of urgency about the longstanding issue of child abuse, coming as it does after many cynical election-winning ploys, is very suspect. Please do your bit to maintain the integrity of the Australian democratic system and ACT AS A REAL HOUSE OF REVIEW. Please, no rubber stamp!

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anna mycko
August 12th, 2007

The recommendations of the report into child abuse ignored, a knee jerk military imperialst over-reaction complete with media hype after a decade of inaction and cutting or underfunding social and community support, political grandstanding on the moral high ground before an election, one law for Indigenous communities but another for white communities where abuse is also prevalent, a proposal to undermine Indigenous autonomy in areas that have no relationship to questions of child abuse, hasty pushing through of legislation without time to examine it carefully, debate the issues or consult with comminities, a rubber stamp agreement from the (mis-named) Opposition.
What is really going on here? John Howard in fine pre- election form manipulating the Austraian public to promote his own political agenda, this time at great cost to Indigenous Austraians. Who is he really representing? Its a land grab. Its racist. It smacks of exploitation and human rights abuse. Its a disgrace. Its the next page in the book of Shame that has been backwards-to-the-future Howard's real legacy to this counrty.
I sincerly hope that the Senate does not pass this legislation, because if it does they will rightly be seen to be a rubber stamp for Howard not the house of checks and balances that we deserve in a healthy democracy.
If this passes the Senate then I believe a ground swell of support for the Democrats and the Greens, the only political parties in Australia with the integrity to halt the landslide into moral bankruptcy that characterises Howard's leadership, will be the only hope we have of ever being proud to be Austraian again.

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Geoffrey Stokes
August 12th, 2007

I am a White Australian, married to an Aboriginal man - and we have children who belong to both worlds, speak both languages, who have danced the ancient dances of their father's people on the packed red earth of the ceremony groud. We live and work in a remote area. My brothers in law and sisters in law, my nieces and nephews and extended family are across the central desert. I have been there and seen the struggles they face, their brave efforts to look after themselves and their families, to improve their communities. I have held babies dying because their families have not been able to reach medical care in time, because the nearest doctor is hundreds of kilometers away. I have struggled to help fight the scourge of diabetes and kidney disease knowing that the answers lie in good water, adequate housing, fresh food, fruit and vegetables that are just not available in remote areas where many families are forced to live on weetbix and 2 minute noodles, 15 people to a house. I have cried to see the funding for successful programs removed by the Howard Government just as benefits are starting to be felt.

And I have seen millions of dollars of tax payers money spent on golf courses, public spectacles and monuments, on tertiary level health care that benefit only a few, on wars that are not our business, on polititian's trips abroad, fancy cars, dinners and office furnishings, on TV advertising campaigns, on pretty paved roads in affluent suburbs, on tickets to the Royal show for goodness sake! - and on election campaigns.

The poverty, desperation and years of abuse have left many Aboriginal people depressed, desperate, addicted, demoralised and without a moral compass. But there are more Aboriginal people who are strong, proud, articualate and ready to lead - if they are just given a chance - and a voice.

Our Aboriginal people are the custodians of our land and our heritage - the things that make us Australians - they have been systematically decimated by our governments and this is another shameless episode - what is it really about - it is about access to land and resources. It is about our failure to treat Aboriginal people in our own country as we would like to be treated ourselves. Just ask yourself how you would like to be treated in the same situation - wouldn't you like to start with being consulted?

Mr Howard, Mr Brough, Mr Rudd and all their colleagues have a lot to say but are they big enough to listen? That is the test of a true leader!

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August 12th, 2007

I am a White Australian, married to an Aboriginal man - and we have children who belong to both worlds, speak both languages, who have danced the ancient dances of their father's people on the packed red earth of the ceremony groud. We live and work in a remote area. My brothers in law and sisters in law, my nieces and nephews and extended family are across the central desert. I have been there and seen the struggles they face, their brave efforts to look after themselves and their families, to improve their communities. I have held babies dying because their families have not been able to reach medical care in time, because the nearest doctor is hundreds of kilometers away. I have struggled to help fight the scourge of diabetes and kidney disease knowing that the answers lie in good water, adequate housing, fresh food, fruit and vegetables that are just not available in remote areas where many families are forced to live on weetbix and 2 minute noodles, 15 people to a house. I have cried to see the funding for successful programs removed by the Howard Government just as benefits are starting to be felt.

And I have seen millions of dollars of tax payers money spent on golf courses, public spectacles and monuments, on tertiary level health care that benefit only a few, on wars that are not our business, on polititian's trips abroad, fancy cars, dinners and office furnishings, on TV advertising campaigns, on pretty paved roads in affluent suburbs, on tickets to the Royal show for goodness sake! - and on election campaigns.

The poverty, desperation and years of abuse have left many Aboriginal people depressed, desperate, addicted, demoralised and without a moral compass. But there are more Aboriginal people who are strong, proud, articualate and ready to lead - if they are just given a chance - and a voice.

Our Aboriginal people are the custodians of our land and our heritage - the things that make us Australians - they have been systematically decimated by our governments and this is another shameless episode - what is it really about - it is about access to land and resources. It is about our failure to treat Aboriginal people in our own country as we would like to be treated ourselves. Just ask yourself how you would like to be treated in the same situation - wouldn't you like to start with being consulted?

Mr Howard, Mr Brough, Mr Rudd and all their colleagues have a lot to say but are they big enough to listen? That is the test of a true leader!

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Bronwyn Tarlton
August 12th, 2007

these laws are draconian and stink of an effort to take back the rights of the indigenous people of our country.

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Helen Mares
August 12th, 2007

Dear Senators
Please think very carefully about the proposed legislation to intervene in indigenous communities. Yes - we need to act - but it must be intervention which is likely to improve the situation and not cause further problems.
Please listen to the voices of those most affected. Any plan to improve the health and safety of aboriginal children has to involve the views of indigenous people and those who have been working with them for decades - people who understand the historical social economic and cutlutral context in which abuse in aboriginal communities has developed and continues - it is a long story with many threads.
Child sexual abuse and domestic violence in aboriginal communities have been known about for decades - as in the wider community. Resources to address the issues have been sought for decades. Our response in indigenous communities must be based on the particular circumstances in that commmunity - there is no single simple solution. It will require respect, patience and persistence. Please take the time to listen - please don't rush this Bill through.
Little Children are Sacred and the authors of the report made informed recommendations. How about starting there?
Thank you

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Kathie Lane
August 12th, 2007

This legislation is racist bigotry. It takes us back to the era of the sixties and makes me ashamed to be Australian. It should be completely rewritten and the law-makers made accountable for the back-lash if what is currently beeing put before us actually is made law. The Labor Party should also come out and say that they will revoke it if it gets to be law - which it will because of the stacked senate. Are you senators game enough to vote on this in a considered and brave manner? My cynical self says -no... Prove me wrong. Vote against what you know is racist, paranoid nonsense. Where are the brains in this government? Is no-one capable of seeing the truth in this legislation or the paranoid power-mongering that Howard is engaged in? - all against an unvoiced minority. The problem with child abuse is in all levels of our society - how is Howard dealing with that?

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Johanna Blows
August 12th, 2007

Far-reaching intervention of this nature should not be contemplated except in consultation with the Aboriginal people. An effort to support the Aboriginal people with health services is good. In some cases, further intervention may be required. But the idea of taking over rights to their land (with compensation to be determined by the government!), and to take away their right to determine who can have access to their land, are massive losses of their rights.

Please do not pass this legilation. And at least, allow a decent period for honest debate. Steamrolling such major legislation through parliament is a loss to us all - a loss of democracy.

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Louise Purtell
August 12th, 2007

Continue the debate. Howard is known as a manipulator and the speed of this through parliament is worrying. We know that Howard is in favour of uranium mining, my first thought is are there any uranium sites on aboriginal land? Has Howard used the save the children action as a smoke screen? It certainly seems like it is a beat up to mask something. Why does Howard need control over indigenous lands? He is a devious little bastard, and everyone involved needs a say. So slow down and make sure that the people affected have a voice in the debate that we need to have.
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mark
August 12th, 2007

To all politicians.
I too, am disgusted in how the government has handled the aboriginal situation.
Please demand as much time as you need, to get this one right.
And how can you do that without hearing what they, [aboriginal people,] have to say. Spend time with them, sit with them, feel their pain, even as you sit and read this, try to feel how it must feel to have your land taken away for you, your culture, your family.
We truly live in one of the luckiest countries in the world. As a tour guide I hear people from all around the world say that to me, all the time.
But as a white Australian I am embarrassed about our history and continuing treatment of the aboriginal people.
Please........................not only treat the aborigines as equal human beings, but as the first, and true land owners.
With honour, love and respect
Very sincerely
Mark

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Russell Rollason
August 12th, 2007

Dear Senator,

Protecting Aboriginal children is a national reponsibility and urgent but taking away land title, removing the permit system and scrapping CDEP funding will do little to protect children or strengthen responsible Aborigial organisations and help them addres the crisis. These unjust and unjustifiable elements must be removed form the legislation.

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Felicity Wright
August 12th, 2007

I am outraged and appalled about the proposed legislation. The legislation is fundamentally flawed and the potential and likely impact on Indigenous people frightening. AFter more than 20 years of working in and with Indigenous communities around Australia as an employee of Aboriginal corporations, a researcher, consultant, change manager and advocate for Aboriginal artists and art centres I cannot express my opposition, alarm and horror strongly enough. My experience extends from Cape York, to the Kimberley and from the Tiwi Islands to Mt Gambier - more than 75 towns, remote and regional communities and outstations. Not only is the legislation appalling and RACIST, the haste and lack of decent debate is undemocratic.

I am horrified that the ALP is showing all signs of supporting the legislation and has not even fully consulted with its own members and Parliamentarians in the NT.

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Marie-Claude Rangott
August 12th, 2007

How can the rights and hopes of people be so utterly dismissed and abused by our government... it leaves me stunned!
I thought that reconciliation would bring better understanding, justice and respect for all the indigenous needs, and offer them the opportunity of living better lives, as is the right of all australian citizen!!
My heart is with all the elders fighting for what is right for them. Let us support them in their fight.

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Tere Garnons-Williams
August 12th, 2007

Abuse of those more vulnerable than one self tends to result from feeling disempowered. By changing laws and dictating to the indigenous peoples of Australia without consultation will increase feelings of disempowerment - and will further the behaviours that you seem to be trying to erradicate in this population.

Abusing the rights of those less powerful - comes from abusing the rights of those less powerful.

Thank about it - consult before creating.

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jennie smith
August 12th, 2007

Come on, it's time the indigenous people of Australia had a fair go! If in doubt of what they have gone through, and been deprived of, since our so called civilization arrived here, Read 'Aboriginal Aaustralians' by Richard Broome, a pretty good historical summary of white man's greed and destructive behaviour to a people who owned all of this country before colonisation!!!

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Robyn gilbert
August 12th, 2007

Your comment Howard and Brough show supreme arrogrance in imagining that they can put their heads together and solve the problems of the Aboriginal communities without consulting Aboriginal people or those experts who have been thinking about these problems for decades. We all want peace, health, education and employment for the communities, but do not agreed that compulsory acquisition (stealing) of Aboriginal land, or quarantining (stealing) of welfare payments from law abiding citizens is the path to this goal. All Senators should read the recommendations of the Little Children are Sacred report and compare them with the legislation before them. They should think carefully before making such a radical intervention. And they should insist on taking the time to think carefully. Labour, the small target "me-too" approach is tired. Do you really support this Bill? If not, don't vote for it!

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john hughes
August 12th, 2007

Senators: Before you vote be sure this latest operation will not be yet another "blemish" in the treatment of Indigenous peoples by Australian parliaments - subject to the same, appropriate, international and local shaming that greeted the infamous 'ten point scam' that gutted the native title act ten years ago. Do you really want to be complicit in the damage of this one? "I didn't know the implications" and "I was only following orders" won't wash this time around.

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christine davis
August 12th, 2007

I do not trust a process whereby 500 pages legislation has to be read and debated in less than a week.

I am distressed at the denigration and destruction of Parliamentary democracy for which this government is increasingly responsible and request that the Senate debate this legislation in FULL.

I do NOT believe that changes in the land ownership of Indigenous community lands, the removal of the permit system and such have ANYTHING to do with child sexual abuse and do NOT trust this government's agenda re this land--there is no logic other than dispossession to those moves.

I would like to see as much tough action re non Aboriginal abusers and the companies who gain financially from the 'rivers of grog' which subvert and sabotage Aboriginal efforts to maintain dry communities as with Aboriginal abusers.

I would like to see respectful communication with local Aboriginal people regarding strategies which they would welcome for dealing with the problems in Aboriginal remote communities.

I do not think that desperate communities should be pressured into bartering away their control and leases on their lands in return for infratstructure which city Australians are able to take for granted.

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David Wookey
August 12th, 2007

Stop the abuse of dual parliamentary house control. Too many occasions we have seen poorly constructed legislation that drives the idealogical interests of the government provided with no or minimal debate time.

This ineffectual system that undermines the principles of democracy only serves the interests of those who know that their feeble recommendations would fail the test of any real scrutiny.

We have a responsibility and a duty as a nation to understand the true nature of the problem facing the indigenous people of this country and apply the most appropriate countermeasures that will be supported and implemented by those who are impacted by these decisions.

Our white man arrogance is reckless and irresponsible and refuses to acknowledge the wisdom of the people who are living in this scenario. The health and safety of the children impacted is far more important than the government's lame illusion of tough love and short term band aid solutions.

Don't be fooled by Howard's drive to continue to strip away basic rights through superficial hysteria. I demand rigorous debate through appropriate consultation of the proposed acts impacted the rights of the indigenous people of our nation.

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David Matheson
August 12th, 2007

For too long Aboriginal affairs in Australia have been dominated by non-indigenous people deciding what is best for Aboriginal people. The current legislation being rushed through parliament is another example of this approach. It's ultimate result will be to alienate Aboriginal people and create futher problems.
Despite the Government's urgency, there are no quick fixes to problems which are complex and have existed for a long time.
Two things are needed:
1. The current legislation to be scrapped.
2. Genuine consultation between lawmmakers and indigenous leaders, focusing on empowering indigenous people within a framework of strong accountability and responsibility.

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David Wookey
August 12th, 2007

Stop the abuse of dual parliamentary house control. Too many occasions we have seen poorly constructed legislation that drives the idealogical interests of the government provided with no or minimal debate time.

This ineffectual system that undermines the principles of democracy only serves the interests of those who know that their feeble recommendations would fail the test of any real scrutiny.

We have a responsibility and a duty as a nation to understand the true nature of the problem facing the indigenous people of this country and apply the most appropriate countermeasures that will be supported and implemented by those who are impacted by these decisions.

Our white man arrogance is reckless and irresponsible and refuses to acknowledge the wisdom of the people who are living in this scenario. The health and safety of the children impacted is far more important than the government's lame illusion of tough love and short term band aid solutions.

Don't be fooled by Howard's drive to continue to strip away basic rights through superficial hysteria. I demand rigorous debate through appropriate consultation of the proposed acts impacted the rights of the indigenous people of our nation.

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Colin Glover
August 12th, 2007

Hasten slowly could have been the order of the day. There is a certain irony is this whole matter. John has been highly critical of the speed and lack of consultation by Beattie here in Qld and wants to find a way to stop the council amalgamation process. Yet here he is doing the exact same thing in the NT.

Another area that I haven't seen any attention paid to is who'll ensure that the 50% of the welfare payment is paid to the proper parties in the future. Remember what happened to the stolen wages in Qld years ago.

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Penelope Langmead
August 12th, 2007

I have sent individual emails to all the Labour Senators, the Shadow Leaders and Liberal Ministerial Advisor. I welcome the opportunity to join with others in voicing this to all senators.

This "emergency" in aboriginal communities that requires such urgent action, has been happening for years. It does and has required urgent action for many years. The political opportunism which suddenly means the government has to roll out the troops, repeal or alter land agreements, ride rough shod over years of work in indigenous communities is cynical and dangerous beyond belief. The Government has ignored the issue for so long that taking even a few more months for debate, consultation, strategising, planning, budgetting and commitment to adequate funding is not going to make much negative difference and can ensure Australia gets it as right as possible.

The Senate has a chance to review and delay this process. Those who side with John Howard are entering his political agenda, not meeting the needs of children or Australia's indigenous people.

I feel deeply that the Government’s action is ignorant, insensitive and racist. It ignores the many years of sensitive work by skilled, knowledgeable and commited people in Aboriginal communities and ignores the abundant, informed, sensitive and excellent advice both in verbal and written reports which have been provided to the Government at tax payers expense over the years.

It is ignorant not only of Aboriginal issues, but of basic human dynamics, family dynamics, substance abuse, child trauma and appropriate processes of protective intervention.

It is insensitive because it is politically driven for an expeditious and expedient outcome before the election and not consultative.

It is racist, because it pours millions of dollars into the Aboriginal community focusing publicity, intolerance and criticism on albeit serious concerns, but ignoring that these concerns are actually endemic within the Australian population as a whole – not reserved to outback NT Aboriginal communities. The outraged politicians, including the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Community Services, need not scratch far into the family violence, alcohol and substance abuse and protective data and demographics of their own electorates, to find serious cause for concern. Will they call in the army, or actually better still - fund across Australia, early intervention agencies, child and family service agencies, family violence and protective agencies, cross-cultural support agencies and primary health and rehabilitation agencies to provide what they are skilled to provide, but are not in any way adequately funded to meet the need.

We need workable laws based on proper consultation. This is a serious issue for Australia. We need leadership which is honest, transparent and with integrity. We need the Senate to stop this legislation and call for bi-partisan commitment to funding and consultative problem solving and health and safety outcomes in all our Australian communties.

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Cristina Scott
August 12th, 2007

It is my strongly-held belief that the best and, indeed, only way that changes in society and changes in the individual come about is through consultation and communication with that society and with those individuals whose behaviour one is seeking to change. The various states have commissioned reports on the status of Indigenous health, education and welfare over the past decade and these reports have not been acted upon by the states or the federal government. For the federal government to suddenly intervene in this boots-and-all fashion is disengenuous in the extreme and is bound to create repercussions in the Indigenous community which will set back efforts at reconciliation to the year zero. What does losing entitlement to their land have to do with protecting their children? How does punitive action against the men of any community rehabilitate that community or bring about positive change? Doctors who fly in and out once a month won't cure a community's ills. Throwing perpetrators in jail without drug/alcohol rehab programs won't change anything.
This voter expects, at the VERY LEAST, that the politicians (who have so recently given themselves a salary increase) will take the time to read and debate such serious and far-reaching legislation as this before they decide its fate!

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Barbara Aroney
August 12th, 2007

DONT PASS THESE BILLS!!! These bills will ennable a gross injustice to occur. Dont punish indiscriminately for the sins of a few. Please visit your conscience and prevent the taking away of rights and dignity from most NT Aboriginal people. This legislation shames us all.

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Margaret Rush
August 12th, 2007

These comments make a lot of sense to me and I endorse their sentiment entirely. Consultation is what's necessary. Sifting out the what has proved unworkable and building on the efforts of the past . It hasn't all been 'bad' .
There are capable people who should be encouraged and there is no one solution to any problems. Communities vary, and each requires an individual solution.

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Kevin Cox
August 12th, 2007

The bill with respect to laws for Northern Territory people is very bad from a number of respects. We all know there is a problem and "something should be done" but this is an inappropriate and foolish response to the problem.

At a minimum no law should be passed about a group of people without those people having some say in what is in it. How would the people in Toorak or Double Bay feel if we said

"There is a problem with the abuse of affluence. These people are living off their investments and not contributing to society in a meaningful way. We will put in a police force and require them all to do voluntary work and not to idle their time away at garden parties and charity do's. They must allow anyone who wishes to come onto their mansions to view their gardens"

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T. Rockendorfer
August 12th, 2007

There are many forms of abuse,non should be tolorated.

A democratic government is supposed to act according to the will of the people, the time restraints placed on reviewing this bill denagrades the democratic process

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chris saunders
August 12th, 2007

In my view, the Howard years have been the worst government in history. They have ruled with lies,mistruths, sleight of hand, misinformation and scare campaigns. They also made those who put their hands up to point out the truth, suffer. Senators, particularly those of the right, please don't think that we have forgotten these things in the twilight of your years. Very few, too few of you had any dissenting voices. All senators, of any political persuasion who allow this legislation to pass, will stand condemned by both black and white communities as having changed the constitution by stealth.

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Mary Sharah
August 12th, 2007

The government's action is appalling in that seems to be an attempt to save its miserable hide.
Not only should this fail, but I doubt that any but its rusted on voters take it seriously.
I attended school with the few boys from the Kinchela Boys' Home who were allowed to go to high school and the children from Burnt Bridge and Greenhill.
It was a mystery to me when I discovered some years later that there was a stolen generation and I knew them.
So many of the aboriginal children came from family groups in Burnt Bridge and Greenhill and had fathers who worked in the sawmill at Greenhill.
The boys from Kinchela boys home told us nothing of their family situation - after all, what did they know of families - and they were put in an all boys class at high school, ( those who didn't make the grade for high school stayed at school at the boys home - they weren't allowed into the primary school at Kinchela).
Kempsey High had A class for the bright kids, B for the not so bright, C for girls doing cooking and sewing, D for metal work and wood work and E and F for children with learning difficulties.
In my time in the high school no aboriginal boy was put into a class higher than D.
The boys from the boys home were often unaware that other members of the home were their brothers.
They were punished for childhood faults by being stock whipped - something I found out later.
This was the nearest they got to human contact.
Is it any wonder that the majority of these boys were unable to later fit into a family unit, and show proper affection towards their wife or children?
That other aboriginal social groups are as damaged and fractured as the boys home boys is of no long term concern to Mal Brough and John Howard.
All they seem interested in are a few more band aids for the tired old liberal party, they really aren't even interested in band aids for the aboriginal communities.
My ignorance on aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory is massive.
In a country as huge as Australia, where I suspect that lumping a minor community which exists in such diverse conditions is sinfully simplistic.

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clancy Wright
August 12th, 2007

Let us stand up for the rights of all children of Australia regardless of their ancestry. But let us ensure that we do this in a productive and LONG TERM manner, ensuring that we not only tackle the issue of abuse but the issues that lead to it, unemployment, substance abuse, lack of education, lack of policing, lack of social structure and lack of community organisations. The plight of too many indigenous was started by our own ancestors let us not forget this, I am appalled by my families part in the destructive nature of Australia’s beginning. Let you the power brokers deal with black Australia with respect and humanity, treating all citizens as equal, use the power vested in you to ensure a long term and proper solution can be made, I applaud initiative but I do not applaud pork barreling or a 'quick' fix to a disgraceful situation. I beg you to make a stand and not only regret this legislation but to use to wisdom to create a solution that in 20 years from now will maintain its effectiveness. Thank you for your time. Clancy Wright

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Bette Devine
August 12th, 2007

I am a white Australian who feels enormous shame about our devious and immoral government. Everyone I know feels the same emotions. I empathise with Aboriginal people at this awful time because I, too, fell outraged and powerless.

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Philip Hewett
August 12th, 2007

The Howard govenrnment shames this nation and deserves global condemantion for its action. Howard's agenda is unspeakable. He deserves no place in Australia.

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Pat Ryan
August 12th, 2007

Please Senators, give this hastily drafted legislation full and careful consideration and assessment. I for one of many believe that, apart from the electioneering aspect (obvious), the real purpose of the legislation and troops is to dud the indigenous people of their landrights so that miners will have open slather (without royalties) and provision will be made for storage of the world's neuclear waste - all in secret treason against the nation.

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Brian Keast
August 12th, 2007

Dear Senators
If I could believed that there are many senators who genuinely want improvements for aboriginal people and their kids I'd still have a problem wondering why you are attempting to rush through this legislation in a couple of days.
You are making it a political action and losing support around the country.
Rethink this hurried action.
Have you read the 500 page document?

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Julia J Pannell
August 12th, 2007

In particular senators in my home state of South Australia. Whilst I am appalled and saddened at the abuse being perpetrated in Aboriginal communites, I cannot condone the military invasion as a solution to the problem.

It is not just a case of 'get your hair cut' the problem is over 200 years old and is of the making of the dominant culture. Consultation with elders is absolutely necessary and I am bewildered why the permit system is being supended at a time when there is an urgent need to prohibit grog and drug runners from entering into communities.

Change cannot be brought about from above, it needs to be community driven, and the Aboriginal people find a purpose and worth to want to improve their conditions.

The jack boots way in which the legislation was pushed through the House of Assembly is not democratic. Roll on the next election and the return to a balance of power in the Senate.

Julia, Adelaide, South Australia

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Igrid Crosser
August 12th, 2007

500 pages of legislation and only a one day senate hearing and two days of debate for laws that dramatically affect land tenure, welfare and the rights of Aboriginal communities in the NT – and, above all, no consultation with Indigenous people!?! An outrageous misuse of political power and an attack on democratic procedure. I have asked for clarification about how, in real, practical terms, the 5 year leases is essential in building homes for aboriginal people and have not received any response so far! I also do not know what kind of housing is planned and whether indigenous people themselves will be involved in the design and construction of their own homes. So far, 'the response' to 'the emergency' seems like a hurried, ill thought out political stunt and a lost opportunity for real progress - a solution that is creative, deeply touching and transformative, that will raise the collective soul and self esteem of our our ancient original Australians - AND OURSELVES, ALL AUSTRALIANS!!!

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Dr Kenneth Bewley
August 12th, 2007

This attempt to rush through critically important legislation is a shameful disgrace to our country and democratic governmental system.
The abuse of our children deserves a far wiser, more mature response by their "grown up's" than this impulsive at best and politically theatrical at worst, superficial inadequate and predictably ineffectual response. The problem has been there for some years and the need for some more time to examine, reflect, consult and "get it right" is obvious to anyone with common sense andn some experience of these difficulties. How many enthusiastic but untested plans have been imposed on Aboriginal people by "do gooders" in our history?; this is just another, coming from the Right on this occasion, rather than the Left. Our children deserve better than this, whatever their race; and we should not forget that abuse is not just in black communities but occurs in all our communities and cities across our beautiful country, to the shame of all of us. What sort of society have we allowed to evolve and continue!
Please Senators, fulfill the responsibilities given to you on election. Act to ensure the House of Review does its job under the Constitution! Review this legislation responsibly and intelligently as an individual Senator acting for the people of this country, not as a Party hack.
Yours sincerely
Dr Kenneth Bewley

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Anne Carroll
August 12th, 2007

All of Australia has a problem with alcohol abuse and child abuse, not just the indigenous population. Our child protection services cannot cope with the demands and the police must feel powerless as they continually attend traffic accident scenes that are the result of irresponsible drink driving behaviours, not to mention the alcohol-induced fights and stabbings.
John Howard appears to be ignorant and discriminatory on this issue, but this is a clever strategy to create a media frenzy to cover up the real reason: that of gaining access to Aboriginal lands to mine uranium.

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August 12th, 2007

This legislation was presented without real understanding of the problems that have developed because of white politicians not listening to the elders....the women of the communities along with the nurses,doctors, teachers who tried to get the message across but the attitude seems to be "we know best"..not good enough

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Louise Hamilton
August 12th, 2007

I am a very sad Wiradjuri Women and this is my opinion....
The Australian Government has driven this situation to the vunerable state that it is in by starving the communities of any useful resources needed to survive and recognise these communities the chance of existing as apart of the Australian community as a respected culture....and when the government is screamed at enough to do something about the tragedies in these communities they start to provide the nesscities of every day living and then when the Howy Gov starts to see health in the eyes of the people they say to the Australian Community "See we did our Job" (usually around voting time) and then once the voting is done they say "they will be right now" and then provide no more funding to stabilise these communities....and so it goes every year until guess when?!!!

Question has this been the most tragic time of these communities...NO

Dose the Government scream...we keep giving resources and then blame the communities for not utilising them properly so it's like now they are saying we will show them how to do it right...send the troops in gaurd them like dogs and slame assimilation in their face instead of sending in

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Janet Burstall
August 12th, 2007

Democracy is not always expedient. A quick decision from above can seem efficient. But in the long run it erodes the ability of people to govern themselves, and it erodes co-operation and confidence in the political system. (This decision will not build strong aboriginal communities that can take care of themselves). It leads to dictatorship. Changes in social life (in this case solutions to problems of child abuse in Australia) require the full and conscious participation of the people involved. The Senate, the parliament, the Coalition and the ALP are all being complicit in the erosion of democratic processes in this country by rubber stamping the legislation on indigenous affairs in the NT. History will catch up with you all, when Australians realise the danger in the trend to erode democratic government in this country. When will that be? I don't know - but your names will be MUD when it does happen.

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Shirley Gladding
August 12th, 2007

I strongly object to the rushed introduction and debate of the new proposed Indigenous legislation in the senate:-
a) without proper consultation with representatives of our Aboriginal communities.

b) without consultation with the authors of the Little Children are Sacred report.

c) without appropriate time for a full and proper debate.

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LInda Thomas
August 12th, 2007

Please stop this action and consult with the indigenous communities and professional workers in the field. You will destroy any chance the indigenous communities coming together with the white population of this wonderful nation.
Please for once put humanity and a true sense of helping the problem first before the economy and the benefit to big businesses.
You are playing on such sensitive ground here stop now before the damage is too late to repair.
This issue needs to be dealt with delicately and properly. Please, please do not destroy the soul of the country any more!!!!!

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ChristabelChamarette
August 12th, 2007

No one is disputing the problem or the need to rectify the serious damage of child sexual abuse within aboriginal (and non-aboriginal) families in appropriate ways. However every aspect of this legislative response indicates that it derives from a totally different agenda than that of the rhetoric. Information re the problem of csa has been available for 20 years and several investigations have reported to state and federal government but all of these inquiries and their recommendations has been ignored.
The federal powers, compulsory acquistion and removal of welfare rights are discriminatory and violate the Racial Discrimination Act.They should not be pushed through in this undemocratic way . Please vote against them even though it will still get through on the Government numbers and seek to have their operations defered. These laws should be rescinded by the next government because of their blatant violation of democratic and human rights.

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Margaret Setter
August 12th, 2007

The Howard Government had been in power for eleven years, yet has waited until election time to come up with this unsatisfactory plan of action for Aboriginal communities.

Aboriginal communities have problems but that does not mean Governments can ride roughshod over their rights. I believe that the Government's policies are designed to convert Aboriginal land to leasehold which, given time, will lead inevitably toward freehold and the alienation of their land into private hands.

I urge the government to consult with aboriginal elders who know and understand their own people. It is allright for Noel Pearson to keep on talking about 'welfare dependence' but first we need training programs and job opportunities for Aboriginal people, even it means Government must create jobs.



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Genevieve O'Connell
August 12th, 2007

The Howard Govt's last act of genocide is grabbing the land from indigenous people in NT, and stopping CDEP across the board which will put a stop to some very successful community building projects and lead to higher rates of idleness and lack of motivation. We know that this forced land grab is to facilitate Howard's deal on introducing nuclear waste dumps in Australia, and removing CDEP funding is Mal Brough's order that indigenous people must find work in the sort of industries that profit the govt's corporate mates, such as the nuclear industry.
Will you be part of this??

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lyn dennerstein
August 12th, 2007

I think you should consider carefully your constitutional duty to act as a member of the Federal parliamentary house of review. With the bundling together of such complex legislation on Indigenous rights, you really need time to consider the implications of each section. From personal experience of living and running a business in the Northern Territory, I can attest to the value of the permit system in Aboriginal hands. My husband and I visited Cape Arnhem on a permit, and it is one of the most beautiful, pristine places in Australia, dare I say the planet! It has been maintained as such by the traditional owners. With regard to welfare payments, I think it is important not to punish a whole family for the wrong-doing of one member. I hope you will do your duty to the citizens of Australia by carefully considering the consequences of this legislation and having the courage to reject any part that impinges on the rights of Indigenous Australians. Thank you.

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Theresa Grima
August 12th, 2007

Enough is enough! I am ashamed. This Government is shaming all of us. The opposition parties MUST take a stand. Children cannot be saved from abuse simply by removing the rights of all in the community. A child also needs to have some sense of a positive destiny.

Provide proper housing and infrastructure. Acknowledge first nation status. Show some humanity.

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Lilian Hobson
August 12th, 2007

To all Senators: Think long and hard before you rubber-stamp this unjust legislation. You will be destroying the spirit of so many Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Australians and the good work and good will of so many people who have worked so hard for justice in this country. That this can all be taken away by just the stroke of a pen without proper debate and consultation makes me feel sick and sorry for this country. I hope you will look deep into your consciences before you approve the passing of this bill in this present form.

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August 12th, 2007

I want my apology to the Indigenous People of this Country as a European heritage Australian recorded.

I marched to celebrate th 40th anniversary of the referendum - I have not marched on any other issue since the 1970s.

I am sorry for the continued lack of acknowledgment by my people of the fundamental/spiritual relationship between Indigenous People and the land.

I support your claim to stewardship of this Country and without your tolerance and continued relationship to Country we are all worse off.

Greg Drake

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August 12th, 2007

(From someone who feels strongly about 'something'.)

Why not take the time to think about the government’s Bills on the Northern Territory ‘emergency.’ Even emergency aid workers know that there must be a rational plan of action _that has been consulted on_ before you start doing ‘something’.

We all know Howard’s got form on indigenous issues. The Native Title debate outed him. While he and Brough might be concerned about child abuse on some level they’re actually using these children to promote their real agenda, which is mostly about another land grab and turning black fellas into good wannabe white people.

Remember that Howard thinks the pendulum has swung too far in favour of these aborigines. He now sees another opportunity to stop the swing and take back the land (this time without just compensation). The speed with which he and Brough are ramming this ‘emergency’ legislation through the Parliament has nothing to do with problems that he’s ignored for the entire 10+ years of his incumbency but much more to do with shutting up those concerned citizens who interfered with his plans back during the Native Title debate. Those hundreds of thousands of decent Australians who thought that indigenous Australians deserved a fair go. Those hundreds of thousands of decent Australians who made a difference to the debate and clawed back some semblance of justice to Howard’s native title amendments.

It’s inspiring to see the eloquent objections starting to flow in through submissions to the Senate Committee’s one day inquiry. The many submissions showing
- an understanding that Australians should _not_ have to pay for decent basic services by having their land taken without adequate compensation and
- the sense that the Racial Discrimination Act should not be messed with – it’s got principles that are important for everyone at all times.
- that mindlessly heavy-handed ill-informed interventions are likely to cause more harm than good.

But as the problems with Howard’s proposals start to become apparent to the general population it’s also clear why the government is desperate not to have Australia become aware of what Howard’s and Brough’s ‘response’ to child abuse is actually about. Once people realize the government are using the situation as an excuse to do things they wouldn’t usually support they might stop saying ‘something must be done’ and start saying ‘something appropriate/sensible/suited to the purpose must be done’. Because the two concepts are different.

Yes. Howard is doing _something_. Yes. _Something_ should be done. But the somethings need to match and the somethings needing to be done to stop child abuse are not being done. Instead the things being done are the things Howard has wanted to do anyway i.e. destroy the permit system, undermine the Racial Discrimination Act and take land without paying just terms compensation.

Howard should be doing the appropriate things, and working that out might involve letting the Parliament discuss the matter rationally and might involve
- giving the community an opportunity to express their concerns
- listening to indigenous people and
- listening to those who have worked with indigenous people to address the problem of child abuse with chronically limited resources for all those decades when Howard was busy conducting his own agenda with his own ‘pendulum’ corrections. (Submission No. 4, from an enraged GP says ‘I have not come across one health professional who works with indigenous people who feels positively about the proposed changes.’)

These are good honest caring Australians… who should be Howard’s heroes, who are telling him again and again that he’s not doing the right ‘something’.

The GP’s who have moved to the NT to respond to the crisis are saying ‘don’t wreck the Permit system, it helps indigenous children.’ (Submission No. 48)

The psychologists working in the field are saying ‘don’t crash in here from a great height – talk to people about their plans and ask what they want to do to deal with the problems. If you don't do this you will end up making the situation worse for everyone… remember that indigenous people, indigenous parents are the ones who care more than anyone for their children and want to improve their lives.’ (Submission No. 61 and many more).
Australians who have found the time to make submissions to the enquiry are saying ‘Hold on… is this fair… is this right… is this the something I want to happen... and more to the point… will this stop the child abuse.’

(Submissions 68, 66, 65, 64, 63, 59, 576, 55 & etc etc).

These issues are too important to stuff up. The government is not God (or even close) so it just might make mistakes. If it doesn't pause to listen the damage that may be done is too terrible to contemplate.

That's Howard and the Government. But remember, the ALP, if you win government you will be left with the consequences of this almighty stuff up on your hands ... so THINK before you throw in your lot with this ideologically driven government - and it's an ideology not driven by concern for victims of child abuse. If it was they would listen, and think, before taking steps which it will be hard to undo.

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Jamie Gardiner
August 12th, 2007

Dear Senators:
The legislation for Howard's "indigenous emergency" requires thorough scrutiny, and therefore a proper inquiry, with realistic time frames to enable genuine consultation. First question you should investigate is why these 500 pages ignore the 97 recommendations of the report that this "emergency" is supposedly to act on. If you have any self respect left, don't just be Howard's rubber stamp. The welfare of children is a real issue; you rape the children again if you let their human rights be a mere pretext for action with entirely diferent, and ignoble, motivation.

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Julie Jenkins
August 12th, 2007

I am disgusted but unfortunately not surprised by the governments behaviour in this matter. John Howard has been made aware of this issue for a number of years but has chosed to ignore it until an election year.

Why has John Howard ignored the recommendations made by Rex Wild QC and Pat Andrews?

What is his reason for lack of consultation with the Aboriginal communities concerned?

Why is he pushing this legislation through without proper discussion ?

Why is he removing the land permits and imposing 5 year leases on Aboriginal land?

I hope the Senators will remember why they are there - that is not to be YES people to John Howard and his bully boy tactics.

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Michael Barnet
August 12th, 2007

I'm alarmed at the gradual erosion of individual rights and freedoms being perpetrated by the current government. Such rights have been won through a long evolution and much debate. To remove such rights and then gag debate is really going too far. I'm seeing Australia slowly heading in the direction of a right wing authoritarian undemocratic government. Im not just alert I'm truly alarmed.

Please at lease allow sufficient debate on critical issues such as for control of aboriginal lands, restirictions of freedoms and rights of free speech.

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mal jones
August 12th, 2007

You know this complex legislation requires more time to consider than John Howard has allowed. I'm worried that the Senate has become nothing but a rubber stamp as a result of government control.
This legislation is important and we want to make sure we get it exactly right in order to save the abused kids.
Does John Howard hold so much power OVER YOU that you will readily agree to his demand that this is rammed through the Senate in a way that it reduces our democratic right to have the legislation properly scrutinised?
Do not forget ladies and gentleman of the Senate that we live in a democracy and we the citizens of this country require the Senate to function in the way it was designed to.
It's not too late to stand up to John Howard because if you don't I will - at the ballot box. Don't forget that you Senators are our servants and we will vote you out if you don't serve us the way we request.

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John Haberecht
August 12th, 2007

Nobody argues against the need for protection of children, but this looks more and more like a poorly thought out, knee jerk, election year response to a report whose authors disagree strongly with the actions proposed by the government. Furthermore, community consultation is essential in any situation such as this, especially concerning the indigenous community, if interventions are to have any hope of success. And finally, there are many programs already in place which have been starved of funds, despite making a real difference - why is the government not working with these indigenous and other health professionals?

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angela palmer
August 12th, 2007

It is clear that PM Mr Howard has had for the last 11 years absolutely no clue and no care for the traditional land owners of this country. This knee jerk lesislation is the final insult to his blatent disregard for the rights of a people that have recently comfirmed to have occupied this land for 40 thousand years as well as a refusal to take any governemnt responsibility for abuses of the past.
It is rather amazing this is legal at all due to this lack of consultation...is there no obligation for the governement to adhere to their own laws? Can there be so sudden changes to the scale of this lesislation with regard to land tenure and access? If not i may just go off and decide to create my own bloody laws as there seems to be to need for us to follow laws that can be altered to suit the political climate at the time.
What a discrase. Senate...wake up!! You are paid to investigate and debate. Wake up and do what we pay you to do and stop this law being passed without consultation with those it effects.

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Andy Irvine
August 12th, 2007

So many federal programs have been scrapped following embarassing underperformance by Federal Departments, ie COAG, Shared Rsponsibility Agreements, CHIP , NAHS, employment programs etc.
Why the rush to do something of this scale when the Commonwealth has clearly demonstrated it does not have the ability to implement programs that are a tenth this size.
This will be a disaster and does not have to be. If this new impetus truly reflects a committment to change, then for once get it right for the sake of those it will have drastic impact on.
When the track record of centralised program management by senior public servants is as poor as it is, why would we make the same mistake again? What happens to all the people whose lives are turned upside down when it turns out this can't be done, or costs triple (as they will) or our attention turns to something else? These are far reaching changes that should at least be properly considered and discussed with those who will ultimately wear this for years to come.

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Maria Allen
August 12th, 2007

When will we learn from the mistakes of the past!!!
Communication is fundamental to finding solutions. There has been communication with the indigenous people in the past but no-one is listening, really HEARING.
How can politicians be so ignorant and arrogant not to consider what the indigenous people are saying??? If only they would take the TIME, to reflect on the past and the present issues.
Today is too concerned with speed, hopefully tomorrow will be concerned with people...

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Annie Kennedy
August 12th, 2007

The Little Children are Sacred report set down nine principles for engagement with Aboriginal people. Engagement with communities was seen as the means through which the issues of child abuse, violence and addiction could begin to be addressed. In establishing these principles at the front of the report, Pat Turner and Rex Wilder recognised that there is no solution without the involvement of those affected by and those experiencing these issues. I have been witnessing the unfolding of the Government's response in a Central Desert community since the inception of the 'emergency'. There is little in the government's response that demonstates any understanding of, or resourcing of, the need for local solutions. Flying in at huge cost are people who neither understand nor can deal with the complexities of community relationships and behaviours. There is no information in local language, nor is there plain English explanations of what is happening or why. Please give your voice to a call for dialogue....and ask that the Senate give Indigenous people themselves the chance to determine solutions that will work for them.

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Ginny Lowndes
August 12th, 2007

Ask yourself - Why is it that we spend trillions of dollars to fight costly wars to support and defend a dubious historical claim to Israel but remove basic human rights from our own people by taking their land, denying them information let alone justice or compensation, demonising them, shutting them out of our society and legislating to put them in Palestinian-style open air detention camps and prisons, guarded by our military? The Aborigines claim to their land is a lot more solidly documented and profound than any claim made by Israelis.

I would like you to make a mature decision to vote against this cynical, racist, bullying, elitist, piece of white legislation that is designed to dispossess the dispossessed and leave them hopeless and helpless again. It is can no longer be seen as yet another reprehensible action by pretentious middleclass politicians hell bent on social climbing using a human ladder - but a sickening attack on the very soul of our country.

The Aborigines have no voice - you have to speak for them.

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George Peterson
August 12th, 2007

What White Man giveth with the Left hand, White Man will Taketh Away with the Right.

The White Conservative majority in both houses is about to pass into law the methodology and legislative framework to destroy Land tenure for Indigenous Australia. Worse still it will do so by arguing that the "fair Compensation" that all white fellas expect and get when their land or property is taken by the State, for black fellas will be any Govt spending on services and facilities in the communityy. Thus the Constitution is used to legally "lease" land from Aborigines. And they get "paid" with the things WE ALL get for free and expect as a right!! The Constitution will now be used to rip up Land Title for Aborigines. We can't stop it, BUT we can OVERTURN IT, after the Election. We need a Senate that has an Indepenent/Green group holding the Balance of Power. Vale Peter Andren!!

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Sue Johnson
August 12th, 2007

Your comment You (politicians)are repeating the mistakes we have made for the past 200+ years. Please reconsider and allow more time for public debate and discussion, particularly with the people most affected by this legislation.

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Lorraine Ragless
August 12th, 2007

What a way for John Howard to end his career! Removing land rights from Aboriginal people will not make a hero of you in the history books, Mr Howard.
This is the same pattern as Iraq - find an excuse and undercover of that excuse - INVADE! Whose demands are you fulfilling , Mr Howard? They are certainly not Australian demands. It is a nuclear industry you want this time, with much American involvement. And in case you lose the election you want to disempower the Aboriginal people quickly. What God was that you said you believed in?

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Sue Johnson
August 12th, 2007

Your comment You (politicians)are repeating the mistakes we have made for the past 200+ years. Please reconsider and allow more time for public debate and discussion, particularly with the people most affected by this legislation.

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Frayne Dyke-Walker
August 12th, 2007

To the Senate

Before you rush into passing these laws can you please take the time to really see what is going on here.

Yes we need to get rid of child abuse but in every community not just the indigenous community. Some consultation with the whole community would be appreciated.

Ten years have elapsed with NO SORRY and no real debate about issues like health, education, land rights alone, confronting the Aboriginal community. I feel we all need to be assured that this isn't a blatant attempt to bargain basic rights away for land, uranium mining and nuclear waste dumping.

The Aboriginals have been around a lot longer than Holocene Man (and that is confirmed by John Howard's mate Prof Bob Carter), so please just take the time to think twice about rushing through this legislation without due diligence and the courtesy of input from ALL the parties involved. We have a lot we could learn, and such a paternalistic approach is not helping.

We don't want a repeat of the result of the IR Laws and the greedy rush of employers such as Damien Richardson who even had the cheek to appear in a television commercial promoting AWA fair play when he had even ripped off his own son.

Don't be responsible for rubber stamping more of John Howard's hasty election ploys. He should have been dealing with these issues 10 years ago - not leaving it till now.

I am ashamed that we are even having to have this dialogue.

Think before you use your rubber stamp or you will be saying SORRY for a very long time.

Frayne Dyke-Walker



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Ken Lyneham
August 12th, 2007

Saving abused children is no excuse for circumventing normal procedures of parliamentary process. Your desires to save, beggers belief, especially in light of your lack of concern in the past and in particular John Howard who was part of a political system who was still removing (stealing) children in the 70's. I am ashamed to say that I voted for the Liberel party instead of Mr. G. Whitlam, for he and his party did much more positive things for our aboriginal brothers and sisters, than the Libereal party could ever dream of. You are still forcing your opinions on the aboriginal community, as you have done in the past. Without consultation and communication there can be no reconciliation, not that you ever really wanted it. MOST FAIR MINDED AUSTRALIANS DO!

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Tim Sanderson
August 12th, 2007

As a child and educational psychologist, I observe that this legislation flies in the face of just, sound and appropriate interventions in the lives of indigenous people. It is neither evidence based-relating to the individual needs of identified children, nor community based-relating to the needs of identified 'at risk' communities. It is clearly an election stunt of the worst and most intimidating and patronizing kind. Do you in any measure expect to save the lives of indigenous children by these measures - what is your evidence and in what ways will these actions be known to be successful - and in what ways do these laws protect the long term human rights of all Australians, not just indigenous communities?

Unfortunately, this government has had its chance to promote and support our indigenous communities - it has failed spectacularly - and these laws simply and disastrously compound the ignorant and patronizing view this administration has of these children and these communities. We are all Australian, the crisis exists not in indigenous communities in the NT, but in the Cabinet office of the current government.

Yours Tim Sanderson, Child and Educational Psychologist.

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Jenny Sparkes Owen
August 12th, 2007

Check in to your heart space. It feels quite tight. After waiting for a short while, this is the answer that I have received.
I believe that the children need to be asked how we can change the environment to protect them. The rest is for the elders to discuss and it is not a political issue at all. Many white Australians may have lived aboriginal lifetimes previously. If this feels right to you on a very deep level, then we already have the answers, as we are still living in the Dreamtime. There is no separation, we are one tribe and this is our country. Please cut the posturing and arrogance on both sides and let's get the party started.

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Lisa Smith
August 12th, 2007

As a mother of three small children I am saddened and horrified by the findings of child sexual abuse and neglect in the Aboriginal Communities in the Northern Territory. I believe that something needs to be done and has needed to be done for many years.
The Federal Governments current approach to solving this problem does nothing to provide these communities and their children with skills and methods to go about changing their communities and lives for the better. It is a paternalistic and controlling approach that is both racist and lacking in respect for the most underprivileged people in our country.
By all means find the perpetrators and enlist a sense of trust in the communities and do it NOW. But do not go crashing into these communities with a military approach that has never worked anywhere else in the world, in the long term, and will only engender anger and resentment amongst the Aboriginal Community.
Go out and consult with the Aboriginal people who if trust is there will share the solutions and answers that they believe will help. Just look what the elders in Fitzroy Crossing, WA are trying to do. Empower our indigeneous people, don't take away any spot of self determination that they have fought so hard to achieve.
I join with a vast array of the Australian people in demanding that all Senators consult thoroughly, debate these laws with vigour and scrutinise these new laws so that all Australians can be proud of the way forward for our indigenous community.

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Marie Butcher
August 12th, 2007

Let's show our First People that we are prepared to support them financially and with respect and integrity to empower them to work for solutions with their people. At the end of this month there is a Women's Law Camp being held near Balgo. The Balgo women elders are the custodians of strong law. It will be through the women that their strength to battle the abuse in their community will come.

Let's also acknowledge the number of communities that this Law will punish yet they have built strong communities.
Please sit back and remember we have all come to this land. The Aboriginal People were the first so let's not treat them as second class citizens

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Marie Stannus
August 12th, 2007

As a non-Aboriginal teacher, from Tasmania, I would like to apologize for the continued paternalism and lack of understanding Aboriginal people are experiencing. In a small way we have suffered here in Tasmania. I worked in an Aboriginal program in a school which linked closely with community and had some success at re-orienting young ones at risk to education, done their own way. Unfortunately our way and our acceptance of young ones who had done it hard was not appreciated by school leaders and our program no longer exists. It has been heart-breaking, but nowhere near what people in traditional communities are now suffering. Keep struggling to be able to do it your way. It is vital that you do. We white Australians have a lot to learn.

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julie Fraser
August 12th, 2007

Senators, I do support measures to stop child abuse, and decrease unemployment and drug and alcohol abuse in Aboriginal communities but I don't support ending the permit system and ignoring the voices of Aboriginal people. As a non-Aboriginal person working with Aboriginal people for many years I have witnessed the difficulties most families on communities face especially due to overcrowding and lack of adequate housing. I live in rent free reasonable government housing yet my neighbours are forced to live in tents outside their house as 20 people can't fit in a 3 bedroom house.
Sincerely, Julie Fraser, Maningrida, ArnhemLand.

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Ian Dixon
August 12th, 2007

Whats so urgent?
Aboriginal people apparently kept their systems balanced and going for many millenia. We came in took over wrecked them in two hundred years. Now we have to change the rules again in a week ?
Not in my name. Vote to hear the voices of the people who know what they want, not those of the snap decisions under cover of a fake compassion. Lets slow down and listen to what Aboriginal are wanting, place by place. Not what
John or Mal think might be good or handy or quick fix, but what will last and help the country heal, please.
Whatver that 500 pages may be called, I hope its printed single sided so can be reused for something useful ...

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Margaret Corrie (warri warru)
August 12th, 2007

I am appalled at the Australian Governemnt, both levels are bickering over the rights of the indigenous population and how we should or should not be treated, I do know we are being treated as nothing more than slaves,second class citizens, items of little worth to anybody not even the United Nations as they raggle off opinions of how to handle or deal with this innopportune matter, The fact of the matter is we the indigenous population of this land which was proven to stolen from us by a High Court order, have allowed this to happen.
We have so many educated academics of such high acclaim doing their own little bit, or having a say yet it is done as a gesture of self acclaim, or a group of minority people of each state having a say regarding each state or territory, never as a group of many or a voice of one united peoples.
We should have the right to elect our own ambassodors and parliment, we should not wait till we are told we can do this, we should start now electing our leaders who will represent us to the UN as an elected peoples Government of the Indigenous peoples of this land and dissalow all laws made without our consultation nul and void.
We are many yet we are one, we are free born to our land and this government must learn we will not be stopped, nor will we be shutup, we will fight on for the right to self determination.

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Christine Achjian
August 12th, 2007

WHY the haste ??? Election ??? Ridiculous to ask for a senate review at such short notice and if the senate is a house of review this legislation MUST be delayed,at best,and decent attention paid to ALL aspects of this over bearing action. I can not trust our government anymore.

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Liz Mildenhall
August 12th, 2007

I urge all senators to think very carefully about the best ways to assist indigenous communities and NOT to repeat past mistakes. Consult with the aboriginal people, listen and learn about what is needed and how the government can help to solve the problems being faced. Taking away people's responsibilities, rights, land, money, permit system are a sure recipe for failure.

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Jayn Hobba
August 12th, 2007

I fully support the rights of all indigenous citizens in this and all the battles they face. I'll stand alongside you as long as I live.

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Angela Davies
August 12th, 2007

To all Senators

It is a well known fact that we learn 'parenting' directly from our own parents (as Aborigines have done successfully for thousands of years). However many of todays Aboriginal grandparents were stolen away from their parents and placed in missions to be trained as the cheap labour on which this nation was built - and who was doing the abusing then?


If the Prime Minister's radical 'emergency' plan for Indigenous communities in the Northern Territory is passed by the senate, it will set democracy back by a hundred years. We can only assume that past goverments acted as they did through extreme ignorance, certainly not with any humanity. This excuse will not do today. We, the general public, who elected you to make decisions on OUR behalf expect you to act with respect for the rights of ALL Australians, in particular, the original owners of the land we occupy. PLEASE stop and LISTEN. Demand MORE TIME to come to a united concensus on the right course of action.

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Naomi Cartledge
August 12th, 2007

Senators, please vote against the Mal Brough legislation!As soon as I heard that the federal government was going to resume indigenous land, and get rid of the permit system, I smelt a rat! I believe that the abused children in the NT are just an excuse, for the Howard government to put in place their ideological plans for the NT, to open more areas for uranium mining, and to turn parts of this beautiful country into waste dumps for nuclear waste.

There's no mention of a joint and empowering relationship with indigenous people, the NT government, and all the skilled people who know the horrors of being disadvantaged, but are still committed. The heavy handed approach, military and police involvement is an insult to the majority of wonderful people who love and care for their kids. It smacks of the paternalistic and pratonizing attitudes of decades ago, and by a government that has no real commitment to social justice. If the horrific statistics that are the reality of indigenous people, were evidenced in the broader community, there'd be a riot - and rightly so!

This government has an appalling record of neglect and scaling down both funding and commitment to aboriginal disadvantage. With less that half a million indigenous people, it angers and saddens me, that 11 years have been so ruthlessly wasted. As a non-indigenous woman, who voted in the 1967 Referendum, I feel ashamed of the appalling statistics that are manifestations of criminal neglect in health, education, housing and employment. To think, that in this prosperous country of which we are reminded of ad nauseum, the infant mortality rate of aboriginal babies is almost 3 times higher than the rest of the community. That the life expectancy of indigenous people is 17 years less than the rest of the country. What a disgrace!

There's a saying, that you can tell a lot about the 'soul' of a country, by the way it looks after its very young, the very old, the weak and the vulnerable, the sick and the dead. We should all hang our heads in shame. No member of the Howard government has the right to keep chanting the mantra of budget surpluses and economic prosperity - it's meaningless, insulting and arrogant. Huge surpluses only prove, that the people are suffering huge deficits in the important things of life, health, education, housing and employment, to name just 4.

Senators have an ideal opportunity, to emphatically demand of the Howard government, to follow the recommendations of the Little Children Are Sacred report, the Bringing Them Home report, and the Aboriginal Deaths In Custody report. They are all relevant to substance abuse, alcoholism, domestic violence and child abuse, and the adnormally high numbers of indigenous people in jails around the country. This vital action should have adequate funding, and inject $500 billion into health needs as a matter of urgency. The public must be afforded the courtesy of being engaged in dialogue, and the aboriginal communites must be involved in every activity. Anything less will only produce more failures, of which their may be no way to rectify.
Lest We Forget! I certainly won't!

What is evident by the protests of competent and capable people, who have been screaming for 20 years for a commitment to address domestic violence and child abuse; who've been banished by senior advisers, secretaries and others in the Howard government, as nuisance value for repeating the assertions of many painful realities. It is too much to expect us to believe, that after the populist responses of the PM, coupled with the many lies that have been pushed in front of us, that Howard and his ministers are fair dinkum. I don't believe it, and it's their own fault. One(10) lie too many!!!!

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Margaret Corrie ( warri warru)
August 12th, 2007

Our Land Our Voice, Loud and Clear about the racism enacted against us the Aboriginal Population of this alnd, the first Peoples of this Land, the traditional owners.
We have been pushed once too often into the corner, push an angry dog once too often and watch it bite.
We are ready to bite, no one wanted to take responsibility for us prior to this NT incidence, now both the sitting parliment and the opposition want to have a say of so called relevance towards us.
Is this not a Democratic Country? then we have the democratic right to ignore the legislation as racially implied so as to enslave us in a free world.
We shall not be ignored any longer, we will speak up as one voice, we will not be enslaved any longer, our right to a free voice is enabled by the right of being born in a democratic country which professes freedom and equality to all.

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DARCY J SMITH.
August 12th, 2007

I know what's going to happen as a result of your blind attempt to rush this legislation. millions and millions of dollars will be spent(half a billion). Almost all of this money will end up paying off white mans investment properties ( mortgages). the aboriginal industry(white mans administrators) will win again. The black society will lose out. If you want to change the situation give everything a big shake up, both white & black. Keep it real take your time and get it right.

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Annie McCall
August 12th, 2007

In the short time that I have had to peruse this legislation I can highlight a number of devastating unanticipated outcomes. These include and are not limited to the following:
• The nominated recipient of that Family Tax Benefit of which 50% will be held for priority purchases is usually the Mother. Mothers can have a number of children and will now be under more pressure to be present to make the purchases at the Community Store. This may result in fraud being committed as mothers cannot always get away from their direct or other family responsibilities and may have to send another person with their card and pin or identification.
• Community members pay ceremonial dancers in tobacco. This is a prohibited item yet is a practice that pre-dates white man.
• Community members live on a combination of bush tucker and food from the Community Store the 50% is really over the top for a Mother who has 4-5 children, who live on barramundi, crab and oysters and top up with food from the store.
• The section that states if a debt is owed to Centrelink this is not taken into account when allocating the 50% is criminal. The debt may be owed due to a Centrelink error and may in the future, as these ‘real jobs’ become apparent , become more commonplace as Indigenous people in the NT try to get their head around pre-estimating your family income and reporting that to Centrelink in order to get your level of FTB.

Please note that I have lived and worked in Arnhem Land and I know many families whose children go to school and are healthy and are not being abused. These families also at times have to be able to gather their finances together to organise funerals and other ceremonies which can include plane tickets. Sectioning 50% of FTB is problematic as it creates more stress for certain people mainly Mothers. These families should not be penalised with such draconian legislation.

Using the Special Measures section in the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 is problematic with regard to the restriction placed on the purchasing of goods. In Gerhardy v Brown Justice Brennan recognised that a law or condition (or policy) will constitute a special measure if:

It confers a benefit on some or all members of a class, and membership of this class is based on race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin;

It is for the sole purpose of securing adequate advancement of the group so that they may enjoy and exercise equally with others, their human rights and fundamental freedoms;

The protection given is necessary so the group may enjoy and exercise equally with others, their human rights and fundamental freedoms.

It is important to note that Justice Brennan qualified this by saying that:

The wishes of the members of the class are relevant - a special measure will not bring about advancement if it is conferred against the group's will, and similarly, an advancement cannot confer benefits which convert members of the class from a disadvantaged class into a privileged class;

The special measure must not maintain separate rights; and
The special measure must not be continued after the objectives for which they were taken have been achieved - although this does not mean that it is necessary that the special measure be created with a finite time for its existence. (Source HREOC’s website)

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Dorothy Forbes
August 12th, 2007

Little Johnnie Howard, always knew you were as crooked as your teeth..Simple Simon would be a better name 4 you. Bowing and cow-towing to George W.(wimp)Bush. Weapons of mass destruction indeed....well! that link-up certainly brought Terrorism to the masses. Oh! Can't leave out Kevin. Hi There Kevin, you wannabe tarred and feathered
with the same brush as "Little Simple Johnnie". I was really taking a liking to Mr. Kevin too, but when you stand up with Simple Johnnie to be a part of the downfall of our indigenous peoples, who I might add, are already down on their knees, and all they are asking for is help from "THE BIG WHITE FELLAS". Why in the name of Heaven doesn't somebody up-there(CANBERRA)&(HEAVEN TOO)listen to these elders. Find out what is needed, and at long last, between both parties make it work!!! Finally, to let you know that the people of Australia is now remembering that the P.M. has made big, I mean BIG deals, with George W. Bush (GOD) and others for the uranium mining rights. I am praying really hard, this is not the reason for the
Governments heavy handling of the Aboriginal People. They (the aboriginal people) must have their permits returned
with no-strings attached, the five year tenure on THEIR LAND renewed to LIFETIME POSSESSION & KEEPING. AFTER ALL. "THIS LAND IS THEIR LAND" DON'T LET IT BE A DUMPING GROUND FOR THE PLANETS TOXIC WASTE. LET EACH COUNTRY KEEP THEIR OWN TOXIC WASTE. EVEN TO BE PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR DUMPING SUCH WASTE IS EVIL....

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elizabeth haynes
August 12th, 2007

I have read the pages and pages of messages that Getup has assembled. They all strongly disagree with the proposed legislation. I add my own strong opposition to this hastily prepared and poorly reviewed material, which is an insult to Parliamentary democracy.

Given that the Minister is no mood to listen, the important thing for now is for parliamentary representatives to keep the implimentation of this legislation under extremely close scutiny and to change it or even scrap it as its unwanted effects are revealed - as they will be.

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Maryanne McKay
August 12th, 2007

Child sexual abuse is a nation-wide emergency and has been for many years. In Australia, rates of sexual assault* are 1 in 4 girls before 18, 1 in 6 boys before adulthood and 1 in 3 adult women in their life time, NATIONALLY. Child sexual abuse is NOT an Aboriginal crisis - it is a NATIONAL crisis. The approach of the Australian Government in the Northern Territory is racist and abhorrent. I demand that issues of abuse are addressed nationally and not be portrayed as a black problem. I demand the Senate do not pass the proposed legislation.

*ABS Women's Safety Survey 1996, ABS People Safety Survey 2006.

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Phillip Gray
August 12th, 2007

My understanding of the Senate is that it is a house of revue, and it is the States' house. You Senators are not there to do the political bidding of your lower house power mongers, you are there to represent the states and do what is in the best interests of the states and the citzens of those states. I demand from you an explaination of how you plan to adequately and honestly revue, consult, discuss and amend as necessary 500 pages of legislation - all within 2 days! This is going to have such an impact on our Aboriginal Brothers and Sisters, and all you can give to it is 2 days! If this goes through, then you who support it, are both collectively and individually, guilty of not honouring your individual States and their citizens. I will support any move to publicly name you individuals. Remember, half of you are up for re-election in the next few months.

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Judy Kay
August 12th, 2007

How dare they continue to treat aborigines in this way? Compared to N.Z. and the U.S. we are seen by the rest of the world as racist because of our suppression of aboriginal culture and rights. I can defend Australia on most issues of race but never on Aboriginal treatment and we can no longer blame the British.

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declan kelly
August 12th, 2007

Without a doubt there are some problems that need rectifying in the Northern Territory, indigenous people themselves will tell you that. There are some parts of this bill that are warranted and badly needed. But it needs to be examined much more thoroughly than it has been at present. The Government's approach, as with many of their other initiatives regards Indigenous affairs, is ad hoc and insensitive. I and many other Australians implore the Senators to review these bills with a greater vigour. Rushing them through will further disenchant Indigenous people and increase the size of the chasm which we as a nation have to cross before reconciliation can be achieved. Might I add that the last ten years of regressive government hasn't done anything to help with regards this last point.

First and foremost the job of a government should be to look after it's people. These bills may be cloaked in that sentiment but they do not contain very much of the soul of it.

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Suzanne Spiers
August 12th, 2007

For any policy decisions about Aboriginal communities or welfare issues it is essential that there is consultation with the Aboriginal people in those communities and Aboriginal representation at the highest level in discussion and decision making. Aboriginal processes to decision making are never rushed and require time for deeper spiritual processes to occur. For the best results, particularly for long term issues and basic human rights, anything rushed through by our current political system is highly likely to be totally on the wrong track.

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Marion Giles
August 12th, 2007

Senators please assess this intervention legislation with the seriousness it deserves. It is seriously flawed in its lack of consultation with Indigenous leaders. It is being rammed through due process - perhaps to escape further explanations of the Federal Governments strange reasoning in meddling with the hard won benefits of the NT Land Rights Act. It will serve to undermine any self-determination and independance experienced by communities living on thier homelands and negates any current successful community programs in the name of military stle law and order with no long-term response. Any legislation that is to be successful against the crimes of child sexual assault must be worked up with community consultation and cannot be simply imposed by a higher authority who may have other agendas. Suspicion, mistrust and a further blow to Indigenous rights will only result if the senate passes this legislation un-ammended.
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Rosemary Horton
August 12th, 2007

Taking over land does not help one child, nor ever will. It ,of course, does get a whole lot of economic power when you steal uranium and other mineral resources. As a land grab it may be a success,in no other way does taking over land bring anyone any closer to helping any child. Think about the children, not money. Why haven't you taken over Victoria? With the lowest level of indigenous population...and the highest rate of child abuse? Providing basic health care, education and law will make a difference, and has in some places where is has been tried. Stealing land ,no way. Please vote for justice and basic human rights. Unless you are going to resume the houses of every man convicted of child abuse? No? Where will his family live, you say..exactly!

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Frederick Benbow
August 12th, 2007

"500 pages of controversial legislation, a paltry one-day Senate hearing, and merely two days of debate".........
for our senators to allow this to happen must mean they consider themselves as being possessors of extraordinary intellect!
Ross Benbow

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Colin Arthur Suggett
August 13th, 2007

This legislation is too important to be passed without proper consideration and full consultation with the stakeholders, particularly the aboriginal community themselves.

Don't mess it up!

Colin Suggett
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Margaret Walsh
August 13th, 2007

Your comment What hypopcracy! What total lack of respect! These problems have been known for so long & totally ignored. The situation has been created by our governments, mainly the coalition govt & now is being cynically used for a land grab. And to give such an impossible time frame for the consideration of 500 pages of recommendations!!! The Senate needs to prove its worth by ensuring that help & support for aboriginal communities comes out of this fiasco not just a land grab & a grab for election votes from a public either not informed or not interested in the realities of the issue.
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christin coralive
August 13th, 2007

Australia of all the OECD countries spends by far the least on our children under five. This is so shameful. How did we slide to the bottom of the heap when it comes to investing in our most valuable resource. Our children. Surely as a nation blessed with huge resources with a small population this leaves us with no excuses for where this country is at currently in relation to child protection amongst our Indigenous/non-indigenous children both out there and in my neighbourhood.
Please don't add to the evil effects the long line of colonisers that somehow still believe that they are superior, have had on we the colonised.

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Dorothy Forbes
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators, I was really hoping it was April 1st, but it's not. YOU CANNOT IN YOUR WILDEST DREAMS THINK OF SINGNING THIS BILL AND PASSING IT. DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN. YOU KNOW IN YOUR HEART THAT THIS IS NOT RIGHT. THE ABORIGINAL PEOPLE HAVE FOUGHT SO HARD TO TRY AND GET THROUGH TO VARIOUS SENATORS. ALL ATTEMPTS HAVE BEEN IGNORED. NOW I TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO VOTE FOR AN ALL ABORIGINAL PARTY FOR A SEAT IN THE SENATE. IT WOULD SERVE THEIR PURPOSE BETTER WITH A VOICE OF THEIR OWN.

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Wendy Richards
August 13th, 2007

I write as an educator and one who has the utmost respect and admiration for aboriginal people
Shame John Howard for pulling yet another Tampa stunt (pre election) and pretending to care about children and aboriginal people
I was recently in the Western Desert and saw huge mining camps being set up just outside Aboriginal lands waiting permission to proceed with their mining exploration.It is very clear to me what the real motive behind the govt grab of land is about.
I urge all Senators to vote against the bill. Its been too rushed

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Andrea de Kauwe
August 13th, 2007

I fervently urge all senators to OPPOSE THIS LEGISLATION. This legislation is NOT being brought before the parliament with the intention of rescuing indigenous Australian children from abusive acts (can someone please coherently and honestly explain to us what the permit system and the 5-year lease system have to do with child abuse?). The motivation behind this legislation is perhaps more sinister than what is currently taking place in some indigenous communities. And the repercussions of such legislation will only lead to continued trauma amongst our indigenous communities.

My key arguments:

1. Given the Howard government’s track record on indigenous affairs (especially their unwillingness to respond to this tragedy until now), they are in no moral position to dictate to anyone how to deal effectively with the crisis in our indigenous communities.

2. The parliament has NOT been provided with sufficient time to consider and debate this long and complex piece of legislation that will significantly affect the lives of indigenous Australians.

3. The people with whom this legislation affects, i.e. our indigenous communities and their leaders, have NOT been adequately or genuinely consulted on this grossly invasive bill with its far-reaching effects.


DON’T VOTE FOR A BILL THAT YOU HAVEN’T ENGAGED WITH COMPLETELY.

DON’T VOTE FOR THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION BECAUSE YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE TO DO “SOMETHING”.

The problem of child abuse in our indigenous (and non-indigenous) communities is traumatic, deeply distressing and DOES require urgent attention. But it requires genuine attention. And we can only tackle it by engaging honestly with indigenous leaders and communities, and engaging with them from a position of equality and understanding of the events that have created the atmosphere in which such appalling behaviour can occur.

I am deeply disturbed about the continued erosion of the dignity, rights and future of indigenous Australians. If this piece of legislation passes the Senate without adequate consultation and debate, I will be ashamed to call myself an Australian.

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Kim Dravnieks
August 13th, 2007

I deplore the manner in which this legislation is being rushed through parliament without any proper consultation with the indigenous people.

Will this be like the Iraq war - jump in head first and find out later the mistakes that have been made when they are too hard to fix.

I urge all senators to think very carefully about this piece of legistlation and ask if this will actually make any aboriginal children safer in the long term. Will it make them feel secure OR will it make them feel abused, yet again, by the Australian government.

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Neville Brian McGinty
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators
As an Australian of Aboriginal descent, I am truly concerned and upset at what looks like another Tampa affair.

After 11 years of not acting on any Recommendations put forward by experts looking to help our Indigenous brothers and sisters, Mr John Howard takes emergency action with little or no consultation with those that matter, the Indigenous people themselves.

I believe it is up to Senators to look at this bill closely and offer real amendments back to the Lower House. This does not need a "Rubber stamp", which is not good government.

Otherwise this bill will be a classic case of:
DECIDE IN HASTE, REPENT AT LEISURE.

Please stand up for this country's 2% of the population which just needs proper education, health and housing, not further knocking of their spirit.

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lynn lobo
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators,

I am in total disbelief that this is happening and feel deeply ashamed and disappointed that I live in a county with such a racist government who at present holds so much power. The invasion of indigenous communites is ill-conceived, to be polite. Not a good start without any consultation. But then to revoke the permit system is such an obvious repetition of the ignorance of white settlement. No wonder John Howard can't say sorry! Shame on this government.

Our indigenous sisters and brothers have problems because we have such deeply entrenched problems as a society. They are part of us and we need to listen carefully and make a thoughtful response in dialogue with them. I ask the Senate to not continue with this mistake, slow things down and give this issue more thought and dialogue amongst yourselves and with our indigenous leaders.

Yours Sincerely, Lynn Lobo

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carolyn burton
August 13th, 2007

To the Australian Federal government.

To the senate.

And specifically to john howard.

Stop riding rough-shod over Australian's Rights.

Howard's latest swindle :- fixing the problem of Australia's Indiginous
People's "disfunctuon?".

What howard is really aspiring to accomplish is to clear the path to Nuclear
Mining,Trading,Exporting, Enriching, and "Nuclear Waste Storage" with "No
Tedious Encumbrances such as native titles,land rights, and Indiginous
communities".

Howard would disenfranchise the Rightful Inheritors of this nation. Deny
Indiginous citizens their share of respect and prosperity, their spiritual
wellbeing. And in so doing, deny, rob caucasian Australia of Self Esteem,
National Pride, a justifiable sense of Fair Play, Ethical Behavour, and a Moral
stance on a Human Rights Issue.

If Australia allows howard's government to get away with this obsessive sell
out to Capitalist Compunction then where do we finally draw the line, decide a
limit to exploitation and maintain our Human Conscience.

The next federal election is arguably the most crucial decision Australians
have ever faced. How many more wars do we want to fight, how long will we accept
procrastination over the health and wellbeing of Our planet. How long will we
silently condone Human Rights Abuses on Our Own turf. When will we as a nation
take Our place as truly tall poppies on the International stage.

Will we continue to salute on call? Do another nations Killing for them? Bow
and scrape to the almighty master of delusions?

Or will we call for a new direction, a sustainable strategy, aspire to a nobler
response to a faultering sociology.

Come on Australia GetUp!



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garry gray
August 13th, 2007

it seems the Howard feds are yet again taking a narrow all-guns-blazing approach to complex and difficult issues that reach accross all of australia, not just the NT... this potential attack on Indigenous Rights harkens back to the old Peter Reith promise to "roll back the racial discrimination act"... rendering 'Mabo' decisions imposssible...i wouldn't want to sound cynical here, but are there interests beyond the well being of aboriginal people at stake here?....

beilieve it or not the world is watching: people in europe saw the "no sorry" response from the government during the olympics; Australia lost friends with Tampa....and these dark moves are being noticed....

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Derek Cameron
August 13th, 2007

Legislation with a potential impact such as these laws must not be rushed through the Parliament. It is important that the issues be fully canvassed, especially those which have aroused indigenous concerns.

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Tony Langmaid
August 13th, 2007

Imperialism has never been in the interests of Indigenous people regardless of the issue. It is a matter of historical fact that, gererally, the perpetrators of "The Stolen Generation" believed (or convinced themselves) that their actions were in the best interests of the children they relocated..... we know that, WE ALSO KNOW THAT due to that poorly developed and implemented policy, what a travesty it inflicted on many hundreds of aboriginal children and their families, and the shame it placed in the minds of fair thinking people of wider Australia. This new piece of legislation shows just how little 'benevolent' Australian bureaucrats have learned since those dark days of Australian history and demonstrates how damaging rushed and poorly thought out legislation can be! (The practices of the stolen generation only ceased less than 40 years ago and here we are implementing something very similar now).
NOW, this is YOUR opportunity, to illustrate to the Aboriginal people across Australia, and also to the wider Australia, that our elected leaders really do respect human rights. You can do this by developing more effective legislation that embraces and strengthens Indigenous rights, by demonstratively, developing and implementing an intervention strategy through intelligent legislation that will enable an action plan, developed in partnership with identified Indigenous community leaders, who have been the most effective in the protection of children's rights to date. There are many of them looking towards YOU to be more effective in helping them in the task of protecting children. YOU know that this can be achieved through additional resources and additional POSITIVE assistance so that they can help their communities deal with this heart-wrenching problem. Do not expect them to buy assistance with 40 pieces of silver in the form of land-rights for future generations. Reject and rethink this legislation. Think about the long term negative implications this legislation will bring. Instead, demand that more time be given, to develop a bipartisan, community endorsed alternative plan, that is not the result of rushed legislation for the sake of an election outcome!

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Gail Mensinga
August 13th, 2007

The integrity of the senate is no more, as the senate stands it is just a mechanism for howard to continue to abuse his powers and have no consultation and debate. There is no longer any democracy in Australia. To me this is a parralell to the terrorism laws and we have all witnessed with Dr Haneff how they can be abused and australian people can have their rights taken away from them based on lies and deception by those in positions of authority. As for the laws dealing with peadophiles in any community our Government has been inept as they give such light sentences to predators of children and move them back into other communties to violate many other children.The abuse affects their development for years and has been seen as the health problem of the decade.Look at what justice Woods said, words to the effect that if this naked unchecked power is allowed to remain it will so destabilise our communities it will reak of annarchy etc.Woods at that time was talking about corruption in the police force.Our laws and our communities black and white are being so destabilised because of the naked unchecked misuse of power being used by Howard and the senate. The people of Australia are taking action to expose the total misuse of power of the people. What has land tenure got to do with child abuse at all. You should be ashamed that you will exploit the chronic abuse of women children and men to gain land tenure. This is no longer a democracy it is bodering on fascism. You are exposing yourself and your machinery of Governement to be so corrupted. You have lost respect and trust of the people for whom you govern.I am appauled by Howard and what he and his government are doing by a total misuse of power.Look 500 pages of legislation and a one day senate hearing and two days of debate for laws that will dramatically effect land tenure, health, welfare and the rights of aboriginal communities. If this is allowed to remain it will affect all Australian communities. Problems of child abuse must be addressed but this proposed legislation is not the answer. We need workable solutions based on evidence not fear or lies and deception. We need vigourous debate and rigourous scrutiny of this proposed law. Stop this abuse of the australian people.

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Judy Garrecht
August 13th, 2007

I urge all of you to reconsider the dangereous, deceitful and heavy handed ways the issues of the Northern Territory are being handled. We All know that there is a hidden agenda with this government. Let's all band together and show them that Indigeneous people are the rightful landowners of these lands and as such must have their rights recognised and protected. Do NOT take away their permit system. Child protection is paramount in ALL cultures and yet this governement is using heavy handed tactics under the guise of child protection. I don't see you sending in the troops to other cultures issues (within Australia that is).
SHAME ON YOU JOHN HOWARD!

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August 13th, 2007

As a decent Australian, I beg you to halt the Federal boots and all step-in over Northern Territory Aboriginal communities on the issue of child abuse.
This action lacks the consultation and depth of a serious child abuse plan and is clearly an attempt to wipe decades of land rights progress off the map.
Communities and children will suffer from this re-enactment of colonial dispossession.
The actions of this government point to an interest in Northern Territory land and they have already shown they are willing to override Territory government jurisdiction.
I entreat you to help steer Australia back towards being a democracy.

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Alison McConnell-Imbriotis
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators

I have grave concerns regarding the legislations enabling the radical intervention of the Federal Government into the Northern Territory Indigenous communities currently before the Parliament

When you review this legislation please consider the following points:

Can you apply the test: If this is the best action let us apply it to the whole Australian community which includes my own family, if you have any dicomfort with that then the legislation should not be passed as is.

Consider these propositions: Given that alcohol is deemed to involved in so many car fatalities, health issues, domestic violence , dysfunctional family relations including sexual abuse then why don't we apply this ban on alcohol to all Australians?
If examining all children under the age of 16 for the purpose of identifying sexual abuse is the best approach then why do we not examine all children in Australia under the age of 16? Sexual abuse and domestic violence does not occur simply in indigenous communities - it occurs throughout Australia and does not respect class or economic boundaries- so if we are to accept that this is the best approach then you as an idividual should be prepared to declare and solemnly swear to accept that you will be ruled and subjected to the same legsilation.

Why do we not send the military into areas of Sydney that are predominantly populated with people with Irsih ancestory, or Greek ancestory, or Latvian, Spanish, Welsh etc ?

Also examine in your hearts if you are prepared to go down in history as passing legislation that further undoes some of the mechanism whereby Indigenous Australians and all that they hold and offer us as a nation is made more valid. I spent many years in a regional centre and there was precious little support for indigenous people who were working to support their communities, who were effecting wonderful changes.
Ask what the real long term consequences will be?
Ask why there is no time to really consider the legislation - can you say that you have really been able to consider it? Fully?

Howard uses the device whereby people can 'other ' a group in society in order to define and identify themselves as part of the moral majority (the single parent issue, the Tampa issue and now the Sexual abuse/Indigenous card. Why has he chosen this time for this action?

Ask what has happened to the recommendations of the 97 report.
Ask the Indigenours people across Australia what they want.

When the great wisdom held by all the knowledge holders in the indigenous community is truly heard, repsected and supported then we will start to move towards a more equitable society.

If you are really serious about changing indigenous lives psuh for more funds to be diverted to health care, consultative and innovative educational approaches that recognise the richness and sophistication of indigenous knowledge, ways of acknowledging the wrongs that have been done and finding "what makes it good to go forward" .

Focus on supporting the good work that is being done by indigenous people and enabling long term collaborative solutions. They might not make such a good media 20 second grab- but they will lwill truly change the lives of our young indigenous people giving them pride, the ability to walk two worlds, and enabling them to strengthen our country as a whole.

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Peter Knox
August 13th, 2007

Dear Lawmakers,
Have you done the same thing when child abuse has been discovered in white communities? No. Have you taken white people's property away because one person in a community has been abusing children? No. Is this legislation racist? Yes. Are there better ways to tackle child abuse? Yes. Is democracy being trodden on once again by the government of this country? Yes.

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Lee Merrett
August 13th, 2007

Please don't let our racist Prime Minister's latest vote-catcher become yet another abominable regression to the dark ages and another reason for Australians to be ashamed of our own country. Intelligent Australians see it for what it is - an eleventh hour attempt by Howard to be seen to be doing something after having ignored the problems facing indigenous Australians for over a decade. Shame on YOU if you don't prevent the passing of any legislation that will ill-affect indigenous Australians, and indeed all Australians. We trusted you enough to put you in power - now it's time for you to do the honourable thing you are paid to do.

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Christine Bennett
August 13th, 2007

Bill is a Human Rights Intervention (sent to Senators)

The Intervention Bill discriminates against Northern Territory indigenous communities and threatens the fabric of international human rights. The Federal Government is focused on taking control over indigenous land from communities in the Northern Territory for proposed nuclear dump sites. What does this nuclear agenda have to offer NT indigenous children? Vote 'NO' to this outrage.

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Hannah Reardon-Smith
August 13th, 2007

The action taken is a cop out - a "quick fix" designed to show that the government is truly doing something (all of a sudden, note upcoming election) to fix these problems THAT HAVE EXISTED FOR DECADES. This is not fair on the people affected, they deserved a helping hand a long time ago and it was never offered. Education is the key to creating a more positive future for the children in these communities. Please, look for a more long term solution, a less forceful form of action, a helping hand, positive reinforcement over negative reinforcement. And positive reinforcement does not come only in the form of welfare payments! Start from the roots of the problem to fix the problem, start with education - knowledge opens everyone's eyes. Thank you.

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james tobin
August 13th, 2007

Why is the Howard Government so racist? This has got nothing to do with children and everything to do with a land and stripping away indigenous rights. This smells very similar to the way that Hitler used the fire at the Reichstag by blaming it on the communists in order to obtain further power on the back of fear...
Wake up Howard we are not that stupid!
If it is really so important then give it more than 5 minutes of debate and properly address the issues rather than uing this as an opoertunistic land grab!

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Jim Lowe
August 13th, 2007

Interventions of the type proposed and being implemented by the Federal Government are proven failures without consultation with and inclusion of the local population, even when following the informed recommendations of experts. This plan does none of these. This frantic pre-election rush to *any* quick action belies the longstanding nature of this problem and the long term financial commitment that will be required to resolve it which the Howard Government has been, and continues to be, unwilling to provide.

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Sonia van den Berg
August 13th, 2007

Yet again our government fails to understand that Aboriginals are people with problems caused by a 'white' attitude of superiority. The government's proposal to solve problems in Aboriginal communities by imposing white values is nothing short of disrespectful. Aboriginal communities may need help but they certainly don't need to be bullied by a government who seems committed to destroying a race that doesn't conform to their ideals - isn't that what has led to many problems in Aboriginal communities in the previous century? The proposed legislation is another backwards step.

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David Lehmann
August 13th, 2007

While I agree that urgent and immediate action is required to stop what is a crisis beyond belief, there must be measured thought and careful planning when it comes to the actual legislation. Knee jerk responses made under the giddy heat and pressure of the moment will never yield the best result.
In the immediate, do what so desperately needs to be done, but when it comes to finally actually fixing the problem, do it properly and stop turning one of the worlds great humanitarian crisis' into a politicking self serving exercise of smoke and mirrors where the victims remain the victims and the only people to benefit are the politicians and money makers.
This is a chance to really fix this problem... don't F**K it up!

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August 13th, 2007

After 11 years of government and numerous reports into major problems in Indigenous communities, suddenly we need to rush through legislation in a matter of days. Why the urgency? Why the lack of debate? Why avoid consulting with Indigenous communities? I hazard a guess that the reasons to all these questions is that the legislation has fundamental problems that the government does not want to discuss. Short term political fix of long term solution ? - easy choice really with an election just months away. All Senators should be asking themselves whether this is the best we can do?

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Liz Thornton
August 13th, 2007

I have never felt so ashamed of my adopted country.This was a land of feisty people who were quick to say what they thought even if they upset others.Nowadays Fear has eroded the sense of self which looked after others and now it seems like the creed is Look after yourself because noone else will.The Neocons are winning the war against terrorism all right....just I never saw myself as a terrorist until recently after all I am white,have blue eyes scottish ancestry.We all know that terrorists have brown eyes and dark eyebrows {Except those in the white house!}

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Heather Verkade
August 13th, 2007

It is so important that we get the legislation right when we try to improve the situation for aboriginal Australians, we simply cant afford to have seriously flawed legislation passed without discussion, debate, review, and considerable consultation with the very people who are most affected by them.
I urge you to knock this politically-motivated racist legislation back so that the issues can be addressed in an effective, long-lasting and inclusive manner instead.

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Rosemary Walters
August 13th, 2007

YourIt is astonishing how John Howard has managed to drag the behaviour of politicians down to their lowest depths. People like Phillip Ruddock, Alexander Downer and Mr Brough would have been relatively harmless, if mediocre, men if lead by John Hewson. Instead, due to their own lack of principles, they have allowed John Howard to turn them into criminals of various sorts. It is utterly shameful that Ruddock, Howard and Downer should be charged as war criminals but this new crime against the Aboriginal people exceeds even that. Using the excuse of child abuse, the Liberal crims are stealing Aboriginal land with vague promises of compensation. When was the last time you believed a Howard promise? Were you ever that naiive? And the truth is that no compensation can ever justify this theft. Please stop the Government from continuing with this ruthless, greedy crime. comment

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matthew sutton
August 13th, 2007

I am appalled at the lack of consultation and consideration of the planned government intervention. Clearly, this government has not learnt from the lessons of the past, and continues to put its political agenda of re-election and centralisation of control ahead of the needs of the community.

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Alison Sexton-Green
August 13th, 2007

I am disgusted that our federal politicians would even consider proposing or supporting legislation that effectively dispossess indigenous Australians. I believe this is a naked land grab and support the views of the NT police commissioner when he says that he can find no connection between the abuse of children and the permit system.

It is even more appalling when I consider the number of significant aboriginal organisations / services that have
had their funding slashed or cut completely.

This stark hypocrisy can not be supported.

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Mary McKenna
August 13th, 2007

On such an important issue consultation is a MUST. Legislation based on knee-jerk reaction without adequate consideration of the range of issues is doomed to failure. Please do not rush into accepting this hastilly drafted legislation that impacts so significantly on our Indigenous people.

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rosie and brendan elliott lewis
August 13th, 2007

The intent of this bill is to remove rights from Aboriginal people of the Northern Territory. The proposition that this will effect a change in the social situation of Aboriginal families is cynical and fallacious. It is simply part of a long-running conservative cmpaign to open the Aboriginal lands for plunder, using child welfare as an excuse. You will remmeber that the first effect of Liberal policy was the closure of womens centres on Aboriginal communities throughout the NT. The children of concern are Howards children, arising from a decade of federal neglect.

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Susannah Tobin
August 13th, 2007

The cries of Australian Aboriginal children have called out for over 200 years. And yet we continue to hear but not listen.

The NT National Emergency Response Bill is deeply flawed in so many ways. It will only exacerbate the suffering of those, to whom it is directed.

I write as a social worker, who has had the privilege of working with Aboriginal people for over 12 years. I have seen the pain of child abuse. But I have also seen the strength of a people, who have such a rich tradition that stresses the importance of kinship and the sacred.

We need to empower the Aboriginal people with appropriate policies and support. But the present bill only disempowers them, as it has not listened to the people to whom it is directed.

Please listen to the cries of the children and do all we can to defeat this bill.

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Kate Richards
August 13th, 2007

All Australians deserve and have earned the right to be involved in decisions that directly affect their way of life and their future - that is what being in a democracy means to me - and I hope it means the same to our politicians.

Most Australians believe our indigenous community has the democratic right to receive government assistance in matters of health, education, quality of living, housing, employment opportunities, support to preserve cultural diversity, prevention of abuse, and justice for all, not to mention an apology for past abuses, and recompense for decades of apathy by governments more intent on doing whatever it takes to hang onto power at any cost, rather than focus on the real needs of Australians.

I sincerely hope that all our politicians look deep into their hearts and ask themselves what they are really voting for.

Is this bill truly the best way to solve the many problems affecting our Indigenous Community, or just a stop gap measure to ensure an out of date Liberal Party hangs onto power for another term, with increased control over indigenous Australians and their remaining land holding.

Think what the history books will say about this era, and ask yourselves whether you will be proud of your part in it. The choice is yours - please make the best one and the right one.

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Hyllus Munro
August 13th, 2007

TALK to the people who will have to live with these changes. FIND OUT from them what they would like to see happen. STOP and think how you would feel if this was happening to you and you had no say!

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Criss Sharp
August 13th, 2007

Senators.The eyes of the voters are on you all right now. This legislation is clearly flawed and will do nothing for the children it proposes to help.
Its logical extension to the white community is to give DOCS the power to respond to cases of suspected child abuse by resuming the housing and assets of their parents and of all those in the surrounding suburb as well!
The governmental process bringing the ;egislation in is even more flawed - a disgusting betrayal of democratic principle when you are voting for something you clearly haven't read, discussed or researched with your consituents. You risk being tarred with the Howard brush - greedy, dishonest, increasingly incompetent and desperate. Have the integrity to stand up to him, for the sake of the children if for nothing else.
Delay the vote! Debate this proposal! Confer with Aboriginal Australians. We want to see more in the legislation about real, long term child protection and less about land grabbing.

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melita alford
August 13th, 2007

I am distressed that the governement is presenting legislation to the Senate that does not involve consultation with indigenous people to respond to the concerns in their communities.

One significant issue seems to be the removal of the permit system, which acts to protect rather than expose children to further abuse.

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denyse davison
August 13th, 2007

Protect the children all you can but leave the land rights alone.

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Belinda Piggott
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senator
I am most concerned about the recent bills introduced to Parliament regarding intervention in Indigenous communities. The Government's railroading approach to child protection certainly does not reflect a genuine concern for physical and physcological safety, rather the opportunity to score political points.
Having finally accepted there are serious issues in these communities, an appropriate response would be to allocate resources to work with Indigenous leaders to consolidate and enhance community efforts and provide adequate support services - including counselling and housing.
Disempowering communities is not a long term solution, history has demonstrated the shortcomings of a partiarchal approach.
I emplore you to approach this bill ethically, not politically, and submit it to the highest scrutiny.
Yours sincerely,
Belinda Piggott

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Amy Kilpatrick
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senate

When our Prime Minister first addressed parliament with his maiden speech as a member of the Liberal Party in 1974, the government was still operating under legislation that allowed them to remove, without just cause, aboriginal children from their parents. However, regardless of his direct association with this government, Mr Howard has maintained he holds no personal responsibility for what many Australians consider crimes against humanity.

Australians are tired of witnessing the injustices perpetrated against our indigenous citizens. Please, you, the Senate, have an opportunity to recognize and honour their rights, not only as Australians, but as humans. In doing so, we may be able to avoid further horrendous injustices. Please afford them the time they deserve.

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Cindy Bohan
August 13th, 2007

It saddens me to hear and read about the decisions of the australian Government, in particular the decision and actions aobut teh Aboriginal health and child protection in teh Northern Territory. I wouold have hoped we had learnt from the past atrocities that it is important to act with the aboriginal communitiy leaders and ensure the voice of the people is considererd. Before whites invaded this country, health, education, social mores etc were all taught by the elders in a community, there was a very strong knowledge and skill base. That could be used today, we need to use it today. Please when considering this complex issue, before the senate, remember that Indigenous Australians have thoughts and ideas and are well informed, lets open the dialogue.
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Cedric Williams
August 13th, 2007

Your comment Dear Senators

As responsible Australians and as elected leaders of this democratic country, it is encumbent onyou to stand against the dictatorial action being taken by Government. This offence against human rights is beyond Party politics, and needs to be stopped in its tracks by those with the power to do so. Those people are "you" senators. A failure to do so will write your names in history as supporters of direct discrimination, in a country which professes to have made large steps in Reconcilliation in this great country.

SENATORS!! DO YOUR DUTY TO THE PEOPLE, AND TO AUSTRALIAS STANDING IN THE WORLD COMMUNITY.

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Sue Lovell
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators

When voting tomorrow - please put yourselves in the position of the indigenous peoples in whose lives you are intervening, and think about the following:

If someone took away half your income, whether or not you deserved to have it removed, in order to change the behaviour of those that do wrong, would you feel supportive of that action?

If someone removed a permit system that prevented people from desecrating the graves of your kinfolk, that maintained the integrity of the stained glass windows in your church, that preserved something spiritual you were planning to hand on to your children, would you approve such a removal?

If someone stood up in Parliament and said 'Look, I know you own that house, yacht, holiday unit, four wheel drive, but we're just going to resume them for five years until we can figure out some way to solve some important issues that are harming children', would you feel that was useful and sensible and worthwhile and smile as they took away your assets?

If someone made it impossible for you to draw on the law of this land to speak about discrimination and injustice that you suffered because of the colour of your skin, would you think that was relevant to child abuse and protecting those who are vulnerable?

If you answered 'no' to even ONE of these questions, you have a moral obligation to stand up and insist that these measures are punitive, paternalistic and perverse; that the people who are closest to the problems be consulted and that existing hard won rights be maintained with integrity.

If you do not - then you have no integrity.

Dr Sue Lovell

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David Leavesley
August 13th, 2007

I am disappointed and alarmed with the unseemly haste to pass draconian laws enabling Federal Government intervention of Northern Territory Indigenous communities currently before the Parliamentand, notwithstanding the actual textual content of these laws.

Whilst I applaud all well-considered measures preventing the abuse and exploitation of any member of any community, particularly when they cannot defend and protect themselves, I am alrmed by what I have heard John Howard proposing. What rights and knowledge does he have that we and those who've been working in these communities for many years do not? I remain to be convinced that this legislation will actually accomplish that which is claimed for it. It srtikes me as ill-considered and patronising. After years of progress towards reconciling the damage the white community has done to Indigenous Australians, we are travelling back to the days when Government decided it was best for children with Indigenous blood to be separated from their Indigenous parents.

Put simply, there has not been sufficient community (both white and indigenous) consultation on this issue.
One day in the Senate to discuss this issue is clearly, grossly and insultingly inadequate. The proposed legislation is blatantly discriminatory towards the very people whom we are told it is designed to protect!

Please reconsider this legislation and exercise the democratic responsibility for which you you were elected.

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Jeff Roestenburg
August 13th, 2007

We all support the ending of child abuse and violence within the community, whatever the background or colour of that community. However, to take away the permit system in order to safeguard children and women's safety is a political stnt to open up the alnds to mineral exploration and explotation. Don't worry though, the elections are just around the corner.............

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Bruce Sims
August 13th, 2007

Please allow a little more time to refine these proposals and allow for wider consultation and discussion. Some of them, like abolishing the permit system, are likely to make matters even worse, and even put more children at risk.

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Bruce Reyburn
August 13th, 2007

This non-debate took place without any indigenous representatives in Australia's Parliament.

It is time for a peoples movement to get moving to give indigenous voices a place in the Australian Parliament.

Firstly, short term aim, support for indigenous candidates for the Senate in the coming Federal election.

Secondly, generational change, amend the Constitution to provide two Senate places (an indigenous man and an indigenous woman) for each State and Territory.

That would go some way to restoring a degree of balance to life in Australia.

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Penelope Walsh
August 13th, 2007

The test for valid legislation, I would suggest, is this; does the legislation fulfil its purpose? If the answer is 'yes' then it is valid. If the answer is 'no' then the legislation is invalid. When i apply the above test to this legislation ie how does the taking away of land stop child abuse, the answer is 'it does not!'
Therefore the legislation is invalid and therefore should be rejected by the Senate.
If the Senate does not reject the legislation then it is failing its duty as a house of review and it is facilitation the abuse of our constitution and the rights of all Australians.

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Dan Craig
August 13th, 2007

This government has no concern for our indignation. Our protests are met with blank stares and flapping mouths. Cast aside these greedy children. do not acknowledge these people as it gives them power undeserved. Business hides behind these politics. The profit makers are the puppet masters and its these people that must be dragged to the light of justice. While we go back and forth negotiating with an illusion the profiteers are hiding out the back filling thier pockets.
When we are drawn into the game we are lost because the game is just a decoy. The path to justice lies beyond the square, beyond the paradigm.

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janine oldfield
August 13th, 2007

I am utterly appalled at the flagrant disregard for the rights of some Australians. In this case, Indigenous Australians. Most of the community land that the Howard Government wants to reclaim has been purchased in teh past by an INdigenous organisation set up by the Whitlam Goverment. That is, it is private land. This opens the way for all privately owned land to simply be taken over by a despotic government. Are we really so disregarding of the value of human and common law rights that Australia wants to go this way!

Town camps were actually arranged initially in an agreement with the traditional owners of Alice Springs and so had nothing to do with the NT Government. Hence the need to set up Tangangyerre council (now defunct). In this case, teh government is not taking up land previously looked after by the NT, but again taking away land from a group of Australians who happen to be Indigenous.

Sending in an army who, so far, has been proved to be pretty ineffectual is not sending the right signal to INdigenous Austrlaians in the NT. After all, it's only been a few decades since a similar army and police force enforced the policies of stolen generation and massacres.

Making Australians refugees on their own land is also not a solution. The problem that the Federal Government is so-called addressing is a problem they have manufactured through repeated cuts in a budget earmarked for Indigenous programs - programs that were designed to address the very issues that they have to have an 'emergency response' on. This response has occured 11 years after coming to power with the very same issues not being addressed by them. This emergency response will do absolutely no more than simply being an excuse to spend enormous sums of money to look good - it will not address the issues.

What is needed are the recommendations put out by the report undertaken by Pat Anderson - recommendations that allow Indigenous Australians to help address issues in their own community as opposed to bureaucrats who have never stepped foot on red soil and have absolutely no understanding of the issues.

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August 13th, 2007

The members of affected communities in the Northern Territory have for too long been the victims of short-sighted, destructive and racist policy experiments. Howard's 'emergency response' WILL fail to achieve ALL of its professed aims and cause a great deal more harm.
If the coalition were genuine in their desire to empower indigenous children they would approach this emergency through the prism of a rights based approach. That is, taking the human rights of children as the basis for all policy decisions. Senators need only look towards our obligations under the international treaties we have signed, ratified and incorporated into domestic law for guidance.
The Little Children are Sacred Report and Howard’s response to the same says more about the failure of Howards’ ‘practical reconciliation’ than anything else.
The government response, which looks more like a military occupation, is a terrible and telling example of what happens when we ignore human rights discourses.

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Stephen Joyce
August 13th, 2007

Our Aboriginal communities have the right to expect consultation, negotiation and true debate about legislation that covers their interests. I am incensed that legislation worth 500 pages is to be rushed through a one day Senate hearing with only two days of debate.

We must not continue to make decisions about Aboriginal Australians without fully including them in the process. Certainly there are many problems within Australia's Aboriginal communities, however these need to be addressed fully and in a considered fashion - not in rushed through legislation.

I urge you to put forward these concerns to Parliament.

Thank you

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Brenda Debenham
August 13th, 2007

I am concerned at the undue haste on this important issue and the lack of debate gives me a strong message of not caring and only wanting to look good.
I cannot imagine that this decision would be made if it were any other group of people. The lack of proper resources from government may have led to abuses and neglect but todate I have not heard of the current medical results that prove this conclusively. A forced check of any population group would show up child abuse numbers and this is from rich to poor. Economics is not the factor. We should not have hastily constructed, band-aid laws but cohesive, constructive debate of all the contributing factors. All children need our protection.

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Rob Phillips
August 13th, 2007

*All* legislation going through the Senate should be subject to thorough review. Please provide proper government.

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Steve Quinn
August 13th, 2007

Please do not allow this legislation to succeed. There is a clear lack of connection between the highly emotive and important issue of child abuse and the proposed changes to land tenure. It is a highly cynical thing to wage war on Aboriginal interests in land under the guise of the inarguable problems of child abuse. Far more research and consultation needs to be done before committing Australia to a path which is bound to fail as similar policy approaches have failed in the past, and will only exacerbate the existing dysfunction and disempowerment. There is a glaring paucity of evidence available and the Howard Brough line appears to be based on a policy of control rather than a response to the real issues.
Consider very carefully and keep in mind the lessons of history before committing to these changes.
S Quinn, lawyer, Central Australia

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Peter Lipscomb
August 13th, 2007

I am asking all our elected representatives to consider the damage that the hasty passing of this land grab legislation will do to Australian society. The misinformation, the hidden agendas, real or perceived, all contribute to a rapidly growing unease about the erosion of democracy in Australia. We are proud of our democratic processes developed over the last 200 years. Don't throw them away now!

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Peter James
August 13th, 2007

Our indigenous population does not deserve to be treated as second class citizens. Would these laws be considered for the "white" community? I think not.

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Kirsty Chalmers
August 13th, 2007

This is my plea to the senate:
Respect breeds respect. It's time that everyone in our country was treated with the same level of respect. The aboriginal people are entitled to a voice in their own future. Please ensure that they have that voice.

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Jacinta Rice
August 13th, 2007

My thoughts are with you as you continue to fight for your rights but you are not alone. Know that there are many Australians who are your companions as the rights of many people are being undermined e.g. workers, refugees.
We need to keep in mind that the discriminatory laws are being ignored by the present government and they need to be taken to task. Cheers!

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Melissa Sweet
August 13th, 2007

I returned last week from the Garma festival in Arnhemland where I attended a three-day forum on Indigenous health, addressed by leading experts on Indigenous health, including researchers, clinicians, public health experts, community leaders and bureaucrats (both Indigenous and non Indigenous). The overwhelming consensus was that the Federal Government's intervention in the NT will not only fail to tackle child abuse, but will be devastating for broader Aboriginal health and wellbeing because the interventions do not engage Aboriginal people themselves and will take away their sense of control over their lives and also reduce their connection to land and culture (all factors shown by many studies to be important factors for good health). The authors of the Little Children are Sacred report are devastated by the Federal response, saying it bears no relationship to their recommendations. Child sexual assault experts say that one of the worst things for children is to disclose their assault and then for nothing to be done about it. It seems the Federal Government's response risks betraying Aboriginal people in the same way: Aboriginal people have been courageous enough to own this problem (which it should be pointed out is also a major issue for the non-Indigenous community); by locking them out of owning the solutions and by implementing interventions which many experts believe will fail and do considerable harm, the Federal Government is betraying the Aboriginal people in a very profound way.

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Chris Disney
August 13th, 2007

To pass laws without consulting those people whom the laws are meant to protect is absolutely disgraceful.Listen to the authors of the report, read the report Nowhere does it promote these draconian laws.
To remove the permit system is to let all those with a vested interest in the children and the lands, free rein to do anything their evil hearts desire.
I am dismayed and appalled by the way this has eventuated and call on all senators to demand further time to discuss this deplorable bill

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Ian Watkins
August 13th, 2007

The immediate crisis in child abuse within indigenous communities can be handled without immediate imposition of the current legislation. This legislation is so important that it requires proper consultation and consideration. Any failure to do so raises suspicion of ulterior motives (increased control of indigenous communities, election desperation, etc.).

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Karyn Fearnside
August 13th, 2007

Here is a great letter from Muriel Bamblett that puts it very susinctly:

THE AGE
Let's fight these laws together

Date: August 13 2007

Muriel Bamblett

ONE of the most telling facts about the rushed Northern Territory National
Emergency Response Bill becomes clear when you look for how many times the
word "children" or "child" appears. You would think that any legislation that is
supposedly part of an emergency response to the issues raised by the Little
Children Are Sacred report on child abuse in indigenous communities would have
children mentioned throughout its scores of pages. Our legislators had these
pages
in front of them for only a day or so before they were passed by the House of
Representatives with the support of both main parties.

Guess how many times the words "children" or "child" appear in the bill? One
hundred? Twenty? Five? Wrong — the answer is zero.

There is no mention of children in the main bill, which supposedly addresses the
emergency of child abuse. That is why the majority of indigenous leaders,
academics and practitioners in social work and child protection are continuing
to say
that this bill has nothing to do with children. That is why the actual authors
and
advisers who delivered the report have condemned the Government for failing to
pay due regard to their considered recommendations.

But it has everything to do with a government seeking re-election by blowing the
dog
whistle of racism in the guise of caring for indigenous children. It has
everything to
do with a Labor Party too fearful of another Tampa to act with principle and
courage.
It has everything to do with the assessment of the main parties that the
Australian
public are too racist and too uncaring of indigenous children to actually
support
governments doing something principled and evidence-based to tackle both the
causes and the symptoms of disadvantage that lead to child abuse.

You should feel insulted. Insulted that you are seen as racist and uncaring.
Insulted
by the low regard in which your political leaders hold you. Insulted that the
assessment of the politicians in the major parties is that you are too lazy to
see past
policy forming from media releases and political bluster.

But this is the way it seems always to have been for indigenous people.

The federal ALP government in 1995 commissioned the Secretariat for National
Aboriginal and Islander Child Care to prepare a National Plan for the Prevention
of
Child Abuse and Neglect in Aboriginal Communities. The Keating Government sat
on the plan for months, only for the Howard Government to shelve it soon after
its
1996 election victory.

At the 2003 Prime Minister's Indigenous Family Violence and Child Abuse Summit,
the secretariat again developed comprehensive proposals for a national
indigenous
children's wellbeing and development taskforce that was to include
representation
from all governments, the secretariat and other indigenous organisations, report
directly to the Council of Australian Governments and develop measures to
address
child abuse and the lack of services in prevention, early childhood support,
health
and education. And now we can add Little Children Are Sacred to the ignored
reports.

This legislation does nothing for children, nothing for indigenous disadvantage,
nothing to actually stop child abuse. So what does it do? It takes control away
from
indigenous communities. It allows government bureaucrats to force themselves
into
our boardrooms. It takes over our land. It takes away our ability to have a say
on
who can come onto our freehold title land. It places bureaucrats in charge of
our
lives. And it exempts these and other actions from the Racial Discrimination
Act,
which means it acknowledges that some of its measures may be racially
discriminatory.

This legislation is an attack on our people. How would you feel if you had to
allow a
bureaucrat from Canberra into your community meetings, netball committee
meetings and business meetings? How would you feel if there was a law which
made it OK for you to be discriminated against, just because of your race?

Are the major parties right? Or will you stand with us and fight this abuse of
our
people and let your local MPs and senators know what you really think?

Muriel Bamblett is chairwoman of the Secretariat of National Aboriginal and
Islander
Child Care.

http://www.theage.com.au/text/articles/2007/08/12/1186857338728.html

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Janice McEwen
August 13th, 2007

The Federal government's current action in Indigenous communities, is opportunism of the worst kind taken at the expense of the Northern Territory's Indigenous people. Urgent action is needed to empower Indigenous people and make up for the long term neglect of their needs and rights in child welfare, education, and health. The cynical action by Howard's government, and the weak and disgraceful support of the federal Labour Party is political opportunism of the worst kind. It is a further attack on Indigenous culture, and an underhand attempt to grab their land - presumably to make it easier to extract minerals and bury uranium.
This government that has done more harm to Indigenous people, by increasing their poverty and powerlessness, than any other Australian government in the last forty years. The Labour Party is looking no better.
This may be Australia's most shameful and cynical moment yet. Shame. Shame. Shame.

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Kristy Moyle
August 13th, 2007

We are, each of us - a product of our experiences and our influences.

To suggest that a room full of white folk have ANY right whatsoever to attempt AGAIN, to impose their ways upon one of the most beautiful nations this Earth has seen is atrocious.

Who was responsible for this disaster in the first place? Or have you forgotten what our very own missionaries achieved?

This crisis is the result of the theft and immense destruction of a culture, the degradation of sacred familial connections and for extensive abuse and trauma - all for which you, the lawmakers of this country are indirectly responsible.

So please, do not make the same mistakes again.

Don't pass this bill without the extensive consultation necessary, with the righful lawmakers and elders of a traditional nation.

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO IMPOSE YOUR IGNORANCE THERE AGAIN.

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Paul Turvey
August 13th, 2007

Even considering legislation of this magnitude and potential to strip away peoples' rights and well-being is extraordinary, given any amount of debate.

To pass such legislation given the paltry amount of debate that has been allowed is an obscenity and it shouts to the world that Australia's professed consideration for humanitarian issues is blatant hypocrisy. If you wanted to give the terrorists some fuel for their arguments, it would be hard to think of a better way of doing it.

Sending in the army to deal with child sexual abuse? Removing income to reduce dysfunctional family behaviour? Give me a break! This rubbish is wedge politics designed to consolidate red-neck votes at the expense of the most vulnerable members in our society. Please do not "rubber stamp" this.

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Gareth Smith
August 13th, 2007

Aboriginal communities suffer from despoilation of culture, the dispossession of land, the effects of a vicious white paternalism which has seen their children removed, sexually abused and trained for servitude, drug, alcohol and solvent abuse and 3rd world health and living standards. All of this has been known for many decades in the face of government inaction. Now, just before an election, the Howard government sleepers awake and send in the military & police while revoking land leases. This unprecedented draconian, paramilitary putsch was afforded a miserly 1 day Senate debate. Senators, do your job, scrutinise the details of this legislation and demand accountability on behalf of all of us!

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Carol Kunert
August 13th, 2007

I think that you are doing a fantastic job with this (and all) campaign. These wise people know what they want and what will work. We need the government to listen to them.

keep up the good work
Carol

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Debra Maynard
August 13th, 2007

The arrogance of the Howard Government in imposing so-called solutions to child abuse and domestic violence in some Aboriginal communities, without consultation and with no time for a debate about the proposed new laws and actions, is deplorable. Short-term, expedient solutions may, at best, achieve some short-term gains, but in the longer term they will erode community ownership and sustainability. This kind of imposed action will reinforce the alienation that Aboriginal people already feel from the wider society. All members of the Liberal coalition should feel ashamed to be part of an action and proposed new legislation that takes Australian white-black relations backwards and shows no respect or desire for properly resourcing Aboriginal communities to find solutions for themselves.
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Colette
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators,

As a health worker with post-graduate training in contemporary Indigenous health issues, I think you're current attempt at helping the NT is a huge step backward. It’s an attempt at creating a white supremacy and a dictatorship all over again. You should be disgusted. I am.

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Kathryn Bird
August 13th, 2007

A few weeks ago, as quoted on RN, 36 percent personal approval rating for the Prime Minister, 71 percent approval rating for the Federal Intervention into Aboriginal communities (correct me if I misheard these figures, but they were certainly stunning). Howard, being the shrewd man he is, knows that he's onto an issue that can get him on side with the electorate. While it may be too glib to call this another Children Overboard election-winner, let's remember that the same basic damning charge is being leveled, this time on Aboriginal Australians - these are parents who have no regard for their children. Please let us learn from what we discovered then, that this government will brazenly use the most emotive issues for their own political ends, even when they know them to be misrepresentations. This report is long and complex but all we have heard about is child abuse. Resources need to be allocated, but let's provide financial and other support for community initiatives like the night patrol and the practices of traditional shaming and aunties councils, rather than the blunt instrument of outside policing.

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Marta Sandberg
August 13th, 2007

I work with indigenous communities and I know the importance of slowly building trust and competency when you are trying to change things for the better. Two centuries of abuse, neglect and disastrous paternalistic intervention cannot be undone in a hurry. What is needed is slow, patient and well-directed assistance and policies that are stable for at lest a generation. Invading the Northern Territory isn’t going to do it.

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Robyn Smith
August 13th, 2007

(Message to Senators) Please do not vote for the Government's legislation relating to the Indigenous people of the Northern Territory. Yes, I do believe that there is a serious problem of child abuse in many communities in the Northern Territory but the knee-jerk reaction of the Federal Government to the "Little Children Are Sacred" Report will do nothing to address this serious problem.
Did the Government read the Report or did they merely see it as a media opportunity in this time of pre-election fever? The Report called for consultation with indigenous communities and a cooperative approach from the Federal and Territory Governments - have either of these been genuinely addressed? Is public and media "outrage" being used to justify further erosion of Indigenous peoples' rights?
Do you honestly believe that the proposed legislation will address the many problems associated with the neglect and sexual abuse of Indigenous children? Do you have no concerns that the proposed legislation could make things far worse by causing further alienation of Indigenous communities? Wouldn't it be better to take a more rational approach and begin implementing some of the reccomendations of the Report - addressing lack of good educational and health services; introducing positive steps to reduce alcohol and other substance abuse; providing worthwhile employment opportunities in remote communities?
Please vote against this legislation and force the Government to take positive action to address this problem. I don't think any new legislation is needed to start working to heal the breakdown of Indigenous culture and the problems associated with that breakdown - of course this work wouldn't get much publicity from the media as it lacks the short-term sensation that sending in the troops achieved.
Show your political independence and your humanity and vote No!
Thank you.
Robyn Smith.

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Veronica Coen
August 13th, 2007

Child sex abuse is not and never has been limited to Indigenous communities.
From the earliest contacts with Indigenous peoples in 'Australia', white fellas brought the grog, eroded the ability of Indigenous communities to enact their custodial obligations and to pass on the law by taking over their country.
Indigenous peoples' systems of law ensured that child sex abuse or any transgressions of the law were dealt with harshly.
Non-Indigenous interventions whether intentionally malicious, destructive, genocidal or motivated by capitalistic greed; or most insidious of all - by a missionary zeal to save the 'poor natives', are directly responsible for the present condition of multi-generational trauma within some Indigenous communities.

The challenges are very complex and cannot be solved with broadsweeping and superficial legislation.

Look to the strengths in the communities.
Listen to the elders - particularly to the women.
Be responsive the the particular culturally distinctive ways that Indigenous communties function. Do not assume that your world view matches the world view of the Indigenous communites for whom you have the responsibility of legislative discretion.

Act WITH, not on the communities involved.

Finally, as a non-Indigenous person I too have known child sex abuse both as a child and as a parent. It's devastating.

As a previous blogger stated ONE LAW FOR ALL on this issue.

Tackle it nationally in ALL communities - regardless of race, culture or ethnicity.

The only time I have ever agreed with the Prime Minister was when he stated shortly after the originating report was released, "It's about saving children"!

PLEASE RESPOND AS IF IT'S ABOUT YOUR OWN CHILDREN and be guided by your hearts, not political expediency.

Veronica Coen.

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Ruth Holt
August 13th, 2007

This legislation smacks of the paternalistic mind-set all too prevalent in Federal Politics today and appears to be purely a knee-jerk reaction to child abuse problems in our Aboriginal communities, rather than a well-thought out solution.

Child abuse has been endemic for many years throughout Australia and is not exclusive to Aboriginal communities.

Please ensure that this bill is not passed in its present form. It is essential that proper consultation is undertaken Australia-wide to deal with child abuse across the whole community and that comprehensive, thoughtful and workable legislation is formulated to ensure this issue is alleviated on a long-term basis.

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Dr GR Gates
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators
The decision of the Australian government to rush through 500 pages of legislation affecting Indigenous Australian makes a mockery of the democratic process, both in the lower and upper house, and returns us to the paternalism of the past. I thought we had left all that behind, but clearly this is not so. What is happening is outrageous.

There is no doubt that Aboriginal people have significant problems in many domains but the draconian legislation and failure to scrutinise the legislation is a failure of the democratic process.

John Howard has had 11 years to get off his backside and do something about these problems. Why has this been left until the 11th hour?

Senators, it is time to take a stand about this legislation regardless of your political affiliation, and subject it to the necessary critical scrutiny that is required. Quite apart from content, due process must be observed in parliament.

The rush to legislate further damages our parliamentary democracy and the little remaining faith people have in our system. My father was an RAAF pilot in World War II. He went to war to defend our democratic processes against fascism. He would turn in his grave if he could witness what was happening now.

Lest we forget.

Associate Professor Richard Gates

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August 13th, 2007

I am writing to you in regards to the bill that you plan to pass on behalf of indeginous people with out the consultation with indigenous people. This is racist and a sick exuse for land grab. Child abuse and neglect is an ongoing problem in our society within many cultures including our white australians.

If someone were to come to my home and demand that my child undergo an abusive invasive oral consultaion because they were at risk of sexual abuse because i was black, then that would be done over my dead body. How dare the government use abuse and discusting tactics in order to claim the land for their own motives. If this happens, then who is to say that this is not going to happen in the future to white australians or any other minority or culture in our country.

This needs to be stopped right now!!!!!How could you justify moving in on a community and neglect abuse that is happening everyday within all cultures including white.

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Patricia Brown
August 13th, 2007

Please take the time to fully consider this legislation so that the rights of the indigenous people that it is meant to support are fully protected. The last thing these people need is further abuse, this time of their rights to the land and natural justice.

Were the Coalition majority to use this issue to rubber stamp for themselves the administrative power to grant mining rights during this 5 year management plan it would only enhance the fact that people are not willing to tolerate these abuses of power. You can be assured that the situation will be firmly addressed by the people at the next election, to ensure such blatant misuse of majority power is not allowed to occur again.

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Gavan Breen
August 13th, 2007

For 200 years Aborigines have lived undr the shadow of governments that have wanted to take their rights, their land, even their children from them. Under more enlightened governments they have at times managed to get something back, but they always feel under threat from lawmakers who want to see them living like black-skinned whitefellows, in a little nuclear-family house surrounded by mainstream housing and remote from their extended families. They need help, certainly, but they need dignity too, and money won't improve their lot if it comes at the expense of control over their lives and loss of what dignity they have managed to retain or retrieve.
Please don't let them by degraded by the unncessary provisions of this legislation.

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chryne griffiths
August 13th, 2007

It is not constitutionally right what is happening,it would not happen to any other community. Is the agenda LAND for uranium? I think so. Especially as there was such an outcry about sexual abuse in the communities and there is very little in the new act to do with child protection. Surprise, Surprise. There needs to be ongoing support, education (parenting)in a culturally appropriate way, education for the children, more health facilities etc. Training for adolescents in the trades. This needs to be ongoing until the Aboriginal communities can manage things without outside assistance. Chryne Griffiths, Aboriginal Perinatal Infant Mental Health Therapist.

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Kit Stenecker
August 13th, 2007

I am concerned that this nknee jerk reaction decision was made by politicians with minimal consultaion with the communities. I do understand that child abuse is a wide spread problem that needs attention in all aboriginal communities as well as white communities. I feel concern about doctors doing physical checks for rape to all children. This in itself could be considered abuse...

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Shaun Pollington
August 13th, 2007

You are still treating the original inhabitants of this country with contempt.
There has never really been any decisions or legislation made by the Australian government to show love and respect for a people that had their country invaded and taken away from them.
This current government has also failed in the caring respect and love for a truly wonderful indigenous culture.
Why is it so hard to see. The Australian Aborigines need their land so their cultural way of life can be reinstated. This will have the largest effect on their lives and their behaviour.
Wouldn't it wonderful to travel around this beautiful country and see Aborigines living as they have done for years before Europeans settled. And knowing that as long as all Australians engaged each other with the respect all humans deserve as a basic right, Australia would then be a truly wonderful diverse continent.

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J. Taylor
August 13th, 2007

Australia has violated our indigenous people's human rights and needs to be investigated and held accountable by the rest of the world. Australia's abuse and racist attitudes towards a once proud race needs to come to the attention of the United Nations and they need to take immediate action. One of the reasons Australia can get away with their abuse and racist attitudes towards the traditional owners of this land is because it does not have a human rights bill in the Constitution. As an Australian who has just returned from living overseas for 21 years I can honestly say I am asha1med to be an Australian. My decision to return has been soured by the continual abuse of the once proud people who have lived and cared for Australia for thousands of years.

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Caite Adamek
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators

I am troubled and concerned over the proposed legislation and its impact on aboriginal communities. I agree & support that it is vitally important to address the issue of child abuse, however I am unconvinced that the solution is contained in the proposed legislation.

The solution needs to have short, mid and long term components that must be determined and driven by the communities themselves.

We must learn from the mistakes of our past and not repeat them: paternalistic and punitive solutions - no matter how well intentioned - do not work and cause irreparable damage to the people involved.

I urge you not to pass the legislation and to take indiginous views into account when considering further legislation.

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Caroline Hardie
August 13th, 2007

The legislation which is being contemplated with such unseemly haste is an insult to the very people it purports to support. Does the government seriously believe that the electorate will fall for this? That the government will be seen as caring about Indigenous people's issues? This is the same government which showed such contempt for the Australia-wide electoral support, demonstrated by thousands of us marching in every capital city for Reconciliation. Remember? The fact that there has been such little regard for consultation with Indigenous people over this new legislation shows how little the government understands or cares about Indigenous issues.

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Carole Winfield
August 13th, 2007

To the Indigenous leaders, community members, authors of the 'Little Children Are Sacred' Report and many others who are trying to fight against this blatant racism,

ALL POWER TO YOU!!.

Keep going, there ARE people in this country who do not agree with the way you are relentlessly undermined; who support, admire and thank you for your courage, resilience, grace, dignity and determination.

with respect
carole
bassendean wa

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kate
August 13th, 2007

I live in the remote community Galiwinku on Elcho Island in the Northern Territory. I along with many in the community disagree strongly with many of the components of the government's emergency response, specifically the abolisment of the permit system, the compulsory aquisition of the 5 year leases, and the many changes to the welfare payments and CDEP.

In my view, I do not believe that the measures being introduced by the government will result in long term protection of indigenous children, as any effective response would have to include consultation with the
aboriginal people living in each community. I feel that unless aboriginal people are involved and have ownership of this process there is no chance for success. Rather than sending in the police the Australia government should be sending in more teachers, health and community workers to work with these communities to find long term solutions to these serious problems. Instead the government is again
taking away any power that they have to determine what is in their own best interest, and is instead treating them as little children, as was described by a yolgnu man in our community.

The compulsory aquistion of 5 year leases and the abolishment of the permit system is a shame on all Australian, and erodes the many years of hard work to recognise the rights of Aboriginals to their own land.
It seems to me that if there land can so easily be taken back by the government that it was never really their land to begin with.

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Ruth Thompson
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators,

Indigenous and non-Indigenous people have been working on the issue of child and family abuse in Aboriginal communities for decades. They work in communities and for 20 years or more have made reports and recommendations based on their experience about how the problems can be tackled. Suddenly, with an election looming, there is concern and action - although the proposed action is irresponsible and insensitive.

Invariably the recommendations of community workers hinge on engaging local communities in tailoring solutions that best meet the needs of that community. Secondly, those recommendations always include provisions for employment, education and health programs. In other words, a course of action will only work if it is wholistic and consultative.

The Government's crude, pre-election spin-filled legislation, so sloppily supported by Labour is simply too little too late. The interventions will divide communities, rather than build strength. It may spell short-term election gain, in much the same way as the 'children overboard' fiasco, but the long-term loss will in be our Indigenous communities - loss of self-respect, self-governance (what little there is), income and opportunity for meaningful change.

Treating Indigenous communities differently to white communities must surely be challenged under the Racial Discrimination Act; and if white communities also become subject to the same draconian withdrawal of financial support and mandatory health checks then the whole package should be challenged. Effective policy can only emerge from detailed communication and consultation with those people directly affected. Sadly, this happens so little, yet how cost-effective it would be (financially and emotionally, for the individual, community and government).

I urge you not to support this legislation, otherwise we will be revisiting the same issue again in 10 years time. Instead, vote to hold detailed consultations with all those people whose life work is dedicated to the eradication of child and family abuse in our communities all over Australia.

Make a plan with a strict timeframe. Plan to redirect the money designated for police and law-enforcers, and instead fund educators, health workers and employers who are sensivitely supported by law-enforcers when requested.

Your sincerely,
Ruth Thompson

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Mike Gordon
August 13th, 2007

OK, how did we get to this "emergency" situation ?

Long years of ignoring problems that are obviously not understood by the federal government. I'm not saying I understand the causes fully either, but introducing band-aid legislation thats been hastily cobbled together as a knee jerk reaction to years of inaction is naive and dangerous.
True, action is needed NOW, women and children must be protected, but this legislation sounds as if it will punish a people as a whole and not just the perpetrators of the abuse.

Without adequate housing, infrastructure or health-care, any of our Australian communities would become as dangerous as the ones targeted by this legislation.

Please, please, admit your ignorance and then work with the problem - find the causes and don't just treat the symptoms.

The backward-thinking attitude of this desperate and fading federal government is about to whitewash an endemic problem that needs firm yet responsible and wise council from the people who know the problem best - the ELDERS of the people affected.

Take away their power and the tenuous respect of their people dies with it.

How do you help a people who have no one left to respect ?

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Joseph Foster
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators,

I urge you all to allow more debate on the legislation proposed. You are members of a House of Review. It's not possible to do that in a day.

I totally disagree with the principle of removing any group in our society outside the protection of the anti-discrimination laws.

I also strongly oppose the removal of land rights from select indigenous groups.

I'm also extremely disappointed by the me-too-ism of the Labor Party. As Paul Keating put it, if you continue to be scared of your own shadows (because of the advice of your faceless consultant-losers), what happened to Kim Beazley will happen to Kevin Rudd! It's principles stupid ...

Consult, consult, consult.

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M.Lund Lund
August 13th, 2007

To pass such draconian laws with no debate is disgusting in a country which maintains it is a democracy. Abolishing the permit system has nothing whatsoever to do with abuse of children. It is a grab for land.
Parents who deal with their children in such a high handed manner; nothing but rules and a big stick, would end up with children who would be failures.
It is the wrong way to deal with such a big problem. The people themselves must be included in the solution otherwise it is more of the same old paternalism.

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Peter Yates
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators all,

The problems in indigenous communities are serious indeed. They are the result of a cultural collision tens of thousands of years in the making, and 40 years of bad policy, and where policy was not flawed, poor implementation on the ground.

What is needed is a radical renegotiation of the relationship between indigenous (particularly remote indigenous people) and the Australian State. What we have instead is an intervention that (albeit unintentionally) casts all indigenous people as suspects. What is more, it spurns the earnest efforts of all those workers in remote communities: indigenous leaders, educators, anthropologists, administrators health workers over several decades, with the facile idea that a response that was cobbled together in a matter of days could somehow succeed.

The truth is that the incidence of sexual abuse and violence in remote communities has been well known and documented for years. Governments, State and Federal, have been culpable in condoning, even funding, at least a generation of human rights abuses...with the consequences to be felt for many decades to come.

And now we have half a response, put together by people who do not understand the complexity of the interface between indigenous people and the State, that is worthy of one day of Senate reveiw!

Senators, this is simply not good enough.

Peter Yates, Alice Springs

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Justin Bowd
August 13th, 2007

This legislation is one of the most draconian and paternalistic drawn up in living memory. At the very least it requires more scrutiny and wider consultation.

There is a perception that this legislation is just another means of exploiting children for electoral purposes. Haste in passing this bill only gives credence to that view. The lack of independent thought on this issue raises serious questions about the role of the Senate.

What happens here has wider implications than the next election.

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Alex Webb
August 13th, 2007

These new laws are very upsetting to me as an Aboriginal person. We have been subjected to laws that have been directly responsible for the destruction of our traditional way of life, torn apart our families and our lands taken away.
Many of my ancestors fought to preserve and attempt to bring about a quality of life that is equal to that of non-Aboriginal people.
Many non-Aboriginal people such as entertainers like Peter Garrett with his band Midnight Oil also spread the the word through music.
Where is he now? We all know that he is now a member of the opposition to the current Government. Much of his bands music became number one selllers on the music charts and many Australians listened to his bands music because the message was getting through. It appears that he has also cashed in pureley to make a dollar out of the Aboriginal fight for cultural survival.
Peter Garrett please prove me wrong and as one of the advisers to the opposition leader I ask that if you trully believe in the mesasage that your bands music gave to Australians it is time to ensure that the rights of Aboriginal people are protected now and into the future.
There need to be closer consultaion with Aboriginal communities relating to how the issue of Child Sexual Assult is dealt with. The approach currently in place looks like the children are at fault. There are no support mechanisms in the remote communities and I am fearful that the new laws will lead to once again Aboriginal children being taken from their families "for their own good".

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Gillian Bovoro
August 13th, 2007

Our children , my children need to see a government which listens to the needs of the Aboriginal Peolpe of Australia. they need to see we are an equal, that we have the same rights as 'other' Australians.
So fat I can say it has not been been right or fair for our people. How much longer can we sit and watch a thoughtless, missionary minded, gun ho government tell us what we need and then impose it on us. It is right that some peole have said that they set our people up to fail.They take away services that are need for our communities, people have to go with out or travel more than 200-500km to get whaqt they are intitled to.They think they have the right to say, we cant do this or that.
Bring back our services, move alcohol and gambling places away from communities. Let us have better schools and access to them. Let us set up program within schools where children can have the same quality of education and life as 'other' Australians.Let us Go back to a Primary Health Care approach and educate people.
Help build strong communities, and strong culture.Let us empower our people by allowing them to not only access services but have the training to be able to operate them themselves.
This government talks about how we need to have a heavy hand to help us get back on track then Mr Prime Minister, put back our services, and flood money into these communities, ask the people what and how they think it can work.Australia should be ashamed of its Human Rights to it Traditional occupiers and ownwers of this land.
I feel for my people and for my children who are now seeing just how unfair this government has and is being to our people. Enough is enough. Start listening not to a handful of government picked community people but to all Aboriginal Australians.

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August 13th, 2007

The wealth and prosperity of our great nation is a tribute to vision, hard work and the land that we have been able to access and exploit. This land is Aboriginal land regadless of the myth of Terra Nullius.
The strength of Australia as an outstanding nation in which to live and raise a family in peace and harmony is a tribute to the sense of jusice and fair play that has, until now, underpinned our society.
To undermine the above for the sake of politial expediency is tragic and fills me with sadness. Aboriginal people need our support and respect, they do not ned to be further disenfranchised and disempowered. The position of some communities is due to past neglect and disinterest and dare I say, an underlying racism which needs to be acknowledged and addressed if we are to advance toward a truly great nationhood.
I beg those of you in power to consider the above reality and defend our greatness by bringing humanity and justice to the decisions that you make.Those of you who proport to be Christians or hold beliefs in a good and caring God, need to search your hearts and see if your decisions reflect these.

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Eileen Bentley
August 13th, 2007

YPlease think long and carefully about this legislation and do not let yourself be railroaded into supporting a retrograde law that will only pile further injustice and helplessness on the Aborigine people of Australia. This law will take away the self respect and self-confidence that comes with ownership of their lives and land and their problems will drastically worsen. A paternalistic approach while great for white Australians consciences has never worked for the Aborigine people.

Are our existing laws so useless that they need to be changed to enable us to help people? Empathy and respect should be the key to our relationship with the Aborigine people. And, through collaboration and consultation with the Aborigine community and consultation with the wider community, help to solve issues including health and the welfare of children subject to abuse - sexual and otherwise, drugs and alcohol.
If this is good legislation, then there is no harm in taking time to consider it. The welfare of the Aboriginal people of Australia is far too important for a rubber stamp vote.

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Bruce Furner
August 13th, 2007

When I hear what is happening to indigenous Australians because of the response by the government to the Little Children are Sacred report, particularly the lack of consultation with the elders, I am appalled and ashamed to call myself an Australian. To stop abuse is urgently necessary and vital to the survival of indigenous Australians. The Howard response is ill considered and appears to me to be likely to cause increasing problems. For one thing the permit system must remain until,if ever, a better solution is found. There must be greater consultation with elders and the recommendations of the 'Little Children are Sacred'report should be given far great respect. The lack of time taken for this legislation to be shoved through Parliament is an indication of the Howard governments contempt for the rights of indigenous Australians. I wonder if he will say SORRY if it all goes 'bugger up'.

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Huey Benjamin
August 13th, 2007

There has been NO consultation with the 2 authors of the report that precipitated this so called "emergency". This federal gov has been asleep at the wheel on Indigenous issues as has every single one of its predecessors. What an amazing election year "response", a pathetic trojan horse style attack on Indigenous life and rights with typical heavy handed paternalistic hysteria to top it off!! The top end has all those lovely minerals, arrable land, 70% of the water, the only trouble is it is ruined for exploitation by all those pesky Indigenous communities being in the way!! Well this new legislation will go a long way to "solving" that problem, with the first attack being the rollback of the permit system. What a disgrace!! From children overboard to black kids at risk.....a low point in a shamefull decdade of polititcs... with no light at the end of the tunnel from either side of politics

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Kerryanne Farrer
August 13th, 2007

I stand for all children and all people to be free. I do not stand for imposed legislation on communities and people who have not been consulted and empowered to be part of the solution. I implore our representatives in the Senate to search their hearts and ask is this really the answer? Any time in my life when a rule or law was imposed on me without being consulted the result for me was total disempowerment. Is this what we want for our aboriginal brothers and sisters and their children in remote communities. I say NO. What I want for all people is a feeling of real power that comes from dignity, respect and pride. This is what the real leaders in the Aboriginal and Non-Aboriginal communities have been creating for all these years. This legislation will undermine so much of the greatness that has been achieved. Power can only come from giving power not taking it away. I'm standing up for my brothers and sisters and I am not alone.

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max Gray
August 13th, 2007


the Howard Coalition Government never does anything without consultation with the USA's input,so look at history and read what the Americans did to their traditional land owners and what little the American governments gave the indigenous owners in return.

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Melanie Swalwell
August 13th, 2007

Shame on the Government for this cynically opportunistic intervention. While I understand the dynamics of what the Opposition is doing (or not doing) in not opposing the legislation, there does at least need to be a debate. The Greens and Democrats seem to be the only ones with any integrity on this issue.

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Patricia Kershaw
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators

I urge you not to 'rubber stamp' the legislation regarding Federal intervention in NT indigenous communities.

What consultation has the Federal government had with the Canadian government, a leader in the field of indigenous health and wellbeing? What consultation has the Federal government had with indigenous communities? How will this legislation affect communities which are operating successfully? Would the Federal government take such forceful measures if they were dealing with other sectors within our Australian community? What is the long-term plan, rather than the proposed short gap action, for communities in distress?

These questions need to be addressed. There is no quick solution to the problems facing some communities. Long-term solutions which will have long-term, ongoing effect, need to be carefully planned if we are not to create more problems than we solve.

I urge you to really make a difference to our society.

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olaf geerken
August 13th, 2007

Central Land Council's submission to the Senate committee is available on their web site
http://www.clc.org.au/media/Emergency_intervention_legislation.pdf

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ChristabelChamarette
August 13th, 2007

This is a further message to all Senators with particular call on the ALP. The response from Aboriginal community leaders and Committee scrutiny of the contents of the NT Emergency Powers Bills means that these Bills can no longer have any credibility as an appropriate response to the problems of child sexual abuse within aboriginal communities or to the safety and protection of children. The Racial Discrimination Act only requires rolling-back when discriminatory measures are being introduced. There is scope already in the RDA for special measures designed to assist people. Kevin Rudd and his Party are now perfectly placed to redraft these bills after the forthcoming election if they gain The undermining of the democratic process and the exploitation of an absence of check and balance in the senate means the public of Australia have had no voice. Christabel Chamarette former senator for Western Australia 1992-1996

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Rita Reitano
August 13th, 2007

Everybody wants to stop abuse but not with flawed laws making children less safe.

We expect more from our Senate, designed to rigourously scrutinise and vigourously debate the laws passed by
the lower House.

How is removing the permit system supposed to increase the safety of Aboriginal children? What flawed logic is being used here? What ulterior motives?

ENOUGH.

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August 13th, 2007

The assessment phase has gone exceedingly well....thanks to the personnel involved and not to the Prime Minister's planning. However, there has not been any estimate of the cost and method of health delivery and who is responsible for the same....one suspects that after the election the usual political neglect will again occur and any benefit will be lost in duck shoving between the Federal and Northern Territoy governments.

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Chanelle Carter
August 13th, 2007

After child abuse has been a problem in Aborginal communities for over 20 years, why is the legislation that is purporting to deal with it rushed through parliament without consultation with the communities that are effected? Why are the permit systems removed, and why are the recommendations from the reports in to child sex abuse in Aboriginal communities not being actioned? In particular, up to 97 recommendations from the "Little Children Are Sacred" report are not being actioned, and research conducted on behalf of Oxfam Australia has found that the proposed laws could actually exacerbate child abuse. This legislation does not address the issues at hand, and seems to be leading to a greater divide between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians rather than improving conditions of indigenous people. Child abuse in Aboriginal (and non-Aboriginal) communities needs to be dealt with, but these bills are potentially exacerbating the problem - please do not pass them in their current form. Please consult with Aboriginal groups and organisations to work together towards a solution to this problem.

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Gillian Elliott
August 13th, 2007

I don't know what to say that could offer comfort to the Aboriginal people. It is so obvious that insight and compassion are lacking from this intervention, I don't know what the answer is, but this strategy is not it. I am saddened that for all these years of this government, there has been opportunity to stop this terrible situation to offer genuine help and care, for those communities who need it and they have been ignored. Now, this is what they come up with. How can they be so blind to history? So blind to the real people who will be affected by this? I am just so appalled it brings me to tears. My thoughts and prayers are with the Aboriginal people. I pray for and implore the government to seek wisdom, insight, and true compassion, so that a meaningful solution that provides deep healing might be brought about.

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Barry Snmith
August 13th, 2007

With this latest blatent power grab Howard is adding in large letters in the sky to that which he began to write on the back of the Tampa:
That Howard is a dictator who will lie and cheat at any and all levels to achieve his own personal goals without regard to those he causes to fall by the wayside or the wishes of those with whom he should consult but chooses to ignore: THE PEOPLE.
And he has the gall to wonder why he is about to lose the forthcoming election and probably his seat in the Parliament. The answer is simple, he deserves to.

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Suzanne Gilkes
August 13th, 2007

The stark facts: Us European invaders came here and exploited this country at the expense of the Indigenous inhabitants. We have made untold billions through this exploitation of a land and a race of people. We have profited from their immense pain.

Now is the time to repair this damage, even if it costs us untold billions. The Senate must not remove the permit system, it should scrutinise the proposed laws in painstaking detail and come slowly to their conclusions.
The thinking world is watching us.

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Julian McAllan
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators,

You must reject this legislation because it is illegal, unethical and immoral.

The legislation is illegal because it contravenes the standing legislation of the Racial Discrimination Act and Native Title Act.

The legislation is unethical because it has been condemned by the authors of the Little Children are Sacred report that it purports to be a response to, implementing none of the Report’s 97 recommendations, and because the government has steadfastly refused to consult with Indigenous people over its proposed legislation, a shameful, anachronistic, disrespectful racist insult that even most ordinary Australians understand is utterly inappropriate.

The legislation is immoral because it is clearly an admission by the government that its policy of 'practical reconciliation' has failed dismally. According to the National Indigenous Times (available free online at www.nit.com.au), Indigenous health has been underfunded by more then $400 million a year for the duration of the Howard regime, and housing in the NT by an appalling $2 billion. Provision of quality education and meaningful and gainful employment to Indigenous communities to help them lift themselves out of the hopeless situation we have imprisoned them in has similarly been overlooked by this shameful racist government.

It is hard to see any connection between removing the permit system that controls access to Aboriginal communities and stopping child abuse. Police, the military and government officials have always been exempt from the need for permits, so it not for their access that the system needs to be suspended. Removing the permit system will only make it harder for Aboriginal people to keep unsavoury types out of their communities, aggravating rather than helping the situation. Could there be a covert reason why Howard needs to control who comes & goes, rather than continue to leave this to the traditional custodians to determine? Read on.

It similarly difficult to see any connection between seizing control of the land and stopping child abuse. No such connection has been explained or demonstrated by the government. What need could there possibly be for bringing in the army (unless it was the engineers, to finally build the infrastructure that successive governments have for decades failed to provide to remote Indigenous communities)? Do a handful of white and Indigenous paedophiles present such a powerful force that our police need military assistance? Or can you smell a rat too?

If, God forbid, Howard is somehow re-elected, we will all see soon enough whether the purpose of this land grab was in fact to give access to the military - and block it to everyone else - so that the uranium waste dumps slated for the NT can proceed unhindered. There is enough money in uranium and its lethal waste products to buy-off all but the most principled political opposition, and Howard obviously thinks he ‘has the numbers’. But he doesn’t have the numbers in the electorate. Australians have made it clear they don’t want clean green, not nuclear, energy.

So, if for no other reason, reject the legislation because it a bad career move for you. If you miss the hidden agenda here, you will not look like very astute senators. In the imminent post-Winston era you will be remembered as one of the senators who shamed us by enabling the covert gross violation of Indigenous rights for the sake of a dirty energy that the people you represent have told you they don’t want.

You don't want to be associated with the racist PM who received the biggest kick up the arse in history, not only being swept from power in the biggest landslide loss ever, but, as appears likely now, failing even to retain his seat in his electorate of Bennelong - from the top of the heap to not even being in the heap.

I suggest that the more distance you put between yourself and this legislation the more political cred you will have post Winston. And you’re going to need every atom of cred you can grab unless you’re happy to remain in the Opposition for longer that Howard has been PM.

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Brad Stringer
August 13th, 2007

My letter to the Senate:

Dear Sir/Madam

Given the obvious importance of this issue to all Australians, I for one hope that we do not see another failed attempt to tackle the indigenous issue with more money wasted and more people disenfranchised with no gain.

I have not had time to scrutinise the detail of the proposed legislation and simply cannot believe that we will see such drastic laws passed after just 1 day of Senate hearing.

One may well ask the purpose of the Upper House in these circumstances.

I urge you to consider the purpose for which you were elected and to return the legislation to the lower house for further consultation.

The democracy of this country has suffered enough!

Yours in good faith,
Bradley Stringer

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Gary Speechley
August 13th, 2007

Rational people agree that protecting our children, of whatever background, is of paramount importance. But to jump to action three months before a Federal Election smacks of opportunism and outright vote-buying, particulalry after a decade of inaction and indifference.

To deny fair and resaoned debate is undemocratic. Full stop! Whilst the intenti of this legislation may have been canvassed in the media for the last six weeks or more, seeing the legislation and having it debated, costed and tested is fundamental to our democratic process and the only way to ensure effective delivery of those much vaunted intentions.

We've seen the same approach adopted with water management, industrial relations, the sale of Telstra, and local government amalgamations. What vote-catching opportunity will present itself this week?

This is reactionary policy-making in response to polls and the hope that it will buy back votes. Under no circumstances can this be seen as "leadership" or of effective or efficient management of the serious problem at hand.

The Treasury Secretary warned us about bad policy introduced without consideration for anything but political outcomes.

But when you have control of both houses, that's a very large and ugly rubber stamp you're playing with. So much for responsible use of that power.

Apalling too is the attitude that "if you're not with us, you're against us". This line of argument has prevailed in our parliament in recent years, in many issues of national importance.

At least have the courage and decency to present arguments in debate and have the guts to have your arguments tested.

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Carly Grummisch
August 13th, 2007

There needs to be more discussion, more time allowed for debate on any legislation and, most importantly, discussion with aboriginal leaders regarding this legislation before these laws are voted upon. I fear that because these possible laws have appeared so quickly that any problems with them have not been ironed out. There is no band-aid fix for the troubles that Indigenous people are experiencing, this needs thought out planning and education and discussion with the people whom this will most affect...the Aborigines.

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Fred McGrady
August 13th, 2007

I believe if the Commonwealth Govt were concerned about the abuse of younger Australians, why don't they do something about the abuse of young, homeless children living from the earnings of prostitution in urban areas, as well as remote area where Indigenious children live.
Is it because the urban children have no land the government can take possession of.

Why don't the government target the homeless adults living in urban & rural areas making affordable accommodation available to these unfortunate people.
It confirms that the ideals behind the government's intervention into Indigenious communities, is to take over control of the Indigenious people's land.

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Fred McGrady
Justice of the Peace.
P.O. Box 94
East Moree NSW 2400

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Adele Dingle
August 13th, 2007

The tone of the report disturbed me as it smelled of a paternalistic approach. It scared me as being so similar in intent to the stealing of children in our recent sad history. Surely there is a way to stop the abuse of children in indigenous and non indigenous Australia where is it is equally rife, without degrading a whole race of people in the process. Please, Senators you need to take time to look at how this can be done. Labour was too slow in seeing this for what it is and is frightenly going to lose its own supporters just as the Tampa forced some of us away last time.

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Catherine Way
August 13th, 2007

It is important to get this issue right. A rushed bill through parliament, containing many flaws, and a lack of negotiation with the community members means that the bill is at risk of perpetuating the behaviour it is trying to dispell. Many Indigenous Australians suffer from a lack of self-determination. By taking away their permit system, there is a risk of further disenfranchising the communities.

Vote NO!

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Sky Mykyta
August 13th, 2007

The debate on the Government's NT emergency legislation is one of those once in a lifetime opportunities to demonstrate why you went into politics. If it was to truly serve the Australian people, if it was to ensure that minorities are not railroaded by majoritarian influence, if it was to demonstrate your compassion and humanity, you need to stand up during this debate and demand better. If you're wondering where to start, how about asking why the Government is not implementing the recommendations of the Little Children are Sacred report. Ask why is it necessary to, once again, dispossess and disenfranchise indigenous people. Ask why racial discrimination is necessary to ensure children are protected. Ask why we as a country have such a dismal record of protecting indigenous children and culture. Ask yourself if you really want to be held responsible in years to come for a second stolen generation.

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John Tebbutt
August 13th, 2007

Senators: Take heed of the calls to review this legisialtion. Especially concerns that it does not do enough to cater for inmproving health and housing in indigenous communities. Along with increased community based policing these are the things that will make a difference. Removing permits and tenure will only make the problems worse in the long run.

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jane lamble
August 13th, 2007

All recent state and federal legislation relating to minority groups stresses the need for consultation with a range of representatives from within those groups. The lack of consultation with indiginous people over how they perceive these problems smacks of retrograde and patronizing "we know best" policies like those resulting in the stolen generations.

Do not endorse this regressive proposal but support and empower indiginous people to participate in finding their own solutions through consultation and representation
Lest We Forget!!!

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Rebecca
August 13th, 2007

I am appalled and terrified by the hasty and ill-informed approach being taken by the government and the opposition in addressing the child abuse problems in Aboriginal communities. The proposed legislation is just one more example of the white man implementing “quick fix” measures without any attempt to understand the issues and cultural factors at work in indigenous Australian communities. The proposed legislation goes far beyond the immediate and urgent problems of child abuse and alcohol dependence, and tries to find ways around previously established laws.

The government has access to the report Little Children Are Sacred” and yet it seems to be ignoring those findings and recommendations, and using this crisis as an opportunity to further its own agenda.

We have an opportunity to make a real, long term, positive difference in our indigenous communities. Please, help make this a positive, unified step forward. Don’t let the government’s intervention become yet another source of division in our country.

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Geoff Rushworth
August 13th, 2007

With hindsight we can see the error on many of our treatments of our aboriginal population. Please take the time to consider what your grandchildren and the aboriginal grandchildren will say of your actions. We are doomed to repeat the past if we do not consider it. I want the steps taken in my time not to be a further step in the extermination of a unique culture and its peoples. Please take the time to give it the proper consideration to ensure that the choices made will benefit the individuals involved in a non paternalistic way.

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Stephen Barlow
August 13th, 2007

As a Territorian, I know that nobody up here believes in this legislation. Not a single person.

It is akin to a legal tsunami. It will forever wipe out all that is intrinsically special and unique in Aboriginal communities. The legislation has nothing to do with protecting kids. It simply steals land, discriminates, and patronises.

This is a war on Aboriginality that shames and demeans us all. It is a unilateral and unjust war, made evil by its populist and cynical timing. It is a war that will lose the hearts and minds of so many fair go Australians.

I will never forget the lie peddled by the PM that "the pendulum has swung too far in favour of Aboriginal people". And now this.

History will judge you harshly if you vote for this. There will be a black mark against your name forever. Show me you have a conscience rather that a heart of concrete.

Please listen to the people you purport to judge and represent.

Steve Barlow
Rapid Creek
Darwin

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tony mullen
August 13th, 2007

what's the point of passing legislation aimed at preventing child abuse in disadvantaged communities if it does not deal with child abuse or help the communities become less disadvantaged? no apartheid for australia please.

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Elizabeth Banks
August 13th, 2007


Control again of the indigenous people and their land. Its the land the government wants for which friends??
If the government really wanted to help with child abuse they would listen to the communities.

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August 13th, 2007

The numbers of white abused children in Australia far exceed the numbers of black kids.

Why have draconian rules that breach civil liberties only for black people?

One of your gentle Senators publicly said that not only should the children of Indigenous parents who suffer from addictive illnesses be removed from such parents (stolen children again?)but the children should immediately be adopted out!! No temporary removal, no waiting for rehabilitation, no provisions for detox and recovery!

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August 13th, 2007

You were voted in by the community to look after the community. We are all Australian citizens and are all equal under the law. Please show my Elders respect and honour them by listening to their voices.The government has turned the clock back to who has a permit and who doesn't. How many Aboriginal people did you consult with?. Talking to and listening to a a handful of peoples opinion is not consultation.Yes we want child abuse to stop but not using multiple police and army as the intervention. This is systems abuse all over again.Radical, rasict and Wrong. Where are the healing centres? Where are the Aboriginal counsellors? How many of the Black Deaths in Custody recommendations have been implemented? How many of the Bringing Them Home recommendations have been implemented? How many of the National and Regional Aboriginal Health Strategies have been implemented?. You can't just close down pubs. There has to be rehab centres ready to assist people thru detox otherwise the consequences will be fatal. This is all about getting Aborigianl people off the land so the government can mine for uranium.Stop playing the race card to win an election. Your are tryign to turn our Dreaming into a Nightmare. YOU ARE ON SACRED GROUND.!

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MARIE FISKE
August 13th, 2007

Taking away the integrity of Aboriginal people is not my idea of good government. Good government means caring sharing, supporting and respecting the rights of all people. Child abuse is a problem across all of our society
no single group should be ostracised whilst finding a solution to this problem.

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MARIE FISKE
August 13th, 2007

Taking away the integrity of Aboriginal people is not my idea of good government. Good government means caring sharing, supporting and respecting the rights of all people. Child abuse is a problem across all of our society
no single group should be ostracised whilst finding a solution to this problem.

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Kwellena Mambakort Wedge Island Aboriginal Community W.A.
August 13th, 2007

We say NO NO NO NO to this eratic legislation

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Aoiffe McLoughlin
August 13th, 2007

I know this needs to be addressed on a very quick basis but half hearted legislations passed with little or no consultation in the community is just a small band aid on a large scale wound! This was at your attention in plenty of time for action and unfortunately fell on blind eyes and deaf ears.

Get it right for a change..

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donna
August 13th, 2007

I have reason to be working with some NT Indigenous Communities, on an unrelated research project. Those communities that I have been in contact with recently, are deeply disturbed by the lack of consultation on these matters.

Lets take the time to do it right and make it work for everyone.

I urge you to not pass this legislation in its current form. Please review this legislation from a consitutional, anti-discrimination and human viewpoint.

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Pat Murray
August 13th, 2007

This matter is too important to go through without debate. To choose to curtail debate citing the need to act quickly after neglecting the issue for years is a false choice.

Pat Murray

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Zerin Knight
August 13th, 2007

Anyone who grew up as the child of an authoritarian parent knows that the Howard government's response to this terrible situation is NOT the answer. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence will see what the proposed legislation is really about - hegemony, ethocentrism and racism. This problem exists in so-called "Australian" homes, just as it does in the homes of true Australians - our Aboriginal population. In both instances it MUST be stopped. The best way forward is an AUTHORITATIVE one, based on informed decision making. The recommondations of the Children Are Sacred Report would be sensible and logical start to addressing this appalling problem in Aboriginal communities. Equally,similar action needs to occur to address this insidious offence in ALL cases.

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Mark Boyd
August 13th, 2007

Given that problems in aboriginal communities including substance abuse and sexual molestation have been known (and officially reported) for many years, it is difficult not to see the current coalition emergency measures as a political stunt to not only exploit the conditions in aboriginal communities for short-term political gain, but also as a means to begin to covertly wind-back aboriginal land rights.

This is a national crisis that requires deep, deliberate, truly consultative, long-term remediation. Please don't let John Howard continue to get away with this disgraceful, devious and dishonest behaviour.

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Helen Bishop
August 13th, 2007

It is essential that Indigenous people be included in the debate concerning the latest wave of legislation currently before the Senate. This does after all directly concern their interests and their needs. How do you know what these needs and interests look like when Indigenous people's are never adequately represented or not included in the debate? Australia's history clearly demonstrates the tragical impact colonisation has has let alone the ongoing policies and legislation set out with the intention to "care & protect" Indigenous people. Typically these have failed as social experiments to assimilate, control and demonise our peoples identity, humanness and social organisation. Instead legislation which fails to consider the cultural context in which Indigenous people live and experience their lives only further serves to limit the freedoms and liberties of Indigenous people particularly focussed on restricting our voices from the debate. Ahh yes democracy in Australia is only for the majority, which has lead me to believe that Governments focus is not concerned with us but with our land. It is an attempt to foist social policy intended to marginalise, dehumanise and disenfrancise us - further structural impediments which discriminate and alienate us from Australia. Who will protect the people themselves from the Government and its interpretation of what it deems is good for Indigenous people? Successive governments continue building tomes of information on Indigenous people with a multitude of dusty reports and recommendations to refer to, each echoing the same thing. Its time to collaborate transparently with Indigenous people for it is their aspirations and wellbeing which needs to be articulated in any legislation intended to serve them - not entrap or enslave them. Leave our land alone you have taken enough from us instead serve our people with dignity and respect in the interests of their longevity and wellbeing.

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August 13th, 2007

The current legislation affecting Northern Territory Indigenous Australians is as inappropriate as the forced removal of their children was in the past. Repeating grossly flawed government actions is criminal. It is only a further demonstration of the neglect and abuse of the Australian People by the Federal Government - by YOU, in order to protect the profits of unaccountable corporations.
Turn off 'shock jock' radio/tv - put down the propaganda filled newspapers. Instead, look to the years of research and the workers who are there now and GIVE THEM THE FUNDING THEY NEED to affectively address this problem.
I beg YOU - if indeed you are a member of the human race and possess a heart capable of compassion and a mind capable of rational thought - demand vigourous, thorough debate after proper consultation.
To do less is a betrayal to this nation and all of her people.

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Mike Armstrong
August 13th, 2007

Be STRONG, as you and your people have been for many thousands of years.
The depth of your culture compared to that of white Australians is an ocean compared to a puddle.

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renee darbyshir
August 13th, 2007

Please carefully consider the welfare of Aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory, by first asking the people how they perceive the problems, and second, inviting them to be part of a solution.

I worry that this hasty action will do nothing more than create the illusion of change. Knee-jerk, top-down reactions don't work in community. We need to understand the people, and the issues - if you want real and lasting change please don't hastily enforce further rules on an already alienated and angry people!

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HELEN BOWERS
August 13th, 2007

May I send greetings to the delegates and their communities while expressing my shame for the actions of the Audtralian Governament who purportedly represent our nation - "They do not speak for me".

I apologise. I say, "Sorry" for this latest travesty of justice; this land grabbing politicking, this greed, and stand in solidarity with you.
Helen Bowers. Carcoar NSW 2791

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renee darbyshir
August 13th, 2007

how is this different to the stolen generation?

seriously, i want to know.

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Geoff LeMessurier
August 13th, 2007

No one can criticise the protection of children but why is the government in such a hurry to do this? They have known these things were going along a long time ago. Stop playing politics, put the interest of the Aboriginal children first and have full and proper discussions before enabling legislation. That is one of the things I find most disgusting about this whole thing - Government giving the senate two days to consider 500+ pages of legislation. Just a joke - trouble is again it is at the expense of Aboriginal children.

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cindy o'connor
August 13th, 2007

Senators, please ask Indigenous leaders for guidance in this matter. We need an Indigenous Council of people like Noel & Pat etc to guide any action in Indige communities.
Don't whitewash the situation- take a long, hard look at the situation through the eyes of the community

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Ian Bray
August 13th, 2007

I am deeply cocerned that the Howard Government systematically dismantled ATSIC, Ripped hundreds of millions of dollars of funding away from the indiginous community, refused to apologise to them and to rub salt into the already deep seated wounds, chooses to ignore our indiginous population for the entirety of there tenure. Then all of a sudden, hey presto, they claim to have all the answers, where generations of Federal Governments gone before them have failed but at least had the political fortiude to acknowledge that the issues are far more complex than credited. Excuse my suspicion, but I can not help believe that the Howard Government is looking for the next Tampa crisis to help restore their standing throughout the Australian electorate.
I am even more concerned that this Government has taken the debate processes out of our parliamentry system by not allowing thorough processes of scrutiny to occur prior to legislation being passed. I urge all senators to seriously concider the implications to our democratic system if they choose to rubber stamp this act.
How can you honestly sit in the senate and say that you have all performed your duties and upheld the political review process if you have not been given the chance to review legislation on it's merit?
Regardless of what legislation is sent for review, it should be thoroughly scrutinised and only passed if it truly is in the best interests of the Australian people. How can you be satisfied that this scrutiny has been achieved with only one day of review permitted?
You can choose to rubber stamp this legislation, however I believe it will be at your own peril as you will have consigned all review processes (and your careers) to the political dustbin of history.
Do you really believe the Australian electorate will take any of you seriously if you allow this discriminatory, nuclear lobby group land grabbing/stealing legislation to come into existance.
Yes ALL children are sacred and all deserve the best protection our society can give them. However our democracy is just as sacred and deserves the same protection afforded to it. I believe that you are doing both a great diservice if you choose to rubber stamp this populist Prime Minister's act of land grabbing and discrimination.
disgustedly yours,
Ian Bray

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Bruce Underwood
August 13th, 2007

Does it Matter?

It would be remiss of me not to comment on the current Commonwealth Government’s intervention in Northern Territory Aboriginal communities.

Whilst many agree with a focus on and a concentration of police, health workers and funds in remote Aboriginal communities there is also widespread disagreement with the heavy handed approach to intervention being taken by the Commonwealth Government.

It would appear Mr Brough is genuine in his desire to do something. However will history show that his method works? Also what has the Commonwealth Government done for the last ten years? Well it doesn’t matter does it? Mr Brough will not be in the job in five years time and will not have to live with the consequences!

I however having worked with and in remote Aboriginal communities in South Australia for fifteen years have to live with decisions I make and the consequences. I know that adequate funding, good policy and working with communities is the only way to success. As part of the Anangu Tertiary Education Program (AnTEP) I have had to deal with the death of students and graduates and other failures but also the success of students who have gone on to become educators and leaders in their communities.

That success has come slowly because of genuine relationships with communities, hard work and continuity of programs.

Blowing old tough ideas once again into remote Aboriginal communities is not the answer. Provision of genuine resources and consultation is.

Bruce Underwood
AnTEP Adelaide Coordinator
University of South Australia

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Brett Davis
August 13th, 2007

This is such an important issue that has been neglected by both sides of parliment for so long. It is so crucial to act in a way that moves towards long term solutions, and is tied into serious efforts to 'close the gap' as has been quoted. How it can not include proper consultation and debate? It smacks of a shock & awe miltary solution promoted by this goverment in its misguided followings of larger powers. As has been repeated many times before, this appears to be a short term political solution done to the people, rather than with them.
I'm not sure whether the oppositions inability to articulate a meaningful response is part of a small target statergy of 'holding on' in the hope of winning the election, and then effecting worthwile legislative change, or if they only think the problem has a short political life and its not worth taking a hit over by appearing to be soft on peadophiles by scrutinising the laws. Either way it leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.
Nobody can deny that the problem is cronic and warrants immediate action, but if its tackled in the wrong way, my fear is that in a year, or five years, we will be in a worse situation than we are now, having won a battle but lost the war. As has been shown, shock & awe normally ends in tears all round.

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Emma Cook
August 13th, 2007

To The Senate,

I wish to add my voice to the many urging you to put the needs and rights of the Indigenous Australians who will be affected by these laws first.
It is the 21st Century, which was celebrated world wide with our wonderful nation hosting the uniting event of the Olympics. At that time we boasted to the world how forward thinking and proud we ALL are of our nation, our beautiful and unique land and it's amazing pre-history, ie. the culture and history of it's original people.
Please do your duty to these fellow citizens and stop our nation from taking a fooloish and shameful step backwards towards 19th & 20th Century oppression.

The social problems being faced by Central Australian communities are very serious, therefore, should be handled in a serious and fair manner. Not simply rushed through The Senate in the form of laws that fail to actually help the people who need it or have input from the people they affect.
I have heard on a number of TV programs and in reports, aboriginal community members and leaders saying that the issues they face are 'their' issues, and that they need to be able to take responsibility and ownership of them in order to make positive changes. I believe this is true, however, if these problems are 'theirs' that makes them 'all of Australia's'. So we all need to take responsibility and ensure that laws are passed that will actually help the people in these communities, especially the children, not take away their rights and enforce control upon them.
After all, this failed in the past right? let's learn from our mistakes, not bury our heads in our red sands.

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Lisa Newey
August 13th, 2007

Please, please take the time to fully discuss and debate all the issues relating to this situation. The rights of the indigenous population MUST be respected by involving them fully in this process. Rushing this legislation through makes it appear that there are elements which will deny people's rights and create further problems within this already hugely disadvantaged group within our nation. Don't make things worse - please !!

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Janice McCulloch
August 13th, 2007

There is so much at stake in this knee jerk reaction legislation.
The rights and freedoms of Aboriginal people and their communities are under serious threat with this interventionist paternalistic approach.

But not only that the rights and freedoms of our so called democracy has been seriuosly eroded as this Government completely ignores due process, makes decisions from the top with out any opportunity for public debate OR for that matter seriuos informed debate in the parliamentary process.

To wind back the clock fifty years with this legislation will be a crime. And from people who are in touch first hand with these communities it will be a total disaster.

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cmarchesi
August 13th, 2007

This legislation should focus on protecting the rights of people in our country not curtailing them. Don't set the movement to help Indigenous citizens back to the 1960s by taking back the little you have given.
Improvements in behaviour come from positive reinforcement and encouragement of things done right not by blanket punishment of whole groups for errors by individuals.

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Martin Male
August 13th, 2007

It is time to stop the past behaviours of white Australia's paternalistis approach to Indigenous people. It is time for a considered and enduring approach to the enduring problems of Indigenous people. Child abuse is a symptom of deeper underlying isssues. Address the issuses not just the symptom.For eleven years the Howard government has done nothing. Now all of a sudden they make this an issue. We need an integrated inclusive approach, not some white fella political stunt. Martin Male BSc Psychotherapist

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August 13th, 2007

The abysmal living conditions and levels of child abuse being experienced in so many Aboriginal communities are NO EXCUSE to dismantle the best provisions of the NT Land Rights Act !! While life is heavy for youg Aboriginal people growing up in these communities, this is no more of a "National Emergency" than it was last year, or the decade before, when the current crew took the reins.

Having spent 10 years working with indigenous communities in the NT on conservation land management projects (like weed control and fire management), I have long been concerned about the impacts on kids of the extreme levels of violence Aboriginal community members frequently inflicted on each other, particularly combined with the fuel of alcohol or petrol sniffing. I am glad the government has finally decided to do something pro-active about these issues.

While I applaud extra police, controls on alcohol, and hope to one day see measures for improved health outcomes (rather than checks), THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR REMOVING THE PERMIT SYSTEM FOR ABORIGINAL LANDS IN THE NT.

I strongly condemn this proposal, and urge you to reject sections of the proposed legislation that roll back the NT Land Rights Act.

Having worked on many different areas of Aboriginal land, I can assure you the permit system has never stopped government officials from having open access to communities. Nor has it in any way contributed to child abuse.

Rather, I found an urgent issue was the need to preserve the precious surviving qualities of the traditional culture. I found that where communities were further away from the destructive influences of mainstream culture, people were healthier, happier, and communities were functional. The permit system has been more effective in insulting communities from aggressive capitalism than any government welfare programs (which have failed to skill people to deal with the modern world from their own cultural context)

In remote communities, away from non-indigenous towns, people may have gone hunting rather than work in jobs that didn't exist, but there was no drinking either. My experience was that the permit system HELPED community health and welfare, rather than hindering it. I would ban all alcohol on Aboriginal land, including all wet canteens, rather than the permit system. But this would require measures to stop those already addicted to grog from leaving communities to move into towns to access whitefella grog shops too. It would require rehab programs, enforcement, and major incentives to stay in one's bush community and contribute. What would motivate a drunk to stay? What holds the most status within indigenous communities? Music from angry American rappers? Passing on culture to the next generation? Or demonstrating the strength of one's knowledge and commitment to one's clan and country by upholding traditional roles --- like active land management, or harvesting bush foods for the family?

The CDEP program the government wants to abolish used to enable hundreds of community rangers across Northern Australia to access small injections of capital funding, and top-up wages for full-time work, to undertake conservation work. Not exactly economic in the governments way of thinking, but maybe more productive than subsidising drought affected farmers to continue cropping or grazing Australia's most marginal agricultural lands?!

One long-standing effect of the permit system is that the best places haven't already been taken over by multi-national hotel chains, so the notion of joint tourism operations is still possible, as the most likely viable economic development. However, you could introduce systems to enable this kind of shared development (with strong indigenous participation in the planning to ensure people want the jobs that will alllegedly be offered to them) WITHOUT scapping the permit systems protections. There isx much more incentive for tourism developers to make meaningful deals with traditional owners when tourists are not allowed free and open access through all the attractions, so they need cultural guides to be available, which means doing business the right way, from the start.

Using this permit system as an excuse for the long-standing atrocious state of Aboriginal health, high levels of hideous domestic violence, or even the lack of economic systems in remote traditional communities is the kind of scape-goating I've come to expect of this crummy selfish and self-righteous government. What makes you think communities want to be just like our stressed-out over-worked white community?

Treat the causes, don't attack the permit system !!

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Libor Konicek
August 13th, 2007

Beyond the issue of 'taking' land and resources, don't forget that there may be an even bigger agenda and that's the Basic Human rights which our Government is already slowly dissolving. If our Government can pass legislation to 'send in the troops' to sort things out, then I can assure you that there is a fine line between taking over indigenious communities to moving into any community that has 'so called' social issues. What's next? Random searches and drug testing in our schools? Australia, maybe it's time to look beyond the thousands of video cameras and telecommunication networks recording your every move, to the very possible future of having military officers in your streets making sure you do as your told.

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Clive Collins
August 13th, 2007

It is an absolute disgrace the how this bill on Indigenous people and child abuse was not properly debated in the Federal Parliament.
How this important bill is being rammed through Parliament, almost without a whimper from Labor is gob-smacking.

I note that most parliamentarians didn’t like to debate their huge pay rise they gave themselves either. Take the money, then abuse the way a Westminster parliament should work.

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sharon andrews
August 13th, 2007

To all Senators,

I urge you to reject the draconian legislation relating to the welfare and rights of indigenous people in the Northern Territory. This legislation is not designed to address the human rights of indigenous children or the lack of social justice that sees indigenous communities go without basic ammenities. This legislation is designed to extend white privilege and the power and control of specific groups with a vested interest in winding back indigenous land rights. There are very few, if any references to the word children in the entire text of this 500 page controversial legislation.

To address the needs, wants and aspirations of indigenous children the government should enable indigenous people to be actively involved in the development of any intervention strategy. For once, I would like to see our elected representatives display the political will that is needed to achieve social justice and self determination for indigenous people in this country. I dare you to take up this challenge.

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Graham LAMOND
August 13th, 2007

Senators
Beware political grandstanding, poll-driven policy on the run, cynical vote grabbing and old jaded idea-less idealogues rattling sabers at windmills and black-fullas.
Please think very carefully about the long term consequences of such rushed barely considered reactionary legislation. Question how a situation that has been tolerated for the entirety of the current federal governments reign suddenly reaches crisis situation. Listen to what the small independant voices are saying including the authors of the report supposedly relied upon to evoke these emergency powers. Listen to vocies who have been clamouring to be heard on aboriginal issues for the last 11 years.
Distrust the recent "converts' to the cause of improving aboriginal health, their motives are sadly irrefutably political.

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Ben Wadham
August 13th, 2007

Not only is this Howard's latest plan ill thought out and poorly conceived it emerges within a particular history of radical incapacity to address the needs of indigenous Australins and indeed the needs of a nation that hass to address its past of illegal dispossession and future reconciliation. Over the past 10 years there has been:

Howard's public pillorying of the ATSIC and indigenous funding and financial management capacity - a public humiliation not a serious process of accountability;
The tacit support of Hanson and her ignorant perspectives on national sovereignty and Australian identity;
The diffusion of the Wik decision and the creation of a plan without consultation with the Indigenous working group;
The use of biased researcher Ron Brunton to develop a propaganda driven review of the Stolen Gen Report;
The obstruction of sound and sensitive policy by a lifetime of personal hatred of the Left and 'the cultural cringe';
A failure to encourage a mature and overdue Parliamentary apology to Indigenous Australians for past wrongs;
The installation of Mandatory sentencing in NT - a policy aimed squarely at Indigenous Australians;
The removal of bilingual education;
The amendment of the Municipal Services Act to remove MSO's and destroy selected Indigenous communities;
The failure to develop serious, integrated and visionary policy which address all aspects of Indigenous troubles - the failure ot provide policy and funding leadership...
The rejection of the Recommendations of the Reconciliation Council; and a history of white blindfold attitudes which are squarely driven by hatred and ignorance rather than reasonable and sensible policy... and there are many other incidents and attitudes that demonstrate that this latest policy is far more than a serious attempt to address the issue of child abuse...

This approach is a cowboy approach - a frontier mentality - firing off single poorly aimed shots wont address a complicated and longterm set of problems - this approach further ignores Indigenous leadership and contributes to the disempowerment and dissolution of indigenous communities...

It is a stupid colonials approach - most Australians have moved on, don't let government be dictated by tricky, self interested and myopic elites...

think for Australia and all Australians

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Jane Simpson
August 13th, 2007

Haste makes bad legislation. Even the Police Federation of Australia opposes certain aspects - the removal of permits and the extra liquor laws on top of the NT laws. Look at how much is to be spent administering the intervention (nearly a quarter of a billion), and how little is to be spend on what's needed - housing, education and jobs. Look at the rights that are being taken away - even the minimal rights of other social security recipients i.e. the right to appeal to an external body against the decision of a bureaucrat.

It would take a couple of months at most to review the legislation in comparison with the new NT legislation, and to consult with Aboriginal people. In the meantime, more police could be sent to the communities in need to protexct kids in the short time. That would be much better than rushing bad laws into action, and then having to spend years fixing up the damage.

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Jill StJohn
August 13th, 2007

How can rushing these laws through parliament equate to sound democracy? Protection of all children in Australia from abuse must be addressed. Without community approval of the proposed measures, aren't they just going to create further resentment in the future?

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Naomi Davine
August 13th, 2007

Please don't use an issue which needs compassion and care to further yourselves financially or in power/control. This sort of behavior, to act as if you are there to help and yet to be setting yourselves up into a situation of gain- be it to secure land for dumping toxic waist or what ever, this is betrayal, this is EVIL!
We stole this land! We can not be so ignorant to do it again. We caused near genocide! These people are hurting, we must work with them, we must hear what they need. We must stop taking from them, they are a profound and beautiful race, they need time to heal and re form. What kind of evil would take advantage of people who are so vulnerable?
Not me so if you represent me, do not behave with greed or in any covert way.
Yours in hope
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E McClement
August 13th, 2007

Treating the serious and delicate problems of our indigenous people in the Northern Territory with such disrespect by passing far such far reaching laws in one day, can only be seen as dismissive and arrogant. The damage to these people is now multiplied greatly by the manner with which they are being treated by the Australian Government.
ALL Australians will now be looked on with SHAME!!!

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josephine calman
August 13th, 2007

The Government has manipulated this situation over many years with the aim disembling any form of cohesion in the Indigenous communities, cutting medical, educational, welfare to such a point where it has now created the opportunity the Government has been looking for. The opportunity for radical intervention and a wholesale takeover of the Nation of Indigenous People. If we as white Australians cannot see through this serious ploy for control delivered through complete neglect, with the intention of bringing Indigenous people to their knees, then we are complicit in the Governments actions and the words freedom for all is a successful smoke screen. See the true intentions here, take courage and say NO.

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Naomi Davine
August 13th, 2007

Please don't use an issue which needs compassion and care to further yourselves financially or in power/control. This sort of behavior, to act as if you are there to help and yet to be setting yourselves up into a situation of gain- be it to secure land for dumping toxic waist or what ever, this is betrayal, this is EVIL!
We stole this land! We can not be so ignorant to do it again. We caused near genocide! These people are hurting, we must work with them, we must hear what they need. We must stop taking from them, they are a profound and beautiful race, they need time to heal and re form. What kind of evil would take advantage of people who are so vulnerable?
Not me so if you represent me, do not behave with greed or in any covert way.
Yours in hope
Naomi Davine

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Louise weber
August 13th, 2007

I am a Social Scientist and have lived and worked in remote NT communities since 1994 - so i know the context well. There is disadvantage and levels of dysfuntion (also found in suburbs right across Australia), but remote communities are also where the first peoples live on their homeleands and outstations and where their relationship to land, language and culture remains strong - i.e. where the key determinants of Indigenous well-being actually exist, where children grow up with the extended family, learn to hunt, perform ceremony and the practices that express their identity and are the key to their cultural survival.
That this legisaltion stands to destroy all of this - commmunity by community - is not just lacking integrity, but an affront to all Australians - black and white. The deeper you delve into the political and broader context for this legislation, the worse the picture becomes. I no longer believe the key purpose of this legislation is the 'safety of children', but rather the devolution of remote indigenous communities in the NT. This legislation other purpose can thus only be clearing the path for the roll out of the uranium industry on land where indigenous people still live; eg the proposed nuclear waste dump sites near Alice (x2), Tenant and Katherine. All this is only made possible by a the maligned intent of an arrogant government and a contempt for hard won indigenous rights. The Senate is there to make just decisions and surely to protect the vulnerable in this process. Do your job!

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Graeme Lind
August 13th, 2007

The Federal Govt. has addressed the report on child abuse incorrectly by making a blatant land grab of indigenous land based on false a pretex. They have not addressed the major points covered in the report on child abuse.

The whole exercise is only a Pre-Election Stunt.

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Maggie McKenna
August 13th, 2007

Your comment
How long will it take for Australia's policy leaders to catch up with the rest of the world in creating a society which is no longer de facto apartheid.
Any generation of leaders can demonstrate that they can see a bigger picture if they wish. Remember Margaret Mead who said "Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. In fact it is the only thing that ever has" (to misquote)
Please give our kids at least the opportunity to be able to look our indigenous neighbours in the eye.
Maggie McKenna

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Kerry Ford
August 13th, 2007

Right at the beginning, Howard was quoted saying:
"Imagine if it was Marrackville"
Yes, imagine!
Imagine if the army walked into your childrens school, parked on your suburbs main street.
Imagine if you no longer had protection under the Discrimination Act.
Imagine if objecting to the strategy positioned you as "not caring about the children"
Imagine losing the rights you so barely have on your land in the first place.

Imagine being powerless to stop what was happening.

Imagine!

WE ARE SO ANGRY
WE ARE SO ASHAMED.

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Suzy Carter
August 13th, 2007

11 years of inaction, then this..! Whilst we acknowledge the urgency of the problems, it is scandalous that the reforms and recommendations of earlier reports are not being factored into the action. Please use your influence to address the "police state" overtones,and ensure the communities are genuinely supported in their problems.

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Gay English
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators

I live and work in the NT with Aboriginal people and have done so for 35 years. This work has been and is on the 'frontline" of successful and good practice and lead by Aboriginal people. I request you as the Senators who are best in the position to protect our interests take on the following comments and vote down the so called reform Bill which is not going to help children but is the first step in dismantling the Land Rights Act. I am unable to protest directly in Canberra about the Commonwealth's unilateral takeover and land grab (of Aboriginal lands) in the name of the distorted picture about the allegedly much abused Aboriginal children of the remote towns in the NT. The overall picture being pedalled through the media is all Aboriginal children are abused and this is simply not true, and serves to distract from the overall issue of violence against children throughout our entire society. The biggest problem lies in the demoralised town camps and decrepit public housing in places like Palmerston, Katherine, Alice, Tennant and Darwin. Use the laws we have now and give us the funds to properly enforce them. I reckon the biggest abuse is the loss of these children's birthright and land rights, and the opportunities that is offered through the sensible and efficient implementation of the Aboriginal Land Rights Act (NT) 1976. The current federal government has been notorious for restricting the fiscal ability for the Act to be properly used. The Federal Minister holds the purse strings, and has actively restricted the development of successful programs such as Caring for Country for years, it is still funded with core ALRA s64 money at the same levels as it was 10 years ago. It is also true that successive governments have failed to act, particularly over the past 35 years and have in fact contributed massively to the on ground service delivery failures everyone is bleating about now.
The biggest most recent failure of government were their decisions not to act on the recommendations of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Black Deaths in Custody. The commission report clearly indicated that the underlying issues contributing to Aboriginal disadvantage at all levels of Australian society had to be managed as a matter of urgency. That was 1988, even that left 20 years to act, but they never did. Now to attack and dismantle the only decent thing to have happened to Aboriginal people in the NT is negligent in the extreme.
I know that traditional owners have NOT BEEN CONSULTED DIRECTLY about the 99 year leases, for example, in the case of Groote Eylandt where it is alleged that TOs have agreed in principle to 99 year township leases. This is patently not the case and in fact they are opposed by ALL senior owners of the Groote town areas (and the island for that matter). What they want is proper funding and support not the removal of support. As a senior TO, said to me this morning: "they are taking away the last thing we have...".

If you aggregate the attacks on NT Aboriginal people: eg. removal of CDEP in exchange for virtually no jobs scenario -where the hell are the jobs with real wages being facilitated by the Feds? For example FACSIA have not been so quick to stop white contractors coming in to Aboriginal communities to do the work (eg fencing contracts at Robinson River as we speak); removal of traditional owners decision making powers over their country with unilaterally imposed 5 year leases without compensation (try doing that to a cattle station or over any other community in Australia); removal of permits - how ignorant are Howard and Brough to think outsiders will not move onto country outside communities... they are already difficult enough to manage! The Feds introduced permits decades ago to help control exactly what they allege they are trying to control now - grog (now drug) running, and general carpetbaggers. If they think permits don't work try managing things without them, I know I have been in the situation. Now the NT police have voiced their publically support of the retention of the permit system.
And what of the tokensitic (and extremely paternalistic) glad handing visits to communities by the military and para military arms of government... and to what real end - the further undermining of NT Aboriginal leadership by not consulting at any level except through the editorial of the Weekend Autralian? The senate must finally mitigate the shattering of the cultural base for magnificent art, cultural and ecological knowledge which is the tremendous outcome of the maintenance and support of a dynamic Aboriginal culture... not some culture in aspic as Howard and his ignoramus cronies seem to believe. And this in spite of massive bureacratic incompetence over 35 years. The problem is in Canberra and the failure to genuinely support self determination, which has lead to corruption and the ascendancy of corruption. Pretty big negative social impact I reckon.

If you travel elsewhere in Australia sans Land Rights the loss of detailed Indigenous knowledge and language is generally much greater than evidenced in the NT. It is (or was) one great hope that this fine Indigenous Knowledge can continue to provide the springboard for improvements to all peoples' lives in a culturally sensible way (ie keep the baby and get rid of the dirty water).

Finally the effective removal of all NT citizens from the national democratic process is cause for a collective sorrow. My ancestors didn't fight and die in 2 world wars for a miserable little third rate dictatorship that didn't give us a say... where are the Australian values of a fair go now? I doubt that we will recover from this easily, and it will be up to our children to pick up the pieces. I and many other Australians blame John Howard and his ideologue cronies personally for this and particularly the undermining of our values and demeaning of Australia in the eyes of the world. What about governing for all of us.
Paul Josif, Northern Territory

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Marion Woodman
August 13th, 2007

In all my life, I have never been so disgusted by the actions of a Federal Governmnet. In the guise of doing good, you - Mr Brough - are committing crime after crime against Indigenous people. And everyone will pay, one way or the other.
Your selfish actions will not bring about lasting change, only shame, indignity and smug self satisfaction for you.

The total senselessness of what you are doing is breathtaking - only a few months ago you told us that salvation for Indigenous Australians would come about through home ownership. What a joke!! When thousands of non-Indigenous Australians are suffering 'mortgage stress' even with double incomes in a job-hungry market, you're telling Indigenous people - with poor health, no jobs in the outback, no education to speak of, and so often in utter despair - not hope, for their futures - that they should buy an overpriced house in the middle of nowhere.

And now you take the ultimate actions in paternalism, sending in your army mates and medicos, to blitz the field .... and then what?

From one extreme to the next - you dont know what you are doing!!

I lived in the NT for >35 years. I am a mother of four, a midwife, a nurse and have a couple of degrees. But you, and your mates in government have made me so very ashamed to be an Australian. I cant wait to see the back of you all, and hope and pray that the incoming Labor government will send in builders to make rammed earth houses, with solar power, and sensible water solutions, and community led workshops, and gardeners, and preventive health strategies, and just about anything else except the military and God's army. Then, maybe, we can lift our heads again to the world and show that we are compassionate, and clever.

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Veronica Brady
August 13th, 2007

It was interesting today to hear that the Prime Minister has been exhorting the government of Iraq to bring about reconciliation between different grpups in that troubled country when he, Mr Howard, is the man who has all but destroyed the pocess of reconciliation between Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Australians, at the official level at least. At the moment he is continuing this process in the propsosed legislation which rides roughshod over the wishes of many Aboriginal people there, has been initiated without consultation and without any understanding of or respect for their culture in general and relations with land in particular. I believe that every human being, regardless of differences of culture, power or wealth has an equal right to dignity and self-determination and can only implore the Senate to take a stand for these principles and opppose measures which put us at odds with our international obligations under the United Nations Charter.

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Jessamine Gibb
August 13th, 2007

Dear Sir / Madam,

Coming soon after several government attempts to persuade traditional owners in various locations to give up their leases this can action can be seen as nothing other than a sneaky land grab, most probably to assist in the expansion of the Northern Territory mining industry.

The ALP's refusal to stand against this action just confirms what many have suspected for a long time, that ALP really does stand for 'Another Liberal Party'.

Of course child abuse is a problem, as well as alcoholism, but these issues have existed in both the Indigenous and non-Indigenous communities for many decades. In fact, I recently learnt of one study which revealed that child sexual abuse was no more prevolent in Indigenous families than in other communities. Paternalistic interventions are not the answer, even when well-intentioned, which I have no reason to believe these actions are.

As for the 'mandatory sexual health checks'originally discussed when this program was first revealed. I pray that these have been scrapped. I empathise with what these children would be feeling...white people come and interfere with their private areas against there will - If they hadn't been sexually abused before that time then they would feel so afterwards, and if they had been it would be like reliving the abuse again.

Again and again this government and the opposition make me ashamed to be a 'White Australian'. I shudder to think that some Indigenous people judge me and my loved ones on the basis of their actions, and those of others who simple- mindedly follow the problem-reaction-solution propaganda shamelessly used against us by the policical elite!

Yours sincerely,

Jessamine Gibb

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Colleen Stone
August 13th, 2007

To all Senators ...

Australia's Human Rights record is appalling and the current violation of indigenous rights while hiding behind the excuse of child protection, is an international embarrassment. As a teacher of secondary students who have always found it difficult to understand how Australians treated indigenous Australians so badly in the past, I find it impossible to explain the current government's actions. With the benefit of hindsight and a history that requires ongoing apologies, how can we override indigenous rights yet again. My students will inherit a legacy of further shame and embarrassment - for actions committed on their behalf, in their lifetime.



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richard thode
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators,

I cannot see how the Parliament of Australia can accept such huge changes to the fundamental way blackfellas and whitefellas live together and work together without a long and detailed consultation. I am yet another Australian who belives what is being done is a serious wrong that will set back Reconciliation by decades, and that we will be judged harshly not just nationally but INTERNATIONALLY for at least as many future decades.

I am proud to be a member of the Public Health Association of Australia's Special Interest Group on Indigenous Health, as is Pat Anderson. Pat is co-author with Rex Wilde of the The Little Children are Sacred report. The proposals the House of Representatives has already passed, and the Senate is now debating, DO NOT represent the recommendations of that report. Those recommendations, and recommendations from many other earlier reports that have been ignored, are what should be supported now.

You the Senate are in a position to stop such ill-conceived legislation in the last days of the present Parliament, and make sure it is an early and urgent item on the agenda of the NEXT Parliament, with sufficient time for true consultation.

Yours sincerely

Richard Thode

Newtown NSW 2042

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Tarni Cooper
August 13th, 2007

I am deeply concerned about the disparity of opinion over whether these 500 pages of legislation are controversial. I believe we need serious debate to ensure the voices of experts and those most affected are heard, not a brief 3-day parliamentary sitting.
The legislational findings of OXFAM alarmed me- I don't want to see changes occur under the guise of protecting children, when an educated party such as this can find no correlation between the objective and the 'solution.' We seem to be regressing to the days of introducing cane-toads to control sugar-cane beatles. We have since learned the importance of avoiding band-aid measures and carefully assessing all possible detrimental implications of our actions.
I want to be ensured that my Senators desire education, not ignorance. How can this be achieved in 3 days?

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Peta Van Rood
August 13th, 2007

I beg you to consider rejecting this most retrogressive, paternalistic return to the Racist and Assimilationist Policies of pre-1960's Australia as regards the Indigenous Peoples of this country.
We do need to continue with the succesful educational and sociological implementations that have slowly been developing in Australia over the last 40 years by all previous governments.
Firstly however, I would argue that this does not include disenfranchising the Indigenous Community from their Lands.
Secondly,this includes not humiliating the Aboriginal Community further by creating them as having WORSE child-abuse issues than does our larger non-indigenous community. At present we live with the horrifying statistics of ONE CHILD IN FOUR suffering from some form of adult abuse in the NON-INDIGENOUS larger community.
Thirdly, while I fully endorse the use of our Military Forces in Peace Creation, we do not see the Australian Army being flown into many Australian other communities to rescue all the abused children that we have in this country! And it is well recognised that there is diminishing money for the social services that already exist to deal with these issues rendering them ineffective and often destructive.
Please reject this proposed legislation on the grounds that it is rushed, ill-considered, discriminatory, and racist.

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Geoff Wilson
August 13th, 2007

The most important piece of legislation -- 500 pages long!! -- relating to Aboriginal affairs since land rights legislation and it's being rushed through parliament in less than 1 week. Parliamentarians, let alone citizens, have little or on time to read, let alone consider and respond to this legislation. The claim that "everyone knows its main points" is a furphy. Once again, an untrustworthy government is asking us to take them on trust! Sorry, no can do! This rush job demonstrates complete lack of respect for parliament and citizens alike. In particular, it assumes rather than seeks to win Aboriginal support, which, as we know cannot be assumed. Needless to say, if Labor were in government and responsible for such abuse of parliament and democracy, the Coalition parties would be screaming blue murder. Unfortunately, we know not to expect such consistency from them.

If their concern was sincerely and simply focussed of dealing with child abuse, perhaps existing legislation might have been sufficient. Certainly there is no need to disrupt community access and land rights provisions. This legislation is a Trojan horse for winding back the clock (to mix metaphors!).

Not only do many of us condemn this government for such draconian, discriminatory and paternalistic legislation and intervention, but history will surely do so as will.

Poor fellow, my country, indeed.

Geoff Wilson

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morris kelly
August 13th, 2007

Your commentIt is with a deep sense of personal shame that I admit to being an 'Australian'. The unseemly haste in bulldozing this legislation through the Parliament diminishes us all - especially in light of government refusal to consult fully and effectively with those most affected by this deplorable action. It must not be passed in its present form.
Indigenous Australians have suffered for two hundred and twenty years such an assault on their culture as can best be described as attempted extermination. Perhaps it is now time for indigenous Australians to establish their own representative organisation independent of white governments, to push now to reclaim that sovereignty which was never ceded to Great Britain; to demand with one voice the right of self-determination enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

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beverley cunningham
August 13th, 2007

senators do your job. the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for goodmen to do nothing. a good man once said "by their fruits you shall know them" Mr Howard we now know you. you have had 11 year to show you care for these people and "the little children" and what have you done for them,zero. oops i forgot your now sending in the troops to address sexual abuse hmmm can we expect to have the troops marching in on the churches as they too have awidespread problem with this same issue maybe even the vatican, {there"s some prime real estate] forgive me I digress, this bill has nothing to do with care and concern for these people, it hides something more sinister.Senators as servants of the people do what you know is right for these people and serve them well, Say no to this legislation and sleep well

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Amanda Rosenfeld
August 13th, 2007

Dear Parliamentary Representatives,

After emailing both major parties to express my concerns on this issue, I have to say, I was pretty disgusted. The way the whole situation was portrayed in the replies I received and also particularly in the media in such a simplistic, stereotyped way! I have many aboriginal friends and also am aware (and this aspect has received no publicity in the press at all) that MANY aboriginal communities in the NT and in the Gulf have been making big and frequently successful efforts to bring down the levels of substance abuse in their midst, instituting a wide range of policies to curb excessive drinking etc. The way that federal politicians have ridden roughshod over the rights of aboriginals (especially the lack of consultation with elders) in these communities to own and solve their own problems is totally unacceptable and I want to protest to the new laws in the strongest possible terms. I'm as against child abuse as the next person, I abhor it, but there simply has to be processes of consultation with leaders within these communities, otherwise we are simply going down the old paternalistic paths of governments telling blacks what to do etc. We need to support indigenous people to help themselves overcome these difficulties, otherwise there won't be any long term solution.

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Anna Keohan
August 13th, 2007

Dear members of the Australian Senate
There is no doubt that effective yet compassionate measures need to be taken to ensure the safety of children and other vulnerable people in indigenous communities. Yet it seems that while this problem has been identified for a very very VERY long time, it is suddenly and miraculously NOW the time (conveniently scheduled just before an election) to force a rushed and drastic ‘radical emergency’ program through legislation with little or no consultation with the indigenous community affected. Furthermore, the proposed legislation has more far-reaching implications, including laws that impact land tenure and rights – with the very real threat of this dictatorial current government using its acquired power to grant mining rights or offer the opportunity to dispose of nuclear waste – with no checks and balances in place, and no reference or consultation with the indigenous owners of the land. (And just exactly what is the connection between land ownership and child abuse anyhow? Please explain.) This legislation is hasty, ill-considered and cannot be viewed other than as inappropriate intervention and a violation of indigenous rights.
Such important issues demand more time, more consultation, and a more compassionate and inclusive approach. Don’t just rubber-stamp a bill that is so flawed and so hastily offered with such little opportunity for detailed review.
I urge you all to refuse to support this legislation in its current form, and I demand you exercise your obligation as representatives of the Australian public to insist upon this bill being sent back for re-drafting after – and only after – proper appropriate considered consultative research and discussion.
Thank you.
Anna Keohan
Marrickville 2204

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Elizabeth Turner
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators,

Please Please Please make sure that you are doing what we pay you to do, which is acting in the best interests of the whole nation. I urge you to actually read the entire 'Little Children are Scared' report thoroughly! You will realise that rushing through this legislation is a major problem. Just think back to the stolen generation and the consequence we are still suffering and you wont be able to vote it through with only 1 day of debate.

Proponents of the legislation are saying that the abuse of children can not go on and I totally agree, but I am not racist enough to think that only these children are affected. Why do only these children deserve our attention? If there was nothing wrong with the legislation then it would cover every child in every electorate including yours.
Can you imagine for one minute if the army and police came into your electorate and all the children of that electorate where subject to child abuse checks? Furthermore I am aware that there is no such thing as a medical check that can identify children that have been sexually assaulted, unless they have major injuries as a result. This is a very small proportion.

What do land rights have to do with the sexual assault or neglect of children?
If the legislation is tied to land rights for indigenous people surely it is only just that non indigenous adults in the same situation should loose their homes. How sad that indigenous children may be punished by loosing there land rights for the sin of being a victim.

I have been following this in the media and it has been like a bad dream. I never thought an Australian government in my lifetime would make another massive mistake regarding the indigenous people of this country. When are the governments going to learn? One of the authors of the report was on the ABC last week and she was devastated.
Off all the concerns she expressed the 1 that struck me as the most illuminating was that not even 1 of the 97 recommendations set out in the report will be implemented. All I wanted to do is cry. I couldn’t believe what I saw with the Army and police going into these communities. I though I was watching a movie.

This is 2007 and we have enough problems without adding racist legislation.

Elizabeth Turner.

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Jocelyn Moen
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators,

I believe in the power and importance of LISTENING. There can be no justice or progress or any true dialogue without it.

PLEASE, listen to the people whose lives and families are and will be changed by this legislation.

Regards,
Jocelyn Moen

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John Edward
August 13th, 2007

I am deeply concerned that, although past and recent inquiries and reports have at last spurred action on the miserable conditions that afflict parts of some communities in the Northern Territory and elsewhere in northern and central Australia, the actions urged in the reports do not seem to have been taken up in the measures announced in the current legislation. I am further dismayed that, where this deviation from proper long-term measures proposed in report after report has been justified by a cited need for urgent, emergency actions, the current legislation includes provisions for long-term changes to land tenure and access arrangements that go to the heart of our compact, built over decades, with the dispossessed original inhabitants of this country. It is scandalous that the Minister, under a cloak of emergency action, could bring in long-term changes that he has espoused over years. It is also deeply disappointing that the Northern Territory government has been marginalised and villified in this process, under pretext of its supposed tardy and niggardly response to the crisis in some communities, when the Minister's response will cost Australia amounts in the hundreds of millions. If only the NT administration had access to these funds in past years!

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paula kelly
August 13th, 2007

I say put yourself in there shoes how would you feel if you were invaded by the police and the army so very threatening. They have already had there spirit taken away from them Be kind and do it in a gentle loving way. Love them and care for them instead Please listen to them for a change

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Kim
August 13th, 2007

The Howard government has systematically dismantled all the vestiges of democratic process over its 11 years of government.

There is nothing liberal about this government, which seeks to concentrate power in the executive and away from the floor of parliament house, and in the process violate citizen's trust in them as fair-minded and capable community members who will stand up for their beliefs and thus create an equitable and just society. There is nothing equitable and just about invoking section 54 of the constitution if and when it pleases to ram unpopular changes through parliament without negotiation with nor approval by the state governments and the citizens who live and vote in those states.

No government has used this section of our constitution more in our history since Federation. Is it being justly invoked to address a true emergency? The Howard interpretation of an emergency however belies the common understanding of what an emergency constitutes, as according to the Oxford dictionary's definition, an emergency is "a serious, unexpected, and potentially dangerous situation requiring immediate action." Was the widescale abuse of children in indigenous communities not serious, unexpected and dangerous when the Howard government was elected to office in 1996, and worthy of immediate action then?

Is the real emergency that the Liberal party lacks a viable platform to stand on before it enters the impending federal election?

This legislation and the manner of its introduction to parliament is not democratic and it is not fair. Giving this proposed legislation a fair go would be allowing for several weeks of debate in parliament, just like we had in the good old days. Oh wait a minute, that hasn't happened since the before the Howard days, has it. Funny that.

What's not funny is that indigenous communities in every state across Australia will have their rights violated and laws enshrined for the protection of their communities dismantled, so the Howard government can finally be seen to be doing something about a problem that has been in existence for the entirety of its 11 years in power. And bugger that tax-payer funded reports from experts in the field came up with completely different strategies for dealing with problems of child sexual abuse, recommendations which like those in the Aboriginal Deaths in Custody report published years before, have never ever been followed?

The removal of Aboriginal rights to self-manage and using the military to enforce its policy is not news to Australians with a healthy conscience.

Haven't we been there before? Howard would have us see a return to the days of Menzies, when the White Australia policy existed and indigenous communities lives were dictated by the Commonwealth government.

Are our democratic processes being systematically eroded?
Are we turning neo-fascist in the process? I just hope not.

If you are a Coalition Senator, I urge you to cross the floor on this issue, for the health and protection of our democracy.

If you are a Labor Senator, I can't urge enough for you to argue with loud and angry voices to this proposed legislation and try hard not to have indigenous communities right to self-management and native title abolished.

I thank the Greens and other minor parties for their opposition to this proposed legislation.

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Madonna Hodges
August 13th, 2007

I respectfully request the Legislation in relation to Indigenous People's issues in the Northern Territory be stopped. This legislation is archaic & demeaning. What Aboriginal People need is self determination, continuity & the support to do so. Often times great projects are implemented by the Communities & just when they're about to flourish the funding is stopped because someone in Canberra or the Territory / State Capital thinks they have a better idea & / or political agenda.

Please do not allow this to continue. This Legislation is being rushed into the Senate & it seems nobody is concerned with the long term devastation it will cause to Communities & Aboriginal People as a whole.

Australians trust that you represent the BEST interests of ALL Australians. Please keep your conscience clear & ensure this Legislation is STOPPED!

Do not allow political agendas & the up & coming Elections to sway your vote.

VOTE 1 - ABORIGINAL RIGHTS!

Yours faithfully in the knowledge Aboriginal people will be supported in genuine self-actualisation.

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Andrea Selvey
August 13th, 2007

Your While any caring and thinking person will agree that the protection of our children is of paramount importance, it is also clear that in order to achieve real and lasting outcomes, the people concerned need to be included and given a voice. Listen to the people on the ground and work with, not against, Indigenous leaders and the Indigenous community please. comment

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Joel Catchlove
August 13th, 2007

Dear Senators,
I am writing to express my grave concern and echo the voices of Indigenous Australians who haven spoken against the introduction and apparent attempts to rush the Northern Territory Emergency Response Bill through parliament this week. While I believe that the health of Aboriginal Australians should be the foremost priority of the Australian Government, I also believe that the long-term success of these measures depends on sincere consultation with the Aboriginal communities. Indeed, as history shows, intervention without proper informed consultation and partnership with communities is guaranteed to fail.

Given the dramatic changes these Bills are expected to cause - including changes apparently unrelated to the issue of child abuse such as the sweeping changes proposed regarding Land Rights, I strongly urge that the bills be held over for discussion until parliament resumes in September. Such a delay allows for both the necessary consideration such proposals demand and for a "full-blooded debate" on this issue. It is only through careful public discussion and analysis that we can ensure development of the the best legislation possible to address this serious concern.

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merrie Steventon
August 13th, 2007

I am concerned. I know that something has to be done to ameliorate the living conditions of many Australians, the indigenous Australians in particular after many years of neglect, misuse of alcohol and eroding values of community. I am concerned at the blanket solutions proposed by Govt: removal of the permit system, the issue of land lease.The lack of inclusion of elders in policy making. As an Australian I am very concerned, very ashamed of our history. It's time to stop talking and action is needed. The right action.

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john and elizabeth Royal
August 13th, 2007

We totally agree with Muriel Bamblett (Age 13/8) that " the nationasl emergency is not about children at all. It's about land and rights." Shame on you Howeard and Brough.

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Harry Bremner
August 13th, 2007

To all white Australians, stop interfering. Our mighty warriors, especially those in the sacred circle of the senate have decided.
They have proved both the Australian Army can be used Internally against a meagre impoverished etc etc ethnic community.
They have proved that both they and the American military can build a magnificent air strip in the middle of nowhere to cope with the biggest of transport planes [mining gear? heavy machinery deliveries?] a feat whereby they must be given the respect they DEMAND.
The Fact The Prime Minister, the only Minister without a port folio hasn't GIVEN the senate means they have no option other than to trample on the indigenous peoples of this land.
Why is it that you worry, it won't be until our grand childrens time before the Nazi wheel turns onto us WHITE australians, yes Small a australians, if it is not "meat pie Kangaroo or etc, it can't be of concern to a WHITE australian.
The Queen will always come to our aid, after all we have a CONSTITUTION. We can always have a referendum and change this insane meglomania of one man GIVING our REPRESENTATIVES an opportunity to act on their conscience and go to the constitution to guide them, they don't need it they have their LEADERS and it aint the white yellow swarthy or black Australians. Too much do they involve themselves in matters which should be questions of referendum importance. Howard Does not have EXECUTIVE veto powers, he has been mixing with company which is GOVERNMENT by secret-They will let the people know on a need to know basis. Hassa is not Happy Gubba's go home.

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Mel Davies
August 13th, 2007

I have been shocked and alarmed at the simplistic and racist approach to alleged problems among our indigenous communities. The indecent haste and rush to bring in legislation reeks of shoot-from-the-hip policy that is almost certain to bring more suffering and angst to those communities than satisfactory resolutions. Why has this 'concern' suddenly appeared when Aboriginal communities have been crying out for help for decades? To what degree have aboriginal communities been consulted? Why does the government listen to so-called indigenous leaders who are unelected, unrepresentative and probably self-opinionated - is it that they are mouthing what the government wishes to hear? After centuries of neglect and abuse, the unenlightened approach to bulldoze legislation, reflects that attitudes towards our indigenous peoples hasn't changed since the 19th century. Senator's - why the rush to bring in 'instant' legislation - why not have meaningful consultation with the people. Is this a land grab? I hope after the debate (so-called) that your concience allows you to sleep at night.

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Patricia Sullivan
August 13th, 2007

Please do not allow easy passage of this draconian legislation. The measures in it appear to have little connnection with the stated problem, ie abuse of children. In fact the word children appears nowhere in its 500 pages. The report which so shocked the PM, and which he said had to be acted on swiftly, has 97 recommendations, every one of which encourages the active particpation of the people in the communities for worhthwile implementation. Common sense would dictate this even if it had not been stated. What Noel Pearson has been able to negotiate with his own people does not give an automatic imprimatur to the government to force these measures in all the places where it holds control.(Read Robert Manne's article in the August edition of The Monthly to understand the differences between Noel Pearson and John Howard.) Many other aboriginal leaders are rightly outraged. And yet, there has been no consultation at all, and now these people are being denied their basic human rights and deprived of their land title. As a citizen and a voter, I am outraged that the Prime Minister is so desperate to be seen as a man of action in the run-up to an election, and I am distressed that the opposition is doing yet another "Tampa". It seems that the PM is becoming almost despotic in pursing his personal ideological goals like depriving aborigines of their land rights, and is using this report - remember only the latest one of many he might have acted on over the years - as an excuse to implement his ideology. Please do not allow an automatic passage of this Bill through the Senate, parts of it should be totally expunged, eg what has removing the permit system got to do with protecting children - on the contrary it is more likely to to make them more vulnerable. Principle is much more important than party loyalty at times like this.

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Claire Stanley
August 13th, 2007

"Hastily drafted, inadequate legislation" is a sticky-plaster solution to an issue requiring microsurgery.

Aiming to improve outcomes for Australians in rural and remote areas IN CONSULTATION with our country's First People should be a PRIORITY for our government.

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Gilbert Louttit
August 13th, 2007

Your comment To our senators:
Please vote with your heart on this one.
This issue is just too important,it's a real opportunity to do some good, to help the helpless and to give these kids the message that the white fellas did care. Its too unthinkable to proceed with this half baked bill - if you really want to help them its going to have the opposite affect. It will ultimately do them more harm adding insult to their injury and shame in your own life as you look back at what might have been achieved by this opportunity.
Also senators; dont think the Australian people are fooled by John Howards motives. By removing the permit system and repealing land-rights he hopes to neatly remove major obstacles to his plans for expanded uranium mining and nuclear waste dump facilities. We see that. And now that you see that we do, please dont follow him into this maddness.
Please keep it simple and make your vote for human wellbeing.

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Michelle Williams
August 13th, 2007

I fail to see how "suspending" racial discrimination laws will benefit any Australians (especially indiginous Australians). I am overwhelmed and shocked at the decisions that this government is making in the name of "helping" indiginous communities, if helping is what they wanted to do then why have they taken so long to act and what exactly will this "enlightened" action achieve?. Removing basic human rights is hardly helpful to anyone.

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August 13th, 2007

The Northern Territory National Emergency Response Bill is neither misconceived nor haphazard. Rather it is simply designed to achieve goals which are unrelated to the welfare of indigenous people. The bill clearly sets out to acheive, by doing away with communal title and the permit system, the mainstreaming of indigenous Australians and the smoothing of the way for 'development' on Aboriginal land. On that basis it should be rejected outright.

In terms of what to do about the ongoing problems in indigenous communities, the issue it seems to me, is not to come up with good solutions (there have been so many over the years), but rather to somehow prevent governments from white-anting the more sensitive proposals, such as Judy Atkinson’s, which are often associated with increased indigenous autonomy, a concept which is, naturally enough, anathema to those responsible for state control.

A first step for the government, having agreed to immediately halt the obscene intervention which is occurring even as we write, would be to apologize formally for the enormous damage already done through the stigmatization of indigenous citizens as alcoholic child abusers, and for their odious attempt to use this slur as a smokescreen to hide their true agenda.

It should then marshall the wealth of advice available to it in the form of older reports as well as more recent ones, and, in consultation with people in communities, deal with the problems faced by those communities on a case-by-case basis, offering support to, and helping to build on the positive local initiatives which are often already there if you look hard enough.

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Hanne Georgeson
August 13th, 2007

It is hard to criticise something that is finally happening to help indigenous children, but the methods do not add up, and the information and advice on this issue has been around for a long time. Where is the consultation with the relevant stakeholders? Whjose voices are listened to and what are the long term effects? Nobody wants the nightmare to coniue, but do not create more bnightmares and communities ath have not solved their own problems. Long term solutions involving and empowering the whole diversity of indigenous people in every area are needed. It seems no coincidence that suddnely this is happening in an election year, with the sitting government looking like it may be defeated.

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Celia Conolly
August 13th, 2007

Your commentSUFFER LITTLE CHILDREN…….

Have you read the report “Little Children are Sacred”? From all I’ve seen and heard in the media over the past couple of months, I get the impression most commentators on the subject haven’t. And that includes the Prime Minister, John Howard, and the Minister for Indigenous Affairs, Mal Brough.

The Prime Minister said the report upset him so much he decided to act quickly to do something about the problems it described. Yet what the Prime Minister is actually doing is exactly the opposite of what the report said should be done. The report’s recommendations don’t mention the army, or land permits, but they do stress that consultation with the communities themselves is essential to the success of any intervention. The Prime Minister says he hasn’t got time for consultation. How could it be that the actions he wants to put into place are so completely different to what the experts say is needed? Maybe the Prime Minister didn’t read the report. Or maybe he did and assumed he “knew better” than the authors who spent months researching the situation in detail. Either possibility is shameful. It is not possible that any politician really knows better than highly qualified teams of people who’ve been there on the ground, examining and researching for months.

But this is a very common approach to Indigenous Affairs. Throughout our history, governments and others in authority (of all political persuasions) have decided that they “KNOW BETTER”. Enormous mistakes have been made, some from ignorance, some from racism and some from misguided good intention. All suffered from the arrogance of thinking that they knew better. And the consequences of these big mistakes have rippled down through the generations.

The report clearly states the current problems in indigenous communities to be symptoms of a much broader, more complex problem. Psychologists understand these symptoms to be maladaptive coping mechanisms as a response to trauma. Due to these “mistakes”, people have been psychologically traumatised, and hence don’t have the capacity to cope very well with life, and so they muck up their attempts to look after themselves and their families. As a result their children are psychologically damaged and the cycle begins again. The results of the trauma are passed on throughout the generations

Those trained in understanding human behaviour and motivation are not surprised that years of trauma have led to the terrible situations described in the report. Psychologists have long demonstrated how the most important factors for the development of psychological resilience are the security of the relationships we have in our very early years. If you break up families, and remove children, you destroy the attachments and relationships which have given them security, and hence deny them the opportunity to develop psychological strength and the capacity to deal with stresses in their lives. Very recent research using modern technology now shows how poor attachment relationships and trauma in early life affects the development of pathways in the brain during the first years of life. Hence the kind of stresses you’d expect for a baby whose family were struggling with poverty, over-crowded housing and alcoholism (just to name a few), actually affect the developing brain, and thus the individual’s capacity to cope later in life, leaving them more vulnerable to maladaptive coping mechanisms, such as alcoholism.

Bad government policy resulted in children being taken from families. The children were traumatised; even those who may have received a ‘better education’ were denied the chance for secure attachments to their parents, and disconnected from their way of life, and hence denied the chance to build psychological resilience. This is not about blaming. It is just about facts – if these things happened to you or me, we would be traumatised. How well we could adapt or respond to the trauma would depend upon what we had been through when we were young while our brains were developing.

As family separation and cultural disconnection continued over generation to generation, then each successive generation would have had fewer and fewer psychological resources to cope. Little wonder these communities can’t cope today. And it was not only the kids who suffered trauma -you only have to imagine how it would destroy your life to have your own kids taken away from you to recognise how that could destroy your will to build a better life for yourself. Surely that’s a recipe for depression and hopelessness on a community –wide scale.

This is not to say that everybody will be affected the same way. Some will cope better than others. But it is clear that, on a wider scale, the long term consequences of families and homes being torn apart has resulted in long term, wide-spread reduced resilience and capacity for coping. All because somebody “knew better”. The problems identified in the report are today’s results of yesterday’s mistakes by previous generations of law-makers. Today we have the chance to respond with knowledge and wisdom and the benefit of hindsight, and hence to follow the recommendations of the report. Or we can “know better”, ignore those who really do know, and go ahead and make yet more mistakes based on (at best) misguided good intention, or (at worst) political expediency.

The report is there on the Internet for all to see. If you want to know how indigenous children could and should be helped, read it. Read it and learn. Read the specific recommendations. Experts have spent a lot of time and effort working out the best ways to address this extremely serious and complex problem. They say not to delay in implementing their recommendations. They say that action should begin now and they list exactly what should be happening. By doing the opposite, the government is not only delaying the potential solutions, they are creating yet more psychological problems.

Memo to the Prime Minister and the Minister for Indigenous Affairs: before you decide you “know better” than the experts, read the report. Then follow what they say. Then we’ll know you are serious about the children. “Knowing better” makes things worse. Or if you are choosing not to follow the recommendations for political reasons, then know that little children will suffer for generations due to your political expediencies.

Cecilia Conolly
B. Sc (Psychol) MAPS
Psychologist

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Judy Redman
August 13th, 2007

I am horrified by the accounts of child abuse in Aboriginal communities and I believe that something needs to be done. It needs, however, to be done *with* the leaders of the Aboriginal communities if it's to have any long-lasting effect. After all, the government of the day thought it was doing the right thing when the Stolen Generations members were taken away from their parents and look what a disaster *that* was! Please, don't just rubber stamp a policy that has so many critics. Take the time to develop something with the people it affects and make sure that it's going to work.

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Monica Long
August 13th, 2007

Regardless of the topic or how many people it affects, every piece of legislation that is passed in Parliament deserves to be thoroughly debated with issues identified, stakeholders consulted and facts presented for discussion. In the case of allegations of child abuse it is even more important for the safety of the children involved that any suggested solutions to the problem are carefully thought out and discussed with the people they will directly affect. What we don't want is a situation made worse by introducing half-thought-through changes just to be seen to be doing something about the problem.
The debate before the Senate is an extremely important one and it deserves much more time for consideration than one or two days. Please, I implore you, put the well being of those children first and spend the time necessary to make realistic and workable changes that will enhance the life of the children and the communities in which they live. It is a tragedy that while many of us bask in the glory of The Lucky Country and its economic high some of our indigenous communities endure conditions that are more commonly seen in the third world. You have the power to make a change but it will take considered action not just signing off on the first bill that passes through.

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Anne Horadam
August 13th, 2007

I cannot be with you physically in Canberra but I am now and will be with you in spirit. Don't give up!

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Robynne Burchell
August 13th, 2007

This situation will go down in history as one of the darkest days. Formed by a government in desparation, supported by a timid opposition and decried by the people it purports to help.

This is nothing more than a desparate govt opportunistically using a racist agenda.For no other reason than their political survival, and I find it deeply offensive. To all the folk in NT, please believe that we are on side with you and will do our best to support you in what may wll be your final struggle.




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ron coster
August 13th, 2007

Hold the ON... The issue of the Governments approach to Indigenous communities in the NT is unfair and colonel in its approach. Having lived on and visited several of these communities I know that a great fear is that their land will be taken away again. This matter of development in these communities should be worked out slowly community by community and the wider community should listen to and support what the locals want. The wider Aust. public needs to hear these stories in a way that we can all give encouragement to Indigenous people. The so call "crisis" seems to be of political making.

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Gerard Criss
August 13th, 2007

I am a doctor working in Aboringinal Health who sees that our goverments are not serious about providing medical services to the Aboriginal people in Australia. This racially discriminating and heavy-armed paternalistic approach of the Howard Goverment to solve a crisis of child welfare and somehow use it to justify it to steal land title, again, is insulting to our nation as a whole.
Its time to getup and protest.

To our indigenous brothers and sisters,
There are many people who can see the injustice in this legislation. Take heart that there are many who support you and hope that our system of democracy can protect all its people. 200 years is but a moment when compared to a culture of 40 000 years.

To our senators,
The truth is obvious and justice must remain in our government system especially in relation to legislation particularly pertaining to the Aboriginal people of Australia. This particular 500 page document must be all absolutely correct and fair in order to be passed as law.
At this point in the debate there are too many voices of protest at this particular solution to this health issue.
Remember that you represent Australia.

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Tony Evers
August 13th, 2007

This problem has required action for at least a decade. Now that there is a response, let's get it right - make it inclusive, make it collaborative, make it sustainable. Provide ongoing prevention alongside intervention, and make both long term, and intergenerational, in nature. Understand that this issue is part of a much larger crisis. Respond to the need in that context, not as an isolated horror.

AVOID CHEAP QUICK-FIX POLITICS.

AVOID CONSOLIDATING ENTRENCHED SYSTEMIC RACISM.

MAINTAIN DIGNITY AND RESPECT.

ACKNOWLEDGE THE EFFORTS ALREADY IN PLACE IN RESPONSE TO THIS ISSUE.

Do not pretend that this issue only involves Aboriginal people. Understand that all communities, black, white, blended, remote and urban, all require real infrastructure and services inside, and belonging to, them.

I am a white person who works in community health across indigenous and mainstream communities.

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John Cawley
August 13th, 2007

Can't think what has got into John Howard's government. They rushed to war. Surrendered Australia's sovereignty in a flawed free trade agreement. Are hell bent on taking over the management of the Murray Darling Basin, hospitals and anything else they can get their hands on. It wouldnt be so bad if they weren't such inept managers. Now big daddy is going to whip the aboriginies into shape. Another disaster in the making.

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John Koene
August 13th, 2007

This Goverment is rotten to the core.
This is the umpteen time it has us sheated.
They are not corcerned about Aboriginal children.
Just as they not concerned about the right of
the working mass.

JFK

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Jen Jewel Brown
August 14th, 2007

My letter:

Please debate this Northern Territory/indigenous community intervention properly. It's true we don't want years of talk and no action, but we do need CONSULTATION with indigenous communities, most of whom dearly love their children, and we don't want the land grab that's been proposed. Softly, softly, or we take a huge step backwards in disempowering the people who have lived on this land for over 40,000 years to our 200 or so. Don't create a hostile backlash by passing racist laws please.

As for quarantining all black benefits, what happens if your car breaks down or you have to pay for a funeral? You can't treat people like babies just because they're black. Many are successful and capable families.

Please debate these far-reaching changes which are proposed thoroughly in the Senate for at least two days and don't rubber stamp in a spineless manner.Show some backbone, and think before you act, please elected Senators of Australia.

All the best,

Jen Jewel Brown

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Stephanie Gesling
August 14th, 2007

I am writing firstly to express my appreciation for the Australian Government’s recent announcment of commitment to improving life for Aboriginal communities. I am encouraged to hear that the Government has discovered that there is widespread abuse of children in some of these communities. I believe that all people have the right to protection from abuse and that the interests and welfare of children are of utmost importance.

A few years ago I participated in a Uniting Church program called ‘About FACE’, a faith and culture exchange in which young people visit Aboriginal communities to learn about the culture of those communities, try to understand the issues they face from an Indigenous point of view, and to combat some of the stereotypes and myths that are commonly perpetuated about Aboriginal Australians. This was achieved by building relationships with the Aboriginal people we stayed with and by sharing our stories in our own communities on our return.

Through my experiences and studies I have gained a deeper understanding of Indigenous affairs. I have serious concerns that the measures that have been developed by the Australian Government, in response to the ‘Little Children are Sacred’ report, allow minimal opportunity for Aboriginal people to participate in decision-making processes in any meaningful way. It is for this reason that I request that any programs being implemented should be developed with Indigenous peoples. Problems of child abuse must be addressed, but this hastily drafted and inadequate legislation is not the answer. In solidarity with my Aboriginal brothers and sisters, I have been upset by the Government’s drastic response to this issue. I call on each of you to make sure that Aboriginal communities’ right to consultation, consent and participation are respected. This legislation must not be passed in its current form.

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sheila jessop b.wignall
August 14th, 2007

the Prime minister must think we are mainly a bunch of blockheads.As soon as this surprisingly sudden interest in the welfafe of the unfortunate Aboriginal children in remote communities was voiced;after years of blatant neglect;I smelled a big rat.!!!
Just how low can he and his cohorts sink.Wake up Mr Howard !Why do you need to access the land in such a binding and threatening way to the first owners of this land.?Is their present humiliation not enough to keep you awake at nights ?The lack of meaning and direction in their lives has sat on your shoulders for 10 years.

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Linda Anchell
August 14th, 2007

If we are protecting children should not the words "child" or "children" also appear in the legislation? Or is this legislation doing something else?

Why does it need Parliament to legislate to improve infrastructure like housing, schools and medical facilities? Shouldn't that simply happen? That is where our action should be.

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Dierk von Behrens
August 14th, 2007

"I am deeply troubled by the inordinate haste with which this massive set of 5 laws is proposing to be guillotined through the Australian parliament and, in particular, what I consider to be our house of review: the Senate!

Prime Minister John Howard, after his most recent electoral victory, promised that he would not abuse his majority. Non-consideration in detail of this wide-ranging set of legislative documents, ones which propose to deliberately set aside the Racial Discrimination Act, in my view is alarming.

In my chilhood I lived under Hitler until aged 7. I still have vivid memories of his scare campaigns: Every railway carriage bore signs:"PST! FEIND HOERT MIT" (SHUT UP! THE ENEMY IS LISTENING IN)

At this time, I am afraid, cold shivers of recollection run down my spine when I witness the raw exercise of legislative power by the Howard government. Why? "We have the numbers, so why not?"

Please consider two things, before you comply: 1 What will you tell your grandchildren when they ask how you acted? 2 How would you like history to remember you?

Thank you for your consideration of the views of this once proud Australian.

Dierk von Behrens
Returning Officer
NSW Humanist Society AGM on Sunday 12 August 2007
At this meeting the only item of general business discussed and unanimously passed was a motion condemning the undue haste with which this important legislation was being rammed through the legislature."

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Ian Law
August 14th, 2007

What a disgrace. The rule of law is something that John Howard regularly gives lip service to. But when it comes to putting this into practice, the principles fall to the wayside. The current farce makes a mockery of any concept of the rule of law, and undermines the principles of democracy in Australia.

This proposed legislation will further darken Australia's image with fair-minded people, both in Australia and overseas. The lack of scrutiny of this proposed legislation, and the failure to consult with the people that it will affect suggest ulterior motives. But the worst aspects of these proposed changes is that there is a good chance that they will further add to the problems that they are supposed to address.

I urge senators to reject calls to rush this legislation through. Subject it to proper scrutiny, consult with aboriginal people, and look to work co-operatively with the NT government to address the problems that are evident. Reject any measures that are discriminatory, and look to deal with the underlying issues on a proactive basis.

Finally reject any moves that seek to reverse the gains made in areas to recognise the rights of aboriginal people to their land.

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Bruce Stanger
August 14th, 2007

I am a psychologist and have spent the past 15 years working with the some of the most disadvantaged people in this country, including many indigenous Australians.

One thing I know for sure about almost all of the people living 'on the edge,' is that they are not there because they have made poor choices, but rather due to their backgrounds. Almost all have suffered physical, psychological and sexual abuse as children, or even worse, they were abandoned by those that were meant to care for them as infants and small children. Look into the background of any prisoner, and you will almost always find that they were without care and support from a very young age. As a result they are lost souls, and they have never had a sense of belonging, something that is essential to the creation of resiliant and resouceful adults. For many indigenous people the loss the suffered was sue to either being stolen, or having had their children stolen.

So what do these people do when they are adults faced with a government who penalizes them for not being like the mainly white middle class majority? They get angry amd they deal with their anger be becoming alcohol and drug dependant abusers themselves. They are not allowed 'in' to the mainstream system, so they hate themselves as well as they system that denies them access.

If you as Senators vote to support the proposed legislation in the Northern Territory, then you are siding with the abusers and continuing to perpetrate a great wrong. There is no healing possible if the Howard government (and perhaps Rudd as well) go ahead with their plans. This will only push them further away, reinforcing their belief that for them there is no fair go, no support for them, that they still do not belong.

By all means we should take nation-wide action to help children who are suffering abuse, but this must be done in a way that includes the affected people in the solution, a solution that enables them to feel empowered. Please, please do not push the most disadvataged and saddest people in our coutry further down into a sense of helplessness and wothlessness. If you have ever been bullied then maybe you can understand what I am trying to say. What the government proposes is morally and spiritually wrong. This is not simply a political issue - it is about our own moral future. Have we lost all sense of fellow human feeling?

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Suzanne Morony
August 14th, 2007

I agree with many of the other posters here. This is a disgrace. The first time I heard about it the first thing that came to mind was "election year political stunt"

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Tina Fiedler
August 14th, 2007

How dare the government shows its superiority complex! If another nation came here and imposed itself on us should we take it meekly and mildly? We robbed these people of their land and we're still treating them as ignorant children..They did quite well for thousands of years before we came over. How about a bit of respect and a vote for equality..they have every right to put their views forward.

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deb hartley
August 14th, 2007

Please pause,

Action is necessary but not this.

Engage and empower greater numbers of indigenous people to identify and take Ownership of a sustainable solution. Enable them to be responsible ... ! Show respect.

Examine the complex and multiple social and political determinants of this dreadful situation - This politically charged ... media focused Band Aid solution is not the answer and most of you know that.

This will be your shame if you give support to this inappropriate and anachronistic legislation.

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Stephanie Gleeson
August 14th, 2007

Everyone wants Aboriginal children protected from violence, but this legisalation is not the way to do it. Aboriginal people have not been duly consulted in this process and these laws will be applied to all Aboriginal people regardless of whether abuse occurs in their communities or not. This legislation is just an excuse to change the law regarding Aborignal peoples' fundamental human right to own and control their land. It is a shonky takeover of Aboriginal peoples' lives under the guise of protecting the vunerable.I expect that if the Labor Party wins office that this 'intervention' will be exposed for the rubbish that it is.

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Margaret Evans
August 14th, 2007

Your comment
Paternalism will never change anything. Consultation needs to happen. Resourses for health and education must be made available for all n matter how remote.
The land must remain with thir management.

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Mary Goslett
August 14th, 2007

I request that you stand true to the people who have placed their trust and hope in you, and stop the pretence that this bill is all about "the poor little kiddies" - taking land for hidden mining interests does nothing to address the deplorable health and welfare standards of Indigenous Australians, and the establishment of sorely needed drug and alcohol rehab services does not require the taking of land.our comment

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Naomi Howard
August 14th, 2007

Dear Senators,
I have lived and worked within Aboriginal communities in Central Australia for many years. I have seen how important the Permit system is in aiding communities to take control over their lives. Please do not agree to stop this hard won system.
I think you should all take a lot longer to debate the issues around children in Aboriginal communities and allow for much more listening to people whoes lives our Government is trying to control.

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josephine calman
August 14th, 2007

Seeing that the community of Mutijulu has been so much in the public eye, lets talk.

The community has successfully regained control over their administration after two court appeals against the government in which the court found no evidence of mismanagement. Evidence highlighted the neglect of the government in the serious cutting back of essential services such as health, education and a standard of living that would leave any community struggling with so little to work with.

It would seem that that John Howard and his government have taken every opportunity to bring Indigenous communities to their knees as an opening for a wholesale takeover.

Notice how information of this recent victory has been conveniently smothered by press and government buddies to deflect us from the truth regarding this small communities intelligent and courageous battle for ADMINISTRATION WITH MAXIMUM DEGREE OF INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM.

This government would have us believe in something sinister other than what is actually happening, and the governments policies should be seen for what they blatently are.......as having the intention of MAXIMUM FEDRALISATION OF ADMINISTRATION resulting in MIMIMUM DEGREE OF INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM.

Now this is what I call sinister.

AND NOT what I will have for my grandchildrens grandchildren.



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penny van toorn
August 14th, 2007

John Howard is always boasting that in Australia, people have a fair go. How is it fair to introduce legislation that will radically reduce Indigenous land rights and exclude genuine Indigenous consultation? The Howard government doesn't care about Aboriginal people. Time and time again, they have put big business before humanitarian issues. If John Howard is so concerned about the welfare of Aboriginal children, why has he ignored them for so long? His recent intervention is all about winding back Indigenous land rights, increasing uranium mining, and developing the nuclear industry.

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Hugh Norris
August 14th, 2007

Dear Senators,

Ever wondered how history will record your contributions to this society and your various achievements?
Well you are now sitting at a very important juncture in your lives and in history, and it is very likely that the decisions you make now, or don't make....you will be remembered for.
I work with Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory. I have been here only a short time. I am white. I had a middle class upbringing. I went to a private school. I travelled and received a degree from one of Sydney's top universities.
I am ashamed by the actions of the Howard government, an Australian government. I believe the legislation, if passed, will rewind the clock in terms of Aboriginal rights in this country approximately 40 years.
Last week I saw photos hanging in a community showing Gough Whitlam pouring dirt through the hands of Vincent Lingari in recognition of Aboriginal rights.
That occasion signified a great step forward and a proud period in Australian history.
To accede to the Howard legislation will signify a shameful period in Australian history. History will judge you by the decision you make at this time, please consider it carefully and bravely.

Yoours sincerely

Hugh Norris

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Colin Bishop
August 14th, 2007

There is plenty of talk going on about what Howard is not doing -- so what is this hiding -- could this be Howard's grab for the uranium? Is this a component of
"Federalisation", a grab for total control of Australia? We believe in a fair go for all Australians but particularly those who are the original custodians of this great country.

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Gumerungi Steve Hodder Watt
August 14th, 2007

Message for Indigenous Communities of the Northern Territory…

This federal government coming onto your lands and into your communities is an invasion.

They have now taken away your legal right to fight for what you know is yours; the land and power to declare who is allowed on it.
Them mob say it is to protect the children but they never talked to the people who wrote the very same child abuse report them government mob are using to take over the Northern Territory.
They are lying to us once again, walking over us, not with us, so please, if you can, don’t welcome these people from the Army or Howard Government (or at least let them know we not happy) because they want to control you, not give you control.
They want our land so Southerners can move up here, take over our beautiful lands and set up mines which will change your land forever and you won’t get paid for, as well as supermarket chains you won’t be allowed into.

This is the beginning of the whitening of the bush, the stripping of our cultures and a right hook back to the 1930’s.

A great peace-maker once said; “It is hardly a moral act to encourage others patiently to accept injustice that they themselves do not endure.”

The man who said that was Martin Luther King Jr.
He was pretty much saying that people shouldn’t tell others that it’ll be ok if them mob never been through that themselves.
They pickin’on us mob but they wouldn’t ever do that to themselves so don’t let them get away with it!

Steve Gumerungi Hodder,
Lardil Man on Arrente land.

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Banduk Marika
August 14th, 2007

In 1964 my family joined with others to make the Yirrkala bark petition, which is now displayed in Parliament House, Canberra. The main reason for that petition was to protect our land, law and culture from people who couldn't or wouldn't understand our way of life. At the time, the federal government didn't listen to us - it allowed a big bauxite mine and town to go ahead. It also ignored our elders who wanted to prevent bad influences such as alcohol coming into our country.

For more than 30 years we were told by each federal government how important self-determination is. But there was never any true self-determination. Money to support our community projects and initiatives such as land management, the homeland movement and indigenous enterprises was always very hard to come by. And there were never any real jobs made available in our communities, even though many people worked hard for years on training money. Education, too, was limited and poorly delivered. The same thing happened with housing and health. We became more and more overcrowded and sickness increased, along with drinking and fighting. Yet none of this ever prevented the most recently arrived non-indigenous workers from getting decent housing and wages ahead of our own people, including people such as qualified teachers and office staff who had been working steadily for many years.

And now it seems that our whole culture is being blamed by government and media for the problems associated with grog, poor education, a lack of jobs, houses and health care. The main problem our culture is being blamed for is child abuse. I want to say clearly that abuse of children is something we mothers and grandmothers are very worried about, because family is even more important to us than it is to most non-indigenous people. But such abuse is not limited to Aboriginal communities. And it occurs in Aboriginal communities because of the situation we are living in, not because of our culture. We live in circumstances that are not of our own making and without the kind of support that other people in Australia have had for many years. The small number of persons who go against their families and bring shame on us all must be held accountable - but it is not the fault of our society as a whole. Many of us do not drink or take drugs, and we protect, respect, love and care for our children, our families and our cultural traditions.

The Government is now trying to say that land, community councils and the permit system are also part of the reason for child abuse. But this is a lie. Has any non-Aboriginal council ever been taken over by the government because of child abuse occurring in its area? Has anybody in non-indigenous Australia had their land taken away because of child abuse in their community? I don't think so.

Our relationship to our land has nothing to do with child abuse. It is the foundation of our spirit and identity, it connects our families and without it our children will suffer even more. More damage will happen to them if anybody is allowed to walk into our land, and if we have to put up with more government people who will not listen to us because they think they know what is best. What gives this Government the right to say that we are not allowed to control our future, our lives, our families or who comes into our country? Or that our cultural way of life is no good? We are human beings with our own languages, kinship system, religious beliefs, and traditional ways of controlling access to country. And we are living in our own land, where our families have grown up for hundreds of generations. No other people in this country of Australia can say the same thing, or identify with our land in the way that we do.

So I want to say that we do honestly welcome any real help with the problems created by our contact with non-indigenous society, and by past failures to fund and deliver basic services, but we will not be treated as though we have no rights in our own land or lives. Like our elders before us, we will continue to stand up for what is right and fair. And for who we are. I am not just talking here for the sake of it: I am a senior traditional owner of the Yirrkala community land, which the Federal Government is trying to take from my family, without even having the guts or the courtesy to speak to us.

Don't use our children as an excuse for stealing this land away from us.

Banduk Marika is a community leader and artist in Yirrkala, Arnhem Land.

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Evelyn Sanders
August 14th, 2007

This hastily drafted and inadequate legislation is not the answer to solving child abuse.
tI am apalled that only two days of debate were undertaken for laws that dramatically affect land tenure, health, welfare and the rights of Aboriginal communities in the NT – and, above all, done with practically no consultation with the Indigenous people affected.
Stealing what little land that was left after the original english invasion. What are you people on about?
Why do white anglo-saxens think they have the answers to others peoples problems. What would you di if someone tried to take over your life??

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Ivan Matthews
August 14th, 2007

Hi Guys,

Could you let me know if we are still trying to get people to spend some time in the Senate Chamber. Was thinking of dropping in this afternoon 14/8.

Thanks

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Jennifer Stefanac
August 14th, 2007

I am forming a political party to address the lack of power that exists in the government arena concerning Indigenous Affairs. Howard's control in both houses of governance will mean a loss of individual freedom for our mob. I am an Aboriginal woman who believes if we as a people do not have representation, particularly in the Senate, then how can we expect non Indigenouse people to make the culturally appropriate decisions for us? If we were represented in government as an independant party, then of course the current legislation before the parliament to strip away our people's rights would be rejected until further consultation occurred. The ONLY power at the moment we have is our voices. We need representation to give us the vehicle to have the POWER to CHANGE things for the benefit of all. I invite you all to visit our website:www.reconcileaustraliaparty.org for further information.

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Cathryn Elder
August 14th, 2007

This isn't about saving little children from harm. This is about uranium mining and getting re-elected. Shame Howard, shame.

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Teana Amor
August 14th, 2007

I'm not so sure there aren't ulterior motives here when there has been little scrutiny of this proposed legislation. Where is the consultation with the Aboriginal people whose lives will be radically effected? Shouldn't that have been a priority?
You go in with your 'might is right' policy and it will only make things worse. We need to do the right thing and give back dignity to our indigenous brothers and sisters so that their children no longer suffer.
If this is a subterfuge to take back their land rights and permits then shame on you! Australians are becoming increasingly aware of our changed image overseas. We ain't so pretty any more thanks to the Howard Government's decisions.
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Evelyn Tadros
August 14th, 2007

I have spent five days at Garma Festival attending the Health Forum, listening to Indigenous leaders, health workers and professionals speak about the issues that affect their communities and effective solutions. What was clear was that no one cares more about Aboriginal children than Aboriginal people. They see the problems and they want to solve them with the Government's assistance. However, a quick fix solution imposed from above will NOT work. Each Aboriginal community in the NT is different and requires a different response following in-depth consultation with each community.

The fact that the Federal Government has ignored 94 of the 97 recommendations from the Little Children Are Sacred Report makes it blatantly clear that the Government is NOT interested in protecting indigenous children but are running their own agenda. To play politics with these people's lives is disgusting. This legislation, with its punitive consequences, has the potential to further ruin the lives of Aboriginal children by simply forcing them into prostitution, drugs and destitution.

Please do your job as a senator and debate this legislation. This is not a left, right, labour, liberal issue. This is your duty to the people who voted you in. Don't let us down.

Evelyn

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Amanda Tovell
August 14th, 2007

Dear Senators

I respectfully ask that you request further time to consider the proposed legislation regarding Aborignal communities in the Northern Territory and that the voiced concerns of the Aboriginal Elders and all concerned Australians are listened to.

I believe that as a nation we still carry the shame of 'best-intentioned' policies, and that one of the best ways of addressing this shame is to ensure that we as a nation do not 'rush' into further 'best-intentioned' policies which will create more inequity and harm to our First Nation Peoples.

Please let us learn from our past mistakes and act in ways which respect and value the strengths and diversity of Aboriginal communities and peoples.

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Kathleen James
August 14th, 2007

It is outrageous that Indigenous people were not consulted about these child abuse problems nor about the new unjust legislation. Aboriginal communities can address these problems themselves, with the help of their own elders, particularly women elders, women's health nurses and social workers, they don't need white police and the army interfering - there's no respect! Also John Howard should be ashamed of himself to propose taking away land rights because of social problems, a sneaky and underhand betrayal that sets back the cause of reconciliation for years. Aboriginal people have the right to inviolable land rights, education and training, self-development and work opportunities, and genuinely equal health care access, not more punishment from white Australia. If this patriarchal, disgraceful legislation is passed now it shames us all!

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August 14th, 2007

Dear Senators
The motivation to address child protection in Aboriginal communities is commendable and long over due. However, the Federal Government's proposed actions appear to extend far beyond this issue and do not seem to be based on the recommendations of the recent 'Children Are Sacred' report.
Social dysfunction in some of these communities has formed over many decades, and long-lasting and constructive solutions will not be achieved in a short time. Long term actions are needed to address child protection, domestic violence, poor living conditions, poverty, substance abuse and cultural disruption, and these should be couched in a comprehensive approach which incorporates understanding of the cultural context and physical circumstances of these communities as well as protection of innocent and vulnerable people. These are massive social problems. However, there is much strength and resilience in many Aboriginal communities and throughout the very diverse Aboriginal culture across Australia. This strength should be nurtured and developed to be part of the solution.
The recommendations of the ‘Children Are Sacred’ report should be reviewed thoroughly and thoughtfully to develop a long term strategy for effective implementation. This should be done with appropriate consultation with Aboriginal representatives and all States and Territories to ensure a cohesive and far-sighted process is achieved.
Immediate action is needed to prevent further harm to children, but it must not replace a cohesive, long term and implemented strategy.
Sincerely
Paul Lloyd

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kath fenby
August 14th, 2007

I am a white australian who has grown up in Mt Isa and seen close at hand the problems that still exist to this day. In all these years I have never seen a government party come in who will do anything other than attack the problem and look down on the indigenous. They all have their own agenda. I would like to think that ordinary people like myself can do something to change what is happening, but how? If you leave it up to government, they will look at it all as a problem that needs to be fixed, rather than people whose lives are damaged by abuse, grog, drugs and overcrowding etc.,They attack the problem and pay huge costly fees for all the bigwigs to go in and hum and ha then walk away yet again. No it's us people, whatever colour, to work out what the best ways are to be community and make the difference. I am in Toowoomba - are there others like me who look at things this way?

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Ken Dwyer
August 14th, 2007

Howard and his government are unspeakable. ALP no better.Recommendations of "The Little Children are Sacred" report need to be implemented rather than the government's crude land grab and trampling of indigenous rights.

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vesna
August 14th, 2007

Senate members, please consider what we are all saying. I have lived and worked on an Aboriginal Community, Utopia. Nearly all parents cared wonderfully for their children, the few that didn't, the Aunties and Grandparents took over. It goes without saying that John Howard is a desperate man with his morals living in the 50's for this past decade of tyrany. What was the point of the Reconciliation effort if as a nation we embrace this racist, discriminatory, return to the Blackfella/White Australian Policy. Why don't we bring back whipping as well and go the whole hog! Your conciences should all be whipped into mainstream global humanitarian ideals. Don't support a desperate man, living in the 50's. A time I might add that was full of peadofilia from church leaders and institutions.

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August 14th, 2007

As senators, it is your responsiblity to prevent ill-concevied and droconian laws such as this from being passed. The lack of Government interaction on a community level and John Howard's determination pass these laws before an election will only exacerbate the fear that many indigineous people have of the Government.
I understand that the Governmment is genuinely trying to fix the inherant problems faced by many indigenous communities but believe that these generalist laws will only serve to widen the rift between Indigenous Australians and the Government.

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Kathryn Devine
August 14th, 2007

The current legislation before the senate cannot be decided with a one day hearing and two days of debate around an issue so complex as the abuse of children. These are complex societal issues which require much closer scrutiny and much broader vigorous debate.

The welfare of 1000's of children and adults depend upon it and cannot be determined by ad hoc attempts to deal with these issues by sending in the military and the police in the first place or playing heavy handed with the lives of people who have already been deeply psychologically and spiritually traumatised.

Nor can any rushed legislation anywhere in the world deal effectively with such issues by not participating in a consultative process or fully funding or providing the back up support with primary education and health services which would go hand in hand with actually addressing indigenous injustice, dislocation and poverty.

I question the validity of the legislation before the Senate and the need for such legislation to be so hastily pushed through the senate in the first place, with little of the actual recommendations of 'The little children are Sacred Report', attached to it.

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Linda Pearson
August 14th, 2007

As a new Australian citizen, I am shocked and dismayed by the lack of respect for indigenous communities and the reckless disregard for civil liberties which this Bill represents. Please, for the sake of those it purports to benefit, do not allow it to pass without proper scrutiny and consultation. To do so would be an affront to the democratic principles which led me, and so many others, to chose to make this great country my home.

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T. Seignior
August 14th, 2007

Workable solutions with full consultation with aboriginal leaders and elders would seem to be a necessity. Proper open debate is required and very careful consideration of all the issues involved - not something that should be rushed through in a couple of days.
At first sight the Federal Government intervention to prevent child abuse and alchohol problems, (incidentally these problems are by no means confined to aboriginal communities), seemed like a good idea, but it would now seem to require very careful scrutiny of all the issues involved and especially to investigate if there is a hidden agenda. What appeared at first sight to be an excellent and much needed plan might actually turn out to be a retrograde step.

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Cameron
August 14th, 2007

This outrageous legislation must be blocked!!! This country needs to begin lifting itself out of the racist quagmire it has been in since European settlement. Allowing this legislation to pass will be an unacceptable step backwards. LISTEN to the strong voices of the Aboriginal leadership that decry this type of non-consultative action. The ALRA was introduced with bipartisan support back in the 70s. Don't make the mistake of repealing this progressive legislation and sending us back decades.

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Erst Carmichael
August 14th, 2007

Senators,
Please reconsider this legislation in terms of indigenous people's rights to their land. The abuse of children should be dealt with fairly in the context of the deplorable state they have found themselves in as a result of the first invasion of their land. A further invasion of their land will not solve the problems. This is no more than a political stunt with nothing but land grabbing for future nuclear/uranium/toxic waste use and once more indigenous people are going to suffer. How can any of you believe you are doing what is equitable? Stop. Think. And above all - Speak to the communities themselves. They need to be listened to and included in any decisions. In fact they should be fully supported in making their own decisions.

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Tyson C
August 14th, 2007

We're human beings... not animals... can we start being treated as such!?

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Shane Howard
August 14th, 2007

This legislation is a disgrace and an issue of international shame for Australians. Mal Brough is obviously complicit with Prime Minister John Howard and the intention is clear: To diminish culture, to destroy native title, to set in place precedents that enable the Federal Government to intervene on Aboriginal land for mining and nuclear waste dump expediency.

The other ploy, in an election year, is the obvious canvassing of the support of the 10% racist vote that Howard has appropriated from Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party. Anyone who remembers Tampa knows that he has done this before.

Aboriginal people have suffered enough in the past 200 years at the hands of whitefella intervention. If the Government is serious about child abuse why doesn't it empower an Aboriginal taskforce to deal with these issues instead of instituting a new paternalism. Aboriginal society was functional for 40,000 years before whitefellas arrived. The problem with Aboriginal Australia is not Aboriginal Australia, it is us whitefellas and we are, once more, guilty of failing to provide a proper duty of care to our indigenous brothers and sisters.

What is trully terrifying and disgusting about this legislation is that in a quiet room somewhere in Canberra, Mal Brough and John Howard and their cohorts came up with this plan and agreed to intervene in Aboriginal communities for their own political ends and to use Aboriginal children as the pawns in the game.

Why do we still have a whitefella minister for Aboriginal Affairs? Where is the consultative Aboriginal body that reports to the Prime Minister or the Parliament?

Stop using Aboriginal people in such a cynical way as a political football. They have suffered enough at the hands of the new 'barbarians' and deserve some decency, respect and proper funding to be able to deal with the complex issues in their many, diverse, communities.

Shane Howard

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Anton Pulvirenti
August 14th, 2007

It's unfortunate that a democracy allows peoples rights to be eroded. Is Australia (or it's economy) really so weak and fragile that the original custodians of the land cannot claim what's rightfully theirs? Why the secrecy? What is the government really afraid of?

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Lynne Young
August 14th, 2007

I am disgusted and appalled at the blatent grab for Aboriginal land that the Federal Government is making under the guise of fixing some so called emergency situation in some Central Australian Aboriginal Communities...an emergency that has been steadily getting worse since this government has ruthlessly stripped resouces and dignity from our Tradional people.
This latset invasion into Tradional Lands is a continuation of Howard's persistant attempt to anhilalate the ancient and precious Aboriginal Heritage and Culture in his shallow and unintelligent philosophy of "pragmatism".There is no shred of deeper consideration of this comlpex and delicate situation.
There are so many reasons to totally recry Howard's incredibly imbecilic actions. The worst one currently is the caving into America's bullying to take their nuclear waste and bury it in Central Autralia. The pressure must be intense...or maybe it isn't. Howard may have gladly offered to give America Central Australia to bury all America's waste that its not willing to put in its own ground. However, the disgraceful lack of consultation and cynical disregard of the ownership of the land by Tradtional people should be more widely known.
The taking of Permits to enter traditional lands is opening the doors to incredible abuse on all levels and has to be fought against.A great deal of the sexual abuse of the children and young women and men is carried out by white preditory men. This terrible abuse has a long history...since the beginning of White settlement and has not abated.
I feel great empathy for all the Communities involved and can understand their sense of betrayal and confusion. More than most of their problems are made all the more severe because of the shocking neglect especially over the last 12 years by this current government.
There are so many indiginous people who have worked long and hard over a long time and put forward excellent plans and solutions to their considerable challenges and they seem to have been swept aside with a flick of the Howard hand. The abuse of Human Rights is breathtaking.
Please don't allow this grab for land and power happen. It seems that the white middle aged men in power can't abide the fact they don't have control over this land for their own greedy purposes.

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Jeff Wild
August 14th, 2007

I respectfully suggest that even though this legislation has passed the lower House, it is deeply flawed and can be sent back for revision. Child abuse is wrong but this will perpetuate abuse of an entire culture. A social emergency is different from a natural disaster and must be handled differently. Indigenous peoples are subjects to be worked with, not objects to be pushed around.

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Mary Maher
August 14th, 2007

Any intervention has to occur with full debate in the Australian community and with full engagement of indigenous representatives. The intervention process must include an equal emphasis on the setting up of effective and respected governance structures for indigenous determination of their own futures.

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francis burton
August 14th, 2007

Stamping out child abuse and violence is great, but destined to fail as another paternal intervention that fails. Any intervention needs genuin consulatation and support of each community...specific to that particular communities needs and abilities (not all communities are the same).

My tip is get the elders and the community women involved and you have a greater chance of success ( I know from my own dealings with NT communities)

Dont use this opportunity as an election stunt, use it as part of a genuine attempt to reconcile and engage as well as protect !!!!

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Lorie Werner
August 14th, 2007

Gina Smith is absolutley correct, rules and regulations do not go one way only. The government is very big on mutual obligation but where is their obligation to treat all of its' citizens with decency and respect. No other group in our Australian community would be asked to cede so much ground gained, this legislation is discriminatory and must be amended. The permit system, as Gina says, is vital for the purposes of protecting sacred sites and for keeping undesirables out of the communities.

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Fiona Cameron
August 14th, 2007

After years of under funding for housing, sanitation, health and education in Aboriginal Communities by state and federal governments the current federal government has chosen to legislate to further marginalise Aboriginal people. The government is making Aboriginal people pay for their own neglect of Indigenous Australian's wellbeing. This attempt to pass legislation is not only a blatant pre election political maneouver it is about the most unimaginative and destructive way the government could have chosen to deal with indigenous child abuse. We have so many talented health and social policy makers in Australia, surely we could have come up with a kinder, gentler and more consultative method of dealing with the social and physical problems in Indigenous communities. The needs of Indigenous Australians are massive and a huge input of staff and funding are required long term to begin to deal with these issues. The government and previous governments just don't get it!! It is not rocket science. What are needed are caring, compassion, commitment and funding. How appalling for Australia to have such problems unaddressed when the Treasurer boasts about his budget surplus!! and booming economy. Finally we must remember child abuse and domestic violence are not only an Indigenous issue. There are many dysfunctional non-Indigenous families in Australia. Children have also been subjected to physical and sexual abuse in educational and religious institutions.
Let us get together and work through these issues humanely and justly and with full support from the Aboriginal people whose lives are affected by child sexual abuse and neglect.

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Fiona Cameron
August 14th, 2007

After years of under funding for housing, sanitation, health and education in Aboriginal Communities by state and federal governments the current federal government has chosen to legislate to further marginalise Aboriginal people. The government is making Aboriginal people pay for their own neglect of Indigenous Australian's wellbeing. This attempt to pass legislation is not only a blatant pre election political maneouver it is about the most unimaginative and destructive way the government could have chosen to deal with indigenous child abuse. We have so many talented health and social policy makers in Australia, surely we could have come up with a kinder, gentler and more consultative method of dealing with the social and physical problems in Indigenous communities. The needs of Indigenous Australians are massive and a huge input of staff and funding are required long term to begin to deal with these issues. The government and previous governments just don't get it!! It is not rocket science. What are needed are caring, compassion, commitment and funding. How appalling for Australia to have such problems unaddressed when the Treasurer boasts about his budget surplus!! and booming economy. Finally we must remember child abuse and domestic violence are not only an Indigenous issue. There are many dysfunctional non-Indigenous families in Australia. Children have also been subjected to physical and sexual abuse in educational and religious institutions.
Let us get together and work through these issues humanely and justly and with full support from the Aboriginal people whose lives are affected by child sexual abuse and neglect.
Fiona Cameron
Derby WA

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August 14th, 2007

Shame Senators, Shame! Have the courage to stand up for Indigenous people's rights as equal Australians. Do not pass this discrimatory Bill. Consult our people first. Your own conscience and inteligence must tell you this Bill is being unfairly rushed and to the detriment of Indigenous people!

Stop this Bill.

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August 14th, 2007

It seems little has really changed in the 200 years since whitefella INVADED our land. Then as now they will use any excuse they can to SHAME OUR PEOPLE and take OUR LAND - effectively severing our connections to our Culture, our Dreaming, the very essence of who and what we are and of course if we have no connection to Our Culture, Dreaming and land, then once again they have succeeded in their historical aim to gain our land And take away our arights as human beings.
I ask you what is next?
Remember we were here 40000 years before whitefella INVASION - we are a strong and proud people, there are many non Aboriginal Australians who feel the government are wrong in their treatment of Australia's first People, it is TIME FOR US ALL TO STAND TOGETHER and show the government WE WILL NOT BE IGNORED and shamed into submission.

I AM PROUD OF WHO I AM
WHAT I AM
WHO MY PEOPLE ARE
WHAT WE STAND FOR

THEY CAN TAKE AWAY
OUR DREAMING
OUR CULTURE
OUR LAND

THEY CAN SAY WE ARE
UNINTELLIGENT
UNTEACHABLE
AT THE BOTTOM OF EVOLUTION

THEY HAVE TRIED TO
ERADICATE
ASSIMILATE
INTEGRATE

WE ARE STILL HERE
WE ARE STILL PROUD
WE WILL NOT BE SILENT
WE WILL NOT GO AWAY

THEY CAN NOT TAKE AWAY
OUR HEART OR WHAT IS INSIDE
WE ARE WHO WE ARE
AND WE ARE PROUD
Alline Walkeloa Rumbel

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August 14th, 2007

This legislation cannot go through as it stands. Why are the Indigeneous people being singled out yet again for "special treatment" that is not put on the rest of our commmunity? There is child abuse occuring all around us all the time and there is very little being done in the greater community.

I have had three nephews and one neice subjected to sexual abuse by their father for years right under our noses and the rest of the family. The neice spoke up one day and the whole sordid disgusting saga was exposed. But the damage has been done. There is a crisis is the greater community around child sexual abuse and we collectively are doing very little about it so it goes on and on.

I feel that the current legistation is just a desparate Governmant trying to get a headline in a year that they are looking very tied and old. Why should the Indigeneous people suffer futher at our hands after already living with over 200 years of our abuse in all it's forms. Do not pass this bill.

Flavian

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DEllis
August 14th, 2007

As a very privileged white anglo male I am once again ashamed of and angry about the actions of our parliamentary representatives, particularly the government but also the opposition for not challenging this discriminatory and innapropriate attack on our indigenous people.
You do not represent me in this! You should feel ashamed!

Where are the polititians with conscience who could make this different! It is time to stand up and fight!

I would like to say sorry to all indigenous members of our Australian community as we have once again allowed polititians to abuse you, your rights and your trust.

Yes...We absolutely must help stop violence and abuse ....and that means in all of our communities.

In indigenous communities we must first provide the essentials to survive and live a normal life such as housing, health, education, employment and counselling services etc... that will enable indigenous people to meet their basic human support needs....the same as in every other community in Australia.

Only when these services are put in place and the basic discriminatory practices are removed, can we hope to start building healthy indigenous communities that are non violent and non abusive.

Over and above this we have a responsibilty to address the ADDITIONAL needs and rights of indigenous people, to reclaim the lands and resources we have taken, to restore their individual and collective rights to be valued as our first people and to be treated with dignity and respect.

We must fight to restore justice to our indigenous people (and to others in our community who are also unfairly disadvantaged). Individual senators and members of parliament must make a stand and fight these unjust laws, and work toward addressing the basic needs and rights of our indigenous people.

I want you to listen to the indigenous leaders in this campaign and learn from them how to speak from the heart, with great respect and dignity, and you will realise that we are the abusers, not the indigenous people of Australia.

To our polititians.......Get the police and army out! Get the essential services and supports in to every indigenous community at the same level that exists in every suburb of Melbourne and Sydney!

Fulfill the recommendations of the last report that sparked this recent publicity stunt and the Indigenous family violence task force report and every other report that has shown the way to change what is happening with violence and abuse.

Not one recommendation is addressed!.....every action shows this government further abusing and imposing power and removing more basic rights in a discriminatory and unjust way. If you really cared about the children you would not allow this further abuse to occur!

Don't keep blaming the victims. We need to take responsibility for the lack of essential services that are provided to the indigenous community in Australia.

To our indigenous people.....I am sorry for what we have done to you and for what we have not done. We will try to do better.

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Kate Holder
August 14th, 2007

Again, I implore all Senators of social conscience to show yourselves as aware, sensitive and educated individuals.Listen to the voices of the people this legislation affects so critically. Of course we all want the abuse of women and children to stop in the specific communities and obviously something has to be done. However, I would also like something to be done to stop the domestic violence and abuse and neglect of children in my own regional town - would the government legislate the same for us? I can tell you now as a community worker abuse is happening!
Moreover, why lift the Permit system? Why impose the army and police on a community already scarred by a history of massacres and theft and violence from Europeans? Do you realise the impact is has on my everyday relations with Aboriginal people I teach and live with? Do you realise how uncomfortable I feel? Why should they trust any whitefella now - we all must appear devious and heavy handed. Luckily I know that my friends are tolerant and sensitive and listen to me. BUT what do non-Indigenous people who do not know or work with any Aboriginal people now think? Well, with the media reports and government 'politspeak' many would assume most Aboriginal men are violent and abusers of children. How many cases of sexual abuse have been reported? What does 'several' mean - oh I feel it is all so 'grey' or is it really a 'black and white' issue! One law for the black man and one law for the white man?

If you will not listen to the Aboriginal people affected(and I cannot understand why!), then please listen to the wise comments of Australians such as Fred Chaney.Please allow for more consultation and discussion with people - PLEASE!

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Helen
August 14th, 2007

What has changed since the first white invasion of this country? Nothing when it comes the rights and civil liberties of Indigenous Australians. Here we are, still oppressing and judging a people who have been denied basic human dignity for over 200 years. As a white person I feel anger, outrage and frustration at the way in which our elected representatives take our votes as a tacit authority to further victimise Indigenous Australians.

I know so little of Indigenous culture but I DO know that had our forebears come to this country and asked the original inhabitants how to manage the land we'd have learned a lot and possibly had a deep and meaningful dialogue and repsect for these people.

We have done nothing but take from native Australians and now, with a government who seeks to further erode their rights, white Australians seem indifferent.

Please senators do NOT allow this legislation to be passed. The problems Indigenous Australians face won't be solved by this legislation. On the contrary they will be increased if anything.

White Australians would rise up in disgust and indignation if such legislation was directed at them. It wouldn't get a hearing. Why should it be any different for Indigenous Australians?

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Brenda Lines
August 14th, 2007

Abuse in ANY part of our community requires attention, indigenous, non-indigenous, wealthy, middle or poor. Consultation and REAL funding, to back genuine long term support and to create sustainable changes, are essential. The current policies targeting only indigenous communities are isolationist and promote difference rather than inclusivity. Equity and social justice for all Australians should be the basis of such political policies, not knee-jerk pre-election stunts. Long term and Big Picture NOT short term publicity!

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julie appo
August 14th, 2007

The new propaganda the government is spilling out to entertain the racist liberal mob that are now sending their grey nomads out to use aboriginal lands for their idle unintelligent pass times, this is Australia.
Julie Appo

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Joseph Natoli
August 14th, 2007

To all Australian Senators,

Exactly what is happening to laws of good governance in Australia. ? Even if one does not agree with a particular political party we should still expect any proposed laws to be well thought out, discussed with a view to avoiding unintentional consequences and open to fair minded debate. Somewhere along the line, my education taught me that this was what our democratic Parliamentary system actually stood for.

The Senate was supposed to be a House of Review. If legislation was not considered with due care by the Lower House then Senators had a responsibility to the electorate to undertake, essentially, due diligence on proposed laws.

And what do we have here? Five hundred pages of ground breaking legislation that reverses 30 years of policy and practice for indigenous people. Legislation that is supposed to represent “the saving of the little children” but can’t actually put the word child anywhere in it. Legislation that to all intents and purposes seems primarily designed to strip indigenous people of the few land rights they currently posses with a view to enabling mining companies a free rein.

This is a national disgrace. This is an act that would not be out of place in any totalitarian dictatorship if all you wanted to do was have some legal fiction to justify an appalling Act.

Wake up to yourselves. At one stage a number of people were prepared to give the Government some leeway to take decisive action that might make a big positive change in the future of indigenous people. This legislation just does not do this and in my eyes destroys whatever figleaf of democratic respectability the Howard government had left. It now remains to be seen whether the Senate has the individual and collective guts to stand up for the principles of Parliamentary democracy and not pass this legislation in its current form.

And this goes for everyone. Liberal, Labour, Australian Democrats , Greens the lot. I would really appreciate at least one of you reading my statement to the Senate as an expression of the public feeling on this issue. You will not be forgotten for this.

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Alycia Ferguson
August 14th, 2007

The country's leaders are responsible for showing all Australians respect and dignity. These new policies do not show Aboriginals either of those things. They only highlight the fragmentation between the government and Aboriginal communities. These new laws will only further disempower Aboriginal people, and transport Australia backwards in time, not unlike when the White Australia policy was in place. Do something positive and dismantle this legislation immediately, before it's too late.

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Gail
August 14th, 2007

Ensure your integrity as an Australian Political Representative by 'walking the talk', broad consultation with indigenous community members and representatives is required on this issue. If this does not take place we will be revisiting the sins of our fathers on current and future generations. How can you profess egalitarianism, if legislation is enacted on indigenous people alone for sins that have been committed throughout society, particularly within the Catholic institutions? This is a violation of rights, and self-determination. Stop the hypocrisy NOW.

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John Mathieson
August 14th, 2007

This legislation is just typical of this government. An election approaches - a quick and easy populist target is selected, ill conceived and poorly drafted but far reaching legislation is brought to parliament with no other aim but to wedge the ALP and appeal to voters who aren't going to take the time to go beneath the surface. It's cheap, cynical and we have seen it so many times. What is nearly as bad is that the ALP takes the soft option and falls in line time and time again, while a party like the Democrats with a 30 year history of supporting disadvantaged and vulnerable minorities languishes on 1%. Why the hell wouldn't Howard keep pulling these stunts when he consistently gets the reaction he does from the Opposition and voters alike. Electors get the governments they deserve I'm afraid - would be fantastic if it wasn't so but if anything it seems to be getting worse.

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Jared Dubberlin
August 15th, 2007

Dear Senators,
In regard to the very hasty legislation regarding so many issues that will affect indigenous communities I agree along with the many others who have voiced their opinion that I think there needs to be more debate along with more consultation with community groups and more passive intervention programs.

I completely disagree with any legislation that will affect land tenure and cause indigenous people to feel insecure about the future of their property. At a time when these communities are most likely feeling extremely vulnerable I think it a crime to make them feel even less secure by threatening them with the removal of rights and powers they fought hard to get in previous years.

It is really quite hard to make a comment on this extremely difficult situation and the complex strategy proposed especially since i myself do not fully understand the legislation, and also i do not know enough about indigenous people to make appropriate constructive comments . I think possibly it may be that a little too much is being proposed too quickly, and without the proper consideration that is needed for each step in modifying the modern social structure of aboriginal communities for positive outcomes.

I believe that the changes that need to take place will come from within the indigenous communities and really cannot be forced upon them as some members of parliament seem to believe. A healthy respect for an ancient culture and not just imposing our western urban culture on these people is what needs to be considered for these Australians in need.

I do agree with more police being available and that these police would best be trained local community members. There also needs to be proper "checks and balances" introduced into the community structure of elders , parents and teachers to ensure that predators are not allowed positions of respect and esteem. Any proposals need to be acceptable to the communities otherwise they are going to be met with mistrust and rejection.

Obviously indigenous people have their own cultural structures that date back many many thousands of years. Since European imperialism has so devastatingly modified indigenous society with the results that we can now see in this modern age, it is really important that the communities themselves are empowered to make the changes to their social structures that will see a halt to the human rights abuses that are occurring.

One of the most important resources for the combating of child abuse that I do not think has received enough attention is that of psychotherapy and counseling. As I understand it, sexual abuse is generally a culturally self sustaining behavior, (90% of perpetrators having being molested themselves), thus the only method in reducing the occurrence of victims becoming perpetrators is through counseling. This would be true of any society whether indigenous or not. Perpetrators need to be educated via trained counselors that the unacceptable behavior they had been subject to is also unacceptable for them to do to others. Most likely counselors are available for perpetrators in prison, but there needs to be more counselors available in the general community for victims to work out the problems associated with having been improperly treated.

It would be a fantastic world where everyone had a counselor to talk to about their problems rather than internalizing them and then taking them out on other people in their lives. There is also a huge problem with the attitude that talking to someone about your problems is not manly enough. Psycho therapists and counselors have a major role in instigating the changes needed to help people help themselves. But it does need to be a position of a properly educated and trained professional. And here too, I would hope that in the future local indigenous community members could fit this role in order to provide a stronger and more cohesive community structure.

In Melbourne there is counseling support for the Gay and Lesbian community though the Victorian Aids Council. I think many of the therapists there would often deal with victims of sexual abuse, it may be a good starting point for an organizational structure for indigenous community services.

I do hope that the right approach is taken in offering help to our indigenous communities. I hope that the actions taken are the correct actions and not just actions undertaken with good intentions.

Thank you and kind regards.

Jared

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Katie
August 15th, 2007

I am not shocked by out governments reactionary inadequate response to child protection issues within communities. This is not new in our history, it is in fact status quo. It is blatantly obvious what this legislation is about and it is NOT about Indigenous children, their families and communities.

I hear people talking about consultation. There has been some instances for Indigenous communities to give feedback and solutions to the issues they face over the years. The question remains - why are these never listened to by our government? Lets not have consultation with NO real participation by the people this affects.

For there to be a significant change in the incidence of child abuse there needs to be a holistic government led response to address the complexities of this issue. At the heart of this is addressing poverty. However, it does need to be said that to address the crime of child abuse there does need to be adequate police protection but this approach alone will never address the core issues surrounding child abuse.

Furthermore there needs to be a rights-based approach adopted immediately which ensures that communities have access to the services they need to ensure their basic human rights.

As an non - Indigenous Australian I stand firmly by Indigenous Australians and all other thinking Australians on this issue.

Can someone out there who is involved with the media, please cover some of the positive work that has and is being done to address these issues. Most importantly the success stories that local communities have had at addressing these issues.

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Maree Williams
August 15th, 2007

What has happen to our democratic country ... this is a dictatorship behaviour... by not giving all parties and the people(The Public) time to read and debate all parlimentary Bills, in a fair and reasonable time. What has happen to the right of the people to be able to consult on any purposed Bill of Parliment. To be able to read, discuss, debate and advise your member of parliment of your views. By rushing Acts thru you are taking away the rights of the People and the rest of parliment. Such behaviour is no better than the dictators of the middle east. In their methods they are at least up front, and dont hide behind the parliament doors. All People should be treated as equals and treated with respect and treated with dignity. I only hope that the Australian people remember your betrayal behaviour when they finally get to vote. I also hope the people realise that BOTH major parties are Rubber Stamping these Bills. The Bills are about the Government grabing power and control - Like oil in the Eest, this is about mining in the Centre. The Indigenous people of this country have already been treated shamefully in the pass. As a citizen of today, I do not want to be known as the generation that turned the clock back and treated our fellow citizen with such disbain. Consult with the leaders of these communities, otherwise you are just dictators. Consult with us, the Citizens that you are meant to be representing. If this is truely about Child Protection, then bring it in across the WHOLE Australia, so that ALL CHILDREN are helped. As a child of pass abuse, who is white and never lived in th NT I believe all communities need help in this matter. But of course you wont as, its not really about helping the people, its about Land, control and greed. And of course the more powerful States would oppose such a power grab, and the people would rise up against such discrimination, racise and dictatorship behaviour. You are ALL meant to be representing US the people. So please listen to US, do not turn back to the days of convicts in this country, where the ruling class (the government)punished and abused its fellow citizens. Because as sure as night follows day, the people of this country will rise up and have a 21st Centuary Eureka. We will not allow a dictatorship to rule our free and beautiful country!!

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Jacqueline Cresswell
August 15th, 2007

Your comment
I am so called white, middle-class, professional. My daughters were sexually abused by their father in our home.
Sexual abuse of children is rife in our society. We don't like to admit it is and has been a white multi generational disfunction and it is only in recent times that it has come out from under the clean well vacuumed carpet.
My heart goes out to the communities of NT, and their treatment by our government is frightening.
There is no quick solution and communities need support not a takeover.
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Michelle A Lewis
August 15th, 2007

Please do not consider passing this legislation until proper consulation has been had with indigenous communities and their representatives. John Howard once again is using matters concerning minority groups to divide the electorate. He needs a clear message from the senate that ALL Australians are equal and deserve the same rights. John Howards time as Prime Minister will be remembered as a time of great racial divide with his own political agendas having taken precedence over fairness and equity. We will forever look back at this time and shake our heads with disbelief.

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liz peard
August 15th, 2007

To the government - Consult with aboriginal people about this - it is them that these changes affect not you. Listen to them about what they think is the best approach - the approach you are taking will regress this nation back 50-100 years by once again taking away Aboriginal people's rights.

I work as a Team Leader on a mental health program in 4 remote communities in NT and everyday I see strong Aboriginal people who are on the ground and know the problems - they have the answers, not people like you who do not know the communities or the solutions!

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Dianne O'Brien
August 15th, 2007

How long does our people have to suffer and struggle and have their land taken. Children are still being taken away, I don't think much has change in all the years that have passed. There are ways to deal with things and this is not one of them. Our children are our future, the government has always got a hidden agenda where our land is involved. good luck to the hard working people who are trying to help the NT aboriginal.and ask yourself can you sleep at night. Is the referendum being true keep fighting for our future.

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Narelle Moulton
August 15th, 2007

I am a whitefells who has lived in Kempsey for the past 26 years. In that time I have become friends with a number of the members of the local Aboriginal community through my work and through my kids. Over this time I have witnessed incredible changes in the Aboriginal community in particular the development of a successful health service - Durri Aboriginal Health Service. While I acknowledge there remain major problems in remote Aboriginal communities it breaks my heart to see so many of the hard fought battles being swept away under the guise of yet another report which reiterates what has been said in every other report that has gone before. I can't help but be very cynical about the motivation between this need to 'urgently' address the issue of child abuse in the Aboriginal community. Could it be that there is and election? - no say the pollies. Why take away the permit system and the right of ownership over Aboriginal land. Could it e related to the mineral boom and the need to find a waste dump for depleted uranium? - no say the pollies! 'Trust me' say the pollies, we have the best interest of the Aboriginal community at heart - Why after 11 years in government the sudden epiphany??? And the Labor party doesn't get off easily either but I believe there is a better chance of things being done under Labor than the Coalition who don't have a good track record with the truth. I hope that some good will come of all this, that children will feel safer in their own community, that the Aboriginal community will again have the right of determination over their land. But I am not overly hopefull.

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nigel maclean
August 15th, 2007

The government must realise that imposing a white mans' policy on the Aboriginal people will never ever work. A real gesture of goodwill and respect toward our indigenous people must be forthcoming before any progress on reconciliation will be made. Respect is a huge issue and consultation with elders must be made. The Howard government in its arrogance believes it has the answers to Aboriginal problems. Understanding the massive cultural differences between white and black people here in Australia, educating the non indigenous population and allowing Aboriginal people to rebuild their nation would be a step in the right direction.
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Paul Mansfield
August 15th, 2007

It would be tremendous if child abuse in NT ended. Unfortunately the governments legislation has nothing to do with this.

There are 2 main thrusts behind this legislation:

1. it is being used as a desperate measure to win an election
2. it aims to further the long held objective of the government of controlling Aboriginal people, reducing their human rights and grabbing their land back.

So you are killing 2 birds with 1 stone and it is sickening.

The government is hoping racist beliefs among the electorate will turn a looming defeat into a last minute victory at the polls. Interesting isn't it that the hopes are being pinned on racism. Not on unity, or aspirations, or a vision for the future; just raw, unbridled racism.

Children will continue to be abused after your legislation. All this time and effort that could have been put into truly helping them, has instead been put to use making them pawns in your political manouvering.

Reconciliation seems to be a tiny town we passed hundreds of miles ago on the highway, long since past and forgotten. We are now hurtling down the road to 19th century style control, humiliation and paternalism.

Throw this 500 pages of legislation in the rubbish where it belongs.

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Robyn Lucienne
August 15th, 2007

Howard has broken significant legal precedent twice in his political career, both occasions were over Aboriginal Land Rights in the Northern Territory. Firstly when he added another 32 years onto to release date of the correspondence between the Queen and Sir John Kerr in 1975, under Imperial Law only a Prime Minister could advise the Queen directly. At that time the Gurindji land was handed back to Aboriginal people under the Land Rights Act. The Liberal's's wheeling and dealing over Aboriginal land sealed the deal of Prime Ministership for Fraser, whose right hand man Howard gained the most from havinng the drop on him.
Howard didn't hide the second unprecedented reversal of those very same laws, where else in the world is a government's fiduciary duty to protect it's newest recognised citizens dependent upon relinquishment of their land title?
More disturbing, Howard understands he is breaking a well founded spiritual belief of Aboriginal people's connection to the land. Worse still when Howard wants to rob our nation of commendable spiritual virtues he always relies on the line 'protect the children from the bad people'.

Every Australian knows that the nation as we now know it was built off the backs of people who survivied very harsh social conditions, hence national pride in our maternal and paternal psyche of moral fiber, compassion, and charity. In front of the whole world Howard has robbed all Australians of our human dignity, he has tricked a nation into giving up their spiritual virtues, that would otherwise cause his demise.

Australians willing to pay price for Howard are so easily impressed by wealth they allowed him to bulldoze through 20 legislative reforms that erode our civil liberties, proving Australia is governed by foreign corporations. Companies operate as dictatorships, and sadly Howard made Australians spineless, like himself, a democracy in name only, as is his leadership. Costello is acutely aware of the importance of a name with the backfire of television brainwashing - the US can't fight the war on 'terror' with Abbott and Costello? 'Turnbull' now there's a name with which Texan's can relate.

It's no consolation that Howard, Brough, and Abbott can never say they weren't told, pleaded with, and begged to do the right and honourable thing, they shame their status, families, and country.

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Robyn Lucienne
August 15th, 2007

Howard has broken significant legal precedent twice in his political career, both occasions were over Aboriginal Land Rights in the Northern Territory. Firstly when he added another 32 years onto to release date of the correspondence between the Queen and Sir John Kerr in 1975, under Imperial Law only a Prime Minister could advise the Queen directly. At that time the Gurindji land was handed back to Aboriginal people under the Land Rights Act. The Liberal's's wheeling and dealing over Aboriginal land sealed the deal of Prime Ministership for Fraser, whose right hand man Howard gained the most from havinng the drop on him.
Howard didn't hide the second unprecedented reversal of those very same laws, where else in the world is a government's fiduciary duty to protect it's newest recognised citizens dependent upon relinquishment of their land title?
More disturbing, Howard understands he is breaking a well founded spiritual belief of Aboriginal people's connection to the land. Worse still when Howard wants to rob our nation of commendable spiritual virtues he always relies on the line 'protect the children from the bad people'.

Every Australian knows that the nation as we now know it was built off the backs of people who survivied very harsh social conditions, hence national pride in our maternal and paternal psyche of moral fiber, compassion, and charity. In front of the whole world Howard has robbed all Australians of our human dignity, he has tricked a nation into giving up their spiritual virtues, that would otherwise cause his demise.

Australians willing to pay price for Howard are so easily impressed by wealth they allowed him to bulldoze through 20 legislative reforms that erode our civil liberties, proving Australia is governed by foreign corporations. Companies operate as dictatorships, and sadly Howard made Australians spineless, like himself, a democracy in name only, as is his leadership. Costello is acutely aware of the importance of a name with the backfire of television brainwashing - the US can't fight the war on 'terror' with Abbott and Costello? 'Turnbull' now there's a name with which Texan's can relate.

It's no consolation that Howard, Brough, and Abbott can never say they weren't told, pleaded with, and begged to do the right and honourable thing, they shame their status, families, and country.
Robyn

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Melissa Haswell
August 15th, 2007

This is a very sad time, most especially for Indigenous people whose lives will be directly affected, but in reality for all Australians who believe in a just society. Please don't allow the government to recreate another "stolen generation" - a generation from which the land is stolen. This is what those of us who are looking so plainly see - we aren't dumb and we aren't blind to the many political and selfish agendas it is serving.
We already know how Howard works, but please Kevin Rudd wake up and fight to protect an Australia which honours human rights and equal opportunity. Truly make a commitment to Indigenous families that will strengthen them for today and tomorrow. this legislation is the wrong way - there are hundreds of policy documents showing the right way.

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Hugh Norris
August 15th, 2007

Dear all

Just when we thought they couldn’t sink any lower** The piece below is from today’s Crikey.com:



5. Heffernan owes Mt Theo an apology
Bob Gosford writes from Yuendumu

With tears in his eyes Bill Heffernan rose to his feet in the Senate last night told his fellow Senators and the Australia public that:

I went to Yuendumu and discovered within 20 minutes of being there who was running the drugs at the school. I went to Mount Theo, which is the removal camp for the petrol sniffers and, within an hour, I discovered that one of the key managers there was having s-x with all the kids. When I came back to Canberra, I rang the policeman at Yuendumu and said that I had been there for a day, told him what was going on in the town, and described all of these dreadful bloody things that were going on there. I said, "What are you going to do about it?" He said, "I just want to get out of here, Senator." He was not interested.

Heffernan’s comments are a shocking account of a community whose youth have lost their way and a government-funded program that is fundamentally flawed and corrupted by s-xual predation. All Australians would be appalled.

But despite the implication in his speech to the Senate that he’d been in Yuendumu in September 2006, Heffernan was last here in 2001 -- six years ago. He flew into Yuendumu early in the morning with the then Indigenous Affairs Minister, Philip Ruddock and drove out to Mt Theo, a small outstation community 160 km to the north-west.

They spent the day there, talked to the people running the petrol-sniffing rehabilitation programs and returned to Yuendumu, where they had a barbecue with locals. They flew out early the next day.

Bill Heffernan knows a fair bit about the program at MT Theo. In June 2006, at the tabling of the Beyond Petrol Sniffing: Renewing Hope for Indigenous Communities report he publicly congratulated Mt Theo staff on their hard work and the success of the program. He repeated his praise in a private meeting later that day. At no time did he mention the serious allegations he raised last night in the Senate.

Otto Jungarrayi Sims is a long-standing committee member of the Mt Theo Program and travelled to Mt Theo with Heffernan and Ruddock in 2001. He remembers that day well.

Crikey spoke to Jungarrayi at the Mt Theo office in Yuendumu earlier today,
"Both Bill Heffernan and Philip Ruddock had nothing but good things to say the program at Mt Theo. After his visit Philip Ruddock gave us money so that we could replace the sheds at Mt Theo with proper facilities," he said.

"I can’t understand why Bill Heffernan would say these bad things about Mt Theo and Yuendumu when he knows they are not true. Bill has been very supportive of Mt Theo in the past," Jungarrayi told Crikey.

"If he knew of these things six years ago he should have spoken to me or the other people here and we would have investigated them and talked to the Police. But nothing. He didn’t say anything to me about these things when he was here."

"It is really hurtful to me and our community when people like Bill Heffernan tell lies about us like this. This is the wrong story and Bill Heffernan should tell the right story. He owes all the people at Mt Theo and here at Yuendumu an apology," says Jungarrayi.

Heffernan also owes an apology to the Senate.

Tomorrow is a big day in Yuendumu. The founders of the Mt Theo program, Peggy Nampijinpa Brown, Johnny Japangardi Miller and Andrew Stojanovski will be presented with the country’s highest honour in recognition of their years of hard work at Mt Theo. The Administrator of the Northern Territory will present each of them with an Order of Australia medal.

Send your tips to boss@crikey.com.au or submit them anonymously here.





Associate Professor Peter D'Abbs

School of Public Health, Tropical Medicine & Rehabilitation Science

James Cook University (Cairns Campus)

PO Box 6811

Cairns, Queensland 4870

Australia

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Trevor Harrison
August 15th, 2007

The comments of Aboriginal people say it all. If Australian people take the time to study what the Federal Government is trying to do they should feel disgusted at the grossly unfair treatment of aboriginal comunities.

The fact that the Howard Government is prepared to put these proposals to parliament shows that they will stop at nothing to manipulate people to suit their own ends. The current Industrial Relations laws leaves workers less power than they had prior to the Industrial Revolution. We are living in a market place not a society and the rules are heavily stacked in favour of employers. Lower taxes is being funded by a user pays society, only problem more and more pdeople cannot pay the the ever rising price.

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August 15th, 2007

This latest government plan to ride roughshod over the interests and rights of aboriginal Australians (in a manner that it would never dare to do to any other parts of the country) has again become a subject for international news and a shame for all of us. The Senate should do its job and not go along with this short-term, ill-conceived and politically-motivated agenda.

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Annabel Southcombe
August 15th, 2007

The Legislation in its current form seems more of a setback than a progressive step to cure the ailment of dysfunctional behaviour.
There are many Indigenous leaders who have thought these issues through. I believe it is their voice NOT the government's heavy handed solution which will bring the best results. Please give them time to be consulted.
Thankyou.

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Allie Dawe
August 16th, 2007

The issue of child abuse is being used as the Trojan Horse for the snatchback of the rights of Aboriginal people which has been campaigned for for over 40 years.
The right to land community and welfare support has been dismembered on the pretext of protecting childrern.
First govt. 'protected' their children by taking them away
Now they will 'protect' their children by dismembering communities
and making adults landless and jobless.

And the A.L.P. supports this outrage.

We have just had the celebration for the 1967 Referrendum and those old campaigners who neglected the personal lives and family because that campaign was crucial have been honoured. And thanked by the Prime Minister who knew at the Celebrations that his parliamentary draftsmen were working on the legislation to disempower their communities.

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Christel Broederlow
August 16th, 2007

It is a travesty what the Australian Government is doing to indigenous Aboriginal without making ALL of their intentions Public and clear as day. Hide behind morals of protecting children without FULL disclosure towards the hidden agenda of gaining access to Aboriginal lands. Another form of land grabbing? Perhaps the land in the NT etc sits on a gold mine? Be that valuable minerals, iron ore, gold!!? One need only look to certain regions let alone the news to see that the Mines in NT, WA and QLD are raking in mega-millions?

There is no denying children need better protection across ALL cultures, be they black or white, yellow or brown, but to move with force as they have in NT is gorilla-like tactics, imagine doing such in communities in our major cities? Imagine the outcry? Why treat the indigenous people of Australia in such a manner? Disgraceful, absolutely disgraceful? That IS colonisation at its best, dictating to the people of there country how they must live.

Try listening to the elders and the very people of the Aboriginal Communities to what needs to be done and acting under their guidance.

Tautoko Indigenous Aboriginal

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Fred Waine
August 16th, 2007

I strongly object to most of the ctions being taken in the name of protecting 'sacred children'- to name a few....
. no consultation with indigenous people- if you want people to act responsibly, treat them with respect, as resposible people;
. misuse of the excellent report by the N.T. investigation authors ....
. in order to grab land - there is absolutely no logical connection between protecting children, and erasing title
. removing the permit system - as one blogist writes- and as an author in today's Age writes; people who are not entitled to enter some areas are now able to do do; e.g. from Alice Springs
. invasion by Police and Army - a terrifying experience for anyone
. creation of barbed wire enclosures for the gubba 'experts'
. using this sledgehammer in order to (a) blame the people of the land for the situation (b) use the people of the land for political purposes in an election year (c) to further avoid doing what could have been done before - stop the gubba service station owners and oil companies from selling the 'preferred' sniffing petrol (d) provide the on- the- ground suppport systems and resources (negotiotation/ consultation, people, finance, enabling, supporting)
. it's an inhumane power job in the name of humanitarian concern - just about the worst, most cynical crime imaginable!

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olaf geerken
August 16th, 2007

Here's a bit from AAP today - is the full attack on Land Rights and Native Title just around the corner???

Brough questions worth of land rights

Historic land rights decisions like Mabo have impoverished Aborigines, not freed or empowered them, federal Indigenous Affairs Minister Mal Brough said today.

Mr Brough told the National Press Club in Canberra that he believed the High Court's Mabo and Wik decisions, which delivered land rights to indigenous people, were "very important".

"But what got lost in the debate was people thought it was the holy grail, that releasing land would free people and empower people," he said.

"It's done just the opposite.

"It's actually impoverished them."

Mr Brough said the land rights decisions have locked people into collective tenure.

"We need to actually recognise that communism didn't work, collectivism didn't work," he said.

"It doesn't work to say a collective owns it and you don't have anything."

Mr Brough said ownership of land needed to be properly mixed with economic opportunity.

"If we get that balance right, people will flourish."

Meanwhile, the government today refused to amend its NT intervention laws to ensure Aboriginal people are compensated for losing control of their land under the terms outlined by the constitution.

The laws say the government will offer "a reasonable amount" of compensation to indigenous communities whose land will be placed under commonwealth control on five year leases.

However, Australia's constitution requires compensation to be paid on "just terms".

Mr Brough said the commonwealth's drafters had told him that the legislation was drafted appropriately and it was in line with the constitution.

"If anyone gives me advice to the contrary which is sound, then we would adhere to it," he said.

"It is done in good faith. We've made it very clear, the prime minister and I, that this is about just terms and we will honour that.

"There is nothing to hide here."

The Senate today continued to debate the government's draft laws, which are now expected to pass tomorrow.

The government today also knocked back a proposal to hold a compulsory annual review of its NT intervention.

Democrats Senator Andrew Bartlett admonished the government for refusing to consider any changes put forward by non-coalition senators.

"It is a grave mistake for the government to be totally intransigent to amendments to this bill, to refuse to accept any ideas just because they can, just because they want to show they're running the show, they're in control, nobody else has any role to play and everyone else should just shut up and sit on the sidelines and get out of the way, including indigenous communities," Senator Bartlett said.

AAP

Ok, Brough, Aboriginal people apparently were quite rich and empowered before Land Rights, were they?? ( I was under the impression that they were under the total control of either the government, the missions or the pastoralists!)
And after 50 000 years of collectivism we now know for certain that it doesn't work!!!!
Thanks, Mal, for enlightening us all....

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P Ken
August 16th, 2007

I am encouraged by the comments posted in support of our indigenous communities and against the exploitation of them and their rights. I wish them well in their endeavours for their childrens future, my heart aches for the old and the young who have born so much. I join the chorus of voices against further injustice and feel it is important to belatedly add that I cannot trust a government that has blatently and willfully lied and euphemised on so many issues to the population. They have lost any hope of gaining our trust through their exploits from the GST we weren't going to have and culminating in this "assistance" to the indigenous population that they won't actually get! On this issue, inaction over 11 years speaks much louder than words.P

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L. Angela Moloney
August 16th, 2007

I agree with the Aboriginal Leaders. Paternalism does not work. We know this from bitter experience. The children must be protected. To do this it is not necessary to remove the permit system nor to remove land rights from our Indigenous Peoples

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Sharon Meagher
August 16th, 2007

What makes you think that my people deserve the treatment received in this day and age? You need to stand up for Aboriginal people is urgent. Your action in the NT amount to nothing more the grandstanding. The problems that you are trying to tackle have been one's highlighted for years and years and uears. We need a new senate and I hope my vote contributes to this. The shame you should feel in treating my people this way would be beyond my comprehension if it were real. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME You have given license to every racist in this country who see Aboriginal people as hopeless, dysfunction and requiring an intenvention that it not worth the paper that it is written on. This is a thinly disquised land grab - taking land away from people who have cared for it since time began is about 2 degrees of separation from the actions of the 1780's - at least then history seems to suggest there was some compassion. John Howard you have no credibility and I believe this country has suffered under your government - there is an increase in the state were I live in homelessness, poverty and the worst forms of disadvantage and this is amongst the white population - why no action PM? Senators, you are proof that colonialism never died.

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Marlene Hodder
August 16th, 2007

I left a comment several days ago. I cry as I read the recent messages and my heart is heavy all the time. Yesterday I attended a rally in Alice Springs and listened to speakers from organisations and communities voice their affront at what the government is doing. They all want the abuse to stop but have vowed to resist attempts to take over their land and destroy their culture. I have lobbied all senators several times and today sent them Bandjuk Marika's excellent piece "Lack of respect won't help indigenous children" and implored them to read it. I have written to as many high profile individuals as I can such as Ian Thorpe imploring them to ask the Senate to delay passing this outrageous legislation.
I don't know what I will do if this legislation goes through. I don't want to be Australian any more.

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Tania Syron
August 16th, 2007

Dear Senators,

Throughout Austrlain history, right from the very first encounters, the colonizers have rushed in without integrity, manners or any attempt to negotiate (talk) or even TRY to understand the Aboriginal perspective. Early settlers fed Aboriginal men alcohol inorder to steal their wives while innhebriated. When the men tried to get their wives back, the police were called in. This is one of the main underlying causes of so many massacres. Our this is the stain on our history.

It breaks my heart to see the Howard government repeat this same old mistake.

The Aboriginal people have been calling attention to this problem for too long. Why now does the Prime Minister decides that Aboriginal children need urgent attention, without implementing the necessary recomendations layed out in the Children Are Sacred report, along with hurried ammendments to the Native Title Act?

The Howard government must follow the recomendations detailed in the Children Are Sacred report and work vigorously to STOP AND LISTEN to what Aboriginal people have to say in order to implement an Aboriginal solution to an Aboriginal problem. This is what they are asking for.

Otherwise, he will get the same outcomes that our history is shamefully riddled with and Aboriginal people will stay stuck in the hole into which we have shoved them.

Best of luck,

Tania Syron (Searle)

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Tania Syron
August 16th, 2007

Dear Senators,

Throughout Austrlain history, right from the very first encounters, the colonizers have rushed in without integrity, manners or any attempt to negotiate (talk) or even TRY to understand the Aboriginal perspective. Early settlers fed Aboriginal men alcohol inorder to steal their wives while innhebriated. When the men tried to get their wives back, the police were called in. This is one of the main underlying causes of so many massacres. Our this is the stain on our history.

It breaks my heart to see the Howard government repeat this same old mistake.

The Aboriginal people have been calling attention to this problem for too long. Why now does the Prime Minister decides that Aboriginal children need urgent attention, without implementing the necessary recomendations layed out in the Children Are Sacred report, along with hurried ammendments to the Native Title Act?

The Howard government must follow the recomendations detailed in the Children Are Sacred report and work vigorously to STOP AND LISTEN to what Aboriginal people have to say in order to implement an Aboriginal solution to an Aboriginal problem. This is what they are asking for.

Otherwise, he will get the same outcomes that our history is shamefully riddled with and Aboriginal people will stay stuck in the hole into which we have shoved them.

Best of luck,

Tania Syron (Searle)

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Penelope Cameron
August 16th, 2007

I hope I haven't left this too late. I sympathise with Mal Brough and the terror that some children in aboriginal socities have to endure but this action, that he is trying to deliver will not help, it will have catastrophic results! We need to support the families and communities, if we go and separate these families and come in heavy handed and spread fear and indignation, we're going backwards. Don't do this! We can't blame this on Claire, this has been going on for a long time...Yes we have to act but not like gutless bullies. We have to act in a positive way. Things have taken a long time. We don't know what will work. I know these measures won't. You're not protecting children, You are making everyone more vulnerable. You will have to answer for this, don't do it!

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Allana
August 17th, 2007

Dear Senators
Please work properly with the indigenous leaders and elders of Australia to create ways to deal with the child abuse in communities around Australia.
I lived in the Docker River community in the NT for some time - and while there is abuse there - there are also many strong incredible elders and leaders who are creating a better way for their communities, give them the power to change their communities by helping them in what they choose,thus with proper consultation, not by repeating history and taking away their cultural integrity. It's time, lets work together, create understanding, lets create a common law!

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Brett Edgington
August 17th, 2007

Today will be recorded in history as another "SORRY" day. The important goal of saving our children from harm has been swept aside in an incideous and vile grab for land and power. To further disenfranchise our indiginous brothers and sisters and to push the glimour of hope further along the dark tunnel of tory persecution. When will we learn that the only way forward is to empower individuals to fight dilegently for their freedoms and their voices to be heard is the only way to secure a future. This Federal Governments vile act reaks to high heaven and will impound our indiginous brothers and sisters to further degredation, racism and hopelesness. Not only the indiginous but all Australians should take heed from this - its their way or the highway. We should all stand hand in hand to condemn in the highest terms this vile act and see that it is overturned. Wasn't this all about protecting the children - where are they now in this - where is there future. This is an outrage. Lets save all Australian children from violence, abuse and from this bloody minded Government who is also a threat to their future.

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olaf geerken
August 17th, 2007

Not sure where this might be published, it came through my mail. Thought it would be of interest:

Mick Dodson: abuse is no solution to abuse

Professor Mick Dodson writes:


None of us is in any doubt that we have to intervene to make children
safe. We have a responsibility to do this, so does government. But we must draw the
line on responses that involve racial discrimination.

My life is littered with abuse. When I was growing up I got abused because
of who I was. I got called names for being black, I got excluded for being
black. I was treated as inferior for being black. I got told I would not amount to
much for being black. I was told I was unworthy for being black. I was told my
culture was primitive because it was black. I was told my mother's
language was unintelligible gibberish because it was black. I was told I was
uncivilised because I was black. I was told I had to be white. This was all abuse.

And how did I react to all this abuse? I got abusive. I punched the kids
in the playground and on the sports fields. I screamed at the teachers and
headmaster. I threw tantrums and sulked. I wagged school to get away. What did this
achieve? Bugger all! My abusive behaviour reinforced the views of me and mine in
the eyes of my abusers. Just another useless black fella ("the whole lot of em").

By the time I got to about 14 or 15 I realised this. I realised that being
abusive back didn't get me far. What was the problem? Well I now knew it
wasn't me that was the problem in spite of all the conditioning. I realised I
shouldn't be blamed for being black. Being black is not a blameworthy thing. In fact
blame as a reaction is not particularly useful at all to any perceived problem.
So being sick of being blamed for being black is not a way out of the problem
until you realise, like I did, that it was not my problem. It's not me who is
uncomfortable with being black, it's some other people. So it must be
their problem. Bingo! All solved, I thought, but it's not so.

Being able to identify the problem and who has it does not always make it
go away. You see, most people who want to abuse you in this way do not accept
they have a problem. Most of them deny it or make excuses. But the decent ones
do not and you cling to them.

When I got older and went to university and got an 'education' I found a
name for this problem. It's called racial discrimination. It's another form
of abuse. By then, like nearly all kids who are different growing up in this country
this form of abuse is part of everyday life for you and you build up defence
mechanisms including identifying the problem as not yours. When you grow
up you teach your kids the same defensive responses and you hope they will teach
your grandchildren because you know the problem is going to be around for at
least that long. This does not mean you walk away from the problem -- you try to
fight it in different ways through education, awareness raising, information
sharing and through other processes such as reconciliation. You endeavour to
assist people to deal with their problem. You do not accept silence as an option.
You certainly don't make excuses or seek to excuse.

I know today our kids get abused, our women get abused, even we get abused
from time to time. Indeed we are sometimes abusers -- I know I have done so. I
have not been immune from giving someone an abusive verbal spray, I have not
been free from pouring scorn and ridicule on others. Abuse is all around us. We
need to desperately do something about it when it's our kids who are being
abused. We all know that. It's a given.

But, we now have draft legislation which uses a form of abuse in the name
of stopping abuse. What an abuse of process this is. It is an assault on
democracy and an abuse of decency. We are asked to accept abusive government
behaviour in our name to stop abuse. We are asked to believe these are 'special
measures' so we can be comforted that they comply with the Racial Discrimination Act.
We are told we need to accept this so that country can meet its international
obligations. We are asked to accept that just to be absolutely sure our
government needs to 'dis-apply' the RDA.

Just in case -- just in case we are asked to name our problem. Just in
case the 'special measures' turn out to be a big fat political lie. We are told we
need to take people's land from them and remove their right to control access
to that land in the name of stopping abuse -- yet we know in our heart of hearts
that this has nothing to do with the issue of child abuse. Deep down we know it
is something else.

I'm at a loss as to what to do. I've been fighting racial discrimination
all my life I've run out of ideas.

But I know that no Australian should accept that racial discrimination is
necessary in any context. It is too high a principle to set aside -- as
sacred as the rule of law itself. It is not excusable in any situation and is
even more troubling when we know what needs to be done to make children safe and it
doesn't involve racial discrimination.


Professor Dodson is Director of the ANU's National Centre for Indigenous
Studies .

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Barbary Clarke
August 17th, 2007

Stand strong, people of The Centre - we're with you!

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Jane Dale
August 17th, 2007

As with previous forays by the Howard government into human rights issues (e.g. asylum seekers, David Hicks), this seems to be a case of taking a hardline approach for maximum political gain. The inevitable result will be more human rights abuses, and in a few years when the stories start coming out and public opinion changes, tremendous back-peddling to try and fix the mess.

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Jane Gilchrist
August 18th, 2007

To Mr Brough and Mr Howard:
act in haste , repent in leisure............is that all your political careers will amount to?
I thnk you have heralded in another era of genocide, ignorance and abandonment of some our society's most vulnerable.
As I have said before Mr Brough - you are Mr Howard's puppet and, when things go wrong, the fall-guy.
However you look at your careers, you have acted with expediency rather than principle, and in ignorance rather than with compassion.
You will not leave a proud legacy for your children.
Hoping the Libs lose their majority in the Senate

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Dale Jones
August 18th, 2007

It is unbelievable how narrow minded people can be when it comes to issues dealing with Aboriginal communities in the NT and indeed throughout Australia.

Instead of rushing in and resorting to all sorts of extreme action in order to deal with problems with health problems, child abuse, alcohol and substance abuse and other issues Indigenous people find themselves having to confront on a daily basis, why not involve those people most affected in any action planning?

Turning what seems to be concern about Indigenous children into an opportunity to reduce the rights of more Indigenous people and their lands is a disgusting and transparent attempt by the government to

Given that there is 500 pages of controversial legislation, a paltry one-day Senate hearing, and merely two days of debate for laws that dramatically affects land
tenure, community security and the rights of Aboriginal communities in the NT is appalling. The manner it is being done with practically no consultation with the Indigenous people affected is insulting. Everybody wants to stop abuse, but not with flawed laws which may actually risk making children less safe.

It is outrageous that a topic which will have such a huge impact on Indigenous communities is being pushed through government so quickly. Rubber stamp indeed!!! I have personally witnessed Question Time in our Nation's capital and was astounded that the people who run our country looked to be no better than a bunch of high school children in their behaviour. Do they not realise the possible consequences of their rubber stamping this legislation?

I'd like to know how many of the people making the decision on this issue have actually spent any reasonable amount of time in an Indigenous community (and not just as a press oppportunity)? If any of them took the time to really begin to know the people and their lifestyle and what challenges they have in their day to day lives, I don't believe anyone would be so quick to push this legislation through.

As someone who has spent a lot of time working for and with Indigenous people, I am ashamed of the way all are being made to suffer for the actions of a minority. In the way this is being addressed, anyone would believe that mainstream society does not have the same issues to deal with. Are any of the actions being recommended for the Indigenous communities going to be carried out to deal with these same problems in mainstream society? The answer to that of course is "NO".

I believe you should all take the time to actually read the document. If you don't have the time - MAKE IT - this is too important an issue for Indigenous people for it to be merely rubber stamped on it's way through our ridiculous form of government. Think about how you would feel if you were a part of one of these communities and then decide if you can still in good conscience allow this legislation to be passed.

It is a shame that so much focus is paid to a minority of people that do things to shame and hurt their people, when their are so many more of us striving to improve our own lives and the lives of those less fortunate. There are not enough positive role models for our kids and the ones that achieve mainstream attention are usually only sports people. We need to show our kids that they can achieve anything!

Why try and resolve things in a negative manner? Protecting the children of these communities has little if anything to do with the decision to remove land rights and permit systems. I can not see how doing these things could possibly have any impact on improving anything for any community let alone preventing child / alcohol / substance abuse - I just can not understand how these issues are supposedly linked???

Some proposed changes to welfare like linking payments to school attendance and child neglect is an attempt to dictate behaviours, but the proposal to hold back 50% from everyone in Indigenous communities is discriminatory and doesn’t encourage positive behavior. I know of a number of "white" families who abuse the system, use welfare payments for purposes other than supporting their families, obtaining payments under false pretenses etc. Are these people to be included in the system of linking welfare to school attendance and withholding payments for specific critical items? I don't believe this will occur.

A lot of decisions on the past have been made based on what others believe to be the best or only course of action - well the negative affects of those decisions are still being felt today. I say this as an Indigenous woman whose father was removed from his family when he was only four years of age. I wish to request that all Senators please think very carefully about what decision you are going to make regarding this bill and what the possible long term negative affects could be...

DJ - Kununurra

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lisa barry
August 18th, 2007

Finally here is a group who is prepared to listen! I say no to racial discrimination, and yes to Land Rights for Aboriginal people. Anything else is a kick to the teeth and a complete mockery to being an Ausralian citizen.

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ilaria logi
August 19th, 2007

The laws concerning aboriginal welfare are bad and this new law makes them even worse. We must stop patronizing and start to engage with aboriginal people to find a solution. I am ashamed of how we, as a nation, allow the traditional owners of our country to be treated.
Ilaria logi, Sydney

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Sean Maher
August 20th, 2007

So far, no one has governed FOR aborigines. Decades of neglect interspersed with sudden authoritarian intervention; this is their experience of Canberra's rule. When the shadow attorney general, Roxon, said "this bill is a once in a lifetime opportunity" to help the indigenous, she uinadvertently begged the question, why do aborigines only get one chance in a lifetime to experience responsible government? As it is, the bill does not even provide that, because NO ONE READ THE DAMN THING BEFORE VOTING FOR IT.

I propose: using those communities which have got the grog, abuse and violence under control as models to guide the intervention. The entire federal cabinet and shadow cabinet can visit these places, and simply LISTEN to the locals for a few hours, then attempt to replicate the success elsewhere.

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joan jensen
August 21st, 2007

The democracy that was Australia is no longer.
How can the Federal Government enact such laws that are as paternalistic as those that existed before Indigeneous Australians were considered as part of our Australian citizenry?! Without collaboration and advice from the communities at risk, how can such laws succeed?
I am shocked at the manner of the Government's attempts to redress the major problems that exist.
Why should the communities be flooded with doctors, police, community counsellors, and so on NOW when previously they could not attract any of the needed personnel? If these people have volunteered, then why did they not do the same previously when the need for them was just as great? If they have been conscripted, then why were they not conscripted previously so as to prevent the major problems that have arisen?
Such action on the part of government smells of ulterior motives - what are they? To take control of land that they want to use for other purposes? Or to divert electors' attention from their own shortcomings that have resulted in poor showing against the opposition in the polls?

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Jarra Hicks
August 22nd, 2007

I had hoped that this country could learn from its mistakes, not repeat them. This act is dispossession and genocide again. It is disempowering. I can't believe that a 'democracy' can deliver such dictatorial legislation. The government's decisions mean that Aboriginal people are loosing their rights to land, to resources (including welfare) and to their children.

Why again? haven't you learnt anything?

And what does taking the permit system away and abolishing the Community Development Employment Program (CDEP)have to do with increasing child safety?

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paul davis
August 24th, 2007

The removal of Federal funding of a safe house for battered women at Yuendumu, near Alice Springs tells us all we need to know about Howard's intentions. See ABC 7:30 report for details or search for Yuendumu in the news.

If Howard is trying to protect kids why is he removing funding for a safe house? Anser given, because it's not used often.

Ridiculous as having a safe house in the community is in itself a deterrent. You can't create one each night when needed.

I am disgusted and will never vote Loiberal even if they are the only corrupt Party left. Which is Howard's aim of course.

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josephine calman
August 25th, 2007

I am sickened, heartbroken and furiously determined that this legislation, as long as I have breath, will NOT take a hold on my beliefs and actions towards the rights freedoms and respect that the original australians deserve. The rightful and unacknowledged custodians of this land.

You are old Howard and my children and their children are young, their lives, memories and self determination will long outlive your small, short term fearful visions for this country. Your reign is but a speck in a vast ocean of change, and it will happen. Dont get comfortable.

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mary jane smith
August 25th, 2007

I look to this as a cynical act to gain votes. I wonder if it is a land grab. This government has never cared about our Aboriginal people before.

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ANNETTE BROWNLIE
August 27th, 2007

Dear Senators of Australia
you are my representatives! Please hear my deep disgust at the passing of legisation which effectively removes indigenous peoples of the NT of legal cultural and personal rights to land...land that has been cared for for over 50000 years by them! and to ignore the knowledge of these prior caretakers is to possibly throw away the lifeline to our secure future.
I am aware of the complex social and interpersonal problems being experienced by people in all socioeconomic groups who are experiencing stress. The problems of drug and alcohol abuse and how this impacts on families.....white black and other skin colour! We are not to my knowledge planning on sending troops into disadvantaged communities suffering these same problems in Brisbane where I come from. The solutions are complex and urgent! but they have nothing to do with taking away rights to land and to self determination. The solutions have everything to do with listening to Aboriginal community members particularly the elders and women, and a willingness to act and provide resources to address overcrowding in housing, lack of experienced and highly motivated teachers, top class and again culturally appropriate health provision and every effort to provide support to aboriginal people motivated to obtain the education and skills to lead their people.
I call on you to repeal the laws which have just been passed and to initiate a process of action determined as a result of true collaboration with Aboriginal people from all over Australia.

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Elisabet Stephens
August 28th, 2007

All of us need to listen to our AbOriginAls. Especially if were being paid to do so. Sincerely getingup

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Susan Langridge
August 30th, 2007

I may be too late to make a difference to this debate, but I wanted it known how deeply disgusted I am with the way the Howard government has handled this issue. Like so many others, I am alarmed at the proposal to stop the permit system. And cancelling the CEP scheme seems ludicrous, an act of a government in wrecking mode. Do they want to force Aboriginal people off their land, by making life so undesirable, that they have no choice? We don't poison water holes anymore, we just cut the funding. And how will this stop children being abused.By all means protect the children, but don't punnish the communities that are working.

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Dan Kelly
August 30th, 2007

The Sunday program on Sunday 26th had a report on these communities. It really opened up my eyes to what was going on. I had of course read about it in the newspapers, but nothing could prepare me for what I saw on the 26th. I was stunned and I really feel for the children who are involved here. No one should have to put up with hundreds of cases of sexual abuse and incest. My heart just went out to them. Something certainly has to be done, otherwise we just are not the lucky country now are we?

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Joanna Crea
September 2nd, 2007

Incentives like CDEP help people in remote areas, it gives ones chances to work in interested fields and keeps communities functioning.
Honestly Mr Howard you and your government are an absoulte disgrace ...
Drop in centres and shelters help protect children who are the seeds of the next generation with safe places to stay in... but alas cutting funds destroys them... as most of the ones I have worked within are all funded by CDEP.
Did i hear you say that it´s for the protection of the children?
Then taking indigenous land away.. and what is it you want to do with this land... more mining or dumping uranium,is the ECONOMY all you care about?
Im ashamed to be an Australian and repulsed that this pathetic government passes legislation,without any respect to whos land it rightfully is.




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noel saunders
September 6th, 2007

All I can say is that I am disgusted with all the Howard government has done, we allowed it by giving them the majority of seats in the senate. A lot of people do not know how to vote properly, they need to be shown, I have heard a lot say,"I just put any numbers any where" or I get my name ticked and write some comment on the paper and put it in the box.

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Mary Anderson
September 12th, 2007

I currently live on the APY Lands, but come from a community in the NT.
I was upset about the way they made the decion to go into the communities, 1 without proper consultation
2 treating aboriginal people as if they could be used for the governments, trials and small changes whenever they want, why can't they look at the Local Government system in the Territory, if they look closely, they'll soon find that, that's where the problems lie, that's where the funding has been misspent, no but they think they know where their answers are.
I welcome what's happening in the communities (at long last, it was being wasted on all the Town Clerks and their LUXURY houses and fittings)but that was last month, what's on the agenda for this month? Every ones gone quite, no more child abuse, no more sexual abuse, no more suicides, all communities are up to standard according to the visiting ARMY Practioners.
WHEN ARE THE HOUSING CRISIS GOING TO BE LOOKED AT AND WHEN IS THE GOVERNMENTS PLANS GOING TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITIES THE BEST PLACES TO LIVE IN, for a start they don't know what they are talking about. visiting one community doesn't make you an expert on all, YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN, A WHOLE LOT MORE.

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No Name
October 3rd, 2007

I believe the Indigenous leaders who travelled to Canberra are showing to other Australians the need for laws to be created that respect everyones social commons. Social commons that are currently shared by all, but have no legal protection, are undervalued and not recognised within the current laws of economics.
How a government treats its indigenous populations is a good reflection on what principles drive that government and its stance toward human quality of life.
Under the current economic framework we have Regulated Economics- "Where governments regulate corporations, but within this system what ends up happening is corporations end up regulating governments"(Peter Barnes,2007) and this system doesn't value cultural, social, intellectual or environmental commons.

The indigenous peoples hold social commons as an important make up of their way of life within communities and are thus effected greatly when these are impacted upon.

Its a lesson to other Australians that also hold social commons dear- that they are not valued and can also as easily be exploited by governments and corporations that act insatiably for more and more profit, that can ultimately diminish the resources that sustain cultures,societies and environments-LIFE.

Their message is to the rest of Australians.

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Tex
October 18th, 2007

I used to fly from Kalgoorlie to many of the central communities and was amazed at the things which went on such as petrol sniffing, sexual abuse and violence, not to mention some of the blatant misuse of ATSIC resources and money. However there seemed to be no political interest in trying to solve any of these problems and unfortunately, there still is none.
This legislation is an attempt at getting some votes and it (once again) is only a white man's band-aid solution. A complex issue such as this cannot be fixed just by passing some legislation and spending some money. Politicians like the Prime Minister need to get out there in these communities and make a genuine effort to understand what is happening from the perspective of those affected. Let's see them go and spend a week or two living in the desert and getting some empathy for a different culture in their own land rather than jetting off all round the world (especially to Washington).

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Ibu
October 21st, 2007

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Proper DISCREET consultation is required for this action. The Infantilized thinking of our current government is shameful.This does not happen when abuse occurs in the non- Aboriginal community.There are no News Broadcasts about it and you certainly DO NOT read about it in the papers and NOBODY uses it for political gain in their workplace. Child abuse is a sad and serious matter and there are processes set up for reporting that ensures the child is not identified publicly. This process keeps the child safe and anonymous in their community at large. People who are responsible for the safety of kids have a contact number so that the report is dealt with appropriately by a group of professionals. It is not a mater for public consumption. It should be dealt with professionally kept between the informer(the person that child trusts) and the appropriate government body. Why should our Aboriginal People be treated as completely inept in this matter? Why did it have to be a bigger issue than any other sexual abuse that occurs every day in every part of our white society? I agree that this is an urgent issue our Aboriginal People, but for God's Sake Mr Howard show some decorum with kids at risk and some respect for our Aboriginal People.

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Debbie Sleigh
October 29th, 2007


I absolutely support workable solutions regarding Indigineous land rights, based on proper consultation between Indigenous people and the government.

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Dr Geoff Meers
November 14th, 2007

I am a doctor that works at Elcho Island and other remote Aboriginal communities. This legislation is guaranteed to exacerbate the problem for the following reasons:
1. The adverse social and health outcomes of Indigenous communities are directly related to their sense of disempowerment and loss of control over their lives.
The aspects of this legislation that contribute to this disempowerment are: that it was rammed through parliament with minimal input or ownership from the affected communities; that the CDP, a crucial vehicle for local ownership and empowerment, instead of being supported and strengthened, was dismantled. That the permit system, which protects isolated communities from white parasites who would like to move in and exploit these vulnerable and unsophisticated people, will be abolished. That instead of bringing in culturally sensitive policing, the army were sent in.
This legislation is a recipe for disaster, especially for the more functional remote communties. Please repeal it now!

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von
November 19th, 2007

the aboriginals should not hav been treated like this if they were white this would be seen as inhumain

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