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Tasmania - Under the Gunns


Posted on the campaign blog , September 1st, 2007
A quarter of a century ago, national public outcry over the proposed destruction of Tasmanian wilderness in the Franklin River helped bring down a Federal Government. The lessons of history ignored, today’s politicians, again on the cusp of a federal election, are set to give the go-ahead to another controversial and damaging industrial development in Tasmania, against the people’s wishes and in the face of overwhelming public outrage.

Over 25,000 GetUp! members have sent their individual submissions to Federal Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull, urging him to deny approval to the proposed Gunns pulp mill in the Tamar Valley, north of Launceston. The figure is an impressive counterbalance to the weight of Gunns' potent political influence, and accordingly the Minister has further delayed decision on the matter to diffuse the political heat he is feeling.

Gunns argues that the mill will meet 'world class' environmental standards and provide a significant boost to the Tasmianian economy. To ensure its position as the “world’s greenest pulp mill”, Gunns demands continued access to old growth forests for the next 30 years. This is the rhetoric; a mixture of economic logic and environmental placation.

The reality however is that many remain unconvinced by Gunns’ pitch. There are a number of salient environmental concerns attached to the proposed mill which highlight the ecological reprehensibility of the project. Its sheer enormity, for example, necessitates a vast consumption of wood. The Centre for International Forestry Research contends that a mill with an annual capacity of 1 million tonnes requires approximately 4.5-5 million cubic metres of wood – around 15 per cent of the total annual timber harvest of the Amazon. This factor makes a let up in the clearfelling of Tasmanian forests unlikely, a practice which not only reduces hectares of ancient trees to piles of smouldering ash but also produces levels of air pollution which antagonise respiratory conditions and lung cancer in local communities. However it is not simply humans that bare the brunt of plantation fall-out. Local wildlife, including devils, bandicoots and potoroos technically sanctioned by their endangered species category, are often brutally poisoned in order to stave off the decimation of plantation saplings.

Furthermore, it is suggested that the plant will guzzle up to 26 billion litres of water per annum, dumping around 30 billion litres of effluent into the Bass Strait. According to The Wilderness Society, such effluents will invariably contain dioxins and furans which build up within the marine food chain, leading to diseases and reproductive abnormalities in fish, with such mutations also having detrimental effects on seal and dolphin populations. These developments are unlikely to compliment Tasmania’s burgeoning wine and tourism industries, nor its prominent fishing trade. What emerges is the systematic eradication of biodiversity in Tasmania’s pristine flora and fauna.

Aside from these disturbing conservational revelations, there lies the issue of state and federal compliance in a way which flouts the integrity of democratic process. A damning essay by Richard Flanagan (which prompted Geoffrey Cousins' intervention into the debate) exemplifies the heavy hand of Gunns in manipulating the government – or gunnerment, as it is perjoratively termed. Both Howard and Rudd have publicly acquiesced to the demands of the wood-chipping industry.

Rather than see a decline which would bring the state more closely in line with the rest of Australia, Tasmania’s forest-logging practices have been granted the greenlight to accelerate. Laws have been altered in order to accommodate lax environmental standards, assessments have proved increasingly shoddy, and there appears no guarantee that wood-chippers will have to answer to anyone but their shareholders. As Flanagan states: “Tasmania has mortgaged its future to the wood-chipping industry, which is today dominated by one company: Gunns Ltd. And it is Gunns – not the Tasmanian people – that has been the beneficiary of the destruction of Tasmania’s unique forests”.

By allowing the construction of Gunns’ proposed pulp mill in its current form, not only will Australia be forcing yet another nail into the coffin of our country’s environmental future and condoning the corporate gambling of an exhaustible public resource, but will also sanction practices which eradicate the voice of dissent and encourage the corporate policing of Australian governance.

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Ed Coper
September 1st, 2007

Gunns have controlled the Tassie 'gunnerment' for decades - no opposition is forthcoming from the TAS Lennon government, and without public pressure like this campaign, the federal government would follow suit. How can Turnbull and the PM ignore these 25,000 public submissions? I'd like to know if they've ever recieved more on a similar inquiry!

Anyone who's been to Tassie will know that there is some of the last areas of pristine old-growth forests in the world. I amreminded of a poetic and flowery anti-graffiti sign i once saw on a Chinese monument: "One act of carelessness leads to eternal loss of beauty". After decades of the Green movement (which was born in Tasmania after a similar dispute - the Franklin), have we learnt nothing of the destructive tide of unchecked development?!

Anyone who speaks out against Gunns is pilloried. Well they've got a lot of work on their hands with these 25,000.

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Phil Davis
September 1st, 2007

The people of Tasmania have the filthiest air in the country. 'Clean and green" Tasmania is not, we'd be better to call it "Australia's Ashtray". Forestry activity continually pollutes the air in all but the hottest months (when it is unsafe to burn) and is destroying biodiversity. From the end of March until early December it is impossible to leave windows open for fresh air and, if you value your health, unsafe to venture outside when night settles in the Tamar valley due to severe pollution, most of which originates from burnoff. Gunns and Forestry Tasmania have stolen our quality of life, this obscene pulp mill will be the final nail in the coffin. The Federal governments subsidies for private forestry are systematically destroying our rural sector, our air quality and our way of life, to satisfy a handful of forestry workers and greedy corporations. All politicians who voted to support pulp mill decision should hang their heads in shame, in my opinion they are not fit to serve in office.

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Kate Westwood
September 1st, 2007

We need to have a referendum & ask the question-Do you support the logging of old growth forest & the building of the pulpmill? not something like-Are you against a forestry industry in Tasmania?

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Brenda Lines
September 1st, 2007

Can't we have the beauty of Nature over rule the almighty dollar and the fat wallet of Big Business for once. People are far more canny, savvy and informed than in the Past when a patriarchal approach from the Feral Govt was accepted, and more vocal. Let's save our environment and our lifestyles or there will be no economy worth having.

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Annabelle Lukin
September 1st, 2007

The Labor Party - state and Federal - is a disgrace. Where's Peter Garrett on this issue? And Kevin Rudd?

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baldassarre lucaroni
September 1st, 2007

If the Pulm MIll goes ahead, both Howard and Malcolm Turnbull deserve not to be re-elected...
C-mon voters..., give'em a lesson !!!

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wilma pearson
September 1st, 2007

Why does our government and others around the world still consider unsustainable practices?
An absolutely must read is Steven Greer's book: 'Hidden Truths Forbidden Knowledge'. You can find more info on the website: www.DisclosureProject.org
Knowledge is power.
Wilma

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Neville Wright
September 1st, 2007

The President of Austratia has spoken. There will be a pulp mill in Tasmania. The government has gone power mad in the lead up to the election. Howard has now overridden his minister. Will Turnbull have the guts to defy him? I think not! The people of Australia must speak loudly and get rid of this monstrosity in the name of democracy. For me, I will NEVER vote for a political party again, only for independants.

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Anne & Dimitri Gotsis
September 1st, 2007

Poor Mal! Now his boss, Johnny Howard, has stated that apparently irrespective of the outcome of the Chief Scientist's report or Minister Turnbull's decision, that the mill will go ahead as proposed anyway! Back to the drawing board, Mr. Cousins. Such flagrant rejection of proper processes and satisfaction with possible future environmental degradation deserves severe punishment at the polls.

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Sandra Bekin
September 1st, 2007

BOYCOTT MITRE 10????
GUNNS Ltd is now the de facto government of Tasmania, and thumbs it's nose at the Federal Government.
The politcal leaders whom we elected must stop the environmental, social, and economic terrorism of this company with the same vigour they apply to the 'War on Terror'.
Of course, I now BOYCOTT Gunns' MITRE 10 hardware chain.
Do you?

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Sandra Bekin
September 1st, 2007

I now boycott Mitre 10, a Gunns Ltd business. Any other businesses that I find are a part of Gunns will lose my patronage. It is a tiny protest, one drop in the ocean, but I WILL vote with my feet.
Sandra

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Margaret Brockman
September 1st, 2007

I would like to hope that in the future our children and grandchildren will look back on us with gratitude for how we cared for the world they inherit, rather than in shame and condemnation over how we destroyed it for them. No amount of money will make up for a world besieged by cataclysmic disasters brought on by our selfishness and lack of forethought.

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Jaye Newland
September 2nd, 2007

Corporate power is the devil in the woodpile, and the Federal government is supporting further wanton destruction of the forests of Tasmania, by using taxpayers money, to help an unsustainable, irresponsible, action, economically and environmentally.
This is an example of the Federal governments pro corporate power, in an economy based on the market place, which has no interest in the health of our planet, or the health of our people.

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Dawn Brand
September 2nd, 2007

How will we ever be able to explain to future generations why our govenment not only plans to let this destruction of the environment orrur but gave its blessing to this destruction all for the sake of the economy and letting big business rule our beautiful country. When will governments understand that people and the environment are much more important than the economy. It is better to be alive and healthy but poor rther than the health of humans and the enviroment be very sick. It is beyond my belief that the policy makers values are so misguided and destructive but the government can't see it.

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Dawn Brand
September 2nd, 2007

Stop the pulp mill now. How will we ever be able to explain to future generations why our govenment not only plans to let this destruction of the environment orrur but gave its blessing to this destruction all for the sake of the economy and letting big business rule our beautiful country. When will governments understand that people and the environment are much more important than the economy. It is better to be alive and healthy but poor rther than the health of humans and the enviroment be very sick. It is beyond my belief that the policy makers values are so misguided and destructive but the government can't see it.

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Chris Hart-Smith
September 2nd, 2007

If anyone needs reminding what this is all about. Last week Griffith, NSW had its hottest August day on record, well over 1 degree higher than the previous record. The legacy we are leaving our children really stinks, and all in the name of our own indulgences.

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Len Kloosman
September 2nd, 2007

Not only the pollution: consider the following scenario - they build the mill - devastation at ground level - they run it for a few years until the cost of producing Tasmanian paper way exceeds that cost of importing it from China (or wherevere) since our trade agreements no longer allows for heavy subsidies - they shut it down as jobs etc go off shore - we're stuck with a huge structure as a blot on the landscape for evermore. Even at this stage far more practical to import it and get done with. This cannot be considered to be a sustainable industry any longer.

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Jennifer Scott Birch
September 2nd, 2007

What sort of world do Bush and Howard want their grand kids to live in? let alone their Great Grand Children? I am already a great grand mother

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Aileen Lyle
September 2nd, 2007

We need to find other sorts of business ventures in Tasmania to undergird the economy. The pulp mil project is seriously tragically reminiscent of a previous premier of Tasmania's efforts, (Robin Gray), who sold us out to EZ, which still dis-graces the Derwent estuary and here is Paul Lenin willing to pollute another body of water, plus the surrounding countryside, for apparently similar reasons. Please don't do this to Tasmania and the rest of Australia and eventually, the rest of the world.

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Rod McClure JP
September 2nd, 2007

ALARMED & ALERT and seriously bothered by the immediate state of affairs being force driven by sherrif Howard and his new world order associates prancing with the coalition of the willing.
We are all under the gun and in the hands of this corporate dictatorial psyche driven by the American armanents mobsters and the dominating power merchants of energy.
We managed to get rid of cigarettes and we can get rid of these "sugar dribbling mobsters" too.
As serious a transgression against the mood of the world as the Tasmanian Gunns paper mill is the issue is being manipulated and sensationalised in a very sinister diversion from the land grab in the Central Australia which is actually being conducted as clandestine military invasion to make way for the expansion of the American military build in the Pacafic.
Yes the land thay are resuming is simply the perimiter of the massive military base being establish to contain and ensure the uranium supply and njuclear waste dump for the next few years. We have been conditioned to be aware of the dreaded invasion from the North and "of course we need to reinforce our defences". Look back at the Talpa lies and we now question the Bali bombing in similar manner the world questions the "supposed attack" of September 11.
This is a big election and the gangsters are doing they utmost to silence the masses and lock up the children for hundreds of years of future abuse.
Who really are the perpertrators in this political assult?
We must get up and tell the world to Awake Awake Awake because they have been asleep for 2000 years and if they do not awaken now they will loose this opportunity for another 2000 years. Blessings all and good morning world.

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Alan Woodcock
September 2nd, 2007

For to long Gunns have had it their way in Tasmania.Tasmania is part of Australia--therefore why not an AUSTRALIA WIDE REFERENDUN NOW--ASK THE WHOLE COUNTRY WHAT IT THINKS OF THE LENNON STATE GOVT AND THEIR UNDERHANDED PLANS FOR THE PULP MILL.Once that mill is up and running the Tamar Valley is all but gone.Launceston already has a problem with polution--Have the so called "
Leaders" of Australia no shame?? Or is EVERYTHING governed by the almighty $$$$$$

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Derek Fielding
September 2nd, 2007

What disappoints me most is federal Labor's reluctance to take a stand on this and many other issues. I don't want an opposition which is afraid to take positions on principle. That was what lost me during Beasley's time. At least Latham appeared to stand for something even if he self-destructed.

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Lesley Painter
September 2nd, 2007

The relationship between the CMFEU and Gunns and the Labor government is hugely compromising - with Liberals endorsement. This is a test case for climate change commitment.

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Leanne Nankivell
September 2nd, 2007

I thought that Australia had strict policies on terrorists!
Gunn's are environmental terrorrists! Here is the Liberal Governments chance to use all their new laws and policies against Gunns notgive them free reign!

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Des O'Neill
September 2nd, 2007

What could be worse than covering up child abuse and paedophilia.

In particular, I refer to a series of articles written by Piers Akerman in the Sydney Daily and Sunday Telegraph.

Long-running scandal threatens Rudd
Piers Akerman – Saturday, August 18, 07

Hiding in the shadows
Piers Akerman – Wednesday, August 22, 07

Tragic story cries out for an ending
Piers Akerman – Saturday, August 25, 07

A shameful cover-up
Piers Akerman – Saturday, September 01, 07

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/piersakerman/index.php

If GetUp really wants to get involved in a campaign of importance, this is it.

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Leanne Nankivell
September 2nd, 2007

I read with interest the blog regarding Steven Greer. He adamantly claims we already have sustainable free energy available to us, but the technologies are hidden/kept from us so that corporate global powers can maintain ther wealth/power and control strategies. I am sure that there are other free energy devices that have been invented but are unable to become proliferant because of the above. Tom Bearden also writes about free energy from the vacuum and is currently in the process of desiging and manufacturing a free energy machine called the MEG. His book Energy from the Vacuum is also available free to any student who wishes to research his work. So get on board and lets make these destroyers of nature obsolete!

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September 2nd, 2007

A disturbing look at the truth of the situation that the typlical Tasmanian is becoming aware of.

This article makes Tasmanians look like mushrooms but the distressing thing is the length of time we have been just that. In part because we have trusted the Lennons and Bacons who have deceived us.

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Jim Wright
September 2nd, 2007

Your comment
The problem with current logging practice is not that it takes place at all, but the manner in which it is done. In the 19th century, the government ranger would blaze the trees which were available. These would be cut down individually and pulled out of the forest, usually with teams of horses. The point was that the understory and all of the communities of living creatures were left largely intact.
Today, clear felling removes the entire forest, which is then replaced by a plantation of the same trees, but nothing else. This is justified in the name of economy. This is a false argument as the principle pressure on prices comes from woodchip production - mainly for paper manufacture. Hemp and other products with a much shorter life-cycle could be substituted and would be much more profitable, leaving tree timber for high-value work such as house-building, furniture and so forth. The only reason for pursuing current policies is to maintain current levels of employment and profit in the industry. The best policy would be for the government to provide incentives for the development of exit strategies to allow such companies (timber, tobacco, oil, whatever) to move their operations, over time, to more environmental sustainable fields.

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Peter O'Donnell
September 2nd, 2007

I feel we need to think here about the alternatives.
In Aus we buy about half our paper from overseas, a large portion of it from Indonesia where they cut down equatorial rainforest to plant Eucalypts for pulp and have virtually no environmental controls.
Do we continue to buy paper there or do we make our own in a mill that is to world standards ?
If we are serious about the environment we should be making our paper in Australia where we can grow the best hardwoods in the world, especially in Tasmania.
If humans walked out of Tassie & threw a match over their (collective) shoulder as they went, in 100 years it would look just like no white man had ever visited...
Think globally.

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September 2nd, 2007

The hysterical approach by the Labor party isn't the way to go, as the economical considerations have to be listened to. If we go too far in a short time we will endanger our treasured economical prosperity. The carefully calculated approach by the government is the only way to not only help the environment in the future but maintain our prosperity.

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Wendy Blake
September 2nd, 2007

NOT SO MUCH A COMMENT AS A CURSE

The logging of the old growth forests anywhere is reprehensible:

GIVEN THE DIRE DISASTER OF CLIMATE CHANGE THAT STARES US ALL İN THE FACE. OUR URGENT NEEDS FOR HUMAN CHANGES İN BEHAVİOUR WİLL BE DENİED YET AGAİN İF THE CRAVEN IDİOCY OF THİS GUNNS PROJECT GOES AHEAD.

NO MORE BUSİNESS AS USUAL, HOWARD !!

EİTHER LEAD WİTH HUMANITIES AND THE PLANET'S INTREST TO THE FORE OR MOVE OVER BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T WE WILL MOVE YOU OUT !!

I / WE REPEAT, NO MORE BUSİNESS AS USUAL HOWARD !

HEED THE CALL OF DİFFERENT DRUMMER OR BE DAMNED !

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Briallyn Hale
September 2nd, 2007

I just wanted to share with you my experience in the Styx Forest, to which I visited several times as a child.
My parents were both avid greenies as am I today.
I can honestly say that what is happening in this valley changed my view on life for ever. The shear devastation, the eerie silence, the feeling of death, it is not normal nor is it acceptable. There are no birds, there are no animals, there is no wind in the trees - because there aren't any, there is erosion, and charred tree stumps of ancient giants that once lived.
As a child it was a most profound experience to see death on such a grand scale. This must stop. It can not be allowed to continue, surely no amount of money or votes can make this right?
I am now 30 and have kids of my own. I have just shown my 3 year old photos of what I once saw first hand. Even he understood the destruction. Why can't our politicians?
After all, what is the point of having either votes, or money if we don't have a world in which to live in?

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john halden
September 2nd, 2007

You need to make in clear what is meant by the term "in its current form" What form would you accept=realistically?

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Dr Liz Conor
September 2nd, 2007

Anyone out there want to organise a Blockade? Turnbul has delayed the decision to avoid precisely this. I think we should get down there, get press, and explode this into the election issue it should be!

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Aline Burgess
September 2nd, 2007

Dont let our forests get decimated. 1.Giving Gunns a 30 year deal to wipe out Tasmania's forests. 2.Shareholders take profits out of Tasmania. 3Federal government should provide subsides to timber workers families till new jobs are found. Ex. Timber Worker.

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September 2nd, 2007

Infrustructure - my point about it is:-

When it comes to planning and large scale industrial infrustructure, such as Gunns pulp mill, the time has come for PLANNING to include government regulation reclaim previously abandoned industrial land, rather than using green fields to build a new industrial facility.

Gunns should not be located in the Tamar Valley.

Water intake should be downstream of effluent outlets.

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Katrina Smith
September 2nd, 2007

Tasmania is gorgeous. Let's keep it that way. Huge multinationals only care about the bottom line - green spins are used to placate shareholders, that is about it. The pressure needs to be kept up.

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Katrina Smith
September 2nd, 2007

Tasmania is gorgeous. Let's keep it that way. Huge multinationals only care about the bottom line - green spins are used to placate shareholders, that is about it. The pressure needs to be kept up.

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Elizabeth Conroy
September 2nd, 2007

Stop Gunns bully boy tactics - stop the pulp mill & environmental vandalism. Abhore lack of due process!!!! We need Greens to have balance of power in the Senate.

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Marian McDuie
September 2nd, 2007

I am appalled at the Tasmanian government's behaviour on this issue. It has bypassed, side stepped and danced around the lesiglative responsibilities it has to a undertake a thorough assessment of the true environmental impacts that the Gunns proposed paper mill will have on the Tamar Valley. I hold the belief that if Gunns haven't planted the timber they intend to use in the mill, they have no right to take what is not theirs, but that which belongs to all Australians, our old growth native forests. The income generated by the pulp mill would not compare to the long term income possible from tourism in the region if it does not go ahead. Combined with the value of Tasmainia's clean green reputation, it will cause great damage to the local environment, the adjoining natural systems, and will be a major greenhouse gas producer both by it's emissions, and from the release of carbon currently locked up in the old growth forests. It seems diabolical that the Federal Government was recently seeking to impress the rest of the world by setting up monitoring procedures for the asian region, our immediate neighbours of Indonesia to be exact, in an attempt to halt logging of old growth rainforest in that region. Should we not do so in our own backyard first before we try telling others what to do with their natural resources? We must make our politicians aware that we will not tolerate this madness. It makes no sense for us to continue to clear fell old growth forests for short term monetary gain, especially when that monetary gain is limited to a corporation such as Gunns. This should become a major election issue. We need to make a stand now, for the children of our future, for our own children and for ourselves. Let us not simply stand by and bare silent witness to this stupidity.

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Steve Kando
September 3rd, 2007

In a world ravaged by industrial pollution, Tasmania is in a unique position to capitalize on its clean water, clean air and its relative isolation from northern hemisphere, where pollutants are rendering much of the food crops toxic.
Consequently there is a big and growing market for organically grown food in Europe and North America - and a growing shortfall in the availability of certified organic crops and meat.
If Tasmanians would only recognise the fact that their state is in the 'box seat' as regards organic food - and do everything to preserve their clean environment Tasmanias future would be very bright indeed.
It doesn't matter if the average Tasmanian thinks that only "tree hugging loonies" eat organic produce - they can still make a mint of clean air and water and have more home grown jobs than they've ever dreamed of.

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Jill Taylor
September 3rd, 2007

TO: MALCOLM TURNBULL
Here are my passionate reasons for you to say "No" to the Tasmanian pulp mill, presented in bullet-form for easy reading:

- Your willingness to give Australian money to re-plant Asian region forests acknowledges the need to keep as much forest as possible to protect the Earth, so why continue to drop our precious forests?

- You know how unique Tasmania is, so can't you see how tourism will far out-live our forest supplies. People would come from all around the world for the kind of tourism Tasmania offers, and which has significant potential for further eco development.

- Pulp is such a degrading and undignified material for our magnificent forests. It has to stop some time; it cannot go on, so please stop it here and now. You have a great opportunity to fulfil the hopes Australians had for your involvement in politics - BE BRAVE and stand-up for the health of the our environment which you have the privilege of managing at this time.

- Many, if not most, Australians have had to deal with re-inventing themselves from losing careers and work through closures, up and down-sizing business etc..; the examples are many. Jobs are NOT easy to obtain on the mainland in one's established career. Drastic changes have occurred in work type, hours, remuneration, accumulated work experience and achieved 'status' which has had a huge impact on families. Workers have had to move away from their homes, families and communities to have a chance of financial survival.

- If you gave the timber workers jobs with the same money, they would drop the timber industry in a flash.

- Perhaps the government needs to offer some transitional compensation to timber workers, like the commercial-government buy-out of the Victorian tobacco industry. SEND VOCATIONAL AND INDUSTRY EXPERTS TO EXPLORE OTHER EXISTING WORK SKILLS AND INDUSTRY THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED OR ENHANCED. Some timber workers may prove qualified to run aspects of eco-tourism; they may need some additional training. There may be members of timber-worker families who will welcome fresh new work opportunities that were previously unavailable because of the community-culture timber industry. The work balance for these people may need to change.

- It is clear to the rest of Australia who follow issues around the Tasmanian timber industry, the relationship between the current Tasmanian Government and Gunns, and amazingly a couple of the government's own so-called environment caretakers/protectors!, that it is about money and selfish reasoning. They are of the culture where they will NEVER willingly give-up wanting to flatten our forests. They want generational employment, so will always present the same argument.

- The decision you are making comes down to the overall environment, the whole region, particularly for this country. All commercial ownership and head-banging development will be worth NOTHING without our forests.
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Brendon
September 3rd, 2007

Democracy is on its knees, justice has been put to the sword & the pigs have their snouts firmly in the trough of Gunns. Clearly Turnbal will join them and Garrett has been gagged, but the fight must go on. We 25 000 who wrote submissions to the federal envr minister must now turn our attention to the financial backers of this project, the ANZ: we must plead with them to reconsider; threaten to shame them; and do what ever it takes. I have walked far and wide across this amazing Island, among its timeless forests with its giant inhabitants, stood atop its largest mountains, and slept surounded by wilderness. It is unique in the world and must not be destroyed for a few dollars.

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pixie Priestley-Brooks
September 3rd, 2007

The initial campaign from Get-up and Geoff Couzens certainly had a huge impact on Malcolm Turnbull. We need to show our appreciation for Mr Turnbull's stand and support him to take on the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister's intervention is act of political desperation. We've got them on the run, so keep up the pressure and let's target the Prime Minister. Chances are he will not be there after the election and will force this dreadful legacy on Tasmania. Time to go Prime Minister!

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susan landreth
September 3rd, 2007

It really makes one want to weep. The short-sighted or lack of vision with this issue. And for what - short term results and such full scale destruction. The lack of debate - as with so much these days - is another nail in the coffin for values we once all recognised.

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Robert Cameron
September 3rd, 2007

The cost of the subsequent cleanup when the mill has outlived its usefulness or proven its critics correct - will dwarf its income. Hence, cleanup will be partial or impossible. Spend the money now retraining the workers, setting up workshops, and give then better and more rewarding timber related work.

Paper fiber can come from many sources.

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Etiennette Fennell
September 3rd, 2007

There is no rain, no water, the crops are dying, our gardens and animals will die, the weather is uncertain and unleashes its anger in various parts of the world in the most devastating ways. The planet is ill and people are also sick at heart and in body for what is going on now for the sake of money, power and greed. Is there no end to this folly? When will humanity understand that it is not master of the world?

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Grant Stevenson
September 3rd, 2007

the need for industry in Tasmania is very important however not at the expense of their health ,their future and more importantly the potential for the future of a clean healthy environment .
A mill built to worlds best standard still pollutes and to base this mill in the Tamar Valley then allow effluent to flow to the Bass Strait seems to be the height of absurdity.
This country is meant to be run by intelligent people unfortunately at this stage it appears to be run by board rooms that have little care for the people or the environment.

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David Borojevic
September 3rd, 2007

One earlier post detailing that we buy much of our paper from Indonesia where environmental controls are much worse than here. True. But slowly the world is changing. I hope that one day we don't "have to" use paper bleached super-white within Kraft Mills. The Gunns mill might well be world best practice - but it still will use Chlorine bleaching that produces dioxines. Dioxines enter the eco-system and accumulate. They are highly toxic and over time will taint and therefore threaten fishing industries and the Tasmanian "Clean green" image that helps get premium prices for produce.

If we only stopped demanding pure-white paper that mostly ends up on land-fill. Non bleached paper would do just fine without the impact that dioxins can have on other sections of our economy.

But don't listen to me - just google the following words for info from the EU on how baltic sea fishermen are not allowed to sell their fish.

boltic dioxin fish

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David Borojevic
September 3rd, 2007

woops - previous post had a typo.

Baltic not Boltic!

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Bluewren
September 3rd, 2007

Use a bit of common sense. People need industry and to look after families first and that is what the primeminister and the Government is doing and they will look after the envireonment as well.Thank goodness because you lot You are a lot of ill informed trouble makers nothing more.
Not that you publish anythng against your particular point of view. You leaders like Brown well we know where his inclinations lay and not with preserving the family that's for sure.Nor that raw boned rocker.
also because of the likes of you we had the worst bushfires in history because they listened to you and didn't do the burning off ( which the abbo's did for years) to counteract the threat of dry weather and bushfire.
Get a life!

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Karin Ann Didcott
September 3rd, 2007

I spent a month in Tasmania 5 years ago and was most distressed to witness the damage done to that lovely place by the clear felling everywhere we went in the eastern half of the island.
I wept to see the appalling rape of the Picton River as we looked in a westerly direction from the summit of the Harz Mountain. My son had cut his rafting teeth on that river 15 years ago and he spoke so poetically of its beauty at that time. No one will ever experience that again - IT'S LOST FOREVER.
Chorus of Women gave a presentation, called On the Edge of Silence, to Canberra's Science Week recently and here are the words of one of their songs (even more moving with the music!):

Dreaming song.

A slender golden moon
Has mounted the black-winged night of my dream
Riding the glossy sky
She is singing the way

CHORUS Wail-away people
Wail-away
Wax again Gaia
And the tides will be a-turning

She sings to her sister, Earth
“Are our mysteries still being kept?
Are your sparkling waters clear?
Are the forests still breathing tonight?”

And our mother, The Earth, cries back
That the trees have been taken away
And her lover The Sky is soiled
And the Songs of Love are silent

“Shine light in the dreams of the people,”
Earth cries to her sister Moon
“Fill their souls with sorrowing love for the world
Place the Songs of Life in their hearts”

CHORUS: Listen people!
The Earth is singing
Gaia is dreaming still
Sing up the ancient hymn
And the tides will be a-turning.

I sent these words to Malcolm Turnbull recently. I don't suppose he read them. But we can (and must) keep up hope.

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Gavin Banks
September 3rd, 2007

At what point does the buck stop?

If we do not stand up and be counted as adults willing to put off short-term "gains" (whatever they are promised to be) for the long-term good-of-all, who will? Industry is only interested in profit despite what they say.

Tasmania's forests - ancient beauty, generators of clear air, playgrounds of adventurers and home to wonderous flora and fauna - are certainly worth fighting for. The only time to act is now, on this issue, while there is still time.

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Dana Kelly
September 3rd, 2007

I am horrified that a pulp-mill is likely to be appreoved in Tasmania. As an island, this part of Australia has some hope of retaining its "clean, green" image. So, even in economic terms, why should we risk jeopardising this trade advantage we have for our agricultural products and as a prime tourist destination. Shame of our politicians if they agree to this proposal, regardless of whether it meets its environmental safeguards, I do not think we should allow this mill to be built in Tasmanaia.

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Eric Yuen
September 3rd, 2007

Our environment and natural heritage is more important than any company or political party. If we mess up our environment, we can't get it back- we can always start up a company or political party.
So Minister Turnbull and Mr Garrett, please show us some leadership and fortitude and wisdom to know when to leave things alone.
Your decision will have a lasting impact for generations to come after us.
If we need a pulp mill that badly, then set it up not at a cost to the enviroment, and where there are renewable resources to sustain it. Reneawble resources can be created sensibly,and with acceptable viabilty.
We should learn from the wisdom of our original Australians, and that is to respect our natural environment and to live in harmony with it. We should be nurturing our environment by taking good care of it,so that our future generations will inherit something good.
Mr Turnbull and Mr Garrett, is the proposed pulp mill going to do that?

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Paul Miles
September 3rd, 2007

The Tamar Valley is the wrong place to build a mill - but one is needed somewhere. If it'snot built in Tasmania the raw material will need to be taken elsewhere, resulting in increased fossil fuel burnt in shipping. Also, a mill here will add value to the exports and help our balance of trade. As long as new trees are planted to replace those cut, logging is not the real carbon dioxide problem: it's burning oil and coal and letting nimbys stop wind farms.

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RJ
September 3rd, 2007

When backpacking (18 years ago)in Europe, A Parisien friend always spoke of many significant things as 'monuments'. But not just grand french buildings were 'monuments' - anything that was significant to French culture was a 'monument'. She was only young - but the French are educated from a young age about French heritage and about beauty - and that each human is just passing through this world so don't ruin it for the next. It's no coincidence that the French have never come up with great rational economists nor have they been a breeding ground for great business people. It seemed strange to me then - but as I got older I came to understand. Australia has many monuments - and most of them are Natural monuments - unfortunately Australians (as a whole) don't seem to think of them that way. This is the first time I've visited this website - and while I'm sure your actions are honourable they wont work until you target education. The fact that the Gunns Mill is an election issue at all is a damnation on our education system - it wouldn't be on the agenda at all if we were all educated about how precious a monument Tasmanis is to all of us (For that matter, the existing chip mill should not be sitting on the edge of one of the most beautiful rivers in our country). Australians are simply not worthy to be custodians of such a rare place - until we are educated enough to do so.

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Jill Thomas
September 3rd, 2007

I oppose this mill on environmental grounds. It seems that the obvious way to stop it is to target Gunns' financiers. The Tasmanian state Premier has publicly admitted that the reason the mill is being fast tracked is to satisfy Gunns' financiers. Who are they? Often large corporates have fairly strong policies in Social Corporate Responsiblity. Wouldnt it be straight forward to embarrass these banks into withdrawing their support for Gunns and therefore stop the mill?

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Rhani Dean-Talbett
September 3rd, 2007

Dear Mr Turnbull,

Tasmania's wilderness is its best kept asset. To allow the pulp mill to go ahead will destroy this asset. We are living in a time where climate change is at the top of the agender, so what are we doing approving the pulp mill which will add enourmous amounts of greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere, destroy a pristine ecosystem, reduce Tasmania's tourism appeal and give Gunns even greater control over people and government.

Do not approve the pulp mill, protect Tasmania's forrest and think of the future.

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Peter Graham
September 3rd, 2007

Mr Turnbull,
You have the power to say no to the monstrosity being foisted on Tasmania by Gunns and politicians. The other day, the prime minister said the pulp mill should not go ahead unless all of the environmental criteria have been met. He has rarely committed himself so completely to anything so polemical. There could not be many reasons for this plant to go ahead, given that it depends on destroying old-growth forest, using billions of litres of water, polluting the ocean with toxic chemicals, filling the air with particulate pollution and smell, making the areas clearfelled inhospitable for native wildlife and inimical to the regrowth of the native forest, and other nasties of which I am yet unaware. The sole justification for this abomination is profits for Gunns. While I think profits are highly important, they should not be garnered at such cost to the whole community. The whining excuse that building no mill will cost jobs and ruin the economy is just scare-mongering. The governments and businesses are surely capable of finding a way to re-employ any workers affected and ensure that jobs and profits are perpetuated. They cannot be as economically and intellectually bankrupt as they pretend to be, or what use are they? You have the chance to stand up for economic and environmental astuteness, so please take it.

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T Rockendorfer
September 3rd, 2007

Climate wise we can't afford a pulp mill in Tasmania

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Brendan Morse
September 3rd, 2007

Dear Mr Turnbull and all your relevant colleagues,
Please use simple logic, heart and ethic with this issue. There is only one correct decision. Do not allow this mill to go ahead as planned. It is simply wrong, innapropriate, ill-considered and has only one beneficiary, Gunns.
The Australian people will simply not continue to stand by and allow what's left of our clean soil and waterways to be destroyed so indiscriminately. The people and environment of the Tamar Valley area, with all it's natural, agricultural and tourism wealth, cannot become another victim of pointless corporate bullying with a view to blind shareholder interests. There is no such thing as an 'environmentally sound' pulp mill. This creature is a fallacy and a farce.

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Tony Waters
September 3rd, 2007

Once again we have the worlds biggest liars and cheats having a talk fest sitting around carving up the worlds assets and being protected by the media and military Benjamin Franklin once said the finest form of patriotism is dissent these people are called trouble makers yet all they are doing is having the guts to stand up for what is right

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Carmel ATTARD
September 3rd, 2007

The constant Hype about Economy, Jobs and Industry is Nothing other than Greed, Self interest .. Short term gain for long term pain ... Once the damage is done it is done for Ever .. There is no turning back .. ever. For a few jobs which wilol eventually disappear when the trees eventually have been made to vanish into saw dust .. those jobs will vanish too ... If Gunns keep bullshitting about replanting .. why aren't they today chopping the trees they have replanted ... or is it that they don't grow fast enough ... They should come out and tell us how much at stake all those interested parties are banking on .. starting from the Premmiere Paul Lennon himself. As for peter Garret ...SHAAAAAAAME!!!

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Julie Bullard
September 3rd, 2007

There is so much detailed and convoluted discussion over the proposed pulp mill, as regards the impact of its operations. Why is it that we are not simply saying, as a nation
'We will NOT cause one hectare more of deforestation"
I am amazed at the hypocracy of all the new jargon around 'carbon credits', when these forests that are under threat of being chipped, are already providing exactly what our earth so desperately needs in terms of existing carbon credits.

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Maarten van Prooije
September 4th, 2007

Your comment This time they are looking at climate change. We need to re-enforce this by a positive demonstration. This time no-one should turn up - a storng protest to what the world has been doing with our environment by complete absence re-enforcing their decision to address it. George W.and Johnny W. will not be able to duck their responsibalities. It will also show our commitment as a public to the cause.
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Brendon
September 4th, 2007

An earlier post vilifies greenies as being illinformed trouble makers and suggests that we need to look after families and jobs first. Builiding a pulp mill will do neither of these; it will impact adeversely on human health and the job market. Tourism and fisheries jobs will be lost (approx 700) along with the 'clean green' tag that we have worked so hard for (already shell fish suppliers are feeling the impact and the mill hasnt been built yet). Surely if we need industry so badly we can find something less damaging (INCAT for example) instead of locking ourselves into a low brow pursuit such as paper making.

This person also suggests that a lack of fuel reduction burns was responsible for the east coast fires last year. What they don't understand is that climate variability, lower than average rainfall (caused by cloud seeding in the west of the state), arson and dumb luck were the primary causes of the fires. Fuel reduction burns, somewhat paradoxidly, only result in increased fuel loads in the next growing season - leaving the forests alone and promoting natural mosaics reduce fire hazards, not prescribed burns.

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Melissa Bull
September 4th, 2007

Last night on Lateline, Alexander Downer was claiming Australia's important global responsibility at APEC to get countries to 'look at' reducing greenhouse gasses, which includes the reduction of deforestation and investing in reforestation.

But isn't Howard in favour of the mill? And therefore in support of deforestation and continued destruction of Tasmania's environment?

Here lies a massive contradiction, and an insight into how much it is all just words for the Liberal Party.

I'd like to see Kevin07 claiming loudly that Labor would not support the mill.

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Christine Coe
September 4th, 2007

If we could stop reading newspapers and just get our news in other ways, we wouldn't need these infernal paper mills so much.

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Daniel Anderson
September 4th, 2007

Large scale commercial and industrial development approvals such as this Gunns proposal but not exclusive to this proposal have been assessed and ultimately approved in direct conflict to all best practice social, environmental and scientific recommendation. People no longer live in the dark when differentiating political spin and financial allignments from real world truths. If the current coaltion govenment continues it's agenda towards global capitalism and corporation growth at all cost then let their heads hang in the political noose at the next election- because Australians want a revolution of change to stop this unsustainable vandalism.

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RJ
September 4th, 2007

There is always more than one way to skin a cat! Two of Australia's largest fund managers, Perpetual and Concorde, own over 20% of this company. Applying pressure to the Institutional shareholders is where you'll get your biggest impact. The silent fund managers who profit from these projects always seem to walk away with clear consciences - they will do anything to avoid negative publicity that might stem the flow of money to them,

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Frances Richmond
September 4th, 2007

A while ago at a Launceston Council meeting I asked Ivan Dean, the current Launceston Mayor & a Tasmanian State politician (he voted for this disgusting proposed Pulp MESS in parliament) if he could guarantee there would be no adverse outcomes for the residents of the Tamar Valley if the Pulp MESS were to be built. His answer was NO as it was out of Council's hands (or words to that effect). But hey! he wears two hats and wasn't answering my question as an elected member of the Tasmanian parliament only as the Mayor of Launceston. The public gallery clapped and hooted when the question was asked and they wanted his answer. His patronising smile seemed to free up his lips as his NO, I CAN'T GIVE A GUARANTEE flew out into the public arena. If this disgusting Pulp MESS becomes part of the Tamar Valley's environment we can all kiss goodbye to Tasmania's Clean & Green image. Let's all keep up the fight to stop the Pulp MESS and also the fight for honesty, transparency and accountability in government and the forest industry, in particular Gunns as they have the potential to impact drastically on the Tamar Valley itself and the residents of Northern Tasmania without even mentioning the mainland of Australia and the world in general. Frances

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Titch
September 4th, 2007

NO deforestation of Tasmania!
Gunns will be the only profit makers... those who value the economy over the nation's natural wellbeing are the dellusioned ones. Do you think that people cannot struggle to find their own way to prosperity without detestable corporations to lead the way for all? UNACCEPTABLE.
Liberal policies which allow for corporations to over ride the greater social will must end! Everything proposed by Gunns and their supporters is absolutely unintelligent.
Times have changed and we face a radical re think of our economy and society.
No more raping of Australia's environment or people shall be tolerated for company profits.

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Janet Harwood
September 4th, 2007

It seems jobs are the sticking point in all of this and of course profits -

so why can't we persuade Gunns to invest in something which will give both the above ...........an industry which manufactures renewable energy production units for sale in Australia -

such as individual solar collectors for every house - hold or wind turbines of photovoltaic tiles etc, etc >>

someone please tell me why this can't happen ??

voaw

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Russell Langfield
September 4th, 2007

I live in Tasmania and am all for something which will create employment in this backwater. I am desperate for a job myself.

BUT when a government squashes an assessment process in order to pave the way for a project to go ahead no matter what, this reeks of self-interest and criminal behaviour. I could not possibly accept such a proposal without the most stringent "totally independant" assessment being applied to it, and neither should the federal government.

Denmark has 48 pulp mills. The Gunns proposed pulp mill, in their own conservative submission, will discharge almost twice the dioxins that Denmarks total of 48 mills discharges per annum.

World's best practice??? I think not!

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Russell Langfield
September 4th, 2007

Something you 'mainlanders' probably are not aware of.

Almost ALL Tasmanian Labor and Liberal politicians have a background employment history in the forest industry prior to their political careers.

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Prudence Moloney
September 4th, 2007

I don't think the Labour Party will be green enough on this issue.

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angus Barnacle
September 5th, 2007

Paper fiber can come from many sources; hemp, for example is well known enough. In a warm climate you could have several crops each year. Why destroy our remaining wilderness for a couple of menial jobs and a few short term investors when we could forge a competitive and sustainable new industry around hemp and also make something of the deserts we have already created...? There too much cleared land in Australia going to waste, and too much beautiful timber being chipped for measely pieces of tissue paper. Furthermore Australia has such a wealth and cornucopia of resources we should hardly be at the mercy of 'investors.' I want to see our politicians do something visionary! not tag along behind some blinkered and number crunching investment advisor.

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Carolyn Ogston
September 5th, 2007

I encourage the Federal Minister for the Environment to pause for a moment and read The Lorax by Dr Seuss. before making his final decision.

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MeganPlumridge
September 5th, 2007

Tasmania showed the world that you cared about the enviroment with saving the Franklin River. Now your Premier and the Federal Minister Mr Turball wants to destory a beautiful place like the Tamar Valley. Please leave the area alone, think of the generations to come when there is no trees and the place is a mess .

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simone gallon
September 5th, 2007

The 330 million Aus dollars spent welcoming these dignitaries could have furnished a solar panel for all homes and a rain water tank reservoir for every home in Australia...that's what i call climate help for a desert nation.
Poverty stricken families could have been helped with that money too in the way of many refuges built and furnished.
come on Aussies come on. Come on Howard, you nong.

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Amy Suzanne wark
September 5th, 2007

So short-sighted!! Have people given up?

Does anyone remember the Australian government's global campaign for Antarctica to be protected from mining? What's happened?

If the world would die tomorrow, I would plant a tree today.

There's always hope...

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Irene
September 6th, 2007

There was a very disturbing discussion on Radio Nationals country program this week, by a forestry scientist from Tasmania . His calculations, based on available data, suggest absolutely that there isn't enough wood to fuel this pulp mill in Tasmania, which supports the International Forestry Centres research. And certainly never from plantation sources. Old growth forest sources must fuel the pulp mill for at least 30 years. It was also stated that the effective life span of the mill is only ten years and the majority of plantations come on line in 30 years? A long time ago I also heard a discussion which suggested that the state and federal subsidies to the timber industry overall are so heavy that life pensions could be easily paid out for each and every timber worker without making a dint. Perhaps alternatives, retraining, better education are all options to provide jobs which do not destroy Tasmania's greatest asset, its environment, and do not create the polarised society which is so evident in Tasmania. I was very saddened too by touring around the great local museum in Zeehan last year. There were many articles from the 19th century which boldly stated that the mining and timber resources of the state would absolutely underwrite the prosperity and future of Tasmania for the foreseeable future. Resource pillage didn't work then and it won't work now. Has anyone looked at the extensive investments being made by overseas paper giants in mills in South America, plantations on huge scales in China (Finnish/Chinese cooperation), plantations in many parts of the world, all with lower labour costs, lower transport costs and better access to world markets?? In other words mill or not, subsidies will always remain in place to underwrite an industry which has never competed without them. The supreme irony is that Japan, I think our largest pulp purchaser, has a high rate of forest protection . Their forests are locked up while ours are destroyed.

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September 6th, 2007

This must be stopped we in Innisfail and Tully in Far North Queensland have been fighting Powerlink Queensland for 8 years on their relocation of a high tension transmission line from a protected inland route to a coastal route in cyclone alley like Gunn is is driven by greed rather than the environment.

This line like Gunn's mill will expose 150 families to cancer caused by EMF's and like Gunn Powerlink and its henchman refuse to take on board any of these issues as well as evidence that this should not be done.

Also like Gunn the organisation a the government refuse to consider the Precautionary Principle of which Australia is a signatory to which says when in doubt don't.

Gunn is just another example of brainless and power hungry politicians with blatant disregard for the environment and the people in it.

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Janel
September 6th, 2007

In 2007 Gunns are still making 'pulp' why not renewable ?? Where is the LEADERSHIP?
Who will explain to the future generation what we allowed to happen - not the current pollies that's for sure.

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lisa
September 6th, 2007

last night on the abctv, i saw alexander downer saying that no uranium should leave the shores of australia and that we did NOT want the waste of it from other countrys either.
to sell any uranium to russia or any other country is totally the wrong thing for the government to do. why is it they cannot see a little further into the future and relize the mistakes they would be making globally, wake up guys!

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Anonymous
September 6th, 2007

Can you not see to the heart of the matter? Is it not evident that putting your own national land under the "protection" (control) of international power is one in many small steps to losing national sovereignty? Think about who gains from all of this, and research the affiliations of all the parties involved in the "debate". What you'll find is that they seek the same end, and that public opinion and environmental wellbeing are the very least of their concerns.

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David Nash
September 7th, 2007

Now that the Tasmanian government has approved Gunns’ pulp mill, one has to wonder if those who voted in favour of the mill really appreciate the environmental consequences of what they have now approved. Leaving aside the effects of air pollution in the Tamar valley, or the effects of destroying old-growth forests, or the consequences of reduced tourism, consider the marine environment of the Tamar estuary, and of Bass Straight.

In the draft document “proposed decision and conditions” (Department of the Environment and Water Resources), Condition 17 shows average limits for effluent concentrations for certain chemicals. These chemicals include chlorate (CLO3), chloroacetic acids, nitrogen, phosphorus, and suspended solids. Also included are dioxins and furans. The impact of 64,000 tonnes per day of effluent being released from the mill into Bass Straight via the Tamar estuary has not been given sufficient analysis by Gunns. On an annual basis, this quantity of effluent equates to 44 tonnes of chlorate, 5.5 tonnes of chloroacetic acids, 58 tonnes of nitrogen, 18 tonnes of phosphorus, and 467 tonnes of suspended solids. Should any marine life survive this chemical cocktail, it will face, in addition, the effects of dioxins and furans, whose effects on human health include (but is not limited to) cancer, birth defects, and infertility. There are no safe levels of dioxins, and yet condition 17 allows small concentrations to be present in the mill effluent.

If Gunns Ltd. cannot provide incontrovertible proof that these discharge limits will not harm marine life, or that this plume of pollutants will not be washed back to shore by currents, then on this issue alone, the pulp mill should not be approved by the Federal government. It beggars belief that the Tasmanian state ministers for Health, and for the Environment and Fisheries, have given their seal of approval.

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Joanne Naylor
September 7th, 2007

The Tasmanian State government say they are representing the majority of Tasmanians in pushing the pro pulpmill line. Let's put that to the test.

As we are about to have a federal election and Queenslanders are getting a referendum on local council consolidations - why can't the people of Tasmania have a vote on the pulp mill?

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brian Omalley
September 7th, 2007

we do not need jobs which are tainted with pollution as the side effect .Tasmania should be left as a environment for clean producersof export goods and remain as a tourist destination .
If you look up the web www.papyrusaustralia.com.au,you will find a paper production process which is environmentally safe ,energy is provided by the sun and the water use is zero in the production .The process uses waist products already grown .Why don't we spend the money on this project and change the way paper is made world wide .

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david rix
September 7th, 2007

Why do we always have to abide by these senior citizens in government. They all roll over like an old dog, have their bellies rubbed by their masters & take as many scraps as they can before their time is up.
We need to listen to the younger generations, they are the ones that have to bare the brunt of all our mistakes. Do you think any 9 year old would say " what a great idea, cool chop down more trees, create a few short term jobs, don't worry about the endangered species in the area, pollute the air, pollute the water, kill the fish. Its o.k, we won't need clean air, fresh water or food in the future when your all gone and neither will your grandchildren".
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Frances Richmond
September 7th, 2007

Is this an example of how some Australians are just brain dead? I just happened to mention to a travel agent in Gosford, NSW my thoughts on the disgusting proposed PULP MESS and after a bit of passionate 'discussion' on my part he mentioned he travels to Hobart quite a bit as his people live in Dunalley which as most Tasmanians know is closer to Hobart than to Launceston. I told him the proposed PULP MESS, if it goes ahead, will be the biggest one in the world, further explaining the negative impacts it will have on the Tamar River, on the existing and future industries, on the clean & green image and in particular on the fishing industry. He didn't know where the Tamar Valley was so I told him it was up north. The silly young man said: "Oh! well, it won't affect Hobart then!" The poor man. Is he stupid or just plain ignorant of what is happening in the world/country which he takes up space in. Hopefully he might remember our conversation and become interested in what is going on around him and not just take up space. Frances

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Erin
September 7th, 2007

We should be trying to sustain and care for our environment, not killing it and shredding it.

What are we coming to when we want to destroy our planet, for the sake of nothing but our laziness? We should all be out there contributing and trying to make a better world for our children and our grand children to live in! No destroying everything. Our country, our planet is beautiful, and who are we to kill it and stop the future generations from being able to enjoy the experience and beauty of our Earth???

Some people don't care, and some people don't believe, BUT we all need to do our part no matter what! My dad says 'How do you know they're (the scientists) are telling the truth?' Can we really afford not to trust them, then 50 years down the track stop and go ' oh shit they were right.' Can we take that risk???

Our planet is the only reason any of us are alive today! Should we not care and protect and love it like it does us???

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clancette clift
September 7th, 2007

"Please give our forests to the woodchip man
He's got a factory in old Japan....etc" (Song by Dennis Rice of Katoomba, NSW 2780. These words put it very nicely, don't you think?

Let's just chop down all the trees which are giving us air to breathe. Life isn't really worth living, so let's commit communal suicide, and while we're at it, let's give our grandchildren a death sentence too.Pass me an axe!

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M. Gelin
September 8th, 2007

"Gun(n) to Tasmania's head". Let's all help in stopping this enormous polluter from realisation.
A delegation from the tasmanian government went to Finland in July 2007 (An our winter/european summer trip?). One must assume that everything needed build this gigantic pulp mill project must have been, and should have been collected long ago? The statistics and graphs from PÖYRY OY (a large scale finnish pulp/paper mill operator) are now used to dazzle us. It has been stated (The Age Sept 04 ;"Scince Friction") that the proposed huge Bell Bay Pulp Mill is going to pollute our nature with Dioxin to the tune of only 20% less than ALL swedish pulpmills together(47 of them). Expressed differently the Bell Bay is then expected to pollute the same amount of the dreaded poison as 38 swedish mills added together!!!
Please look up on web:"Doixins in the Baltic sea" - the Finnish Commission. Don't miss this very clear and easly understood report. As I know this area in Scandinavia extremely well, I can only express my wish that all of you could for example travel to the island of Öland. Go to the beach when the weather is warm. The layman will experience a darkish water color. The smell and opacity and unclean appearance of the baltic sea water turned me right off from a wanted swim. And I was told that The Baltic sea had been cleaned up! The Helsinki report shows in precise graphs where the majority of pulp mills are situated and the areas of long term dioxin poisioning of the water and seabed.
We love eating tasmanian salmon (fatty flesh fish) due to its clean reputation. I would not touch any fatty flesh fish as dioxin becomes stored in them and then stored in our bodies. More cancers. More genetic devastation follows as amen in the church.
Mr Turnbull, can you feel the weight on your shoulders?

Yours etc. the Gremlins

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roger brown
September 10th, 2007

The only way to stop this monster is to stop the money trail. There should be more effort in legal ways with SUING gunns and their bankers(ANZ)for environmental terroristism. If you can seed doubt in their minds that we will sue for damages to the sea,air,water supply and endangered animals.They might think it's a bad investment and paybe protest at your nearest newsagent by telling them you won't buy papers any more. I get my news from the internet news sites only. You have to hit them in their back pocket.This is very wrong.

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Mal Anderson
September 11th, 2007

It's all very well getting together,but the only impact we're really going to have is to get out there and confront the people - rallies, street marches, street and market stalls. I was very disappointed to learn that you/we are not turning into a political party. The best move we could ever make is to get MPs and senators on the inside, giving the bastards heaps.

Comments amongst ourselves are really only preaching to the converted, and getting us nowhere.

I'm a member of the Greens, and utterly frustrated by their own similar local and theoretical approach, as though we're all old dears knitting away in our separate enclaves. Try to get a new idea across, and it's though you have farted in church.

At a recent informal meeting of Get Up, when I suggested networking, as part of a national group, it was also rejected.

Please, let's make some real noise.

Thank you

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Marianne McMillan
September 11th, 2007

When I first moved to Switzerland in 197O the local council used to settle the dust on the road down to the lake by spraying with what we now know as Dioxin. In the first few years living there many members of the fishing club died of cancer. I avoided the area for many years even after they covered the road with a thick layer of crushed stone. I won't every go to Tassie again if they pollute the place with Dioxin, I survived one close shave, I won't rish another. Pity about the Tamar locals.

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martin cole
September 12th, 2007

Now is the time to start planning your holidays in Tasmania .This summer there will be thousands of people from all walks of life coming to protest the stupidity of the proposed mill and the death of democracy in TASMANIA AS THE STATE LURCHES OUT OF ITS STUPA OF APATHY .
Celebrate your holidays with convoys up the Tamar valley at an idealic pace in your vehicle.Visit local wineries and set camp up near the outflow ,a surf beach, it will become a beach party barbque all summer.Take time off to visit the Styx Valley and the Weld. Look forward to seeing you .
PARTY TILL THE MILL IS STOPPED

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September 12th, 2007

I am totally against any pulp mill going ahead in the Tamar Valley. I cannot for the life of me understand how we can put our beautiful Tasmanian forests and waterways on the line like this and allow a company like Gunns to have so much power to do what they like. Come on Australians, stand up for the natural beauty of Tasmania and stop this pulpmill in this gorgeous part of the world.

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rosalind byass
September 12th, 2007

I cannot understand the argument that chipping is a good thing for workers. So few jobs are generated by the industry. Tasmania is potentially one of the most fabulous clean & green retreat from the horrors of the rest of the world. Please make many labor intensive environmentally sound initiatives to turn the Tasmanian State into a showplace for the world. Rosalind Byass

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carol bailey
September 13th, 2007

please all ask Mike Rann, Premier of South Australia
why he has waived the right to an Environmental Impact
Study on the proposed cellulose mill in the S/East of
SA and where he stands on the Tassie Pulp Mill.

He must also be made to realise that SA needs less
population, not more.
Over 80% of marine life found off SA is not found anywhere
else in the world (the same cannot be said for the Barrier
Reef). The SA seagrass plains are 80% gone and scientists
are battling to rejuvenate what's left. The desalination
plant Rann is planning would spell the end, since the
shallow, fragile Gulf water system is totally unsuitable
for dispersing the enormous amount of salt (2 litres of
highly saline brine for every 1 litre of water). Any
plant needs to be placed where big southerly 'boomers'
can disperse it without risk to marine systems.

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Kathy Baratta
September 13th, 2007

Dear Get Up
I am a little annoyed that ever since I signed the APEC petition at http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/APEC on 5/09/07 I have been receiving unsolicited emails from similar groups as yourself. The first one sent on 06/09/07 from Ben Wikler -Avaaz.org (avaaz@avaaz.org) titled "Climate deal in danger". The second unsolicited email I received was on 12/09/07 from Ricken Patel-Avaaz.org titled "Darfur:appeasement or justice?" and the third one came yesterday also 12/09/07 from Paul Hilder, Avaaz.org titled "SOS Iraq". I have put a block sender on these email addresses but they keep changing the name so they keep coming through. I have subscribed to your emails as I want to be involved and believe in your commitment but I DO NOT want my email address to be passed on to a third party and to be receiving unsolicited emails. Can someone please get back to me with an answer to this problem within a couple of days.
thanks

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Ed Coper
September 14th, 2007

To the person who left the previous comment, because the APEC photo map was a joint effort, GetUp's and Avaaz's databases interacted with each other. A computer error caused a small number of GetUp members to receive an Avaaz email. The glitch has now been corrected, and these members won't receive any more Avaaz emails. No information about these individuals whatsoever has been retained --their privacy is secure.
We apologise sincerely.

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September 14th, 2007

I am very glad you have achieved such good response. Gunns proposed mill is an outrage. Careful, selective use of beautiful timbers could be a much better income earner.

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Phillip Quirk
September 16th, 2007

Proposed Minister Title

For a member of parliament eg a Minister who is not fulfilling their respective representative role competently or honestly - ie representing the community's best interests in both the short term and long term when making decisions, should then be referred to as the Anti-Minister for....
For example the Anti-minister for the Environment or the Anti Minister for Health.

The term should not be used lightly so as not to diminish the significance of the title but rather, should be used when a Minister or member acts contemptibly or incompetently on a significant issue. eg if establishing controls to reduce the likelihood of obesity was an issue or if the decision to establish a transparent and thorough review of environmental considerations was an issue.

The term should be used at all times when when referring to the Minister eg letters, protests banners, letters to the editor and all press conferences held be the minister.

Every quarter a summary would be published on the current title holders and reasons why and those who had lost there title for correcting their behaviour. The summary would be used to get publicly for Getup and Minister's performance.
The summary should be a respected summary due it's structure and number of people it represents.

In addition a report card for each minister could be issued on their respective performance outlining best positive and worst performances, issues at hand.

The report card would be used to re-focus members and the public on key campaigns.

The determination to grant such a title could be made by vote - eg get enough votes so a title is granted.

The Minister would be told why they have been so-named and how it would be removed.

eg when the minister starts to act responsibly to address both the best interests in both the long and short terms in such and such a term in a particular.

Could one do this without being held for defamation?

'Keep the bastards honest' is what my granddad always said.

Regards,
PQ

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Leona Simmons
September 17th, 2007

The price - more degredation of our irreplaceable environment.
Stop the pulp mill now.

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September 17th, 2007

I agree with Mal Anderson we should be networking and either setting up a political alternative or lets take over the green party and get things happening.

It's all well and good huffing & Puffing making a bit of noise and laying on some political pressure when needed but what is needed is a voice, a voice in parliament which is direct from the populace not some profit driven political entity which has become arrogant to the point where the arrogance has filtered down through the civil service to a point where our so called political leaders are only interested in giving us the time of day when votes are needs as per the $3 each vote is worth to any particular party.

At a touch under 200,000 members Get-Up has enough people to make a real change.
Change takes commitment, vision and will, we have seen the will as so many have joined Getup now let us put the vision and commitment to a sustainable future in place so our children and grandchildren do not get to inherit a noisy overcrowded polluted radioactive for the next 250 thousand years continent.
We should be at the front when it comes to this planet on renewable energy yet the Germans and Danes leave us for dead .
We still have not got a bill of human rights, we still have the vested interests of non renewable energy gnawing away at what natural environment we have left. Denuding Tasmania of old growth Forrest is still preferable to growing industrial hemp for making paper, rope, fabric and so much more.
We are slaves to mindless American drug rhetoric but the natural acquiescence of the public is truly a national enemy which must be fought, slaughtered & laid to rest so we can move on
in to the remainder of the 21st century with our heads held high. Not cowering to large corporations or the Americans.

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September 17th, 2007

Think of the old growth Forrest like this:

It takes two thousand years to grow, a day to destroy a hectare
20 minutes to pulp it.


So in twenty years when the environment is destroyed and the jobs lost how long will it take to rebuild the environment.

Easter island used to be green lush and forested. Look at it now. We can learn from history or perish.

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Bill Realph
September 20th, 2007

Gunns like most industries have distroyed enough, about time we woke up. We are the people we do hold the power to stop this and all corrupt governments within all countries by the majorityvotesys.tripod.com Bill Realph.

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Dave Groves
September 20th, 2007

Sacrificial Zone circa 2007


The Tamar Valley is a unique and beautiful part of our planet.
A jewel in the north of Tasmania, the valley is divided by a meandering estuary that runs some 70 kilometres from Launceston, flowing past countless vineyards and orchards, farms and friendly country towns to find its way to the mouth at Low Head where its tidal waters flow over some of the best coral formations in the world.

Along both sides of the valley are investments that attract residents and tourists alike.
Fresh produce such as apples, strawberries, cherries and blueberries are grown here, wines and spirits are grown and distilled, wildlife displays are readily accessible, and the valley harbours a multitude of historic sites to enthral the history buffs.
Many boat ramps and pontoons give the public an easy way to enjoy the estuary from another perspective.
Fishing is a popular pastime as are sailing and waterskiing.

At any time of the year, this beautiful valley is a vibrant and happy place to live and work, to create and to achieve.

Now, a dark cloud grows ominously over the valley and those who call this place home.
“Down the river”, “The Valley” and “the Tamar” once described where we live, but now it is colloquially known as “The Sacrificial Zone”.

The reason for the name change is the spectre of what is touted by some as the biggest pulp mill in the world.
It is to be the crowning glory for a company with the dubious reputation as Australia’s biggest wood chipper, on an island, on a planet with now rapidly diminishing cool temperate rainforests that embrace the largest living plants on earth.

In a world increasingly suffering from the effects of climate change, the rampant stripping of land to feed the world’s addiction to paper is akin to emptying the ocean of fish to make fertiliser.

To be built on the eastern shore of the estuary at Long Reach some 8 kilometres from Bell Bay, opposite an Atlantic Salmon farm and rural residents, this pulp mill will chew through around 4 million tonnes of Tasmanian forest annually. The vast majority of this will be native forest, clear felled in a ruthless and industrial mining process by massive machines.

This process causes siltation, erosion and land degradation, loss of habitat and species destruction.
In an extremely wasteful process, all the trees are removed, whatever is not required for the chippers is dozed into massive piles and while still fresh all manner of rare species is vaporised using diesel gel or napalm launched from helicopters.
The resultant fires are cataclysmic in size and volume.
Thick palls of asthma inducing smoke fill Tasmania’s otherwise clear autumn skies, reducing what is touted as the cleanest air in the world to a fog like murkiness that is clearly visible from space.

Around half a million tonnes of green timber will be fed each year to the furnaces that will drive this massive factory set on a block of land the size of Gibraltar.
This is around the equivalent quantity that would be used by 70,000 domestic wood heaters or heat Launceston each year.

This presents an unwarranted strain on an air shed that is prone to temperature inversions that give rise to some of the worst air quality in the world.
This poor air quality has been confirmed by the government as being directly responsible for many deaths each year.

Countless millions of taxpayer dollars have been spent to promote and encourage this private development, this project that is set to irrevocably degrade our fresh air and our quality of life.

Worse is yet to come from this project however.
Hydrogen Sulphide and Methyl Mercaptan, two chemicals that this project will produce, are allowed to be poured into the air unbridled.
Smelling like rotten eggs and boiled cabbage, the stench from this project will fill the valley.
Neither the owner of this project, the government, nor any politician or scientist will refute this fact.

64,000 tonnes daily of once potable water will be mixed with at least one hundred different chemicals and dumped relentlessly into Bass Strait for at least the next 50 years.
What this will do to our ocean no one really knows, but 64,000 tonnes of waste dumped daily into a pristine environment is a significant blow to the ecology of our planet.

This comes at a time when parts of the north of the state have been drought declared and desperate people are seeking Federal Government assistance to ease their plight.
The Great Lake, an iconic destination for tourists and perhaps the best known lake in Tasmania, is nearly 18 metres below full height.

Like a procession of ants marching along a trail to the nest, heavily laden log trucks bursting with their cargo of forest make their way along rapidly degrading roads to the chippers at Long Reach.
Taxpayer’s money is being spent to hold these roads together so these massive vehicles can carry their plunder quickly to the forest abattoir.
Huge trees are split by machines with giant pincers to give the illusion that the trees are just rubbish that needs to be disposed of.
Trucks are often covered in mud, sand and forest debris, and unwittingly spray other road users randomly as these juggernauts hurtle toward their destination.
Many capsize on their journey, often involving bystanders in their carnage.
This is an industry that is paid by the tonne, so the pressure on operators is intense.

The picture of the “Sacrificial Zone” is almost complete.

Once in my opinion, the most desirable place to live in the world, The Tamar Estuary has become my daily nightmare.
Personal reasons have forced the sale of our property, but this impending disaster has frozen the sale of our home.
Despite assurances from the owner of the project that this mill will actually increase property values and improve air quality, glowing reports from all the politicians and vested interests, no one is buying in the “Sacrificial Zone”.

What was once my paradise, my home and my future has become my shackle, a bludgeon to the back of my head.
My financial security, my whole way of life has changed forever.
I once aspired to be a self funded retiree, to contribute to our community financially, now hoping that I can walk away from this terrorist attack on my life with only minor cuts and slight bruising.
I have learned much from my time living and working in the Sacrificial Zone, met many amazing friends who concur with my sentiments, doctors, pilots, scientists, agriculturalists, artists, project managers and even old barrow boys like me.

We all chose to live in this remarkable state, this awesome valley.
Now, disenfranchised, ignored and repressed, we survive to provide consolation and support to each other through these difficult and frustrating times. We live in hope, but expect that the evil vortex of greed and irrationality will annihilate the beauty and charm of the Tamar Estuary and take with it to the murky depths many good people, their livelihoods and all that is right and true.


















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Fran Lee
September 22nd, 2007

It is incredible that this project can even be considered in this day and age of no water/environmental concerns/global warming - what is so appalling is the lack of clarity about the whole project and the complicity of the Tasmanian Govt - a labor govt to boot - not to mention the Federal Govt

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Duncan Sharpe
September 23rd, 2007

Mal Anderson your comments of becoming a connected force, a political party are important and valid, especially in order to effect any kind of change in this current political system.
But there is no evidence that once a party has been formed that it will not become another party worried about its own survival and full of ministers worried about their own
careers and income. I believe people are aware that this is a first order change and is more of the same. A second order change seems to be what people are crying out for, if not unknowingly- sub-consciously.

Second order change - getting off the game board.

Neo-classical economics is the name of our money system and it is the reason for most,(if not all), social ills. To name some that are a result of putting human beings in such a system - crime, corruption, hidden agendas of political parties and of corporations, pollution and putting the environment second, compassion to fellow mankind second, control of populations, mind numbing through entertainment/advertising, comparison to others and competition with the next-door neighbour, the work colleague, the other state, the other country.

THE MOTIVATION TO MAKE MONEY IS PRECEDENT OVER ANYTHING ELSE
And we cant argue that the motivation is the problem, we all need to eat!, so therefore it can be argued that it is the exchange system itself.

Income...."everybody has a price", "you cant stop progress (someone having money as their highest motivation)", "I'm just trying to earn a living" and other common sayings all revolve around a bigger issue that restrict human freedoms.

If any of us want to see change, real change then we need to be talking about the current exchange system. One that was invented. Thought up. Yes it is a human construct not some godly divine creation.

One Australian has written a book on such an idea and he believes that an energy exchange system is possible, using solar energy.

We need to come together and be united, but as long as the money system forces us to be separate economic entities, we will not. And with this we are scattered arguing points for this or for that, like we need permission from the master, while the people who are in power and have control dismiss our disorganised voice.

So I (one person) plead with you the reader. Next time you have a problem or reason to speak up - recognize where it comes from- view it from a larger perspective, view it from within an economic system that demands that your problem exists.

If we can argue one clear point, then we can change society and I believe arguing for a new exchange system is the most important for within this argument is the argument for freedom, rights, fairness, the environment, quality of life for everyone, and many more.

P.S. Sometimes you need to be outside the box to know you were in one, so I strongly recommend reading a simple short book called Cosmic Accounting. Thank you.

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Bob Raseta
September 24th, 2007

Gunns are behaving more like the "mafia" than a reputable company. How about financing education to retrain workers for jobs in tourism or similar and giving back somthing worthwhile to Tasmania instead of just taking more and more.We cut down our old trees and sell pulp to China and Japan, while they protect their own for the future, how dumb do we look to them.

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Volker Pfannenberg
September 24th, 2007

As soon as Mr Lennon caused the sudden death of the EIS the project should have been terminated. Everything what came thereafter was a farce.
No scientist will be able to calculate the amount of dioxins and furans poured into the ocean with billions of litres of effluent.
The mill is too big and too dangerous for everybody except for Gunns and its shareholders.

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Duncan Sharpe
September 26th, 2007

To expand on my last blog on the 23th sept and to tie its importance to the Tamar Estuary issue.

Within an energy exchange system the energy that has gone into creating a product is calculated and is then the amount it costs. Trees that have grown for over decades become a very expensive product. So expensive that wood chipping them would be ridiculous.

I have spent most of my life wanting to stop the constant exploitation of natural resources and have rarely seen any company or government stop just on the basis of the environment or public outcry anywhere, world-wide.

We need to ask why. Why people,companies,corporations and governments are unable to stop environmental degradation. What is their motivation.....? Money, of course and without money we couldn't....live(the believe held and reinforced).

So i argue if we want to change, if we want to keep our old growth forests, our beautiful beaches, our unpolluted oceans and every living thing that we haven't wiped out just now, then we need to take a new tact.We need to accept that others have spent great energy and their lives even, fighting with great passion for the environment and eventually we need to accept that the Green Movement has failed in having the impact it needed to have for many a living thing.
And we need to ask why. Why has many protests been acknowledged only to have the bulldozers still sent in and to hear the same useless out of our control rhetoric from companies and governments. Money.

If we change our monetary exchange system to an energy based system we have hope of curing the motivation behind environmental degradation and exploitation. It can be done and many people world-wide are thinking up new ways of exchange.

People are not evil and neither are corporations or governments and neither is the money system. Its just out of date and we need to evolve as human beings out of the confines that have got us this far. The planet is asking us to evolve now. Join the argument to demand a new exchange system.

Thank you for reading.

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Geoffrey Heard
September 27th, 2007

Whatever else the mill does in terms of being clean and green, it falls over on the simple, incontrovertible fact that it is to be built on a foundation of old growth forest clear felling into the foreseeable future (i.e. about 50 years). It is clear that once a mill this size is built, it will DRIVE the continued clearfelling of old growth forest until there is none left. Further, Tasmania/Australia will have to subsidise the mill -- probably PAY the company to take the trees instead of receiving the laughably small royalty which now exists -- to keep it running at capacity as the market for its product collapses with global warming putting constraints on consumption. Such a mill will not easily scale down production.

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Dianne D'Alpoim Guedes
September 28th, 2007

What have we done as members of Get UP !! to affect the decision of Minister Turnbull on the future of the Tamar Valley and the forests of Tasmania?
Our inertia is going to kill us.....if we don't take a stand somewhere. This is not Burma.......or is it? .We are staring down the barrels of the Gunns.

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Annette Macgown
September 29th, 2007

How can it be possible!! to have the largest mill in the world built on one of the smallest island states in the world.

It doesn't make sense Mr Turnball. Remember....Your seat in Wentworth is hanging by the seat of it's pants and if you make the wrong decision, it will be gone.....just like that!! There is too much at stake here, too many people opposing the state gunnerment's proposed pulp mill.
If you make the right decision for the environment and the people of Tasmania.....then you will get my vote

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Rosalind Enston
September 30th, 2007

I'm so sick of people thinking that they have a right to a job whether or not it screws the environment when the rest of us must compete for our jobs alone, not supported by big corporation money.

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Pauline Davoren
October 3rd, 2007

Your commentEven at this late stage I would urge you to deny approval for Gunn's Pulp Mill. There can be no reason to destroy any further the green credentials of Tasmania.As things stand Tasi has environmentally sound tourist , agricultural & seafood products to sell. Why destroy that for the benefit of one company. The health of all of Tasmania is worth more than that surely.

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Duncan Sharpe
October 3rd, 2007

Why can't we have a trust created like the one in Alaska where Alaskans get a paid a divided(US$1000-$2000)from the use of the land by oil companies every year!

We could have the federal or the state governments buy the land (if they don't already own it) in Tas and allow loggers to continue logging under a specification that the forests are logged sustainably. A trust could be a privately run business in itself or be publicly owned and then they would become the safe keepers of the forests for generations to come. Everyone in Tas gets a dividend from the use of the forests timber and this would insure it remains into the future and its sustainability.

(Why can't we have one from the mining industry also, come to think of it. BHP only made 17 billion last year from Australia citizens land. Thats almost a million for each person! Why can't we have at least a small percentage of that each. -Inflation isn't necessarily only created primary from access to actual real money. Banks creating money (and profit) through the creation of credit have impact on inflation also. But I guess governments focus on individual expenditure because they can control that and can not control banking corporations).

The Tasmanian forests have a social, environmental and cultural significance and value that remains unrecognised by the law. We all need to acknowledge and recognise this undervaluation and choose to change the laws. Authour Peter Barnes calls this a social bottom line, as mentioned in his book 'Capitalism 3.0'.

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Russell
October 3rd, 2007

Please, anyone interested in seeing justice done and wishing an end to corruption in Tasmania (and maybe set an example for other Australian governments), visit www.blackwoodpetition.com.

Please download the petition, sign and return it ASAP to the address provided in order to have Impeachment proceedings brought on against the Tasmanian Premier Paul Lennon by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II for giving a corporation priveleges over and above which no other corporation, individual, nor the environment is afforded.

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Kamila
October 4th, 2007

So the pulp mill was given the green light today... I have just mailed off my electoral enrolment form so on election day I can express exactly how I feel about this terrible decision.

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marea Howe
October 4th, 2007

What is Get Up going to do about Turnbull's decision? Is there anything we can do? While I thought it would happen one way or wnother, there must be something that can be done to stop this crass act of social and environmental idiocy. Any dioxin into Bass Strair is too much and there should simply be no more logging of old growth forests. It's all very well to say that the Chief Scientist said it's ok and therefore it must be but the Chief Scientist has not looked at the overall real world implications of this monstrous development. When we are in real danger of frying or dessicating within the next 50 years, it beggars belief that such development, which will benefit nobody but the developer, is allowed. Please, please let's get to the next step in the campaign against.

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Wendy Logan
October 5th, 2007

We need an assessment of all the areas that Geoffrey Cousins listed in the Age this morning before the mill can go ahead. Jim Peacock was only permitted to investigate some areas of concern. The Opposition should be lobbied to have these studies undertaken before echoing support.

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Zena Carusi-Lees
October 5th, 2007

I am absolutely appalled, not by the Federal government, as that was never going to be anything more than a matter of ratifying Gunn's proposal, but of the Labor Party both State and, in particular, Federally! Peter Garret must have lost something in translation to have allowed so much environmental ground to have been given up in exchange for a heightened chance at government. Sure the conservative card is proving useful at this election but the fundamental philosophy and practice have to stand for something. I understand and accept the principle of give and take and support that rationale as part of the Party's game plan - but too much...too far...too alienating!!
Just like the Franklin, the people won't cop this one!! I intend to do as much as I can to make a stand and will encourage others to do so...middle Austarlia will win this one! United we stand...
Zena

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Shona Howarth
October 5th, 2007

I have to leave a second message - I have read through previous blogs and have become more outraged by the minute. Somebody PLEASE tell me that Peter Garret is in a headlock somewhere being forced to read all these messages. His career is "over before it's begun" if he doesn't find a way to prove he is still the protector of the environment we all hoped he would be! Damn!

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Chris Beechey
October 6th, 2007

Who recalls the attempt by one Edmund Rouse and his gang members to bribe a Tasmanian Politician in order to further his "forest interests"? Who were his associates and how many are still on the board of Gunns.
The wheel has turned full circle, the Politician and his party (so called Labor) are fullfilling (Rouse's) his wishes from the grave.
When will it be disclosed the amounts that Gunns has contributed to the Labor and Liberal parties?
When will there be enough pressure from the likes of GET UP to run a campaign to force the Tasmanian Parliament to introduce a corruption and crime commission to stop the blatant corporate influence on our parliament and to keep our representatives free from undue influence?
What amounts of subsidies have so far been offered and given to Gunns for their benefit from the State and Federal Governments (the Taxpayer again) and how much of that money has found its way back to the aforementioned parties as donations and as a tax deduction?
How many roads, eco systems, motorists and the public will DIE FROM THIS OBSCENE DECISION by the Environment Minister and his SHADOW only to be seen in the dark and at Midnight?
How can a HEAD scientist conclude that there will be no footprint from this proposed mill, he can come to Tasmania every Autumn and see the "non carbon" emmitting plumes of smoke from the old growth forests as the 40 percent of the timber left from each tree is burnt destroying the eco system, polluting the rivers and eroding the very thin top soil of old growth forests.
But I think that the "head scientist" is like Keven Andrews and Pauline Ruddock advocating Howard's line that we will be "swamped with Asians, now Sudanese etc.He was placed there, like the majority of Jeanette's, oops John's ministers to achieve an outcome! Christopher Pyne Minister for ageing he along with Kevin will keep the old alive till they die keep the youth in Asia not here?
I believe Malcolm was put there to destroy the forests and aided and abbetted by ABETZ (Minister for Forests) more old growth was unlocked since the last election , but perhaps they were trees without cores!
Its been a long time but lets hope that it will be soon seen off along with its member.
Vote for anyone opposing this mill, true Tasmanians will be grateful.

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Merilyn Howorth
October 6th, 2007

Do not build the mill. The courage to say NO will be an Australian landmark in environmental, health and climate change decisions. Surely to stand fast against the mill will do more for Australia in the fight for these three- the environment, the long term health of our people and our unborn generations and against climate change-than all the hot air spouted at APEC and in Canberra over recent years. Think about 'small (being)beautiful' rather than development at any price.

Kevin Rudd should not be standing behind Malcolm Turnball, the Liberals and Gunns on this issue. Think again Kevin.

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Charles Morgan
October 6th, 2007

My heart sank when I heard the news. Of course, I was expecting it.

As a resident of Tasmania, I am appalled that big business can again flex its muscles and win the day on behalf of its share holders, despite the fact that the great majority of people in the Tamar Valley oppose the Mill. First Nations people in North America base their decisions on the impact the they will have on people seven generations further on into the future. Clearly, our politicians lack this wisdom. Heads will roll at the upcoming election. The fight has just begun.

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Richard Ure
October 6th, 2007

When it comes to dealing with their indigenous forebears and pillaging their landscape, Tasmanians of the 19th century have form: The Age describes Queenstown: http://tinyurl.com/yuhzm9. And the rest of Australia didn't care much.

As we move into the 21st century have they learnt anything? Can the rest of us afford to stand by while the politicians sell their souls for a seat?

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kevin james
October 6th, 2007

Going by Peter Garret's comments, our politician's are just puppets..nothing more...so who is pulling the strings?

This mill will require financing of 4 to 5 banks to get off the ground..which bank in its right mind would finance a hot potato like this..
I'll be surprised if it gets built.

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lyn kennedy
October 7th, 2007

The thing that makes me maddest in all of this is the outright dishonesty of all the arguments being made in favour of this mill. Sure Tassie needs new industries and new jobs, but what makes them think that logging is the only way they can achieve this end. To use 'value adding' as their catchcry is a nonsense. The value they are adding is simply to their bottom line - they can export more trees faster and cheaper if they turn wood chips into pulp. If Tasmanians (or their government anyway) are really so stupid that they can't think of less destructive ways to make a buck then perhaps there is something in those awful old rumours about in-breeding in our southernmost state. At the very least, if all they know how to do is cut down trees, at least let them only be licensed to add some real value to the product. Chips into pulp is right at the bottom of the value chain for wood products. It may be easy but is not clever and it is not good for anyone's health.



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sue hallett
October 8th, 2007

Sung to 16 bar blues- with no disrespect to the people of Tassie-
I went down south to see what they had to share,
They said "no we don't want no mainlanders here
'less you got money
We want your money honey here in our hands"
They'd damn the rivers and they knock down the trees
There's no more tigers, devils all got disease
They shot the blacks or drove them in to the sea
Oh no

And were they friendly?They think that we're no match
They think that's ok they're protecting their patch
Uh uh uh uh uh
They need us just to keep it that way
Like all the good things that I saw on the way
Oh like that walk I took down to Wineglass Bay
And down to Recherche where they killed all the whales
Oh no

The politicians they take more than their share
It makes me wonder now do they really care?
Uh uh uh uh uh
But they don't need to do it that way
But it's not all bad there's some good people there
Like Mr Brown who says "now this just ain't fair"
And all those greenies they got flow'rs in their hair
Oh yeh

Now there's this pulp mill what the f... are they doin
I can't believe that they would risk so much ruin
And just for money?
I just can't think what there is to say
Why don't they put that thing on some inland lake?
Kill all the trout then there would be no mistake
YOU CAN'T EAT MONEY UH UH UH UH UH UH
OH OH

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danielle ecuyer
October 10th, 2007

I am currently touring the Tamar Valley and intend to bring the real story back to Wentworth and the mainland.
This is one of the most beautiful and UNINDUSTRIAL places I have ever seen. 100,000 people live in the Tamar Valley and many are at risk of loosing their livelihoods. The mainstay of this valley is tourism through the amazing food and wine industries. This mill has the potential to kill all this off. Unsustainable and high emission projects like the pulp mill, can not be allowed to go ahead. How can we move to a carbonless society with rampant deforestation of high conservation value forests taking place in our own back yard?
Please send you name, place of residence and whether you are an ANZ customer to dani@wfca.org.au, as part of the Sign the Letter Campaign to ANZ CEO Mike Smith.
This project is a Climate Change disaster.
Danielle Ecuyer
www.wfca.org.au

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Kim Taylor
October 11th, 2007

Gunns' shareholders include the Commonwealth Bank, AMP, Concord Capital, Deutsche Bank and Perpetual.

Visit their web-sites, read their Social Responsibility Declaration if they have one and tell them you want them to stop investing in Gunns.

Tell them why you want this action taken and outline the actions you are prepared to take should they continue to support this environmentally destructive company. E.g. Close accounts.

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Gordon Craven
November 6th, 2007

For more on Malcolm Turnbull's Pulp Mill lies see www.Sydney-Law.com

Unless you somehow reckon Malcolm Turnbull hasn't lied when he stated what he did as set out at Sydney-Law.com in light of how the High Court views similar conduct, I ask the question;
Would a complaint to the Federal Police be appropriate for a contravention of:
Section 142.2 of THE COMMONWEALTH CRIMINAL CODE ACT 1995 (Abuse of public office)
(1) A Commonwealth public official is guilty of an offence if:
(a) the official:
(i) exercises any influence that the official has in the official’s capacity as a Commonwealth public official; or
(ii) engages in any conduct in the exercise of the official’s duties as a Commonwealth public official; or
(iii) uses any information that the official has obtained in the official’s capacity as a Commonwealth public official; and
(b) the official does so with the INTENTION of:
(i) dishonestly obtaining a benefit for himself or herself or for another person; or
(ii) dishonestly causing a detriment to another person.
Penalty: Imprisonment for 5 years.

A benefit would be, in being re-elected. A detriment would be, to other candidates in the election.

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Linda Shooting Staar
December 14th, 2007

Mr Rudd, you have ratified the kyoto protocols which is a necessary step in the right direction.

Now you must reverse your decision and not allow the destruction of the ancient forests of Tasmania. If you do deny approval to the proposed Gunns pulp mill in the Tamar Valley, we will know that you are really committed to the a non- pollution, wise long term vision for our environment. One which will nurture and sustain life for generations to come.

If you do allow the proposed Gunns pulp mill to destroy those beautiful old wise trees that provide clean pure air for your bodies, then Kevin Rudd we will know that you are a charlatan. And the people won't stand for it.

We have brought down one Federal Government - we will bring down another.

Do the right thing Mr Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull. The world is watching you very closely over this issue.

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Tomm
January 17th, 2008

Malcom is gone. Let us now bring down Peter if he won't stnad up for what we knwo he believes in! peter, you too can't eat your money! Your bed will burn!

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Helen F
March 4th, 2008

The Rudd government has already become cocky and thinks it can hoodwink the Australian public with platitudes about the environment.
Sorry Kevin - we are not stupid - we know that there is not much time to start to undo the damage to our environment and slow the effects of climate change.
Do you want to go down in history Kevin as just one more liar who can be bought, or do you want to be seen as a visionary with ability?

Leave old growth forests where they should be - in the ground

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Narelle T
March 4th, 2008

Your comment After decades of losing faith in our politicians, political system and economical manipulations, I finally thought there was the only glimmer of hope for our country with Peter Garrett coming forth. But alas, to great disappointment, it seems I could be wrong. My children and my children's children will have to endure a yet increasingly choking and starving planet......what an inheritance!!! =(

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raz
March 8th, 2008

thier is only one way to stop guns and that is to kill him and others who proceed him. they killing off the earth and life now and in the future. Death is the last resort but even Krishna (no I'm not religious) knew that killing has its time and place. The battlefield is life or death. What is a few evil gone next to the beauty of life that could be saved. If you view earth from Satelite imagery you see that the earth is turning brown. It is an infection of a parasite. Human parasite which is cutting the trees, which provide life force and water to this rare and only one planet we know exists in such form. Gunns is evil and of the worst specimen of the species. He must be eliminated.
someone kill him pls.

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tess collins
March 9th, 2008

This is a last bid opportunity to prove Tasmania's trees are better left in the ground

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DENI LANGMAN
April 3rd, 2008

It is time the Government and especially the Environment Minister, Mr. Peter Garrett, to realise that felling our trees in any state for corprate gains, is a disaster to our emvoronment.
If the Federal Environment Minister, Mr. Peter Garrett, doesn't stop the Gunn's Pulp Mill , NOW, then the people say," he will find himself out of a job".
Mr. Garrett, you have kept quiet on the issue of whale slaughtering by the Japanese, you have kept quiet on Climate Change and you have kept quiet on this disasterouse Pulp Mill.....what good are you as Environment Minister? I think you should resign and let a more capable person do the job correctly.
A minister has to protect his ministery, not destroy it for the Corporate machines.
This Pulp Mill will destroy our Environment, not improve it.
The Tasmanian Forest is an essential part of the Evironment and the habitat to many animals, including "endagered species" and birds, bats, bees and insects that are important to nature's system of balance.
Mr. Rudd you have begun so well in my eyes, but this decission is not right and Australia will suffer because of it. Nature must be protected and cared for and she will give you more than money, she will give you life.
DENI.

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Jennifer Jordan
July 17th, 2008

I grew up in tasmania and he environment there is in desperate need of protection today / now! I have video evidence of dead animals - animals dead from drinking from creeks full of the toxic run off from the forest / plantations that gunns is so rapidly creating. Gunns do not have any conscience in relation to what they are doing and John Gay and his cronies are clearly in cahoots with the Tasmanian Government for them to be avoiding any flack over their practices.

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clancetteclift
October 13th, 2008

For an utside-the-square approach to the problem of curing locals from endorsing the pulp mills in Tasmania, read on...

one reason why the locals are so much in favour of having a pulp mill here in Tas is that it may provide a place of emplyment for them. Therefore, it is important to keep this in mind, and to take some action to help fill this need.

If enough of us got together, perhaps we could inspire the creation of a business endeavour here in Tasmania, that would

a.Provide a similar number of jobs for Tasmanians.
b.Make an absolute fortune for its Company Directors.

Lets put on our Corporate Thinking Caps,
and see what comes up.

I have a few ideas if you'd like to hear them.
Tassie is very beautiful, but past governments have wanted to keep the locals firmly based in their parochial mind-sets, by forcing the use of private vehicles for all transport needs. This they have achieved very simply by not building any public transport infrastructure.

This move allowed Tasmanians the rare priviledge of being kept in the dark and fed on bullshit,m and of being made available for cheap labour for anyone able to employ another human being.

Tasmanians are now well aware of the past deficiencies in their Education, Medical and Transport Systems, and are keen to address these ASAP.

Why does not some rich Entrpreneur come down here, spend a few million setting up a huge public transport system, and down the track hes/her heirs shall surely inherit a fortune when it is finally sold to a future visionary Tasmanian Government.

Meanwhile, any large company on the mainland could come down here and set up huge premises for his/her business at comparitevely low cost, and be ten jumps ahead of the rest of the world when the current financial slump lifts.

If a suitable public transport system were solidly in place the unemployed in Tassie could well become employed, as they would then have access to places where work is available.

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