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Posted on the campaign blog , October 4th, 2007
Yesterday the Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull announced government approval for the Tamar Valley pulp mill. GetUp has been campaigning on this issue with over 25,000 members voicing their opposition to the mill. In keeping with the contentious debate over the mill, GetUp has invited the Minister and Shadow Minister Peter Garrett to blog directly to the public. They are joined by Greens Senator for Tasmania Christine Milne, and Tamar Valley resident Judith King. We invite you to engage with them in the comments section.


Malcolm Turnbull - Minister for the Environment and Water Resources
Federal Member for Wentworth


I have imposed the world's toughest environmental conditions on the proposed pulp mill in Tasmania's Tamar Valley, including independent scientific and environmental monitoring.


I have accepted the independent, scientific advice of the Chief Scientist and his panel of scientific experts and have released his report, together with my decision today.


In the draft recommendations of my Department released in August, 24 conditions were imposed on the proposed pulp mill. In response to Dr Peacock's advice, the number of conditions has now been doubled to 48.


Dr Peacock and his panel have reviewed my decision and conditions and have confirmed they reflect the recommendations of the Chief Scientists report. My decision also takes account of advice from my Department and over 36,000 public submissions received through the three consultation periods over the five month assessment period since April this year.


I would also like to thank the many individuals and organisations who provided valuable input through the public comment periods during the Australian Government assessment process.


My decision has been made consistent with my obligations under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999.


Further information regarding the decision is publicly available here and here.



Peter Garrett MP - Shadow Environment Minister
Federal Member for Kingsford Smith



Dear GetUp members,

Thanks, as always for your passionate interest in this issue.


Federal Labor's always supported a world class mill for Tasmania - one that achieves best practice environmental outcomes and reduces woodchip exports in favour of value-adding.


But up until now we've had a shambolic process. The original assessment process Mr Turnbull put in place was completely inadequate and that's caused a lot of anxiety around the country.


Let me be really clear that Labor and I recognise there are high levels of concern about the environment in this area and we also recognise that we need to add value to our forest estate. Making that balance work is never easy.


The most important thing we can do now is ensure these extra conditions are properly and adequately scrutinised and make sure that the environment is protected, for example maximizing the use of plantation timber.


Precisely how these conditions are monitored and implemented will make a big difference to the environmental outcomes of this project. Of course the environmental impact of this mill is really important, and I would uphold these conditions vigorously if granted the privilege to serve in a Rudd Labor Govt.



Senator Christine Milne - The Greens
Senator for Tasmania



Dear Get Up members,

Thanks for the opportunity for me to respond to Malcolm Turnbull's decision to approve the Gunns pulp mill in my home of Tasmania.


This is an issue that has been close to my heart for twenty years. I first became involved in environmentalism and politics because I was so appalled by the proposal to build a pulp mill at Wesley Vale. Now it is happening again, and, once again, we must stop it.


In approving the pulp mill, Malcolm Turnbull has delivered what Gunns and the Prime Minister wanted, but he certainly hasnt taken it off the election agenda. Moreover, he has not saved his seat. But what he has done is put some pressure on Federal Labor, Peter Garrett and George Newhouse to say what they would do.


Mr Turnbull claimed today that this mill would be world's best practice. But how can a mill which will destroy 200,000ha of magnificent forest, 500 times whats being protected, be worlds best practice? How can a mill that pumps effluent, albeit less than it might, into a pristine environment be worlds best practice? How can a mill that adds 10 million tonnes of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere every year be worlds best practice?


I want to make this clear - this campaign is not over. The people of Tasmania do not want this pulp mill and will see this commonwealth decision as being politically expedient, not scientifically valid. They, and we, will continue to campaign to protect the clean, green and clever economy of the Tamar Valley in particular and Tasmania in general.


Please come and read a more detailed response, see a video I made earlier this year, and contribute to discussion on the pulp mill decision at the new Australian Greens blog.



Judith King - Tamar Valley resident



We need help to fight the mill in Tamar Valley. We are feeling desperate after being deserted by elected representatives in Tasmania and now Federally by Turnbull to allow Gunns to make a quick profit by raping our island.


The proposed mill is going to be spewing pollution at a massive rate and has been approved when the majority of Australians are very concerned about climate change and the environment. What's going on?


We live in the Tamar Valley and it has an airshed inversion problem that can cause fog and heavy smog for days on end. It is a well known problem with local council programs trying to get people to stop using woodheaters. AMA [Australian Medical Association] Tasmania has said that 6-8 people a year will die from respiratory illness from the industrial pollution from the mill...how can anyone then approve a mill that is going to kill people? It just doesn't make sense.


There will also be 750+ log trucks a day driving on roads where kids ride their bikes and horses. Diesel and noise pollution, our kids being hurt and a massive increase in road kill of our wildlife.


We only know 2 people pro the mill in our area. 100 of the 120 Hillwood residents signed a petition against the mill as they are frightened for their health and that of their children.


It is the wrong mill and is definitely in the wrong location. Something is very wrong in Tassie and we need the rest of Australia to please help us.


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Jason Martin
October 4th, 2007

How is the Tasmanian wedge-tailed eagle going to survive the destruction of its habitat? The effect on this bird species is just one of many negative impacts that the pulp mill will have on the local environment. There needs to be less concern about generating profits for industry in this country, and more focus on preserving the unique parts of Australia that are still left!

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Amber W
October 4th, 2007

malcolm turnbull doesnt seriously expect us to believe that the primary byproducts of a pulp mill are sunshine, lollipops and rainbows? does he?

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dinah randall
October 5th, 2007

I am ashamed of all the people, especially Malcolm Turnbull, who have submitted to capitalist pressure and approved the pulp mill. It's heartbreaking to see so little care for our world, our environment and our people.

I can't endorse any part of this -the goverment are not acting for me.

Watch out for your voters Malcolm

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Allen Wright
October 5th, 2007

Well! what a shambles, Not having read the conditions applied to the mill it is hard to comment about the mill proper. But I do feel right in commenting about the destruction of forests which will feed the mill. I read regularly about our politicians going on about forest destruction in other countries, in our country it seems that our forests are Ok to be pulped. Turnbull hiding behind the Chief Scientist, Garret hiding behind both. Thank goodness for Christine Milne

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Tim Hardy
October 5th, 2007

I cannot believe that Peter Garrett personally supports this development, given his passionate history of fighting to protect the environment. This is just another case of the Labor party mimicing Howard's policy announcements. It is all about gaining power. Hopefully when Garrett is the minister he will be able to be more true to what he believes in: the environment will be the winner if he does!

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Pat Jennings
October 5th, 2007

I looks like the Greens will get MY VOTE at the upcoming elections - GO BOB BROWN!!!!!!

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susan ferguson
October 5th, 2007

Your comment Government and Opposition are remarkably similar!

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October 5th, 2007

Gunns Ltd told the Tasmanian Government that the pulp mill approval process was unacceptable and our parliament simply legislated a new process which was acceptable.
No one could possibly believe that a federal minister will in future stand tell the then owner of a Tamar Valley Pulp Mill that it cannot operate.

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Brian Mier
October 5th, 2007

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I am sick of the bully boys like Paul Lennon, Tasmanian Premier, and his strange bedfellow, the Chairman of Gunns Timber, and Malcom "His Arrogance" Turnbull, and Peter "The Useless One" Garratt, and Johhn "The pompous Prick" Howard dictating that American-style 'profit at all costs' projects like the Tamar Valley Pulp Mill are more important than the health of Austraoian citizens and the health of the Australian continent.

I lived in Tasmania for 8 years, and I know the Tamar Valley area. I fully endorse the comments of Judith King, the local resident's blog above. I remember driving from my home in Ulverstone down into the Tamar Valley at Launceston, at times into a sea of smog. The Pulp Mill will extend this unhealthy layer of pollution further northwards up the Tamar Valley, as well as polluting both the Tamar Estuary and the surrounding sea in Bass Strait. It will jeopardise or kill both the seafood industry and the Tasmanian food, drink and food processing industries in the beautiful North East - industries for which I once worked.

Enough is enough.

Let's decide in this forthcoming election to shown ALL politicians that their perfornce and behaviour is just not good enough. Let's campaign to "VOTE YOUR SITTING MEMBER OUT by putting him/her last, AND PUT THE OTHER MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATE SECOND LAST." Only by causing a massive dumping of sitting members of all parties will we really get the message across that government is by the people and for the people, not by the elite and power hungry for their pockets and those of their big business and big union mates.

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LISA HANSEN
October 5th, 2007

I am so disappointed with the decision announced yesterday re: Pulp Mill. It just shows the true priorities of the the liberal and labor parties when it comes to the environment.

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Bronwyn Bain
October 5th, 2007

We continue to destroy the planet that feeds us, shelters us and allows us to blossom as humans.

We have to feel the heartbeats of the trees, because trees are living beings like us

David Suzuki observes:
We were made from the sacred elements that together compose the Earth. We are made from the Earth, we breathe it in with every breath we take, we drink it and eat it, and we share the same spark that animates the whole planet. Our stories tell us this, and so does our science.

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virginia maddock
October 5th, 2007

i am appalled but not surprised about malcolm turnbull's decision to approve the pulp mill in the tamar valley. it reflects the liberal government's continued self interest in money and not the wishes of the majority of australians, many of whom elected them, and the environment of which we base our lives and depend on so greatly.
i am however, surprised at the total lack of backbone and leadership shown by the labour party by not unequivocally opposing the pulp mill, and especially of peter garrett who i am sure would have shown a different stance before he joined labour.
i can only hope all australians will vote accordingly at the election and rid ourselves of the selfish and corrupt leadership of the 2 major parties. i hope that the greens can at least achieve the balance of power so that need comes before greed and the environment can become the real winner!

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Kevin V. Russell
October 5th, 2007

I don't know if it is the wrong mill in the wrong part of the country but if it is true that it will not be economic without access to native forests then it is a bad idea and should be scrapped.

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Lyn Beinat
October 5th, 2007

I'm as mad as hell. Our environment is being killed by greed and the psychopathic pursuit of money! It is clear that vested interests now drive the politican agenda in this country.

Well I'm a vested interest too!! I have a lot more at stake than a burgeoning bank balance and personal prestige. I have two beautiful children who deserve better; the opportunity to live their lives in a peaceful, sustainable world.

The 'cashing in' of all of our childrens' future can stop at the next election. Fossil fuel lobbied, wood chip lobbied politicians MUST be replaced. Anybody care to join me?

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Margaret Murphy
October 5th, 2007

I fully support the residents of Tamar Valley. Both Labor and Liberal Governments are being totally irresponsible about health issues. Whatever happened to the "precautionary principle". These residents will be exposed to more heavy vehicle freight on their roads as well as the massive pollution from vehicle emissions and the Gunns Pulp mill.
As a resident in the Coffs Harbour Region, I can relate to the feeling of absolute disgust for both sides of politics. We are about to get a motorway running through the middle of our growing urban communities - under the guise of saving lives. We could accept this if Coffs Harbour were by-passed - but all levels of Government refuse to look at a by-pass for Coffs Harbour and Northern Beaches. We will also be subject to noise and air pollution and suffer the mortality and health costs associated therewith. This is simpler for the Government, they are not as easily recognised as road deaths - even though deaths through pollution more than doubles road trauma.
Good Luck Tamar Valley - I will remember this when I vote!!

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Douglas Wilkie
October 5th, 2007

Why is the pulp mill needed? Some would argue 'to provide jobs' - but these jobs will be short-term. Will they still be there in 50 years, 100 years? Not likely. And in the meantime an environment that has taken thousands of years to establish has been destroyed... and will probably recover again only thousands of years after mankind has become extinct. Some would argue 'it's for the economy' - but our economy and the one that the pulp mill feeds is driven by greed, not need. Do we actually need what this mill will produce? The greed of current consumption would say so - but there is no way that current levels of greed cannot be sustained. We don't really need it. It's time we all looked at the big picture, the big future, instead of short term profit and short term selfish comfort.

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mark hope
October 5th, 2007

When we wake up to the fact that economic development isn't
the broad church we need to go and fulfill our spiritual, financial and emotional needs. Why? Because it's destructive. Then we'll make decisions that aren't political, aren't illusory, aren't economic, aren't based on fear but are courageous enough to go to the heart of the issue which is nature must be nurtured and not destroyed in this rampant way.

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Peter Nicholas
October 5th, 2007

The notion of pulping one extra branch of our national forest resources, plantation or otherwise,is anathama. No matter what conditions are laid upon Gunn's this Mill should not be allowed. Tasmanians don't want it. Australians don't want it. Politicians take heed. All should remember that in this period of climate change every tree is important. Timber products are not essential nice though may be, and needs can be can be satisfied by existing timber mills. Timber pulp products, particularly paper pulp, should be strictly used for domestic uses, not for export. Again, existing mills can satisfy this need.

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Marlene Ebejer
October 5th, 2007

How disappointing to see that the labor party still can differentiate itself from the liberal party. Even more disappointing is Peter Garrett, used to think he had sensible views about the environment!!
No to the pulp mill and further damage to our environment - why not look at alternatives.

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sara mitchell
October 5th, 2007

In looking for a new definition of insanity, the decision to approve the Gunns mill fits perfectly. People say that it will create more jobs and be good for Tasmania's economy. But what about the established and very healthy variety of industry in the Tamar Valley? Whats going to happen to their jobs? It doesnt make sense to destroy existing jobs to create new jobs. This is a politically motivated decision and all about profit before people and the environment. We have the power. Remember, the politicians SERVE US! lets make them hear that, loud and clear on election day.

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Kathleen Brown
October 5th, 2007

Peter Garrett I am ashamed of you and the Labour Party which I have always supported, in this matter. As someone else said, a bit of intestinal fortitude from the opposition would do a lot of good. I want Labor elected but I hope Bass votes against them. a bit of lateral thinking on the matter would help! And if they stick to the conditions I will eat my hat.

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Margaret Kelly
October 5th, 2007

I'm trying hard not to be disappointed in Peter Garrett....I expected no better from Malcolm Turnbull. From the moment that Howard came out and said the mill would go ahead I knew he would sit on Turnbull and it would happen. Hopefully he will lose his seat...hopefully they both will but after Garrett's roll over will a Labor Government be any better for the environment?

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Mark Doyle
October 5th, 2007

There will be little change in the way the company Gunns operates within Tasmania until there is a comprehensive corruption investigation into the relationship between the Tasmanian State Labour and Liberal parties, Forestry Tasmania and Gunns. During an interview in 2004 on Four Corners this exchange took place.

TICKY FULLERTON: So you don't see yourself as a de facto Premier?

JOHN GAY: I beg your pardon?

TICKY FULLERTON: I say that because people around Tasmania say you have an extraordinary amount of influence with both sides of Government.

JOHN GAY: I would think that those people are on the political scene on the other side of Government.

TICKY FULLERTON: What the Liberal Party?

JOHN GAY: The Green Party.

TICKY FULLERTON: So is that the other side of Government?

JOHN GAY: Well it must be.

How can there be proper oversight of this companys business practices when the only two governing parties are seen as an adjuct to its ongoing business plans?

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lyn kelly
October 5th, 2007

i fully support the people of tasmania and the rest of australia, the world, in opposing the puplp mill.

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Ivor Morgan
October 5th, 2007

People before profit

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robyn ryan
October 5th, 2007

All the conditions in the world will not last when the mill is in operation. We know about the lapses over time and once the mill has been built the government will lose its power over the operators. Leave logging alone. We dont need anymore wood chip mills and certainly not in this location.

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Brendan Lee
October 5th, 2007

Shame on you Peter Garrett for not only allowing this to happen, but openly approving of it. You're a joke mate. We all expected better from you.

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Eddie Keane
October 5th, 2007

The totally undemocratic method of forcing this mill on the residents of the area is a permanent blight on the Tasmanian Labor Govt.
No public submissions were heard and the long term environmental integrity of the mill area and surrounds cannot be guaranteed

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Philip Lidbury
October 5th, 2007

Whatever "safeguards" are proposed Tasmania does not need this polluting, destructive mill. Hoping that both Peter Garrett (who shows absolutely that he has no backbone) and Malcolm Turnbull are one-term politicians.

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Jacqui Sosnowski
October 5th, 2007

I, like everyone else in this blog, am disapointed and ashamed to be part of an Australia that has so little respect for its environment that it would condone the destruction of a part of it. But I am also disapopinted it seems that GetUp is merely preaching to the converted - How can we REALLY get to the rest of Australia and get them to change the way things are? Especially when the most viable political alternative has just become a "turncoat" as bad as Turnbull?

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Leonor Gouldthorpe
October 5th, 2007

Please protect Tasmanian forest and the environment which is so essential for people's survival and stop any further polluting industry.

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Richard Howlett
October 5th, 2007

Gunns share price went up immediately the approval was announced. The "money population" only wants the best returns possible on it's money and it doen't care about the local problems in Tasmania, or anywhere else. Australia has sold its soul for money and our leaders don't appear to have any real concerns about that. Anything is OK if it makes or saves money. How can we have a $20B budget surplus with charities phoning pensioners to ask for donations? How can we prevaricate over global warming and export coal to China thereby supplying the raw materials for their massive pollution production - in the name of money of course. Our thoughts don't rate very highly in Canberra or State Govt Offices and with the "money people" and we are being, and will continue to be, manipulated by all branches and levels of politics and big business - but let's keep trying anyway! Get Up and say something.

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Leonie Kelly
October 5th, 2007

Shame on you, Peter. We have learnt to expect no more from the Coalition Government. You once were a respected environmentalist - now you're just another pragmatic politician. Congratulations to Christine and The Greens. We know where you stand before and after any election. Let's hope John Howard, Joe Hockey, Malcolm Turnbull and their ilk are all out of our federal parliament in the near future - and more Greens are there.

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bob
October 5th, 2007

Congratulations Peter Garret you're now a real politician! Using pernacious weasel words as well as the rest of the weasels.

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Ian Peak
October 5th, 2007

How much have the 2 big parties received from Gunns? That's how it works isn't it?

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susan youngberry
October 5th, 2007

How did we end up with such spineless, narrow minded, short sighted, easily manipulated men making decisions for us, our children and our planet. Worse, how did we end up with the same men in opposition!

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Phil Clarke
October 5th, 2007



The pulp mill is an industrial facility that is market driven. The mill will exist because it will supply a demand that also exists, and that is not the fault of its operators. Maybe we need to start with this reality in our desire to reduce deforestation.

The pulp mill issue is not just about one isolated kind of reliance placed on wood supplies but is part of the bigger issue of all excessive demand on an increasingly scarce resource, whatever its end use or form - be it paper, particle board or timber

It is a bit rich to see so many people who complain about excessive deforestation demanding timber construction for their new homes and extensions. Wood should become the material used decoratively and sparingly rather than structurally. It appears to me that an awful lot of theoretically Green supporters dream of log cabins and wood fires, with a couple of environmentally disastrous pussycats stretched out in front of the fire

The continuing use of timber and particle board as primary building materials is dictated not only by customer taste but also by chronically poor architectural and construction standards, together with a lack of public awareness as to alternatives. In many cases - if you inquire closely enough - even brick and mortar construction can be cheaper. What is wrong with concrete constructed flooring and tiling instead of floorboards and wooden joists?

In Australia the problem seems to be that house builders come into the profession mostly via carpentry, rather than via bricklaying etc. Maybe a change in builders licensing conditions should be considered, to include more extensive practical knowledge and experience of all construction techniques, and a stipulation that the license holder be part of a structure of the kind of continuing education and assessment demanded of lawyers and doctors. This education should include tuition in the preservation of resources through good advising of customers and use of alternative techniques

In addition, a publicly popular legal ban on junk mail would vastly reduce the quantity of paper being demanded. How many of us would miss the barrage of department store advertisements and most of the political codswallop that lands in our letterboxes? Has anyone ever changed the way they vote as a result of reading junkmail?

In the coming years it will be essential for the world to reduce its reliance on oil. How about getting in ahead on the need to reduce our reliance on wood too, instead of waiting until we reach tipover point on that resource?

The world needs a new architecture and an entirely new building ethos. That is what our universities and technology schools – including TAFE – should be teaching and spreading.

Perhaps it also what those magazines and newspapers made out of our pulped forests should be telling us. Otherwise they too are killing the goose that lays their golden eggs - for as wood gets scarcer newsprint paper costs – also market driven – are bound to rise

The pulp mill is not the disease itself but a symptom of a far worse social illness. The cure lies in the use of new technologies at grass roots level and that in turn requires far higher standards of education and awareness. A dumbed down population is generally also a wasteful one.

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andrew mcintyre
October 5th, 2007

Par for course as discissions made by Australian polititions go.
Short term profits for long term distruction of the enviromnet wraped up in latest poly speak . Best practice my arse!!! As far as policy goes its more likely a script from Yes minister.Tragic.

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Dagmar
October 5th, 2007

SHAME, Mr Turnbull! You had the opportunity to show strength of character by truly representing the majority of Tasmanians. Instead you succumbed to the biased greed of a minority, showed lack of forsight and disregarded a more appropriate potential future for Tasmania.

Not only was the environmental impact an issue here but also how bullying has overridden our democracy. "I have imposed the world's toughest environmental conditions on the proposed pulp mill in Tasmania's Tamar Valley." What confidence can we have that this will be properly monitored and enforced given the past successful bullying tactics of Gunn's which enbales this company to be a law unto itself?

So, Mr Garrett, you also support pulping Tasmania's historic environment to value add to the pockets of few greedy, short sighted minority?

"The most important thing we can do now is ensure these extra conditions are properly and adequately scrutinised and make sure that the environment is protected, for example maximizing the use of plantation timber" You couldn't stand up to the bullies thus far but you expect us to have confidence you will in the future????

Why has the value of preserving Tasmania's forest estate been ignored?

For example:
Worldwide, there are folk who hunger for 'time out' in a peaceful, safe, natural environment ... this demand is ever increasing. Accommodating these visitors has less risk of environmental destruction and preserves our forest estate not only for now but for the future ... making it a long term asset for many!

PS I do not live near the Tamar Valley, am not involved in any tourism ventures ... but a mere, humble mortal who chose to live in Tasmania and am disturbed by the lack of concern, forsight and respect afforded to this state by both State and Federal politicians.

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George Barrett
October 5th, 2007

Peter Garrett and Malcolm Turnbull have shown what a total lack of balls they have. I am disgusted by their spineless behaviour. Australians DON'T WANT this mill - and we don't want gutless politicians either.

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Gillian Rayner
October 5th, 2007

What a win for Gunn's! After all, they don't care if Turnbull loses his Seat or not. Capitalism is not a democratic institution. Once more, it seems that Garrett has failed the environment, and neither major party offers any real solutions.I'll be voting Green, and 2nd preferencing whichever other Party puts Greens as it's second preference (within reason!)

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ewen Finnane
October 5th, 2007

The fight against the pulp mill is just starting. Here in Bennelong there is a strong sentiment against the pulp mill and Lindsay Peters, the Bennelong Greens candidate is vowing to make it a centre piece of his campaign against John Howard. Remember the Franklin River Dam. It was approved and supported by both both major parties but after a years fierce campaigning by the public was eventually stopped.

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Pat Thomas
October 5th, 2007

Dear Judith,

Our family shares your concerns. I don't understand how in this era when climate change and the destruction of the enviroment are fundmental to our survvial as a race that such a mill can be approved, a mill that will destroy so much native forest. We are behind you and support you 100%.
I think both major parties have this worng and we will be supporting the Greens in this election.

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Susan Lawler
October 5th, 2007

We have to stop using the words "Worlds Best Practice", because obviously, world practices are so poor that we can use this phrase and still cause huge environmental damage. I would like the mill to have No Impact. As a minimum, let the impacts be made very clear and measurable so that we can have a real debate. The cost-benefit analysis for this mill is unbalanced because the costs will be borne by the environment, tourism and many small buisiness in Tasmania while the benefits will belong to a few individuals and lobbyists. I can no longer, in good faith, vote Labor.

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Jonathon Troy
October 5th, 2007

I remember the stories about banana republics and how companies could control democracies. It looks like Gunns has done the same. I thought that politicians would listen to people like the community before they made decisions. I won't be voting Labor or Coalition this election. They will have to fight for second last and last from me.

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Paul Munro
October 5th, 2007

Unhappily, the Tamar Valley mill decision and the process associated with it illustrates the deeply corrupt character of our democratic and policy formation processes.

Big money counts more than ever; politicians have their
hands deep into the public till to fund advertising and agency programs supportive of their continuance in office.

Australia has never needed as much as it does now the checks and balances that foster sound and accountable policy formation and public administration of it.

Paradoxically, the marginal seat fixations of the major political parties betray democratic principles and values rather than serve them. We are now conditioned to accept the spectacle of pork barrelling handouts, slanted advertising at public expense, and general degeneration of quality debate. That spectacle is not much different from the direct electoral bribery that has become the hallmark of elections in Papua-New Guinea. Our process and the abuse of governmental power has uncomfortably close parallels to practices of governing regimes in countries like Zimbabwe. Power corrupts and those who collectively seek it can also be corrupted by the lust for it.

In this debate we should ask ourselves which of the available options, which candidates for election, might best be supported in the interests of restoring a more accountable better balanced administration of policy in the public interest of our society.

Nothing said to this point satisfies me that pumping woodchips and effluents respectively into consumer product and the environment serves the public interest in the medium to long term. How does that public interest weigh against the sectoral interests of Gunns and the people who will work for it? Who guards our guardians? Why should we trust any of the above? I certainly do not.

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Marion Wilson
October 5th, 2007

Will the supply of timber, necessary to keep this mill viable, be available long term? If/when the supply of timber decreases due to climatic or other conditions do the people of Tasmania/Australia have the means to close the mill before the environment is damaged beyond repair. Good regrowth in logged areas must be guaranteed before the mill has access to new areas.

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Peter Walters
October 5th, 2007

Does everyone know that the only people who voted no on the latest parliamentary pay rise bill were the Greens? Speaks volumes to me! I dread the next election results because Labor proves time and time again how they have abandoned all their principles - and now this! Peter Garrett- pathetic,pathetic, pathetic.

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Ann Clarke
October 5th, 2007

This approval is a shocking blow to Tasmania's ecology, fishing industry, community health and lifestyle let alone potential tourism income that will be affected.

I am alarmed that the Labour government is not more active in protective the environment and reducing greenhouse emissions.

Ann Clarke

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Chris Collier
October 5th, 2007

You can't blame Malcolm Turnbull for getting in good with Gunns.

I guess he sees the writing on the wall for the next election and it won't be a huge surprise when Malcolm Turnbull joins the Gunns board along with it's other pocket politicians.

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Patrick Watson
October 5th, 2007

Turnbull and Garrett are both a disgrace as is the liberal and Labour parties when it come sto our environment. The issue of the pump mill will not go away, much as they hope it will. Both of their parties are being true to your history of political expediency on environmental issues, offering faux policies with deceptive intention. This expediency continues with the announcement of permitting the pump mill to proceed. The only good thing that can come out of this decision to proceed with the pump mill is for you both to loose your federal seats. Lets hope we have a stronger green presence in the senate after this election so as the senate can help rescue our threatened environment.

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Rob Grant
October 5th, 2007

Once again our politicians have been controlled by big business,we would have hoped that their lack of action and support of the coal and oil industries in the face of continuing global warming and the impending catastrophies it has,and will continue to cause may have warned them that financial returns are not as critical as protecting our planet.

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Peter Trollope
October 5th, 2007

So Turnbull handed his wish list to the chief scientist and got him to negotiate with Gunns to reach an agreemant so this mill could go ahead. How many pulp mills has Peacock worked on before? Why does the CSIRO scientist Warwick Raverty, who has 20 years pulp mill experience, say this is not environmentally sound? Lets not forget Raverty spent years working on this very pulp mill assessment and peacock spent 2 WEEKS. I know who I believe.

Peacock is lying when he says the pulp mill will be environmentally neutral too, because he only assessed the Commonwealth areas, not the state areas of air pollution or the loss of wildlife habitat.

Lastly if the Commonwealth has had to put 48 extra conditions on the Commonwealths area of responsibility then what about the state areas of responsibility? These are 48 new conditions on areas that the state Lennon Government had previously passed and there so called expert Sweco Pic also green lighted.

I wonder if Peacock would be willing to publicly debate Raverty on this subject?

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Rick Ryan
October 5th, 2007

Garrett, you are a sell out. Your true colours are shining brighter than any 'Oils' legacy will penetrate.

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Vera Hamm
October 5th, 2007

This is disgraceful. The Federal Government does not care about the people it is supposed to represent. How many of the politicians in favour of the mill live in the Tamar Valley? I think that if they did they would not be in favour of it. Peter Garrett seems to be going the way of many politicians, he is more interested in being a politician than living up to his supposed ideals. This country is being run by idiots.

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kate
October 5th, 2007

I am loooking for leaders with vision. Ones who are prepared to work towards a future informed by respect for the country, aware that we hold this country's extraordinary natural resources in trust as its traditional owners have done. This is yesterday's industry - outmoded, damaging and unnescessary. I see nothing but a generation of rapacious interests banded together by short sight, self interest,and corruption spearheaded by identical political parties. Go and bully yourselves in a corner, play rugby union, join the army - just find something which stops you spoiling the world for the rest of us

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Joan Dugdale
October 5th, 2007

Few issues so vividly demonstrate the lack of intellectual, moral and imaginative leadership in Australia as this pulp mill.
It would be wonderful to hear a leader address the question of the mill in the whole context of climate change, environmental protection and alternative, labour intensive industries for Tasmania.
I'm no expert, but it seems there are alternatives to woodpulp for paper making: strong contenders for atmospheric carbon uptake such as hemp that would also produce oilseed crops, fabric for clothing and upholstery, meal for animal and human food. Why can't we have a national discussion about where to locate such industries to maximise the benefits to the whole human and ecological environment, rather than allow "the market" to decide, purely on the basis of what benefits their shareholders and management?

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Steve Baxter
October 5th, 2007

Your comment This seems a remarkable BACKWARDS step for the environment, for Tasmania, and for the Democratic process of Government.
I thought that the Government was to govern FOR the people not AGAINST them ? It is CLEAR that the majority of people throughout Australia, and in Tasmania DON'T want this Pulp Mill, no matter how good Gunns says it is for their pockets or the economy of Tasmania! It will DESTROY more economies than it feeds, and it will also adversely effect the environment for DECADES to come !!
Am I also to understand that WE the Tax payers will also be subsidising this mill because of the price of Pulp may drop out of the bottom of the market at any time ??

It is NO WONDER that people DON'T TRUST POLITICIANS when they are CLEARLY SO OUT OF TOUCH with the concerns of the MAJORITY of the people - particularly with regards to the environment and Global Climate change ?!?!
The Coalition will pay dearly for this decision !!

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Diana Rickard
October 5th, 2007

Couldn't see much difference between what Turnbull and Garrett had to say. Certainly both are intelligent and informed enough to understand the precautionary principle and yet both toe their party lines to obfuscate the issue.

We don't need a pulp mill in Tamar Valley. Simple concept, isn't it, lads?

'Best practice' means No to Gunns. Shame that our two conscientious legal lads boasting of green extraction have bowed to such obviously nasty bullying and anti-environmental nepotism.

Oh well, its their consciences - and their kids who'll suffer in the end from the greenhouse effects.

I hope they can live with it. Obviously people who've lived with and love the Tamar Valley - can't.

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Ron
October 5th, 2007

Dear Mr Garrett, you have disapointed me greatly. Was I fooled by Midnight Oil?...I have a video of Midnight Oil showing massive destruction of forests and habitats, which when viewed always allayed my fears that prominent persons/bands etc and politicians helped save destructive and downright stupid deforestation - but alas! The pulp Mill is destructive in all its guises...Hopefully Bob Brown, Christine Milne and Nick McKim will be governing Australia and get rid of all those who favour wholesale destruction of our environment....Has anyone heard of climate change?...Tasmania is one of the last Paradises in the world - and we want to destroy that?....The people who support this crazy scheme (Pulp Mill) obviously do not have children or family that would like to live in a healthy , sustainable,clean planet....

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Jim STEVENS
October 5th, 2007

How long are the Australian Voting Public going to be held to rensom and blackmailed by a couple of Tasmainian electorates?
I for one am sick of this Prostitution of our Democracy - not only in Tasmania but in Queensland where the Government is determined to block Daylight saving while at the same time posing against "Global Warming" which such opposition assists - it's either got to be one or the other.

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Magi Marcon
October 5th, 2007

As has been our ongoing experience as citizens, we are again faced with a government decision that allows our environment to be decimated to benefit a few, especially big business.

I understand the workers' fear of unemployment through loss of their logging industries if environmental values prevail. They need assurances of a future that can only be provided by a moral decision by an ethical government to develop alternative industries in Tasmania. Alternative environmentally sound industries will provide employment but no support is given to their development.

Labor will not oppose this pulp mill, not least because they want to win votes. Peter Garrett sold out the moment he agreed to stand for the Labor party; no one would have been naïve enough to think otherwise. No matter how much we'd like to believe the majority of voters oppose the mill, the major parties don't believe anyone except those directly affected will vote on the issue as a primary consideration and they believe those supporting the development will be in the majority in that electorate.

We can only hope that when Labor wins the federal election, they will understand their mandate is to give us a different 'model' from the one we've been forced to endure from the Liberals.

It's also to be sincerely hoped that we never again give the power of both houses to any Government; only a strong senate can hope to modify the power of the major parties. The Democrats failed in this role, giving us GST for example. The Greens SHOULD at least be able to hold the line on the environment.

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Kerry Ivan Shipman
October 5th, 2007

I'm curious, does the new god "Science" have any moral code or is it at the exclusive service of self-interest and the old, but new ethic of everything is simply a means to my end, including the natural environment and the rather tattered social fabric?
Garrett, Turnbull, and Lennon - What a pack of boof-heads!

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October 5th, 2007

I heard Peter Garrett give an impassioned and inspiring speech at my Uni back in 1988 about the environment, i went to a midnight oil concert and heard him bag out Queensland for its environmental record, ive been reluctant to believe that hes sold out to the political machine. But im afraid the writings on the wall. Very disappointing. You've lost my vote!

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BrentOsment
October 5th, 2007

How John Gay can say it will have no enviromental impact is nothing short of a lie. As for Malcolm It's Bye Bye and Peter get a back bone and show some green credentials. Brent from Currumbin Qld

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Di Keller
October 5th, 2007

Even if the effluent issue was resolved by these conditions, the air pollution problem was not even addressed!!! Every photo you see of the Tamar valley shows a haze over it. It is so blindingly obvious that this is the wrong place for any industry that affects the air.!! This has just been totally brushed aside!! So "world's best practice" for effluent and just ignore the air we breath?????

Just quietly how can any amount of effluent be ok??????

Strangely enough I found a little ray of hope in Peter Garret's comments. He's definitely playing the game but he is probably our only hope of achieving anything constuctive. If he protested now he would only make himself a target. Let's hope all the reasons we were happy to see him become a politician are still there .

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ian faulkner
October 5th, 2007

All your government runs on is favours from big business. You do not have the support of honest people and will lose the federal election. Your policies are always in the interests of short term money earnings, not in the greater good of Australians. I write this in full knowledge that neither my opinion or the opinion of any voter matters to you. You decieve only the willfully ignorant and have no credibility either as a beurocrat or a human being. Your goverment is the mouthorgan of big business and the USA. I would never contemplate voting for your party which I know to be fully corrupted by mindless greed.

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Des Fowles
October 5th, 2007

There are too many people in the community who want to live an advanced western lifestyle with its inevitable environmental impacts, but continue to react to environmental issues grounds on purely ideological grounds. I applaud those who try to make a well-balanced decision on the basis of all relevant factors and the best information available. However, I am not convinced that the matters considered by Malcolm Turnbill have been extensive enough.

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Sam T Shine
October 5th, 2007

The major political parties have absolutely no credibility on this issue. Peter Garret particularly has abdicated the moral high ground and his volte face on this and other environmental issues is breathtaking. At least one expects this kind of political bastadry from the Libs and the likes of Turnbull whose meally mouthed self interest is stomach churning. The archaic notion of destroying forests for woodchips for fibre would be absurdly funny if not so tragic. There are other, superior and more renewable sources of fibre. And what's the point of a job in an environmentally degraded world? Vote Green, upper and lower, everywhere!

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Jan Haselgrove
October 5th, 2007

I was not surprised by Malcolm Turnbulls decision, as the bottom line was always going to be the $ and not the environment. After all this Govt only became interested in global warming, when they realised there was money to be made out of it. How sad is it that so many beautiful trees and animals will be lost for ever, because of the greed of a few.Malcolm Turnbull is really " Destruction of the Environment " Minister and Peter Garrett ( the turncoat ) is right there beside him holding his hand. Thank the Universe for the Greens.

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Karyn Bradford
October 5th, 2007

I keep hoping that politicians will do the right thing, show leadership, put people and the environment first but now I'm done hoping.
I'm going to make sure I know exactly what local politicians stand for before the next election and will be voting accordingly but I'm also going to encourage others around me to get involved, get engaged, develop an opinion, sign petitions, write and join groups with similar values - become activists.
WE are Australians, we are not our politicians. It's clear that they are out of touch with us. WE know what's right and together we can fight to make it right.

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Jack Frawley
October 5th, 2007

This yet another case of politicians doing their masters bidding - in this case Gunns. Both Turnbull and Garrett prattle on about 'best practice', but who determines this? What about achieving 'best practice' in representing people rather than big business.

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Lindsay Peters, Greens candidate for Bennelong
October 5th, 2007

This is a disgraceful decision by the Environment Minister Turnbull, whitewashed by a sham of a scientific report. What's even more reprehensible is Peter Garrett supporting this filthy mill, and so soon after his words of "concern" about the environment and greenhouse gas emissions at Maxine's recent Climate Change forum.

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Barbara Ross
October 5th, 2007

I have just one question. Why are we paying 3rd world countries to stop logging and yet supporting logging in our own country? Where is the logic in this? OK that is two questions

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Huw Grossmith
October 5th, 2007

This is about nothing other than the need for greed. We have learnt absolutely nothing from the late 80's and one can only hope that some of the (almost non taxpaying) puppet masters get burnt badly when the next crash comes.

Shame on the Feds both Lib and Lab, please people vote for someone else in both houses, and shame on the Tassie government too. This decision will not create jobs and will practically denude a beautiful wilderness to keep the mill fed.

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Angus Denton
October 5th, 2007

The problem lies with the fact we have no economic model that describes what a forest does for the environment or economy, it's just an untapped resource.

What would be the cost of building and operating a machine that transpires water into the air, removes and fixes carbon from the atmosphere. My point is that a forest has a value before it is fed to a mill.

If you cut down the trees there will be less rainfall and we desperately need rain.

Stupid unimaginative politicians....

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Steve Goldberg
October 5th, 2007

These are the weasal words which we no longer believe: "World's Best Practice"
The same crappy argument used to justify every hyper-damaging development. Want truckloads of examples? Do some googling and you'll see what I mean.

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Mal Whyte
October 5th, 2007

It appears that once more greed and big business has won out in the short term. When are politicians going to realsie that they are the servants of the people and are there to protect the environment not destroy it for profit for their supporters. Keep up the pressure on all politicians to make resoned and correct decisions for forest use in a truly sustainable way. Once the ebvironment is ruined there is nothing for mankind at all. It is like life after a nuclear disaster only done slowly.

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Mitchell Duncan
October 5th, 2007

Sally (5 yrears old): Grandpa, why are Tasmanian rivers poisoned and all the tress cut down?

Grandpa (55 years old): That's because some people wanted to keep their jobs in the timber industry. They were the ones who made money cutting down trees.

Sally: But there are no more trees Grandpa. I can't see any !

Grandpa: Yes, I know.

Sally: What happened to the bad men who cut down the trees?

Grandpa: They got rich and left after the rivers got poisoned.

Sally: Didn't the goverment [sic] (she's only five!) stop them?

Grandpa: No, they helped them.

Sally: But Grandpa, won't there be any more trees now?

Grandpa: No Sally, not unless we plant some more.




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Andrew de Weerd
October 5th, 2007

To all you Liberal and Labor politicians who sold out the country’s inheritance for the wealth and privilege of a few families who own Gunns Limited, you are a disgrace. May you all be remembered for selling out the future and hocking the nation’s natural treasures for pulp. Damn you!

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Margarett McPherson
October 5th, 2007

What a terrible state of affairs where wedge politics is used for such an important issue, although we should not be surprised. We have a government which uses issues like the pulp mill, invasion of the NT to further their causes and to try to push the opposition into backing their actions for fear of offending the constituents. Thank God for the Greens - I pray for their eventual entry into the lower house in numbers large enough to threaten the government of the day on issues such as these.

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Rmdas Sankaran
October 5th, 2007

The ALP and the Coalition have sold us big time on this and other critical issues of social equity and climate change. We have a democracy allrigth but its any thing but reprentative of the diversity of our popultation, not just religious, ethnic, cultural and gender, but the plurality of socio economic views. We have 64 women in PArliamnet but only 2 in Cabinet. The only non Christian member of Parliament is one of Jewish background. We have no Buddhists, Hindus, Bahais, Sikhs etc and not one indigenous person. At the last Federal election only 44.29 % of those who cast their votes, voted for the Coalition parties but yet they won 58% of the seats. More than 2.47 million, nearly 15%, of Australians voted for parties other than the ALP, Liberal, Nationals and the CLP or voted informally; yet they accounted for only 2% of the seats. OUr system is stuffed and we dont address this basic flaw we will contnue to get the types of policies with regard to climate change, refugees, indigenous matters, etc regardless of whose in power i.e the Coalition or ALP

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Ivan Matthews
October 5th, 2007

While I understand the need to add value in Australia instead of just shipping off the raw product, a pulp mill has no advantage to Tasmania or Australia for that matter.

A few hundred jobs gained will pale against the number of lost jobs caused to other industries in the area.

Yes, I do understand that the pulp mill is to be sited in a heavy industrial area where there are already other polluting industries. But that is no excuse to add to the mess.

Why would the Howard government want to give Indonesia millions of dollars to save trees, while simultaneously giving the go ahead to chop down pristine forests in Tasmania? The hyposcrisy is startling, even for this government's decision making processes!

The mill is going to pump out dioxin - a suspected carcinogen. It is thought to affect reproduction and sexual development, the immune system and accumulates in the food chain. So good bye to the fishing industry in the larger area. What will the Health costs be to Tasmanians who live in the area or other Australians who purchase products made in the area. Do you like King Island cheese?

Would you trust any Government (but most specifically the Howard lot) to continue to monitor the environmental impact once the mill has long gone from the front page. I think not. How many times have we heard of Tiwi Island forest being damaged in breach of the original agreement, the overflow of mining wastes in Kakadu and elsewhere. The company gets a slap on the wrist and on the polluting goes.

We are bombarded by government advertising telling us to save electricity by changing our light bulbs to reduce our greenhouse foot print and then the government decides its OK to add 10 million tonnes a year! HELLO! How stupid do you reckon Australians are?

The whole process is tainted. Special legislation, greasing of palms, short cutted studies by consultants who know what the report is going to say before they even have a look, a state government that is in bed with or scared to death of, the forestry company. Apparent bullying, ignoring the community sentiment, closed sessions, etc. all make the whole deal stink worse than a pulp mill at close range.

If this whole process had been handled transparently, honestly and with genuine environmental concerns addressed then the mill would probably be under construction today.

We can all smell a rat, especially a dead rat, a mile away.

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Philip Emery
October 5th, 2007

It's little wonder Joe Blow public is so cynical about politicians and politics. It takes men and women of great courage to stand up to powerful vested interests corrupted by the almighty dollar, and do the right thing. Pathetically the actions of Turnball and Garrett follow a long line of compromising principle in the name of political expediency - death by a thousand cuts - curiously paralleling the fate of native forests in Tasmania. Before long you are advocating the merits of corrupted decision making processes and boasting "world's best practice" where evidence suggests nothing of the kind.

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DAVID BUCKLE
October 5th, 2007

Dr Peacock may give his qualified recommendations on the limited information available on the marine environment, but I take Senator Brown's point that the law requires the Minister to be sure before he approves. The public have no explanation in press accounts as to why chlorine bleaching has reappeared in the plan despite the original boast that this dangerous process had been superceded.

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Sue Monticone
October 5th, 2007

I strongly agree with Greens Senator Christine Milne and Judith King, this issue has firmed my desicion to vote Green again this year (as I did in the last election). I am disappointed that Labours Peter Garret could not be a stronger voice on this issue and certainly hope that he will stand by his word if elected. I have been a traditional Labour voter in the past - but it remains in the past now. The Liberal party must stop this tokenism "green" policy garbage - they will never win my vote.

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Stefan Sojka
October 5th, 2007

This is a horrendous decision - to agree to build a forest-eating machine that will devour as much forest as it can possibly devour, as it's sole reason for existence. Maximum destruction! Trees are worth a lot more growing in the ground than they are pulped for toilet paper. One wipe of your ass, and it's over. these trees are part of a multi-billion year old chain of events - and you want to end that chain with one flush. Peter Garrett you ought to be ashamed of yourself.. and Malcom Turnbull I wouldn't expect anything less from you - your inability to factor in real costs beyond the balance sheet is unsurprising.

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Peter Trollope
October 5th, 2007

I call on Ministers Turnbull and Garrett to answer this question. The tax havens that the wealthy use in the form of MIS are directly responsible for the exponential growth of tree farms and the need of this pulp mill. These managed investments schemes are taking over our most prized agricultural land, not just in Tasmania but Australia wide. I recently read an article where the sugar cane farms of North QLD were being replaced by tree farms (how long before they need a pulp mill on the barrier reef too). I know Howard removed all other types of farming from eligibility under this scheme a year or so ago. This gives the logging industry an unfair advantage that mostly is paid for by the poorer Australians as the wealthier Australians can take advantage of the tax free status. My Question: Will Turnbull and Garrett commit to removing this unfair advantage and put tree farming back on a level foot with food production or will they publicly state that we should pay more for food because logging needs subsidizing to be viable?

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Frances Urquhardt
October 5th, 2007

I weep for our planet.

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wez
October 5th, 2007

A majority of Australian's, a majority of Tasmainians, a majority of people liveing in the area (and electorate) where the mill is planned and a majority of people in Malcolm Turnbull's electorate want the mill stopped. In a democracy, what would his decision be?
What principle or interest then IS driving his decision?

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Louise Hayes
October 5th, 2007

Shame on both the major parties. Labour why arent you there to support the envirnment, as you claim you would be!! The climate chagne issue is the most significant issue our planet has faced. Any decision which may threaten the environemnt should be at the very least postponed. How can so many hectares of forest being destroyed be good for our planet right now!!

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Lynette Payne
October 5th, 2007

I believe only the marine environment has been considered.
What about the air quality for all -- job won't help if families health is at risk.
Where is all the timber going to come from to sustain the mill economically, in the future. Trees take some time to grow!!

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Madge Sceriha
October 5th, 2007

The voices of the people who live in the area are surely the ones who MUST be listened to in this matter. They know about their environment and how its health affects their health. When the talk is of world's best practice, it doesn't reassure people like me that this means it is beyond reproach, uninvasive and would do no harm. We don't know what all the variables might be in this matter, but what we do know is enough to say it is too risky.

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Gay Kalnins
October 5th, 2007

Peter Garrett is a turncoat. He should go back to music as we don't want his kind in parliament. But then, he's no different from the rest of the Labor Party. Shame Labor, shame! What we get from Liberal is what we expect, but not Labor. Shame again.

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Jenny Kent
October 5th, 2007

I think that this is a disastrous decision both for the people and forests of Tasmania.

I am extremely disappointed in the Labour Party's lame response to this issue and heartened by the fact that the Australian Greens will not be preferencing either party in Tasmania. In fact the Greens once again have shown the most principled stand on the pulp mill proposal.

To the people of the Tamar Valley I hope that thinking Australians will deliver a vote in the coming election that will help your cause.

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Mary Ann Sulc
October 5th, 2007

I am ashamed of Federal Labour, who I feel are pandering to the Tasmanian timber workers.
The Tasmanian Labour Govt has always been beyond enviromental hope!
Those timber workers will get other jobs, but no one can create clean air, water and soil.

Pollute the soil, air and water, which affects our very lives, and jobs are pointless!

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Robin Turnham
October 5th, 2007

I am not surprised by Malcolm Turnbull's decision. That was going to happen regardless of the scientific advice. He has now supported the mill using scientific advice that is partial only - it did not cover the full range of environmental impacts that a best practice approach by government would require - e.g., air quality issues have been omitted and yet are critical in this decision.
I am equally disappointed with Federal Labour for not taking a leadership role in this matter - by demanding comprehensive environmental impact information be gained before a decision is made and not giving a view about the mill until that is received. For a labour voter that is very disappointing.

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Leigh Simpkin
October 5th, 2007

If we can quarantine old growth forest in Tassie from ever being pulped in this Mill then after the plantation forests have been pulped Gunns will lose money and the mill will have to be closed.

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Geoffrey Cartridge
October 5th, 2007

Political expediency at the expense of the environment! Global warming is a reality! despite the mealy mouthed concern expressed by John Howard about climate change, the Murray River and salinity, his actions only support big business. Howard's transparency is too evident, but then this government has been duplicitous from way back, Tampa, Children overboard "No GST". I will always remember John Howard and his repeated fervent "I will never ever...." , and then do the opposite. Making an election ad highlighting Howard's "never evers" would be a bit of a hoot, and so damaging!

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Georgie
October 5th, 2007

I think it's sad that Peter Garret is now going to be remembered, not for his years of activism, being proudly passionate about his beliefs and what was right, to someone who succombed to the political party machine. Worlds best practice? How can destroying these forests be worlds best practice. I'm in shock.

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Francine Bartlett
October 5th, 2007

I feel devastated about this and many other decisions and actions being put forward by. I'm in awe of the stupidity of it. Australia needs leadership and commitment to genuinely seeking the wisest actions for good governance, social, environmental and economic sustainability to guide Australia to a viable future for generations. The issues in health, welfare, education, employment, climate change, etc indicate the need for a radical shift in consciousness to get through extremely difficult times. Not considering the whole impact of Gunns has led to a tricky, short term "solution" that cynically sells out the potential for alternative jobs, saving the forest, postively impacting on global warming, seeing the economic opportunities for clean food production, etc etc ensuring a future for all. So if the world's best practice monitoring shows it is a disaster, what then? Pull it down again? Perhaps Gunns should consider building a series of small paper recycling plants spread appropriately through the Island instead?

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Judy Cameron
October 5th, 2007

Your comment
That Australia's Chief Scientist, with all we know about climate change, would approve this mill that will destroy so much native forest (regardless of whether it is old growth or regrowth)is unbelievable. The citizens of this country are so far ahead of politicans on this issue - as they will find out at the Federal Election. And I am very upset at Peter Garrett's sell-out of the environment. Vote Green for the balance of powerr in the Senate to stop this nonsense!

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Irene Schardijn
October 5th, 2007

Show us the numbers!
Who will benefit from the plant?
How much profit will be made and where will it go to?
Only then can we put the facts (predictions) alledged by all parties side by side so that everyone can find peace with the final decision.
This is what I understand as being Democracy.
What happened here is another sad example of savage capitalism disguised as democracy.

The fact that the major parties in the decision making haven't given us the numbers is because they cannot be accepted!

Turnbull will have to answer to God for this and he has just thrown his name in the mud of history!
And Garret forgot his balls on stage when he stepped out of it.

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Max Tickner
October 5th, 2007


Pollution aside - (and I spent my career fishing the Arctic Circle and saw how quickly the northern oceans were stripped of aquatic life by commercial greed and pollution) the Gunns' proposal - and let's ensure that's all it remains - is uneconomic.

Gunns claim they can operate the mill on plantation timber 'without recourse to native forests'. This is of course nonsense - if not a calculated lie. And both Turnbull and Garrett display either crass stupidity - or hints of a corrupt influence in accepting this claim.

Gunns, in their prospectus touting for finance suggest the mill will be soley reliant on plantation grown trees, and produce 'pulping chips' at $70 per tonne.

Already South American sources are offering that same product (using native timber) at $30 per tonne. Obviously even before it is built the Gunns plant is running at a loss. Or have both major political parties (Lib and Labor) agreed that the Australian tax-payer will cover any future shortfall - for a 'backhander' to party coffers ?

Alternatively will it be deemed 'necessary,' for the sake of economic running, that Gunns will be allowed to waive the 'plantation' part of the agreement and rip into native forests.

If Turnbull and Garrett really do understand the impact this mill will have on the environment - and economy of Australia - and still agree to its progress - then they are at best fools undeserving of public support - or at worst corrupt and should be brought to public trial.

Max Tickner, New South Wales

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Bob Goodbourn
October 5th, 2007

I never thought I would see the day when John Howard and Peter Garret would be singing the same environmental tune..... it seems our democracy is hardly more real than Burma's and I'm tired of watching my taxes being used for environmental, social and humanitarian vandalism both locally and internationally.

I think that it's time we all got up and moved to New Zealand... and New Zealand can put an immigration entry test into place that effectively prevents our politicans from following.... perhaps we could use the vacant Australia as an international dumping ground for unwanted politicians......

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Sharon Hetzel
October 5th, 2007

Mr Turnbull's decision only makes sense if he and the Labor Party will give us a cast iron guarantee that they will enforce strict sanctions on Gunn's - including shutting down its operations - if Gunn's does not abide by the conditions imposed on the licence approval.

This decision and that of the Labor Party simply reinforce my view that both parties increasingly govern for sectional interests and are incapable of making decisions in the long term best interests of the general community and the environment. What a pity that MOther Nature doesn't havea vote - but she'll get us in the end if we aren't much better governed!

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Dominique Comber-Sticca
October 5th, 2007

How can we endanger our environment by continuing to have political support for projects that are clearly devised to provide votes, rather than provide sustainable environmental procedures. The pulp mill is more than just providing jobs in Tasmania, surely with all of our knowledge we can still employ people without having to harm the environment those people and their children live in.

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Wendy Lohse
October 5th, 2007

Thanks Getup, for the opportunity to publicly voice my dread now that the decision has been made. Tasmania WAS the cleanest, greenest state of Australia. The jewel in Australia's crown. I came here for the air and the land and the water. Malcolm Turnbull took the easy way out. AGAIN. He believes the coalition won't lose many votes over this issue. He has not considered the air, the rainfall, the smoke inhalation, the toxic poisoning that Gunns already sprays over us whilst pillaging and raping this island.

This mill will not go ahead. I believe that in my soul. Tasmanians are good and sensible people, except for those politicians on the major party sides. They'd sell their grandmother for a dollar. The almighty dollar is doing the talking on this issue. Malcolm Turnbull has no idea of the real public outrage. Peter Garret is the blackest, most Burned-Out-Once-Upon-a-Green-Timer whose plummeting down to the deepest darkest depths I have ever been unfortunate enough to witness.

Poison, Dollars, nudge-nudge-wink-wink, Poison, Dollars, Poison, Greed, Poison, Greed, Poison, Greed.

I just wish ALL Greedy politicians would leave this state to the people who love it. We, who love this state, are far more interested in its quality, not what we can plunder from it. Tasmania WAS superior to the Big Island. And now, greedy Big Islander politicians have climbed into bed with the self-confessed bribe-taker, Paul Lennon, to make an ugly and greedy gigantic scar on this planet's surface. And pollute our waters for evermore.

WHO, WHO could give this island away? Totally? Without the blink of an eye? To Gunns-Vandals-Corporation? How can those people take what's ours and give it away like this? Oh yeah. Politicians. They've been doing that since 1788.

More than a blemish, this is a cancer. Greed is NEVER satisfied. Like Cancer, Greed grows. The Haves are impossible to satisfy. They will take from the HaveNots until there is nothing left. Only then will they leave Tasmania and go elsewhere to continue their plunder. The greed of Gunns, Lennon, Turnbull, Garret and all other supporters of this toxic dump, knows no bounds.

Gunns will not stop until it has pulped every single Majestic-Old-Forest Tree on this island. Gunns will not stop until it has done its worst on this island and taken it to the point of NO Return.

Climate change? Well, we know that Malcolm Turnbull's team didn't believe it was even happening until the election was closing in. So this approval doesn't come from science at all. It comes from Greed. What will this Pulp Mill do to exacerbate climate change? Gunns intends to obliterate this whole island - and I know Greedy Giants have done this before. They've already got Pulp Mills. But Greed Grows. This will not be the last destruction this Giant will satisfy itself with.

Once there was an island near the equator. It was called Ocean Island. It had an indigenous-islander population of around 2,000 and they loved their home. It had been theirs for many thousands of years. Then one day in the 1950s a Greedy Giant, the British Phosphate Company, moved in and mined it away. That island is no more. By 1970 the islanders whose home it had been for thousands of years were relocated without compensation. Nothing. That's the arrogance of Greed.

Kind of like we did to Tasmanian Aborigines, saying to ourselves, aren't we generous, we've given them somewhere another island to live on. Not a fair trade in any sense. Why did we do that? Simple we did it so that we could rape and pillage their island too. Greed. Greed. Greed.

Can Tasmania secede from Australia? Then we could deport all of Gunns planet-deforestation gurus. Where to? Who cares? Perhaps the moon. No, Mercury would be better. Then they might understand this global warming concept. Gunns has been on my boycott list since I first came to Tasmania in 2003. Let's go to real Tasmanian outlets. We need a Tasmania-wide boycott of all Gunns outlets. There are more jobs in Tasmania than job seekers - already - without a Pulp Mill.

Oh, of course, Gunns is counting on that. They know where they can get the cheapest labour on the planet and the State and Federal Government will simplify it for them. The poor and unfortunate who need and seek asylum perhaps. More, Much More, Labour at a fraction of the cost. Greed. It's a hand-in-hand agreement Gunns-StateGovernmentsAndOppositions-FederalGovernmentsAndOppositions. Of course. That's what the Greedy do. More slaves for less pay. It's crystal clear.

And not one woman amongst these decision makers. Not one mother. Not one grandmother. These mysoginists know nothing of nurture. They only know Rape and Pillage; Money and Greed.

There are plenty of Greedy-Grunge-Leftovers all over this once beautiful planet. We can already see what Gunns have done to Tasmania and it sure isn't beautiful. What other evidence do politicians and scientists need. The scars are everywhere.

Election Day my votes will go Green-1, Democrat-2, Independent-3, Independent-4, Independent-5to97 (as many as are there), Labor-98, National-99, Liberal-100.

Please Tasmania - give Bass and Braddon and all the others to the Greens or the Democrats. All major parties have betrayed us. Again. And we don't have a Bob Hawke this time. Labor is devoid of soul now. Mark Latham had this right before the last election, that's for sure. Shame we didn't see it then.

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Leanne Veitch
October 5th, 2007

If Labor is so keen to support the chipping of indigenous species, they can start by chipping my old Midnight Oil records. They will make some nice plastic mulch for Peter Garrett's garden.

With the new Gunns mill now approved by both major parties, there will soon be no tree left standing in Tasmania.

I am deeply ashamed to be an Australian right now.

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Naval Pols
October 5th, 2007

Both Turnbull and Garrett do not mention the huge logging of the trees. Even in the impossible case that there is no pollution at all, on the ground of the loss of the trees the mill is not acceptable. Besides, where are Peter Garrett's so called environmental credentials suddenly??? Talking about a turncoat! Also the "independent" chief scientist is paid by the government, independent? Do they think we are all stupid?

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Cecile Storrie
October 5th, 2007

I can't find publically acceptable words to comment on Peter Garret's reversal on the environment!

I sincerely hope that the chief scientists will accept the challenge from Bob Brown to face open debate on their findings.

You pollies make decisions governed by how many votes are in it for you - but what you don't get is that so many of us are extremely worried and concerned about the environment and our current voting may fly in the face of your outdated preditions.

I wish you could just look at what is best for Australia not some b----y international company!

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October 5th, 2007

It's about time big business and developers stopped running this country to suit there own money making agenda. Governments, at all levels, are just puppets pandering to those who pay most into their party coffers.
Their attitude to pollution and climate change is no different to their attitude in the past to Asbestos, smoking etc.

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Martin Male
October 5th, 2007

I find this an appaliing decision. Surely this is the similiar the the Franklin dams issue. I feel the Labour party has simply caved into the CFMEU and the need to win seats in Tasmainia. I am deeply dissapointed with Peter Garrett, he seems to have become a party stoodge. Yet again a decison is made based purely on economics. Enough is enough.
How can pulping trees be "best practice. Next we wil be saying pumping excess salt into the sea to make water for us, is, whoops we have already been told this. With the agreement by all sane and scientific scientists that CO2 is a major problem in regards to global warming, (Greenhouse effect) then how can cutting down vast tracks of trees be 'best practice'.
When I did my science degree we were taught that trees are essential in the CO2 cycle, maybe there is some new research that the Chief Scientist hasn't told us about?
If the Labour party believes this is 'best practice' then the choice is clear vote for the greens, the only party committed to the environment.

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October 5th, 2007

Can I ask.......Why do we need a pulp mill?
I cannot see any financial benefit whatsoever to the Australian economy. Indeed, now that we are considering 'CARBON TRADING', what other Australia industry(ies) should be penalised if this plant goes ahead, in order to 'balance' that carbon waste! The obvious loss of oxygen put out naturally, and the carbon dioxide absorbed naturally by forest growth alone would outweigh the cost of actually building this pulp mill. Environmentally this pulp mill would be a disaster. This pristine wilderness may never recover....Shame on the human race! Shame on the politicians!

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Alexander Molnar
October 5th, 2007

Aren't they being given the go ahead on the assumption that eventually they will comply with all the required environmental criteria? Why even give them criteria if they don't have to satisfy all of them to run their mill?

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Guy Jones
October 5th, 2007

This decision is the PROOF that the leaders know Co2 is not creating the danger we are told !

500,000 hectares of massive native trees are going to be missing in there job to absorb Co2 and release oxygen.

That is enough to discard such a vandal act

But we know Governments only DO facilitations for the corporations ,that is ANY GOVERNMENT

We need a grass root movement focusing on VOTE BOYCOTT
We need to create a vote crisis by voting BLANK in mass then start a process of establishing new rules
New rules that regulates Politicians behavior and performance.

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antony partos
October 5th, 2007

From what I understand the pulp mill will not be just using plantation timber but native forests. I t will be using a bleaching process whereas there was a way to achieve a similar outcome without the toxic affects of bleaching. This project will be receiving huge amounts of government subsidy to make it viable.

Both labor and liberal governments are not truly democratic entities, rather they are just figureheads for corporations that donate money to them. It's a great shame that more people don't seem to care about this fact.

The wood would have a much greater value if it was used to create pieces of art or furniture rather than simply pulp.

I fail to see how this pulp mill will have a neutral footprint when it is an undisputed fact that it will create a huge amount of carbon in its operation and spew out toxic waste into the river system and atmosphere.

Peter Garrett and Malcolm Turnbull have both sold out their principles.

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margaret beavis
October 5th, 2007

To destroy native forests is criminal in light of what we now realize is destroying the planet. Aust. wants to pay Asia to stop logging!!!!!

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October 5th, 2007

Why is everybody so surprised Labour is not in a position to give up seats in Tasmamia and after the debacle in the last election the Liberal party was praying that they would reject the pulp mill and leave them open to attacks re union members in Tasmania. The reallity is that loggers and their families vote along with the unemployed who are promised jobs ( these jobs will disapear but not until after the election). The labour party were caught between a rock and a hard place as Little Johnny intended.

Enough of the lies and divisive politics that Little Johnny has used to win previous elections lets get rid of the moron our country deserves better. I deserve better

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Tony Bates
October 5th, 2007

I cannot believe the stupidity of Peter Garrett in rolling over like a pet cat expecting to have his tummy rubbed for going along with Malcolm Turnbull's environmental attack. The world's best practice? What on earth (literally and metaphorically) does this mean. The damage to the environment, the noise and diesel pollution from trucks, the stench from the mill (visit the Latrobe Valley for a breath of fresh pulp air!) and the adverse effect upon tourism all add up to a huge negative. Both of these politicians deserve to lose their seats at the forthcoming election because of their own naivety re the matter; or is it a case of big business ruling the roost.
A shame upon all those who are so blinkered that they cannot see the bigger picture and to all those other people of whatever political persuasion who are still fighting this retrograde and regressive decision, 'may the power be with you.'

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Prudence Parker
October 5th, 2007

I am disgusted by the political actions of Malcolm Turnbull and also of the gutless nature of Peter Garrett. The future is not in the destruction of forests and especially not in an area as pristine as Tasmania. Tourism and clean green is by far the way of the future for Tasmania and is one that we as Australians should be proud of... Whose to be proud of one company raping and pillaging the countryside for a quick buck... what do the policitians really see as the gain here? Money? No, it is definately NOT ENOUGH.. stop the mill!!

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Byron Kaufman
October 5th, 2007

The Stockholm Convention of '05 which Australia signed dictates zero discharge of organochlorines that include dioxin and other cancer causing agents.
Yet this will now proceed because of Malcolm Turnbull whose name will appear in future histories as being an enabler of countless cancer victims who fell victim to this sham of a review process for this Tassie pulp mill.
It isn't ignorance that will bring down our Australian society, it is greed and the silence of Garrett! Vote Green in the forthcoming Senate election and maybe this stupidity can still be stopped!

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G Huntley
October 5th, 2007

An honest report in answer to a dishonest question.
The terma of reference were designed to give a known answer to restricted areas of concern but excluded investigation of the totality of the effects of the proposed developement.
This hoary trick so successfully used in the debate on the election v appointment of a president does not fool any aware and alarmed member (voter) of the public.

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Dennis Nestor
October 5th, 2007

Our extended family happened to be gathered at my place last night when the TV reported the pulp mill decision. We all voted for the coalition last time, but we all decided to vote for the Greens this time as a protest.

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Gavan Breen
October 5th, 2007

Malcolm Turnbull says the minister can shut down the mill if it doesn't comply with the conditions. But, as Kerry O'Brien pointed out on the 7-30 Report, if the mill is built and is employing lots of people, there will be enormous pressure on the minister to let it stay open, even if it doesn't comply.

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Elisabeth Burford
October 5th, 2007

I can understand the stringent conditions being put in place but my concern has always been the loss of old growth forests. There seems to be little attention or controls being placed on Gunns re the use of old growth forests.

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Brooke Eddington
October 5th, 2007

My main concern with the pulp mill, aside from the release of dioxin into waterways is with the actual amount of timber required for the mill and where it will come from.

Gunns pulp mill will consume 4 million tonnes of wood per annum for pulping and burn 500,000 tonnes of wood to generate power per annum. At start-up 80 per cent of this will be sourced from Tasmania's irreplaceable native forests.

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John & Veronica Wildman
October 5th, 2007

Was the scientific study a complete EIS covering the mill operation, the forests needed to supply the mill with timber, is the timber to be used is plantation or natural. If natural I am opposed to the mill and i do not believe the scienticfic study of the mill covered every aspect of the operation. I detect some environmental vandalism and i am surprised by Peter Garrat attitude.

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Kevin A Pope
October 5th, 2007

The scientist has only looked at one part of the picture and as Joe Hockey said about the study on I R Union money was involved and that made the study suss was the chief sicentist payed by the government and is this study suss.
As for Peter Garrett the old me too I have just been converted to the Greens after years a deadset Labour voter

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ian daniel
October 5th, 2007

Warnings of what we as a species are doing to the biodiversity of the planet have been in the public domain at least since the 1950's. It was then, when as a child I recall the warnings given.
The tipping point for the public consciousness to focus in on global warming, came 12 months ago when people connected David Suzuki and Al gore when both visited Oz at the same time.

The recent CSIRO (who now have a voice) warnings of at least 5 deg C rise by 2070 should put the skids under any proposed development which would increase the emmissions of greenhouse gases. Remember we have been told a temperature rise of this amount is considered carastrophic or the end of civilisation as we know it. Lovelocks forcast of 10% of the worlds population surviving to 2100, comes sharply into focus.
This summer in the arctic there has been a heat wave, the north west passage is open while climatologists forcast an arctic summer, sea ice free by 2023.

The kicker to our present understanding of global warming is we are still to experience climate change effects from greenhouse gases put into the atmosphere from 30 years ago.
Western democracies have continued to pump these gases expodentially into the atmosphere for these past 30 years while China and India slumbered on in ignorant bliss of what we were doing. For politicians to now use China and India as the excuse for not signing Kyoto is a monumental statement in hyprocacy.
To say the USA and OZ carry no responsibility for these gases which are still to impact on the earth's systems says a lot for the shop front governments of western democracies have become for the worst of capitalism. To equate capitalism with democracy, a result of successful branding by those who would control others in self servitude and fear, is an ongoing never ending process of double speak.

Paper can be produced by other means through carbon sinks renewed on a yearly basis. The infrastructure to grow these plants is ready to go. it is no big deal.
Monstrocaties such as the Gunns proposal destroy carbon sinks with related ecosystems and should been seen for what they are. It has little to do with employment. If they could run their mill with one operator they would. It is about redistributing wealth turning a public asset into the private wealth of the few.
In Australia it's called 'keep the dream alive'. In the USA 'the american dream' is the hook. It's about time the public woke from their slumber. Growth economics is an illusion with only one outcome.

The dream of endless economic growth will have our children and grandchildren regarding our generation as being collectively insane as we steal a future far less cruel from them right before their eyes, because we did bugger all to stop what we knew what was happening.

The extinction rate for eden's species is now estimated to be 10,000 times the normal background rate of extinction.
As mother nature writes her report card on how we have behaved as a species, take some time to contemplate the lyrics from Supertramp in the 1970's and their album 'Crime of the Century'. In the end we are all responsible.

Now theyre planning the crime of the century
Well what will it be?
Read all about their schemes and adventuring
Its well worth a fee
So roll up and see
And they rape the universe
How theyve gone from bad to worse
Who are these men of lust, greed, and glory?
Rip off the masks and let see.
But thats no right - oh no, whats the story?
Theres you and theres me
That cant be right

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Lindsay Hope
October 5th, 2007

What a tragedy! Malcolm Turnbull narrowing the scientific terms of reference and Peter Garret rolling over. We should now vote Green whilst making sure that this doesn't assist the Libs to get back in. We should now also try to assist Peter Cousins somehow, who said this morning that he would now concentrate on the banks to encourage them not to lend the huge funds needed by Gunns.

To quote Richard Flanagan from 'Gunns out of Control'...."The rape of Tasmania will continue until one day, like so much else that was precious, its great forests will belong only to myth. Tasmanians will be condemned to endure the final humiliation: bearing dumb witness to the great lie that delivers wealth to a handful elsewhere, poverty to many of them, and death to their future as the last of these extraordinary places is sacrificed to the woodchippers greed. Beautiful places, holy places, lost not only to them but to the world forever. Lindsay Hope

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Valda Cross
October 5th, 2007

Your comment
Gunns wants to build a new pulp mill because the world wants MORE PAPER!!

That being a fact (PAPER), why can't the Greens admit that if a pulp mill is not built in Tasmania, then it will be built elsewhere in the world (say, India, or another "developing country" who are exempt, at the moment, under the Kyoto Agreement).

As global warming is a world problem, then the CO2's or greenhouse gases are a world problem, and will occur no matter where a pulp mill is built.

Let's get real, it is a commercial decision in Tasmania's economic interest with scientific safeguards to protect the environment. We can't control what happens in the rest of the world, but we can control what happens here, and none of us are prepared to go without the paper even the Greens.

The crux of the matter is that our Government has made a decision via Malcolm Turnbull. Labor has endorsed the decision (surprise, surprise) via Peter Garrett. And, who is being criticised? Malcolm Turnbull of course!!! The media spin once again, is unreal and unfair and biased. Good grief, give me a break.........

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Joan, David and Ann Smiley
October 5th, 2007

It seems unbelievable that a person who claims to have integrity should approve this pulp mill especially when Gunns will be receiving large sums of taxpayers' money in subsidies. Spend the money on retraining the workers and help them to resettle where there are jobs. What is Peter Garrett thinking of? Tasmania is one of the few pristine areas left in the world and what an example we as a rich country are sending to Third World countries. Please stop this lunacy.

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Alisa Wortley
October 5th, 2007

This decision is so unbelievably wrong. How have we managed to get to the stage where a small number of jobs are justification for this kind of environmental destruction? This is 5 steps back for a very small step forward.

Malcolm Turnbull has never had my respect as Minister for the Environment - the Liberal Party has never been known for their progressive environmental policies, and this simply reinforces that, despite their trying to appear otherwise with their ridiculous 'Climate Clever' campaign. Mr Turnbull - to be an effective Minister for the Environment you need to lead by example, something you are not doing.

Peter Garrett for the ALP however - people expected so much more from you, and as a long-term Labor voter I'm now stuck between a rock and a hard place. I cannot agree with your stance on this decision, and it will affect my vote.

This is NOT just a Tasmanian issue, to be decided by a small group of people. This is an Australian issue and a multi-party issue - the major party's politicians are disgustingly out of touch with environmental issues both on a national and state level (witness the soon-to-be damming of the Mary River in QLD).

The more progressive countries in the world are shaking their heads at us, and I for one am truly embarrassed to be an Australian at the moment.

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gail Caster
October 5th, 2007

How will we dance when our earth is burning............

Terania Creek, The Franklin Dam.......

Gunns Pulp Mill.........don't you hear the people sing?






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rachel king
October 5th, 2007

In 50 years time nobody will say "Boy I really wished we had destroyed more of the world's native virgin forest!" If we need paper, grow trees and cut them down and make paper. If that's not profitable - then make do with less paper.

Gunns claim no virgin forest additional to their existing permits will be logged. What crazy tinpot government in the 21st century is dishing out permits to cut any virgin forest at all?

Worlds best practice starts with logging plantation forest only. Logging virgin foest is permanently destructive and will be regretted more and more as the years roll by.

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Quentin Grant
October 5th, 2007

Whoops -Malcom, the man who would be King, has been handed the poison chalice and is now up to his neck in Wentworth, um, effluent.

Johny Howard, you cunning little rat!

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Amanda Wilson
October 5th, 2007

Peter G how can you sleep?

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lineke salmeron
October 5th, 2007

This mill should definitely not go ahead. I totally agree with Christine Milne about so called best practise. The mills size alone will require far more than plantation and secondary growth timber to make it run at optimum capacity. And let's face it this will become a vital economic issue, after all is this not what 11 yrs of Howard has taught us. Economic prosperity for a few, rip offs for the unskilled worker,green house gas emissions, no global warming and the earth is flat? It is even more disturbing that the wishes of Tamar Valley residents are completely ignored. With the majority of residents being against the mill , why does this project get the approval of both sides of politics? Peter Garret you've really disappointed me. What has happened to you, where have your principals gone, is it really worth your while to sell out everything you believed in and so passionately promoted? A pulp mill is a pulp mill Peter it will grind up trees, what is the difference to woodchipping and what do you mean by value adding? What value, the Tamar Valley residents' health, cleaner affluents released into the environment, cleaner Co2 emissions? Come on!! I am definitely NOT voting Labor and will remain a Greens voter!!!

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JIll Trevillian
October 5th, 2007

Surely the greatest value that can be added is the preservation of the environment. I am saddened by the fact that both the coalition and the ALP are addicted to short term economic outcomes at the expense of a viable future. How can anything that destroys our rapidly disappearing forests be considered 'best practice'?

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Katherine Moseby
October 5th, 2007

I am extremely disappointed in the Labour Govts. response to this mill. I had expected more from Peter Garrett and had hoped that they would make an election promise to stop the pulp mill. I am now seriously reconsidering my previous intention to vote labour at the next election. Protection of tasmanias' forests should be a high priority as tourism could easily bring in more money than logging in the future. This decision is short sighted and extremely disappointing.

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Alisa Wortley
October 5th, 2007

Would love to see a list of all products associated with Gunns so I can boycott. Anyone know where there is one? And yes, I'm prepared to pay more for something if it means supporting GOOD environmental practices.

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Libby Winter
October 5th, 2007

What is happening to Australia's government? Where is the effective opposition? Aren't we a democratic nation? The people's wishes are not being heard on issues such as unwanted council amalgalations and non-viable dams in Queensland, but this is a whole lot more serious in terms of global repercussions at a time when we have no choice but to place the highest prioruty on environmental protection if humanity is to continue living on this planet. Never give up.

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Maureen Davies
October 5th, 2007

The decision by the Federal Government to approve the Gunn's pulp mill is appalling but not surprising given that the Federal Government has been in lock-step with big business while it's been in office. The rubber stamp by the Labor Party is just as disgraceful and Peter Garrett's whining whaffle about why the mill's been approved just shows how much he's sold out for the spoils of office. Quick to take up pollie doublespeak, isn't he? Gutless coward. No wonder politicians in the main parties are on the nose when the stench of corruption surrounds the whole pulp mill approval process. Who's actually the Government in Tasmania? Gunn's, not the people. So much for democracy. I don't live in Tasmania but I really feel for the small businesses who'll be badly affected by the environmental degradation which will undoubtedly arise if this mill ever gets underway and for the destruction of Tasmania's wealth of forests to feed this monster. The issue that needs to be faced is that, given global warming, we cannot now always succumb to the "jobs for workers" blackmail. We need to develop alternative industries and give genuine assistance to those workers affected by closing down or preventing enviromentally destructive industries. Native American elders used to consider the effects of decisions on seven successive generations. Would that the greedy, self-serving politicians in the Coalition and Labor governments could off the same wisdom. Labor's lost my vote through this and it's mealy-mouthed endorsement of Kevin Andrew's racist dog-whistling on African refugees.

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Peter Walters
October 5th, 2007

My major concern is that this pulp mill, regardless of how clean it is, is 'institutionalising' the clearing of forests in Tasmania. If it goes ahead we will not only have the 'timber jobs' argument, but the 'pulp mill jobs' argument for the felling of even more trees. The mill will soon become an immovable fact of life in the economy of Tasmania and the environmental sustainability argument will be pushed further into a corner.
Thanks Getup for your activism.
Cheers,
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Margaret Orth
October 5th, 2007

I understand that not all the environmental impacts such as air quality were investigated. How can Mr Turnbull approve such a project and Mr Garrett support such a project and for that matter the Chief Scientist not put the brakes on such a project without a thorough investigation of *all* impacts to such a beautiful part of the country.

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Christabelle Baranay
October 5th, 2007

I am distressed that this mill has been given the go ahead!
I live in the beautiful Brunswick Valley Northern NSW and can only imagine what it would be like to have something similar be built here. A small taste has been the expansion of the Pacific Highway, contrary to community wishes. When pristine environments,established agriculture and tourism can be affected, it show that the govt and business are just greedy and not thoughtful for the bigger picture. Also with concerns re global warming, how can such industry be given then go ahead?? Their priorities are questionable. It saddens me that Labour is in agreement. Yeah ! for the Greens!

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Simon Woodacre
October 5th, 2007

The fact that Labor and Peter Garret have been too gutless to stand up to Gunns and the redneck timber workers (and their Union) and put a stop to this mill is a disgrace.
Whats the point of having two party politics if they agree with other all the time?!
This was Peter's chance to restore some much needed credibility by opposing this mill with the passion that he once had for the environment, and instead he failed miserably by towing the party line and hunting for votes.
In reality this has achieved the opposite, I have always voted Labor, but will have to find an alternative this election.
As long as the Greens preference doesn't end up with Labor theyve got my vote for sure!!

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Michael Webster
October 5th, 2007

Shame on Peter Garrett and the ALP for approving this. It's obvious there's only one party which will stand up to Gunns and their pet government in Tasmania. Go Greens in the election!

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Wendy Rose
October 5th, 2007

Your comment I am furious that both Liberal and Labour have agreed to this pulp mill. The report only looked at the effects on the sea and the top scientist this morning was not prepared to even talk about the effects on climate change with the destruction of the trees.

How can labour say they are an alternate government when they are becoming "a me too" party. Where has Peter Garrett left his values on climate change.

I am disgusted that our polititians are not prepared to make the decisions to save the planet, but give in to a few jobs that will destroy it.

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Lurline Mcculloch
October 5th, 2007

I am totally disgusted with the State govt. - the Federal Minister for the Environment (Minister for WHAT?) - and the Shadow Minister for the environment.
Are they totally deaf to the pleas of the majority of the Tasmanian people that they LEAVE OUR FORESTS ALONE?!
We want no more wood-chipping at all. We want no more streams of massive wood trucks on our roads, endangering us and tourists alike. Limited saw-milling is of course acceptable and always has been.
We KNOW that the so-called enquiries and scientific reports were nowhere near comprehensive enough.
Why do you treat us as though we are stupid, and will believe ANY spin?
Check the polls - and ignore the majority of the people's wishes at your own peril!

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mark finch
October 5th, 2007

world's best practise?? at what? destruction and profit margins?

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Michael Burton
October 5th, 2007

How can Turnbull go from addressing an international summit on Climate Change calling for the need to preserve native forests one day to approving a plan which will see the destruction of such forests the next? Is he all posturing and no substance?

Why cant we simply use plantatations to meet our paper needs?

How can Garrett so meekly agree? My preferences were never going to flow to Liberal, but now you can be sure that they wont flow to Labor either.

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Bill Hall
October 5th, 2007

The obscenity of the pulp mill must be stopped, if for no other reason than the world's respect! History will view this fiasco as Turnbull's Folly and other peoples across the globe will see and say the Australian people are more interested in money than the health of the planet, a view that will, without doubt, damage our standing internationally; in quick step with our failure to sign the Kyoto Protocol. I want Australia to be a world leader in care for the earth, I believe our stewardship is vital and of world value and a positive and healthy way to move forward into an uncertain future. Climate health before greed...!

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David Richardson
October 5th, 2007

I read in the SMH this morning that the mill is only "viable" for Gunns because of massive federal & state government funding.

Notwithstanding the pathetic stance of both the Government & Opposition to the effective destruction of the northern Tasmanian environment & marine ecology, this is yet another blatant use of taxpayers funds to prop up an uneconomic business.

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Peter Trollope
October 5th, 2007

If you want to boycott Gunns then there is a list of there businesses on their website http://www.gunns.com.au/ Also ANZ bank is a major financier and many of our superannuation funds invest heavily in them through managed investment schemes. If your concerned ring your super fund and ask them if they invest in these schemes.

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Keith Ralfs
October 5th, 2007

Quite simply the pulp mill should not go ahead unless it can be proved that
1 Is minimu carbon neutral or better still carbon negative from seed planting to delivery at receiving port
2 Uses no Chlorine at all for processing
3 Plants 3 native trees to replace every single tree removed
4 Invests 50% of profits in alternative energy (such as wind) to replace current energy sources
5 Has no residues or waste contaminating either the river or atmosphere
6 Invests 10% of income in research into none tree based pulp production for paper-making
7 Where ever possible Tasmania should be preserved as a pristine environment
8 More employment could be created via none wood pulp industries, such as wind turbine manufacture

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Dr Lee W Andresen
October 5th, 2007

Your comment

Years ago we wrote "NO DAMS" on our federal election voting papers and the world changed for the better. What shall we all write this time? "NO PULP MILL"? Who will organise the campaign?

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October 5th, 2007

Why on earth do we need a mill at all?
Its ridiculous that we are cutting down old growth forests- at the same time expecting the developing world not to.
The fact that it is being subsidised by the state and federal governments appalls me.

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Janette Hynes
October 5th, 2007

I don't care how many environmental controls are placed on the mill, I will not be convinced that this project is not motivated by a desire to benefit a minority group - mainly big business and shareholders' profiteering. Peoplepower stopped the Franklin Dam project, we can do it again.

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Susan
October 5th, 2007

How many pieces of paper do we need to save, reuse, recycle to not need the mill?

Every time a dame is proposed we at least know (usually) the alternate option.

Or is this all about selling paper offshore for more GDP?

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Louise Dyer
October 5th, 2007

This is an appalling decision at a time when the world is abuzz with the talk of global warming, poor air quality, pollution, etc. We know trees are the lungs of the world and also that old growth forests are the habitat of many species, some endangered, that have the right to share the world with us. Gunn has no soul and is only after profit, they will leave bare unproductive land when they are finished and the trees and the animals will be gone forever. What criminal foolishness!!!

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Noelle Rattray
October 5th, 2007

If anyone is tempted to feel the new stringent guidelines make this pulp mill OK now - think again! These conditions ONLY relate to Commonwealth issues.

NO MONITORED IMPACTS are going to be done on our forests, the air pollution, the Tasmanian waters and their flora and fauna, the impact of log trucks on our roads and wildlife,or any other State jurisdictional matters.

Paul Lennon cannot heal the rift in Tasmania - he would have to get out of bed with John Gay, get dressed in clean clothes and address his responsibilities to the people - not the boardrooms.

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Christopher James Aitchison
October 5th, 2007

I feel devastated, not only for quickly diminishing native forests of Tasmania, but also for Mr Garrett. Mr Garrett knows very well that the best way to 'add value to our forest estate' is to preserve it and not pulp it. Give us an opposition who will oppose developments like this wretched mill - developments that diminish the lives of the many for the financial benefit of a few - and we may just give it Government.

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Peter Hood
October 5th, 2007

This mill can be stopped. We should put pressure on the ANZ bank not to grant the funds. Also make this an election issue and support those candidates who will support the environment. The Tamar valley is not the place for this mill. There are other alternatives.
It's a disagrace that we knock down old growth forests for wood chips.
I can just see GUNNS complying with all the conditions!!!!
Keep fighting until it is stopped. Remember Franklin??

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maryanne mckay
October 5th, 2007

When we are facing such a dramatic climate tragedy, it is so pathetic to approve the largest pulpmill ever in Aust. This is the Govt and opposition acting with such disregard to the whole community. Peter Garett, what a disappointment politics buys anyone. I will not be voting for labour I have been erring. Thanks to the Get Up program I am much the wiser.

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neal ames
October 5th, 2007

Saying something is "worlds best practice" is a pointless and misleading statement. If something causes damage to our ecosystems then it doesnt matter whether it is the best practice in the world, it is still causing damage.

I have been a liberal voter for all my life. I live in a safe liberal seat in Queesland. This is a world issue. I will be wasting my vote and voting Greens.

There will be no jobs on a dead planet.

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Lisa Armstrong-Cook
October 5th, 2007

I have been a regular visitor to Tasmania for over 10 years and would one day like to make it my home. Why? Because of its beautiful, peaceful, CLEAN environment. Yet with each return visit, that dream is slowly diminishing. This beautiful place is slowly being destoyed by the likes of Gunns, aided and abetted by unfeeling governments who think more of the dollar than of life itself.

I have seen the fogs which descend upon the Tamar and they are very pretty. But it is fog. Harmless. To think that the next time I visit I would not be breathing in the sweet Tasmanian air, but would be inhaling Gunns pollution sickens me. And for what? For wood chips and wood pulp to produce things which can easily be created from recycled products. In the process we lose the very thing for which Tasmania is world-renowned - it's world-heritage environment. A pulp mill is a pulp mill - irrespective of its 'Green' credentials. Its very existence signals the unecessary destruction of the environment in which we live, breathe, grow our food and raise our children.

The Federal and Tasmanian State governments should hang their heads in shame at the legacy they are leaving the people of Tasmania (and, indeed, Australia), and the people of the Tamar Valley in particular. Next time I get a glossy package from John Howard advertising his government's 'achievements' I will silently grieve the loss borne by Tasmania in the process of its making. And I will then toss it where it belongs. In the recycling bin.

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Linda Zibell
October 5th, 2007

I am bitterly disappointed to see permission given to reduce magnificent trees to rubbish for consumers, contrary to the need of our country to reduce CO2 and to increase indigenous vegetation, particularly trees.

Shame on you Malcolm Turnbull, shame on you Liberal party, shame on you John Howard. Our country has lost 50% of its indigenous vegetation. It is the worst in the developed world for land clearing and the worst country for endangered and threatened species. Where is the sense in this decision?

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Jamie Smith
October 5th, 2007

I went down to Tassie recently and went for a drive through what once was old growth forest.
At the top of a hill I looked out at miles and miles of devastation.
Yes people need jobs but this is just madness.
The Greens will get my vote.

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Ina Mulli
October 5th, 2007

Garrett, we were thrilled when you stood for our seat. Where are you now? GetUp, what does the Australian Conservation Foundation say about this mill?
2031 residents.

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Emma Marro
October 5th, 2007

whether government spends $1 or 10 billion dollars absolutely NO ELABORATE ADVERTISWING WILL SWAY ME. i look for ACTIONS AND PROMISES ACHIEVED by politicians/government.

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Marilla North
October 5th, 2007

We are desperate for men and women of Vision.
Our country and the World are at risk from rapacious greed, war mongering and the close relationship between the Arms industry barons, the oil industry sheiks, the woodchip moguls and the politicians.
Vision takes courage.
Courage to stand up for principles and for a sustainable environment. STAND UP AND BE COUNTED PETER GARRETT. We expect Malcolm Turnbull to stick up for Money versus the Common Good and the old growth forests ... but NOT the man who sang The Beds are Burning.

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Nancy Parker
October 5th, 2007

Another example of the Federal Government's inability to create any policies for a sustainable future. I'm disappointed that Federal Labour also seems determined to follow short term political gain. What a disaster for Australia! I'm so terribly sad we have no leaders with the wisdom and courage to prevent this destruction. I apologise to future generations for the mess we are leaving you.

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Katherine Lyall-Watson
October 5th, 2007

I am appalled at both parties' decision to go ahead with this mill. What's going to feed the mill? What's the raw source of the pulp going to be?
Old growth native forest.
This is the most sickening, short-sighted and greedy political decision.
You've just lost my vote, Rudd. I'll be voting Green.

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Craig
October 5th, 2007

Gunns does not even rate on Corporate Responsibility index. This company seems not answerable to anyone but it's own greed, in some respects you can call it the "Blackwater" of Australia.


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October 5th, 2007

You cannot consider the pulp mill in isolation it must be considered along with the effect on the forests, the harvesting of which will reduce our carbob sequestration capability and this must also be taken into account. Where are the private plantations they refer to ? .

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Paul de Burgh-Day
October 5th, 2007

This has been one giant con job - by the Lennongrab government, and by a subservient (to Howard) Malcolm Turnbull. As for Peter Garrett. How does he sleep at night?

The media are wrong in claiming that Gunns and the governments have won. In doing so, they have swallowed the fiction that the mill has been given a big scientific tick. They have chosen to ignore the facts.
Even the RPDC assessment was not addressing all the environmental considerations. When that was torpedoed by Gunns, Paul Gunn (oops! Lennon), set up a fastrack process that eliminated almost key environmental assessments.
Malcolm Turnbull's brief was limited to only a handful of environmental factors that came under Commonwealth legislation - a tiny fraction of the environmental big picture. He deployed the governments chief scientist to deal just with an extremely brief.

This is being portrayed as giving an 'pure science' big tick of approval to all the environmental issue that SHOULD have been addressed.
THIS IS A FRAUD!

If this proposal had been subjected to a complete and proper scientific assessment - it could never have been approved.

Approval (in reality, a foregone rigged conclusion) does not construct the mill.
No finance has been approved. Gunns' bankers, the ANZ, will now consider the viability of what is proposed in the context of the conditions imposed.
Attention should now focus on the ANZ - they must be held to the environmental and sustainability position they have been promoting.

Recent shockwaves through the global finance and credit industries were only the beginning of a massive implosion of economies - not least the USA - and the whole banking system. I must say that I would not want to be looking to a bank - or any other affordable financier - to put upwards of 2bn on the table to build what would be - in reality - a globally uncompetitive pulp mill in Tasmania!

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Geoff Tosio
October 5th, 2007

It's obvious that corporate money has a stranglehold on our political system, there is just no way this mill should pass with such overwhelming public opposition and negative scientific opinion.
Keep track of the people who have fought for and against this mill Tasmania, because as the election pans out I hope that there will be a turn around. And when the Gunns supporters run for cover we will need to hold every one of them accountable.
This doesn't just border on boundaries between right and wrong, it's completely immoral.
This doesn't just border on legal boundaries either - it's a denial of free speech and our democratic process.
Shame on you Malcolm Turnbull!!

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Tom Coyle
October 5th, 2007

I never thought I would ever see a time when I didnt vote labor, thanks a bunch Peter. I consider your rollover on the Pulp Mill obnoxious and you are certainly not worthy of my vote, the Labor party has gone from the best thing happening to same same me too in just a few months, Im depressed and angry with you.

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emma
October 5th, 2007

when are short sighted greedy governments going to learn that it is not about "your patch" anymore, you are making decisions which effect the globe. this pristine wilderness is one of very few remaining in the world, why be known as one of the 'slash and burn' politicians that took away the last remaining piece of nature Australia had to offer. its a sad day in the history books and Malcolm your name is tarnishing our landscape!

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Marguerite Marshall
October 5th, 2007


But how can a mill which will destroy 200,000ha of magnificent forest, 500 times whats being protected, be worlds best practice? How can a mill that pumps effluent, albeit less than it might, into a pristine environment be worlds best practice? How can a mill that adds 10 million tonnes of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere every year be worlds best practice?


This campaign is not over. The people of Australia do not want this pulp mill and we will continue to campaign against this decision.

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tony campbell
October 5th, 2007

I live in the electorate of Kingsford Smith, and have been a labour voter for all of my 32 voting years. Not any more.I am so ashamed of our sitting federal member.Peter Garrett and the Labour party's stance in support of the pulp mill. How can someone with his environmental credientials turn on us like this. I would like to believe he is just attempting to blindside rednecks to get their votes, but I sadly feel that what Bob Brown has said about Mr Garrett being done over by the Labour party is true. So sad,so dissappointing,so my vote's off to Greens land.

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mark johnson
October 5th, 2007

"world's toughest environmental standards", oh dear, Howard staff (oh yes all in that gormless party are merely his staff) just can't help but lie can they? Firstly countries like Sweden, Finland, and Denmanrk have much more stringent controls of dioxine outflow levels, and secondly Peter Hartcher's article today in the Sydney morning herald exposes the sham that Turnbull's "process was and is".

As for Garrett, God help you Peter as you have to sacrifice principle so to prevent Howard and his legion of the screaming banshees from playing with their wedges. Hopefully one day we can see you as the man of principle we know you to truly be, when the Howard government and the Liberal party is but a gruesome memory.

Greens, thankyou for not everbeing ashamed of principle, and sticking it to these Howard bastards! One piece of sham legislation won't prevent the success of the long term campaign.

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Alisa Wortley
October 5th, 2007

The cutting down of old growth forests is irresponsible and dangerous to the environment generally - and despite the rhetoric of leading Politicians, they are NOT replaceable. There are severe environmental imbalances caused by replacing diverse old-growth forests, that have working, integrated eco-systems, with plantations of only 1 or 2 types of trees. This paves the way for disease and insect infestation amongst other thing & can culminate in the destruction of entire species. Using the plantations we already have is great - but cutting down old forests to plant new ones is so far beyond wrong it's not funny. These are NOT 'big picture' people we have running our country.

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rob butchart
October 5th, 2007

Wrong technology, try Swedens, seems a lot better to me.

Short term greed seems to be the flavour of the decades in australian politics!

Who was the bloke who said "Forgive them for they know not what they do"?

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Ron
October 5th, 2007

I have rung my superannuation plan people and made sure they do not put any of my super money in Gunns or the ANZ, please help and do the same.....

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Tim Mintern
October 5th, 2007

I have been a Labour voter for forty yeas. I will be voting for the Greens in the Senate.

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Eric Oppel
October 5th, 2007

For those people wishing to boycott Gunns products,
here is some information obtained from their own website which may be useful.
It seems they own the following retail outlets......
Gunns Mitre 10 at Launceston, Devonport, Ulverstone and Port Sorell. Also George Town Mitre 10, Pineworld Youngtown, Devonport Timber and Hardware and Burnie Timber.
In addition to this they own Tamar Ridge Wines, who also make Devil's Corner Wines and there is a construction company known as Hinman Wright & Manser (Gunns Constructions) a division of Gunns Limited.
For those who wish to enquire further, they have a corporate enquiry page on their website at http://www.gunns.com.au/corporate/enquire.html

Lets all let them know we don't want this vandalism!!!!!!


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October 5th, 2007


well you may be surprised to know that there are tasmanians who actually want this mill. I think we may be in the silent majority as we who want work for our citizens and want our children to stay on the island care about the balance or work and wilderness and just go quitetly about our daily business.
45 percent of Tasmania is locked up in national parks, can other states say that.
I would ask you all out there to really find out the facts.
Also the old growth will not be used only plantation forests.Logging will go ahead with or without a pulp mill.
This area has always been zoned as industrial.
The process has been going on for four years.
Tasmania cannot live on tourisim alone, how many of you who live on the mainland have ever been here i would be very interested to know if you have helped our tourisim.
Do you use paper in your printer do you use writing paper etc. Is it better to have the Pulp made in australia than sent off shore.
You on the mainland have to realise that we need to work and have jobs the same as everyone else.
Our Premier is 5th generation Tasmanian and only wants the best for working famillies.
I as a tasmanian beleive that this should only be a Tasmanian issue.

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Malu Hall
October 5th, 2007

Your comment: Please, please, start listening to the people of Australia! They are the ones who need your support. I've always been made to believe that our politicians are "OUR" servants, not Our Masters! Why should we be forced to vote, when we don't agree with what is being done to Us, Our Children & Grandchildren, Our Homes, Our Land, and Our way of Life? We are being made to vote for the Lesser of Two Evils! So Everyone take heed!
Malu Hall

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Adrian Glamorgan
October 5th, 2007

On the plus side we have better conditions, but on the negative side, the wrong place for a mill. Why are the government and opposition so content to allow a mill to be placed in a beautiful valley, where the stench and bioaccumulating dioxins represent a concern for local residents and food producers and consumers?

Many of us have admired Peter Garrett for what he stood for in the past, and many of us understood there was a mephistophelean bargain involved in him signing up for Labor (a party that preferenced the Nationals ahead of him in 1984) - but now it's clear who's used whom. He might be seeking power, but his role in the Labor party has diminished his credibility.

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tony campbell
October 5th, 2007

Forgot to mention that Peter Garrett will be doing whistlestops to meet & greet his Kingsford Smith constituents this Sat 6th October at:Cnr Mount St. and Clovelly Rd. 9am-10.30am and 11am-12.30pm at Coogee Beach Plaza Coogee. Perhaps he can tell us in person why he has sold himself and and his constituents out.

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Stockley Arnold Ward
October 5th, 2007

If Peter Garrett was still president of the Australian Conservation Foundation I doubt that he would approve of the pulp mill. It is unfortunate that starry-eyed new members of parliament become victims of the party machine. I note that The Greens are still sticking to their principles in opting for fair treatment to the environment and the people and other life forms that dwell therein.

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chris evans
October 5th, 2007

i'm voting for the other guy! what's the point of you have a nice mill, if you chop down all the forest!

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October 5th, 2007

A couple of questions; was Turnbull previously employed by a US major, a Pharmaceutical Company ? Is he still ? If so, could this possibly influence his judgement & decision-making ?
Why has Garrett suddenly become silent ? Or does becoming a labour man require emasculation ?

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Shane Wood
October 5th, 2007

It would seem that news reports today have done much to undermine Mr Turnbull's claim that this mill will work under 'world's best practice'. In one breath the owners say that these are very stringent impositions on their operation but that they will be able to address them and start building the mill in the next few weeks!
Something is not quite right here. There is still no answer to the cutting down of trees and the need for this industry to restructure and retrain its employees so that they can find employment elsewhere.
If Gunns want to go somewhere else - call their bluff and let them go.

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Jackie Delaney
October 5th, 2007

This issue is a clear example of why to vote Green and not Labor. Peter Garrett, former environmental rock star turned opportunistic politician (exactly why did he join Labor and not the Greens?) should hang his head in shame. My vote is going to the Greens - the only party with any principles.

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Helen Lewers
October 5th, 2007

Malcolm Turnbull - There's not a lot we can expect in relation to the environment from a government that is so closely allied in both principle and practice to Big Business. So - you have failed to deliver proper protection to the environment, and happily commit to a huge CO2-emitting fiasco. Just stop pretending! All the spin and buzz words won't make up for the betrayal of your portfolio. We know you made your millions woodchipping a Pacific Island. Why would you do any differently now?

Peter Garrett - shame on you! You have really sold out your once high ideals.

"...Of course the environmental impact of this mill is really important, and I would uphold these conditions vigorously if granted the privilege to serve in a Rudd Labor Govt..." How easy it is for you to say all that! The environmental impact is not just "important", it's devastating. The environment is about to be devastated. Once there is a pulp mill in place, which of the big parties will have the courage to close it down? Going by the ease with which you have relinquished your former green credentials Peter,(as head of the ACF), you're not going to stand up to Gunns in a hurry. You were a big catch for the ALP - now you just tow the party line.

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Rose & Michael Lappin
October 5th, 2007

Pollitical expediency versus scientific research!!! Who cares what effect this will have on future generations of Tasmanians as well as my Grandchildren on the main land and their fellow Aussies!!!! Is power, position, and the enforcement of neo-conservatism that important to you.
I dedicated 35 years of my life serving in the Aust Army, including tours of Vietnam and East Timor because I care about my country. What suffering do you carry with you Mr Howard and your colleagues?? Whilst you are polluting our environment take my 10 medals which I have received for my suffering and pulp them too. They no longer remind me of the Aussie ethos my Gallipoli heroes fought for.

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Jonathan Doig
October 5th, 2007

So where are Malcolm and Peter's responses to these comments?

While they're at it, how about responding to the Greens' vision for a sustainable pulp mill:
http://www.christinemilne.org.au/files/releases/PulpMillguidelines240807.pdf

Why can't we have one of those? And if the answer is that sustainability is uneconomical, then what does that say about the current proposal, or the current "economy" for that matter?

This "business as usual" approach will be the death of us.

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jilly robinson
October 5th, 2007

Children and Earth are PRICELESS.

Let's keep them healthy.

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Tim Dunn
October 5th, 2007

Dear Malcolm,

I visited the Gunns operation in the the deep dark forest...I witnessed Celery Top pines being pushed over and burnt to make way for the plantations...I spoke to timber workers who are afraid of speaking out against Gunns...and afraid of their long term future...they were sickened by the holocaust in the forest and couldnt see how they would have a job in 10 years as the process became more automated.

I also talked to some conservationists who where also bullied by Gunns into silence...with death threats, physical violence and legal action...

And now they are in Western Australia trying to do the same tactics.

I have worked in the timber industry and I see our forests as a treasure beyond pricing...if we stopped selling them at bargain basement prices and harvested only craftwood the price would go through the roof...and the money would go back into the communities lucky enough to have forests.

Denmark in Western Australia was once a Timber Town and now makes a lot of its annual profit through tourism...people actually come to see the trees because big ones are very,very rare. There are more jobs now then there ever was and by sustaining its forests, Denmark is sustaining its future.

I put it to you, Malcolm Turnbull to turn this craziness around and say no to the kickbacks...stand up for our future and our childrens future!

THERE ARE MANY ALTERNATIVES...

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Margery Postlethwaite
October 5th, 2007

OLD GROWTH FORESTS AND A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT ARE FOREVER. PULP MILLS ONLY SATISFY PEOPLE AND THEIR JOBS NOW. WE MUST THINK OF THE FUTURE OF THE WORLD.

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Cheryl M
October 5th, 2007

I hope somebody in Peter Garret's electorate organizes a campaign against him. Absolutely disgraceful me -tooism. You don't need to be too bright to know paper can be cheaply and efficiently produced from plants cropped on an annual basis. It is unbelievable that native forests (that should be a resource to us all preserving biodiversity and keeping carbon locked up) handed over as a gift to Gunns. Pulping forests does not make sense. Wood and people are both valuable resources - timber jobs should be value adding in a real and sensible way - not a few jobs steadily diminishing in an automated mill. It is time this country got a government really willing to value its resources and its people and work for our future. I will be voting for independents or small party candidates ahead of the Liberal/Labor coalition.

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Eric Oppel
October 5th, 2007

Just found that Gunns have another website for retail which also lists Gunns Timber Hobart, as well as Gunns Betta Electrical and Gunns Kitchens and Bathrooms!!!!
More stores we can boycott!!!!!
Info found here.... http://www.gunnsretail.com/?Locations=H&TZ=1191557766&H=c00fa328117401aca6e36c63ca51ce04

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terry thorp
October 5th, 2007

we don't need this pulp mill ,the people don't want it. stop this destruction of our precious forests.save the wildlife and trees.

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Bing So
October 5th, 2007

The proposed mill maybe the worlds best practise, but it is not good enough when it kills people and damages a pristine environment in a big way, and it just does not make sense. Yes, Australians are concerned with job creation in the forest industry (these people do need a job and a decent living) but that should not be at the expense of the same number of jobs in the tourism and other clean industry in the Tamar valley. Tourism is also an industry of the future and these people equally deserve a job and decent living. This mill divides the community and puts one set of people against another fighting for their livelyhoods. It does not make sense and is terribly unaustralian. If Tasmania needs the mill for the forest industry, it does not have to be the biggest in the world (why are we so hung up with being the biggest and best in the world? Is this our inferiority complex ?) nor does it have to be in the pristine Tamar Valley. It maybe economically sustainable, but culturally and environmentally it is definitely not sustainable, and by all accepted definition, it is not sustainable development. It seems that both Liberals and Labor are equally illiterate on this issue.

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David Gervas
October 5th, 2007

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In his endorsement of this pulp mill, Peter Garrett has made it clear to me that there is no point voting for either of the two dinosaur parties if you care about our environment.

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Christine Ross
October 5th, 2007

My mother, father and grandfather were labour voters and I was once a 'true believer' but no more. I can't believe you Peter Garrett, after all you said you stood for. I don't expect anything better from the Liberals. What will we breath when the old trees are gone? They absorb tons of CO2 and they are habitat for so many species. It is not just a Tassie issue, it is an issue for anyone in this world that believes in preserving biodiversity and a world with clean air for our children.

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Judy Holmes
October 5th, 2007

Environment, health, peace, lifestyle are all being threatened by these greedy mill builders, not to mention the magnificent forests where more timber is to be harvested. How can they do it ? with the help and support of both Labor and Liberal parties, thats how. Lets support the Greens at least they value the environment within which we Australians are so lucky to live.

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Shaun Newman
October 5th, 2007

This is a political decision that has backfired on Turnbull as it should. I believe Peter Garrett should take the lead here and denounce it. The ALP stopped the Franklin Dam in the 80's it's time for the ALP to act once again to protect the Tasmanian wilderness especially native forests.

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Judy Holmes
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Environment, health, peace, lifestyle are all being threatened by these greedy mill builders, not to mention the magnificent forests where more timber is to be harvested. How can they do it ? with the help and support of both Labor and Liberal parties, thats how. Lets support the Greens at least they value the environment within which we Australians are so lucky to live.

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Melissa Darnley
October 5th, 2007

Peter Garrett, your support of this environmental disaster means we will now be certainly voting for the Greens!

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Steve Biddulph
October 5th, 2007

Its the sellout by Peter Garrett that most disgusts us here in Tasmania.
To talk about "adding value to our forest estate" as he does is grossly inaccurate. Gunns have an undisclosed contract (commercial in confidence is the language used) with the Lennon government at which the price of timber floats to keep them viable, it can go down to nothing if world pulp prices fall. These are OUR forests, and their value is in carbon storage, clean water and air, tourism, and value timbers. Chipping or pulping is not adding value, they have more value to the earth's climate crisis just standing in the ground. We now suspect Garrett was always a fraud, having a career ride on pretended environmentalism, first to sell records, and now to advance himself. The ACF, his former employer, is strongly and convincingly against the mill.

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David Abbott
October 5th, 2007

The thinking which underlies The State and Federal governments' approval of the pulp mill is the thinking that will destroy this little green and blue planet before very much longer. It is business as usual thinking: making money, maximising profits, using existing technologies, resource-intensive industry, political deals hidden from the people. Our only possible hope lies in the parallel universe the opposition to this mill live in: adequate not excessive income and profit, truly sustainable techologies, resource-renewing economic activity, and open democracy. In the latter lies hope, a universe in which more humans are worthwhile. In the former, the sad message must be: it's time to stop having children, the planet is dying.

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Julie Williams
October 5th, 2007

Stop the pulp mill! Keep the Tamar Valley clean and healthy

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Heather Lauterbach
October 5th, 2007

The way this pulp mill has been discussed, one would think there is no other avenue for industry in Tasmania apart from the growing and chopping down of trees. Climate change is horrifyingly real and yet government and industry seem hell bent on exacerbating the situation. Demonstrate some imagination and leadership and develop renewable energy rather than continue to focus on old ways which have got us into this mess.

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Robyn Woods
October 5th, 2007

I am disgusted that the terms of reference given to the Chief Scientist to evaluate the environmental impact of the mill were allowed.
I am disgusted that the Chief Scientist hid behind his 'brief' without question. As a scientist, I am well aware of being independent of agenda setting and the Chief Scientist has allowed that very thing to override his recommendation.
I am disgusted that the labour party and Peter Garrett in particular have sold out the Australian people. I am not surprised that John Howard and Malcolm Turnbull have done so.
How can the logging of so-called 'new growth' forests that may be 150 years old be justified on any count? Clearly this wasn't part of the Chief Scientist's brief. Why wasn't the nett effect on CO2 output included in the equation?
This should not be a political issue but one above politics - it is for our environmental health, as a population, as a country and as a planet.

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Andrew Harris
October 5th, 2007

I am lucky enough to have lived in the Tamar Valley - a beautiful part of the world - I grew up rowing about and fishing through my summer holidays. I agree with the opponents of the mill that there is just too much at risk.

I also know that it's not that simple - I've lived in remote Victorian 'timber towns', where the industry was in decline and have seen first hand how difficult it can be to balance development and conservation.

In the end, it is down to a community's resolve to find a better way. At the moment I know that many Tasmanians have a feeling that they are being told how to manage things by folk on the mainland and that's creating a negative sentiment, but long term we all have to let go of this 'growth at all cost' mentality - it is simply not sustainable. In the Tamar valley, the pulp mill is the bone of contention, here in Melbourne, it's desalination plants, freeways, water pipelines, high density residential developments. Tasmanians needn't feel they are alone in struggling with this equation... we are all doing it.

Until we, as a community say 'enough is enough', that we'd rather take a little longer to get to work than build another freeway, or as a wider community reject a perceived short term employment opportunity for some other more sustainable way forward, we will continue to lose the precious things in our lives that don't appear on a balance sheet.

I don't want that, and I doubt you do either.

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Richard Lester
October 5th, 2007

Why was the greenhouse gas impact of the pulp mill not considered as part of the environmental assessment? They will cause far more damage than the dioxins and other nasties (which should have been enough to stop the mill on their own). Any future government must ensure that the mill is carbon neutral from the turning of the first sod.

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margot foster
October 5th, 2007

but where will the trees come from to feed this mill?

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Bobbie Oliver
October 5th, 2007

People can fume and fulminate all they like but its money that speaks to people like Gunns. A few of you have mentioned boycotting Gunns' products. Good. I would never buy anything produced by Gunns. Can we boycott the use of paper? Difficult but undoubtedly possible. As for the ANZ (which I don't bank with) are you who do, prepared to go to the inconvenience of withdrawing your money and your mortgages if they underwrite this mill? I hope so. Take a leaf out of Gandhi's book and consider modern Australian ways to 'wear khadi'.

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Greg Carman
October 5th, 2007

We all need to ensure that environmental issues are given full and unbiased consideration. I'm not at all sure that is what has happened.

Give us transparency not political-speak! We deserve nothing less.

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Stephen Morgan
October 5th, 2007

I recall in a PBS discussion in the lead up to the 2004 US Presidential Election primaries, a commentator observing that Howard Dean, regardless of his popularity, could not get the Democratic nomination, because he didn't have the fund-raising capabilities of more mainstream contenders. This was in spite of polling that indicated at the time that Dean was the only Democrat with the ability to beat George W Bush.

Money politics is controlled by the most spurious of Golden Rules - that he who has the gold, makes the rules. Spending the public purse on political opinion advertising, no matter what the cause or the persuasion, is part of that slide.

I might be of a "left wing" persuasion, as most Get Up activists probably are, but if it smells, and feels, and tastes like pork, then no matter who is cooking, it probably is!

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Stephen McDonald
October 5th, 2007

I'd expect the Liberals to support big business whatever the cost to the environment, but there's no excuse for the ALP's response. As for Peter Garrett, what a total sell-out!

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Dianne Wolfer
October 5th, 2007

Your comment
It seems so shortsighted to place a mill in this beautiful location. Besides it being morally wrong, in the long term, surely maintaining the purity of water/air/wildlife in the Tamar will provide more long-term job security for Tasmanians.

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Ingrid Neilson
October 5th, 2007

Malcom, your response is utterly predictable.

Peter, your response is just devastating.

Christine, if only your people were in power, then Australians could again be proud.

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Francesca Massey
October 5th, 2007

Please Mister Turnbull, please do not let this happen. I moved from the UK to get away from this.

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Sandra Betts
October 5th, 2007

It appears both major political parties are only interested in the election. I do not see them providing any stand on principles, democratic rights or real scientific evidence. Although the Chief Scientist has no doubt made a thorough investigation, such examination has only been in a limited frame of reference.
I have driven over many roads in less populated areas of Tasmania, through what appears to be many kilometers of beautiful forests. When we stopped to look more closely, we were aghast to discover that behind a wall of trees at the road, there was NOTHING all the way to the horizon. Just the evidence of clear felling. The landscape looked like a Nuclear Holocaust had occurred.
Is this what we want for this country, and for Tasmania.
Why is it that a company like Gunns has such sway over both sides of politics? Why does the population allow any of its representatives to only act on behalf of such a business?

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Roe Sybylla
October 5th, 2007

Peter Garrett,
How can you dare claim to care for the environment when you go along with such huge destruction of forests? How can you pretend to be concerned with global warming when you have nothing more constructive to offer than "Me Too"?
How can a mill which will destroy 200,000ha of magnificent forest, 500 times what's being protected, pretend to be a good thing?
More long-term and sustainable jobs can come from Tasmania's potential as a clean green producer and as a beutiful place to visit. Please treat Australian voters with respect.

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p. McCarthy
October 5th, 2007

The underlying terror in this decision to allow the pulp mill is the contol which Gunn's and the timberunions are able to exercise over the State and Federal political scene The culture of Tasmania's reliance on the timber dollar has got to change. The emphasis on ecotourism and alternative passive non degrading employment sources must be expanded and Labour Government in Tasmania must see that the future lies not in invasive pollutive industry but in industry which community driven, clean and able to return investment back into it's natural and cultural habitat.
Say no to Labour's state and federal sellout
Say no to coalition sellout of community interests
Sat yes to an expanded and ideologically stronger Greens in your electorate.

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Tom Bickley
October 5th, 2007

There are voters who feel the effects of bad policies and have been hurt by them. It's the growing per cent of swinging voters with no party loyalties who punish bad government policies by supporting and voting for the opposition, watch out Mr. Deputy Sheriff.

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Alison Gordon
October 5th, 2007

I am definitely against the mill. Long term destruction for short term profit. Whats going on?

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Lynne Tocher
October 5th, 2007

I am totally ashamed of being an Australian ! When two major political parties in this country, which was once a democracy submit to big business that will cause the death of many animals, denude Tasmania of it's old growth forest it is time
to consider just where we are going, a pox on both of you !
We are flying in the face of logic & this country deserves all that is coming to it. "As you sow, so shall you reap!

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RIchard Barton
October 5th, 2007

Our governments subsidise the Tas logging industry to the tune of between $150 - $250 million each year on average. In return Gunns posts a profit of $75 million, clearfells our forests, napalms the remaining land and animals, converts our food production areas to tree plantations and runs the Tasmanian government.

We must stop this destructive tax subsidised industry.

STOP THE SUBSIDIES and we'll stop Gunns!!!

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Bill Joyce
October 5th, 2007

The approval of this pulp mill is appalling. It will seriously polute the local area, is inappropriately subsidized, and will strip trees we should be saving and increasing to reduce carbon in the air.

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maureen Piper
October 5th, 2007

Peter Garret .... You sold your soul. What will you now take with you into eternity?

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Alan Wells
October 5th, 2007

Where is the real Peter Garrrett, the once respected environmentalist? Swallowed up by the political machines??

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Kathleen Smith
October 5th, 2007

In his comment the Chief Scientis noted that there was no way of determining the long-term impact of the mill on the environment. The long-term is what it is all about.
What will the Government do when the seals return a high level of dioxins; close the mill down? The mill is not worlds best practice if it can't ensure that it will not pollute the environment permanently.

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Kathleen Smith
October 5th, 2007

In his comment the Chief Scientis noted that there was no way of determining the long-term impact of the mill on the environment. The long-term is what it is all about.
What will the Government do when the seals return a high level of dioxins; close the mill down? The mill is not worlds best practice if it can't ensure that it will not pollute the environment permanently.

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Sheryl Gwyther
October 5th, 2007

Once again it's been shown we can't trust politicians. I fully expected Howard's government to care more about money making than the environment of the Tamar River valley but unfortunately the Labor Party is worrying more about a vocal minority of timber workers and their families in northern Tasmania. Where's your courage, Peter and Kevin? This pulp mill is NOT going to operate under a world's best practice at all - that's clever spin-doctoring - look at what is achieved in Swedish pulp mills for a comparison. I feel sorry for the people who live in the area - and for the sealife and the wildlife which will suffer. The mill should not go ahead in this part of Tasmania! As for the Tasmanian Labor Party - you and your leader disgust me. Shame on you - may your children carry your burden of guilt into the future!

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Simon Hasleton
October 5th, 2007

Of course Turnbull approved the mill. If he hadn't, he might well have been elected in Wentworth, and then have to spend the next three years looking at a triumphant ALP, and on his side, a snarling rump of rancorous backstabbers.. This way he gets to go back to his own, in the fat end of town - with what passes for 'honour' in Liberal circles.
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Trevor Larke
October 5th, 2007

This is a foolhardy and reckless decision driven by dollars and jobs for an industry heavily subsdised by native forests at a community cost many times more than made by Gunns.Our 2 party system is letting the population down.Where is their reasoning when we should be nuturing our forests and natural ecosystems.Shame on Garret,he has sold out and shame on Turnbull for hiding behind selective science.Well done the Greens,a party for the future.

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Jack Firrell
October 5th, 2007

DON'T build the mill in the Tamar Valley, build it near Queenstown, plenty of timber around there

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patricia hollis
October 5th, 2007

No mill in the Tamar Valley. Particlarly because of the impact on surrounding businesses, vineyards, b&bs — people trying to make an honest living and incidentally, attracting more visitors and more money to this beautiful island.

What about the native forests? The state of our roads. The air quality in the Tamar Valley. Not addressed by any scientific review. That's what we need urgently, before any further work on the pulp mill.

Put it at Burnie, they want it there. Tasmania would still have a pulp mill, Burnie would have much-needed employment oportunities and the exquisite Tamar Valley will remain as it is, a magnet for visitors.

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Mark Berriman
October 5th, 2007

I stood for the seat of Kingsford-Smith in the Federal election of 1990. Unlike the present incumbent, I would not have voted for this environmental catastrophe.

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Gareth Spurling
October 5th, 2007

Our government is being slowly dragged, kicking and screaming, to recognise that there might be environmental issues.

Only votes against these policies of blatant environmental vsandalism will change political attitude.

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drew nichols
October 5th, 2007

Chlorine bleach is far from best practice, and burning native forest to power this industrial white elephant is ludicrous.

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Patricia Hale
October 5th, 2007

What I am clear about is that I am totally opposed to any forestry industry in Tasmania.

I am clear that Tasmania needs a viable economy. That can happen without the Gunns project and without the timber industry.

I am clear that there are huge investments in the timber industry - from company and shareholder assets to workers jobs and family dependence. The company can restructure itself and find a new role. Other jobs and industries can be created.

I am clear that the change that is needed is not easy or simple and you can not replace one industry with another.

I am also clear that old growth forests are being logged right now. That is totally unacceptable to me.

Human beings are ingenious and creative if they are not fighting for survival. It is up to government to create the opportunity to let this happen.

The person who should hang their head in the most shame is Kevin Rudd. All the other positions of integrity and respect that you have created have been destroyed in the single act of going for votes over the greater good.

The political environment has changed since you made the announcement you would support the mill. You have seriously miscalculated the view of the Australian people on this one.

If you reverse your position on this one you will seal your spot as PM.


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G&J Bowley
October 5th, 2007

And who said this wasn't a political decision??? It is so, so wrong - as are Malcolm Campbell's comments regarding this being the most highly monitored pulp mill - comes nowhere near Sweden's. What else can we do to stop it?

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David Cooper
October 5th, 2007

Cynically I believe that whyile the rules may??? just be good enough, I doubt that there will be any enforcement of them after the initial look good time

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Dael Allison
October 5th, 2007

How can the Turnbull decision on the Gunns Pulp Mill be even remotely considered to be best practice when the mill will release dioxins into the environment? Dioxins are one of the most lethal and long-lasting environmental toxins known. No matter how 'small' the quantity, no Dioxins should be released into the Tamar Estuary and Bass Strait. If the Scandinavians 'Best Practice' can be based on non-dioxin pulp milling, then Malcolm Turnbull's claims are a fraud.
Another sacrifice of Tasmania's forests, atmosphere and water to the massive profit of a private corporation.
Another sacrifice of quality of life, and place, for future generations!

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Karen Strack
October 5th, 2007

Keep up the fight, many are with you, if you need numbers I will put my name to your petition against it.

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Elisabeth Kirkby
October 5th, 2007

I fully support the views od Chrisitne Milne. There would be no need to destroy the forests for pulp if re-cycling of timber was introduced Australia wide.
THe adoption of paper and cardboard recycling has dramatically reduced the need for wood chips for paper.
We could be reducing the need for wood pulp if we recycled the vast quantities of discarded timber that goes to every town and city in Australia.
As climate change and global warming are already damaging agriculture, we must try to recycle as much waste product as we can. Jobs created by a pulp mill in Tasmania will not compensate for the thousands of jobs lost when crops fail. This affects the entire community in a country twon, not just the farmers.
Deought is already affecting food supplies and jobs are being lost in rural areas.
We need a big picture solution, not a quick fix for one area.

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Heidi Shelley
October 5th, 2007

It was only recently that I saw a travel program that focused on Tasmania and I was OVERWHELMED by the beauty and heritage of the forests down South. I am completely and utterly devestated that approval has been granted to destroy such a large part of this. NO WHERE inside my head can I come close to even justifying this. I'm struggling to come to terms with how a purely economic and political agenda has triumphed here.

And Peter Garrett - this devestation continues on to you too, shame on you.

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Sandra Betts
October 5th, 2007

Does anyone in Tasmania own or use Helicopters or Light Aircraft capable of carrying paying (or free) tourists, etc?
I have a great suggestion. Take observers out over the forested areas and the cleared areas where Gunns takes their timber.
Let them see for themselves what it really means to chip and pulp so much forest.
One can also use Google Earth to see first hand what the land looks like after clear felling

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Jamie Piotrowski
October 5th, 2007

I was wondering how the Minister for the Environment could claim the proposed pulp mill is "best practice" when Gunns have said they will be using chlorine for the bleaching process. This decision was based purely on an economic stance.

It is important to "value add" our products before export, I agree, but this is definatly not value adding. The pulp mill using native forests is decreasing the value of Tasmania for the profits of one company and its shareholders. I could see a pulp mill being worthwhile when it uses plantation timber only.

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October 5th, 2007

I too am astounded at how this proposal can even be considered. We already know the future consequences of what began over 50 years ago as part of our greed for prosperity and wealth. Who's wealth? By the time this mill is developed our lives will already be threatened by ever changing climatic conditions as a result of global warming from projects such as this one. When will we learn?

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Robert Bell
October 5th, 2007

How can they deal with climate change when they want to get rid of the trees? Trees are necessary to help combat the climate change.

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Charlotte Watson
October 5th, 2007

My brother used to live in the Tamar Valley & I know the environment there - it's quietness & beauty & the problem of airshed inversion. Air pollution from the Mill I believe will not be part of 'stringent' Federal responsibilities.

It's extraordinary to me that Labour is supporting the Mill going ahead - especially as they appear to be so much more on the ball with environmental issues. The sense of political expediency is sobering (in both parties).
The worst of it is that jobs can be created in other commercial areas in Tasmania (how about alternative energy projects??)but the Tasmanian forests & Bass Strait marine ecosystems are in danger of permanent degradation.

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October 5th, 2007



The Greens have won my vote in the upcoming election because of their courageous opposition to this mill.

In the era of a "climate change" that even John Howard FINALLY admits is happening, the clearing of 200,000ha of forest is an outrage. What's more, it's suicidal for a continent as vulnerable to the catastrophe of climate change as our own to be endorsing this kind of environmental terrorism.

Christine, Judith - I stand with the opponents of the mill and commit myself to your campaign. Shame Liberal, shame Labor.

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Jim Wright
October 5th, 2007

Back in the 1970s, I worked for a Town Planning consultancy and we were affronted by developers who would buy land and properties whose price was depressed by the planning controls and who would then try to expand their profits by having those controls watered down or removed. A more recent example of this proactice is Telstra, where the current management is trying to dismantle the regulatory framework which was designed to maintain competition in a near monopolistic market.
Even if all of the conditions put forward by the government are acceded to by Gunns and the pulp mill goes ahead, what guarantees have we that Gunns will not in future try to bribe or blackmail the regulators into diluting these conditions.
While working for that same consultancy, I helped develop a computer-driven process where tracts of land (such as the Molonglo valley at Canberra) were overlaid with a grid and various geographic, fauna and flora atributes were noted and given wieghted scores. These scores were accumulated and used to assess the suitability of the land for various purposes. Perhaps we should be applying similar techniques to important land areas such as Tasmania and identifying locations which are most suitable and least suitable for developments such as Gunn's mill.

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Emily Spurr
October 5th, 2007

As an ex pat Tasmanian i feel terribly let down by both parties on this issue.

Malcolm Turnbull has shown a spectacular lact of fore thought on this issue. When will the environment be given a $ value? I think if governments started to value the $ if the environmental costs of such projects it wouldn't even be considered.
What of the cost to wildlife and forests? Let alone the devastation that will be caused by the dioxin pollution to both sea animals, birds and land mammals. The Tasmanian Devils are under enough pressure with the threat from DFT - so part of the national plan of action is to poison them as well?
As for the forests, anyone who has seen first hand the destruction of clear felling to land, wildlife and flora cannot but help be disgusted at the blatant arrogance and environmental genocide that this mill will promote.
And as for the jobs, what of all the jobs that will be lost through tourism? The vineyards that will be affected as the smell and pollution from the mill contaminates their grapes? Have people learned nothing from the smoke damage suffered by growers during last years fires? Air pollution effects grapes.
And don't get me started on the response by the so called 'environmental spokes person' Peter Garrett... No wonder he won't say anything - this problem was created in the first place by the Tasmanian Labor Government and their cosy relationship with Gunns. If ever an ethical inquiry into Government was needed it is needed now to deal with the underhand relations between Labor and Gunns in Tasmania - one may well ask exactly who is running the state - i feel the answer would not be Lennon, but his puppet master Gunns.
How does Garrett sleep at night? He's selling out everything he has fought for in career before politics? I pity him. I feel he has let me down. What happened to his beliefs? Apparently like everything else held dear by the Labor Party, they are up for negotiation - it's distressing to see a rush for votes can corrupt so deeply - and even more distressing that no one (bar Bob Brown) seems to have even listened to public opinion.
I am ashamed to be an Australian.
Emily Spurr. (Victoria)

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Samyo Dalgarno
October 5th, 2007

I actually do not even understand the need to pulp old growth forest, it is old stuck biased thinking .... Even the smallest bit of research shows that "hemp" provides a much better source of paper pulp and could be farmed to provide additional income/crops for farmers and ailing sugar cane country, and is more cost effective when scaled up. Yes you lose timber jobs, but you create farm jobs and do less harm to the environment ... we desperatly need a change in attitudes and new approach on so many levels.... We need to grow up in our attitudes and our thinking as a society... The dinosaurs became extinct... Dinosaur thinking will ensure we do as well.
(PS: Hemp for pulp and cloth production is not the smoking kind, a distinction so often lost on, or ignored by the dinosaurs.)

And Mr Garret, where has your rebel heart gone, we need the voice you had with the Oils, not the one as a hobbled politician...

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Matt Moses
October 5th, 2007

I think back to all the years I watched the Oils on stage and stood in awe of such a passionate and influential man. What is he now – a sell out just like the rest of the Labour Party and sadly kidding himself that the ends justify the means. I was told by a Labour party friend of mine once that you have to let things get very bad sometimes before you can make people realise they are bad, and then you can step in and “altruistically” save the day. This is how they think, but it’s much more egoistic. Not good enough getting into power on opportunism and treachery Peter Garrett - have some guts and speak against this, or at least walk away. Please - don’t get caught up in their lies.

I would appreciate any advice on who I can vote for that is not giving preferences ANYWHERE to either Liberal or Labour because I fear my protest vote will end up with one of these two stooges anyhow. Maybe we should organise a list of people running who don’t sell off their votes as "preferences", so we can vote for people and policies, instead of the network of fakes and deal makers behind the scenes who steal our vote and give it away to one of the major parties anyway.

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jan westerink
October 5th, 2007

If this morning's (5/10/07) article by Peter Hartcher is correct, then the pulp mill is a disgrace. I would have always objected on environmental grounds, but it seems that:
'The $2 billion project is economically viable only because of state and federal government subsidies worth $847 million over the life of the mill according to a cost-benefit analysis commissioned by the Tasmanian Roundtable for Sustainable Industries.'
So for a few temporary jobs and a lot of government subsidies the environment will be ravaged by Gunns once again.

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Narelle Evans
October 5th, 2007

I am deeply saddened by the government's decision to go ahead with this mill.
How can one man be allowed to make a decision that will destroy the environment and impact on so many for the rest of our lives??!!
I want to be part of the solution and not the cause!!
They will never get my vote

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Liz Campbell
October 5th, 2007

I have heard the argument (supporting the pulp mill) that at least if we pulp our trees, it may reduce the need for indiscriminate logging in Asia.
Is anyone buying this?
I cant imagine the countries in Asia suddenly deciding to cease logging, just becasue they are using our product to print their magazines!
And what's to say their logging is any worse than ours? I did the Tahune Airwalk in Tassie through a beautiful forest. The walk ends overlooking the river and the complete devastation that logging creates is plain to see. I would recommend you see it yourself, but the money goes to Forestry Tasmania.
Thank you to Chris Milne for re-instating some of my faith in the political process.
And Peter Garrett: you had such promise! I am so disappointed.

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Aileen Osborne
October 5th, 2007

I read with horror, but no surprise, of the decision to approve the pulp mill in Tasmania. My husband took a job in Tasmania 2 years ago, as engineer with a northern council. At the end of his 3 month probation period, he declined to continue (I don't think the CEO thought that probation worked both ways!) because he was 'too green' and could not stand by and watch what was being done to the waterways in his shire (raw sewage being pumped into the rivers) When he told the CEO that they couldn't do this, he was told, why not? everyone else in Tasmania does! which was when he decided to resign.
What I want to know is what has happened to the debate on which trees will be logged for this appalling mill? It seems the debate has been centred on stopping the mill, and this is good, but are Gunns going to be allowed to log old growth forest, as they want to do? when is our Government going to listen to the people who live in these areas and are directly affected, instead of always listening to the people with money. To quote a famous Indian, when will we learn that we cannot eat money?

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Fran Myers
October 5th, 2007

Yes, we need to add value to our exports. However we also need to save the environment and retain our tourism industry. Building a pulp mill in Tamar is like putting a power station in the opera house.

Without an environment there is no economy.

Peter Garrett used to be an environmentalist. Now he is just a Labor politician, kowtowing to big business. Even when that big business is as ruthless as Gunns has proven to be in the past.

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Michael Harvey
October 5th, 2007

Another boofhead decision like the hundreds of coal-fired power stations in the pipeline. Technology moves very fast and it would be a good idea that our pollies look to the future of paper and coal instead of trying to prop up influential communities whose products are redundant. Bob Brown's courage in fronting these communities is based not on radicalism but on his intelligence and compassion as a Doctor and someone with his mind on the future. We can't use coal anymore, get over it, we can't substitute uranium for it, and we have been told since the 70s about the paperless office. These old Ayn Randy men are living in a fool's paradise - they must be stopped forcing these unwanted products on us and look to the future - for their own kids'sake if no-one else's.

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[J] . Miriam BENN
October 5th, 2007

Your comment:
I feel furious and helpless that Labor and Peter Garrett have come out in favour of Turnbull's specious arguments, doubtless because they are thinking more of votes than values. While making a pitiful gesture towards reducing effluent and emissions they have ignored the inversion problem and its effect on local people. How can we trust in a proper composition of an oversight body when it will probably be stacked; how can we trust "regular monitoring"? Who guards the guardians?

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Roger Hanney
October 5th, 2007

Federal Labor have absolutely disgraced themselves on this issue. Don't get me wrong - Turnbull as a skilled legalist knows that he could have done a lot more than he has, perhaps even enforcing credibility on the entire pulping process rather than the last 3% of it. We knew this was what Turnbull was going to announce. I filed an article on Tuesday that comes out this weekend and still managed to get it right when making the call on what Turnbull would do. Whatever character he might have previously shown in standing up against Howard has een thoroughly inverted by this act of simpering accomodation.

But the ALP - what a bunch of meaningless platitude. Somehow the party that has promised a serious response to climate change is not offering any challenge to the Gunns Method, which will:
1. consume 70 million litres of drinking water daily in the factory process at the mill.
2. produce more than 10 million tonnes of CO2 annually from additional clearfelling of native forests which would otherwise operate as carbon sinks
3. consume further massive quantities of water in a state already affected by drought as a direct consequence of even more intense timber harvesting and industrial silviculture

And although the idea of challenging the government on points of law, morality, or common sense is increasingly beyond the scope of Federal Labor on any matter of environment, they could perhaps take responsibility for their rogue leadership in Tasmania who have essentially trashed the role of planning and development law for at least the next decade.

I bought Diesel & Dust and Species Deceases on vinyl just the other week - they were a great find. The Peter Garrett who sang those songs stood for something, other than elected office. Sad, but true.

It is a shame that the resurfacing machine he is tied to so misunderstood the 2004 election loss that federal Labor will wait until all Australia's original forests are gone before they risk describing said disappearance as a great loss.

Very disillusioned right now - a vote for Labor was seeming like a vote for real change. Now it just seems like the most likely way to get rid of Howard.

Weak. Utterly weak.

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Andrew Robjohns
October 5th, 2007

I am very disappointed that when calls for "Adding value" to Tasmania's sawn log timber exports is heard, the best we can come up with is a pulp mill.

Isn't it about time we thought of a more sustainable use for Tasmania's forests?

What value do the Liberal and Labor parties give to actually leaving the trees in the ground?

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Tracey Heers
October 5th, 2007

Why is no-one listening. We are on the eve of an election call and both labour and liberal are refusing to hear our pleas on this issue...lip service is not good enough

Peter Garrett, I admired you so much for so many years, I am truly disappointed at your lack of support on such an important issue. I am left shaking my head in disbelief that such a concept could even be considered.

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Zeta Tech
October 5th, 2007

This rubbish about "Worlds Best Practice" doesn't mean anything. Proponents keep repeating that line over and over & it's beginning to sound ridiculous. If infact this mill will be run following the best practices in the world then the world's best practices must be tragically short of mediocre and it should be up to our government to ensure the standards are lifted to an acceptable level - but maybe that would mean that the mill would become unviable.

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Doris Cahill
October 5th, 2007

What I would like to know is:

* Once the Pulp Mill is operational, who will be
monitoring the operations to make sure that
the 'stringent regulations' put in place by the
Government are maintained?

* How often will monitoring take place and if the
regulations are not complied with, will the Mill be shut
down and the company fined, or will the public be fed a
lot of excuses so that the company can get away with
whatever is deemed necessary????

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Raymond H
October 5th, 2007

As an old man it saddens me that the youngsters of our society seem to follow their parents in seeing only a two-party system -- and our media has MUCH blame to take for this, with most of their analyses being done on a two-party basis.

For many years now I have seen The GREENS actively campaigning on different issues of principle; and we have the wonderful example of Senator Bob Brown from Tassie before us too. Why oh why doesn't Tassie show the mainland that it can take the lead, and elect 100% GREEN parliamentarians? THEN we might attain government around this country by people who still believe in principle; as mainland states follow Tassie's lead.

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judy ebner
October 5th, 2007

come on , peter garrett. at least try to redeem yourself by asking for chlorine not to be used at the pulp mill. this is 20th century technology ( which is NOT used in sweden)and in an ever increasingly degraded environment there needs to be some 21st century technology being used.
where are your requests as well to stop GUNNS napalming the coupes.

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Susie Payten
October 5th, 2007

I would like to know why the chief scientist that conducted the research was limited by Malcomn Turnbull in relation to the various areas of potential impact that he could investigate.

I would also like it to be noted that the ANZ bank is the main bank financing the Gunn's to build the Puld mill.

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Dale Kleeman
October 5th, 2007

Malcolm Turnbull, the minister for destroying the environment.

But, hey, what did we expect. None of his predecessors have been any different.

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Vincent Teubler
October 5th, 2007

Turnball, I expected no better.
But Peter
Only the other day I sat with friends in your very electorate and discussed your position on this and your once passionate Midnight oil words. We "Burned the Midnight Oil" on the issue and in the end decided that that may well become our new mantra heading into the election.
What do YOU stand for these days? Is this really YOUR position?

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Leonie Stubbs
October 5th, 2007

Malcolm Turnbull states that he has answered all the concerns of the local community and other Australians with his tough environmental conditions. However, there were so many issues he could not address that the whole process is a sham. One of the worst issues which has not been been addressed and which was taken off the agenda when the project was being reviewed in its initial stages was whether there would be sufficient timber (in line with Tasmania's RFA) in the long term to feed the mill. Studies show that this is unlikely. This significant issue was not addressed by Malcolm Turnbull (he did not have the power). The viability of the mill should be debated on this point alone.

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Carl Moll
October 5th, 2007

Why a pulp mill? Lets save our heritage!!

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Susan KENNEDY
October 5th, 2007

To think I felt Peter Garrett would make a difference to Labor ... how naive .. say a final goodbye to your credibility Peter. I thought Malcolm Turnbull might vote sanely and not with an eye to political advantage - but the "panel of Scientists" say it's okay to go ahead - so let's place the burden of blame on them. I'm sure panels of Scientists also thought Chernobyl was great, introducing Cane Toads a fantastic idea and Thalidomide the last word in morning sickness for pregnant women. I have constant access to Research Scientists across the spectrum and have yet to hear a roar of approval for anything associated with The Pulp Mill and of course Pulp Mill Fiction. Don't waiver Green candidates.For Judith King and the other people adversely affected: you must be feeling outraged and abandoned. I feel deeply for you - I once lived in a place called Queensland under the Bjelke-Petersen regime.

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Sandrine Prosser
October 5th, 2007

I am dismayed at this result and I can't believe Peter Garrett can look himself in the mirror. How is it relevant that Labour always supported a pulp mill in Tasmania? It is irrelevant because an outdated view such as supporting a pulp mill is a dinosaur in this day and age. Both Labor and Liberals have demonstrated how irrelevant they are and how much they are prepared to hurt future generations by their environmental vandalism. They cannot have visited Tasmania lately and gone for the so called wilderness walks. I was in shock at the end of last year when I visited Tasmania and went for walks. At first, the wilderness area appear intact, however if you go 500m into the bush you will see how much Gunns has decimated this treasure. They have raped and pillaged these areas, leaving 500m bands by the side roads, giving the illusion that it is all untouched. Go and have a look, pick our area, it is rife! What I want to know is what has gunns got on all these Ministers that they can rampage heritage and Wilderness areas totally unchecked. Any so called strict conditions still allows for so much. What a load of heard it all before rhetoric!

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Linese Norrish
October 5th, 2007

And I used to think it was only Third World countries where the "leaders" overrode the wishes of the majority population and indulged in rape and pillage of the environment.
Well, at least this shows how much the Feds really care about climate change/global warming et al, if anyone ever doubted their position - all is now revealed.

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Margaret Mudie
October 5th, 2007

If there were only 2 people in Judith King's area for the mill and 100 out of 120 residents of Hillwood signed a petition against the mill, why doesn't the government take notice of the will of the people?? It's time we had a government, of whatever persuasion, which listened to the people and thought of the long-term future of our country, not just the short term prosperity, a prosperity which, to me, is illusionary.

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Patricia Dolan
October 5th, 2007

A gutless decision ,quite predictable, and only a wuss who claimed to be green for years would back down and agree with it, both parties disgust me ,,all they are good for is pandering to the big money boys and to hell with the rest of the people ,,Karma will getcha

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derek wrigley
October 5th, 2007

We cannot continue growing on a finite planet.

This means we all have to cut down on profligate use of paper and reduce demand for a paper mill.

Use paper both sides and don't buy the weekend papers

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Sandra Betts
October 5th, 2007

If Richard Barton is correct, and I seem to recall these are correct, Then Gunns cant operate at all without subsidies. Therefore, like all inefficient business, it should close.
That much subsidy would restore all hospital services in Tasmania to world standard!!!

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James Black
October 5th, 2007

Labor still sings from the same songsheet as the neo-national socialist government. It's time the Australian Labor Party stood on its own two feet. What about the dioxins? World class pulp mill facility! Pull the other one! Sweden leads the way in this industry. Don't our parliamentarians keep up with the news?

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Tania Aveling
October 5th, 2007

Keep fighting, Christine, Judith and all you Tamar Valley residents who oppose this mill! The political process that has led to this point has been as clear as mud and clearly no one from either of the major parties is interested in the impact of this pulp mill on the valley or on Tasmania as a whole. As a Queensland resident who looks on Tasmania as pretty much the perfect holiday destination for my young family, I'm horrified at the possibility of this development. Peter Garrett, today's Australian newspaper cartoon showed you playing a chainsaw. What's gone wrong, mate?

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Leith Maddock
October 5th, 2007

A shameful decision for Tasmanians and Tasmanian forests. When will Tasmanian governance join the 20th century, let alone the 21st? Gunns should not have this much power.
And damn Peter Garrett for being so piss weak! Even Malcolm Turnbull looks good in comparison.

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blair Stafford
October 5th, 2007

I love how Garret's language now fully represents who he has exposed himself as being. "Value Adding" I fully expect to hear the words "balancing economic performance with environmental concerns" in his next press statement. What a dismal "performer".

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Dean Dadson
October 5th, 2007

My Uncle would be turning in his grave. He was once involved in the logging and timber industries but in his later life discovered the wonders of, and worked in places like Cradle Mountain. He became such a defender of the environment and despised the way in which it was being slowly but surely raped. Shame on you Gunns, shame on you Lennon, shame on you Turnbull, shame on you Garrett. You are nothing but short-sighted businessmen.

Dean Dadson

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Dr Ross Hucks
October 5th, 2007

With his recent decision on the pulp mill Malcolm Turnaball has made Minister for the Environment sound like a phrase from Orwells Animal Farm

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blair Stafford
October 5th, 2007

Very well timed article right here
http://abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2007/2051656.htm

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John Gardner
October 5th, 2007

It's still a bad decision for all sorts of reasons. Stop the mill now and make Tassie's more productive by producing high-value products from non "old growth" forests.

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Julia Davis
October 5th, 2007

The best value we could add to our forest estate would be leave it alone and promote the Tamar valley as one of the most pristine places left on earth.
How can anyone truly believe that these new conditions will be properly managed???
The Labor Party has lost my vote on this one!

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Jan Elith
October 5th, 2007

From GREED to GREEN

G et G unns
R id (of) R uin
E xpired E cological
E nvironmentalist E nvironments
D eadhead D aily
(for the turncoat) (for the corporates)

G et G et
R id (of) R eferendums
E gotistical E verytime (there is)
E ntrepreneurial E xtensive
D eceiver D uplicity
(for the millionaire) (for the people)

G et G et
R id (of) R udd (to)
E gomaniac E xpound
E xercising E galitarian
D espot D emocracy
(for George W’s best pal) (to strengthen his spine)

G reens G ather
R ealistically R ebel (against)
E valuate E xpensive
E nvironmental E lectoral
D isaster D eception
(Bob’s mob in the upper house) (united we stand)


“It is only when you have cut down the last tree, and caught the last fish you realise that you cannot eat money.”

“Less Bush …. More trees!!!”



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Doug Blackwell
October 5th, 2007

If we are using supposedly "Worlds Best Practice" for this pulp mill, then why are we allowing the use of chlorine dioxide (from which dioxins are a by product). Scandivanian countries governments have outlawed the use of chlorine because of the enviormental damage it causes.
Source - ABC radio, AM program, 5/10/2007

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David Morrell
October 5th, 2007

My wife and I moved to Launceston from Adelaide for a clean environment and an escape from the parochial politics that was strangling Adelaide's life line - the River Murray. Now we find ourselves in a state where dirty politics threatens to deliver a dirty environment. Help us fight for the accountability that makes democracy work and the environment that makes life worth living.

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Sue Graham
October 5th, 2007

Mr Turnbull

After offering a glimmer of hope in saying that the mill proposal would be full scrutinised, now to come out with lies such as "world's best practice" to justify the WRONG decision, just reconfirms my opinion of you as the anti-environment minister. The hypocrisy of your efforts against climate change including trying to reduce the area of forest cleared in SE Asia but then supporting large scale forest destruction in Tasmania is truly astounding!

Mr Garrett

Shame, shame, shame... How do you live with yourself these days? I once truly admired you and your stand on social, political and environmental issues, I can no longer listen to Midnight Oil music without feeling betrayed. Aren't you embarrassed to be put up as the Labour party's puppet or are these truly your views now?

Ms Milne and Ms King

You have the majority of Australians standing with you on this issue. Continue the good fight - it's certainly far from over!!

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Jennifer Herrick
October 5th, 2007

I am mortified that Labor has gone along with allowing this mill. You have put thousands of potential Labor voters in an insidious position. Jen

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Anne Hirsch
October 5th, 2007

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF GUNNS DO NOT MEET THE "STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS" IMPOSED ON THEM? PLEASE DON'T TELL ME THAT THE PLANT WOULD THEN BE CLOSED DOWN1 THIS IS A SHAMEFUL DECISION AN IRREVERSIBLE ACT OF SHEER VANDALISM FOR WHICH FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL HAVE TO PAY.

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Deb Collins
October 5th, 2007

Some day one of our great leaders will need to work with the loggers to assist them in making the transition away from logging. They too like many farmers, people in manufacturing, and small/tiny businesses will have their livelihoods severly effected by the current climate and market trends of our modern world. Perhaps when there are no trees left to mill in Tasmania, then these families and workers will be open to a new ego identity...I hope the transition starts sooner rather than later because surely Gunns will move offshore when the forests are gone...and there will be no help from them.
Tasmanians can feel deserted by politicians but not by the people of Australia... we are as incensed and as pained as you are today.

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Phil Cullen
October 5th, 2007

I love Tasmania and its people, but I wont be visiting there any more. It seems like it is now a disgusting place where ideas of progress and job enhancement are totally negative, unimaginative and plain stupid.
But...I have faith in the supporters of Christine and Judith. Girls, you will overcome. The future trusts you.
Go for it.

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John Gray
October 5th, 2007

Good grief! What has happened to Peter Garrett's heart and soul!!??

Is this man just trying secure a nice superannuation package for himself as an MP? Oh dear! Shame! Shame!

How can we stop this? Who listens to the people nowadays? Reading the so called "blogs" from Turnbull and Garrett sounds, as usual, the political spin and dishonesty that we have come to expect from our major parties who just want to get elected. There is no fire in the bellies of Messrs Rudd and Garrett. Our country has been sold down the river by both labor and liberal governments alike for years. Oh for a Fidel Castro (why is Fidel still the leader of Cuba? Because he looks after his people and they love him!)
Oh for a passionate population who aren't so concerned about their hip pockets and scrabbling to the top of the heap.

Please, how can the "rest of Australia" help?



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Lizzie
October 5th, 2007

I agree with all the comments here. The only bit of light I see is that because of the corrupt way Howard performs during elections the Labor Party has to hold off any way in which Howard can wedge and 'play' the Labor party.
Of course the Greens are the best environment party, but we must have change and Labor is the only light at the moment...hopefully if they win then they can get down to the business of making parliament, policy, elections, intentions transparent.
Cynic though I am, I am still wanting to hold onto that little bit of hope.

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Albert Brown
October 5th, 2007

The disastrous impact on old growth forests has been neglected by Malcolm Turnbull and Gunns. While there are still concerns about the impact the pulp mill will have on the local population and the environment, the Minister has failed to address ALL concerns relating to the mill.

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Paulus Kruijer
October 5th, 2007

To any one who is concerned about the paper mill,

For me, it is no surprise that the papermill goes ahead. We fight against a multi national company. The Government is not the boss here, the big companies are.
It is all economics. No one in the Government thinks about our grandchildren future and future generations. I do.
Maybe we have not to worry about the future. Mother Earth may take revenge. With all that ice melting, maybe the Earth will get out of balance and we get a shift of the North and South poles.
Even dr. Peacock on talk back radio contradict himself. He is all for planting more trees, but the trees Gunn has to chop for his papermill, that is alright. They are all hypercrites.
This is my comment.

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Joyce Parkes
October 5th, 2007

"Motion as in a mill, is busie standing still."Wainwright. I am against the Gunn Mill for the concerns Judith King, a Tamar Valley resident, has articulated. Consideration must also be given to the premise that representative
governments tend to, overwhelmingly, represent the interests of the powerful and their insatiable lust for power and prestige. In a participative democracy the many may yet be heard. Regards. Joyce Parkes.

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Prue Johnson
October 5th, 2007

It's a very sad week, to see, that politics is always put first, over the environment, in Australia. I'm really concerned for industries,
in Tasmania, that will be affected, by the 'flow-on' effect from the Mill.
The Tasmanian Seafood industry relies on pristine waters to cultivate
top quality seafood to the world. Now it looks like this industry will be
somewhat destroyed... who wins financially? Gunns Pulp Mill. Is it really
worth it? No more Oysters for Malcolm & Lucy!.

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Gloria Gledhill
October 5th, 2007

Is the Tasmanian government intent on ruining one of Australia's most scenic areas? Peter Garrett should have learnt from Cheryl Kernow's experience with the Labour Party. The Greens are the only ones with the courage of their convictions.

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Simon Boyle
October 5th, 2007

What really amazes me about this project is that while the government is lecturing South East Asain and Pacific nations about the need to preserve their forests, it's quite happy to approve this accelerated destruction of our own.

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Victoria Osborne
October 5th, 2007

Oh, Peter Garrett MP.

I cannot tell you how sadly disappointed I am.

Do you really think once you get elected things will be any different? Maybe the best place to change things is not from within. It certainly hasn't worked for you so far, has it? Or are you really this mealy mouthed?

Yours sincerely,

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Elizabeth Ollquist
October 5th, 2007

Gunns are destroying the natural beauty of Tasmania with all their activities clear felling old growth forests.A pulp mill using chlorates should not be built anywhere in the world as newer technologies are far more environmentally friendly and this proposed one will have a rapacious appetite for all the timber Gunns can get their hands on!!. I am most disappointed that Peter Garrett of all people is supporting this terrible project As Tasmania has no EPA to monitor what is going into the air sea & land how can we TRUST Gunns to comply with regulations they don't agree with ?

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beth rees
October 5th, 2007

If the mill's effluent is so clean, why is it not reusing this water instead of megalitres of clean drinking water?

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Fay & William Miller
October 5th, 2007

The Turnbull Inquiry was wholly inadequate since it was severely limited in its scope and terms of reference. The Chief Scientist would have served Australia better to have refused this commission.

It was an inquiry designed to cover the arse of the Howard Government.

We can only hope :
a) that the Coalition is voted out of office

b) that Australians will force the incoming Government to stop Gunns in their tracks

What a sad outcome.
We had a hope and the right to expect better from Turnbull but he doesn't have it.

We had a hope and the right to expect better from Garrett but he doesnt have it either.

Saddest of all is that we had a hope and the right to expect better from Kevin Rudd and the Labor team. But they want power above all else.


So now its up to us. Have we the people of Australia got it? Well time will tell.

Bill Miller.

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Narelle Grant
October 5th, 2007

Yes Judith - there is something very wrong in Tassie and in the rest of Australia! we stayed in this area early this year and can't believe what is happening. As for the 'conditions' Gunns will have to meet - they will find loopholes to wiggle out of as many as they can.
we can't believe peter garret and labour is supporting this. Shame!!!!

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Neil Cameron
October 5th, 2007

We have a consistent dictatorial government that continues to make policies without consulting the electorate and an opposition who has been hell bent on accepting these decisions in the past without attempting to get any debate happening. This pulp mill is another of these acts. Chlorine used in processing, not an environmental factor at all!! Green house gas emissions for the sake of printing this rubbish we 'need' to read!! Some industries are 'purchasing' green house gas 'trees' while others are harvesting the remainder of Australia's floral heritage for whose 'profit'!!

Don't worry folks with the regulated standard of living that has been imposed on Australian citizens and the ignorance of climate change our planet Earth is very quickly on mass destruction cycle which will leave us in another 'life' out of this planet. Ahmen

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Lisa Anderson
October 5th, 2007

This is a sad time for the environment that people who do know better, who do know the damage that they are causing the environment, the earth and the climate. They know the irreparable damage they are directly causing to all those living things that need clean air and water to live on this planet. It is with this knowledge that they have done this disgusting thing.

What needs to happen now is the Greens need to get some action and some guts. The woman in NSW is always depicted in the media as a bitter and twisted creature who has said nothing about this happening? Why? Where are the Greens around the country, not just in Tasmania? Get out there. Say something? Would everyone say out loud where they stand? Greens get some guts!
Peter Garret, it seems you traded your soul for nought. At least it distracts from your appalling arts policy. Where you need to state that artists should pay NO tax. The contribution they make to our culture is what we value. No the softly approach you suggest of co-ordinating their pitiful incomes through Centrelink and the ATO. Other small countries survive well without stealing artists tiny incomes and have rich cultures as a result.
you need better advice!

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October 5th, 2007

The Mill should be built on the Burnie site, if at all. There are too many risks (environmental, public health) associated with the proposed site.

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Peta Van Rood
October 5th, 2007

Well that's finally done any possible vote I had for Labor! Let alone my preferences.
It has confirmed for me that there is now so little difference between the two major parties that I can imagine most Liberal voters will stay with what they know, rather than voting for a-real-change-Labor Party which also used to represent environmental concerns and social justice issues.
Or they will really jump to The Australian Greens Party, which nowadays seems to have flowered into more than just a hairy-tree-huggers brigade, becoming a party which has environmental, national and international social justice and economic issues in hand. I now have no doubt what I need to do, especially as I don't want my vote to go with the right-wing, parochial, christian- fundamentalist Family First Party or The Shooters Party!
WE , URGENTLY NEED REAL CHANGE. Or we will not have a world worth leaving to our children.

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Marcus Chick
October 5th, 2007

I live in the electorate of Bass and I will be directly effected by the mill. I know of one solution to stop all this and it simply is to vote for the Greens candidates in every electorate possible. I am not a Greens member (yet) so I am not just saying this so they get the votes. But think about it; the Liberal and the Labour parties have said they agree with the mill. The only party that opposes this mill is the Greens party. But not only do the Liberal and Labour parties like the mill but they like anything that will personally profit themselves and their powerful friends. I think that people do not vote Greens because there is a shroud of fear created by radical groups such as the exclusive brethren that put out spin campaigns that tell people that "Greens tell lies". Name me one. I bet you couldn't name more than 10. But the list for the Labour and Liberal parties is bigger than you or I could imagine. So come on, don't be scared vote in a Green candidate and if it doesn't work vote them out. I am 15 and I can see this. Open your eyes Australia, things like the mill decision are happening every day and it is time the big powerful people are stopped and the world is fixed.
So go on, suprise yourself, stand up and vote for the Greens. (tell this to everyone you know) So in the words of a Midnight Oil Song (even though Garret has now been bought) "Its better to die on your feet than to live on your knees."

P.S. To Mr. Turnbull I hope the statistics are right and you lose your seat and to Mr. Garret, how much did Labour buy you for? Amazing how a bit of cash can change your opinion.

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Rupert Steiner
October 5th, 2007

It should be plain to all by now, that the two major parties can not be trusted with the future wellbeing of our planet.As they have no plans that would address our planets current dificulties. On the contrary the decisions they make actually put eaven greater stress on our already over extended environment.
So please listen to the only concrned party in Australia,THE GREENS.

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John Faulkner
October 5th, 2007

Yesterday was a sad day, but today even sadder. To read the comments by both Turnbull and Garrett reinforces what many of us already knew. Puppets playing along to the tune of cash, politicians feathering their own nest at the expense of 'us'.

So what to do? As a confirmed voting-atheist, what do I do? Lib is Labor pure and simple, and outside of Tas, the Greens will inevitably distribute votes to Labor. What point is there in me enrolling to vote after not doing so for 20+ years?

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Yvonne Lipianin
October 5th, 2007

It is inconceivable to me that this mill project is going ahead given the huge community opposition to it right across Australia. Does the government, including Mr Turnbull, not have a mandate to act according to the wishes of the people? Having said that I am not remotely surprised by Mr Turnbull's decision given the complete and utter lack of integrity his government has consistently displayed throughout the entire time it has been in power, not to mention its absolute contempt for environmental issues. I am so disgusted with Labor and Peter Garrett, however - what a pathetic cop-out. It's Greens all the way for me.

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chris duffy
October 5th, 2007

I am really disappointed with Mr Turnbull's decision but even more disappointed with the Labour party's support of the decision.

Labour's position seems so inconsistent with their statements and policies re global warming and the environment in general. I really don't see the conditions that have been placed on the new mill as anything other than window dressing regardless of Peter Garrett's comments about the need for monitoring etc.

From what I have read it seems that there is very little support for the pulp mill within Tasmania yet the people's elected representatives from both major parties have turned their back on the voters.

Having voted Labour for most of my life I am now seriously looking at the Greens as are a number of my friends. Sorry Labour!!!!

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Bill Egan
October 5th, 2007

Gunns is the company that uses spurious legal action to try to terrify or bankrupt ordinary citizens out of expressing their opinions. It is naive to think they won't use every and any devious means to avoid, circumvent and white-ant Mr Turnbull's (and Mr Garrett's)stringent controls

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Vincent O'Hara
October 5th, 2007

Nothing may be allowed to stand in the way of development, which means money.
All over our beloved country, evidence is plain that Money is everything. In my hometown, a SMALL country town and once a prime tourist centtre for bushwalks, holidays, cycling etc, farms are being cut up into domestic blocks and sold for multi thosand dollar prices to the ultimate destruction of our environment. The latest is a "{"spring water battling plant" which will mean thousands of trucks using 1930 roads to remove our water, peace and safety.
MONEY IS EVERYTHING.

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Anterior Vella
October 5th, 2007

The mill is in the wrong place and it's said it's highly likely to use old growth forest rather than plantation in order to justify and sustain the massive financial investment. I am extremely disappointed in Peter Garrett's failure to stand up for the tremendous green appeal and astonishing wildlife and surrounds of ancient Tasmania in the current climate and also to be representing a party that has disowned, albeit narrowly, the three mines policy on uranium mining. Difference of Opinion on the ABC provided a wealth of expert opinion and increased my resolve to vote Green in this election in both houses of parliament. I urge others to do so too, and certainly in the senate, where we have suffered the results of a token house of review for many years now with the coalition's majority in both houses after Labor treacherously gave preferences to Family First. Garret himself ran a smear campaign against the Greens. Remember how things like that can rebound - check your ethics politicians - the Democrats OK's the GST and that was virtually the end of their party. Please think carefully before you vote everyone, and try to consider whether we'll just be faced with a Liberal Party Lite if Labor has a majority in both houses. Tasmanians, my thoughts are with you. I strongly believe that tourism is the most wonderful future for you, and that woodchipping your forests in the world's third largest ever pulpmill is a disaster waiting to happen.

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jean-jacques Marchal
October 5th, 2007

I cannot express my dismay and disgust at this outrageous vandalism and cannot comprehend really how supposedly rational people can live with these type of decisions , today , knowing the tragedy at play in this world .

If the Australian people, and in this particular case ,the Tasmanian people cannot see the wrong in this proposal, it will only show to the rest of us that , at the very end , Greed was more powerful.

The battle is on , this is "The lord of the ring " !! The second Tasmanian Battle against Evil. Not the last one . Battle after Battle ,the peaceful warriors will prevail or we will all die.

J-J M

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Helen Cameron
October 5th, 2007

As an ex-patriate Tasmanian, when I visit launceston, I weep - quite literally because of the exisiting air pollution - but in my heart also to see my beautiful birth place being further desecrsted by Gunns and their diverse self-serving supporters. Is there no one with the will and the power to stop the pulp mill idea before it is too late for Tassie and the wider world?

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Carolyn Hodge
October 5th, 2007

In cases such as this I am worried about the terms of reference that the Chief Scientist was "allowed" or encouraged to investigate. It is easy to say it has been cleared if he was not able to make an investigation about certain criteria. I am also wondering why Gunns had the report before anyone else, surely this shows a rather cosy relationship between the government and Gunns. I wish we had governments in Australia that wanted to do the right thing rather than making it look like they are doing the right thing!

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Mary Teresa Hennessy
October 5th, 2007

I find it VERY difficult to understand why Labour has supported the Gun's Pulp Mill. Is Tasmania so badly off economically that the state needs the employment & income provided by the mill OR will the environmental damage caused to the environment far outweigh the monetary benefits gained? Can the safeguards which Mr. Turnbull says he has put in place be adequately monitored or will Tasmanians discover too late that they have been deprived of pristine forest and their adequate rainfall is suddenly vastly depleted? The next generation will sit in judgment of us just as the youth of today blame us for our lack of foresight and tardiness in remedying our present tragic water shortage. It seems to me that Mr. Garrett needs to be far more pro-active in his support of the Environment if he hopes to become Environment Minister. Thank you Get-Up for this opportunity.

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Lee Andrews
October 5th, 2007

It is outrageous to be building a pulp mill. The scale of the proposed mill is enormous and clearly will have enormous effects on the enviroment of the Tamar Valley and Bass Strait. Politicians are mad to think that it is acceptable to go ahead with it.

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Peter Graham
October 5th, 2007

Well might Malcolm Turnbull use his gift of sophistry to justify his decision to give approval to the Gunns Pulp Mill; well might Peter Garrett support that approval; but nobody with the slightest concern for the environment could approve of their actions. All parties to the rape of the Tasmanian old growth forests, Liberal, Labor and Gunns, should be very ashamed of themselves, if they are capable of feeling shame.

A pulp mill using plantation timber and situated in another, more suitable site with environmental controls similar than those employed in Scandanavia, could be acceptable. Such plantations must not be sited on areas where the old forests have been destroyed already already by slash and burn tactics. These must be restored and nurtured by the perpetrators for the future.

I expect that such a wish is but pie in the sky, given the shortsighted vision of gutless politicians and the venality of business, but the attitude of the Greens gives some hope.
Kevin Rudd should take a long look at himself and his party and then come out against this monstrosity. We can't expect that of John Howard but, should Labor wish to become the government, it must stand up and produce a policy that provides jobs for Tasmanians without destroying the environment, and therefore the economy.

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Ian Maclagan
October 5th, 2007

Malcolm & Peter - is it worlds best practice to destroy old growth forests!!! - show some backbone, leadership, commonsense - and start to use words like sustainability and biodiversity in your sentences.
I will be voting GREEN in preference to you cowboys.

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Michael Hare
October 5th, 2007

The Chief Scientist was restricted to considering only certain aspects of the Pulp Mill proposal by Gunns. There was no consideration of the impact of logging old-growth forests as opposed to plantation timber, no consideration of the impact on native animal life and no investigation of the possibilty of more suitable siting of a pulp mill such as at Burnie. The investigation was restricted to examining waste water and gases and their effect on the atmosphere and the hydrosphere locally. Therefore to claim that the decision has been based on "independent,scientific advise" is literally accurate and totally without a shred of scientific integrity. It is politically expedient, short term thinking which will damage Tasmania's image as a clean, green, natural environment and this will erode Tasmania's tourist industry.

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CHRISTINE EYRES
October 5th, 2007

I totally condemn this decision. We should be finding ways to cut paper use EG excess packaging by taxing unsustainable practices, as well as developing techniques to further improve our recycling capabilities. I can never forgive Peter Garrett, who was the absolute hero of my now grown (and environmentally aware ) children for totally caving in and sheding all the fine values we all thought he once stood for.

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Rob Priest
October 5th, 2007

I am embarrassed that our so-called leaders all worship the god of finance with scant regard for the future of life on earth. There are any number of plants which could be used to make paper - the only reason you choose to use trees is because they we have not yet consumed those forests which were old before our ancestors arrived in Australia.
Your bubble will burst soon - and I hope that you quickly realize that you live on the same planet as your 'subjects'.

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Robert Ness
October 5th, 2007

If the Howard Government and Malcolm Turnbull were genuinely concerned about the environment the would have insisted that the project used the latest Swedish no Chlorine pulp processes.

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Madoc E Sheehan
October 5th, 2007

sustainability: economics, environment and community.
What a disgrace that achieving 1 (possibly none) out of 3 of these measures is called "worlds best practice" sustainable development. Worlds best practice Corporate & Government Greed is closer to the truth. Shame on you Garrett...such false promise!!

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Barbara Roberts
October 5th, 2007

In eleven years Howard and his government of 'global warming sceptics' have sacrificed everything we hold dear. We have been living in 'cuckoo land' in deep slumber, lulled by a sense of superiority and complacency. While we were napping we lost our working rights, the right to high quality publicly-funded schools, TAFE Colleges, universities, hospitals and transport. We became involved in a 'dirty war' based on lies against a sovereign state resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. It is time to wake up.
The go-ahead for Gunns, the destruction of the Tiwi tropical savannah and rainforest and our participation in the war in Iraq must be the final acts of this government's environmental vandalism. We must be alert and alarmed when the taxpayer-funded advertising blitz is rolled out as it has been with WorkChoices to tell us why the Gunns Pulp Mill and ad infinitum, WorkChoices, are so good for us.
This is a monumental waste of our money at a time when public infrastructure and the environment are starved of funds and long-term investment.

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J. Vialle
October 5th, 2007

There is a bit of concern over where the timber is coming from... they need hardwood, and most of Tassie's plantations are softwood. Are there enough hardwood plantations, or are they depending on being able to log even more of our old-growth forests? Since the growing time for hardwood is 30 years or more, this could be a major problem.

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Bernie Payne
October 5th, 2007

I think it is disgusting that the shadow Minister for the Environment has supported this pulp mill. It is a given that parts of Tassies old growth forests are going to be logged for this purpose.
The majority of people in Tasmania object to the mill so politicians should be abiding by their wishes. Whatever happened to government of the people, by the people, for the people.
Peter Garrett and Malcolm Turnbull hang your heads in shame.

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Cyntha Karena
October 5th, 2007

Peter 'Beds are Burning' Garret - I'm so disapointed in you. I'm sure you think you are doing the right thing; but your good intentions may make things worse, i.e. a mill instead of no mill. I usually vote Green because Labour has gone downhill on environmental issues. (BTW Hawkie got a lot of support because of his stance against dams in Tassie, and I'm not even a big supporter of his.) I was going to vote Labour in this election to make sure the Liberals would be gone, but your decision to agree with Turnbull may tip me back to the Greens. Peter - please let it be different when you get in power; keep fighting the way you used to; toughen up and make sure you have a voice in the party room.

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Bill Lucas
October 5th, 2007

Mock Turnbull and Pete Garrett, ...... you can't eat money!!!!

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Michael Howard
October 5th, 2007

It seems many do not understand that there are two excellent reasons why it is so important to have the pulp mill.

For the owners, it's a case of profits (provided of course they don't do an actuarial valuation of the cost of replacing a tree).
For the politicians, including that ex-environmentalist rock singer, the ends justifies the means and the perception of the two largest parties seems to be that there are more votes to be gained by supporting the mill than by opposing it.
Of course I am one of the minority who believe we have a duty of care to the environment, so I am totally out of step - a plague on all their houses!

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jenny
October 5th, 2007

I am really sad about the pulp mill, and about logging generally in Tasmania

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viola wilkins
October 5th, 2007

The ANZ Bank is "Gunn's Bank" perhaps another approach to the tyranny of Gunns is to go to their financiers and ask them if they are an 'ethical business' or NOT in this case.
ANZ have recently withdrawn their association with the West Coast eagles Football team maybe they should dislike Gunns as much.
I shall certainly be letting ANZ known my displeasure and tell my famiy, friends, neighbours ad workmates who are also rethinking what to do about the pulp mill now that Liberal Minister Turnbull and Labor Tasmanian regime are so beholden to the Corporate dominatrix that is John Gay Inc.

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Paul anthony gill
October 5th, 2007

What level of dioxin is safe in the human body? Products of the Tamar Valley, Bass Strait and whither the winds and currents go will be contaminated by the one of the most toxic substances known.
How many deaths will it take till they know that too many people have died? The AMA estimates an additional 8 to 9 per year will be killed by the toxic wind blowin from the pulp mill?
Things to ponder when we put Gunn's generated dunny paper to use

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Ana Irene Gioino
October 5th, 2007

I support the fight of the people in Tasmania, opposing the pulp mill.

Politicians against people: what is new?
Love for power is stronger than the power of love in those members of the Senate or the Cabinet wearing well cut suits.

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Sonja Fitzgerald
October 5th, 2007

If you still want to object to this, email epbc.pulpmill@environment.gov.au, but please check out the media release containing all the conditions first.

They are available from http://www.environment.gov.au/epbc/notices/assessments/2007/3385/decision.html

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Lauree Brown
October 5th, 2007

The possibility of even a very small percent of dioxins in our environment spells longterm damage to the health of the residents of the region & those who eat the products grown in soils and the sea affected by this contaminent. In addition the wood needed for high maintenance of this mill will totally deplete Tasmanians forests & adversely affect climate change. I am opposed to this mill.

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Barbara Waters
October 5th, 2007

I don't believe that any scientist could approve a mill that will pollute the environment as this one will. I feel there has been pressure put on the Chief Scientist to approve this mill, and I will do everything I can to stop it happening.

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Graham Rutherford
October 5th, 2007

Well, at least the real issue is up front, profits for the real money makers .. The timber companies. Usually it is the emotive plea, save the jobs of the forestry workers. What the truck drivers, dozer operators and similar high skill workers. You could easily pay them all to stay home and save the clear felling and enviromental vandalism. When the issue really is save the timber companies and their massive profits.

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October 5th, 2007

I'm disappointed to see both Labor and the government so far out of step with public opinion on this issue. Peter Garrett and Kevin Rudd, you need to stand up and give us an alternative! Promise to review the decision after the election and give us something to vote for!

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Julie Nihill
October 5th, 2007

Those trees that Gunns are destroying, and for the most part burn off, lock in 1200 tonnes of carbon per hectare (cf. 2 to 3 tonnes in a new forest). To release that amount of carbon into the atmosphere is economic suicide.

To further use our taxes to prop up a business that WOULD NOT OTHERWISE SURVIVE, is a betrayal of everything that is good and true about Australia and Australians. The absence of integrity from both Labor and Liberal is breathtaking. Do you give any thought about your kids future?

The coming weeks are an opportunity for Australians to take responsibility for our country and to apply some sanity and intelligence to the running of the our economy. In many ways it all seems like someone is playing a joke to see just how much abuse we will take. Where has our larrikin spirit gone? Who is speaking for the possibility of an Australia that is compassionate, strong and fair?

The convict colony shenanigans might have been left behind in the last century, instead it is still here, right in our faces. Served up by Tasmania, propped by Canberra. Can we as a nation walk proudly amidst this stench? At the moment we are wallowing in it. Get Up Australia


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Megan Stuart
October 5th, 2007

Richard Flanagan's article in The Monthly earlier this year made my blood run cold at the corruption involved in this project. He is an established and respected writer and reading the article ought to be compulsory. I am a member of the ALP (is it better to be in the tent pissing out, or outside the tent pissing in?) and I wonder what Peter Garrett really thinks when he's not having to toe the party line.

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Anne Kotzman
October 5th, 2007

I am totally opposed to the building of this pulp mill and support all of those people in Tasmania who are continuing to fight against it. Will this vandalism of our environment never stop? I fully support the stance of Christine Milne and her supporters.

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Dick Clarke
October 5th, 2007

"World's best practice" is a relative term. It does not mean acceptable practice. The 'need' for a pulp mill must be considered against the current wastage of the resource (paper being used for low value shortlived purposes).

Cutting down pristine forest to make a daily newspaper is nonsense.

Saying it will nor use any old growth forest is also a furfy - it will divert huge log volumes from other sources, and includes old growth forest 'regrowth' logs. This will drive other log users into old growth forests instead.

Paul Lennon, Malcolm Turnbull, and everyone who works for Gunns will long be remembered, and not for any good they have done. Peter Garrett is in grave danger of being tarred with the same brush.

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helen Cosgrove
October 5th, 2007

Still no planning or real concern for the future of our planet! The decision to allow the construction of a pulp mill in Tasmania is indicative of the actions of desperate govenrments who hope to woo the electorate by doing what they think will be popular. Our children will curse our lack of foresight and the current worship of the god of opportunism and greed. Will they ever work it out?

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Marilyn Andrew
October 5th, 2007

I am very disappointed in Peter Garrett and the Labour Party stance on this issue. I am against the building of the pulp mill. I beleive Gunns are running the show and at the end of the day they will build whatever they want. Regardless of what any goverment or authority decide. They hold the power. Whatever happend to the big picture, it seems to have got lost in popularity race to win elections, not what's is best for Tasmania and Australia and their long term future.

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Adrian Barnes
October 5th, 2007

Is this really such a hard thing to fathom out. Mr Turnbull the planet is dying, it is so nice to know you are so willing to give it an extra helping hand. The utterly ludicrous response of not in my lifetime seems to be the excuse our governments have to not making a start with putting an end to this ridiculous practice. We need plantations to save the environment, not make more paper.

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john harwood
October 5th, 2007

I WOULD HAVE LIKED THE LABOUR PARTY TO SAY NO PULP MILL, I HAVE A FEELINF THAT IF ALL THE PROTESTS GO AHEAD HOWARD WILL AT THE LAST MINUTE WILL STOP GUNNS AND HE WILL COME OUT LOOKING A HERO AND WIN THE ELECTION.

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Irene Cutbill
October 5th, 2007

I cannot stress how disappointed I am in Peter Garrett's (and presumably the Labour Party's) response to the approval of the Gunns' pulp mill in the Tamar Valley. It seems we are not to be given a choice between the two major parties at the forthcoming election in this and other topics. So much for democracy! The ramifications of this will cause much harm to future generations - except, of course, to those lining their pockets. Come on Labour - give us a real choice in this election.

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W & M FREEMAN
October 5th, 2007

We believe that there needs to be more debate/discussion/research before the mill becomes a reality. This major development MUST be removed from the political agenda and scientifically reviewed by SEVERAL impartial bodies before decisions are made.

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October 5th, 2007

I am so disappointed about the lack of imagination and kowtowing to corporate interests that Australia's so called leaders are displaying. It's pathetic that sophistry like 'best practice' and citing a Chief Scientists report be used to justify a decision which may add short-term benefit to Gunns a balance sheet, but which ultimately benfits no-one. Please get serious about climate change. It's radical change that is necessary. There should be no apporoval of global warming activities whether they are best in the world or not. None! No euphemisms. No consultative process justifying the end. No exonerating circumstances.

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Kent Gorrell
October 5th, 2007

The emissions of dioxins is unacceptable in any amount.

Malcolm Turnbull tells us that if Gunns does not adhere to the current guidelines then they could be forced to introduce tertiary processing, that would all but eliminate this poisonous effluent.

Why not require that now?

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Elspeth Liberty
October 5th, 2007

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As a resident of Tasmania I am appalled that this pulp mill has got the go ahead. The Tamar River is a magnificent area of natural beauty with environmentally friendly trades such as tourism and wineries. Why must this be destroyed by a pulp mill. Why in this time of drought can it possibly be considered okay to use so much clean water and then pump the polluted waste into Bass Straight. I strongly oppose this decision.

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Miranda Jones
October 5th, 2007

Dear Getup,

The world's forests have major beneficial effects on air quality especially on carbon dioxide and oxygen levels. Pulp mills consume vast amounts of forest timber and spew out vast amounts of filth, and can be regarded as a cancer eating away at the lungs of the world. In this context, talk about "Worlds best practice" for dioxin emissions is just a diversion which fails to recognise the immense damage such industries are causing. Levels of emitted dioxins are particularly worrying. because they bioaccumulate and therefore tend to be concentrated in the food chain. On a health hazard spectrum of 0-3 polychlorinated dioxins register 2.8. A score of 3 represents a very high hazard to health. For comparison, arsenic has a health hazard of 2.3. Dioxins are also released into the air but 90% of dioxin intake comes from eating meat, dairy products and fish, all products which Tasmania prides itself on which are at risk if it is suspected that such produce may contain dioxins. Tourists will not care to visit the region and dependent industries, such as wineries, food producers and accommodation providers will be impacted. If the Tasmanian economy goes down the gurgler, can Gunns afford the compensation involved? I don't think so!



Dr.Ken Jones

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Gianni Montalto
October 5th, 2007

Malcolm and Peter,
Your blessing is just plain stupid. Friends and family of all political persuasions are stunned.

Protecting and supporting the environment against arguments from other government departments, uninformed individuals, private or narrow short-term interests, should be your focus. Looking after the environment is of course a complex task, but allowing the degradation of our land, air and water, with all we know today, is imbecelic.

The issue is not said and done. As if you need proof, australians will again show their reverence for trees, natural habitat, clean air and water by the way they vote in 2007.

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Jocelyn Hulme
October 5th, 2007

I am very concerned that the Labor Party and Peter Garrett have approved this mill. How can any logging that will remove 200,000 ha of wonderful, pristine forest not have a disastrous effect on the environment?

Not only do the majestic Eucalyptus regnans go but with them myrtles, sassafras, leatherwood and celery-top pine many of which trees are centuries old and are found nowhere else on earth.

From some of the news that has trickled through it appears that there is not wholehearted support from Tesmanians for the mill. One report said that two thirds were against it.

We cannot trust either major party with the welfare of the country.

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Arthur C. B. Macartney
October 5th, 2007

After seeing the destruction by the pulp mill to forest and the colossal polution to the sea at Port Alice on Vancouver Island I cannot agree with Governments plan for the Tamar River. Sea life will be in constaqnt danger no matter what sort of regulations are put on PAPER.

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Andrew Partos
October 5th, 2007

The chief scientist is a Howard Government employee. He cannot be trusted.
At the next Federal election both the Liberal and the Labour Parties should be reduced to pulp.

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Alan Morley
October 5th, 2007

Who is taking care of the impact assessment for those items so blatantly missing? Air, residents, existing businesses to name but a few!

If a FULL and COMPLETE impact assessment were undertaken, I doubt the mill would be built. All strength to Geoffrey Cousins and others who will now target banks and other supporters of the project.

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max knight
October 5th, 2007

I wouldn't expect anything else from Turnbull and Howard and they were always going to find a way to try and justify the mill proceeding - Howard's brand of capitalism out of control yet again. But, it is the ALP that I'm bitterly disappointed with. Peter Garrett, Kevin Rudd and the entire ALP are spineless, fence sitters, more concerned about where the votes may or may not be rather than the principle thats at stake. We want a real alternative, but the way the ALP aren't prepared to take an stand on this and a number of other significant issues may well result in the anti Howard vote at the forthcoming election being spread too widely amongst a number of parties that allows the worst government in this country's history to get relected. If that happens Rudd, Garrett and co. will have much to answer for.

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stewart macinnes
October 5th, 2007

Both the Coalition and Labour are buying votes at grotesque cost to the environment. And what price Peter Garrett's position on this disastrous proposal? The Commonwealth Chief Scientist was allowed, and accepted, a very limited span of criteria to comment on, thus delivering the Coalition/Gunn outcome. How do we fight this?

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Arthur C. B. Macartney
October 5th, 2007

After seeing the destruction by the pulp mill to forest and the colossal polution to the sea at Port Alice on Vancouver Island I cannot agree with Governments plan for the Tamar River. Sea life will be in constant danger no matter what sort of regulations are put on PAPER.

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October 5th, 2007

Both the Coalition and Labour are buying votes at grotesque cost to the environment. And what price Peter Garrett's position on this disastrous proposal? The Commonwealth Chief Scientist was allowed, and accepted, a very limited span of criteria to comment on, thus delivering the Coalition/Gunn outcome. How do we fight this?

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JOY BLORE
October 5th, 2007

Why is it that when local communities don't want something they are ignored. Its going on all over Australia. In Qld we had no say in the council amalgamations which is going to cost a fortune. People would be astounded if they knew the real cost and we are told its to save money.
Kevin Rudd I'm disappointed and feel you have got it wrong, please promise to investigate further after the election and do so. This whole debacle has been very political from the start, with clandestine meetings taking place between the proposed operator and Government Officials. How do we know our Chief Scientist hasn't been gotten to, he says not but truly do you believe him. More to the point why would you when he has put his stamp on such an appalling attack on our environment. All of Australia is watching. This is the sort of thing that we are all sick of.

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Patricia W. Asch
October 5th, 2007

If the mill goes ahead, critical to the future of Tasmania, is the monitoring of pollution and of the source of timber. But once the mill is built, what will happen if there is dangerous effluent? What will happen if the mill needs more wood than is available from plantations? What will happen if the tourism, fishing, and agriculture (particularly the wonderful Tasmanian wines) are negatively affected? What will happen if asthma and other repiratory disease increase? Will the mill be shut down? I doubt it? Gunn's CEO said on radio today, they could easily meet the requirements. Will there be another scientific study of their suggested changes to meet the new guidelines before construction commences? Mr. Turnbull, will you please respond? Mr. Garrett, you could, too. P. Asch

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r a smith
October 5th, 2007

The sad fact to my way of thinking was that there never was any doubt that the pulp-mill would be approved. I live in Minister Turnbull's electorate. I hope he is a one-term wonder. Still I blame a Federal Gov that still does not really have any clue about Global Warming. Even an looming election will not change a decade of neglect. The Rudd team looks poor as well, but I hope they improve when elected. For now the mess just gets worse.

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PETER WOODS
October 5th, 2007

Federal Labor has squibbed it, and it is an absolute outrage.
They were going to get my vote now I will vote green.

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Gavin Pilz
October 5th, 2007

I think it's a mistake to assume that the Pulp mill is a foregone conclusion. The people of Australia fought successfully at a grassroots level against the building of a dam on the Franklin river, and this is an option to save the Tamar valley and Tasmania's old growth forest. Passive resistance is the only thing that will get through to politicians.

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LORRAINE FREW
October 5th, 2007

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I think even thinking about a mill is insanity what with climate change. Everyday there is more info coming out about what we are in for with climate change. What is wrong with our politicians? The Greens are the only ones with any sense..

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Sabina Morrow
October 5th, 2007

Yet again the political machine fails to see why it exists. Not for its own sake but as a working tool for the people. good on you Tassie for standing up for yourself. I hope the 'bigger' states can show their dsigust at these hollow promises which don't bear up to close scrutiny.

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Barbara Church
October 5th, 2007

Your comment The Australian Gov has no right to destroy the environmental heritage of this country by removing forests and pumping out pollutants in Tasmania for the sake of its business biddies, big profits or any other reason. We will stand behind the people of the Tamar Valley and the people of Tasmania and continue to voice our opposition.

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Kathleen Earsman
October 5th, 2007

We need every tree, alive. Sacrificing the planet for paper is simply ludicrous.

I do not buy anything made of paper any more and I will not be voting for any party that has supported this mill. Under any circumstances.

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Sarah Randles
October 5th, 2007

As a Tasmanian living in Sydney I'm appalled by this decision, as I am appalled every time I visit my family to see dozens of huge logging trucks loaded with ancient trees. I do not believe the process for approving this mill was fair and open at any level from the the state government to the federal minister. As for Peter Garrett, I am so bitterly disappointed in the behaviour of someone I once revered that I will take the Greens' lead and not give any preferences to either Liberal or Labour in the Federal Election.

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Kathleen Earsman
October 5th, 2007

While we are on the subject, what about the Tiwi Islands, where logging is also taking place. What are we thinking? Are we unable to make the necessary changes to save our planet? Surely money is not THAT important!

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Elizabeth Jansen
October 5th, 2007

I heard one comment that the guidelines given to the scientist were quite limited. Was this so, if it is true, what could have been the results if their terms of reference were broader

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Alleyne Mulvenna
October 5th, 2007

bloody hell why do govenments have to distroy everything thats beautiful and put local people into the unemployment line don't we have enough people there already with government selling off govenment business to off shore business. we need every trees to help stop the climate warming problem and to create rain the area of tasmania is our hertiage and should be left that way. The govemnet can't promise the environment wouldn't be distroyed hands off Mr Howard we don't need that pulp mill

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Mercia Andrews
October 5th, 2007

"Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky
We fell them down and turn them into paper
That we may record our emptiness"
So wrote Kahlil Gibran 1883 - 1931 will we ever learn?

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J J
October 5th, 2007

Senator Milne has my vote as do the Greens - the majority of Tasmanians don't want this mill and it's very disappointing to see none of the major parties respect public opinion any more. This issue, the shameful work choices policies,and the stupid govt advertising campaigns (such as 'Clever' climate change) being forced down the throats of the public have convinced me that the only serious party to consider is the Greens. And shame on you Peter Garrett - we always expected you would stand up and do the right thing.

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Robyn Lee
October 5th, 2007

Peter Garrett, while understanding the position Labor is in, to avoid being wedged by Howard, it is tragic watching you having to conform. Our hope is that you are able to express your true environmental beliefs if you get into government. Many of us are depending on you to lead the global warming debate and present a 'big picture' in the future. Without a major change in Australia's policies, we are lost. Australia could be a world leader in addressing what has to be done.

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Rose Fox
October 5th, 2007

The despair I was feeling about this insane albeit predictable decision was lessened hearing Bob Brown on radio today about the fight to save the Franklin river, words to the effect of: "if I'd said OK I give up after both parties approved the dam, the mainstream media agreed, the Supreme Court dismissed our action, if I'd said well we're done for ... but I didn't, we didn't, and despite the government wasting millions of dollars pursuing it, THERE IS NO DAM."
Fight on! Oh yeah, and Bob Brown for Prime Minister, please!

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anne-marie strickland
October 5th, 2007

What a smack in the eye for Australian voters who thought this just might be a genuine consultation. The decisions should not have been made till after the election, given the strength of opposition from across the nation to the mill. No doubt the Gunns bulldozers were out there first thing this morning, doing as much damage as possible before the government changes - just in case there might be a serious outcry from some fool in the electorate. Turnbull's process has allowed them a fait accomplit. I think both major parties might have underestimated the political backlash.
Tasmania has had years to seriously focus on creating new economic opportunities and jobs in new fields, but has taken the lazy way out by relying on low-value woodchips. Tasmania does not belong to Lennon, or Gunns, or people who work in the industry.

I would urge voters across the nation to boycott the major parties: tick What Women Want in the Senate and ask that they give preferences to the Greens. May Howard and Turnbull lose their seats, and may Garrett and Rudd turn their considerable brainpower to new ways of doing things, instead of continuing the failure of imagination we have seen from the Liberal Party.

Voters treated in this way are likely to turn around and smack the perpetrators in the head, whichever party they represent. Our present political representatives don't have a brain between them.

We need a new way to elect our representatives. Let's bypass this childish slanging match over one project and the next, and the millions wasted playing games and telling lies. Chuck 'em all out and start again.

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Marian Dalton
October 5th, 2007

Judith King put her finger on the real problem - the ludicrous excuse for "terms of reference" in the question of the environmental impact of this pulp mill. Maybe The Hon. Mr Turnbull has imposed extra conditions on Gunns, but he's said himself he "can't" look at the impact on local air quality because the terms of reference "don't allow it". This is a blatant attempt to dodge the issue that would (and should) lead to Gunn's proposal for the mill to be denied. Mr Turnbull knows it, and for Mr Garrett - Labor's so-called "environmental spokesman" - to allow this issue to slide is absolutely inexcusable.

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Kathleen Delaney
October 5th, 2007

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The additional threat to Tasmania's old growth forests which is posed by this pulp mill, no matter how many restrictions are placed on it, makes the mill insupportable. In addition, the huge subsidies from both State and Federal Governments, some $847 million over the life of the mill renders the supposed economic benefits meaningless.

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Denis Wilson
October 5th, 2007

I believe that to approve a chlorine-based bleaching process in a pulp mill is NOT Worlds Best Practice - despite what Mr Turnbull claims.
Stop the mill now!
Denis Wilson
Voter. Electorate of Hume - where Alby Schulz probably has never heard of Tasmanian forests, or Bass Strait waters, or anything else. He is out kissing babies. God help us!

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Christina Hayes
October 5th, 2007

Well I think it's marvelous that Malcolm Turnbull has made sure that someone will be counting the dead seal pups and baby penguins, year after year, to ensure the mill doesn't do too much damage.
One can only assume that world's best practice is a very low standard to meet.
Surely really best practice would be to preserve a pristine environment, craved by everyone, and build on tourism as has been done so successfully in N.Z.

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CHRISTINE SIPMA
October 5th, 2007

Your comment Jobs and the economy today, death tomorrow. In this aged of reason there is no excuse or reason to go ahead with a project such as this. By the time we know if the levels as quoted are reasonable the damage is already done and people and the environment have been destroyed.
Governments of all sides must find other ways for communities to be viable, after all that is why they spend so much money trying to get our vote.

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Patricia Hovey
October 5th, 2007

I am also bemused by the ALP's support for the paper mill. Sure the conditions imposed will improve some aspects of its operation such as reduction in emission of dioxins but they will still be pulping hundreds of hectres of old growth forest. At what point will Kevin Rudd take a stand or does anything go as long as he avoids bein "wedged" by Howard? How can a Labor government maximise the use of plantation timbers as Peter Garret says should happen if they have given such uncritical support to the decision?

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Mary Sciberras
October 5th, 2007

I am getting very tired of the "Me too" stand the Labor Party is constantly taking and now the last straw is Peter Garrett's latest agreement with Malcolm Turnbull's decision on the mill.

Both the Labor and Liberal parties are devoid of any moral ethics.

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NEIL CLIFFORD
October 5th, 2007

I am surprised that there seems to be surprise at this decision. It was always going to be, and is entirely consistent with the 1950s thinking of this shameful government we have had to tolerate for 11 years; a government whose only discernible policy is to maintain a budget surplus, while steadily running down Australia’s real capital: social capital, human skills, infrastructure, education, research support, hospital funding etc etc, while encouraging our baser instincts: racism, xenophobia etc. All its other so-called policies are merely cynical attempts to garner votes. Are we Australians really so stupid? We were in the last election. Unfortunately Labor seems determined to offer no alternative. The only ethical path open is to vote for neither of them.

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Mick O'Connor
October 5th, 2007

Having vacationed in the Tamar Valley, I can't think of a more inappropriate place to build a pulp mill. The people who live there will be subjected to an unacceptable amount of air pollution and environmental degradation. If, after considered scientific opinion, a pulp mill is to be built, Burnie is a much better fit, having an industrial base to begin with. I am concerned with the dioxin contamination as well as the CO2 emissions, and the fact that Tasmania's tourist industry is at the whim of Gunns' business model.

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Peter Berger
October 5th, 2007

Goeff Cousins should be asked to post a blog with pix under C.Milline's if you guys are serious about a debate rather than a hobsons choice between the despicable and the unellectable.

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Heather Formaini
October 5th, 2007

This has been the most appalling example of destructiveness on the part of the Liberal Party and the Labor party. We need to ensure that neither Mr Turnbull nor Mr Garrett are returned to their seats, given that they have come to such a decision. We need good decision-makers, ones who want to see the future of our planet.

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anne-marie strickland
October 5th, 2007

And another thing. Gunn's Bank may be happy to finance this mill, but I challenge Gunn's to run their business plan and scientific studies past the burghers at Triodos Bank - then we'd see whether it was "sustainable" or not. If they really believe their own spin, they'd have no hesitation in accepting that challenge.
I await a response from Mr Gay.

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Patricia Kirkman
October 5th, 2007

It is hard to say anything different from what has already
been said. All I can say is God help us when those we elect to serve us behave like our masters rather than our servants. Democracy is in a perilous state.

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Ken Whittaker
October 5th, 2007

Could someone tell me what is and who measures "World Best Practice".
I have witnessed what our industry leaders and Government have done in the past resulting in the current "Climate Change" situation, no doubt using "World Best Practice" and might I confess during my watch, so what should we expect from them in this case.

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Sandra Krof
October 5th, 2007

Gunns does it again! A hand in glove arrangement between big business and the Government. Mr Turnball was NEVER going to stop this pulp mill from going ahead - it would take too much decency and courage to do otherwise. Two qualities that I don't immediately attribute to Minister Turnbull and his collegues. The losers, as always, the environment, wildlife, inhabitants within and around the area, and of course future generations.

I applaud Senator Milne on speaking honestly and passionately. Why can't we have more Greens in our parliament? It's sorely needed! The public and the environment has been let down oh so many times.

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Jennifer Cramer
October 5th, 2007

I am utterly disgusted that Turnbull (and gullible turncoat Garrett) has given the Pulp Mill the go-ahead. Reassurances are thin and selective in content. Aspects of irreversible air pollution, poisoned sea-life and environmental destruction have been ignored. What qualifies as 'world's best practice'? Empty words. How is this measured? Forests around the globe are diminsishing daily from insatiable and rapacious felling at any price and great human cost - and all for greed. Tasmania's native forests are small and already depleted. Promises of employment are merely to get forest workers on-side and promises of employment are shortlived when after the pulp mill is built only '290' permanent jobs will be on offer. Gunn's and their accomplice Lennon are bluffing the workers for Gunn's profit alone. The preservation of Tasmania's forests and water ways is vital to future generations. Surely the Pulp Mill cannot proceed while a full investgation has not taken place and there is no guarantee whatsoever that Gunn's will or even can comply.

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suzanne fegan
October 5th, 2007

It's hard not to feel quite betrayed by both the major political parties on the issue of the Gunns pulp mill. From the Howard government, whose committment to economic rationalism has never faltered, it was anticipated; this government is clearly dismissive of any environmental issue unless it costs votes. From the Labour party, and Peter Garrett, it is excruciatingly myopic. Tasmania is world famous as a natural environment, with great potential to grow environmental tourism and all the positive spin-offs that this can create. Instead, a company which practices clearfelling in Tasmania's old growth forests with flagrant diregard for environmental concerns is allowed to expand. What is going on??

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Yvonne Wilkins
October 5th, 2007

I've very disappointed the mill has been approved federally. I really hope the Labor party would stop it going ahead if they got into power, and if they commit to this then i hope everyone votes for them and that the Liberals loose the seats of Bass & Braddon. This is the only way i can think of where the people could get to choose whether or not they have a Pulp Mill.

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Ann Foley
October 5th, 2007

Federal Labor is in lock-step with the Liberals, bent on logging Tasmania's old-growth forests, as if there is no alternative. Peter Garrett used to think for himself. He used to lead on these and so many other issues. Just as well there are political alternatives.

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Jan Carroll
October 5th, 2007

The fight is definitely not over. The general public were rather apathetic about the pulp mill last election. The dynamics have changed right around and now apathy is not the deal, so we need to make it clear to Labor that we do not want Tasmania plundered for profit any further. We need to let them see that we, the people, have finally found our voice. Use it.

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leslie wand
October 5th, 2007

i don't believe we deserve such self-seeking, gutless, pathetic politicians as turnbull and garett.

turnbull has already proved his credentials in indonesia with the companies he organised to exploit the forests there - all the while saying he was just called in to sort out thje 'business' end of the operation.

garett, well, talk about sell-out. just who the hell does he think he's fooling?

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Penny Adams
October 5th, 2007

I am tired of hearing about "World's Best Practice". So we can afford to do it better than someone else. That doesn't say much at all. Firstly, it doesn't stop them doing it anyway. And secondly, it doesn't mean that if we achieve "World's Best Practice" then all the negative consequences will suddenly evaporate or be somehow cancelled out. Maybe this mill WILL achieve the highest standard of a pulp mill ever achieved. Big woop. It's still a bloody pulp mill. Upon what basis is the decision made that building a pulp mill is Worlds' Best Practice in creating economically and environmentally sustainable development?

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Cathy Smith
October 5th, 2007

I am very interested in the number of hectares of trees that must be sacrificed despite the reassurance that the mill's environmental footprint will be neutral..
To quote a well-known personality "Please explain"

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Paul Hammond
October 5th, 2007

Aside from the potential long-term & medium-term consequences of toxic side-effects from such a profit seeking plant, other than closing the plant down, is there any other built-in disincentive to negligence that ensures the plant continues to run safely? Are there profit stripping fines for damage? Are there automatic punitive measures in place for the directors of this company that would reflect the seriousness of any possible negligence in the form of imprisonment or huge fines?
With the plant being so close to the river, is there any fail-safe buffer zone in, around and under the plant to ensure that any damage to the plant from unforeseen events such as fire or explosion will not result in contamination through run-off or seepage into the ground?
It is but one thing to guarantee dioxin output levels in the waste water, but like a nuclear power plant, the potential for a disaster must be factored in. Once a major dioxin breach is in the river, it cannot be simply undone. Is an outcome of bad publicity for politicians and the company going to be enough to correct any disaster that ensued?

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Barbara Bryan
October 5th, 2007

This is an appalling state of affairs in a period when we need to save our natural environments to save our planet !! We are totally with you on this critical issue...we cannot believe that our politicians can decide to destroy what is the most pristine state and world leading tourist attraction, organic food source, etc etc for such a selfish, arrogant company demand such as Gunns. In this day and age we need to save what is left of forests and to promote it as an even bigger tourism, outdoors, nature attraction for the world to see !! This would generate many times more employment, income and security for the people of Tasmania on a long term, sustainable basis....nothing has changed down there in 36 years since we first assisted in the campaign to save the pristine Lake Peddar! What is it about some Tasmanian politicians - they really do seem to have two heads (each), of no use to anyone!

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stephen henry
October 5th, 2007

I believe in profit, hard work, and private as well as public ownership. I do not believe a word Gunns says. I don't believe a worg the Howard and Lennon Governments say.
If Mr Turnball wants us to believe he based his decision on objective information, why didn't he get the cheif scientist to assess the greenhouse emmissions vs's carbon sink equation, or the air quality issue?
Mr Garrett can try to soothe with words about value adding,
but they only sooth the wested interests they represent.

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Paul McLIsky
October 5th, 2007

Reassurances that the proposed pulp mill has "the world's toughest environmental conditions" (Malcom Turnbull) and "best practice environmental outcomes" (Peter Garrett) are interesting. Malcom, who has judged the toughness of the environmental decisions you refer to, and against which projcts? Peter, who has decided that "World's Best Practice" has been exceeded, and how did they come to this conclusion? Do the above reassurances cover the full spectrum of the project or just that of the mill, which you have referred to in your comments?

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Morag Campbell
October 5th, 2007

It was an outcome to be expected of Malcolm Turnbull and the liberal Government but Peter Garrett should be ashamed of himself and the labour party for allowing this mill to go ahead. I suggest that the leader of the ruling party in Tasmania stop whingeing about jobs in this area. Have a look at the Otway Ranges here in Victoria, the changes that are going ahead there with the end of logging approaching. People have found jobs in other areas,started other industries and tourism of many forms is forging ahead. The Tamar Valley will have similar opportunities for jobs in tourism and the like if this mill was not to go ahead. Time for some lateral thinking from Lennon and those in favour of the Mill. There are other ways around the job and employment issue. Tasmanians may live to rue the day if the Mill gets built. We all will.

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Andrew Crane
October 5th, 2007

I'm not sure what's most disappointing!

Is that that we are governed by a party which places the economy over sustainability or the that an environmental hero like Peter Garret can suddenly stand in line behind big business in pursuit of political power.

How is it OK to pulp old growth forest? How can it be best practice? What happened to our hero?

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John Fogarty
October 5th, 2007

Your comment What insanity! The fact is that the findings the Chief Scientist was forced to deliver, by severely limiting the terms of reference - a devious ploy that the Howard government excels in, are not valid and should ring loud alarm bells. This mill will pollute. Will it be shut down if it does? No it won't. It will be claimed that it is too expensive to shut it down. Too late then. So the pollution will grow. People will die because of this greed. PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS.

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Robert E Williams
October 5th, 2007

The more insidious problem will be the smell. Anyone who lives downwind of a sewage treatment knows that this can cause real illness. The Tamar Valley will stink. The people there will be impreganted with the smell of it. The worlds best practice is no argument for any situation that runs even one gram of dioxin into the ocean where it does not exist now. Hemp makes better paper than wood chips anyway.

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Margaret Maddock
October 5th, 2007

In looking at the global effects of this kind of insanity, of which this Pulp Mill is just one example, I have recently found a website called www.consciousmedianetwork.com, which has detailed interviews from many individuals, science sustainability and health oriented alike, showing aspects of the global awareness that is currently massively available to anyone who doesn't walk around with their eyes closed.
I would suggest if you get a chance to take a look at the interviews with Aaron Russo who has died since this interview was recorded, who talks about the world banking system, and where it's money is usually spent, and the two interviews with Alfred Webre speaking on Exo-politics. Both show clearly the corruption which has led this planet to the deadly situation we have now, which most politicians, apparently including the Labor Party if Mr Garrett's words are any indication, are quite happy to maintain even though up to 80% of the human population knows it is not sustainable.
I would suggest very seriously to look at the Greens, or a range of Independents as being the only hope Australia may have of becoming the example for future generations that it is capable of, or the "follow the lead of the killers" routine which appears to be their current course.
While that may sound emotionalistic... it's not. You only have to look at how much money is being made by the global finance brokers to realise, none of the pretty words delivered by Mr Garrett (who may find these interviews enlightening), or the obvious and predictable lies told by the Liberals Howards and Bushs of the world aside, to realise it is fact. What we have to figure is who are we going to vote for, are we willing to accept the fact that any Australian leader who doesn't toe the "global economy" line may suffer in the same way as all the others who've been conveniently assassinated when their message of peace got too loud, and what are we as individuals willing to do, other than make noises.
I'm voting Greens, with preferences directed to Labor, the somewhat more adequate of two giant evils, and intend to work hard to raise awareness in a peaceful, earth-centred way.
What are you going to do?

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Toni Appleton
October 5th, 2007

There are an awful lot of log trucks in Tasmania. Two hundred and fifty of them turned up to talk to Mr Howard in the dying days of the last election campaign at Launceston. Who do these drivers/owners vote for? How much is at stake? Judith King - I agree, it is just plain scary.

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Ted Bain
October 5th, 2007

I'm shocked & disgusted at the federal govt's decision to allow this pulp mill. As far as Howard's govt is concerned, the bottom line is the 'almighty dollar'. Well, that is NOT the bottom line. It is in fact the local population and environment that should be our foremost concern. Don't give up the fight people - it's still possible to overturn this decision. Finally, I am shocked at Peter Garrett's approval for the current setup of the mill 'cause I've seen him with Midnight Oil many many times over the 70s/80s/90s and that's not the PG that I remember. Has politics changed your outlook Pete? It's sad.

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Stuart McConville
October 5th, 2007

I'd like to know whether a decent environmental economic study has been done to value the resource at the opportunity cost of other uses. I'd also like to know whether oxygen bleaching processes were considered and why dioxin bleaching was selected in favour of oxygen bleaching.

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October 5th, 2007

Let's get some balance.

On the one side, we are all users of paper. The wood is going to be chipped somewhere, and the paper is going to be made somewhere. If this particular mill is less damaging to the world than any alternative, the fact that the damage it causes is in our own backyard should not be an objection.

On the other side, it does not seem that Mr Turnbull's inquiry covered anything like all the relevant questions. To take one simple example, given that it takes (say) thirty years before a new growth or plantation forest can be harvested again, the area needed to provide a continuous source of timber can easily be calculated. What is this required area, and precisely where is it located?

I am sure that Gunns have done the calculations and picked the locations, and maybe they have published their answers, but I haven't seen a clear statement about this. Can anybody enlighten me? Without such a statement, the impact on wildlife, tourism, alternative forest industries and other agriculture cannnot be assessed.

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Tischner-King
October 5th, 2007

What money scam is this again, on the back of the environment and the people living there. When does the government wake up to being there to protect their land and people?

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Andrew M Evans
October 5th, 2007

This decision is irresponsible to say the least. The whole argument has focussed on the dioxin level and has ignored the environmental vandalism associated with the logging method (clear felling) commonly used by log chippers. Logging for construction timber is bad but at least loggers tend to leave young trees which they may intend to fall in later years but wood chippers take the lot.
I fear that Peter Garrett, whom I have always admired,has totally lost his principles whilst Malcolm Turnbull and John Howard never had any.

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Ian Irvine
October 5th, 2007

We all know this is about Neo-Con 'hostage politics' - the federal govt. holds one prized area of progressive concern 'hostage' while it wedges the main opposition into a passionate outcry - which is then punished by the non-progressive majority at the election. Sound familair - as in 11 years of this rubbish! This govt. has constantly used the environment as a wedge issue, it doens;t give a damn about it, period - other issues appear almost daily in the election lead up - neo-colonial style interventions in Aboriginal communities, Sudanese refugees being scapegoated, a Tasmanian hospital cherry picked, state-related council issues, etc. etc.. In the case of the mill the wedge has backfired, federal Labor hasn't been drawn. Labor can't afford to give Howard the kind of photo opportunity he got at the last election - and let's face it the mainland didn't return enough Green preferences to save the country (or Senate) on that occasion ... it's thus up to the public to realise it has to get passionate about a whole range of issues and say enough is enough - this is where GetUp is so good, it's about reeducation and harnessing public unease/outrage to constructive/collective ends. Hopefully the public will get angry and make cross-issue connections, thus demanding more progressive positions from all of its politicians - starting in this case with the federal govt. and the state Labor government - vote them out, it's that simple!

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Teresa Findlay barnes
October 5th, 2007

It always seems such a struggle between work and the environment but surely knowing what we do about the loss of so much beauty and irrepalacable environments has to be considered and governments have a responsibility to develop other industries and skill up workers to take their place in thoses industries. Pay workers from the timber industry a decent livable wage equal to what they wood earn in the pulp mill industry while thay train and develop other skilled industries.We need plumbers mechanics nurses teachers pay and train and build up a skilled educated work force.

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antonio mazzella
October 5th, 2007

This is a poisonous toxic disgrace.Malcolm Turnbull actually relaxed his conditions to alow twice the amount of toxic Chlorex to be discharged from the Pulp Mill- then lied about it.
Both Malcolm Turnbull and Peter Garret should be chucked out of office for approving this farce .
Again short sighted greed and cozy back room liberal and big business deals have left the local economies and Australias environment and economy the losers.
I SAY NO TO THE PULP MILL!
I WILL NOT VOTE FOR LIBERAL OR LABOUR.

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Robert Kellow
October 5th, 2007

World's best practice? Maybe, but what will be the net environmental outcomes? And can Minister Turnbull please make it known what penalties will be imposed upon Gunns for any breach of the any of the conditions attached to the operation of this mill?

Mr. Garrett - I'm sick and tired of Labor's 'me too' policies. Here was yet another chance for Labor to seize the initiative, and prohibit unsustainable industry development. Labor (yet again) blew it!

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roxanne ashby
October 5th, 2007

Tasmania has a disappointing track record for short fixes to the economy, logging old growth forests is a prime example. The poposed pulp mill is another, however, in this case one large company has an uncompromised influence with the democratic running of this state. It is both corrupt and unhealthy. I cant understand why Tasmanians are so complacent and not out in the streets waging a loud and forceful protest. History will see the sad and sorrowful destruction of a unique, beautiful and peaceful part of the world.

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Lois Roberts
October 5th, 2007

Dear Pristine Christine,
If the Greens were capable of rational negotiation from a mature adult perspective they would achieve much more for the cause they espouse.

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Julia Thornton
October 5th, 2007

Why is the Labor Party following the Liberals on an election losing strategy?
The pulp mill was not scientifically assessed on anything like a full determination of environmental damage - too many spects were excluded from being considered by Chief Scientist Peacock. It's unbelievable that at a time when Australians are voting on preventing climate change and saving the environment that both major parties could be so stupid!
PS Malcolm, there is an apostrophe in "Chief Scientist's report...

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claire hughes
October 5th, 2007

The mill might be World's Best Practice, so were open air atomic bomb tests at one time, but that doesn't make it right. The forests of the mainland have been plundered causing our continent to become dryer & dryer .. is this what we want for Tasmania??

We, belatedly, found out that asbestos was extremely harmful. We mined & used it for years with the powers that be knowing that. Do we want to again find out belatedly that the pulp mill effluent is also highly toxic with all the human, animal and financial costs involved??

Let's spend the money they've been using for Gunn's tax breaks etc on retraining the timber workers. Make them timber/animal conservers or plumbers/carpenters; train them in the skills the country is desperately short of.

Let's think outside the square as our ancestor's did. The brave people from Roscommon of the 1840s or from Somerset in the 1850s. They'd be ashamed of us now.

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Jim Thomson
October 5th, 2007

As a long term resident of inland desert Australia and a person who has travelled extensively around this country, please believe me when I state that Tasmania and the South West and South East of the country are absolute jewels.
The destruction of our last clean green areas must stop.
Whats happened to Peter Garrett? you have really lost the plot whilst playing party politics Peter.

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Lois Roberts
October 5th, 2007

We, Anglo Australians, destroyed the Indigenous native forests with our farming practices. What are we going to do about it? Relegate animal farms to the dust and farm forests instead? Not the Greens - no way. They are incapable of compromise nor of righting old wrongs.

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Sally Woodward
October 5th, 2007

Those that feel they want to do something in addition to supporting the GetUp campaign, I recommend you consider becoming a member of the Wilderness Society. I've been a member for a number of years now and they have been working on this issue a long time. They were the ones that initiated the courtcase against the government and need all the financial support they can get to keep this going. Even just a one off donation would help.

I've been a Labor voter all my life, and they have slowly but surely lost my vote. This latest decision to support the government sealed it for me. I will now be voting Greens first, then democrats as they're the only ones who seem to care about what the people actually want. Labor will only get my vote marginally ahead of Liberals.

I also urge people to read the book High & Dry by Guy Pearse (ex Howard Govt advisor to the environment minister). Although the book is about to Climate Change policy I'm sure there are parallels to be drawn with what's going on with this pulp mill. If you don't have time to read the book then check out his website at www.highanddry.com.au There's some quite horrifying stuff going on behind the scenes that isn't commonly known about.

I'm incredibly unhappy with this decision, but unfortunately like so many others, not surprised by it.

To the people of Tasmania, don't give in, so many of us are behind you 100 per cent and please, strongly consider voting Green - it only needs to be for one term while this mess gets sorted out. How good would it be to have a Green politician actually figthting the fight in parliament for you, not to mention the message it would send the major parties about what the people of Tassie want for their amazing environment.

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Jane Fountain
October 5th, 2007

To the Media - I expect you to ask, on our behalf, the questions that go beyond the rhetoric. What is 'world's best practice'? Who will monitor the rules? Who will appoint the monitors? When do the penalties apply - what enforcement do the monitors have? What is world's best pracice for air quality? Who will monitor sustainability of the supply of plantation wood?
I am disapointed that most Gov't ministers have their statements accepted at face value by the media.
Thankyou to Get-up for giving voice to the real questions.

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Sally Morris
October 5th, 2007

This is abominable... to treat such precious natural resources so contemptibly is to commit an atrocious destruction that can never be undone... i think that history will revile this period and the people who made these utterly stupid decisions out of fear of the logging industry interfering with their chances of getting into power and/or retaining it. It's just not acceptable for any reasonable person and the only people who seem to think it is are those who are making a buck out of raping the forest.

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Suzette Kelson
October 5th, 2007

I am appalled that politics is more important yet again than our environment. I am appalled that Gunns has won yet again to ruin more of our unqiue and special wildnerness in TAssie. When will this stop! When does the majority vote of the people in TAssie count? We have to stop the mill!

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Bruce Rollins
October 5th, 2007

Come on Peter Garrett. Get off the fence. You have sat there long. It really must be hurting! Ouch!

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Harry Laing
October 5th, 2007

I'm so heartened by all the responses to this blog. Great to know that so many people out there have had enough of this utterly corrupted process which has apparently now delivered a pulp mill. As many have already said, shame on you Malcolm Turnbull, in particular for trying to dress up your fait accompli as 'science' and therefore somehow pretend you've been impartial. That argument was dead in the water the moment you gave such pitiful terms of reference to the chief scientist. Also you rather gave the game away on radio when you admitted Gunns had already seen the full report before anyone else. Just so they could see if it suited them eh? And as for you Peter Garrett I swear I don't know what planet you're on. But I can't help thinking of your face grinning out from innumerable Habitat magazines of the past as you went on about the need for action on the environment on many fronts and I'm sure saving the forests was one of them. I know Kevin Rudd is a lost cause as far as forests go but to see/ hear you selling the Tasmanian forests down the line to Gunns of all people is more than sickening.

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vaughan greenberg
October 5th, 2007

not surprised at all that labor is supporting the libs and gunns-but remember rudd-we are not voting you in-we are voting howard out.

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glen crump
October 5th, 2007

i am very dissapointed that yet yet again the goverment arnt lisitning to the people in relation to the mill and evean more disspaointed the alp are supporting them

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Shevill Mathers
October 5th, 2007

Worlds BEST Practice in relation to pulp mills are those mills which do NOT use chlorine bleaching processes, with no resulting toxic effluent - discharged into the environment.

So,the Gunns Pulp Mill is worlds 2nd best practice. Take note, what is considered best practice in 2007, will not be so in 5 years time.

Toxic chemicals/agents can have a potentiating effect, a small amount of one agent can multiply the the toxic effects of some other agent when combined, a fact which is frequently overlooked.

Many of these chemical agents accumulate over time, settle into the sand/mud in river estuaries and slowly absorbed by marine creatures, which form part of the food chain, of which humans partake.

The Minister has based his decision on science alone, rather than looking at the global picture, what a cop-out.

I know where my vote will be going at the next federal and State elections.

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Daemon Singer
October 5th, 2007

Gentlemen,
I fail to understand how you can keep straight faces, as you lie to the electorate about what you have put in place.

The mere fact that Gunns, Tasmania's Chief Rapist, and it's front man, John Gay, was able to say "we can do that" almost before the policy requirement was released, says that Lennon and his Gunns Apologist Pseudo Labour Government had not oly released the requirements before the announcement, they had also emasculated the requirements via the enquiry they humorously placed before Tasmania's elected elite.

We do not need another Franklin River. Mainlanders take the mickey out of Tasmanians for many reasons. The one reason they really have, is to rip into them for simple stupidity, since they don't realise that Tasmania is without doubt the most beautiful part of this country.

Why do they continue to rape it?

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Rosemary Blemings
October 5th, 2007

You have thousands of people behind you all. Alas how can we stop this rape of our country & the destruction of our future by businessmen & their political pawns?

There are better ways to earn a living for Tasmania than the continued masacre of native forests whether they're re-growth or old-growth.

Our ACT government is also dependent on unsustainable income from virtually giving away Canberra's hinterland to developers for houses.

Keep up the fight & we'll keep ours going too.
Rosemary

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Lincoln Yeo
October 5th, 2007

Mr Garrett,

About 20 years ago, when I was about 10, I took the day off school to go to Hawkesbury Ag college to hear you speak, I was so impressed to see you in person!

Hearing today that you support this mill really makes me sad that I can no longer look up to you. I just wish that you had kept your ideals after joining the ALP, and not just picked up the party line.

Lincoln Yeo.

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Tia van Horick
October 5th, 2007

Whats going on here???, We the ordinary citizens of Australia are being 'asked' to change light bulbs to lessen our footprint on greenhouse gasses and global warming and on the other hand the minister for environment and the ex-conservation minister are for this pulp mill?? A mill that most thinking people are oppossed to, not because of development but because the true science of it all simply does not add up..no air polution measures,special processes to hasten its development..i hope in the future, we ,the ordinary people of australia,can make those involved in this process, ACCOUNTABLE.

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Stephen Lomas
October 5th, 2007

"World's toughest environmental conditions" Mr Turnbull? Where were they in the original proposal? To dream them up only after massive opposition to the mill became apparent serves to show how flawed the concept of this project is. Your "World's toughest environmental conditions" might help you sleep better but will still permit the dumping of dioxins into Bass Strait.
Senator Milne, I wish you well with your continued opposition to the pulp mill. I might suggest that as the ANZ Bank is apparently Gunns' major backer in this project that there might be a fair number of ANZ customers who could be motivated to take their business elsewhere.
And Mr Garrett, what a shame to see the ALP becoming such a blur of the Liberal party. The pulp mill project was flawed from conception - you can't "add value to our forest estate" by destroying adjacent environments.

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melanie alexander
October 5th, 2007

Absolutely unbelievable - short term profts for the irreplaceable loss of a pristine part of a dying planet. LEAVE IT ALONE.

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Patricia Morrigan
October 5th, 2007

We understand that the ANZ bank is one of the institutions considering financing the pulp mill and that Gunns has been a client of the bank since 1995. So today we transferred our home loan to another lender and gave feedback to senior staff at the bank about our concerns. A small gesture perhaps but we hope our protest catches on.

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Gregory Govindamurti
October 5th, 2007

Hey GetUp - you just keep getting better and better - I congratulate you on the brilliant work again - Having the blogs of the different voices is an exceelent way to be able to look at an issue intelligently. While I first believe what a politicain tells me because it "sounds" okay - then read the "other" way of looking at it - and without all the hype and lies and cary on that TV presents us with - it has helped me enormously at seeing what the TRUTH might be in relation to this issue. I think that your shared blog idea works fantastically well for people who actually care about what the issues are / might be and to make informed decisions. It will probably take awhile because of the greed and different perspectives on what is actually important but it is well worth the efforts you are making in steering us in the best direction at this time. Thank yoy, thank you, thank you

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Judith
October 5th, 2007

How dissapointing Peter Garret, i can no longer believe a word you say, you have turned into a politician...liar liar pants on fire..get of the fence..in fact you are now know to us as peter parrot..just repeating party retoric...THREE CHEERS TO CHRISTINE MILNE

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John Whiteoak
October 5th, 2007

As a keen supporter of Rudd because of his potential to finally get rid of dangerous climate-change skeptics like 'Teflon' and Turnbull--who cynically claim to have seen the light weeks only week before the election and in the face of recent horrific climate future reports--I
have been utterly appalled at Rudd's and Garrett's smug and comfortable support of the Gunn mill. However, with great personal reluctance and deep repugnance I am trying hard to put myself in their shoes and see Labor's response to the mill as a pragmatic and expedient one: a hideous one-off sacrifice to the cause of avoiding a potentially terminal wedge politics situation on the eve of the election---perhaps with something unpleasant up their sleeve for Gunn's to be produced at a later date.
After all, what's a broken promise or two to a typical politician. A good old backflip would be very much appreciated.
Me: appalled but slightly hopeful...


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robert Chapman
October 5th, 2007

Peter Garrett, you're a fraud!

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Bob Raseta
October 5th, 2007

Iam yet to see a this federal government make a single decision not in the interest of big business.Once again they've put the Tasmanian environment second and Gunns first.Since they are so affraid to loose the votes of a few hundred timber workers why not put more money into retraining those people in jobs that don't harm the environment.Polititians should grow a back bone and say NO to Gunns or is that simply too much to ask of Howard and Turnbull...spend money and show courage!!!yes it probably is too much.

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Leanne Nicholson
October 5th, 2007

Why do we still even have to have these debates???? Surely in a democratic country we would have consulted the people most affected by this decision and if we had then it would not be going ahead. I wish you all the best in your efforts to stop the pulp mill in going ahead. Let us know how best that we can support you to end this.

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Michael Sheehy
October 5th, 2007

The natural environment belongs to the people of Australia.
If they do not want their forests cut down, there should be no need for environmental assessment of any kind, it should not be carried out. I DEMAND a referendum on this issue and we'll see how many Australians want beautiful forests and how many want them chopped down for money.

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Graham Brown
October 5th, 2007

We in the Hunter know all about worlds best practise and Malcolm should look out his window and see the coal best practise. Stringent conditions like for the coal industry. Come off it Malcolm you can see they are not worth the paper they are written on. The ones for the pulp mill will be just as worthless. Do the right thing and tell Gunns you have changed your mind and they are not getting any more taxpayer money to prop them up either.

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Shane Woods
October 5th, 2007

Ha! democracy at work. the people of the Tamar Valley didn't want the mill. the majority of people on the mainland didn't want the mill in the Tamar, but hey THE big business in tassie wanted it so they are going to get it. How mauch money went into the coffers of the liberal party?
We all know that the Lennon labor party are nothing but the PR department for Gunns. so no help there.
Turnbull said that the PUBLIC would get to see the final report BEFORE he made his decision. Didn't see it published anywhere. Just how much detail has been hidden from the public?
Come on turnbull. Where is the open discussion?
As for Garrett and the labor party. they are trying to smooth the waters after the last election. and by agreeing with turncoat, sorry turnbull it just removes howards wedge change.
above all else though it goes to show you. votes ARE far more important than the environment.
Because of the last 11 years I woouldn't vote liberal if my life depended on it. (trust me! it doesn't) But after Labors "me-too" election campaign, they can go to blazes too.
thanks.

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sara Lubowitz
October 5th, 2007

Hi

Ealier this year I travelled to Tasmania for the first time. I spent 5 days in the Launceston area. What a beautiful place it is, so unspoilt. How very very sad I feel that it will change forever. Plantation forests are not the same. And how very sad that the Labor Party will do anything for votes. I am a Labor supporter and always have been.

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Luke Miller
October 5th, 2007

How come the Democrats are on your blog? I seem to recall it was the Democrat version of environmental bill that even allowed Turnbull to possibly stop the mill.

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BRIAN WILLIAMS
October 5th, 2007

Even if plantation timber is used and replaced with new plantings, the idea that this is sustainable in terms of nutrients is misguided.There is only so much biomass to be utilized. The Rothamstesd experiment in England, showing the result of constant cropping over generations demonstrates that the eventual regrowth declines to a tiny fraction of the original. Desertification - here we come!!

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Jeff Greene
October 5th, 2007

As I see it there are two issues. One is do we need a mill? The second is logging of Tasmania's old growth forests. Now personally I rather be using wood that is from a somewhat environmentally controlled process here is Australia than unmonitored logging in the third world. I have family in the Tamar so I'm concerned that the Mill does not effect them and expect it to be VERY heavily monitored, I'm no friend of Gunns.

But I'd rather a mill here consuming as much plantation timber as possible over a mill in *insert random tropical third world country* swallowing everything in it's path.

When we toss out the current government in a few weeks we will need to pressure the ALP, hopefully via a Green controlled senate, to look at the supply of timber coming from old growth forests.

Logging is a global issue, not just a local one and we need to be as balanced as possible.

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Kerri Binstock
October 5th, 2007

No surprise that the libs put big business before the environment. They just gon't get the connection between climate change and forests. Fools! No one is surprised
BUT as for Peter Garrett - What a sell out! How can he offer support to such environmental vandalism and without any sign of embarrassment. Has he forgotten what he used to stand for? Just goes to show how involvement in politics destroys memory. Shame Peter, shame. You have sold out. Why? A ministry, perhaps.

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Jennie Bremner
October 5th, 2007

If the pulp mill is so important why can't it be relocated to an environmentally less sensitive site?

However given the pressing problems of global warming, this pulp mill seems out of step with the times.

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Carol Ellis
October 5th, 2007

I expected nothing more from Turnbull and the Libs, whose bottom line is always money, no matter how they try and spin it. This decision will definitely boost the Greens vote. At last their tree hugging, greeny, lefty stereotype is being recognised for what it is - the only sane option if we want to save our environment and the planet. Labor and Garrett - very, very disappointing.

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October 5th, 2007

This must not go ahead. So many projects are being pushed onto the Australian public that we do not want, and feel totally frustrated by the Governments lack of HEART towards the opinions of those THEY represent. Shame and GREED are like neon signs all over what is happening in OUR country, and the Government thinks WE the public are Dumb. Wake up Australia. Become a loud voice before it is too late. The action of ONE can make a difference.

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Timothy O'Leary
October 5th, 2007

Sorry, my memory is failing - was Mr Garrett with the ALP or the Liberals? And is the Tasmanian government the Liberal government? I thought it was Labour. Sorry must be age catching up with me, as I seem to be a bit confused about who is with who. Actually I keep thinking that Mr Garret was with the greenies once upon a time, but I'm obviously misunderstood. Oh and who was that band that sang that it was "better to die on your feet than live on your knees?" Catchy number that, seems to be on my mind for ome reason. Could someone please help me out, as eveything seems a bit topsy-turvy!

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October 5th, 2007

We need as human beings to think , why are we accepting logging forests to be turned into paper as normal and necessary? Why are we not valuing paper with a more realistic value, because the cost is enormous. Whether it is the cost of growing the trees, harvesting the trees, the use of fossil fuels and the eventual greenhouse gases produced. To say nothing of the loss of natural diversity and flora and fauna from our native forests, we don't even scratch the surface in reflecting a real cost for our abusive waste of paper. When we try to build shelters out of paper mache we may appreciate the value of our once growing timber giants and how we squandered our children's heritage.

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Eva Rainow
October 5th, 2007

We will pay, our children and their children will pay for the screaming trees and the weeping air and the shattered earth. Please don't log Tasmania. Let our brothers live.

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G Harrison
October 5th, 2007

What a dissapointment to me as a Labour voter to have my party come through with a misleading agreement with the Liberal party on this issue.
Hay Peter ypou are doing some good arts things, you where realy good when you got to Cairns for the national indigenous awards, but mate this is so dissapointing for you to have done this.

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Tom Bolton
October 5th, 2007

Sorry, Malcolm, too little too late! Your party's credibility on environment is tragically low... tragic because while you've been in power for so long you've squandered critically important years of opportunity to make a real difference. Now you hold up the Gunns decision as if it was something to be proud of... but it is still essentially an assault on the earth and the sea and the sky!

Peter, I can see why you have to play it safe... it is desperately important for Labor to win this next election and get rid of the COALition. But, it's a fine line you're treading, so I hope you will remember why you're there... I still remember what Bob Hawke did to keep you out of the Senate back in the '80s.

Christine, thanks for keeping on!

Judith, hang in there... it's easy to lose heart when the outrageously unthinkable is an everyday reality. We need to speak fearlessly, regardless of whether these corrupt men in power get their way or not!

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Judy Seager
October 5th, 2007

Such a great disappointment that Labour is supporting this environmentally-damaging project, leaving us, in this yet-to-be-called, 2-party federal election, with the option of voting for the small Green party as a protest vote, regardless of electorate and therefore significance of the vote, or choosing to vote Liberal, against deeply held beliefs, as it is beter the devil you know than risk an uncertain "labour/liberal" future. Is it just in US politics that, sadly, voters must accept that it doesn't matter which party wins?
I have been willing/eager to vote for a change from the awful Howard regime, but now I am forced to wonder in my disillusioned state, whether a vote for Liberals will at least bring a predicatble, albeit environmentally disasterous, future in contrast with the unpredictable Labour future.

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Susan Fleet
October 5th, 2007

I can't understand why I'm still surprised every time an ALP representative stands up & says 'On this occasion I agree with the Prime Minister/Government/Mr Turnbull etc etc etc.' I should know by now that there's no point even hoping for the ALP to do something honourable.
Peter Garrett: You have now absolutely and completely blown every shred of your credibility out of the water. I am ashamed that you had my respect for so long, I was duped.

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Lindsay Linnell
October 5th, 2007

New nickname for Minister Turnbull; "Bullturd" Says it all, really.

A shamefull, but predictable, decision based on a flawed report from the Chief Scientist. Flawed because of the limited terms of reference given to him by the Government.
Sound familiar??

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Harry Dale
October 5th, 2007

Hi, my name is Harry Dale. I am currently living in Tasmania. I was born in Victoria and I have been living in Tasmania for the last two years. From an interstate perspective, I have known Tasmania as a lush and natural state with magnificient forested areas, especially in the south-west. I believe that the economy is important to any state. I believe that people must put their survival first, but the pulp-mill is not an effective way of obtaining a strong economy. The pulp-mill will destroy tourism in Tasmania which I think is one of the prominent attributes of the state. Once the world knows that a pulp-mill exists in one of the last oldest forested areas in the world, the response will be to negate coming to Tasmania to experience its prestine natural flora and fauna. Tourism is not a finite business either. Logging and deforestation is a finite business. It will only last for a certain amount of years before the state will have to find something new to exploit. I do not believe that one must destroy one's environment for a quick dollar. The psychological issue with the pulp-mill is that we believe that a strong economy is primary, and that the environment is secondary. This is where we go wrong. If there isn't an environment first for us to coincide with, then there is no economy for us to live by. We require the environment first in order to live. The pulp-mill is quite absurd. I do not think that it will help the economy as effectively as tourism will. The cons far outweigh the pros. I do not want to see injustice being committed for the sake of a few wallets being filled with money. If a lot of individuals in Tasmania feel intuitively against the pulp-mill, then as a democratic country I will press for such an atrocity to be remedied.

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Stephen Lloyd
October 5th, 2007

I wish we could take to politics out of conservation.

The future of the planet is always put aside for the sake of jobs and economic prosperity in the present.

Our children and grandchildren will wonder what we were thinking.

I appreciate the bind that Peter Garrett now finds himself in - but he made the decision to join the Labor party - which in itself is not a bad thing, but he has inadvertently had to sell his soul to the devil.

It's a long way from his Oils past and songs like "River Runs Red" which do still resonate with me.

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D Marcos
October 5th, 2007

No monetary value can be put on a clean environment, it's priceless. While there are any lingering doubts about the practical impact on the local residents & animal species, a pulp mill in the Tamar Valley should be more thoroughly investigated. The over-used four letter word 'jobs' as an argument for a pulp mill can also apply to Tasmania as a pristine island with a thriving tourism industry.

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kate henshaw
October 5th, 2007

how disappointing to see peter garrett sell out so easily. shame on you! get off your knees you weak man. my vote will certainly go to the greens yet again.

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Margaret O'Donnell
October 5th, 2007

Your comment The statement (quoted in The Age, 5 October) by Marine Biologist, Dr Francesco Neira, that "the effect of greenhouse gases has also not been measured properly" threatens the possibility of even greter global warming - thus, according to CSIRO estimates, suggesting even less rainfall in the southern parts of mainland Australia.
The provision for 'No construction near a wedge-tailed eagle's nest during the breeding season' is inadequate as these birds keep an eye on their nests throughout the year.
Destruction of the Tamar environment for agriculture and of forests is also short-sighted. Forets are places where carbon dioxide can be to some extent absorbed and the presence of trees appears to assist in rainfall.
Then there are all the other areas, - fisheries, tourism. While jobs may be created by the Gunn's establishment, surely they will at the same time be lost in already existing jobs in the area.

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Gloria graham
October 5th, 2007

the people of Tasmania should be listened to and stop the pulp mill from going ahead - I am with these people and say stop and think of the future of saving the planet

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Elizabeth Grant
October 5th, 2007

I am absolutely horrified that Governments can allow their constituents to have life threatening environmental factors forced upon them. The fact that they are turning a deaf ear to the pleas of the residents who will be directly affected by these conditions is not only heartless but bordering on criminal.What a pathetic lot of MPs - the only way that they can think of to create employment is to increase carbon emissions & toxic air & water pollutants when the absolute opposite is required!

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Graham Wand
October 5th, 2007

"I have imposed the world's toughest environmental conditions on the proposed pulp mill in Tasmania's Tamar Valley ... "
Where in Gunn's history have they demonstrated a tendency to follow anybody's rules but their own? Turnbull knows this - he's just playing political platitudes. Shame on Labor for following suit.

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Thomas McKinnon
October 5th, 2007

I expected no better from Malcom Turnbull and the Howard Government (the retiring Government). However I had high hopes for Peter Garret and the Rud Government (the Government in waiting). I have been a Green voter since I came to this country from Scotland in 1980. I have been a Peter Garret fan since that time also, I even shook his hand once and got his autograph. I defended his move to the Labor party when associates knocked him for selling out, and was even going to follow him; thinking that perhaps he had the right idea to get more done, in regard to the environment. I've defended his uncharacteristically quiet stance, in his position as shadow minister. However, I cannot defend or condon his position in regard to the Pulp Mill; as someone said in the media recently 'he is casting no shadow. I'm dissapointed Peter.

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Dan Cone
October 5th, 2007

Malcolm, you have only approved this to line your own pocket of money... not for the good the population, the economy or the environment... STOP BEING GREEDY!!!

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charlie latham
October 5th, 2007

Oh Peter - what a sorry mess the ALP has got itself into. Caught between the devil (JWH) and the (not quite) deep blue sea (bleached by the industrial effluent). How about a bit of standing up for what we believe in? I realise that it is foolish to be literal, but for many years I believed it was better to die on your feet than to live on your knees. How does it feel, Peter?
My one remaining hope is that we are witnessing a bit of "non-core promising" going on here, and that common sense and a good excuse discovered after the election will get this preposterous mill scrapped before it is too late.
I work in the wine industry, in Coonawarra to be precice, and I am curious why the Penola monstrocity is not attracting just as much attention as the Tamar and for similar reasons. It has enormous potential to cause damage to one of this contry's most prestigious industries, that employs countless more people than paper mills, and gives undoubted pleasure to millions. When you get into the ministry for the environment Peter, as I profoundly hope and expect that you will, please act responsibly and do everything you possibly can to stop both these environmental catastrophies from being inflicted on peaceful productive communities and their habitats.
PLEASE, PETER, PLEASE, ACT NOW (OR AS SOON AFTER THE ELECTION AS YOU CAN DECENTLY FIND AN EXCUSE) - OUR LIVELIHOODS DEPEND ON IT. PLEASE DON'T LET US DOWN.

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Deni Odlum
October 5th, 2007

Wake-up call politicians! You surely don't think we believe the Turnbull "blurb" about how safe the mill is going to be! You have an eco-tourism industry right in your face and you can't even recognise it: instead throwing out (read "destroying") the clean green reputation of the area to put in a pulp mill. Will politicians not be happy until there is not one tree left standing in Tassie?? Why is it that we never lead by example in this country! How disappointing r u Peter Garrett - shame on you (kiss my vote goodbye). And now nasty Labour in South Australia have shoved a pulp mill down the throats of Penola! Now what was that saying - oh yes, "how do you tell a politican is lying?: Answer: "his mouth is moving"! Or should we update that to "he's breathing"! Why would anyone put faith in politicians? You're disgusting! My heart breaks for our ailing planet.

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Hermann Gfeller
October 5th, 2007

This decision from Malcolm Turnbull as the ANTI Environment Minister came to no surprise. But Peter Garrett, you always stood FOR the environment, what happened to you? Has the environment in Australia not already endured enough, all with good intentions of course, in the name of progress! Employment is not the issue here, but filling the pockets of unscrupulous shareholders of Gunns and other beneficiaries.

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Pamela Dobson
October 5th, 2007

If there were no problems associated with this mill there would be no need for the "world's toughest environmental conditions" to be imposed. The 24 conditions are now doubled to 48 and Mr Turnbull offered this as assurance that all will be well, but, again, if there were no problems there would be no need for a doubling of conditions. We are being hoodwinked here with the bribe of jobs. Where is the guarantee that those jobs will go to Australians and not imported workers who will accept lower wages and conditions?

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Catherine Holland
October 5th, 2007

Shame on you Peter Garrett - I am not sure how you can reconcile your support for this Pulp Mill with your previous strong environmental convictions.

Christine Milne- you continue to earn our respect and support!

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Mark Horner
October 5th, 2007

Has anyone called The 'Honourable' Peter Garrett, MP, a Judas yet? "Short memory, must have a . . . "

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Lynne Collins
October 5th, 2007

Your comment
I wait for a review of the "independent advice" that Mr Turnbull hung his hat on.

I doubt if Mr Turnbull had any option between pressure from his political colleagues and from the developers. The governments allowed this disaster to proceed from the proposal stage and really have no option but to approve at this late stage. This is the second major disaster this government has supported recently. I hope they do not have many more opportunities to get things wrong.

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Chien-Hue Chen
October 5th, 2007

Amazing plants and animals live in Tasmania, like many parts of Australia - this wondrous continent. In the time where biodiversity is in such alarming decline, and where scientists are in pursuit of secrets nature has for us, to make us live longer, to make us understand more of ourselves etc., is it not important for us to protect such a unique place, if not for the future generations? Evidently not. You have to wonder who's making the priorities and how a generic pulp mill which makes ordinary paper (no matter how tough the environmental conditions were) was chosen over biodiversity.

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Esme Tyson
October 5th, 2007

Can't believe it's going ahead!! The environment at Tamar Valley need the pulp mill and gunns like a hole in the head. We all have to object to this, there must be a better way to supply the paper industry, create jobs and save our environment.

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Mike Bysouth
October 5th, 2007

So much for all the hoopla when Garret joined the Labour Party. The problem isn't just that he's the Shadowless Minister - the problem is that the Labour Party is the shadow of the Liberal Party!

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Violet (Vicki) payne
October 5th, 2007

Labour is still paying for the tragedy of the Howard wedge over Tasmania's forests after Mark Latham tried to save them and Labour lost seats and also Howard got control of the senate which has made all the latest legislation possible. with this debacle seared on their souls labour has been desperate not to be wedged again over the pulp mill. It was a huge mistake to put Garrett in charge of the environment as what you want and what you can achieve or win an election are entirely different things. I am against the pulp mill but I don't hold my breath. A million of us were against the Iraq and a million dead Iraqis later we are still there. With first past the post in the house of Reps it is hard for some of us to get a voice.

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Andy Cole
October 5th, 2007

This is an appalling decision, and one can only wonder at the motives of those elected representatives who have used the power we have given them to make it. It is another symptom of the death of democracy and the consolidation of the power of unelected and rampant multinational corporations.

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P. Durnin
October 5th, 2007

I think it would be prudent to test all Tasmanians for toxicity levels before this turnabout to construct yet another pulp and paper initiative with the potential for such deadly consequences becomes a grim reality. The Derwent River near Hobart is a prime example. And the locals and tourists still catch and eat oysters from these waters!
As a tourist - I saw pollution and death of the environment. As an Australian I cannot imagine how any company could suggest such pie in the sky promises while neglecting to address the deadly presence of existing sites and the ongoing pollution of the Derwent and Tasmanian waters and habitats in general. When the going gets rough - be aware that governments do adjust levels of acceptable toxicity. Such was the case when Chernobyl fallout reached Canadian soil. Toxicity levels from man made ventures are worldwide concerns and directly associated with rising numbers of impaired neurological development of infants and respiratory problems affecting young and old. The once pristine Tasmania has been raped - and the wildlife and its environment sacrificed for todays gain - with no regard for future generations. As politicians and bureaucrats make these decisions they should be held legally accountable and subjected to acknowledge their responsibility for all wrong decisions and the consequences arising from these wrong decisions and acknowledge they will be prepared to accept the consequential costs of the wrong decisions.

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dian moncrieff
October 5th, 2007

I cannot believe Labour going along with Liberals on the pulp mill.

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Nicklas Lindewald
October 5th, 2007

Another short term Australian business decision - why not make a buck today even if you loose tenfold 20 year down the track? Can politicians in Australia start to act as if they cared a smidgeon for their grand kids future?

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P. Durnin
October 5th, 2007

I think it would be prudent to test all Tasmanians for toxicity levels before this turnabout to construct yet another pulp and paper initiative with the potential for such deadly consequences becomes a grim reality. The Derwent River near Hobart is a prime example. And the locals and tourists still catch and eat oysters from these waters!
As a tourist - I saw pollution and death of the environment. As an Australian I cannot imagine how any company could suggest such pie in the sky promises while neglecting to address the deadly presence of existing sites and the ongoing pollution of the Derwent and Tasmanian waters and habitats in general. When the going gets rough - be aware that governments do adjust levels of acceptable toxicity. Such was the case when Chernobyl fallout reached Canadian soil. Toxicity levels from man made ventures are worldwide concerns and directly associated with rising numbers of impaired neurological development of infants and respiratory problems affecting young and old. The once pristine Tasmania has been raped - and the wildlife and its environment sacrificed for todays gain - with no regard for future generations. As politicians and bureaucrats make these decisions they should be held legally accountable and subjected to acknowledge their responsibility for all wrong decisions and the consequences arising from these wrong decisions and acknowledge they will be prepared to accept the consequential costs of the wrong decisions.

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david james
October 5th, 2007

Geoffrey Cousins has got it right, malcolm and peter, you logheads. The narrow terms of reference of the so called Chief Scientist, excluded many relevant issues that have just been swept under the carpet of political expediency. And anyway how independent and fearless is the so called Chief Scientist? Any more so than his predecessor Robin Batterham-What a joke (sick).

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tamara bellamy
October 5th, 2007

How the federal Govt approved a pulp mill of this size in this location is obscene. They have been blinded by greed while the locals will be blinded by smog and toxic emissions. We may need a pulp mill somewhere in our vast country, but why in the Tamar Valley?
Peter Garrett, you of all people should not roll over to the pull of the dollar. Everyone in Australia is counting on you to keep the Labor Party honest when it comes to the environmental issues (since the Liberals have no idea why we need an environment). Please don't let us down. It was once written 'PG for PM' by a well known Australian lead singer. In your current position, you are our only hope.

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Alan Robinson
October 5th, 2007

Congratulations once again to GetUp for allowing us to have a voice when our elected representatives seem more interested in getting re-elected than the long-term future of our planet and its brightest jewel, Tasmania.

Anyone who has been there knows that Tassie has everything we need for a sustainable future, except a government that is prepared to protect the state's clean and green reputation. Just as well mainlanders are ready to join Taswegians in standing up to Gunn's lackeys in the same way that a previous generation took on the HEC over the Franklin Dam.

As Redgum said, "If you don't fight you lose." We won then. We will win again.

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Angie Fairweather
October 5th, 2007

This is a truly sad day for Australia and Tasmanians. I so much wanted to vote the Howard Government out and this only helps. But who else can we vote for? The weak kneed Labor camp has sold Tasmania down the river for political points. Will no one stand up for what is right?

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John Mathewson
October 5th, 2007

It is absolutely useless to expect the imposition of environmental conditions, however stringent, actually to protect the environment effectively. History has repeatedly shown that the quest for profit sooner or later inevitably leads to complacency, neglect or even blatant disregard for such safeguards, while regulatory authorities end up intervening reactively - if at all - after the damage has been done. I expected no more from Turnbull but feel betrayed by Garrett. This may finally persuade me to vote for neither of their parties.

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Cherie Hoyle
October 5th, 2007

USA governments supported slavery for many, many years. One reason quoted was that if slavery was ended there would be huge unemployment. That did not make it right and it was finally stopped.

Approving the Tamar Valley Pulp Mill by the Commonwealth Government of Australia is a ruthless attack on the environment and democracy. It can still be stopped. An intelligent government, one with guts, would put money into finding other appropriate industries that could employ people in that area.

I do not live in Tasmania. But, the pollution of the ocean will ultimately affect many millions of people including me and my family, and you and yours.

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david james
October 5th, 2007

Geoffrey Cousins has got it right, malcolm and peter, you logheads. The narrow terms of reference of the so called Chief Scientist, excluded many relevant issues that have just been swept under the carpet of political expediency. And anyway how independent and fearless is the so called Chief Scientist? Any more so than his predecessor Robin Batterham-What a joke (sick).

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Mary Carrall
October 5th, 2007

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I cannot understand the mentality of people like Malcolm Turnbull and I hate to say it, Peter Garret, who not only allow this kind of environmental vandalism to occur, but actively participate and approve its construction.... "World's Best Practice" means nothing. Peter Garret waves this around like it actually makes everything okay....Any pollution of any kind going into the waters off the site of the pulp mill is not acceptable practice. Tasmania is one of the most beautiful places in Australia and it breaks my heart to think of something like this occurring. I do hope Get Up together with as many committed Australians who care about this country and its future can help put a stop to this dreadful proposition.

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jan watson
October 5th, 2007

Stop the pulp mill in tasmania. We cannot breathe or eat money.

why are we allowing another chance for an environmental catasophy to happen? Why are we allowing a pulp mill to pollute our water ways when water is in need and water restriction being placed on our cities.

Who are the scientists that rectify the good of the pulp mill and how much are they being paid?

Our memories are short - scientists said DDT was safe to use, dildrum was not going to affect our environment. These two poisons are still afecting the areas in which they were used some 50 years on and will affect the area for another 50+!!!

Its high time that we start to put our environment first, before economy, before money, before power. We have climate changing, we have little water. We need to protect what will sustain us and our families in the future by looking after what we have now.

We need to look after our country, our rivers and waterways, our forests, what swamps we have left and look to alternatives.
Roaring Twenties - Australian company now in china setting up wind generation on a massive scale - the australian government would not support them.

Come on Australians I want to live in society not in an economy.

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Shona Howarth
October 5th, 2007

I can't understand what on earth has made the labour govt and Peter Garrett especially cave-in on this apalling situation. Why would they condone something so destructive as a time when the whole world is frantic about the environment??? Are they too, out of touch with reality??

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Fiona Fulton
October 5th, 2007

Take heart. This battle has just begun. Today on ABC Radio, John Gay (Gunns CEO) tried to disparage opponents of the pulp mill, but slipped when he said, "Oh they're just a small majority." Mr Gay, you couldn't have said truer words! Out of small beginnings, great things grow. We will grow strong like untouched Tassie native forests til our "small majority" prevails.

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Karin Ann Didcott
October 5th, 2007

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A few years ago, my sister and I spent a month on holiday in Tasmania. Much of what we found was so beautiful that we explored only the eastern half of the island, leaving the western half for another visit. But then we stood on the summit of the Harz Mountain looking west over to where the Picton River used to be (my son, a rafting guide there many years ago, had eulogised about its exquisite beauty) and wept to see the rape and pillage that had been perpetrated over all that land. The river is ruined; without the forests to control the water flows naturally, the river has simply been washed away straight down into the sea. No pretty little sandy beaches, no rapids - the rocks have been swept away by the flood, no natural curves and bends, no vegetation overhanging where there are no longer any pools of calm water. I bet there aren't any platypus there any more, and what about fish, water rats, water birds?? Happy rafters?? And visiting the giant eucalypts was a Forestry Department farce. You'd have to be blind not to notice that the 'show piece' is a few acres of original forest left standing where all around has been razed into oblivion. And as for the Tree-tops walkway ($10, if you please!!) what a load of crap! How can that possibly take the place of the real thing?
No, Tasmania! You may have been beautiful once - we caught the tail end of it on our holiday four years ago. But I won't be back, except possibly only to raft the Franklin. At least you saw sense that time.

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Christopher Monie
October 5th, 2007

Great to talk about best practice without having the details on environmental impact. The process has been shonky from the start - and that continues. I have written to Garrett and Turnbull about a number of issues in relation to this Mill and have no response from either. It appears that the ALP feel no more need to respond to the electorate than have the Coalition over the years.
I will only address one issue - that is the supposed economic value to the Tasmanian and Australian economy. My understanding is that the Mill will be heavily subsidised by the taxpayer in order for it to compete on the world market and that the taxpayer will be funding any new jobs created, probably supporting those who become redundant as a result of the Mill destroying other industries, and that the shareholders and Gunns Management will still pocket profits.
If this is the case there are only one group of winners and thousands of losers. This issue has not been addressed by either of the larger Parties.
I will mention a second issue in passing which is the politically subservient nature of the scientific group who provided Turnbull with the advice he sought.

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Lyndsay Holme
October 5th, 2007

Isn't it amazing at the continued focus on things such as the Pulp Mill, the desal plants, Nuclear and "clean Coal" electricity generation by our "expert" pollies, but hardly awhisper when it comes to solar, wind and thermal and methane sustainable energy sources.

Why is that the governments of European countries - as widely varied as Portugal, France, Germany and Sweden - support sustainable industries and while ours still drags its knuckles on everything form public transport systems, the aged, education, health and social services. Australia, the country with solar energy to "Burn" (literally and increasingly) falls behind the solar generation/photovoltaic industries of the above countries with a fraction of solar exposure in comparison, to name but a small sample of wiser, smarter, cleaner power generators.
It would be absolutely wonderful if the Australian electorate could vote out the neanderthals at this election and ensure that those politicians who have at least half a brain and a small sprinkling of ethics are the ones that run the country. Some of us would be truly happy to see a few more Bob Browns, Christine Milnes, Kerry Nettles and Peter Andrens giving quality time at the big house and making some decisions that support our children and their future.

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John Anselmi
October 5th, 2007

What has Gunns got on the political parties that they all bend to Gunns wishes?

It seems that it doesn't matter who you vote for in elections because a politician will be elected.

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Alexandra Larkey
October 5th, 2007

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How can Malcolm Turnbull and Peter Garrett sleep at night after respectively making and endorsing the decision to support the Gunns Pulp Mill in the Tamar Valley?
"Worlds Best Practice" should surely include a detailed investigation into both the most appropriate location for such a massive project as well as into the levels of Greenhouse Gas emmissions but neither of these crucial elements appear to have been included in the 48 "stringent environmental conditions" imposed on Gunns in order to push this appauling decision through.
To tout this as an "investment in the future of Australia" is laughable - how will there be any future, economic or otherwise, if our decision makers don't recognise that a project set to spew AN ADDITIONAL 10 MILLION TONNES OF GREENHOUSE GASES PER YEAR into our already overloaded atmosphere is not creating a future for anyone?
Why, instead, have neither of the major parties suggested an alternative way to create the 1600 jobs the mill will provide by promoting a new industry for Tasmania based around Carbon Sequestration - a perfest match for an area of land filled with beautiful natural forests.
What is even more outrageous is that the people of Tasmania don't even want this mill and yet none of their elected representatives appear to be listening - it seems they have been sold out by ambitious politicians and greedy businessmen.
My hopes in a new era for the Labour party have been dashed after Peter Garretts spinelessness, not only over the mill but also over their unwillingness to stand up to the objections those who actually care about the environment have to old growth forest logging.
Where is the point of difference between these shameful men who dare to suggest they "represent the people"?

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Jonathan Rihan
October 5th, 2007

Unfortunately I have come to the decision that Peter Garrett has become the most disappointing politician in this country. He was a hero for so many for so long and now seems to have been emasculated by the Labor machine.
Can anyone imagine the real Peter Garrett so meekly backing down on an issue as important as this foul pulp mill.

This pulp mill clearly demonstrates how our politicians have failed. Utterly. Failed to protect the people they are meant to serve. failed to stand up to the vested interests and the big business bullies. Failed to protect the environment and failed to take action on climate change.

It makes me mad.

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James Morgan
October 5th, 2007

Yesterday, I was reading a travel article about the magnificent Brecon Beacons National Park in Wales. The author's daughter said 'This reminds me of Tasmania!' Recalling an earlier family holiday. Yes, agreed her father, minus the wallabies, the odd flattened Tazzie devil- and the ugly scars of rapacious logging.
Take heed Malcolm Turnbull.

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Michael O'Connor
October 5th, 2007

I look forward to this catastrophic decision being reversed by 'someone'. I am not going to vote Labor after Garret sanctioned this mill I will be voting Green.

Mike O'Connor

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Tim Askew
October 5th, 2007

This is not surprising coming from a Liberal Gov't but Peter Garrett - I'm in shock! I have been so upset with the way this country (and the world) is headed and this is another headache in my troubled mind.
Please someone give me some good news! Coal mines approved, public transport prices up, nuclear is performing a lazarus and now a pulp mill. Help!

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Paul Kretschmer
October 5th, 2007

Where has Mr Garrett's passion for our environment gone? I was so impressed with his strong environmental message when he fronted 'The Oils'. He seems to now be the one with the short memory. I would expect nothing better from the coalition, but I did have hopes for our environment under Mr Garrett.

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Debbie Smith
October 5th, 2007

Really disappointing to see Peter Garrett change from being a strong environmental advocate to a clone of Malcolm Turnbull. If we want dollar driven 'bugger the environment' attitudes, we can vote Liberal. Somehow, I expected better of Labour.

Now Labour is parroting off the "world's best practice" mantra too. Do they think we have missed the very clear points made by Geoffrey Cousins and Bob Brown about the very narrow focus of this scientific investigation into the pulp mill, and how most of the mills operation would be environmentally damaging.

Can Malcolm Turnbull and his new friend Pater Garrett explain to us how chewing through thousands of acres of beautiful Tasmanian forests to feed this monster could EVER be world's best practice?

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David Nash
October 5th, 2007

With the pressure to make a decision on the pulp mill before the election, the Howard government could not risk losing the seats it had won as a result of Mark Latham’s attempt to end the logging of old-growth forests. So the pulp mill had to be approved, and ever so dutifully, the Labor party had to adopt an identical line, desperate to try to re-gain the seats it lost in 2004. Gunns are happy; the loggers are happy; but the real losers in this continuing tragedy of Tasmania’s forests are the Australian people, who will bear witness to the beautiful forests being turned into an “environmental abattoir”, to quote Bob Brown. And global warming? Well, only another 10 million tonnes of greenhouse gases will be released into the atmosphere each year, but this doesn’t concern the government; it never has. Evidently it doesn’t concern the Labor party either. This pulp mill decision shames Australia.

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Amanda King
October 5th, 2007

It just makes me so damn sad really. To think that a decision like this could have been made knowing full well the impact the mill will have is simply astounding. When will the environment be seen by these people to be what it is, more important than the bloody economy. How far have we come, really, in this day and age for anyone to actually believe this is a good idea, for whatever reason! unbelievable! Sad!

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Tom puckett
October 5th, 2007

The two big parties have been depicted as the "Laborils." Here we see why. They are both happy to thumb their collective nose at majority opinion which is opposed to this mill. They both spout vacuous cliches like "world's best practice" and try to cloak a nakedly political decision in the garb of science.
Anyone who has followed the approval process should be deeply outraged.Gunn's record is well documented by the SMH's Peter Hartcher: http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/pulp-fiction-a-balm-for-voters/2007/10/04/1191091275210.html
One would have expected approval from Mr Turnbull, but Mr Garrett seems to be a shadow Minister who casts no shadow.Once the Lion who roared about environmental causes he is increasingly looking like a mouse that emits the occasional squeak, terrified of saying anything less he evoke the wrath of the CFMEU union bosses.
I am old enough to remember the Franklin Dam campaign. The big parties and the establishment were all in favour. It was going ahead or so we were told. We stopped it and we can do it again!

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Elaine de Saxe
October 5th, 2007

More power to your collective elbows! It doesn't matter numerically how many conditions are imposed. Gunns can always say "yes" to anything that gets them what they want. Once they have dumped pollution in the air and/or water, it's too late and the damage to the people and the environment has been done. It doesn't matter how big the fines (assuming any are imposed!) nothing will get back the pristine nature of the surrounding area. There has to be jobs but not at any price! Jobs only are "sustainable" (what a buzz word!) when the environment can support them into the long term. Pollution of any kind does not come under the heading "sustainable". BTW, get rid of that creep of a Premier as soon as you can, Tasmanians!

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Michael Dr.Sassen
October 5th, 2007

I just want to point out that QANTAS has introduced a voluntary
scheme for passengers to pay a little bit more on a ticket and that money goes towards planting trees as carbon sinks.
cutting down trees on one place for pure economic (=political?)
reasons and planting trees elsewhere as carbon sinks would in medical terms to be called a serious mental illness !

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Cornelis Ligtermoet
October 5th, 2007

You politicians are all absolutely hopeless.
To let this happen, when it could be built at a non environmentally damaging place nearby, shows just how little you value the people of this area, and indeed of this whole country. To put a conmpany and it's big monstrous mill ahead of the future of our kids and our generation is shameful.

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william Redgate
October 5th, 2007

how can we ask indonesia to stop burning and killing forests when we intend to do it ourselves.

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Lyn Healey
October 5th, 2007

On behalf of the people of Tasmania and on behalf
of my children and others who value this
unique State, I vehemently oppose this proposed pulp
mill.

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roger brown
October 5th, 2007

What will happen when they finish mulching the 200,000 ha of forest? jobs, jobs we need more timber.Sounds like Christmas Island. Should be a vote on this Australia wide, on election day. The forests are not owned by gunns, but the people.Will Tamar be like Queenstown .I think you should be able to sue the Tasmanian Govt,Gunns and the feds if the 3rd worlds best practice fail.Time to put pressure on the money men.

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Christa Ludlow
October 5th, 2007

It's all very well to have the "toughest conditions in the world" but if the Government that is supposed to enforce them is as weak as water we all know what will happen. Would any government really close down the mill once it is operating? I very much doubt it. And no one is mentioning the fact that this mill needs more than $800 million of taxpayer's money in subsidies to be economic. Use the money to create jobs in sustainable industries.

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Susan Lusk
October 5th, 2007

Where is the difference between Liberal & Labor when both are supporting a project that will destroy something that can never be replaced. Yes our economy is important but as a means to an end not as a goal beyond the consideration of the environment and the health and well-being of all Australians. It is our duty to look after what has not already been destroyed by mankind's up-to-now blind drive towards industrialization.

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Peter Smith
October 5th, 2007

I am disgusted by the grovelling to powerful business interests by the politicians of this, and other countries, at the expense of our life support systems. The moment in time is fast approaching when the mass of citizenry that are passionate about this planet will physically take matters into their own hands to protect it, and as climate change predictions become reality so too will be the fight to save our planet from corporate greed.

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peter marley
October 5th, 2007

When are we going to get politicians who inspire??
Malcolm - I know you get it, you're a smart guy. you know that we don't need these kinds of industries in 21st century Australia, where we have the riches and the brains to come up with solutions that will make these troglyditic industries unnecessary. But you play the game to satisfy perceived political necessity - you have the power, use it. The public is waiting for inspiration.
Pete - what can we say? Your every fibre screams this is a bad thing but you're toeing the line. Be careful of waiting too long and not scaring the horses: horses aren't the smartest of creatures and don't even think past the next feed, let alone decades into the future. Step up or get out.

At least stop subsidising this atrocious industry - I don;t want my taxes propping up this kind of "world's best" practice.

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Gunther Menschen
October 5th, 2007

Every public utterance will be closely monitored by this Governments' watchdogs. Free speech and Howard's coalition are mutually exclusive. In terms of dissent his government has tried to silence any opposition, however small to the policies thrust upon us during his 11+ year reign. Every citizen of voting age, who is not a rusted on Liberal, rejects the litany of lies, mistakes, corruption, obfuscation, inflexibility and poor leadership that has brought us to the the latest fiasco, the Tamar Valley Pulp Mill. Economy, economics are fine for a privileged few who steadfastly believe in the top down principal. In reality the only people who benefit from the top-down theory of economics are wearing suits and living in luxury. If this sounds too politically "left" then a narrow definition of my
politics is to concentrate every effort on equity for all, far from the excesses and power machinations of our current crop of CEO's and politician, especially in our anachronistic two party political system. The proposal for a pulp mill is sybolic of the backward thinking that has, in part, brought us to the impasse we now have with climate change. Former US economist John Kenneth Galbraith said of our economic and political system: "Trickle-down theory - the less than elegant metaphor that if one feeds the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows."

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wolfgang arnet
October 5th, 2007

Australia has become a very gready business community.

Resort development approvals in pristine Rainforsts at Stoney Creek in Cairns is just one example but a polluting pulp mill in Tasmania wins the cake!

Free trade agreements with the USA for more Oz grain & food production plus US market access in return for more high tech war machinery and low cost pharmacy pills. In the meantime we still try to worked out were the water will come from for the increased production. Thank you Mr. V....

Residents need more weight and power in the initial stages
of any proposed business development. Elected councilors and politicians need more training and independent scientific information.

What a power hungry place this country has become, lets
look a bit more back to old Europe and learn to debate issues in more detail and respect peoples opinions and community privileges to breath fresh air.

A healthy Tamar Valley community are more important and more worth then a multi billion dollar export contract.

It is our responsibility to save every tree we can not only in Indonesia but also in Tasmania.

There is no future or profit in wood chips.
Thank you for your time!

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Russell Clemens
October 5th, 2007

Well, I’m not in Tasmania, and I’m not really an environmentalist, but I have a very strong dislike for ‘tricky’ political behaviour that seeks to achieve an end without clear public support – and usually for the Big End of Town.

The person missing here in this blog debate is Geoffrey Cousins. I saw the interview with him on the ABC’s Lateline (4 Oct ’07) (see: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/ ) and was impressed with his simple approach towards correct process and pursuit of the truth – not the desirable end from some perspectives. He should be invited to contribute here as well. His voice is closest to mine on this matter.

But the real ‘smell’ comes from Tasmanian Premier Paul Lennon who on a similar Lateline interview kept on repeating that “no old growth timber would be used in the Gunns pulp mill” (or words to that effect).

Well I’ve been round long enough and heard this type of polly speak before. It does not say what it first purports to the casual listener. The deceit? Well I hear a loop hole in this statement (reinforced by the number of times it was said and the tone). It is the same ‘logic’ that says we can sell uranium to India and Russia because they say it will not be used in military devices. Assuming this is correct, it still leaves them to free up their own supplies and divert these to instruments of death. Surely everyone can see that, and the hypocritical stance of Downer and co!

So Mr Lennon, can you explicitly say that no old growth forest will destroyed to backfill other non-pulp mill industry as their current resources are diverted to the Gunns’ machine?

So Mr Lennon, here is your chance to correct on GETUP! my cynical opinion that you might not be speaking with fork tongue on this matter.

And Mr Turnbull, although you seem to be going through the motions, I seem to remember a similar Burrup case study that showed, after all the noise and posturing, that your concerns did not extend to actually stopping 20-30,000 year old early human artifacts from being destroyed for the sake of a buck!

And Mrrs Garrett & Rudd – Hmmm, what’s that song called again: “Midnight Soil”?

The only thing going for them is they are not Howard ‘08.

Get some backbone the lot of you!

My benchmark on this, and other similar matters, is Mr Geoffrey Cousins. Well done old chap - most appreciated.

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Christopher Monie
October 5th, 2007

Kevin Rudd has made it quite clear that, while he is leader, he is the Party. He has also made it quite clear that the differences between himself and Howard are micro differences - not macro.
Garrett has a choice about leaving the Party but not about what stance he takes on any issue. We will know his mettle in the next couple of days.
We have a choice: to make sure that neither major Party controls the Senate and have to work their cardboard butts off to get anything of this tragic nature through Parliament again.
Let's focus the Debate on how to get our way rather than venting useless spleen.

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Wanieta Young
October 5th, 2007

I still have faith in Peter Garrett's integrity. His position here is indicative of where the Howard Government has taken Australia - a place where any viable position someone takes will be attacked, that is, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't - they will attack him whatever he says. The comments about Howard's wedge politics are spot on - he did it in 2004 in Tasmania and it is to the eternal shame of the forestry union down there that they got into bed with him.And that's from a teacher who is a union member. Peter Garrett's got a real balancing act here. If we want to get rid of this Howard regime (and think of all the other ways they have wrecked and lied to the country) Labor is the alternative (hopefully with the Greens balance of power in the Senate, but don't hold your breath). So if Peter Garrett has to 'toe the line' PUBLICLY for a while grant him some intelligence of understanding that the greater fight is yet to be fought and won - if that happens then, as another contributor wrote, hopefully he will be in the position to make a different decision. I understand the disappointment, but let's save our wrath for the real enemy - Howard, Turnbull, Abbott, Bishop et al - and let's also take to task Paul Lennon (who seems hand in glove with Gunns) and of course Gunns itself which seems to run Tasmania - why are they so powerful? What we can do is keep speaking up about what we want - they'll get it eventually. PS Can we all spell LABOR and DISAPPOINTED correctly!

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Russell Clemens
October 5th, 2007

Correction to previous submission: "So Mr Lennon, here is your chance to correct, on GETUP!, my cynical opinion that you might just be speaking with fork tongue on this matter."

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Julie Lee
October 5th, 2007

I don't live in Tasmania but I am so sad for the people living in the Tamar Valley and and so, so disappointed in Peter Garrett, he was always for the environment.

I will be voting for the Greens.

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Roger Pain
October 5th, 2007

I find it inconceivable that any responsible government would even consider the idea of a pulp mill anywhere near Tasmania. Yet again money has taken president over people and the environment. I strongly believe that the persons responsible for taking this decision should be held financially accountable in the future.

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Bill Johnston
October 5th, 2007

When it comes to pass, that the cumulative effect of 'making our economy strong' makes our world uninhabitable and we all have to leave; I hope there is a very special xtra-hot place in hell for politicians.
Is Turnbull an Environment Minister or like Howard - just another suck for his big business mates? Will Garrett be any better? - that is the question.
But cheer up; no matter how rich we are, we'll all be on the same trip!

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October 5th, 2007

Please help look after the environment and not exploit it and give people needing jobs in this industry work and training elsewhere in helpful ways. We obviously need to look after the environment and forrests help keep the air cleaner and the earth healthier.

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roy taylor
October 5th, 2007

There is no economy on a dead planet......

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sandra grealish
October 5th, 2007

Tasmania sold for a mess of pottage , in other words , Lennon's dinner date with Gunns chairman, , shamful and immoral conduct . This tasmanian says no pulp mill . I will be voting against the labour party and against liberals in Tasmanaia.

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Liz Burke
October 5th, 2007

It's a decision made to win seats in the next election. That's all. Totally cynical. Turnbull should be ashamed of himself.

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Robyn Cook
October 5th, 2007

The Labour party need to get tough in protecing the environment - we don't want another Liberal Government - isn't that obvious to the Labour party - so when is Labour going to stop acting like the Liberal party. Thank goodness for the Greens party - at least they have a vision for the future.

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simon knight
October 5th, 2007

Peak oil and global warming are dancing the last waltz. The future inevitability is a green economy with 100% recycling of all produced materials - (see "from cradle to cradle"). Whether we take this course before catastrophe or after is in the hands of global powers and beaurocracy's.

Read it and weep.

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Howard Gilmore
October 5th, 2007

We are told that approval is subject to the most stringent conditions ever imposed on a pulp mill globally.

This is one of the greatest cop-outs in Australian political & economic history.

Who is responsible for monitoring these conditions? is it Gunns self-assessing or is it the same bureaucrats that approved the mill? What's the chances of them being forgotten in a few years, or swept under the carpet, or progressively watered down.

Do you think for one moment that a government department would ever have the courage to halt production when eg. the level of dioxin exceeded the approved concentration. Of course not, they would never stand up to Gunns.

The public, and especially the people of the Tamar valley will never be told. The imposition of conditions is a sham! Sir Humphrey said something like, never set up enquiry until you first know what the findings will be. What a classic case of political deception.

Clearly both major parties are placing profits before the Tasmainian people and before the health of the Tasmanian environment.

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Barbara Roberts
October 5th, 2007

Good on you, Patricia Morrigan! Hit them in the hip-pocket. 'From little things, big things grow'. GetUp! brought David Hicks home so it is more than likely it can make Gunns' Pulp Mill a Pulp Fiction, dead in the water.

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Val Burge
October 5th, 2007

I'd like to start by saying that I'm a 50 year-old life-long Labour voter. Although I've continued to vote for them, I've somewhat despaired of Labour since the 'economic rationalist' days of Paul Keating started an 'outdo the Liberals at their own game' type of government. I have been delighted to watch the Rudd government actually come up with "Labour" policies! HOWEVER, I feel absolutely let down over this one! How on earth can Peter Garrett be involved in rationalising something so obviously against his politics? You may as well let the Blue Sky Mine into Tassie as well! A lot of us have our hopes pinned on you, Peter and Kevin, please don't let us down like this. We will not forgive you at the polls.

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sonia fletcher
October 5th, 2007

I guess the dollar has won again, and what about all the trees which will be cut for this japanese pulp mill???The greens now have 2 votes from our household.

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John Radcliffe
October 5th, 2007

I always thought Peter Garrett's silence was a pragmatic decision to ensure the "greater good" of a Labor election victory. However it's hard for me to believe that he would pull the plug on it once he becomes the federal envt minister after publicly supporting the mill. As for Malcolm Turnbull's position - well I wouldn't have expected anything else. The environment and the world's climate must come before all other considerations.

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Marianne McMillan
October 5th, 2007

I have reached panic status about the environment, a concern for forty years. The individual can do so much and so many do, but what chance does mankind have when all our efforts are negated by greedy government and greedier business desecrating what is left of our pristine land and delivering a massive increase of devestating air, water and soil pollution ? It is enough to make me in Sydney despair, how must the people of the Tamar feel ? My sympathies to you all. I wish you strength for your fight, I will continue to add my very cranky voice to your cause and will definitely not vote for anyone who has supported the pulp mill.

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Stuart Drewer
October 5th, 2007

There have been many scathing attacks on Peter Garrett here. You might doubt the wisdom of his move into politics, but I don't think you can fault his logic, or that of the ALP, on this issue. The people really responsible for the current state of affairs are the majority of the electors of the federal seats of Bass and Braddon. If they'd shown themselves to be green voters at the last election, Garrett, and maybe even Turnbull, could have come out against the mill. We as GetUp members need to educate and cajole the voters of Australia into doing the right thing, rather than railing against the politicians, much as we may enjoy it.

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Rick ALEXANDER
October 5th, 2007

After reading the above, I feel sad that the Labor Party is so gutless on environmental issues. What happened to the Peter Garrett who was so passionate before he was sucked into the party machine. Thank God for the Greens and thank God for women in this country who have a clear direction.

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Russell Clemens
October 5th, 2007

B. Roberts: - "Pulp Fiction" is a good catch-phrase! It should catch on.

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Frances Reid
October 5th, 2007

We know what to expect from the Liberal party, all for development with no social policy. The Labor party and in particularly Peter Garrett should be ashamed of themselves. Here was a great opportunity for the Labor party to show true leadership on climate change and they missed it. I will be voting Green in the upcoming election

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Murray Edwards
October 5th, 2007

I do not support the decision to build the pulp mill.The terms of enquiry for the chief scientist were limited,therefore the recommendations are flawed.Neither Mr Turnbull nor any other Minister can guarantee that there will be no negative environmental impact.I cannot accept Mr Turnbull's word.He repeatedly claims that Howard's government is a world leader in addressing environment issues when it is common knowledge that Germany,Sweden and even Portugal are far ahead of us.Labor has shown commitment to many economic matters,but,on moral issues,as Mr Garret's announcement shows,they have yet to make a stand.

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Iain Dooley
October 5th, 2007

OH MR. TURNBULL!!! Thank GOD your decision has been made consistent with your obligations under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999!!!!

When I first heard about this proposed mill, the first thought I had was "Geez those bastards better fulfill their obligations under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999" ... and now you have!

You're such a neat-o buy Mr. Turnbull. I really think that you guys have a shot at winning this election! It would be especially good if you were leader of the Liberal party though. I'd vote for you in a second, and so would the majority of Australians in my opinion... why wouldn't they?!

By the way while I'm writing I just want to say how much I ABSOLUTLEY LOVE your dog blogs on your website!!!! I get so bored with politics... all these serious issues really get me down sometimes but then I read about the crazy mishaps of your canine pals and the world seems a little rosier. Keep up the good work!

Sarcastically,

Iain Dooley

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denyse davison
October 5th, 2007

Peter Garrett shame on you for being told to tow the party line, get a backbone and stand up for the Land they want to wreck for the almighty dollar.
What about climate change or is that too hard to deal with can`t make money from keeping the planet healthy,Mother nature will and is turning against us, we will not have anything left to help clean the air at this rate; shame on all involved with this maddness.

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Keith Joliffe
October 5th, 2007

How do the politicians, especially Malcolm Turnbull, respond to the charge (levelled on ABC TV last night) that the Chief Scientist was only allowed to look at two of the multiple relevant scientific, environmental, social and and economic factors?

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Natalie Claps
October 5th, 2007

Liberal and Labour, this decision has cost you both my vote at the next election! I will be voting Green. Why? Because of this short-sighted decision to rape our pristine rainforest for a quick buck! When our economy is strong, Australia does not need to resort to such 3rd world measures.

No about of "spin doctoring" ad campaigns on TV will make me believe that Liberal actually cares about the environment. Equally, Labour your "backflips" in typical style are similarly pathetic.

I feel terrible for the Tasmanian people, particularly those living within the Tamar valley. The Australian people did not want a war in Iraq, neither do we want this.

Governments - start listening to your people!

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p, abbott
October 5th, 2007

In 100 years time the rarest and most valuable commodity on earth will be a thing called Pristine Wilderness. Future generations will look back on our generation and wonder at our gross negligence and apathy. How could we have squandered our natural resources for a few cents on a share dividend. How did we allow the greed and avarice of a few cash in the wealth of all Australians, past, present and the truly impoverished future.

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Christopher Monie
October 5th, 2007

For some more insight into the background it is worth checking
http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/pulp-friction/2005/11/05/1130823435493.html?page=3

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Richard Riordan
October 5th, 2007

Our politicians and business heads, in the main, just don't get it. The party is over. Their egoes have been massaged enough, this time we must make sure that our elected representatives follow the wishes of the majority and work to create a better world, a legacy for future generations instead of continuing their slavish, greedy ways focusing on profits at the cost of our home, planet earth. I have lived simply and sustainably for over 20 years and have supported the envoronment in whatever way I can. Materially I have little but consider myself wealthy. If I can walk my talk why can't we all.

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jon wallis
October 5th, 2007

Well maybe Australia should have listened carefully to Latham about the "machine", it has surely swallowed peter garrett, and puts the fear of God into me if this is where the labour party is heading.... That means there is NO opposition (to anything...)just more of the same. For God's sake, and Australia's sake, please vote Green; they offer the only alternative now, and I know this former Liberal voter will be voting for them with preferences going to anyone other than Liberal OR Labour!

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Christine Bennett
October 5th, 2007

WHILE FELLOW AUSTRALIANS ARE ALL GREENING AUSTRALIA ... both Turnbull and Garrett are guilty of collusion in turning Tassies marine environment into grey-water ... with Gunns pulp mill proposal.

One has to ask, are these politicians actually human ... or just robots? Hey, Pollies, here is a reality test: Do you really want to contribute to the pollution of a beautiful part of our country ... and support policies that result, finally, in Australia's environmental AND ECONOMIC downfall??

Ultimately, we are all in the same environmental boat. Destruction of our forests is not the way towards a sustainable future.

And another thing: what happens after the Tassie forests are all pulped ... what then, for mill fodder?

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Colin Bishop
October 5th, 2007

Firstly I am surprised the Peter Garratt would even consider such a proposal let alone have the Federal ALP on side. This really does raise the question of "who has been bought"?

I am loosing some of my faith in the ALP and I think that I will re-appraise my leanings. Unfortunately the "Greens" seem to have just one real policy - the environment, but what about all of the filthy drugs (medically prescribed drugs) that are pouring into this country - they can't be working 'cause we are getting sicker and what about the chemical fluoride that they are putting into the water supplies (Qld next?) and of course the "neccesity" of using recycled water to fixing the problem of "population explosion".

If any party can show me policies on these topics, which affect the whole population of Australasia, then they will get my vote - providing that they agree with my principles (although I am supported by several thousand like minded persons!)

Finally - the Federal Government should listen to the people, particularly those who will be affected, after all who really does pay their wages - or is it the "extra tax free bonus"?

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Valerie Horler
October 5th, 2007

Where was Labor when their voice was most needed? It seems neither Labor nor the Liberals are interested in best practices for the future of the environment and life on our planet. I'll be voting Green in the next election.

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Valerie Clews
October 5th, 2007

I have been left speechless at this decision!!! And Peter Garrett has disgusted me by the spineless way he has allowed himself to be gagged, silenced, and made to mouth things that he always passionately disagreed with in the past. I have no words for the 'Liberal' government. They are beyond belief, and beyond redemption. Only Mugabe, and some of the South American Governments can surpass them.

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Ian Hosken
October 5th, 2007

The decision to approve the Mill in the Tamar valley is an absolute disgrace. Two hundred thousand hectares of unique Australian hardwood to make paper pulp., So much for the environment , so much for the purported concerns about global warming. Howard and Turnball, will get their just desrts at the next election.
What I'm allmost more disgusted about Is Peter Garrett"s sell out to the middle of the road policies of the labor party. He was a shining light for the enviromental movement at one point with 1000"s of people holding hope that he may have been a strong voice for the environment in the Labor party, so much for optimism.

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Christopher Monie
October 5th, 2007

Hallooo! Is anybody listening to anyone else on this site or are we all blowing indiscriminate hot air into the ether. It is clear that you all love Howard and Turnbull and their scorched earth policy - you even share that emotion around Rudd and Garrett, John Gay and Gunns. Let's presume that these deep feelings are mutual.
OK so what do we want to do about it? Let's have a conversation about a way forward. I am off to bed but I'll be keen to check out in the morning if anyone has actually responded to anyone.

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Ben Rose
October 5th, 2007

Thankyou Di Milne. This is yet another case of both Lib and Lab selling out to big business - $ are more importat thanthe environemnt. Yes we need paper but produced sustainably. Tas could have a smaller mill in a more sutable locations that is sustainable, doesn't have the air and water pollution issues of this mill . Keep fighting against this mill. Let's fight for the basic democratic prnciple of 'let the people decide by informed debate and democratic process' (not cynical decisions based on retaining marginal seats where self interest prevals), where and how the high impact resource develoment such as this should proceed.

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Liz Mackie
October 5th, 2007

I do not understand the Government's support of this development. I cannot condone destruction of old growth forest to feed a mill which will contribute to green house gases, and will cause pollution of the environment in order to produce AAA white paper, which the Japanese want to buy. I do understand economics and export revenue, but I believe Australians can generate revenue with much better and clever thinking. Don't forget, we were "the clever country" We can do better then this.

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Brendan Lloyd
October 5th, 2007

Turnbull's decision is short-sighted. Gunns' past actions very much portray it as a corporate thug and environmental vandal. The weak response from Garrett and Labor is astounding given Kevin Rudd's claim that climate change is "a [serious] moral issue". Juxtapose this with the likelihood that this mill will have a big carbon footprint (not to mention other serious environmental impacts) and one would reasonably have expected Labor to rightly oppose the mill. C'est la vie. Yet another good reason to vote Green.

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October 5th, 2007

My childrens, children will one day stand on the edge of Tamar Valley and say "Thanks for nothing Mr Turnbull", because that's what they will see, nothing!

It will be so much easier to make my decison this year when I vote.

And to the shadow environment minister, you don't deserve capitals in your title, actually shadow is appropriate, shadow of your former self.

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Joy Boaz
October 5th, 2007

What right do you have to chop trees down without thought of what it will do 100's of years from now, I hope your children and grandchildren will hang their heads in shame to admit you are a member of their family. You will not get my vote ever. By the way how much are Gunns paying you?????

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Mark McGrouther
October 5th, 2007

Peter, I know you are towing the party line, but mate, "The beds are burning". Hopefully when the Kevin 07 juggernaut dislodges the current sad lot, you can start to show your true colours. Please ... you know what is right.

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Dick Taylor
October 5th, 2007

Your comment
I very big company, one very small state...isn't it great what enough money can achieve if it's funnelled into the right pockets!
Federal Labour, Garrett, Lennon, Turnbull, you should all be ashamed of yourselves for having any part of selling the Tamar valley down the river for the sake of, of all things, bloody woodchips. Surely there is a better way to utilise all of this beautiful timber and this beautiful piece of
country without risking the forest, the river, the valley and the offshore environment.
Congratulations, Gunns, you must be an inspiration to environmental rapists and pillagers around the world.

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Russell Clemens
October 5th, 2007

I note that Geoffrey Cousins is now targeting the ANZ bank who he says have corporate social responsible lending codes. They have announced today that they will be reviewing this proposal's funding in due course when the details are submitted. Anyone with funds in the ANZ (or any other bank) should perhaps check their charter and policy on this (type of) development. ANZ are to be congratulated for their responsible position on lending: but is it real or just another facade? (russell_c - name does not show up?)

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Elizabeth Reale
October 5th, 2007

I cannot believe this is going ahead. No number of 'special conditions' will prevent the damage from being done. More of Australia's native forests will be destroyed, at a time when we should be doing our utmost to protect what remains, and more pollution, noise and stink into peoples' and animals' living environment will be created, when we should be trying our hardest to curb pollution levels. But no! The cumulative damage caused by one greedy, ill considered decision after another is what has gotten us into the environmental mess we're in. We should be making decisions that help get us out of our environmental mess, not making it bigger! This is just another great step in the wrong direction. And Peter Garrett, you are a complete squib for toeing Labor's pathetic line on this. Labor is using you for your environmental credentials so it looks better, that's all. It's bigger than you. Alas, what next, a new uranium mine will be ok? Bring on the revolt.

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Helen Hynes
October 5th, 2007

The decision by the Govt. is to be expected.
As a Labor voter I find its support of the mill both disappointing and extremely cowardly - why can't they show leadership even when they are in a position to do so?

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Janet Greenslade
October 5th, 2007

It will be easy to make a decision this year at the polls and it won't be for Liberal or Labor. Thay have proven they care more about themselves and their 'mates' than the people of Australia. May I remind you 'boys & girls' Australians put you there we can damn well kick you out!
We have been deserted by the federal parties and especially the state government because of Lennon and his mate Mr Gunns. If Lennon is so pro this Mill then build it in your own backyard, not ours.

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October 5th, 2007

What is world's best practice (WBP). I'm tired of hearing this amorphous, undefined term being used. If it exists, how is it measured?

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Dean and Annette Turner
October 5th, 2007

Peter would you constrain the chief scientist? Malcolm how did you constrain the chief scientist? Chief scientist, can anyone else ask you to do another unconstrained report?

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Russell Clemens
October 5th, 2007

Howard is "world's best practice" because he survives! What more needs to be said about this phrase in this context. The correct respponse is to ask for evidence based policy - i.e., where is the evidence to this claim? ... or don't make it! The precautionary principle. (rc)

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Peter Johnson
October 5th, 2007

This is insanity and an environmental crime. INDUSTRIAL HEMP is proven to be the most superior form and source of paper, lasting decades, WITHOUT having any THC or mind-altering chemicals in it, regardless of the propaganda you hear

If these traitors in parliament had any regard whatsoever for the environment, they could discover this fact with 5 minutes of research, but instead they want to rape the environment and take big fat bribes from companies involved.

Remember Tasmanians, you have every common law right to resist this crime being committed to your pristine island!

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Tony Thornley
October 5th, 2007

I do not believe in any decision that this morally corupt government makes in terms of the dollar versus the environment. This government is all about the new God called Dollar.

There is heaps of dollars, but there is also heaps of homeless, disadvantaged etc.

Any one who believes the bull of a very wealthy business man called Turnbull to concider the environment before the dollar, believes that there are fairies at the bottom of the garden

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Patricia Rogers
October 5th, 2007

Ifd the effluent from the Mill is so good that it will damage nothing then maybe that could be the 'water' that it was proposed Tasmania should sell to the Mainland. Buyers put in your bids!

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Peter & Ann Wolstenholme
October 5th, 2007

The effluent from the mill may produce very low levels of nasties, but how on earth can either Libs or Labor justify the destruction of huge amounts of forest, presumably clear-felling , which is the very worst way to harvest timber.

And how can they justify using $847 million of our taxes (according to Peter Hartcher in today's Herald) to make the project viable?

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Peter Davis
October 5th, 2007

I am disgusted at the Coalition's approval of the Tamar Valley Mill - and of Labour support for it's go-ahead. I would not trust Gunns with anything. They are a company that would do better in Iraq working with Black Hawk Down who seem to have a similar level of company history and integrity.

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Miriam English
October 5th, 2007

I was going to vote for Labour instead of the Greens this year, just to get rid of Howard's corrupt government, but I'm now wondering whether that's the right thing to do. Perhaps Labour is just "Liberal" spelled differently.

Pulp mills make a pittance for Australia in the larger scheme of things. Tourism is the really big money earner and it will continue to grow. Looked at that way you can see that anything that destroys forests wholesale is losing money, not making it.

Ever wonder why Japan is wanting to pulp our forests, not their own? They aren't stupid. They value and want to keep their forests. If we Australians are stupid and short-sighted enough to take the pretty plastic beads and trade our land for it, then more fool us.

World's best practice? Twaddle! "World's best practice" is what our lying government continues to call the bungled operation that "cleaned up" after the 12 nuclear bomb tests the Brits conducted in Australia. About 85% of the plutonium from that is still scattered over the surface of the land. We never really cleaned it up, and our government fired any nuclear scientist who objected. The USA, after their nuclear tests in their own deserts, hauled off meters deep soil, barreled it up and stored it deep inside a mountain under armed guard forever. Australian "best practice" seems to constitute lying, pretending, then turning a blind eye.

I'd like to propose an additional condition for the pulp mill: that *truly* independent monitoring set Swedish standard environmental limits, which if broken result in the mill being permanently closed with Gunns (the company AND the board members) paying for decommissioning and environmental cleanup. Problem solved. If there is any chance of actually being held accountable they will not risk it.

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Adriel Neal-Ogilvie
October 5th, 2007

Dear Peter Garrett MP,

I understand (or at least thought I did) you are trying to change the system from within. I can't blame you for wanting to give it a try (though it must make you feel unclean?). Surely however, there has to come a point when the entire approach becomes meaningless if you don't make a stand on the key issues. If you won't take a stand now - what change is it you think you will bring?

While you may have convinced yourself of the political necessity to following the path of least resistance (with the rest of Labour’ spineless cronies) - are you at least being honest with yourself? I wonder if in the contributions you _may_ make to preventing further irreversible damage to Australia and the planet can make up for the legitimacy you lend to such destructive and despicable ventures as this mill.

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Martin Wallen
October 5th, 2007

This Project has gone forward without any considerations of the effect it will have on the forests, our roads the
massive release of carbon into our atmosphere, water
loss or our farmers growing food for people.

Some rambling considerations.

(1) The Tasmanian Government assigns a value of nil carbon sequentation to existing high conservation forests.
(2) Gunns fells this forest trims the logs selects parts of some logs for veneers or milling and trucks the balance of the logs to wood chipping or pulp mills.
(3) Then everything else that is left on the ground is consumed by fire then either left to regrow itself if too steep or replanted with monoculture blue gums or similiar species where tractor accessable.
(4) 1080 poison is applied to keep the animals away from the young trees and powerful herbicides are sprayed (of a type banned in Europe as a health risk)to protect the trees
from being overgrown.
(5) Global warming is a problem right now and the process above of unsequestering carbon in a high conservation value forest (representing up to a hundred years of growth and carbon sequenstration) is ridiculous. It will take up to a hundred years to re-sequester that carbon in the regrowth or plantation forest and much more if as predicted global warming reduces rainfall to Tasmania.
(6) Now lets get back to point (1) and ask why the Tasmania
government gives a standing high conservation value forest a nil value for sequestered carbon. Easy! then the chief scientist can say, as he did today, that the pulpmill can be carbon neutral and Gunns might make another quid carbon trading with its "new" forests. So insist that all calculations start with the negative carbon value of the forest to be felled.
(7)There is a problem about water!
Bluegums are one of natures most efficient pumps. All over the world where Oz gum trees are plantationed ground water table levels drop with bad consequences for adjacent farmers growing food for people. This currently holds true in Tasmania where Gunns have taken over arable farmlands and planted trees next door to farmers. In many countries Oz gum trees are now being removed for this reason.
In contrast to young growing trees High conservation value forests sequester water in considerable quantities which allows the rivers to flow all year round.
8) Food farmers vis Tree farmers!
Gunns in fact do not own these plantations for long as they are sold off to investors who get an immediate 100% tax write off, while Gunns retains forest management rights. Gunns do not own the trucks or the forestry equipment it is owned by small contractors who are often the operators as well. In this way Gunns minimises its Capital & risks and cutivates grassroots political support.

Forestry should be subject to standard depreciation rates.
Food farmers on the other hand own the land and their farm implements and carry the risk. I would suggest they deserve the 100% writeoff every 5 to 7 years when they have a good crop and can buy needed capital equipment!
(9) Trucks on roads!
I assure you Tasmanian roads are already overcrowdeed
with log trucks and many of the secondry roads they pound along are breaking up.
It is well known that heavy vehicles damage road by a factor of 50 to 100 times more than cars. In Tasmania a truck pays about $6000 for the prime mover and a further $2000 for the second trailor. A car pays about $500 so thats a factor of 8.
Obviously it is time that Gunns logs paid their own km/tonne road levy to pay for the road damage. This levy must be paid by Gunns not by the road contractor.
(10)
The Tamar River has silted up near Launceston since significant flow into the Gorge was reduced by power generation and now Gunns intends to uptake its water supply from the power staion outflow, this will undoubtably accelerate the Tamar River siltation process further downstream.
Log trucks are fearsome road companions particularly when they race each other uphill in a passing lanes, sit right on your tail and career around corners on our narrow roads.
This mill will triple the number of log trucks, a few spectacular accidents and bad experiences will see the word get out and have a real negative effect on our tourism.


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Michael Baxter
October 5th, 2007

'In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.' (Theres a bit of campaign style sound bite suited claptrap for us all!)

What I mean is this:
Even with the much crowed-about 48 extra conditions, the "world's best practice" Gunns proposal is simply the best of a very bad bunch! A bunch of poor, polluting pulp processing plants.

If we took the term "world's best practice" literally, it would be AT LEAST a closed-loop facility. However, it will not be even close. What is worse is that the federal Environment Minister and his ironcially described shadow, Gunns and every other stakeholder already know this! The compromises of the federal co-alition are blatant. The compromises of the Labor party are different but just as difficult to swallow. I suspect for Peter, as well as the rest of us. Sigh....

Lets hope the Greens get more than the balance of power in the Senate. SOMEHOW Labor needs to get the message that this mill simply does not 'cut it'! (pardon the pun).

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Alistair McKee
October 5th, 2007


October 5th, 2007



It is a bloody shame we Australians don't, in 2007, have a best-practice SUSTAINABLE natural resource management policy. This would help us develop as a nation transparently responsible, as an enlightened world citizen, to our bioregions, the planet, our children and descendents.

In the absence of enlightened policy instruments, eg. a global "paper tax", to internalise the externalities and promote "wise use" of paper products, we must depend on ethical citizen action and sane, humane and ecological political leadership.Somehow we must put the brakes on the suicidal structuring of our economy by blind corporate stock markets and short-termist political expediency.

Let us instead consider the cumulative and interactive effects - and full costs - of the ?30-year operation of this tree-digestion machine.Survivors of this consumptive civilisation will deplore our degrading of environmental quality of local habitats and the planet-at-large, the extravagant use of energy, water and forest products, and the generation of greenhouse gases - all this in the process of production. But the costs don't stop there; the end use of all this paper creates a costly waste stream and is far from dealing with basic human needs! Paper, like the resources consumed in its production, is seriously underpriced from the point of view of planet and posterity.

The fact is that most of the paper products produced by the proposed megamill is destined to pour into landfill resources, since paper is the highest single waste component (40%) dumped in landfills (I suggest putting these 4 words into your internet search:paper products waste generators) Paper products are therefore the prime contributor to the rapid depletion of low-cost landfill sites, closer to the cities which chew through paper like white ants..As the peak oil roll-over shock comes and goes the next few years, and cheap oil becomes history, this kind of "sink big" project will be seen as an exemplar of the suicidality of both growth economics and the political expediency of short-termism.

The proposed mega-papermill is part of a civilisation that ignores the wood for the trees. "It's Peak Oil, Stupid!". Our capacity to deal physically with global warming through prevention and adaption measures is going to require massive energy-intensive investments and turnaround costs; we oughta start the great turnaround urgently, while the cost of energy is cheap. You can't have a climate-wise policy without a peak-oil-wise policy.

Every proposal in 2007 that makes globally-significant demands on natural resources, such as forests, energy, water, pristine ecosystems and low-cost urban landfill sites, should be audited through an Earthcharter-based national conservation and development framework.

This nation needs a Ministry of Sustainability to counterbalance the desire to generate tax-revenue from mega-projects which plunder our children's world, and to which the Minister of Finance is accountable. "Best practice" indeed!

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andre hine
October 5th, 2007

i feel sorry for the residents near this mill. it makes me angry that its been approved to go ahead after such a short time and with so many conflicting scientific arguments - though it seems typical of the current government to proceed.
turnbull's decision wasn't surprising, but garrett's response is lame - he neither protests or supports turnbull's decision. the closer this election comes, the more i find myself wondering just how different the rudd-labor govt is going to be. the political responses on this page further convince me that my vote for labor at the next election will be more about getting howard out, than getting rudd & labor in ( and i suspect there's a bunch of other aussies thinking a similar way).

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Gerry Harant
October 5th, 2007

Your comment
I am appalled, though not surprised that the major parties should once again sacrifice our children's heritage to the interests of the already wealthy. This is not, as the vandals would have us believe. a scientific question. It is a moral decision to denude forests at a time when it is at last realised that the pressure put on our environment through the overuse of resources is intolerable even during one lifetime, let alone many generations. Having walked, in my earlier days, through forests which are now fields of destruction, I feel unbelievable anger at decisions which are irreversible taken by environmental murderers. May their money choke them to hell!

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Russell Langfield
October 5th, 2007

You're as vile and corrupt as Lennon, Malcolm.

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francesca colvin
October 5th, 2007

How can anyone think for a second that Labor is serious about protecting the environment while Peter Garrett goes along with this travesty? It is hypocrisy of the worst kind and I feel disgusted and I'm sure he does too.

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Russell Clemens
October 5th, 2007

Is the Chief Scientist constrained in respect to what he would have said if he was not (so) constrained? Where is the minority report on what would have been the advice if broader terms of reference were allowed? Can GetUp! hire the said 'chief scientist' to do the other sections? Would Mr Turnbull allow this if there were legal ties? I donated last weeks pocket money to the advert – I’ll BPay $50 to GetUp! tomorrow if they start a fund for the other chapters. $50k should do it I recon. How could Turnbull say no? (rc)

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RJohn Carter
October 5th, 2007

I find it difficult to believe claims, that we will see "WORLD'S BEST PRACTICE", when SECOND-BEST milling processes have been proposed by Gunns. I understand that Gunns modified their original proposal, which included the comparatively low dioxin level milling processes used in Scandinavian countries, to a lower cost proposal with higher pollution levels, including much higher levels of dioxin discharge. Shame on both major parties. If I were a Tasmanian, I would be "digging in" on the Gunns site and giving my vote to another party - probably the Greens.

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Amanda Griffin
October 5th, 2007

The decision to go ahead with this pulp mill is yet another outrage against our beautiful and unique environment. How many environmental disasters does it take to make politicians see the big picture rather than the short term goal of job creation?
I am also disgusted that Peter Garrett has revealed what a show pony he really is by supporting this proposal. It does indeed seem that Labour Party policy is only Liberal policy dressed in a borrowed blue collar.
The Greens are the only party with a conscience-pity my vote for them will only result in a preference going to a party without one.

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oneoutof100
October 5th, 2007

The Chief Scientist couldn't answer a simple question put by John Faine on the 774 morning program this morning (5/10). On the day the Chief Scientist says we should grow more trees to protect us from climate change he puts his ok to pulp mill which, even if it uses regrowth, it will cause more CO2 emissions. Apparently he wasn't allowed to investigate that part of it. Just the dioxin levels.
Solution: Gunns wants the mill to produce super white paper. See if you can persuade your businesses to not use super white paper. The mill will become inviable.

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Catherine Moore
October 5th, 2007

The domination of politics by the old, out-dated parties, funded by and beholden to big business, has gone on for too long. Time and time again they disappoint us, evidenced by the sentiments expressed on this website by people yet again despairing over a decision made to please a corporation, on this occasion the body that really governs Tasmania – Gunns.

The environment is the issue that ought to be driving our decisions; as others have already said, what is the point of an economy when there is no planet? But for those who think The Greens are only about the environment, check out the full range of policies – based on the principles of social justice, peace, nonviolence and disarmament, real democracy and ecological sustainability – by going to www.greens.org.au. And another thing: The Greens refuse to accept donations from corporations.

The old parties want your number 1 vote on election day. Don’t give it to them. They don’t deserve it. Give it to a party that is focusing on the future – a just and sustainable future for all.

Submitted by Catherine Moore, a proud member of The Greens.

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Nigel Fox
October 5th, 2007

Malcolm,

We just don't believe that you the liberal party or Gunns really give a stuff about the people or the environment.

You can't eat money or drink profit statements.

As for you Peter. Well you have just sold out. Hang your head in shame you are no better than those filthy liberals.

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Chris Gill
October 5th, 2007

I am not a "greeny" but I am an Australian very concerned for the future of our enviroment. I do not oppose resposible logging of our forest's for the production of timber for use in building etc. But I am opposed to theis pulp mill and the catastrophic effect it will have on the enviroment and the lives of the people in the Tamar valley. We all need to make it known that this opposition is not going to go away and that both the major parties will suffer as a result, I urge you all to vote for a Independent or a small party in your electorate. Do not believe either side when they say that your vote would be wasted.

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Kerry Tait
October 5th, 2007

The Liberals would never refuse Gunns and the Labor Party are in bed with the CFMEU, so of course they're all going to approve this disgusting mess.

But it's never too late to say 'NO'.

Politicians will not lead us. Just like Franklin River, we'll have to lead them....

Vote Green and support the people of the Tamar Valley!

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SCOTT PLIMPTON
October 5th, 2007

Surely "value adding" means making furniture n stuff, rather than chipping the trees for Japanese toilet paper

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Derek Ashby
October 5th, 2007

I am so disappointed with the pulp mill decision, although it seemed inevitable, I hoped that common sense would prevail. I am as disappointed with Peter Garrett. He must be in great turmoil(we hope) or an incredible egocentric. I did hope that Kevin Rudd won the election, mainly so that John Howard lost, however now I hope they both lose. I live in Tasmania and I have found this whole process (with regard to the mill approval) to be incredibly corrupt and so misguided. Contrary to what has been so commonly espoused, scientic principles have not been followed or this destructive, polluting, community dividing monument to Paul Lennon and his thuggish mentor Jim Bacon ( hope you keep smoking and drinking as you do, Paul). We will not stop our opposition to this mill.

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October 5th, 2007

Hello to Mr Turnbull, Mr Garrett, Ms Milne, Ms King and fellow Getup! campaigners,

Like Ms King I too grew up in the Tamar Valley and am extremely concerned about the future of Tasmania's environment and the dangers to public safety that this proposed pulp mill presents. I think Ms King raises a very important issue that seems to have been quite overlooked by both environmental ministers - the problem of airshed inversion in the Tamar Valley.

In the winter of 1996 my family and I were involved in a three vehicle road accident whilst driving along the East Tamar Highway. The smog was so bad at the time that we couldn't even see the lines on the edge of the road and were forced to slow our speed down to less than 10 km/hr on a road where the speed limit was 100 km/hr. The car behind us did likewise but unfortunately a log truck driving behind that car didn't. The log truck plowed into the car behind us which then plowed into us propelling us off the road. Luckily no-one was injured as the gentlemen in the car behind us had heard the log truck bearing down and had escaped the vehicle before it was squashed like an accordion! Unfortunately that same night, in the same patch of bad smog, a woman DID lose her life after another accident involving a log truck...

Mr Turnbull says that this will be the greenest pulp mill in the world but will it be so green that it promises ZERO emissions of smoke into the Tamar Valley? Anything above ZERO emissions by this pulp mill and we are going to see more incidences of impenetrable smog accumulating in the Tamar Valley and ultimately MORE ROAD ACCIDENTS AND DEATHS!!! Not to mention the increasing activity of log trucks on the highways of the Tamar Valley, log trucks that are already involved in the injuries and deaths of too many Tasmanians.

They argue that the pulp mill will create jobs but will it do so at the cost of Tasmanian lives?

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Ivan Levacic
October 5th, 2007

For the record I am against the mill but that's not the focus of my comment.

What I'm concerned about is the inability of one of the youngest democracies on the planet, to embrace modern thinking. I understand many Tasmanians think of jobs and economic stimulus first and other issues second, but the tue, independant economic modelling proves that a pristine Tasmania will deliver greater economic benefits to Tasmania and Australia in the mid to long term than agrarian / industrial paradigms of the past.

I wish Malcolm Turnbull would speak honestly because I belive him to be, yes, a pragmatist, but also a man of principle.

I wish Peter Garret would stop believing in the "I'm going to change the system from the inside" model and say what he really believes. It's starnge that coming from the left philosophically, I, at this moment, respect Malcolm Turnbull more than Garret, because, Turnbull is being more honest about what he really believes.

Is it a fantasy we indulge ourselves with? That politicians, our voice in parliament, might actually voice their beliefs rather than the party line. That's what I thought was happening when Garret entered parliament, but to date, he's possibly been the most compromised, most dissapointing "celebrity recruit" in Labour's history.

We can find smarter ways to give Tasmanians jobs and futures.

I want someone in a position of actual power, to stand up and give voice to our wishes.

We don't want the mill.

We want a pristine Tasmania as a beacon of spiritual, practical and economic leadership to the rest of the world.

And we want someone with the balls to stake their political future and their parliamentary pension on the true will of the people and to actually REPRESENT us.

Please!

It's time we finally understood the lessons of the original Australians. That this land is who we are, and without it, we are nothing.

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Lauren Garcia
October 5th, 2007

And I thought we were a democratic nation. Could I get any more naive... What's the point of a public voice if it is only ever heard by politicians once every 4 years? Ah well, back to fiddling with my iPod and high speed broadband like the good little drone of Australian society our politicians want us all to be.

hehehehe, I will never be silenced. THE AUSTRALIAN PUBLIC WILL NEVER BE SILENCED. Viva la revolucíon!!!

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Alice Dudgeon
October 5th, 2007

Sometimes I wonder whether this state will be renamed Gunns' Tasmania. Gunns' Ltd. is like a parasite.

Oh please, who needs the environment when you can destroy it and "create jobs"!

Sure Tassie cops a lot from the mainland for being "remote" and "undeveloped", but you know, that's fine by me. I love living here. Whenever I go on holiday interstate, I always love the feeling of getting off the plane at Hobart airport, feeling the cool breeze on my face, and the cleansed blood hit my heart. Best feeling in the world. I guess it's tough when you don't actually have a heart...

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greta
October 5th, 2007

Go Greens ! The only way forward is to do anything, and everything is possible. If like minded people act collectively, with wisdom, we might find a way to right a few wrongs done in the name of progress. Our humanity demands it. And our morality
defines it. Go forth - and heal...

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fong
October 5th, 2007

the very fact peter garrett can actually put his hand up and vote yes for this ludicrous environmental disaster waiting too happen means only one thing.....as a environmental minister in opposition his useless....in power...dangerous!

I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR EITHER PARTY WHO ARE ONLY TOO WILLING DESTROY PRISTINE WILDERNESS

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Hugh Wilson
October 6th, 2007

I've never been to Tasmania so I cannot speak first hand about anything there. A failing, no doubt, if one is about to comment on it.

However, he said undeterred, it seems as if Tasmania is run by a bunch of crooks with the head crook being something of a Lemon... do I have the spelling correct?

Followed by a very large local employer, not quite the Government there, but not far off it by all accounts.

From the safety of my present State, I'd be inclined to think Tasmania would be better off if Gunns was closed down altogether and its workers were trained up to either do something else, or got paid to move away to where the work is these days.

I'm sure, if the general picture is looked at here in Australia, we would all find that having one low grade employer, with low grade jobs only on offer but employing so many Tasmaniacs, the community is worse off.

I drove trucks for many years, and let me assure anyone who thinks they are 'glory buckets', they are not. They are noisy, dangerous, and many are simply not needed but exist because railways do not.

People who drive them, love them, as I did. But, eventually, the truth is, that having so many trucks are a menace to us all.

It seems Tasmania is overrun with logging trucks, not to mention the auld flannel shirted loggers, and both are features Tassie could/should seek to minimise.

I'd visit the State, and spend 'mainland' dollars there, if I thought the place wasn't overrun with redneck loggers and truckers who see no further than their own back pocket... and that doesn't allow for the redneck politicians the state thrives on either!

So, Tassie, do the right thing and vote against the ALP and Howard, and tell the CFMEU that the labour movement does not organise around Tories.

They do say CFMEU stands for Can't F**K Much Else Up, and that would seem to be the case in Tasmania, where the union is really a scab union and should be chucked out of the CFMEU overall, and even the ACTU.

It might be happier with the AWU, known here as Australia's Worst Union, but with Bill out there representing 'the wurkers' I'm sure that is just a viscious rumour.

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barry dickson
October 6th, 2007

The howard government took us to war in Iraq to give Iraqi's democracy but have ignored the corruption within the Tasmanian government.
They say they are now serious about climate change and will pressure the Indonesian and Malaysian governments over the burning of their forests but ignore the distruction and burning of the Tasmanian forests.
And now the Pulp mill which will pollute the ocean. dicharge ton of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, use massive amounts of fresh water whilst the Tasmanian hydro dams are so low we have to import coal produced power from the mainland and destroy the forests that absorb the CO2 from the atmosphere. This will be seen as a crime against humanity in time.
I consider Gunns,the federal govt; and the Tasmanian govt; as environmental terrorists and one day hope to see them prosicuted for their crimes.

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Rob McCormack
October 6th, 2007

Mr Turnbull's cynical approval was highly predictable & comes as no surprise.The so called "conditions" are a sham,an absolute offence to any thinking, intelligent & responsible person and could and probably were,authored by Gunns!
However, I am horrified at the former champion of environmental concerns in Peter Garratt & Federal & state labor endorsing what can only be described as the worst possible outcome for the Tamar valley, Tasmania & global environmental concerns.
I, for one, am deeply suspicious of the truncated approval process at a state level & am appalled that Governments at any level can still get away with what can only be described as unfettered arrogance and a corruption of the electorate's rights,needs & wishes.
When will we get Politicians that will actually listen & do what is 'right'?
I was intending to vote straight labor to get rid of a dishonest & arrogant federal Government, but this issue & other very concerning "me too" reactions in recent months, may well cause me to review that decision.
As a global community, we MUST accept responsibility & take firm & positive action NOW on environmental issues.
We dont have any more time to play politics!
As for Labor & Peter- If you want be be the next Government,provide a credible & realistic alternative on the environment,education, the economy, taxation & many other issues. The electorate is expecting it!
On this issue at least, the Greens seems to be the only real option.

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Alistair McKee
October 6th, 2007


October 5th, 2007



It is a bloody shame we Australians don't, in 2007, have a best-practice SUSTAINABLE natural resource management policy. This would help us develop as a nation transparently responsible, as an enlightened world citizen, to our bioregions, the planet, our children and descendents.

In the absence of enlightened policy instruments, eg. a global "paper tax", to internalise the externalities and promote "wise use" of paper products, we must depend on ethical citizen action and sane, humane and ecological political leadership.Somehow we must put the brakes on the suicidal structuring of our economy by blind corporate stock markets and short-termist political expediency.

Let us instead consider the cumulative and interactive effects - and full costs - of the ?30-year operation of this tree-digestion machine.Survivors of this consumptive civilisation will deplore our degrading of environmental quality of local habitats and the planet-at-large, the extravagant use of energy, water and forest products, and the generation of greenhouse gases - all this in the process of production. But the costs don't stop there; the end use of all this paper creates a costly waste stream and how much of it is for basic human needs! Paper products, like the resources consumed in its production, is seriously underpriced from the point of view of planet and posterity.

The fact is that most of the paper products produced by the proposed megamill is destined to pour into landfill resources, since paper is the highest single waste component (40%) dumped in landfills (I suggest putting these 4 words into your internet search:paper products waste generators). Paper products are a prime contributor to the rapid depletion of low-cost landfill sites, closer to the cities - which chew through paper like white ants..As the peak oil roll-over shock comes and goes the next few years, and cheap oil becomes history, this kind of "sink big" project will be seen as an exemplar of the suicidality of growth economics and short-termism.

We are of a civilisation that ignores the wood for the trees. "It's Peak Oil, Stupid!". Our capacity to deal physically with global warming through prevention and adaption measures is going to require massive energy-intensive investments and turnaround costs; we oughta start the great turnaround urgently, while the cost of energy is cheap. You can't have a climate-wise policy without a peak-oil-wise policy.What is the price of global crude assumed for the life of this papermill?

Every proposal in 2007 that makes globally-significant demands on natural resources, such as forests, energy, water, pristine ecosystems and low-cost urban landfill sites, should be audited through an Earthcharter-based national conservation and development framework.

This nation needs a Ministry of Sustainability to counterbalance the impulse to generate tax-revenue from mega-projects which plunder our children's world. A Ministry of Sustainability to which even the Minister of Finance is accountable. "Best practice" indeed!

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David Bromilow
October 6th, 2007

Gunns won't stop until the last tree is cut down, the last dollar extracted from the environment. Then all those timber workers will be moaning about the lack of work and the tax payer will pick up the bill.
How do the pollies do it, support Gunns and claim to be doing something about global warming and saving the environment? Anyone would think there was an election soon.

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Jeremy Hurst
October 6th, 2007

Vote the government out to save the environment/planet......?
I CAN DO THAT!

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adam hunt
October 6th, 2007

"Oh-oh The Power & The Passion...oh..ohh...th..e...tem..." (SFX - record player breaking down)

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Alisa Wortley
October 6th, 2007

For those of you interested in boycotting Gunns products, please look at manufacturers of paper products in Japan - Nippon & Mitsubishi to name two (Nippon for instance makes tissues etc. for Kleenex). Read Nippon's news release on why they continue to support Gunns despite their public stance against logging old-growth forests, and don't miss the then Tasmanian Premier's letter of reassurance to them (search 'Gunns'). Surely the more than 26000 people who signed the anti-pulp mill petition here can make some difference with these companies? Not all publicity is good publicity.

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Willhemina Wahlin
October 6th, 2007

Unfortunately it looks as if Malcolm Turnball had to make good on the money the government put up for the environmental impact study. Isn't it amazing - we, the taxpayers, had to fork out $20 million for Gunns. What a subsidy!! And meanwhile, back in the real world...

When will the real wishes of the people actually matter? Turnball, you should be ashamed of yourself. And Labour, Labour, Labour - my faith is somewhat dented, if not obliterated...don't worry, I still won't vote liberal, but lordy - when will Australia's politics have some guts??

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October 6th, 2007

It would seem to be absolute madness to set up such a mill, and it never ceases to amaze me what damage people are prepared to do in order to make a few bucks. Honestly, how do these people justify it to themselves when the evidence is so clear that what they're doing is harmful in the short and long terms? They must find ways, otherwise, how do they sleep at night?

You would think, since it's fashionable to be environmentally friendly these days, that people in general would be kicking up more of a fuss about opening yet another source of serious pollution, but no, Australians are complacent. If this was France, they'd be taking it to the steets in a flash!

When will Australia wake up?

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emily jones
October 6th, 2007

the Tasmanian state government fudged on the environmental inquiries then the federal government did the same thing. we are already reaping the results of puting economic short term gains ahead of environmental sensitivity and this mill will continue the degradation of our earth.

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Robin Trouchet
October 6th, 2007

Somehow I hoped that reason would prevail - but why would it in Gunn land?
I feel desperately sorry for you all and for the rest of us that this is the way our country is run.
I'll go on writing letters and signing petitions and asking everyone I know to do the same. I wish you all strength in your fight.
Robin

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Michael E King
October 6th, 2007

Apart from many other problems I see a huge plume of airbourne particulate polution, the result of which will see the rainclouds hold up their moisture [just like all up and down the Australian east coast] the particulate polution will cause the clouds to be constipated.... goodbye any hope of average rainfall ever again...and, if it does rain the clouds are so heavy that we will need boats because it will be a 200 year storm.

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Andy F
October 6th, 2007

I am disgusted by the Howard government who continue to betray our youth for the almighty dollar.

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Brian Mathews
October 6th, 2007

If this mill is built, nothing will stop it running. It will lock in the destruction of Tasmainan forests far into the future. Hell we can't even stop cotton and rice growing that is destroying our major river system. What hope is there. Shame Peter, Shame. I expected more from you. I am so disappointed.

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Hilary Allen
October 6th, 2007

No to the Pulp Mill - in fact any Pulp Mill that uses old growth forest is gross wastage of natural resources. Grow hemp for the purpose of paper. Woodchipping old growth forest is an appalling offensive waste of nature's resources. It demonstrates a blatant disregard and disrespect for nature. These people who are not responsible and mindful stewards of our planet should not be supported or endorsed in any way whatsoever. That includes the politicians who are playing a game of chess with our world.

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Katrina Reschke
October 6th, 2007

Dear Judith and the other 99 Hillwood residents opposed to the mill,
You may feel that yours is only a small voice but I hope collectively the majority of Australians who have expressed their concern about climate change & greenhouse gas emissions seize your cause and make both Liberal and Labor parties re-think this decision in the lead up to the Federal election. We hear your concern and we stand behind you.

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Michael Beasley
October 6th, 2007

This is just another disgusting example of the government putting profit ahead of our environment.

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Nic Quittner
October 6th, 2007

Another great addition for the 'Clever Country' with the 'World's best practice' More gibberish from the dollar blind. What is really sad is that, I feel that they passionately believe themselves.
Economically speaking a forest is a 'resource'.
My heart goes out to all the flora, fauna and also to the original owners of the country we call Australia that have helped to keep the planet in harmony up until the last 200 years or so and have been rewarded with extinction.
When will we learn that it is not a case of us or them but eventually it will be all of us who become the losers.
Mono cropping and all that goes with it = total disharmony.
Natural forests are vital for all of our futures. How arrogant we have become to think that we are seperate from, and in control of nature. Sustainable timber cropping?
The Earth is an amazing living organism and it can't remain healthy without natural forests.
The politicians are voted in by us - The short memory electorate whom are all Honorary Members of the Australian Parliament. I find it increasingly more difficult to vote for any of these clowns who are taking us all over the cliff at a great rate. Vote Greens? They would crap themselves if they got in. Have any of you lot ever seen 'Whoops Apocalypse' with John Cleese and a host of brilliant British comedians. Well go out and seek a copy and watch it before you caste a vote at the next election.
Whilst walking through our parks and reading the signs a funny thought crossed my mind that they should be changed to the following;
'All politicians (dogs) must be kept on a leash'
'Please clean up after your vote(dog)'
OOOPS sorry I couldn't help myself.

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Paul Ford
October 6th, 2007

World Best Practice on the Ranger uranium mine as well, with toxic spills, in a World Heritage national park, and then there's the other uranium mine in SA polluting all the water they use up from the Great Artesian Basin. If this is anything to go by, then heaven help Tasmania from the current crop of "madmen and madwomen" that run our governments. Toxic poisoning of Tasmania is not an if but when will it happen and the company, Gunns, will true to all big company form deny responsibility. Never have so few destroyed so much for a fuller pocket than the other man. In the current environmental climate of concern, such arrogance and belligerence in the face of international environmental reassessment can only mean they are certifiably insane, and should be treated accordingly, vote them out, if they haven't already rigged the system.

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Anne-Maree McCarthy
October 6th, 2007

Labor, through Peter Garrett, TAKE A STAND on this disgusting pulp mill. Separate yourselves from this indecent Howard Government decision. Don't FORCE your loyal supporters to desert you. Remember what happened in the USA when enough voters turned to Ralph Nader because of environmental issues .......... the Democrats lost the Presidency! Will the same happen to Labor in Australia?
There ARE enough of us to make it happen in spite of us wanting a change of government.

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Justin W
October 6th, 2007

This decision is sickening, as is the two party (not bipartisan) support for it. Thank god the Greens provide a sensible option at the ballot box, representing true stewardship of this land.

As a Tasmanian in exile, and particularly as a native of the Tamar Valley, this cannot be allowed to occur. A royal commission into Gunns and the political favours it receives should be instigated. I am descended from Mannalargenna, Chief of the Northern Tasmanian tribe, and whilst I am white and fair haired, I still feel those ties run deep - this desecration insults us all. Shame on Turnbull and Garrett. Please Judith, do not give in - you have our support, and this must translate to the ballot box.

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Alkaloid
October 6th, 2007

In the beginning of this world, all creatures could speak a common language, and respected and understood one another, taking only what they needed to live. Gradually however, humans began to abuse their place in the Great Life: they took more than they needed, lacked respect for fellow creatures, trampled on others carelessly. The other animals held councils to try and decide how to solve the problem of man, but could think of no plan that would work. Finally the insects thought up the idea of giving diseases to humans to kill them off, and diseases began to appear among humans, but although many died, many survived. The insects then went to the Green People, the plants, for help in totally destroying arrogant humanity. After several days of deliberation, the chief of the Green People replied:

"We have heard your words and there is much truth in them. People have hurt and abused us much or more than they have you. But we also understand that man is still young and foolish and we are part of the same Great Life. So we have decided that if all people come to us in a good way, a sacred way, we will help them by giving them the cure for every disease which you, the insects, have made."

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Andrew Wattt
October 6th, 2007

All strength and best wishes to the people of Tamar and those fighting this disgraceful enterprise.

Mr Turnbull's decision is not surprising considering he does not seem to understand the importance of his role in supporting a sustainable environment. He should be know as the Minister for Industry or Minister Against the Environment.

What is most disappointing however is the weak kneed reaction from Peter Garrett. He was once one of my most admired people. He is now just like the rest, happy to sell his morals and the environment up the river when faced with the party machine and the hunger for power. I feel a real kick in the guts when I hear him speak now. He is a hollow shell of what he once was. Or was he just faking all that time?

In some ways I prefer Turnbull, at least we know what we will get from him and expect nothing but pro industry from his party. Whereas we had such high hopes for Garrett, just to be let down so badly.

Congratulations to the Green Senator Christine Milne. She might want to remind Peter of some of his song lyrics and stances of the past.

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celina miles
October 6th, 2007

World best practice. How can this be? When acres and acres of beauiful forest will be destroyed. Dioxins into our waterways, not to mention the air pollution.Can we trust Gunns and the Goverment to adhere to best practice policies, when money is to be made3 from short cuts???

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October 6th, 2007

I live in southern Tasmania and am appalled by the power of the present politians in this country.

In a democratic society politicians are elected by the people to represent them, they are NOT elected by the people to represent themselves. The people of this country do not want the pulp mill. The polititians are not listening to us.

The impact of the mill on air quality and greenhouse gas emissions are of major concern to most people. We want ecconomic growth in Tasmania but not at the expense of our environment.

It is of major concern that the AMA has grave concerns for the respiritory health of residents living in the Tamar Valley when the pulp mill goes ahead.

We do not want industry that produces polution on the massive scale that the pulp mill will.

I want to see a more thorough study on the effects to the environment that the mill will make including local residents.

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Lynette

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Mik Scheper
October 6th, 2007

Mr Garrett:

You were once my hero, but talk of 'maximising' the use of plantation timber, instead of rejecting anything else outright, leads me to question your commitment to the environment. I understand that you have to make some compromises because you represent a mainstream political party, but I'm disappointed that you even let old growth forest on the negotiating table. There's no excuse for logging old growth forest, and I will not support any party that doesn't commit to halting it completely.

Mik Scheper.

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Neil Murray
October 6th, 2007

The wood chip, pulp milling industy is a destructive, wasteful and pollutant exercise that serves only to line the pockets of corporate interests who place their short term profits ahead of long term environmental sustainability and indeed human survival on this planet in the face of global climate change.
Pulp milling is a base level pillaging of our natural resources- it is probable that the buyers of the pulp may sell their finished products back to us for greater reward than what Gunns would ever make in the first instance. While pulp mills are given the go ahead, and seen as "good for the economy", we will remain a dumb country.

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Will Back
October 6th, 2007


Garret and Sir Malcolm,
If this was about "Value Adding" why aren't you processing trees into timber for housing and furniture? A milled plank is worth 50 times more than an equivalent bucket of sawdust.
Get used to it, Peter, this will follow you around forever!

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Robert Campbell
October 6th, 2007

When it comes down to a decision between the interests of the environment and the interests of the those that consider themselves economic rationalists or fiscal conservatives the decision always seems to go 'where the money is' but this decision will probably come back and bite both of them where it hurts i.e. at the polling booth. Does this give me any satisfaction? No!!! Apart from the potential destruction of old growth forests, I feel that, the greenhouse emissions alone should be reason enough to reject this project. That the dioxin levels in the effluent will be 'world's best practice' does not take into account that these toxins can accumulate over time and potential could become lethal to the marine environment and the consumers of seafoods. Also, I would like to recount an iccident that occurred to me as a tourist of Rotorua NZ. I was really looking forward to seeing the geysers and boiling mud etc but the stench gave me a headache and I could not get out of the place fast enough (apologies to Rotoruans) but as a tourist I don't want or enjoy foul air. Unfortunately for the residents and visitors to Tamar Valley this can be expected at least regularly if not daily. Personally, I feel that the economic rationalists and fiscal conservatives may have got their sums wrong and have not accounted for these factors or the intrinsic value of the environment for tourism and public health. Finally, when a tree is cut down the CO2 stored by the tree is not only in its trunk and branches but also its roots. So even if plantation trees are the only ones to be affected by this mill the roots of those trees will decompose and release more CO2 into the atmosphere. Unless we plant and grow more trees than we cut down it is likely that greenhouse gases will increase. But if the effects of climate change are as they appear i.e. a lowering of rainfall in the southern regions of Australia many of these trees could go up in a puff of smoke anyway. As custodians of God's creations I say good luck to Gunns etc and I will probably see you all in hell. Regards. Bob Campbell.

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A. Hazel
October 6th, 2007

This is an absolutely appalling decision that Turnball has made and that you, Peter Garrett, are supporting it with whatever regulations or restrictions you may impose, is truly abhorrent. That you once were so so passionate and outspoken about the environment then can bring your self to within a whisker of Liberal policy is really sad for those of us so excited about your entry into federal politics.
This, and your anti-Green campaign built on blatant lies at the last Victorian election are really the nail in the coffin of your credibility. That something so valuable as the Tamar Valley is being risked for an unsustainable industry with such a mockery of an 'independent' feasibility study is a blight on our times and something our children will not thank us for.

Yours, Andy

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Margot-deepa Slater
October 6th, 2007

The Federal Government has sold out the people of Tasmania and Australia. All the legislation in the world is useless if the people on the ground do not ensure the environment is protected and the rules are not broken. Gunn's have been getting away with doing their own thing and having their own way for years. Successive governments both Labour and Liberal have allowed Gunn's to call the shots. This Mill is an absolute disgrace and so is our goverment don't vote for either party.

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Trudi Thompson
October 6th, 2007

Mr Garrett, We know that a selfish man like Turnbull would do anything to get ahead in his party with his money grabbing friends. But you Garrett? I am appalled. You are a traitor to the environment, to green Australia and to me!
Trudi Thompson

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Christina Shelley
October 6th, 2007

We are caretakers of this World -Politicians HAVE to listen to the residents of Hillwood and the concern of all of us for our enviroment. Politicians are paid by tax payers -they are voted in to work and do the jobs we vote for -it is a shame they forget this. What company allows Managers/CEOs to do want they want-Australians -young Australians - please be more aware and keep an eye on our employees. Parents with little children -watch today for what is going on with all that concerns your childrens future. DON'T THINK HILLWOOD IS FAR AWAY- LEARN FROM WHAT IS HAPPENING- IT COULD BE YOUR HOME AREA NEXT.

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Edward James
October 6th, 2007

Approval for the Gunns pulp mill in the Tarmar Vally has been rushed through, in a race with the hoped for out come of the next federal elections. Federal elections where the rejection of what has been essentially a lying unrepresentative government is looking more certain. It is no secret those chosen eminent people asked to review the application process was not going well from the point of view of Gunns and it was unceremoniously dumped. Politicians all types are not frightened enough to provide the peoples proper consultative representation ! We the peoples must change that by shaking their power base. Politicians are not entitled to tell us lies in the name of political expediency, so challenge them to resign or die when they do.
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brefney Ruhl
October 6th, 2007

I expected nothing else from Turnbull, I'm disappointed but not surprised at Labor's response. For over a century the logging industry has greedily logged itself out of existence all over the country. A 'clever' country would have planted 2 (or more) for every 1 tree felled, sustaining the industry, and possibly higher rainfalls. ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!!!

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moshe pleshet
October 6th, 2007

labour has sold out in a cowadice act of political expediency and peter garret has lost whatever miniscule amount of credibility he had left.

the bravest man on the block is the member for wentworth, standing to lose his precious seat that he begged for in the streets of bondi not that long ago, though ruthlessly doing the dirty work for his henchman while galivanting all over the globe preaching the gospel of greenhouse sinks in the shape of salvaged forests and then goes and gives gunn the hun 4.5 million tonnes worth of tasmanian native forest each year for the next 20 years plus over $800 million per annum out of the public purse. the cost of the ensuing damage plus the subsidy will probably be enough to pay those 2000 promised workers to cultivate their home gardens and live happily ever after with the knowledge that their kids and grandchildren will be able to enjoy the beautiful wilderness thus saved.

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Ray B
October 6th, 2007

It is very difficult to contain my anger toward those allowing "The Mill" to proceed......... Such destruction.... For What ???.... For WHAT ???... and for WHO ??

The fundamental premise of 'welfare economics' is "more is better".... but this same 'discipline' does _not_ consider People or their Environment.!!! It is more for 'Big Business', for 'Big Government' ( and the Big 'overlap' of these)...... Both need to be _wiped out_ of this equation for development of 'the Mill'

.... and that 'minimal levels of dioxin will be released'..... Turnbull researchers might look to the 'minimal' release of dioxin in Serveso in Italy and the catastrophic result !!!! _Anyone_ who isn't aware of this incident should read the account of a 'small release' of dioxin.

Regardless of _any_ other 'carrots' offered, NO political party that supports such destruction will get my vote, _ever_.... and I am ready to 'be there' when necessary!!!......

Turnbull and his ilk are simple examples of the 'Big Business'-'Big Government' overlap for their _own_ selfish interests..... ---- and Garrett, et al....... shameful traitors and pitiful jokes of what they _once_ voiced. _Self serving Liers_ at the very least !!

... ray

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October 6th, 2007

It would certainly help the environment and the people of Tasmania and Australia if Gunns would take a bullet!(as the expression goes). I'm sorry to see Peter Garrett shooting himself in the foot repeatedly as he tries to walk the thin line between party policy, so much now a product of corporate interest, and the people/environment.

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October 6th, 2007

It would certainly help the environment and the people of Tasmania and Australia if Gunns would take a bullet!(as the expression goes). I'm sorry to see Peter Garrett shooting himself in the foot repeatedly as he tries to walk the thin line between party policy, so much now a product of corporate interest, and the people/environment.

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Gary Markham
October 6th, 2007

Oh Dear,
Did any body really expect Malcolm to knock the mill back!Just another spin by a corrupt and sleazy government,please go now Mr Howard you really are the pits.

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John Patrick
October 6th, 2007

"Zero Tolerance" and NOT "World's Best Practice" is the principle that the Chief Scientist should be using when evaluating dioxan release to the pristine waters of Bass Strait. (Please display this comment and my name as author as GetUp sees fit. I am an Economic Geologist and Environmental Scientist)

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Jeremy Williams
October 6th, 2007

The scary thing about this approval is that the more Gunns is established in tasmania, the more timber workers will be the one's promoting Gunns unstainable practices leaving future political decisions even more difficult to protect native forest.
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Anne Celest McCoy
October 6th, 2007

It is an absolute disgrace that this supposedly 'Best Practice'
Pulp Mill has been approved. There is no way that we should continue this antiquated and violently destructive waste of our Natural Resources. Labour has lost my vote for this coming election and Peter Garrett has become a self serving puppet whom I now feel can no longer be trusted.

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Geoff Grimes
October 6th, 2007

Where is Democracy?
No matter what the scientists say, if the majority of the people of Australia don't want this mill, then that is the answer.
In Australia now, Democracy ends at the casting of your vote. After that the pollies just do what they want to.
As an architect I have banned any wood products that are sourced by GUNNS.

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October 6th, 2007

It doesn't sound right to me!

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October 6th, 2007

i have all ways been a practacing greenie but not a stupid one. was appalled at garrots wishy waashy approach, I emailed him 2 emai;s on enviroment matters and never recieved a reply as its always been maintained once you get into polotics your morals seem to go out the door. Prime example the wooroora dam was vetoed by libral and the greenies labour promised it would go in if alected surprise surprise shelved it ans spent 5 million on study for COAL AND GAS what a god dam joke that was and a few yeaaaars later the dam mill stream near dried up. I jusst shake my head at it all and live as clean as is possible Thanks keep up the good work.

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Gilbert Porter
October 6th, 2007

The comments of those living in the Area 0f the proposed Federal Government approved Mill should bear more consideration on the outcome. When will our business and government communities come to grips with the real prospect of global warming and pollution that will impact heavily on our children? I am 76 and live in Queensland, so it will not impact too directly (or for long) on my life. But I have relatives in Tasmania, and who knows where my children and grand and great grand children will be? I shudder at the environmentally disasters our dollar-fixated generation of politicians and business communities insist on continuing! Where are those who value the significance of social values for the community? What about the people and the birds and animals who want to live their lives with less pollution and damaging chemicals, noise, fumes, etc etc in coping with daily living?
Get with the real world of connected living in the wholeness of earth and the supporting organisms of which we are just a small but significant part. It is up to us in our overall stewardship to be those who protect and extend life systems, not to despoil and destroy them. Protect our hugely diminishing forests for living beings. The mill will make it all death and destruction! What a horrible legacy! Let's make it a living legacy of restoration and reconstruction of the sustainable eco-system and ultimately our economy.

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Philip Wilson
October 6th, 2007

Oh, Peter, Peter, many of us would like you back. Some of us Older Ones remember your principled stance against the Trotskyists in PND. Imagine what moral authority you would have with a principled stance against the Labor Party that you have allowed to muzzle you. If you think that after you get into power you will have a more free hand, I dare to insist that you are acting under a delusion. You had more authority as a loose-cannon public figure, and always will.

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Mark Lang
October 6th, 2007

The fact that the Lennon Government tried to force this thing through in the first place made me smell a rat a long time ago, and no amount of window-dressing will persuade me otherwise. We need to be smarter with our treasured resources, and pulping beautiful forests into dunny paper makes us look a stupid and uncaring people. Gunns' stubborn, greedy and uncaring treatment of the local community will bring the Lennon government down, and the sooner the better - just look at the man's face and you know he's dodgy. He'd make a better bookie. But he's backed the wrong horse.

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b. gale
October 6th, 2007

Save trees GROW HEMP !!!!!!!! Why are we even talking about using trees for paper and other products?. Hemp grows in low water areas, produces 3 crops per year, is pest resistant, can be recycled 12 times (paper can only go 3 times and needs fresh pulp added to do this), produces more products than just paper and DOES NOT REQUIRE THE CHEMICALS OR PRODUCE THE TOXIC WASTE THAT TREE PULPING DOES.

I find it fitting that this company is named gunns as guns are designed for killing.

There are a thousand things to say about this project. So I'll just say DON'T DO IT, DON'T ALLOW IT, IT'S WRONG, IT'S WRONG, I'TS WRONG ..... KEEP FIGHTING, STOP IT HAPPENING. Don't trust the pollies. It took 17 years to stop the Franklin Dam and it was the people that did it. Power to the people !

I would not consider "scientific experts" to have the answers. Let us not forget that science has played a great part in getting the planet into the mess that it is in now. Part of the problems of this mill are the chemicals that being used produced by science.

Turnbull (his name is rather fitting too. Turns over a lot of bull) may I introduce you to two men who DO know what they are doing, William McDonough & Michael Braungart (authors of Cradle to Cradle) they go around the world cleaning up toxic industries so no toxins are used or produced in manufacturing anything, one company they have done is the ford motor company. They have also proved that by doing it in an earth friendly way that you can make money as well as save money so that should interest you if nothing else does. So if you want to spend my highly taxed dollar on finding out how to do it right contact them at www.mbdc.com

labour and liberal potiticians are a waste of space and fresh air(if we have any left) and need to be put back in their place and reminded that they work for the people of australia and the generations to come. we can not eat drink or breathe money and money is worth nothing when we have no food, water or air. Just remember, when voting, that the preference of the person/party you are voting for is important. Last time the Greens preference went to the liberals. Having a variety of partys and independents would be far better than the dictatorship we have ended up with.

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warwick Deacock
October 6th, 2007

Quality of Life ?
Mostcitizens ,but never all will recognise that to preserve certain 'values'-space,clean air,clean water and so on and a future for our children is a responsibility that we now hold-we the voters must indicate to our elected politicians our priorities in 'Quality of Life' and that is not the pursuit of 'things' alone.
Owners Chakola Wildlife Refuge.Kangaroo Valley NSW.

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Susan Harvey
October 6th, 2007

The construction of a pulp mill (bad enough in itself) seems a small issue compared to the huge question of why Gunns and the coalition seem want to keep chipping the older forests of Tasmania until there is nothing left at all! How many trees are there in Tasmania?????

And poor Peter Garrett seems to have been enticed to the dark side - never thought Id see the day.
Susan (Nellie) Harvey

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Daniel Sacchero
October 6th, 2007

It's time to question the money. If you disagree with this decision then go and ask your bankers and your super fund if they support this travesty or if they are invest your money in Gunns. If they do then move your money elsewhere that does not.

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Will Brooks
October 6th, 2007

You can have all the safeguards in the world but ONE mistake/accident with Dioxin will wreck the fishing industry. Later on you can bet that Gunn's will request an easing of restrictions. A billion dollar industry employing only 300 people is a disgrace. Gunns are doing to Tasmania what cotton growing does to the Murray Darling river system in that a valuable resource is taken with no respect to the general community.

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Russell Streckfuss
October 6th, 2007

Thankyou for all your efforts to date. We are there in any way we can be in support of your views.

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October 6th, 2007

1.
Tasmanian roads will have to cope with the load of feeding the new PULP mill. As the media reports, 4 million tonnes of logs per annum.

Assuming the average log truck load of ~20 tonnes, equates to 200,000 log trucks per year.

Assuming they won’t be loading the trucks in the dark, that equates to –
200000 (number of trucks) divided by
365 (days)
= 547.9 log trucks per day
Divided by 12 (daylight hours per day on a yearly average)
An average of 256 log trucks per hour. Or one every 14 seconds. Being that the MINIMUM safe driving distance between vehicles is a 2 or 3 second gap (more for a heavy vehicle, and more in the wet), where is this extra traffic going to FIT on our roads?

Correct me if I am wrong, our state government has not done an assessment on our roads or the public safety of adding that much traffic to our roads.

One issue is the maintenance – who will pay for the maintenance of our ever deteriorating roads? The state government can’t keep up now with all the potholes, degraded edges, etc. The Batman Bridge was built, what, in the 1960’s? Was it designed to handle the weight and the traffic potential that this PULP mill will direct its way?
There is a growing confirmation that our Premier is blinded by the dollar signs in his eyes. But if this extra state revenue generated by the PULP mill has to be spent on infrastructure, where is the benefit? I can imagine Gunns happily telling Government "roads are not our problem - the trucks are registered and legal. Go fix it".

2.
As is stated in http://www.environment.gov.au/epbc/notices/assessments/2007/3385/pubs/summary-approval-conditions.pdf
"Over 36,000 public submissions received during three consultation periods over five months since April."

5 months to read 36,000 public submissions. Assuming a 5 day week, about 107 days.
Assuming an 8 hour day, that’s 856 hours, or 51360 minutes.
36000 submissions to read, in 51360 minutes.
So every submission received less than two minutes of consideration, assuming nothing else was done in that 8 hour day.

How many people did they have working on FILTERING the submissions to get just the ones they thought they would consider?
I know for one, it would have taken longer than two minutes just to read my submission.

My point is that they simply could not have considered each and every submission. As someone said on talkback radio recently, he only received notification his submission was read the day before the decision was announced. Surely the decision was done and dusted before then. This is proof enough that the submission stage was a load of banter designed to make the unsuspecting public believe they were being heard.

3.
Worlds Best Practice…

If the PULP mill proposal was said to be “world’s best practice”, then a requirement is handed down to make it nearly four times better in the dioxin output levels, how is this possible?

If it is already world’s best practice, then they would need new technologies to reduce the dioxin levels by any amount. Otherwise, the original submission couldn’t have been “world’s best practice”.

The answer to this question seems simple enough – the term “world’s best practice” cannot have any legal definition and is used to describe something along the lines of “what is currently done to the best conditions elsewhere”. It cannot mean “what is technologically possible to do as the best practice the world offers”, or it simply would not be possible to make the original submission better without new technology.

I notice John Gay was quick to say “no problem, that won’t stop us!” or words to that effect. Proof enough that the original submission was FAR from my definition of "world's best practice" - "the best that is technologically possible in the world today".

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Roger Adams
October 6th, 2007

How progressive is it to devastate our forests just to produce paper and cardboard when we need our last remaining forests to help cleanse our planet and to assist in preventing further climate change? It's not the least bit relevant whether or not it is one of the world's leading pulp mills. The hypocrisy of funding the development of overseas forests whilst destroying our own is disgusting.

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scott brown
October 6th, 2007

As a winner and sole finalist of the National Logistics Award for Environmental Excellence (a $60 Billion Industry)
and getting no assistance from the Government in implementing a solid technology to improve the environment, I seriously question the Governments ethos towards environmental matters. When I contacted Peter Garrett, his comments were astounding, considering his previous position as an environmentalist. I see no improvement from Garrett and Rudd towards serious environmental matters and innovation uptake after Peter's comments. This approval by both sides of politics of the mill is pampering to a small minority to ensure votes in a marginal seat. Sorry Peter you used to be very active and positive about the environment. Now you are just another politician.

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Mavis Benkis
October 6th, 2007

The decision to allow this pulp mill is typical of The New Way of doing things.
The Corporations run our country ,and the world, not the elected representatives, in democratic countries.
Money or the profits from various activities are more important than peoples lives and well being.
All educated persons know we need wood and energy etc, but now is the time to make it more sustainable for our granchildrens future, or there will not be any future for humans on this planet.
It is the only planet we have and we have a duty to take care of it.

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Julia Denton-Barker
October 6th, 2007

Like so many others, I am deeply saddened and upset by this decision. the extraordinary behaviour of the Tasmanian government has nothing to do with a real democracy and everything to do with greed, arrogance and dangerous stupidity. Nothing at all in the Federal legislation to do with air quality, noise, carbon emissions, impact of the increasing traffic. Et cetera. Obviously none of the politicians have heard of peak oil and they seem to think that they can condone the destruction of even more old growth forest. I am both angry and deeply distressed, and also amazed that Garrett can be so short sighted and supportive of something that is clearly a terrible decision.
Thank goodness for Cousins and his assertion that he will fight on: and thank you to Christine Milne: we are all going to fight this throughout the country.

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Robert Stephen
October 6th, 2007

How corrupt this whole procedure is. When the initial review panel started worrying Gay and Gunns the premier axed it. Wake up Tassy its time to axe Gay, Gunns and lab/lib parties. I got to Tassie for the sights not shares.
Rob

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Anne Reynolds
October 6th, 2007

The disgust I feel for the airhead smooth rationalisation of a factory for the total disregard and destruction of the air, environment, water and food chain of northern Tasmania is difficult to express ... but I will give it a go.
Gunns and Lennon I am sure timed this decision for election time ... why the rush. They know NONE of our federal politians have the guts to make a MORAL decision in the face of an election.
ANZ has a new CEO and obviously he must be in the same position. I think any one who can should shift their accounts from ANZ.
Malcolm Trunbull will never be prime minister ... he won't even be a politian after this election and he could have at least been a contender for leader of the opposition. He missed the first major test of his character ... badly. HE could have done the RIGHT thing and disallowed the mill on COMMONSENSE ... he might need SCIENCE to rubber stamp it but gee, can't he think? He could have ridden the wrath of Gunns, earned the respect of the public for making a gutsy decision and kept his seat. What a weak excuse for a polititian. Good riddance.
Leave the poisoned chalice to Mr Garrett who would have sipped gingerly despite his "envionmental" credentials. Now all Mr Garrett can do is hide behind nothing starements of shame. His relief is palpable.
Peter Garrett is beneath contempt.
The other beneath contempt are the "mums and dads" shareholders and the financial advisors who advise putting money into this thing called Gunns ... agribusiness ... who tch tch and what a shame, I hope someone can stop it and then check out smugly their portfolio growth. If every shareholder in Gunns rebelled they would stop.
To the lady from Tasmania .... sorry you are now living in Gunns-mania and I grieve for you.

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Debbie Craven
October 6th, 2007

Anyone who knows and loves would realise just what a traversty of justice, logic, fairness, environmental and economic sense Malcolm Turnbull's decision to allow this pulpmill to be positioned in the Tamar Valley really is - not to mention how the decision making process was conducted.
As many others have mentioned, it beggars belief that they are able to log old growth forests in the first place. Why does Mr. Turnbull continue to mention best practices in relation to the proposed mill. The best practice would be not to construct the mill in the first place. Alternatively if it must go ahead let it go ahead in the industrial area up north where it has been reported that it would be welcomed. Also as mentioned the noisy logging trucks which are driven very dangerously with little respect to others using the road in cars or on foot - the Tamar Valley residence and tourists don't need that. Added to this disastrous safety issue is the already worrying problem of an inversion layer from the emmissions from household fireplaces, imagine how the emmissions from this pulp mill will exacerbate the problem.
Has the Government lost sight of the beauty of Tasmania. Keep the trees that remain. Put more land away to plant trees. Encourage tourism and clean industries with the same favour that is bestowed on this project. Pulp Gunn's.

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S. Clarke
October 6th, 2007

This has made my decision clear who I am voting for, I was erring on the side of Labor, but if it looked like a landslide i was going to go for the greens so Labor doesnt have complete power like the liberals do now, I am going greens all the way, and I will be strongly expressing my views throughout my family and friends and generally they are ones who vote for whoever...I am sick for the lack of concern for the future these politicians hold, my grandchildren and great grandchildren will live here, but with what hope will they enjoy this life, The Indigenous people preserved this country for thousands for years and within 200 years we have caused devastation..it seems our generation are having the party and using all our resources and the next will be the clean up crew..where are the responsible leaders that will not be swayed but stand for this countries future sustainability... I can only see the greens as my option

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Peter Power
October 6th, 2007

I own and manage an Eco Retreat, Rainbow Retreat which is on the north east coast of Tasmania.
I am appalled at the process taken by the Tasmanian State labor government, this government is the most corrupt and arrogant government that exists in Australia. I now fear for the future of the wildlife and the environment since the announcement of the approval of the Pulp Mill.
I am also disgusted at Peter Garretts silence on this matter and that he has sold out with his support. This mill is not world class, it is third world class. I also fear deeply for our forests and the habitat, that will be destroyed by Gunns Ltd to feed a polluting factory that is not a viable business. We have developed a website for the wildlife of Tasmania... www.wildlifetasmania.com this website will tell you about the status of our wildlife and which politician's to be aware of, WE ARE REGISTERED WILDLIFE CARERS AND KNOW THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE THOUSANDS OF WILDLIFE DESTROYED DURING AND AFTER THE MILL IS BUILT. The fight is not over yet, watch out Australia, Tasmania is about to ERUPT!!!!
Come on everyone in Australia, PLEASE HELP US STOP THIS MILL AND THIS CORRUPT LENNON GOVERNMENT AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL VANDALS GUNNS LTD

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Alfred HAYES
October 6th, 2007

The ever eloquent Mr Turnbull declines to give clearly, nor adequently, those unamed "Scientific Experts" including the "Chief Scientist" in his "willy words of wisdom", which makes one wonder not only who these faceless persons are, but actually, what they really know or understand on this complex problem >> If the facts against the project at the location of concern are valid, Tasmania will rapidly return into those dark, dim ages, when peoples lives are expendable for the profits to be gained. The people vote politicians to serve them - not to dictate and destroy (Election day draws nearer by the hour!) >> If Mr Turnbull is so certain of HIS facts given, is he prepared to be PERSONALLY financially and physically responsible for any and all damage to the area and health failure including life loss of humans and creatures, directly from this "mill" - I think NOT! >> ... and as for Garrett's episole through his eyes, his words are just that, and only that - he has slimilly slide around the problem without true comment either way, like notes sitting on a music line. Pray tell, are you with the people who live in Tamar Valley and those who have concern for the area, or do you vote for it to be built? A direct answer if you please. Or will you be called "Greasy Garrett" due to your slippery way with words? Sir Kingsford Smith, your representative area name, faced much adversity and rose above it to become publically respected - I wonder if your name, similarly, will be respected? >> Let ALL the facts become pulic Mr Turnbull, or, are your going to TURN to be the BULL in the china shop?

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Joan Schmidt
October 6th, 2007

I too am appalled that this is going ahead! My heart goes out to all of those who are living in this beautiful area. As a person living in the beautiful hills area of Melbourne the thought of loss of trees and the incredible rise in truck traffic appalls me! Peter Garrett please be a real environental Minister!!!

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Andrew Gunn
October 6th, 2007

Malcolm Turnbull - a very predictable decision, right from the start. Your environmental credentials, such as they were, have been obliterated. But then, what else could be expected from an ex-banker/venture capitalist.

Peter Garrett - you guys (Labor) blew a great opportunity. You could have opposed the mill and gained some credibility. Now, whatever credibility you may have had will be shredded just like the trees that will be fed to the mill.

People of Tamar Valley - if it's of any comfort, I live in the Bennelong (Howard's)electorate. I'm not voting for Howard.

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darrell stone
October 6th, 2007

Has Peter Garrett become Peter Gunn? He should go back to Midnight Oil where he did more good for the people of Australia than he is in ALP!

People of Australia, it is time to get angry and restore democracy! Neither the coalition nor ALP practice that, so it is left to the minor parties and independents. Let's increase their numbers and reduce the dictatorships fueled by power and big business. Let's give them WorkChoices - as their employers, we expect them to work for us, and no-one else. Give them the flick if they won't comply!

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D J Millar
October 6th, 2007

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I've just mailed my bank ANZ to let them know that I'm appalled that ANZ should finance the Gunns Mill. Changeing banks is something people do these days for les compelling reasons than this. It's a small protest I know but then again if enough people us this tool maybe it will give them some pause.

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Dianne Corthorne
October 6th, 2007

How can our government condemn third world countries for their apalling environmental record and human rights abuses when they are prepared to do what amounts to the same thing themselves?

This mill will spoil the environment of the Tamar Valley, Tasmania, Australia and our world forever! Make no mistake, this will impact on global warming. So where does the rest of the world stand on this issue? They campaigned successfully to save the Franklin River why are they not trying to help us save the Tamar Valley.

Ultimately, this mill will affect every living creature on our planet. the people in favour of the mill are the ones who will either reap a huge profit or are shortsighted enough to believe it will guarantee them jobs for the future. Once the trees are gone, Gunns will move to another pristine area and will have no compunction in sacking all the timber workers leaving them destitute.

Make no mistake - this mill will be the slippery slide down the road to the ruination of our beautiful country. It makes me want to weep!

Finally, I am for once glad that I am nearly 60 years old and may not live long enough to see the full extent of the damage and destruction our government and other governments around the world are having on our once beautiful and unique world.

Sadly and sincerely,

Dianne Corthorne.
A concerned citizen of the world.

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Tanya Dixon
October 6th, 2007

My comment goes straight to Mt Peter Garrett. I just cannot believe that a man who has so passionately always been an environmental warrior, is now towing the party line and agreeing to something that is going to destroy the pristine beauty of Tassie's forests and shores with this timber mill. What happened Mr Garret? Why have you strayed from the path? Or is it that like so many before you, once you've got that taste of power and the perks that go with the job, you've forgotten what got you there in the first place. Remember Mr Garrett it was because you were so passionate about saving our environment! Please don't change to the other side, take another look at this mill and say what any true environmentalist would, say NO WAY!!!

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Melina Magdalena
October 6th, 2007

You know ... the point is NOT whether the scientists got it right; whether the politicians listened and believed the scientists; and whether Gunns itself will faithfully and to the letter conform to governmental stricture on the building and running of this pulp mill ...

It's no different from the other decisions and policies the government has implemented, about which Australians are screaming in horror, rage and despair.

The point is, we didn't want the pulp mill under any circumstances; we don't believe it is necessary for the Australian economy to have the pulp mill; we don't need to have the go-ahead endlessly justified by government and shadow ministerial apologists.

As Australians, we have the right and the responsibility to respond when we feel our government is not acting in our best interests. As ordinary Australians, we are deeply suspicious of the pulp mill for a swathe of reasons, not the least of which is the potential damage and destruction it will cause to the environment, even with the regulations and strict conditions that have been placed upon it.

I am so tired of politicians and people with money making decisions on my behalf because they think they know better than I.

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Pamela maegdefrau
October 6th, 2007

I do not live in Tasmania but consider it to be one of the unique places left in the world. the fact that it is under threat from unnecessary 'industrial degredation' brings great shame on all Australians. The Environment Minister and his shadow had a hard task to approve or not approve according to scientific reports.

As a former scientist I know it is always possible to find argumants for and against such a project. The decision comes into a morality questioni beleive.

The really scary aspect of this debate is that the Tasmanian Govt and the federal Govt appear to be 'controlled' by Gunns. The power of this company has been allowed to get to a point where no one has the balls to stand up against them...except the tiny people who will be affected by the mill.
It does our politicians no honour that the Australian people now understand that we cannot trust the decisions of govt and that for each one of them ...there is a price. This appears to come in 2 forms.....either fear of being campaigned against and losing their cozy jobs ...or the more offensive concept of directly benefiting from the company by either financial support or public endorsement.
I believe a royal commission is needed into the whole affair. if we cannot believe that our politicians are above corruption then as a nation were are absolutely stuffed.

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anthony smith
October 6th, 2007

we must STOP this mill!!!!!

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maria prendergast
October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett 's and Labor's weakness over this has dashed my hopes for the new regime. I simply feel betrayed by a party I had such hope for.

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Stephanie Smyth
October 6th, 2007

Sometimes I wonder if we humans will ever make it out alive. Just when Starbucks and Ethiopean coffee growers make fair trade deals, just when a massive pharmaceutical company drops a court case against thousands of poor Indians, I'm thinking, 'actually, maybe we're not so bad after all.' Then there's Gunns. What an absolute disgrace. How can you sleep at night Lennon? You must live in such hell. You poor thing, rotting awaying inside knowing the decisions you've made.

And then there's Garrett, what a coward! You've sold out mate. I remember feeling excited when I heard you were joining Labor, made me think there was hope with someone so passionate about our environment, you would have a lot of sting in your tail. But no. You look like a sad old dog with it's tail between it's legs.

Then there's little old me. I will keep speaking out, keep saving water, keep giving hugs, keep voting.

What? ANZ has funded Gunns?! Right, that's it. I'm changing my credit card....

Stephanie Smyth, Botany, NSW.

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Leo Sayers
October 6th, 2007

One of the major causes of environmental pollution is the destruction of native forests. The arctic ice shelf has reduced by 1 million square Km in one year. We are in deep strife. Trees can be our salvation, yet we continue to destroy them, also creating more pollution in the process. Our grand children will ask the question, "What the hell were our grandparents doing?"

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October 6th, 2007

Looking at the entire impact of approving a mill is the only accurate way to assess the value of having it or not. Having lived in the Otways in Victoria and doing research on the impacts of similar projects and practices, I can only say that there are very few benefits and many disasterous consequences. Even economically, it was shown that Australia actually looses money from woodchipping.

It's time we embraced practices that create win win outcomes. Permaculture, where people work with nature, is a wonderful approach.

Lets get creative and look at the big picture, after all, we are in period where our survival is at stake.

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paula morrow
October 6th, 2007

Mother Earth is being killed.

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Roger Hallett
October 6th, 2007

It is claimed that Tasmania needs this industry to provide jobs, but it is being so heavily subsidised, that it looks to be a very backward step. Instead of spending this money on buying jobs and votes, why not spend it on supporting a new industry for Tasmanians - renewable energy from their massive reserves of natural resources - the wind and sea. Wave and wind power in the Roaring Forties should be a strong springboard to build technical skills and knowledge that can be exported globally - much better than woodchips! Let's develop the Smart Country and move up the evolutionary scale from simply cutting down a tree to generating and exporting Intellectual Property.

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Max Inwood
October 6th, 2007

Is this another PULP MILL to ruin the sea waters. like the one at BURNIE Has
The water has been Toxic there for years.
You cant eat the fish from there if you can get them , and you cant even swim in it.

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Patricia O'Brien
October 6th, 2007

Read the comments today, Saturday 5th October, in the Age newspaper. In the Insight section they explain Malcolm Turnbull's use of the term World Best Practice. It seems it's the term used by the World Bank which in effect puts minimum conditions on developing countries. The mills in Sweden and Canada use much stricter requirements. More weasel words. What a sad country we have become. No pride. Anything big business says.

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Stuart Richardson
October 6th, 2007

Mr Garrett,
No, that is not "the best" we can do! How about keeping the island as pristine as possible for a while & then having the most desired real estate/ tourism destination in the world? Long term thinking. ACTUALLY caring about our childrens future home. I think Malcolm & yourself are going to be looking for new work soon, neither of you are sufficiently qualified or motivated for the positions you hold. Or perhaps you are just playing the game till Labor is elected & then you will be free to help Australia lead the world environmentally?

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Patricia O'Brien
October 6th, 2007

Read the comments today, Saturday 6th October, in the Age newspaper. In the Insight section they explain Malcolm Turnbull's use of the term World Best Practice. It seems it's the term used by the World Bank which in effect puts minimum conditions on developing countries. The mills in Sweden and Canada use much stricter requirements. More weasel words. What a sad country we have become. No pride. Anything big business says.

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Allan Atkin
October 6th, 2007

I find it amazing that yet again a decision has been made by our senior politicians that flies in the face of the mounting evidence that supports Global Warming. Despite what anyone says, to build a mill that chews trees faster than they can grow is not sustainable. Additionally, the added pollution is the last thing that the Tamar region needs. There are already significant issues with the air quality in that region. Evidence would suggest that in 30-40 years time, Global warming on the whole, the rise in sea levels and many other aspects of that issue will make Tasmania an attractive place to many, purely because of where Tasmania is geographically, I see that it would make more sense to keep the place a bit tidy so that it is actually worth selling to all those who are going to want some quality in their life. Again, the Government has bowed to pressure from big business and sadly, when all of our worst fears become reality, none of the lawmakers will be held accountable.
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Susan McMahon
October 6th, 2007

Well, Mr Turnbull, by the look on your face as you delivered this approval, you knew you were committing political suicide. Which is a pity, because you would probably have made an intelligent and fair-minded Prime Minister. What you have done is squibbed big-time on giving the people of Tasmania, and most especially those in the Tamar Valley a fair hearing on the many issues still undealt re the Gunns proposal. You now give those people, supported by the majority of Tasmanians, and indeed it seems, Australians, the right to take this fight in other directions. You have allowed the floodgates to be opened, and I don't think it is going to be at all 'nice'.
If this travesty ever gets built, or started to be built, I don't think it will ever make pulp. Wrong mill, wrong place, wrong decision, Malcolm. Save my valley from the Lennon/Gay vision of a Tasmanian Ruhr.

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Diana Black
October 6th, 2007

None of us can take a parochial view about the environment. Just because it may not be adjacent to our own back door, doesn't mean we can abrogate our responsibility to take into consideration the decisions being made that will affect future generations of all organisms not just human animals. Humanity needs to grow up and stop being selfish and short-sighted. What will Tasmania look like in 100 years as a result of this decision...or let's go global, what will the world look like in 100 years if we don't curtail our rate of reproduction and wanton, irresponsible resource use?

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Julia weston
October 6th, 2007

There have already been many comments on the air and sea pollution - and I agree with them all.

As farmers,horticulturalists and tourism operators, we are concerned not only with the damage this mill will do state wide to tourism but also the devastating affects it will have on the future of agriculture in this state - a place that should be the food bowl of Australia.

That the pulp mill will waste 26,000 megalitres of pure water each year and pay only $24 a megalitre for it, and that farmers struggling with drought conditions in some areas will have to pay $100 is pure madness.

That farms all over the state - some of them rich first class land - are being bought by Gunns or other forest companies and turned into plantations is obscene.

Already we have seen in the past years the increasing degradation of Tasmania, loss of habitat for native wildlife, loss of water resources due to logging but all these bright boys - of both sides of politics - can say is that this mill is 'value adding of our forest estate' and providing jobs. Bullshit. Surely we have more imagination than using our beautiful timber for woodchips!

Tasmania is on the brink of destuction which is no exaggeration when we who live in one of the major forestry areas of the state have witnessed the beginning of this for years.

To leave the likes of Lennon in charge of this beautiful state is like putting an arsonist in charge of a fireworks factory - except in the latter case there is little to lose.

We surely have moved back into the Dark Ages.

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Pam Lorimer
October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett - shame on you and the Labor Party - me to politics demonstrates a complete lack of concern about anything but vote catching. I for one will not be voting for such a gutless and unscrupulous party again.

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October 6th, 2007

It seems that Australian Government has taken the attitude of massive advertising (no facts, just emotive jargon) to railroad the public time and time again. Deals that are pushed through over the Christmas break, hidden agendas with big business and a deaf ear to the taxpayer and the public. In my 30 years in Australia I have seen this road to nowhere get heavier traffic with each succeeding government.

Is there no provision in law to be held accountable to the people of the state and country? Is there no consultation BEFORE announcing a done deal? I was told by the police here NOT to report nearly being driven off the road by a log truck because they couldn't guarantee my safety!!! And personnally they wouldn't risk it. Is this a dictatorship? or totalitarian government?
How do we make changes to this disastrous situation: hospitals schools personal rights all being pulped by the government in bed with big business.

I have moved from Windermere because my assurance of a healthy safe place has been threatened and undermined by Gunn's and Paul Lennon's government. I am disappointed to have migrated to a puppet state.

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Grace Fitzpatrick
October 6th, 2007

Surely there is more future in eco-tourism than the paper mill - how about educating the supporting locals of other ways to benefit their future so they wouldn't feel trapped in the belief that the paper mill is the only future for their children??? - They need to see and believe in other possibilities.

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ron burton
October 6th, 2007

This is a huge issue which won't go away. It is the wrong decision. The mill will damage tourism, agriculture and and fishing, and the health of Tasmanians, and add to global warming. It will be in the minds of many voters as we go to the polls.

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Basil Eliades
October 6th, 2007

Despite the best intentions of trying to find a balance between economics and ideologies, it is completely preposterous that Mr Garrett - or anyone else - should support this mill. We have surely passed the point of destroying forests for financial gain. We need the trees. What kind of world are we creating, right now? Come on, Mr Garrett, step into being the best you can be, the most expanding, intelligent, giving human you can be. We do not need more pulp. We need trees. Looks like the Greens are, yet again, the only ones who are listening.

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Roz Pearson
October 6th, 2007

This is yet another nail in the coffin of this beautiful island Tasmania. When I moved here four years ago I was overwhelmed by the beauty of its landscape and natural beauty. But it seems that many native Tasmanians can't see it and seem more focussed on the short-term gain that may come from exploiting their natural resources.

I recently returned to the forests of the South-west of Western Australia. Some years ago the Labour government there banned the logging of native forests. At the time there were many who believed that this was a catastrophe and would lead to many job losses. What I saw upon my return was many booming towns - looking good, making the most of the tourist money that was clearly flowing into every corner of that beautiful part of the world.

Tasmania could learn a lot from that experience. Not enough is spent on promoting tourism in Tasmania. The public transport is abysmal, people who want to provide facilities for eco-tourism are sent packing, locals struggle to provide what tourist seek. The forests and natural beauty that most tourists come to see are being destroyed at an obscene rate.

Do Tasmanians want the whole island to end up looking like Queenstown?

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Judith Harris
October 6th, 2007

Something is very wrong, altogether on our planet. The growth and greed of a capitalist society is unsustainable, and it is time for people to wake up to this before it is too late and the polititions lead us to annilalation. Did they all forget that it is vegetation that breathes out oxygen, quite apart from our forests being irreplacable.

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jeff carter
October 6th, 2007

Tasmania's reputation as one of the world's remaining near pristine environments is the island's most valuable asset. Tourism and sustainable organic agriculture are the way of the future, not pulp mills,alumina refineries and other toxic industries. The future of the island should be in the hands of the general population, not anonymous share-holders, whose only God is the Bottom Line and who have no interest in quality of life or a sustainable future.

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Bob Noble
October 6th, 2007

DO WE HAVE TO SEE A CLASS ACTION IN THE FUTURE FOR HEALTH PROBLEMS CAUSED BY PREVENTABLE INDUSTRIAL POLLUTION??

As an environmental scientist and with family in northern Tasmania I am deeply concerned about the siting and operation of the proposed Pulp Mill in the Tamar Valley.
There are a number of important issues - accelerated loss of old growth forests and endangered fauna, marine pollution (can a maximum allowable discharge of up to 86 tonnes/yr of chlorate ion, 5.5 tonnes /yr of chloracetic acid, 80 mg/yr of "dioxin' related compounds through a diffuser a few klms offshore near the mouth of the Tamar Estuary be regarded as acceptable pollution?)and human health.
With regard to the human health issues - these seem to have fallen off the radar screen or more correctly have been bypassed / smothered by the State assessment processes. With some 70 000 people living in Launceston and adjacent to the Tamar Estuary, there is clear evidence already of air quality problems from the industrial activities along the estuary and from wood-fired heating. While efforts are underway to reduce pollution from wood fires emissions into the atmosphere from the Pulp Mill because of its proposed location on the estuary would add significantly to this pollution load. The topography and meteorology (including predominant wind directions)in the estuary mean that often polluted air is trapped in the upper estuary around Launceston by the surrounding hills. There is growing medical evidence also that fine particles in the polluted air ( <2.5 microns)are effective carriers of pollutants, readily enter our bodies and pose a serious health threat (in many parts of Australia we still don't even measure the concentrations of these fine particles in our polluted sites!).
Do we have to re-visit another serious (and predictable)health problem for the population of Launceston? such as the more widespread cases against smoking and exposure to asbestos? Do we want to wait 10-20 years for a necessary class action by the citizens of Launceston against the owners/ operators/ financial supporters of this proposed Pulp Mill on the Tamar because of clearly discernible health problems arising from the operation?
As well as the other important issues the siting of this Pulp Mill on the Tamar poses a serious health threat to some 70 000 of our fellow citizens - especially for the young who will grow up in this added pollution and the old.
WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!!! THIS IS A NATIONAL ISSUE AND COULD BE HAPPENING TO YOU!!!
Don't allow a bullying and manipulative State process (and lack of leadership from federal representatives who should feel ashamed!)to mask these potential health problems for the people of Launceston and the Tamar. Contact your local members of Parliament (and financial institutions) and let them know that the siting of this PULP MILL on the TAMAR is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

Bob Noble B.App.Sci (App.Chem.), MSc.

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jeff carter
October 6th, 2007

PS: A pestilence on the "Labor" Party for its support of the proposed pulp mill.

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Peter Simmons
October 6th, 2007

I thought Malcolm Turnbull might be bigger than this. He had an opportunity to say 'No - we protect the environment for everyone'. But he chose to destroy for the sake of a few.

We don't need pulp mills.

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judy brown
October 6th, 2007

How can we even contemplate 10 million tonnes of greenhouse gases being released into the atmosphere each year when we are in the 11th hour for catastrophic climate change events and our scientists are struggling to find ways of reducing carbon emissions. This is madness. Come on Peter make a stand for what you know is right.

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Roselt Croeser
October 6th, 2007

I can not believe that this mill has been approved and that both major parties are supporting it. It is a disaster.

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Dennis Hosking
October 6th, 2007

Malcom Turnbull, Peter Garrett, whatever the environmental and social outcomes of this Mill, no matter how many of the 48 conditions are violated by Gunns, I hope you have the courage to say to yourself everyday, 'This is my responsibility'.

Don't ever attempt to hide behind Gunns failure to follow your 'conditions', nor the failure of your scientist to underestimate the impact of this mill.

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Alastair Breingan
October 6th, 2007

I don't understand why the apparently intelligent folk who run our country (and those who would) still persist in supporting these early industrial age industries (coal, aluminum, forest and pulp) while ignoring the emerging ones (tourism, clean energy etc). This mill is being supported with hundreds of millions of government money as well as the careful setting of review criteria so as to paint it in the best possible light.

This is tantamount to shitting in our own nest which is never a good strategy.

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jennifer Birch
October 6th, 2007

Democracy can only function properly if we have honest and open politions and there is an air of decte and cover up about Gunn pulp mill that stinks. If it is so sweet and good why the throttling of the public investigation process

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jennifer Birch
October 6th, 2007

Democracy can only function properly if we have honest and open politions and there is an air of decte and cover up about Gunn pulp mill that stinks. If it is so sweet and good why the throttling of the public investigation process

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Yvonne Hastings
October 6th, 2007

I am horrified that this has been given the go ahead, we have just come back from Fraser Island, which is a world heritage site, and they used to log there, this sort of place should be preserved, for the tourist to marvel at and enjoy, once it is gone it is gone for good.

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Frank Povah
October 6th, 2007

Thank you Garrett, Turnbull, Lennon and Gay, you are Australia's Top Gunns. At 67 years of age I am now seeing my beloved country in its death throes. Thanks to the mining industry, Gunns and colluding politicians, we are witnessing the biggest rape of a country, its people and resources since Caesar invaded Gaul. Howard says we must break the power of the unions yet he did a deal with the CFMEU in Tassie and Gunns paid for their pro-logging messages. Where's the concern for the jobs in the family sawmills that Gunns have wiped out? Or for the sawmill owner near Sorrell who spent $5 million on making his mill environment-friendly (solar powered kiln, no waste left in forest or sawmill) only to be told he can now only have second-grade logs? All this for a couple of seats in what will probably be a win for Labor anyway.
The enquiry was a foregone conclusion. The Feds gave Gunns about $5 million for a "study" and Lennon has spent at least twice that promoting - sorry, informing voters about - the mill. When one flies over Tassie now, it's become obvious that the holes in the forests and the miles of so-called minor species windrowed for burning are now outnumbering the patches of intact bush.
Please feel free to use my name.

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Shevill Mathers
October 6th, 2007

Residents of the Tamar Valley and Launceston already suffer airborne pollution problems every time there is an inversion layer, which traps the polluted air from the existing industrial sites, plus smoke from wood heaters.

Now the Federal & State governments - via Gunns pulp mill, wants to add to this pollution load and further aggravate the health problems suffered by many who live in this area.

Minute particulate matter will be fed into the atmosphere, which, during inversion layer times, will travel back & forth the length of the Tamar Valley, picking up more pollution each time the various plumes move out to sea and back in again in a regular cycle.

I have already mentioned the toxic materials being fed into the river.

Paul Lennon, John Gay & Malcolm Turnbull, want to be remembered as the people primarily responsible for a Tasmanian equivalent of a "Chernobyl", "Exon Veldez" oil spill,"King River" acidification, "Asbestos Mines" = cancer, and the list goes on. Wherever such industrial & mining, activity etc developments occur, the potential for a 'significant' accident is always present.

Once the genie' is out of the bottle, these guys will not be able to put him/her back in the bottle.

What would the Minister say if the mill were planned to be built at the end of his leafy street????

No doubt money speaks and money is power, let us hope that the various banks and the source of the money required to build this 'disaster waiting to happen', will have genuine consideration for the Tamar Valley and its residents, plus the morale fortitude to say "NO WAY John Gay".

Tasmanian resident.

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wendy loefler
October 6th, 2007

I agree.

Tourism is the area with the most potential for growth in the area.

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Fran Westmore
October 6th, 2007

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Shame on you Peter Garrett and Labour. I wanted to have hope that Labour would show some ethics and a willingness to embrace transparency and democratic values but you have failed.

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Helen White
October 6th, 2007

An outrage! How could anyone be signatories to this legislation which will destroy the pristine environment in Tasmania.
Remember to record your disgust in the next elections!

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Tania Verdez
October 6th, 2007

What an absolute disgrace that our government has failed to protect the very small amount of pristine forests this country has left.

Have we not learned anything? Are we really that blind?
And why is labor not opposing this all the way?

For this government to say that it is doing something about climate change, and at the same time approving the construction of this mill is duplicitous to say the least. I hope the Australian public speak with their votes.

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October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett has sold out. How else could he support the mill in Tasmania? As for Turnball, the only environment he is interested in is the one with the dollar sign; the economic environment.

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sue nettlefold
October 6th, 2007

They commented on the news last night that the ANZ bank will be financing this mill. I think an appeal by membership of GETUP to petition ANZ could a way of unravelling this issue. ANZ are said to be sensitive to clients feeling on the environment as it sends their share price down if it goes the wrong way.

I also think more emphasis on the Greenhouse gas effect of this destruction could bring wider attention globally.

I am a Tasmanian who has just returned to this island after 35 years in NSW. As a Australian I know the value of what we will lose. This chance wont't come again.

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Tracy Ward
October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett, you have sold your soul!!! We all believed that you would uphold your values as Opposition Environment minister but I think you have stood against your own beliefs so you can tow the party line. I am so disappointed.

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kim swanson
October 6th, 2007

I am bitterly disappointed in Malcolm Turnbull's decision. He deserves to lose his seat....and this is the man that couls have become Prime Minister....what a loser. He was a loser over the Republican issue and he's done it again...bye, bye Malcolm. As for Garrett....his reputation is completely trashed and it will NEVER RECOVER....a toady for big business....who would have ever thought it....thank God he didn't join the Greens...he would have whiteanted them into irrelevance like he is doing to Labor and its environment. We all know Rudd is just a Monica on her knees....me too, me too, oooh Johnny me too.
THE PEOPLE UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED...the fight to stop the pulp mill has only just begun!!!

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Charles McCubbin
October 6th, 2007

This mill amounts to crimnal folly. Minister Turnbull lied deliberately to the people of Australia, when he claimed the proposed Gunn's mill was world's best practice.

A revolutionary $1.7 billion pulp mill about to be approved in South Australia will use just one-tenth of the water proposed by the Gunns mill on the Tamar River.

The Protavia pulp mill at Penola, in SA's south-east near Mt Gambia, includes a "closed-loop" recycling system, eliminating the need for polluting effluent to leave the site.

This mill will be totally chlorine free and use only plantation timber.

See article by Sue Neales The Mercury 7 Aug 2007

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David Weir
October 6th, 2007

I am one of those Australian citizens who deplores the government's decision to build the pulp mill in Tasmania. Sadly, it is yet another clear example of the tragic consequences of having government tied to big money concerns.

It seems to me that the global warming emergency facing us is showing up all too clearly the real agenda of our government. Like their much-admired US counterparts, they are shown up by crisis to be little more than corporate managers, applying economic 'bottom line' responses to issues that require humanity and real leadership.

These rogues need to wake up to a new understanding of sustainable existence in this country - as do many Australians. Let's continue to exert pressure for change to a more sane way of being.

And on that note, you might like to listen to some music inspired by these very concerns. Check out www.myspace.com/davidjweir

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Margaret Richardson
October 6th, 2007

To reverse this decision would recognize the fact that "economics" is NOT the only important factor in major political issues. If we are to ensure that our planet remains habitable for our children and grandchildren we MUST urgently use new thinking, stop extra pollution and save every precious tree.

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JOHN KELLY
October 6th, 2007

How can it be said that this mill is world's best practise when it is an open cycle mill, wheras completly closed cycle pulp mills have been built and operated in Scandanavia and USA. This mill will use 'the commons' [that is our ocean and our atmosphere] to dispose of waste - getting rid of waste is part of the production process and part of the cost of manufacture. It should not be a cost which is dumped on the public.

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Jannine Eldred
October 6th, 2007

I simpoy do not believe the political speak that supports this horrendous pulp mill, especially Turnbull's insistence on "scientific advice", and totally support the fight to have it stopped. What sort of heritage are we leaving our children when profit and political gain are viewed as our country's most important values, & our beautiful & vitally important environment is disregarded by those who stand to gain in these areas? We would all lose in the end.

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suzanne hogan
October 6th, 2007

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Without doubt Peter Garrett you are a complete disappointment to our children and their future. Your inability to see beyond the short term economic benefits and not engage creative 'out of the square' thinking that you were once known for is truly an indicator of what now drives you - political acceptance and money!! There are other solutions to Tasmania and it's powerful future - just look a little to the left and keep looking eventually you will find the right.

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Deborah Savill
October 6th, 2007

Keep fighting the rest of Australia is listening.

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John M Reid
October 6th, 2007

However stringent the conditions imposed on the operations of the mill, they mean nothing unless compliance is monitored by a competent independent authority — an authority that is not answerable to the Tasmanian government and has its own Act, like the ACCC to protect it from being leant on by the Federal Executive government.
Second, Lennan has stated publicly (on Lateline) that no old-growth timber will go as feedstock to the mill — only regrowth and plantation trees will be used. The Compliance Authority must be obliged and empowered to ensure this undertaking is adhered to.
A research program to identify alternative (to trees) fibres that can be turned into paper should be properly funded and implemented immediately, probably by CS&IRO. If hemp is such a fibre, its use must not be inhibited by objections from USA or local conservatives.

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Jo Bragg
October 6th, 2007

I am a public interest environmental lawyer with over 15 years experience in Brisbane, Queensland and Commonwealth environmental laws including in running Court cases against the private companies and bad decisions by Government.
"Conditions" cannot green up a project that will destroy vast quantities of precious native forest and locate a pulp mill in a highly sensitive location.
Do not be fooled by the long list of conditions attached to the pulp mill approval. The Commonwealth government allocates inadequate resources to enforcing conditions and enforcement of the Environmental Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act is often left to poorly resourced individuals.Gunns has shown itself willing to spend up big in Court to protect its commercial interests.
The approval of the pulp mill is disgraceful.

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Dave Nolan
October 6th, 2007

Very interesting to observe the evolution from Peter Garrett into a fullblown Career Politician

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patricia nemeth
October 6th, 2007

Please,don't do this. For our children's sake and their children

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Bill Beaumont
October 6th, 2007

I live in North-East Tasmania. Up to 100 log trucks pass my home every day, carrying the forests of the Blue Tier to the Gunns chip mill at Bell Bay. Even if the mill is built, there will be no value-adding to these chips, which will continue to be exported. The pulp mill will mean a further 100 trucks a day, and accelerated forest destruction.

Liberal and Labor are in total agreement on this issue, as on everything else. Australia has become a one-party state. Liberal and Labor have become equally narrow and mean-spirited. The Greens are the only opposition.

Words cannot express my disgust at Peter Garrett's sell-out.

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October 6th, 2007

Disappointed by this decision and even more disappointed by Peter Garrett's lack of resistance.As a grandparent I am appalled by what we as a nation are doing to the environment.

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Anne Tatnell
October 6th, 2007

I can't believe in this day and age that we are still chasing the quick dollar and sacrificing the quality of our medium and long term future. No private company has the welfare of the enviroment as a priority over dollar gains, and there are always ways for clever company executives to bypass 'stringent' enviromental conditions. And who will police this? Will they be there 24 hours a day, or doing spot checks? This decision is a disgrace on both political parties.

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Nick Sharp
October 6th, 2007

The NSW state election was widely regarded as a choice between TweedleDUMB and TweedleDUMBER, but the upcoming federal election is shaping up as exactly the opposite, at least on the pulp mill issue.
With luck, and a little help from Cousins, Turnbull has shot himself in the Wentworth, which is just fine, but I cringe every time Garrett opens his mouth; and I hope that privately so does he. If he could have time-travelled to 2007, while president of the ACF, and witnessed his own utterances, I'm sure he wouldn't be where he is today. I'm against suicide though.

I live close enough to Bennelong to try and help bring forward Howard's retirement plan, and I can just taste the joy of farewelling "the hamster version of Menzies" (beaut line, Robert Hughes), but I fear an upcoming Saturday Ruddslide will bring but temporary delight - till about Monday in fact, when pretty much business as usual will continue the great Aussie tradition: "if it runs, shoot it, if it stands still, cut it down". Or dig it up, and react or burn it, even if you are quite certain it will trash the planet.

Time for a very clear statement from the owners. Here's my last-to-first numbering plan:

COALition: as last as possible unless there is a ONE NOTION candidate to take that slot.
LABOR: just a bit higher. Perhaps it's time to start a laboUr party, not only to teach spelling but to try and put the yoU back in the party, instead of having it run by THEM.
DEMOCRATS: divert them from writing their last will and testament and give them an almighty shock: execution postponed.
GREENS: give them a little bit of power at last, so that they finally have to work out policies on Everything Else.

LABOUR will probably take the Reps, but for heavens sake, let's have a real Senate.

Wasn't bad typing, given the crossed fingers, was it?

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Anna Pilkington
October 6th, 2007

My husband and I live in the beautiful Tamar Valley - about 12km from the proposed pulp mill site. Our whole future here in Tassie is uncertain due to this horrific mammoth industrial proposal. It is simply the wrong mill in the wrong place. The people of Tasmania have let our elected representatives know this time and time agian in polls etc, but obviously greed shines through no matter what. We WILL stop this mill. Believe me the fight is only just beginning. The people of Tasmania - and especailly those living in the Tamar Valley - love this valley way too much to just sit down as our premier would love us to do.
We simply will NOT have this mill in OUR valley. Simple.

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October 6th, 2007

Of course this pulp mill should NEVER be built. Unfortunately, politicians are playing a dangerous game not only with the future of Tasmania, but with the rest of the population of all Australians as water cannot be contained and once poluted will reach many shores.

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Judith Ellis
October 6th, 2007

Forget the economics, the politics,the stringent conditions etc. etc. HOW COULD we allow 200000 hectares of forest to be cleared - utter folly and madness for which we will all pay. We blab on about the Amazon and Malayasia and all the 'backward' countries who clear their forests - well we have just joined that club of wanton madness.

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Alan Goldstein
October 6th, 2007

In the end Peter G the issue is not how comfortable you are with the Pulp Mill but how honest and transparent the process because you know that these things were decided between the Liberals and Gunns well before the Chief Scientist(a Liberal appointee) was given his very restricted brief. This bull of Gunns saying they can't cope with extra conditions and then Turnball adding a few and then Gunns reluctantly saying Oh ok then is just that, bullshit and you know it! The system is corrupt and YOU know it. You have sold out to your ego and I for one am spending a lot of time sharing my disappointment with anyone I meet. The Greens and many others have given you, Labour and Turnball the chance to do the right thing,ie; a fair and open process, and yet again the power of money has won this round. Peter, I live in a part of the country where we are actually conserving the environment, and it costs us lots in real $ as individuals. We are prepared to do this cos' it's important for today and the future. Remember these lines Peter, they are kind of like what you use to say. That's before you put becoming a real politician first! I know you and Labour are trying to make yourselves a small target in the run up to the elections and you may get into power and I will celebrate the end of John Howard BUT I am not excited about you and your Labour friends getting into power when you are so willing to maintain the processess that are so obviously being corrupted.

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Carol Gray
October 6th, 2007

Another disgraceful decision and condoned by the Labour Party
How can you distroy 200,000 ha of forest and claim worlds best practice more and more political spin

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Mandy Proctor
October 6th, 2007

I'm infuriated by pretty much everything the Howard Government does, so this hardly came as a surprise. What disappoints me is Peter Garrett's support of this appalling decision ... although I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, he lost his credentials the moment he became a Labor party stooge. The Greens will be getting my vote this year.

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Trudie Irle
October 6th, 2007

Malcolm Turnbull - its not too late to say you were wrong, and you know that you are. Reverse this decision and be a strong leader, here is your opportunity to be a hero for Australia rather than forever the villain that destroyed Tasmania.

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Jill Kitson
October 6th, 2007

Federal Labor candidates - break ranks on this issue now, before it is too late.

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bob muntz
October 6th, 2007

An obscene corporate development.

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Leyla Moncelet
October 6th, 2007

We are donating millions of dollars to reprieve the forests of Indonesia, and condemning the forests of Tasmania to the rapacius maw ot another pulp mill. Both forests are essential in their contribution to environmental balance. Paper use like water use needs serious rethinking. In the user pays principal the Saturday SMH should cost about $17.00 Alternatively readers coul pay only for the sections they want.
That would reduce the enormous waste in this field. Packaging of all sorts should be greatly reduced in quantity. I'm no expert in Global Warming, but take my oatmeal container to the store to refill it? Ican do that!

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October 6th, 2007

I have been very concerned by this whole process. While I am not a Tamar Valley resident, I have watched with interest and growing concern at the corrupt and undemocratic processes I have witnessed. How can one business opt out of the 'umpiring' by the Tasmanian RPDC while all others must gain approval? It's like a sports team deciding that they will no longer pay attention to the umpire's whistle and will play on regardless. What would we do with that team? Disqualify them until they were willing to accept the rules for play!

I am a concerned resident of Tasmania. I am worried about the future for the environment which sustains us all and I am convinced that SUSTAINABLE development is the only way to go. Truly sustainable developments in every way - social, economic, environmental.

While I have general misgivings about a pulp mill in its proposed site, I have not yet decided it is completely unacceptable. Sadly, I feel that the RPDC who I hope act in my and all other Tasmanians' best interests in looking carefully at the complex nature of a development of this type have not been able to do their job - hence have not acted on my behalf.

I am disappointed that my elected representatives do not seem to have protected my interests either. I want development and prosperity, but not at all costs. I want my representatives to take care of my state-my home and make carefully considered decisions. I don't want plans to be hurriedly passed with regret later on.

I want my government to govern! For today and the future! Not for the next election. Perhaps I ask too much of the people with the biggest responsibility in Australia.

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bill weller
October 6th, 2007

This shows that the community and the environment once again are being shafted by both major parties and their corporate backers.As time goes on people will see that the Greens are the only alternative to the major parties and the future for our children. I feel saddened that mr Garrett has become an ALP voice piece rather than a voice for the community

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Timothy D Looker OAM
October 6th, 2007

I urge all readers to write to the ANZ Bank who are financing this monster and close their accounts. How can they lend to Gunns if they have no money?
Do you want your money involved in this?

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Peter Trapp
October 6th, 2007

Frankly I cannot understand the rationale for building the mill; unless you are the Liberal Party trying to buy votes from the loggers who are likely to be displaced from a dying industry. The future of the loggers is sad, but it doesn't justify the destruction of Tasmanian forest or the gross pollution of the ocean; requirements are one thing but compliance is quite another. How often do we hear "Sorry, we won't do it again" (and again and again) AFTER an environmental 'accident'.
Change your minds now before the damage is done.

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monica shore
October 6th, 2007

Your comment
what insanity...this is definately a case of 'greatest good for the greatest number', although the greatest number seems to imply dollars in this case...not lives. And what about the 6-8 people per year who will die as a direct result of the mill...not to mention the loss of freedom for children and the community, and the danger posed by the logging trucks etc. I'm appalled that this would be approved, when the Government is 'apparantly' finally realising the impact of climate change...or is it the impact on the hip pocket?

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Wendy Harfield
October 6th, 2007

To Liberal and Labour parties. Please wake up and listen, for once, to the voice of the people. Stop destroying the the heart and soul of this land by making decisions that will impact forever on the environment and our quality of life. Not to mention the despair that is felt when yet another pristine area of the environment is destroyed to please a corporation. Once lost we will never get it back. Wake up!!!!!

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October 6th, 2007

Did either the present Environment Minister or the putative one
read the Article by Ross Gittens in the SMH this week?
The economy is not separate from the environment or the social framework. The economy is an engine but there must be some intelligence steering the vehicle.
No biosphere - no economy. It is coming down to that both of you. Listen to the people most effected like Judith King. I am sure neither of you would be in parliament very long if logging trucks were traveling along New South Head Road constantly and you each held to the line that it was economically sound and environmentally "manageable".

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Bruce McPhate
October 6th, 2007

Peter,Peter, Peter,

For over 30 years you epitomized the values and beliefs that formed my social consciousness. Here was someone that could live the life of the rich and famous but chose to shun all this to make a real difference to people’s lives. Your action on Aboriginal rights helped make it an everyday issue, I voted for you as a candidate for Nuclear Disarmament Party, your proactive stand on conservation kindled my love for our great fauna and flora and I loved your music. Maybe all this was not really your true belief just a way to be noticed!!!! I hope not Peter.

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Iris Dunkin
October 6th, 2007

i AGREE TOTALLY WITH JUDITH KING'S ARGUMENT AND SUPPORT THE PROTEST AGAINST THIS PULP MILL. THE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE THAN RISKS CONSIDERED BY THE CHIEF SCIENTIST AND OTHERS. THE PROJECT MUST BE HALTED NOW.

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Alethea Baldwin
October 6th, 2007

Along with so many others in this blog, I am utterly against this proposal. Gunns have Tasmanian politics by the short and curlies obviously. That is not democracy. One blogger mentioned that it's time we thought about trees and their uses like we are now being forced to do about water. I couldn't agree more. It's time we thought about EVERYTHING we use, where it comes from, do we really need it and if we can't live without we PAY.

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Susan Friend
October 6th, 2007

I am so depressed about the seeming lack of concern over water use, air pollution, log truck traffic on our public roads and the loss of our wonderful forests in respect to this proposed pulp mill. Only the Greens seem to care. Labour has deserted us. We need to fight on - there should be no pulp mill in the Tamar Valley.

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Carol Stuart
October 6th, 2007

My heart aches for the people of Tasmania, the land of Tasmania, and our environment. This mill is not about a few jobs, its about making more money for the corporates once again. Surely jobs for tourism etc could be created for the 'jobs' that get thrown politicaly about. Nurturing a sustainable future for our civilisation is so urgent now.

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Frank Strie
October 6th, 2007

Hello all,
Thanks to GETUP for this communication website.
Let me start with expressing my personal feelings and that of my family, being totally disappointed with the hypocrisy demonstrated and fostered by Minister Turnbull and his Labor Shadow Peter Garrett.
Their statements in summary are just narrow, selective rhetoric, just poor and illogical thinking.
Both politicians hiding behind selective science, and the notion that they personally 'can simply not comment' on the impact on Tasmanian land and sea issues, outside the Commonwealth areas. They know full well that their selective comments and support have just worked into the greedy and ignorant hands of JohnPaul.
Peter Garrett wrote about the need to value adding to our forest estate and the maximum use of plantation timbers,... etc.
What a sad ignorant throw away line! Pure spin!
Since September 1975, I am in forestry, proper, responsible forestry that aims to value ad to our forest estate and that is about value management in our forests.
If Malcolm and Peter would be honest and committed to their own integrity, they would actually make it an effort to come down here to Tassie and spend a day with me in the forest and discuss what responsible forestry is all about.
JohnPaul's unsustainable forest conversion industry has failed over the 35 years since wooodchip export began.
They have not value added to the forest estate!
The facts are out there to see, but listening and leaning is not their strength, it is easier to look away and stop listening and just spend lots of dollars in spin-doctoring.
There are less saw and veneer logs in our forests now than 35 years ago this in quality, quantity, size and accessibility.
Tasmania has never had proper log grading and best practice marketing procedures, which is a fact.
Just compare the log marketing and log grading, harvesting and handling with that of the European Hardwood and Softwood procedures.
It suited the monopoly and duopoly positions of the bigger and richer cartels in Tasmania with fewer and fewer stakeholders.
The logging contractors and their workers that have been mistreated by the bullies for years have nothing good to say about FT and Gunns.
There are plenty and I am just as angry that the statements by former Forest Practices Prosecutor Bill Manning during the 2020 Plantation review have been ignored and forgotten.
No Malcolm and Peter, ultimately you have failed to address the truth that underpins this out of proportion ECF pulp mill.
There are true alternatives to woodchip exports, the argument that this giant world scale ECF pulpmill is the best option for Tasmania is a disgrace.
It is just old fashioned, cheap and easy ignorance to not act upon the many recommendations that others and in particular have come from myself into your offices for month now.
You have failed to ensure to explore these opportunities and free of charge offers of help.
I am angry and frustrated that I have to alert the international pulp and paper and forestry market to expose what is going on down here in Tasmania.
Like my personal friend Peter Cundall said numerous time, I will fight this greedy stinking Mill project until my last breath, no matter how JohnPaul would punish me for speaking out against stupid, destructive forest management Practices!
If you want change, proper change in forestry and best practice value adding, many more meaningful employment opportunities in responsible greenhouse gas ‘friendly’ and water catchment enhancing practices, just let me know!
Take up my offer to discuss such practices down here in the forests of North East Tasmania.
Frank Strie, FWM
Ecological Master Forester
www.frankstrie.blogspot.com
http://prosilvaireland.org/article/prosilva_australian_perspective.html
Mobile Sawmiller
President of Timber Workers for Forests Inc. www.twff.org.au
Member of FSC International
Board Member of Responsible Forest Management Australia limited, trading as FSC Australia www.fscaustralia.org

Rosevears, Tasmania

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Nicole Holland
October 6th, 2007

With the Liberals losing so many votes due to their refusal to act to protect the environment and ignore climate change, I keep hoping Labor with provide me with an alternative, especially as I spent my uni days listening to the protests of Peter Garret. However there is only one ethical and clear voice that I hear in politics, which is the GREEN party, so they will be getting my vote. The pulp mill decision confirms this.

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colin Wardrop
October 6th, 2007

I agree with Judith King. This dreadful pulp mill must be stopped. The people of Tasmania and the rest of Australia must rally to stop this new threat to our environment.

It is nothing short of criminal.

I applaud your good work and will again be voting for The Greens. I used to vote Labour. Now, who can tell the real difference between the two major parties??

Vote 1 GREENS! STOP this mill!!!!!

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Sandra Camm
October 6th, 2007

THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THIS WORLD IS BEING DESECRATED.

I am not from the Tamar area, but it is happening in Victoria and worldwide. Greed it is called.

It is hard to comprehend why any party would okay such a thing. A friend commented last night that "Gunn's have always been able to get around the Governments in some way". They speak of 3000 jobs, when most youth leave or have already left that area for outside jobs due to shortage. I don't buy this job reason, how would young people have the expertise to build a hi-tech woodchipping plant? The jobs would be for people outside Tamar area it would seem. Then would come the need for housing etc. would the infrasturcture cope?

It is ludicrous to destroy forests at any time, we end up with more dry and arid land fit for nothing but development.
Then there is the water problem - apart from unsightly buildings on natural beauty areas. - "These pollies just don't get it"

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Rachel Gregg
October 6th, 2007

I am hurt deeply. I am enraged. I am dumbfounded.

Over 20 years ago I was empowered by the words Peter Garrett bellowed out over the waves of peace protesters in the Domain in Sydney. 15 years later I soaked up his passion at talks for the protection of our National Heritage. When he joined forces with Labour I truly believed he would take the Party to where the grass was greener. What happened to the warrior for our planet, for our future generations?

I ask you Peter would you allow this environmental monster where your children slept at night?

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Murray Riches
October 6th, 2007

If one minnow is to die due to dioxins releasesd then this Mill MUST be shut down immediately!
A 25 year life span of a pulp mil MUST not override the pristine environment that will go on servicing the Tasmanian Tourist industry and its econmomy forever!!
Long term thinking Must over ride short term thinking and it's short term and unsustainable gains!!

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Clive McCann
October 6th, 2007

How naive most of you appear to be. Tasmania is notorious for its lack of environmental controls! The two major parties are only interested in winning seats in Tasmania! The only supporters of the scheme are those who expect to gain politically or financially. Governments can never be expected to stop major developments. Public action by the majority is the only way to stop destructive schemes like this.

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Manuela Epstein
October 6th, 2007

Is it correct that this mill could not go ahead without heavy government subsidy? If so why doesn't the government subsidise sustainable, non polluting industries? Who is really winning in all of this - certainly not the peolple of the Tamar Valley.

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Sarah Leighton
October 6th, 2007

I live in WA, and watch our beautiful forests reduced to logs speeding down the highway on trucks destined for decimation. Having visited Tasmania and felt the awesomeness of your forests, my heart breaks at the thought of this pulp mill. Peter Garrett, once you were my hero. I would have voted you for President of the World. Not now - you have adopted the language of spin. Please find your heart again, and see the greed in this plan. Long live the forest!

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October 6th, 2007

Shame on you Malcolm Turnbull. What confidence should we have on the independant scientists and monitoring to prevent breaches. The office of the supervising scientists (OSS)couldn't prevent the environmental breaches caused by uranium mining in the NT particularly at Ranger. Shame on you Peter Garrett, if after the election and a change of government you continue to be just a mouthpiece rather than an environmental leader you will have lost the last bit of credibility people still give you.

keep up the fight Greens and local residents. Be proud of your efforts and hope some rationality comes into play to protect our forests, our oceans, our climate and ourselves.

from another out raged Australian

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Jo McMahon-Hide
October 6th, 2007

Why has no party looked seriously at an ulternative to wood chipping, building this dinosaur anywhere seems to me a really stupid idea. We need vision and wisdom not more party politics, the future of the planet is at stake

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danny jacka
October 6th, 2007

When are Tasmanians going to be proud of being Tasmanian? When are they going to stop feeling inferior to the mainland? I believe that when Tasmanians start to feel proud of who they are and where they live - they will stand up and fight for their beautiful state....they will want it to be the most pristine, clean environment in the world. As a person brought up in Tasmania, I was lead to believe from an early age that somehow we were behind, that we lived in some backward place that nobody would want to see. At 17 I left to travel the world, and found that people were fascinated in my home state - thats when I stood up and felt proud. From that point forward, when asked where are you from? My reply - Tasmania. Never Australia....I wanted people to know I was Tasmanian.

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Diana Woodward
October 6th, 2007

In the beginning I was concerned when Peter Garrett joined the labor party, mainly because I do not have faith in the possibility for the individual to pass an aopion and stick to it. SADLY I was right. Your actions have been a complete let down on this Peter. Heed what the population of Tasmania and most of mainland Australia is saying. If there must be a pulpmill, which I doubt, then at least locate it away from the valley where it will do the worst of the worst, dmagae the scallop beds and other marine life, damage the farms and vineyards, pollute the atmosphere in general and contribute hugely to the problems ofthe environment. Make sure Malcolm Turnbull that all issues are adressed before the mill is built, not after.

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Alan Crabtree
October 6th, 2007

Shame on you Turnbull and shame on you Garrett. How could you disregard the environmental issues insisting that it will be worlds best practice to desimate more forests more waterways and more air quality merely so we can wipe our arses with three sheets instead of one and so that Maccas and their ilk can get there obscene packaging materials.

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Murray Riches
October 6th, 2007

A vote for Labor in the House of representatives is the way to go, but a vote for thet GREENS in the Senate will ensure that both a Liberal or Labor Government cannot railroad through undesirable legislation with regards Environment and Workchoices!!
Give green control of the Senate in other words, to "Keep the Bastards Honest" is the way to go.
The OLD and Tired, Mean and Tricky Howard Government MUST be Voted OUT in the National Interest!!

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Murray Riches
October 6th, 2007

A vote for Labor in the House of representatives is the way to go, but a vote for thet GREENS in the Senate will ensure that both a Liberal or Labor Government cannot railroad through undesirable legislation with regards Environment and Workchoices!!
Give green control of the Senate in other words, to "Keep the Bastards Honest" is the way to go.
The OLD and Tired, Mean and Tricky Howard Government MUST be Voted OUT in the National Interest!!

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Leonie Seedsman
October 6th, 2007

No Austrailan with a milligram of environmental awareness could possibly allow this super-pulp mill to proceed! For too long the excuse of Jobs for Tasmanians has been used, when in fact, a faster logging industry in Tasmania will create a definitive end to jobs for tasmanians in the coming generations, as there will eventually be nothing left to log! Incumbent and hopeful policitians are only focussing on the present generation, when all those that follow will be left with such limited vocational prospects into the future, once their eco-tourism options are long gone.

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Stephanie Moore
October 6th, 2007

I have just emailed the ANZ Bank stating that i do not want my money being used to support destruction of the eenvironment. I have requested that message be passed onto the new CEO Michael Smith . Michael Smith apparently has 10 Aston martins in Hong Kong, so I am not sure of his environment credentials either. Here is an address I found. I am suggesting everyone who is an ANZ customer make their views known and demand it be passed onto Michael Smith.
Paul Edwards
Head of Group Media Relations
Tel: 03-9273-6955 or 0409-655 550
Email: paul.edwards@anz.com

Also you can email Peter Garrett at his office and let him know. Lets not just leave our thoughts and comments sitting in this blog. Now is the time to collect a few friends , give them the email addresses and ALSO email your comments to these people. Not everyone knows about GetUp and though it does a terrific job, additonal action is needed.

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October 6th, 2007

It's an absolute disgrace to destroy a beautiful country-site, one I enjoyed immensely whilst traveling through recently. All for the holy dollar, but that's what the Howard government is all about, proudly boasting about a surplus at the cost of the health system and education.
Preserving the status quo of the multi-nationals and capitalist's, making the rich richer and the poor poorer!

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olly steven
October 6th, 2007

Chlorine bleaching = carcenogenic dioxins = not world best practice.

http://www.wrm.org.uy/bulletin/83/scenario.html

Perhaps Peter Garret needs a refresher on Dr Seuss's THE LORAX, the morals of which would be completely lost by Malcolm Turnbull, who will be joining John Howard at the local Centrelink branch post election defeat.

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Andreas Wagner
October 6th, 2007

Greed and corruption.

Nothing short of a Royal Commission into this sordid saga and into Tasmania's forestry in general will do!

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Pat Wundersitz
October 6th, 2007

I lived at Hillwood in the 80's. Some uni students were exploring the fallout of the aluminium smelter at Bell Bay, for the affect on the hooves of animals, which seemed to grow very rapidly. Do not know outcome of that study. I know the trees were damaged on the windward side of the hills. I remember the fogs which lasted until 11 a.m.
Big concern - how much are Gunns paying for the rights to the timber. I suspect fire sale prices, for priceless asset.
Remember the accountant from Riverside, who took off with the Gunn womens' funds, which he was channelling past the tax office, on their behalf? He took refuge in Boston, If I recall. Another example of poor corporate citizenship.

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Albert White
October 6th, 2007

Trees

I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.

A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the sweet earth's flowing breast;

A tree that looks at God all day
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;

A tree that may in summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;

Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain.

Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree

(Joyce Kilmer American poet 1886-1918)

The lesser Gods - Malcolm Turnbull and Peter Garrett can only make toilet paper, babies nappies, tissues, junk mail and numerous bits of paper which would could all do without if we took climate change and our environment more seriously.

Why am I so sad today? What I took for granted in my childhood - the Australian bush - is being destroyed by greed and aspirational consumerism. The experience of sitting alone in the bush, the sweet smell, the shafts of sunlight, the hum of insects and calling of birds can never be matched by all the money in the world nor the softest toilet paper imaginable.

Wake up Peter Garrett - go and camp there again and then come back and say it's okay. I dare you.

PS I won't be voting for Labor if you keep on this spineless path and choose to ignore those of us who are completely depressed and alienated by the crass, downill insanity of our present political environment.

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Cynthia Christian
October 6th, 2007

According to the press the mill be allowed to be built while modelling is done on the effluent. Commissioning will not be allowed if the modelling does not come up to expectations. What a joke!!
As a Tasmanian what is extremely worrying is the timber source. Already marvellous farmland is being taken over by plantations. Gunns bought land in the far North-east supposedly for a vineyard - but then found it unsuitable! But it is suitable for plantation timber. Are the woodchips going to be value added or will woodchipping go on uninterrupted?? Once the juggernaut starts nothing is going to stop it. Tasmania will never be the same again. Clean green - what a joke!

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roslyn scott
October 6th, 2007

Having lived in Tasmania and moved there because of the environment, I feel really sad and frustrated, still, in the lack of forethought and caring for the amazing natural environment. There are many who care and unfortunately many Tasmanians who don't. Mention jobs and the environment will come last.
Shame on the politicians involved. Shame on the capitalists who are wanting more than they already have, how much do you need and want anyway? I once believed Malcolm Turnbull was a hopeful, not now.I once believed Peter Garret was a hopeful, i know now he is white, male and like all the rest.
Did I hear labour was the opposition?

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prabhuta
October 6th, 2007

Yes I understand how desperate the situation is,and really in the wrong location.Please keep me informed of anything i can do to change this outcome. I have already been sending letters and emails to politicians. Stay positive! Enough of us can change the situation.

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Alison Hewitt
October 6th, 2007

So Garrett has sold out over the mill....how very sad.
Turnbull is just in league with those who stand to profit.
Poor beautiful Tasmania, trashed again.

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Alex Wood
October 6th, 2007

Chlorine bleaching is not world best practice, if Sweden can do it without chlorine, so should Australia.
Having read "Forest Wars" by Judith Ajani, also following news info., it seems most wood will no longer be old growth forest wood to be pulped, but plantation wood, admittedly by Gunn's having bought out many plantations. Thus Christine Milne may be misleading.
Tasmania needs jobs, but Tamar Valley may be less than ideal location, but is the info re inversion climate pocket applicable to this area of Tamar? It seems close to Bass Strait. The effluent is far more of concern, especially if chlorine involved, leading to dioxins, it would appear.
Is pulp only the answer, or should we not be going further to make higher class paper and creating value added product to help Australia's export/import imbalance of trade? Not enough detailed thought, it would seem to me.

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William Douglas
October 6th, 2007

Turnbull's expedient decision on the pulpmill, which ignores the devastation of the timber supply part of the equation, was never going to be a surprise. What is a surprise is how much Peter Garratt, someone I had long admired, has been compromised by the Labor party. His is a bastard of a decision, and denigrates every good thing he has ever said or sung about. What's that smell? The smell of hypocrisy mingling with the stench of burning Midnight Oil. How do the other members of that once iconic Australian band feel about Garratt's betrayal? As for Labor, it is now, finally, indistinguishable from the Coalition. A pox on both their houses!

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matt fawkner
October 6th, 2007

shame! shame! shame!

this is a precedent setting decision that results in a pox on both our houses

thanks to the greens for their efforts

may turnbull lose and garrett return to his roots!!!

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Camilla Stevens
October 6th, 2007

I can't reconcile that after all the latest scientific facts regarding global warming and its associated problems for our environment with the decision to proceed with this mill. When are we going to learn. I feel devasted for the people of the Tamar valley. They should be able to have control over where they live.
A message to Peter Garret - why did you ever join a political party- from a potent enviro warrior to a toothless (nearly excinct) tiger. Shame Shame Shame Mr Garrett

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Mary Lijnzaad
October 6th, 2007

Your comment I liked Albert quoting Kilmer. her words were paraphrased by another American poet Ogden Nash - I'd like to paraphrase his version:

I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree
Indeed unless the pulp mill stalls
I'll never see a tree at all

Maybe Peter Garrett could do an edit? I'm sure we could get 'short memory' in there somewhere.

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liz grant
October 6th, 2007

Well said Alan Goldstein. However what worries me most is the slide from democracy (so Called!) into a dictatorship led by John Howard over the years of his prime ministership. I am appalled at the total lack of interest this government has shown for the desires of the people, such as the Iraq War, children overboard fiasco, work relations etc. and now the pulp mill. And as for Peter Garrett - well! Power corrupts.

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Pamela Hayes
October 6th, 2007

We could say that Peter Garrett has sold out on the environmantal values that he used to uphold so passionately. I think that once one gets into politics, especially the politics of the old conservative style (ie Labor and 'Liberal'), that person must make some adjustments in order to keep that job and have at least a little input into decisions that are made. I desperately hope, for all our sakes, and especially the sake of the environment that supports us, that Peter will be able to undo some of the damage that has been done over the past eleven years, and dilute any further harm that comes from decisions made in parliament house that are made solely for their precious economy without any thought of the long term future.

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Christopher Monie
October 6th, 2007

Has any on else noticed that in Pollie-speak the phrase 'Let me be really clear' means either "let me piss on you from a great height, you dumb idiots" or "I am about to obfuscate in the hope of pissing on you from a great height, you dumb idiots".
One of Howard's favorite phrases, learnt from Hawke, and passed on to Garrett [ see his contribution to this blog]. Cheers.

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MaureenhHummerston
October 6th, 2007

I share your concerns, Christine and Judith and those people of Tassie who can see the dangers and damage that this mill will do.

Some years ago a friend and I drove around your beautiful Island and were appalled to see the damage caused to the forests by logging and the obvious efforts made by the logging industry to leave "screens" of trees to hide the devastated landscape from travellers. I also wonder if there is any connection with this industry and the terrible cancers you poor little Devils suffer.

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John Tozer
October 6th, 2007

There seems to be a lot of disingenuous commentry by both the major parties in their efforts to win political support for the establishment of the Tamar Valley Pulp Mill. The "Chief" scientist had his legs and arms tied by deliberatly limiting the terms of reference of his enquiry.
Thanks Mr Turnbull ! No thanks to Labour for not picking up on this . Both Coalition and Labour are happy for the matter of native forest sustainability to be swept under the Kirribilli carpets !
The Greens have my vote and I presume many many of those who really care....

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Darryl Perrett
October 6th, 2007

Malcolm Turnbull, you are a lot of bull! Firstly, the narrow confines of the Peacock enquiry excluded almost everything bad about the proposed mill excepting for a couple of items, and putting 48 restrictions on those narrow segments does absolutely nothing for the Tamar Environment. Excluding all other issues may have made your job easier (and you were always going to aprove the Mill, Howard said so!) but does nothing for your credibility, which is ZERO!
Secondly, Mr. Peacock has proved many times over his tenure that he was a canny choice for John Howard, as he has NEVER blocked any 'development' OK'd by Howard. He is adamanatly pro-uranium, pro- development, no matter what. he also, was never going to o anything to stop the Gunns Mill. I assume that he is still on the payroll of a major mineral developer. Credibility -ZERO!
Peter Garrett, one has to wonder how you sleep at night, having thrown away every moral and ethical bone in your body, turned to become a jellyfish, in the name of kow-towing to Rudd!
Mr. Me-Too Rudd is becoming utterly boring, but nothing better was ever expected of him, by me anyway. But for you, after all those years of action and voice and song agains the rape and pillage of our forests and lands by developers, to turn into a pro-developer, slash the old growth forests, environment destroying Gunns supporter has shocked me to the core. I know the allure of power and money is great, and I suppose you are getting on for retirement age, but this action of yours is about as low as anyong can go.
Your credibility forever now....ZERO! Do you really think you could now possibly be appointed Environment Minister? Who is going to believe a word you ever say? You have killed your own ambition.
Folks, the actions to STOP this abomination, so avidly wanted by Gunns, the Tasmanian Government and so-called Opposition, the Forestry Destruction Industries, the Federal Howard Government and it would seem, the Rudd Opposition must continue, until such time as any thought of building such a thing in the Tamar Valley, or anywhere where it destroyed old growth forests and the environment, would make the people thinking it sink into the ground on the spot.
The absolute insanity of such a development at this time of Human Caused Global Warming causing Massive Climate Change is almost beyond belief. How many of these people have their heads buried up to the neck in sand?

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Maureen Gardener
October 6th, 2007

I think it is appalling that the Federal Government have approved the pulp mill in Tasmania. Given the global concern for climate change the establishment of this mill is blatant hypocrisy by the federal government.

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October 6th, 2007

Like wars the fight to save our environment will never end when the major political parties hide behind the "Jobs" factor to support their hidden agenda which is to allow corporations to take over government decision making and kill native species and our natural environment.

Since social impart studies are never researched by the major parties they only look partially at a token scientific assessment of any project.

Both parties are more than a decade behind in policies to "protect" the environment and recognise the impact their neglect is having on climate change. They are blinded by profit and economic gains at all costs.

" Civilisation exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice. " Will Durant Historian.

The present climatic situation has been created and exasperated by Gunns and Governments' failure to take note of the impending situation they are imposing on the whole world. It is not caused by just ignorance but by GREED.

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don pinkerton
October 6th, 2007

This is a disastrous decision. Doesn't our current government get the message about the global warming and climate change. They are playing lip service only to the problem. The way we are going there will be no beautiful Tasmania, or anywhere else for that matter, for future generations.

It would seem that Tasmania's future lies with tourism. One need look no further than New Zealand and what they have achieved in that area. With proper financial support from Federal and Tasmanian governments there must be a wonderful future for the tourist industry in Tasmania. It has a magnificent environment; let's not destro it.

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frank hayles
October 6th, 2007

is this the same minister who announced that you coud not run baseload power plants with renewebels .only it seems that these plants are allready under construction in the u.s.a so why would i belive antything he says?

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ted davis
October 6th, 2007

Your comment We must work now to save our planet from rampant consumerism

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Suzy Manigian
October 6th, 2007

If you are struggling to understand the pulp mill issue and how such a destructive proposal can be given approval when it has so many negatives against it, then you must be a mainlander. The people of mainland Australia have no idea of the institutional corruption that afflicts all levels of government in Tasmania; it's hard to describe the nepotism, bureacratic bullying, scientific muzzling, blatant lying, captured media and parochialism of the 'huge-infrastructure' cargo-cult establishment without non-Tasmanians thinking you're overstating the case. The kleptocrats are confident and smug because they think their seats in Parliament are safe due to their bipartizan solidarity. Tasmania is not "your Natural State" because of enlightened environmentalist policies - scale and isolation meant the resource miners just hadn't got around to doing it over completely ... yet. If this mill goes ahead, you can kiss the "natural" state goodbye.

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William Jennings
October 6th, 2007

As a person who usually votes Labor I am disappointed that Garrett has swung behind the Government on this matter. I appreciate, though, the pressures on Garrett, while not endorsing them.
In my view, the priority is getting rid of the most dishonest government in our history. This is a throw-away line of course - lots of bloggers and others toss such epithets as dishonest around - but I truly believe it suitable for Howard's rule. I am dismayed that the pulp mill has been approved, but the priority is to "get Howard out", then have a more honest politician / PM clean up the mess.

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Jane Hildebran
October 6th, 2007

Many mainland Australians support Tasmanians who object to the Gunns pulp mill. So this is a national election issue. What Minister Turnbull has failed to consider is that the environmental impacts extend not just to marine ecosystems but also to the terrestrial forest ecosystems. So even if the pulp mill were to equal (which it won't) or exceed World's Best Practice (whatever that means), it will still be destroying our forest ecosystems and polluting our atmosphere. [Note: the EPBC Act empowers the Minister to protect World Heritage property and values]. Nor has the Minister considered the mill's contribution to greenhouse gas emissions. [See Massachusetts v EPA]. Anyway you look at it, Gunns is a polluter and destroyer of our precious ecosystems. Tasmania is rapidly losing its 'clean/green' image with consequent damage to its tourism industry. Gunns pulp mill joins the other Tasmanian icon - the Queenstown moonscape. It is extremely short-sighted for politicians of all persuasions to protect a few 'dinosaur' jobs. Have the Unions forgotten their 'green bans' of the 60's and 70's?

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Heather DONALDSON
October 6th, 2007

I was hoping we could avoid the bulldozers and Risdon prison, but seems like that's our fate. We cannot just stand by and watch them build the world's biggest pulp mill in paradise.
Sorry you might lose your whole career over this, Malcolm, but you must already know that. You had a choice and you blew it.
And Peter, do you really think people voted you in because you could sing? You've lost your voice - and our respect.
Poor Tasmania ! It seems like we spend our lives fighting to preserve this beautiful place - from greed and short term political games.
Thanks to all those good people who care about this fragile planet. I hope the beds in Risdon are comfortable !

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Of None
October 6th, 2007

Let's put aside the emotion surrounding the mill and the fact that the company, Gunns Ltd has an unenviable reputation wrt the environment and the democratic process in Tassie (a former Chairman was gaoled for atempting to bribe a Member of the Tasmanian Parliament).

Let's just look at the facts-
Is there a market for the paper products it will generate? Yes, there is and not the least because all the political parties, including the Greens are about to turn small forests into election advertising material.
Is the mill itself world's best practice? It seems scientific opinion would support that claim.
Is it in the right place? As a resident of Kangaroo Valley, NSW I experience a temperature inversion on most mornings. If there were a paper mill or similar in my valley then the pollution would hang like the proverbial, and literal, bad smell. So NO, the Tamar valley is the WRONG place to build the mill.
Solution to the problem; build it somewhere else.

All the political parties have whimpped it on this issue. Liberal and Labor have caved in to Gunns and each other and the Greens to their 'no development is good development' constituency.

Of The Above None, Independent candidate for Gilmore.
more common sense at www.noneoftheabove.com.au

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william Falla
October 6th, 2007

Why is it that we continue to be so near sighted about the environment. We are like a drug addicts that only looks that to the pick fix. With out any reguard for the long term impact. The proposed pulp mill in Tasmania will create jobs and economic growth for the area in which it will be created, short term and short sighted growth, but what will the long term impact be. Mr Turnball states that his decision is based on science and that the mill will be environmently neutral that there will be no long term problems. Does he really think the Australian public is that stupid? How can the destruction of 200000ha of forrest be evironmentally neutral? How can the production of greenhouse gases be environmently neutral? How can the waste products from this mill being pumped into Bass Straight and atmosphere be environmently neutral? How can the production of Dioxins into the environment be environmently neutral? When by difinition dioxins are members of the family of halogenated organic compounds which have been shown to bioaccumulate in humans and wildlife due to their lipophilic properties, and are known teratogens, mutagens, and suspected human carcinogens. How can any of this be environmently neutral?
At a time when SCIENCE is telling us that if we don't do something now to slow our impact we are having on the environment there will be massive changes to our climate that will make many areas of our planet inhabitable. SCIENCE is telling us this and yet we continue inject like a heroin addict, without any thought to the future and long term problems that we are creating for ourselves.
We all live on this beautiful planet and what we do affects us all. We can no longer think in an us and them mentality, it is all us. If in fifty years we don't want our children and grandchildren to ask us why we did nothing? We have to act now. Or is that those making the decisions truly don't care for our future. They will not be alive or if they are they will have enough MONEY to not be as affected by the changes. But there will come a day when we realise that we can't eat, breath or drink MONEY.

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October 6th, 2007

This is such a short term decision, to the benefit of one rapacious company. If this government is really serious about jobs and market forces they would see the real long term potential and benefit in making Tasmania a model of a clean, green source of produce and a tourist destination second to none. When awareness and the market for these things is growing so rapidly around the world, why on earth choose to go backwards?
As for Peter Garret, he should be ashamed of himself.

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Gregory Olsen
October 6th, 2007

I am disgusted that the Gunns' Tamar Valley pulp mill has been approved! I don't care that "the number of conditions has now been doubled to 48" as Malcolm Turnbull proudly proclaims. It is still wrong.

"World's best practise", a term also bandied about by the Dishonourable Mr Turnbull when he describes the mill, is a total sham. As Senator Christine Milne of the Greens wrote, how can so much toxic waste and destruction be anything but wrong. I suppose one could see it as world's best practise in hoodwinking a population and cowering to shortsighted vested interests.

When will this federal government, indeed all elected bodies, get the message. Australians want sustainable development aimed at improving our lives and our environment NOT destroying them.

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Patsie Frawley
October 6th, 2007

Shame Labor. Instead of using words like "world best practice" Mr Garrett, how about some truth. Where is the timber going to come from? How can a pulp mill balance environmental concerns and climate change issues when it will be polluting, adding greenhouse gases and using Australian timber (nobody has mentioned how much timber and where it will be coming from)for woodchips. What exactly would a Labor government do about this? Looks like nothing only stand by and watch it pollute. Stringent environmental guidelines!!! How much pollution is too much pollution and how much water use is too much water use and how many trees are too many trees to be grown just so they can be pulped?
How can you sleep while your principles are turning?

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Brian Miller
October 6th, 2007

It's a fine line between jobs vs the environment. There is probably even a greater emphasis considering the limited employment opportunities and pristine conditions of Tassie to be considered here.

Everybody says why don't we make things here in Australia and not overseas, woodchips come to mind. So here's an opportunity to build paper where the raw material is located. Yet from all accounts the Tamar Valley is a rich food bowl, hence to help the locals out, so why isn't the mill some 100 kms down the road ?

Don't really like what the Governments have done about the process and it's sad that the recent study wasn't broader in it's effects associated with the community, tourism and the environment. Good that the standards have been tightened and 48 conditions are now imposed.

Lets not forget the impact on plants, wildlife and the long term environmental effects associated with logging. The next generation is going to enjoy (not) a much warmer climate than we have now. Can we as a society allow the biggest mill in Australia to be built, or should many trees be left in the ground to start the fightback on behalf of the environment. Also, how long ago was the Franklin dam protest, shouldn't there only be plantation wood taken now, considering thats probably close to 2 generations ago ?

Lets also not forget that whenever governments and corporations have reports done for them, have they ever completed all of the recommendations imposed, there probably also likely to water down each item to suit themselves, or totally ignore the report anyway.

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Adam Futeran
October 6th, 2007

This decision changes everything. It will affect the way we vote in the upcoming federal election. We sincerely hope the Labor party realises the gravity of its decision.

Some things still matter in Australia. We're not stupid. We're mad as hell! Our Tasmania needs help to escape further plundering by filthy, greedy mega-industry and its lap-dog politicians.

Book your removalists Malcolm & Peter-election day is approaching!

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Suzanne Don Leonard
October 6th, 2007

If we let this distruction take place how will we ever have the right to advocate on behalf of the forests and the people of the forests of Indonesia, the Amazon or any other primary forests???.

We have the opportunity to be leaders and set an example to the world by caring for this beautiful natural resource and not distroy it for the sake of a few and short term financial gain. There are other options for employment that the funds can be better used for to build on this natural resource that will have far more long term benefits.

Peter Garratt you have been a hero of mine for many decades and your action in this regard has caused me to lose my faith in you and distroyed the pedestal I had put you on. I thought you were made of better stuff.

I cannot believe that we will have any guarantee that the the native fauna and flora will not be distroyed forever, the land will not be irroded, the water ways will not be contaminated and the air not polluted.

Wake up!! before it is too late. What you are proposing to do will not be able to be undone once you have acted and you will go down in history as short thinking, greedy and cowardly and certainly not have the hero status you have thrived on for so long. STOP IT!!!

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Glenda Winsen
October 6th, 2007

I have travelled in the Tamar Valley area - we don't need this Mill because it will destroy the environment.

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Matthew Walker
October 6th, 2007

The problem with the blogs above is that they do not provide any hard facts about the proposals for the pulp mill, other than the inversion issue.

Perhaps Getup could summarise the key facts to help with this discussion as the "expert" opinions are lacking.

Hard to form a balanced view when the pros and cons are not clearly established.

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Anne Zimmer
October 6th, 2007

This is the game of politics at it's very worst.
Together with the original owners of our wild and beautiful country, we know the importance of living with the land and treasuring it. Nature assures us that we have every thing we need within it to live a happy and healthy life.This is it's gift and everlasting promise.It will support us if it can, but when we destroy so much it is weakened. To build this mill is an outdated decision to destroy this precious environment for money. Many people in many professions have had to retrain and leave their original profession. Ask hundreds of coal miners, farmers, manufacturing workers. Although hard, they have accepted this and got on with their lives. Why are loggers so different? To keep nature's gift alive for future generations is our responsibility as a nation.

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frank luff
October 6th, 2007

I don't know Tassie!
I understand an alternative site to be Bells Bay?
There I also understand there are well developed infrastructure for such a mill, and little opposition.
What are the drawbacks to this site that concern gunns?
fluff4

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Rod McClure JP
October 6th, 2007

Short sighted political expedience to make his way to the prime ministerial selection by the Minister for the Environment is so blatantly obvious and so really "one the nose" just so out of his mammon driven personal vision.
To destroy a completely natural environmental eco system is flagrant abuse and tantamount to insanity grand.Never to return with mono cultural plantings, so species lost in time. Comparable with the complexity of systems within the body of man, forests too have entire interrelated eco systems, evolved since time began with such complimentary sensitivity, sustainable, in cyclical balance of micro flora and fauna unknown, unseen, never considered as relevant or as a breath to fundamental bankers and greedy egocentric politically driven, patriarchal sterile minded men.
Men forever craving any arousal of primal genital power since their first orgasm.

People power saved the Franklin river from being dammed and now we will be back again to bring some sanity to Tasmania’s most precious, sustainable, freely renewable resource to be promoted to the world, natural as it is before the political wobblers convert trees to gambling chips, for more buying power in the lower house of prime ministerial men.

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P Klavins
October 6th, 2007

GOOOOOOOOooo ALL of YOU, Really GET UP Them Malcom, Peter, Christine !! This plan is absolutely proposterous and sacralige what they are doing. Money can NEVER buy what this sacred piece of earth and its contents means to our generations to come and the future. They need to get their priorities right !
Howard's way with Broken promises, lies and more lies need to be stopped . NOW !!

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Maggie Williams
October 6th, 2007

This is wrong. Turnbull, Garrett et al - stop talking: start listening, look around, smell, feel. Take a flight in a 2 seater Cessna over Tas - looks like it has the mange, hey? Take a stroll through Mildura farms and vineyards - dead and dry after an alleged winter. And so on, in countless & increasing urban, suburban and rural settings. We cannot afford your moneyspeak. Do you get it? Not one more destructive, polluting, energy guzzling enterprise. From now on, consider only regenerative, eco-sustainable, humanitarian and environmentally additive projects: or there is no future.

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Glen Charlier
October 6th, 2007

CHECK OUT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btePjTYkiKs

The last 1 min shows that the scientific impact investigation turnbull is quoting doesn't mention the impact to climate change from the CO2 from burning off waste or the impact to wildlife in the area.
110 000 000 tonnes of CO2 or equivalent to 80 years of all cars, trucks & busses on all of tasmania's roads will be made from burning off waste.

Gunn's rushed their proposal through the Tasmanian State govenment without a scientific impact study???. It seems they have got it through the liberal federal government somehow too (paid???).

Peter Garrett can't say what he would like to as labor wants the votes from the pulp mill workers.

Both liberal and labour ministers are trying to convince the Australian voter that everything is ok they have done a scientific investigation.

please take 10min and watch the video above.

(the full 15min video also explains the ridiculous business deal Gunn's will have with the Government to cover losses if world pulp prices drop.)

Somehow we need to let more of Australia know the truths about this mill as both the major parties want it quietly forgotten.

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Tricia Byrne
October 6th, 2007

I don't believe there is sufficient reason to build this mill. It will destroy the environment in the long run for very little gain to the world (except for the pockets of a few individuals).

I want the two main political parties to have a more long term view for Australia and stop the Mill altogether.

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Caitlyn McLoughlin
October 6th, 2007

The building of this pulp mill in the Tamar Valley is just another demostration to me of how OLD, UNIMAGATIVE & OUTDATED the thinking is in politics and business. Who in their right mind, with an understanding of climate change, sustainability and economics could think that a pulp mill is a business for and of the future. This issue clearly shows to the world that Tasmania now at the centre of the great divide between old and new thinking in culture, business and politics. So we all need to stay strong because the fight against the Pulp Mill is now a fight for the healthy, sustainable future!!!!

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Liz ODwyer
October 6th, 2007

A result like this is to be expected from Howard's lackey Turnbull and he will probably lose his seat, however Garrett has sold out any principles he ever had and is now a joke.
This country desperately needs a viable alternative political pary in opposition to the twins Liberal and Labor.

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Matthew Hughes
October 6th, 2007

How can you sleep if the mills are polluting

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Tricia Byrne
October 6th, 2007

I would rather see the Government spent the $2 mill. on Indigenous health rather than wasting it on a self serving, short sighted political campain.

You have failed your electorate Turnbull and the general public of Australia.

You'll see soon how Australians feel about this!

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October 6th, 2007

Two politicians Mr Turnbull and Mr Garrett, both of whom I believed to be honestly trying to serve the people, are now appearing to be swayed by the need for power so early in their careers. How very sad

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norman archibald
October 6th, 2007

Both the Liberal and Labor party have lost my vote because of their support for such a vile enterprise as a pulp mill in the beautiful Tamar Valley.
Paul Lennon stated on Kerry O`brien`s show on TV the other night that there would`nt be any old growth forest timber used in the mill, what utter bulldust. They could never grow trees fast enough to satisfy the appetite of a mill of such proportions.

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karin geiselhart
October 6th, 2007

The approval of this pulp mill is yet another reminder that our democracy is not working well. A good dose of Green elected officials could move us towards more responsive and sustainable policies. The first 'renovation' might be on environmental accountability, with Commonwealth/State relations that consider the biggest picture: survival on our continent. It is too late for anything less.

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Diane Davie
October 6th, 2007

With 200,000 hectares of Tasmania's native forest to be destroyed every year by the pulp mill, employees only have short term job security anyway. The forests are not an infinite commodity. At that point Gunns will walk away richer and the employees left unemployed. If the major parties are so beholden to corporations that they are unable to act then the enlightened residents of Australia must lead the way before it's too late.

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carole hayes
October 6th, 2007

All the safeguards in the world are worth nothing once this mill is up and running. It is up to the people now to stop this mill. As Minister for the Environment Malcolm Turnbull has failed the Tasmanian people. And the Federal Oppositon has given the Greens the opportunity to hold the balance of power once more.

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Rob Green
October 6th, 2007

We need to stop the out of control governments of Australia from destroying our planet for their own greed!!!!!

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nick gill
October 6th, 2007

The wellbeing of this planet,for us and future generations, is far too important to be left in the hands of such narrowminded,visionless,greedy and self seeking politicians who have voted for this pulp mill.In a world desperate for help, their actions are unsustainable! The pulp mill issue was totally corrupted when Paul Lennon bypassed proper democratic process to appease Gunns. Blatant corruption!
If the mill ever operates,I suspect that no amount of environmental scrutiny will ever shut it down. Corrupted politicians will fudge facts and lean on authorities. They'll use the old "jobs will be lost" argument, and any other lie to keep it open.

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October 6th, 2007

I find the entire political scene very distressing. It seems to be governed by the polls and hunger for power.

I find no gratification in published statements by either party as it is full of rhetoric and half truths.

I understand that the jobs of politicians are difficult and there are always two sides to every story but I think there underlying principles of our leading parties are in dire need of review.

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Karen Damiani
October 6th, 2007

Peter you were a glimmer of hope as someone who wasnt scared to be a different and a real voice to encourage debate and balance in a potentially sad same government. I'm not a radical environmentalist, I'm just a mum who's worried about the future world we are leaving for our children. I'm so tired of paternal government, being told what to think, being flooded with controlled information from government and biased media while seeing the sad human and environmental impact of this government. That glimmer of hope is gone now.

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Kylie Rogers
October 6th, 2007

Perhaps Mr Turnbull has forgotten to mention that the "world's best practice" he mentions is the 'best practice' of the 50's & 60's - not the type of practice that is suited to a world now educated (and greatly concerned) about sustainability. Perhaps it's about time our politicians started thinking less about the econonmy and their precious business interests and looked instead to helping sustain our environment for their children and grandchildren.

This pulp mill may create 2000 jobs, but how many residents of the Tamar Valley and the businesses they deal with will lose their livelihood in the process?

Mr Garrett - I understand the need for you to align yourself to your party and any decision they make in relation to the environment, however, I pray that you are at least making waves behind closed doors. The roar that we once heard from you has indeed become a whisper. Maybe Mr Rudd needs to know that constituents like myself who were faithfully lining up to vote for a renewed Labour party are now voting Green. Go Christine!!!

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Diana Simpson
October 6th, 2007

It seems to me that once again the people on the spot are not being listened to and that government is making science support their ideas. How often has this happened under the current government and how often have we heard of paid scientists and reports? I am very disappointed in Peter Garrett, but he can redeem hismself once the ALP win the election - I hope he will!

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Bjorn Wallin
October 6th, 2007

I think the harsh critisism of Peter Garret is unwarranted. He is in a very awkward position, especially condsidering what happened in the 2004 election in Tassie.

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Christopher Monie
October 6th, 2007

Bjorn Wallin. Is it harsh to accuse a man of putting power ahead of principle, and himself ahead of the community to which he belongs??

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Andrew McCabe
October 6th, 2007

I think what politicians in this country need to be reminded they are the ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE. They need to be reminded of this every day. And though we can see them behaving as they do as if already they have been bought and sold by the Corporatocracy, we don't vote for the Corporate world.
Is no one suprised that the pulp mill was approved?
No one is. No one was going to be suprised.
And politicians in this country wonder why they are held in contempt by the electorate and regarded with cynicism, suspicion and dislike. Bring on the election. Lets see the smugness then.

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Cathryn Chamley
October 6th, 2007

I was raised on the NW coast of Tasmania, in the shadow of the pulp and paper mill in Burnie, and experienced the pollution caused by that mill, and by the Tioxide factory. This causes me to have absolutely no confidence in the ability or willingness of the Tasmanian government to police any conditions placed on the mill.

I have lived in Launceston, and experienced the 'air inversion effect'. I've also seen how much it's improved since the council's efforts to reduce wood heaters. The statistics for asthma sufferers in Launceston are already frightening. I am sceptical about how the mill will improve the life of the residents of the Tamar valley.

It would be much easier to believe the politicians claims that they will hold Gunns to account if they had shown the courage to force Gunns to use the chlorine-free process they originally proposed (but later dropped for financial reasons).

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Stuart Drewer
October 6th, 2007

Christopher, Bjorn is 100% right. The voters of northern Tasmania sent Labor a very clear message at the last election when they gleefully switched to John Howard. We need to appeal to them, rather than the politicians.

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Jamie Crickmay
October 6th, 2007

Your comment I feel so sad about the brotherhood between business and government in our country. This partnership can produce wonders but seems more likely to produce only power and money for the few.

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Alex Leach
October 6th, 2007

If the planet is to be saved then NO trees should be consumed. However that would be unrealistic. If humanity insists on the use of paper in the form of newspapers, magazenes, computer printouts, etc. then there needs to be pulp mills somewhere. This inevitably contributes to global warming. Planet Earth needs more vegitation, not less, so to a large extent the choice is simple. Either we conserve vegitation and photosynthesis, which is natures way of fixing carbon, or we invent our own substitute carbon fixing arrangements. Of course there is a third option, if we all stop breathing, eating and anything else that requires the use and production of energy, then global warming might be avoided.It is now obvious that human resources need to be directed to finding a way to reproduce photosynthesis, which will remove carbon from the atmosphere. This will then enable cheep production of one of the strongest materials, namely carbon fibre. Removing what is left of our native forests must be stopped NOW, as this is the last refuge of many of our fellow inhabitants of this place we call home. I believe that Gunns proposal is very short sighted, however some jobs will be provided in the short term, which must be a consideration. Perhaps the proffits from this mill could be directed to research into carbon fixing out of the atmosphere.

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Dr William Conway
October 6th, 2007

I think the pulp mill is a disaster. How can I help to stop it?

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Barbara Morrison
October 6th, 2007

Tasmania should be renamed Gunn's Island.








































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John Frois
October 6th, 2007

The approval of the Gunns woodchipping mill is once again
a victory of the almighty dollar over common sense. Greed, selfishness and shortsightedness have won the day yet again.
Despite all the awareness campaigns to care for our environment its destruction continues relentlessly.
History will not be kind to you Mr. Turnbull and your fellow cohorts such as Peter Garrett, who has sold his soul

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Pete Whetton
October 6th, 2007

This will be an issue that comes back to bite both the Libs and Labor I hope that Turnbulls elecrate makes him pay the price of this decision and sadly as an ALP member I think our environment credentials are shattered.

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Maureen and Norman Webb
October 6th, 2007

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48 Conditions? Did I hear 48 conditions?
Just goes to show the environmental impact Gunns mill is going to have. I have no respect for the Federal Govt or their ability to monitor the development. Will they say "Whoops, we made a mistake" when the pollution occurs?
There should have been a stop put on this proposal, havent they heard about the "Precautionary Principle" and whats going on in this world. Hear this Labor and forestry workers -"NO JOBS ON A DEAD PLANET"

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October 6th, 2007

I am not convinced that this mill is "the worlds best practice" in pulping. The amount of tainted water released daily into the Tasman sea really frightens me. From what I have read there I understand that there are other mills operating in Europe which are more enviromentally friendly. Why are we choosing a mill which is not up to the same standard?

I know the liberals and the labour party are compromised by their concern with the election but that should not mean they cannot insist on the best technology.

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Ali Lamshed
October 6th, 2007

Why do we continue to "trust" big business. The record of big business enterprises throughout history is not that good and yet we continue to believe what they "Say" they will do! Their bottom line is the profit margin and they would sell their grandmother's grave for the sake of profit. I do NOT believe that they will run an environmentally sustainable operation and follow any regulations/rules/laws etc set down by the government. If the Vic government can penalise the Casino in Melbourne to the tune of $15,000 for rigging their card games, what do you think the Federal Govt would set as a "penalty" if Gunns breach any of the regulations!

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Robin Harrison
October 6th, 2007

Your comment Of course it's legal, the politicians make the laws. That doesn't stop it being thoroughly corrupt. Money and power are all that's important to those politicians in favour of the mill. Shame, shame, shame.

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David Pritchard
October 6th, 2007

Senator Christine Milne does not quite get (or make) the critical point in asking "how can (this) mill ...... be worlds best practice?" Let's just concede that it IS, then the far more pertinent debate is that worlds best practice results in such environmental and habitat destruction, pollution, threat to health and safety and such emotional and psychological harm to surroundng population that it (that is, worlds best practice) must be totally rejected.

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Brenda Finegan
October 6th, 2007

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When are politicians going to understand that we are not interested in greed and wealth creation. We are interested in sustaining an already vulnerable planet and saving it from extinction.
This is another example of Howard's ignorance and denial regarding Climate Change. He will be dead in the next 30 years so won't have to deal with the problems then. We will be left to clean up the mess.
Such short sighted Politicians spin doctoring again. Both Labor and Liberal!!!!!!

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Diane Davie
October 6th, 2007

With 200,000 hectares of Tasmania's native forest to be destroyed every year by the pulp mill, employees only have short term job security anyway. The forests are not an infinite commodity. At that point Gunns will walk away richer and the employees left unemployed. If the major parties are so beholden to corporations that they are unable to act then the enlightened residents of Australia must lead the way before it's too late.

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Jane Hudson
October 6th, 2007

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I simply can't believe it and am almost lost for words. What seems to make it even worse is that Peter Garrett is saying the Labour Party support the decision so there really is no difference between our two major political parties...another vote goes to the Greens...we have to find a way to stop this rampant, myopic neo-liberal attack...

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anne evans
October 6th, 2007

The decision to approve the building of this pulp mill is typical of the shortsighted attitude of politicians who can see no further than big business money and the possible benefits they may gain from it. 'Worlds best practise' is a glib statement designed to curb criticism, as 'the world's' environmental credentials are pretty shoddy.









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October 6th, 2007

Indeed, Peter Garrett is in a difficult position having thrown his lot in with a conservative political party who is fully focused on attracting the popular vote.

Mr Garrett put himself in this position prefering to grasp at minsterial leather with the ALP rather than staying on his natural political turf with the Greens. He is now with his chosen fellow travlers who prefer power to principles and does not deserve my sympathy.

Principles and open debate have taken a poor second place with the Rudd/ALP team in its desperate drive to win power. The mill is one of many critial issues that demand political leadership - it is very unlikely that the Rudd/ALP team will grasp any of these nettles and show political courage.

Like many other long term ALP supporters my vote will go to the Greens.

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Greg Ernst
October 6th, 2007

Open your eyes, look around and see what "worlds best practice " is delivering.............extinction?

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V.W.France
October 6th, 2007

Apart from the unknown costs of highways damage by log trucks, and the long-term employment of Tasmanians for the Mill, my question is "Are we prepared to allow this land, sea and air polution and the mighty dollar to govern the clean green tourist attraction of beautifl Tasmania?" As ex-Taswegians, our answer is "No, not in this beautiful valleys in Tasmania and the damage to the marine life, flora and fauna not to mention the well-being of Tasmanians". No. No. No.

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Dr Greg Smith
October 6th, 2007

These replies (Christine Milne excepted) are classic example of politicians churning out the mindless rhetoric. It's what you'd expcet from Malcolm Turnbull. But Peter Garrett's reponse is lame and unbecoming from someone who was once (supposedly) an avowed, pasisonate environmentalist. It's time people aound Australia just voted Green and be done with most of the rubbish that parades in parliament.

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duncan wilson
October 6th, 2007

unfortunately it seems that malcom turnbull, and even sadder, peter garrett have no soul, there is something VERY WRONG with the political and beaurocratical system in our country,
When will we get public referendums on decisions which affect us and our environment, the decision is not for politicians or corrupted councillors with vested interests to make, it is OUR ENVIRONMENT, OUR HEALTH AND OUR FUTURE!
PETER GARRETT... YOU TWO FACED SELL OUT, WALK YOUR TALK!

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ruth akie
October 6th, 2007

I strongly oppose the pulp mill and certainly NOT where it has been approved in Tasmania

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October 6th, 2007

How pathetic that once again Labor totally fail to distinguish themselves from the Liberals.

Talk about Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee. Yes, there *is* a difference but sometimes it’s so wafer-thin that they may as well call themselves ‘Liberals Lite’!

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Christine Janssen-Dehle
October 6th, 2007

Your comment - I am so ASHAMED to be an Australian right now. Here we are, after more than two hundred years, still killing, chopping, burning, polluting the waterways, the land, sea and air. UNBELIEVABLE! When I was a little girl I asked: What happens when all the big trees die? Will we die too? Don't be silly, was the reply. Now 50 years on nothing has changed. My husband and I Heritage Listed 2 hectares of remnant native vegetation in the Barossa Valley (less than one percent is still left here). How sad that I step lightly on these two "little" hectares when I think that Mr. Turnbull and his colleagues have given permission for 200,000 hectares of native forests to be abused! I shudder to think of the thousands of "little" deaths to be suffered. SHAME ON YOU ALL. Our intellectual property is prostituted for the sake of coporate greed. No, Mr. Turnbull, it is not "world's best practice" it is a sickly travesty. If only you knew what other people in other REALLY PROGRESSIVE countries think of Australia's record.... Where is the courage that saved the Franklin River? It is now a prime tourist destination.

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Haydn Radford
October 6th, 2007

I am so fed up with all the hype and wasted mega dollars the Howard Government have wasted on justifying their inactions over th climate change debate. I can remember during the 90"s Howard's Government being all out to block any climate change moves to help save our forests and our Murray River systems. It's only now with the risk of losing an election does he make any noise in support of climate change, but still nothing is constructively changed to bring about an effective move to help bring about any improvement to save our trees, water and wildlive. SHAME ON YOU HOWARD AND YOUR GOVERNMENT MINISTERS. IT'S TIME FOR YOU AND YOUR KIND TO GO AND LET OTHER S WHO TRULY LOVE AND CARE FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT HAVE A CHANCE TO TRY AND SAVE AUSTRALIA!!!!!!!!!

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Toni Keeling
October 6th, 2007

Thank you GetUp for providing a cyberactivist forum for Australians who feel disempowered with our politicians' decisions or lack of them. Thank you to Christine Milne, who with Bob Brown, Peg Putt, and other mainly Green politicians with real integrity and determination, have helped to provide a valuable alternative, to Australians who turn away from politicians who see our future as an opportunity to score cheap points, and destroy our wonderful Australia. Thanks to people such as Judith King who are standing up to be counted. Until I discovered GetUp, I was feeling despair about the Gunns/McLennon 'takeover' of Tasmania. It would be great to increase the GetUp members' base!

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Wendy Varney
October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett got it half right: the process certainly was a disgrace after it was cut extremely short and all proper public input conveniently circumvented or eliminated from the procedure, thanks to the Tasmanian Premier being so much at the beck and call of Gunns. However, if the procedure is a farce, it is just as farcical to then claim, as Garrett does, that Turnbull got it right. Proper procedures that allow all scientific evidence, appropriate analysis and a wide range of public opinion to be sought and then acted upon are part of what we might think of as "best practice in democracy" - something completely undervalued in today's Australia and missing entirely from this shameful occurrence. Turnbull thanks us for our input, after 36,000 submissions were received. What was the thrust of those submissions, Mr Turnbull? Why politely thank us when you spit in our faces with a decision that reeked of sham concern? This was reminiscent of Howard's claim, prior to joining Bush's invasion of Iraq: "I haven't made up my mind yet." Democracy and the environment are going down the gurgler together. What an appalling joke for an environment minister, feigning concern for the environment but only thinking about lightbulbs and sending us all glossy brochures to tell us to be concerned. We are concerned, Mr Turnbull. We're concerned about global warming and the huge contribution to it from this pulp mill and its ravenous appetite for native forests. We're concerned about the plight of endangered species. We're concerned that you don't understand or don't care about global warming nor for the future generations who will somehow have to cope with the outrageous legacy we leave them. We're concerned when decisions are made entirely by the obscenely rich on behalf of the obscenely rich. We're concerned when the relevant union falls for corporate spin. We're concerned that the best the Labor Party can do is to agree with you. Clearly there must be direct action to stop this. It is no use expecting the likes of Turnbull and Garrett to do so. - Wendy Varney, Sydney

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Vicki Braddy
October 6th, 2007

It seems we are still at the mercy of those more interested in money than life!
Once we have poisoned this planet where are we to go??

P.S. Message to those who don't get it yet....
Look after farmers......Money is not edible.......
Look after forests...even greedy people need clean air......
Use intelligence not greed when it comes to decisions regarding pollution....you can do better!!

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Christine Janssen-Dehle
October 6th, 2007

Your comment - I am so ASHAMED to be an Australian right now. Here we are, after more than two hundred years, still killing, chopping, burning, polluting the waterways, the land, sea and air. UNBELIEVABLE! When I was a little girl I asked: What happens when all the big trees die? Will we die too? Don't be silly, was the reply. Now 50 years on nothing has changed. My husband and I Heritage Listed 2 hectares of remnant native vegetation in the Barossa Valley (less than one percent is still left here). How sad that I step lightly on these two "little" hectares when I think that Mr. Turnbull and his colleagues have given permission for 200,000 hectares of native forests to be abused! I shudder to think of the thousands of "little" deaths to be suffered. SHAME ON YOU ALL. Our intellectual property is prostituted for the sake of coporate greed. No, Mr. Turnbull, it is not "world's best practice" it is a sickly travesty. If only you knew what other people in other REALLY PROGRESSIVE countries think of Australia's record.... Where is the courage that saved the Franklin River? It is now a prime tourist destination.

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October 6th, 2007

I'm a fifth generation Tasmanian , and although I haven't lived there for over 25 years ,I have an understanding of the history of the place . Why does the government there continue to make the same mistakes,with regards to large and heavily polluting development ? In the past there was the pulp mill in Burnie , the Titan paint factory ,the zinc company in Hobart ,and the all powerful HEC ,whose existance depended on providing these energy intensive industries with cheap electricity ,at the expense of the enviroment .What we see is a continuation of a process of secret deals with no interest in consultation .The Tasmanian government is the main culprit here ,although the Federal government and Labour are hoping to avoid any political repercussions by doing nothing .I spent the first twenty five years of my life in Launceston ,so I know what a beautiful place the Tamar valley is . I'll be doing whatever I can ,to keep it that way .

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marie
October 6th, 2007

World's best practice, my ass! Have the major political parties no balls? Who actually is running this country, it makes you wonder about the stupidity of it all and Mr Garrett is as bad as the rest.

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Sue Stanford
October 6th, 2007

I am afraid that the pulp mill will accelerate the destruction of Tasmanian forests.

Of course, Tasmania needs jobs. And Australia needs doctors, nurses, dentists. A world class medical teaching hospital say in Launceston, would generate a *huge* number of service industry etc jobs. Is there no way the State and Federal governments get together to much such a thing a possibility? (A facility that could do work on the paperless book would be a fantastic thing too.)

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Renata Bali
October 6th, 2007

I find the Federal decision to approve the Gunns pulp mill totally abhorrent although not unexpected. As an environmental consultant with over 28 years experience, I find that the environmental assessment process has become tainted by developer contributions and influence in NSW and by 'sweetheart' deals between big business and the Labor Government in Tasmania. People have turned to the Federal Government in hopes of receiving some sort of fair impartial environmental appraisal, but there is no joy there either. The Federal Government uses the bilateral agreement with the NSW Government to rubber stamp inadequate, poorly prepared and often incomplete environmental assessments. Malcolm Turnbull has qualified all his recent decisions with his limited role in decision making (he can only consider a limited range of national environmental matters). This is his excuse - he could wield a lot of power, but he'd rather put his political eggs in the forestry industry basket. Shame on you Malcolm Turnbull - may you have many years in the political wilderness as fair retribution for your short-sighted and politically motivated decision.

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Martyn G. Phillips
October 6th, 2007

Labor has certainly lost any environmental credibility it might have had in aligning itself with this rediculous decision. Another vote to the Greens!!
Just because the forests are there is no reason to think Gunns or anyone else in our community has a right to turn them into chips. We have also already paid too high a price in the establishment of plantations where native forests once stood. No mill operations should now be permitted anywhere in Australia until those plantations can supply all the mill requirements.

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rachel coleman
October 6th, 2007

Politicians are so forgetful. Do you not remember the people power that stopped the Franklin Dam in the eighties? Bob Hawke was smart enough to tap into that power and used it to get elected. Labor, you are letting us down. Peter Garrett, shame on you, you know better, stand up for what you really believe on this issue. Thank goodness for the Greens.

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Jonathan Dunn
October 6th, 2007

This decision is all that I have come to expect from the deceitful, corporate lackey's and greedy, unscrupulous individuals who comprise the Howard government. But to have this decision endorsed by Peter Garrett - a man who once championed environmental causes and garnered respect for his (now non-existent)integrity is a betrayal that leaves disgust and despair in it's wake. I have always been a Labor voter but now federal Labor is difficult to distinguish from the Howard dictatorship. Where does this leave the collective Australian electorate? I for one do NOT intend to vote for a corporate glove puppet of any political persuasion.

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Monica Murtagh
October 6th, 2007

is there no development in this country which should be knocked back because it is inappropriate and damages other businesses and the environment?

Tasmania has a clean food image which is ruin if this goes forward. The polies don't care. I am sick of parties paying lip service to addressing global warming while doing worse than nothing.

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Jack Lomax
October 6th, 2007

This pulp mill is world class like the Hiroshima bomb was in its day a world class bomb. In the era of global warming and concurrent peak oil it might just as well be built on the edge of the Greenland ice sheet for it is bound to crash into disuse as the global big business promoted icy fog of illusion melts from the vision of those few who support this proposed monster. Of its (few) supporters the one who disappoints me most is Peter Garret. Bob Brown warned you Peter that you would inevitably become a hollow man if you followed your political ambitions. And now your once thunderously strong voice sounds very hollow indeed. Welcome to the stage of political reality . Welcome to the world of straw men who bleat the party line in pathetic unison. Welcome to the pulping of your principles. It's not too late for you to get up Peter, but it sure is your eleventh hour.

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Graeme Greenup
October 6th, 2007

I'd like to invite Malcolm to tell us how comfortable he feels giving this prize to Gunns, the environmental delinquent which has always been pleased to call the Tasmanian State Government its very own. Does Malcolm think that a model where bullying businesses hold politicians in their pockets and have their demands leapt to with due deference and gratitude would be well suited to his own seat of Wentworth (to the Commonwealth)?

Of Peter Garrett I'd ask why he believes this biggest and bestest proposal from the Labor luvvies at Gunns is of appropriate scale. What gives him comfort that the mill will not need to continue in the Gunns tradition of forest rape and pillage to provide it with a sufficient supply of wood? Also, why is the scale of this proposal and its forseeable environmental impacts appropriate for the existing mix of economic development and natural beauty in the Tamar Valley?

To Christine Milne: the world around us will use paper that's come from pulp mills located somewhere or other. The CO2 emissions of this proposed mill could come from here or they could come from there - why do its greenhouse gas emissions have any relevance to this particular debate? Do you believe that Australia should be developing "value-adding" industries which for the future would do more than continue our grand tradition of diggin' stuff up, shippin' stuff out?

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Roy Hutchinson
October 6th, 2007

To Peter Garrett. To say that I was utterly amazed by your gutless position on the Pulp Mill issue would be an understatement. You have always talked a good fight in the past, but when it came to the real test of your character, you chose not to hold to your principles....job before honour. I am also extemely disapointed at the Labour Party's spineless policy regarding this environmentally polluting mill, you all know that the scientific report only looked at two environmental areas, effects on the ocean and migratory factors. That's all! And all this because Labour is terrified of doing a "Mark Latham", a man who stuck to his principals at a huge personal cost.
You Peter, have quickly become a typical double-speak politician. Remember, the voting public has long memories.
From Malcolm Turnbull we got what we expected, after all, as our Prime Minister himself said only a few weeks ago, THIS MILL WILL BE BUILT! They may both suffer the ultimate political fate at the coming election.
Sincerely yours,
Roy Hutchinson

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Christopher Monie
October 6th, 2007

Stuart, In my view, Bjorn is only right if you put power ahead of principle. What's the point of getting rid of the Coalition to vote in a carbon copy - and I don't believe the ALP will suddenly return to the principles for which they are supposed to stand after they win!

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Juan sala
October 6th, 2007

Shame on you Peter Garrett you should resign NOW. You are a big handicap for the labour goverment...go back to play music hipocrit.

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Denise Tzumli
October 6th, 2007

How can a kraft process pulp mill be world's best practice? The chlorine is guaranteed to produce dioxins one of the most stable and long lived poisons ever created. And then to expect zero - well no they don't expect zero environmental impact - they're going to test the environment - seal pups etc - and start jumping up and down when the levels get too high! Of course the damage will be done then and there is no effective mechanism to make Gunns pay for the clean-up. Hasn't Malcom Turnbull heard of the "precautionary principle?"

As for Peter Garrett. As an environmentalist he was very politically naive when he accepted the ALP's poisoned chalice. I think any person who has some sort of independent media profile, and they choose to accept the wooing from either major political party without demanding and receiving guaranteed independence in their area of expertise is a fool.

Christine Milne is right. There are many more options available to create better cheaper paper pulp than using old growth forrest.
For example - hemp grows rapidly and can be processed into excellent paper. It will grow on marginal soils and doesn't need large mounts of water.

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Grace McCaughey
October 6th, 2007

Tasmania is a favourite holiday destination for millions like me from around the world. We just love the original forests- what is left of them. We have seen some of the most beautiful trees in the world here.

Why on earth would anyone try to destroy this? Our future lies in stopping NOW, this week, this year. We need to stop and think about what we are doing.

Climate change is upon us and growing so rapidly that not even the scientists can keep up with it. Every report is worse than the last one.

Stop this ill-conceived mill and let us step back and observe what we have here.

For God's sake, take note and stop this utter madness.

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October 6th, 2007

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I am sick of the lies about enviromental matters.
contrary to what is being claimed, this is not environmentally neutral and would not even get to the starting barrier in Sweden and other conservation minded countries.
Also, since over $800,000,000 of the money will come from government assistance of one sort or the other, the Australian public should automatically have a share in the management and profits of this venture.
it is another example of socialism for the rich and "user pays" for the rest of us.
Without the environment, there is no future for the economy nor anything else on this planet.

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Maureen McGrath
October 6th, 2007

In relation to its effect on the environment this mill compares very unfavourably with best practice mills in Norway.

We need another Franklin River campaign and success. Who now could believe than ANYONE was in favour of flooding the beautiful Franklin surounds. We did it once for Tassie, we can do it again. Lets make healthy, clean envirnoments win against profiteering.

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carmel taig
October 6th, 2007

Tamar Valley resident Judith King expresses my concerns succinctly. It is evident that the scientific research on which Minister Malcolm Turnbull made his decision to approve the Pulp Mill was too narrow in scope. The issue is far from resolved.

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Douglas B Jones
October 6th, 2007

It is a pity that the terms the chief scientist examined have not been spelled out. In these days when all trust is gone replaced by spin of the moment, truth to be later revealed as is happening for Iraq/Afghanistan I need more.
The use of taxpayers money? Nobody has commented, Okay just as for Nuclear corporations? Has the question of jobs how many would be created by alternate proposals really been made? Wealth? If it trees a natural resouce is soon squandered giving riches to the few. Is this the limit of business concern? Will desertification be the result of felling and climete warming?
Are votes the be all for the labour party on the grounds that one cannot do anything unless in power, certainly accords with the stance of the federal opposition. A bargain with evil?

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g.curtis
October 6th, 2007

We all want what is best be it Tasmania, Private busines, Jobs, Politics, Our Environment and so the list goes on.
The Truth is what ever the truth is to the beholder, however the real truth is we only have one home 'Mother Earth'How about export world's best practise of How to clear up pollution to other countries? Let's start with with China. Now there's an export market!

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Rex Burdon
October 6th, 2007

I have no difficulty acepting a decision in favour of the mill when that decision is based on the available science with the proviso that the decision is based on ALL the available science.
Sadly in this case the Minister has not had the Chief Scientist assess ALL the environmental issues. He is aided in this less than total assessment by the self-preservation instincts of his shadow, Mr Garrett who allowed that limited assessment without raising any concerns. What we now have is a political decision aimed at partially satisfying both sides of the debate. It is a pity that when so much is at stake that the Minister and his shadow are both satsified to be "politicians" when either or both had a real chance to become a "statesman".

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peter o\'brien
October 6th, 2007

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I am amazed that successive Tasmanian Governments, of all colours, seem hell-bent on allowing environmental vandalism of their beautiful state by self interested politicians and millionaire businessmen.

There appears to be minimal regulation of these enterprises, they pollute, destroy, and corrupt everything that they touch, all for benefit of the few, at the expense of the many.

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ANN FEWSTER
October 6th, 2007

With everything that is happening to our planet and in our world. I still don't understand how Malclom Turnbull with the aid of some 'scientists' can make such a decision in favour of a pulp mill and justify it..... For the good of whom,...what? This decision is not just about building a Pulp Mill. It is about destroying an environment forever. Something precious, living and growing that will never be replaced. A legacy worth having that enhances the planet and life itself, not to mention our individual lives.
Perhaps we should be having environmental studies on the actual environment now, our coastlines, bushland, forests realizing their worth and not waiting for pulp mills owners & greedy developers, etc. to come along and stake their claims and carve up our children's heritage.
Such destruction is unforgiveable.

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David Grice
October 6th, 2007

Minister Turnbell keeps telling us the scientific assessment (narrow as it was) was why he made the decision.
Why then will he not take the overwhelming scientific advice that carbon emissions must be reduced by at least 20% by 2020 and 60% by 2050?
Instead the Minister has ignored this scientific advice and has policies which will lead to emissions doubling by 2050 according the AGO and CSIRO. We need a Climate War not a War on Terror. The Minister is becoming a Climate Criminal and we will soon judge him like we have judge those people in the 2nd world war who knew what was happening or who willingly participated in mass destruction. The Minister refuses to take effective action and he knows this policies are a charade.

The Ministers usual excuse is he will not ratify Kyoto until India and China has. In fact India and China have already joined Kyoto in 2002, but because the developed world created 85% of the problem, it is only reasonable that India and China will start their reduction obligations post 2012 after the developed countries have made their contribution. 27 other Kyoto ratified countries have emissions similar to our 1.4% (together 30%). Australia’s stance is seen international as an embarrassment and ignores many recognized principles of polluter pays, ability to pay and any other test of ‘a fair go’.

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StephenBerry
October 6th, 2007

I have a three part simple question that I believe must be answered.

If the timber/woodchip/pulp industry in Tasmania is already being subsidized to make it commercially viable why can't it be further subsidized so that the proposed mill can actually be world's best practice by:

1. Ensuring 100% of the stock for the mill is either recycled or plantation material?
2. Upgrading the plans for the mill so that it does not use bleach or dioxins in the pulping process?
3. Locating the mill in a place where air pollution and other social impacts are truly minimized?

It is obvious these three points would raise the cost further. But surely a government willing to subsidize these costs would be able to say they have supported world's best practice in a real sense, and not just given it lip service as both sides are now doing?

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October 6th, 2007

This federal government cannot be trusted on any environmental issue as this approved pulp mill testifies. Howard and the Liberals are up to their old tricks and I will do everything in my power to stop them.

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Samuel Ferguson
October 6th, 2007

I'm surprised at the people bagging Peter Garrett. It seems obvious that since there have been several chances for Australians to vote in Labor and thus have some respite from this totally business-committed Liberal government, they have not. Latham was committed to courageous Tasmanian forestry policies, but the Tasmanian forestry workers are clearly not courageous people. The Howard wedge is the main chance that this government has of being returned, and this Green attack on Peter Garrett simply smacks of political immaturity. What do you want? Liberal environment destroyers for another 3 years? Peter Garrett is not the problem, the forestry workers who vote in Liberal governments are.

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Diana Simmonds
October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett will rue the day he gave up his backbone and principles for the dubious privilege of a seat in parliament. It is something that probably won't trouble Malcolm Turnbull beyond the election. The lies, deceit and thuggery of the Tasmanian government, Gunns and the federal ALP and Liberals are grotesque; the deluded short-term gain sought by the woodchip workers is sad if predictable, but the failure of both sides of parliament to address the underlying issues in Tasmania - education and real jobs - is the real issue. The Tamar Valley mill is the new Gordon and Franklin - and rolling over and giving up now is not the answer.

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Catherine Stewart
October 6th, 2007

If we continue to allow donations by business to political parties, we will always have politicians whose primary loyalties and obligations will be to something other than the people who elect them. As an electorate, our memories are so short these days that Turnbull and Garrett will be quite comfortable that we will have forgotten about the Gunns pulp mill by the time the election comes.
Politicians elected by the dollar will also always think that "economic prosperity" is the thing about which Australians' care more than anything.
Can we maintain the outrage?

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Liz Stevens
October 6th, 2007

Gunn's will not cease and desist till the last tree falls in Tasmania. 'World's best practice' cannot replace 200,000 hectacres of carbon absorbing habitat. What 'world' do the decision makers live in?

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Ken Sprake
October 6th, 2007

I am not a scientist but Iam a father and grandfather. How can destroying millions of trees and pushing any level og toxins into our envirionment be good accept for Gunns profits.

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David OBENDORF
October 6th, 2007

Please Get Up, could you ask Peter Garrett how is going to ensure that Gunns Ltd will not continue to clearfell native forests in Tasmania to feed this pulp mill for the next half century?

Under an agreement between Forestry Tasmanian and Gunns Ltd there is virtual "resource guarantee" to access to native eucalypt forests for pulp wood; it will destroy an estimated 200,000ha of native Tasmanin forest.

Where do the animals and the plants of those native forests find refuge and existance in the face of such an insatiable greedy onslaught, Peter?

Will you have the courage to stand up to Gunns Ltd against these agreements and the Lennon-Gunnerment pulp mill laws. If you think you'll successful - as Rudd's Environment Minister [that is, if you don't get clopped down as I predict, by the Labor factions beforehand] - then you are simply deluded.

Peter, Peter, Peter, the big parties are like the Big Bad Wolf; get too close and they'll eat you up, boyo.

I feel for you too. You've got little support and limited places to go. But you can be true to the 'values' so many Australians identify with you; make a courageous stand! Do the right thing, Peter!

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October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett has sold out. He was a person of principle with regards environmental issues and now he has become a political animal prepared to go with the party line rather than his conscience. He has lost my vote for Labour. Unbelievable that he, of all people, should follow Kernot's path. He has become a liability for the labour party and a sad example of what one should not do.

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steve jarrett
October 6th, 2007

Best Practice means not up to scratch. What is this company doing to compensate for the greenhouse gases it will release? Best practice should be "Planet damage neutral"

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Narelle Crothers
October 6th, 2007

As a Victorian I enjoyed a wonderful visit to the Tamar Valley earlier this year. My overwhelming impression was of the pristine conditions and the truly spectacular environment that it occupied. Unfortuantley, even utilising world's best environmental practices this wonderful landscape, so well suited for ongoing tourist activities can be nothing other than blighted by the introduction of a pulp paper mill. Both the Labour and Liberal Governments are introducing a mill that is unpopular with the people not only of Tasmania, but any Australian who is interested in the conservation of beautiful environments within our country. This must stop. I for one will look forward to casting my vote against this issue at the forthcoming elections. NArelle Crothers

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Robert Lloyd
October 6th, 2007

This is not a sustainable project and should not be allowed
peroxide bleach is a better altenative to chorine I believe.
Destruction of native forest when climate change will potentially devastate ecosystems anyway is removing an insurance policy for a reserve of nature.
I have no issue with a policy that allows renewable forest areas in harmony with natural and preserved forest. The way the south of the country is going Tasmania may be the only area with enough water to sustain a forest ecoststem.
Surely the jobs created would be better in the mining industry in WA where labour is short and pay is higher.

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Neil Trivett
October 6th, 2007

Wrong mill, wrong place, WRONG CENTURY!!

The Tasmanian Government has taken a leaf out of the Howard Government’s book by instilling fear into the populace. The constant mantra of jobs (over the environment) plays to a deep seeded, historical worry that if we don’t cut down trees we’ll all end up in the poor house. You see, we’ve been brainwashed to believe that we aren’t capable of much else. The reality couldn’t be any further from the truth.

The Tasmanian Government has been walking the tightrope of contradiction for some time now. On the one hand, we’ve been told that the mill will be our economic saviour, while on the other; the Government has been claiming the credit for record employment rates [http://www.media.tas.gov.au/release.php?id=21900]. Even “Big Red”, in his latest piece of propaganda on the mill acknowledges “unemployment below five per cent” [http://www.premier.tas.gov.au/media/release.html?id=22118].

So why are they flogging this old, dead, story when both Labor and Liberal recognise that there’s a skills shortage in the Forestry Industry? The fact is, a significant number of jobs in the Forestry Industry remain unfilled because Tasmania’s economy now has a much broader base resulting in plenty of jobs that are safer, far less socially repugnant, easier and that offer more money [http://www.workplace.gov.au/lmip/LabourForceData/Tasmania?cid=EmploymentByIndustry|State|TAS|LFR|anon|Industry].

Instead of trying to create low skilled, low paid jobs, why don’t we work on trying to lift both the high school retention rate and the post compulsory education participation rate (currently the worst in the country on both accounts)? This is how you fix a teenage unemployment rate of 1 in 4.

We’ve got to smarten up Tasmania and demand the political representation that we deserve; politicians not beholden to one company, or one industry.

Bass Voter and Tamar Valley Resident

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J Lewis
October 6th, 2007

Gunns already own both major parties in Tasmanian politics - now they are making a bid for the federal government as well. It is time to outlaw financial contributions to political parties and to restrict the access of big business to government ministers.
Plus it is time that timber from State forests was priced at parity with plantation grown timber and not discounted as it is at pteasent

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Ruth Bacchus
October 6th, 2007

A timber recycling plant, rather than a pulp mill, and somewhere other than the Tamar valley, would surely be a better option - and one that should be supported by Labor. C'mon Labor, be brave enough to make a stand on this and other issues.

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Jill Eden
October 6th, 2007

I am really disapointed in Peter Garrett and the Labour Party position on this. Disgusted actually.

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Bronwyn Fackender
October 6th, 2007

"How can we sleep while our beds are burning!" in the Tamar Valley, where a tree can fall and noone hears (or listens)!

Anyone in Australia with a concience should hear this story and respond to the pleas of the small cummunity who will lose their environment, and ours forever!

If you never did before, or never will again, it is time to vote GREEN nd tell the bigger parties we have a voice, they must listen..

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Lisa Allen
October 6th, 2007

The governments joy in this project, I believe is all about bowing to the God "Economic Growth". It is about exports for balancing our current account deficit, due to the huge amount of junk that we buy from foreign countries. Who was it said closing $2 shops would go a long way to solving this problem.
Push for education about what consumer choices bring about.

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Wendy Varney
October 6th, 2007

There is obviously huge public feeling about this. I believe there is a protest tomorrow (Sunday) at 10.30 am outside Turnbull's office at 5A Bronte Road, Bondi Junction.

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Susan McMahon
October 6th, 2007

To you Peter Garrett - yes we all think that 'down-stream processing' is a good idea, but what you consistently REFUSE to deal with is the fact that this mill, should it ever come on stream - heaven forbid - will DOUBLE the woodchip cut in this state, because, according to Gunns IIS, they plan to continue exporting woodchips at much the same rate. In whose language is this sustainable? Please expain to me and thousands of other concerned Tasmanians and Australians. You are a disgraceful sell-out, and I only hope that if and when Labor get government, you do something to redeem yourself. Otherwise this state is lost. I don't think you have realized the huge scale of this mill (about the biggest in the world) Already 25% of Tasmania's prime farmland has gone under plantations thanks to the MIS. We can look forward to nothing but nitens, logtrucks and clearfell in Northern Tassie. What a vision. Thanks a million.
Anyway, we're NOT having it.

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John Chaplin
October 6th, 2007

I have flown over Tasmania many times in the past fourty years - each time there is less and less groundcover. Will the desertification of our home continue until there is absolutely nothing left but a few sad reserves connected by weeds and patrolled monocultures? What of the dwindling health of the planet? It's essential that you look at http://www.canaways.org

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Tamar Lads
October 6th, 2007

Why should I bother reducing my water consumption or CO2 emissions when Gunns will make my efforts look like a drop in the ocean?

Tamar Valley

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Lynette Chamas
October 6th, 2007

Congratulations, Mr Turnbull, you have just signed your own political death warrant, but in light of your decision re the pulp mill, that's definitely a good thing.

Peter Garrett - this mill is the new Franklin Dam, and we all remember what happened to the Fraser government that supported it and the Hawke government that opposed it. Read your history books. The numbers of those opposing the mill in Bass and Braddon are as great as those supporting it. Tell Rudd to stop doing a "me, too" and soar like a Hawke.

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Peter Gibson
October 6th, 2007

Dear Peter and Malcom,
The only acceptable pulp mill is a mill that is powered by renewable energy, that uses plantation or recycled timber, whose effluent is drinking quality water, built in an appropriate location. Anything less and the people and the planet are paying for Gunn's profits and you as environmental spokesmen for us are not doing your jobs. Goodbye.

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strewth mate
October 6th, 2007

I've been a permanent resident since the '70s but only became a citizen last month so I could vote in the forthcoming election.

I am what John Howard might describe as an "aspirational" voter.

But don't get excited John as NOW my "aspiration" is to watch you concede your Govt's defeat on election night and, if wishes were horses, also see you and Malcolm Turnbull lose the right to represent your local electorates.

You, your Govt., and Malcolm Turnbull need to chucked out as a lesson for ALL politicians. Namely, that we (the voters) care more about the environment than return on investment or any other economic double speak.

Lets be clear. Malcolm, I am red-hot apoplectic about your approving this pulp mill and then trying to use weasel words like "its on the science" when blind freddie knows you did it because the fix was already in to appease your mates from the big end of town.

A message for Peter Garrett while I'm venting... Peter, we all make mistakes and appearing to support Malcolm's decision means there's now one tick against your name in my books.

So AFTER you become Environment Minister please don't make any more, ok? Alot of trees and people are counting on you.

This pulp mill should not be built, will never be built.

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Susan Hoult
October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett I cannot believe you. I have stuck with the Labour Party all my life probably for the same reasons you joined them - major parties have greatest potential for major change - for the first time I will be voting Green. And I agree with Christine Milne, this fight is not over yet.

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Ian Fraser
October 6th, 2007

Yet another case of clever manipulation of the terms of reference so as to make a pre-determined outcome a foregone conclusion.
But, let us see if the banks are truly as green as they claim to be. If they are genuinely prepared to put the environment before profit Gunns will not be able to finance this obscenity.

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October 6th, 2007

What is happening to our so called civilized/democratic world, where a large portion of a community that is opposed to a certain development ie a pulp mill are told that their environment, their air, their homes, their lives can be compromised even damaged against their will, just to improve the wealth of a much smaller group of individuals. This is madness and immoral and we must stop this, if we want our children and their children have the lifestyle that we had when we were a real democracy. Does any one remember when we really lived in a democratic society?

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Judith Miles
October 6th, 2007

Your comment Shame on all politicians who see Tasmania as a paper island for the rest of the world. Bullshit to best practice, what about the forests who feed the greed of so few at the loss and cost to millions. When there are no forests, what then? Or before that, the climate loss of the trees will have already caused the island to subside along with the rare plants and animals including that voracious animal called man.

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Chris Walsh
October 6th, 2007

The omission of greenhouse impacts from consideration of the impacts of this mill, and the subsequent bipartisan support for it, just underlines that neither major party is taking climate change seriously enough. Time our government stopped being driven by spin doctors and started being driven by serious policy for our long term commonwealth. Both of the major parties deserve our contempt, and certainly don't deserve our votes, while they fail to adequately consider climate change impacts across all areas of policy.

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October 6th, 2007

Dear Getup Members,

I am disappointed Labour and Peter Garrett have not taken a stronger position on the proposed Gunn's pulp mill. Labour should not support this mill in any shape or form. For the environment to be such a hot topic for the general public I think it is foolish of Labour to not openly appose the mill. It is clear Australia is suffering environmentally due to green house gasses and ozone breakdown. To further add to this by destroying native forest (that is the land that is being used for plantation forest- Peter Garrett) and create a mill that will also pollute is absurd. By not having the mill Australians will just choose more environmentally friendly building products and use less paper as these products will be come more expensive. The government is not doing Australians any favours by passing this mill and I think that is how most Australians see it.

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Donald Cohen
October 6th, 2007

Having a pulp mill is bad enough, but one operated by the repulsive Gunns seems like environmental irresponsibility of the first order.

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Cornelia Versluys
October 6th, 2007

It is another example of how little regard both these governments have for the rights of ordinary people. The local people do not want the mill. The people concerned with the environment do not want the mill. I am very surprised at the comments of Peter Garrett. I thought he would know better.

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Kris Townsend-Jones
October 6th, 2007

I'd like to know how many REAL jobs are being created here and how many REAL livlihoods are being adversly affected by this madness! We all should know by now that when a problem occurs, a solution appears. Jobs have been disappearing for ever, but new ones are created. History shows us that from the Industrial Revolution to now.

How short sighted do we have to be - even when our earth is fighting back, we still want to push on with NO VISION and no credible argument for creating this pulp mill. If the earth is cooked, the water is polluted, the air is thick and polluted - WE WONT NEED A PULP MILL!!

Yes, I am a "mainlander. " However, I haven't been sitting on some "beach on Bondi" objecting to this Mill Mr. Lennon. (By the way, isn't Tasmania a part of Australia and shouldn't people sitting on Bondi or any other place in this country have a valid opinion that they are entitled to voice as well as you Mr. Lennon)??

We have bought property in Tasmania and we have created private forest reserves, turning over 60% of our land to remain in it's pristine state forever - for the benefit of all. That's what I call putting our money where our mouth is. We thought that was a good example to set, how about you Mr. Lennon?

Now along comes Gunns with their short term attitude and their short term money and everyone needs to bow and scrape it seems. How bizarre! Why can't we recognise that Tasmania is a State that could be the envy of the rest of Australia and the World - Is there a need to burn and poison it instead? Is money THAT important? You have had the chance to be a HERO, Mr. Lennon, a VISIONARY, a LEGEND....but no, people like that seem to be VERY, VERY thin on the ground in this country.

Money doesn't last but clearly, if allowed, the environment does. I have no doubt nature will continue to warn us, and the fight to contain all the degenerative diseases that are currently being created via our polluted environment and chemical exposure etc..will continue to increase as statistics are showing. Nature will win the battle, Gunns, Mr. Lennon, Mr. Turnbull and all the Scientists in the world wont be able to change that.

Oh, where are the Innovators and Leaders of the world, clearly and certainly not in Tasmania or mainland Australia.

AND Peter Garrett I am so, so disappointed! This was a golden opportunity for you to be the outspoken, passionate voice of the people I thought you were going to be. Instead you seem to have turned into a puppet. I think you were more use on the stage.

Remember the Franklin....

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Carol Prendy
October 6th, 2007

This Govt. is not concerned about the people or the environment, they are only interested in what will make $$$ for themselves and the economy. How many polititians were paid handsomely to make this go ahead ?

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Russell Clemens
October 6th, 2007

I agree with Ferguson (below): "Peter Garrett is not the problem, the forestry workers who vote in Liberal governments are."

The WA Labour party was eleted in 2001 on a policy of stopping logging in old growth forests. And we heard nothing but whinging from the few chainsaw-men who might have had to move onto something more sustainable a bit sooner, no doubt, than they would have done anyway a few years later when the last tree was chipped.

Surely with all this State welfare being provided to Gunns it would seem to be less expensive to give 'sit down money' to the few hundred workers involved. As usual, it's about big business and shareholders in New York. Welcome to third world status.

Not all is lost, we can always buy the trees back as tissues (at 100% the price per whatever) to blow our noses on and dry the tears.

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Mariana Munro
October 6th, 2007

Have some guts, Garret. Stand up for what's right, not what you perceive is going to win you votes. Remember how gutless Beazley was through the whole Tampa affair. This will only LOSE you votes and credibility in the long run. You know this is the thin end of the wedge, and wth the increased production from the pulp mil will accelerate the clearfelling of the already much ravaged Tasmanian old growth forest. And for what? Woodchip.

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jill barwick
October 6th, 2007

thanks for this forum. I love it that there are diverse views from many sources.

I am personally opposed to pulp mills generally, as they use processes that inevitably create pollution. This kills birds, fish insects and people.

Malcolm Turnbull is defensive and vague, so I'm not clear what the conditions are that he's imposed and cynical about the relationship between government and large companies.

I'm sorry to see Peter Garrett being vague and 'political' about this issue, leaving the door open to go ahead.

The greens Christine Milne is clearer about the environmental impact and their position, but hasn't missed the opportunity to point score off labour, which is a pity.

The resident Judith King is the clearest, with concrete examples of impacts the mill will have and local attitudes to the development.

Focussing only on jobs in the short term obscures the long term damage and loss of jobs/livelihood that environmental degradation entails.

I advise Peter Garrett to reform the nuclear disarmament party and return to his core values. Mainstream parties take too much of a toll on your personal integrity. I'd vote for him again then.

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October 6th, 2007

I wonder if mr Turnbull has considered where the water is coming from. Millions of litres of water, containing amazingly low levels of effluent, are to be discharged into the Bass Straight each day. If it so clean why do they not recycled it. With a national disaster looming over drought and food shortages, where water restrictions are being applied, why are we using water on an industrial process to make paper? I thought we were heading towards a paper-less society anyway.

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Damian Walsh
October 6th, 2007

I am not an opponent of the pulp mill. It seems many who write are, but I can see real benefits in value-adding the woodchip resource here in Australia. A few points:
- Instead of exporting the raw material and buying the finished product back it can be value added here and exported. Woodchips are $166/tonne. Paper is $700+/tonne. The balance of trade deficit in forest products in this country is massive and this mill will wipe out 25% of this deficit.
- Whether or not the mill goes ahead the woodchip export trade and the impacts of harvesting on native forests will continue. A big chunk of the Tasmanian economy relies upon it doing so. Forests will still be cut to supply the sawmills, veneer mills and either woodchips mills or pulp mills here or overseas regardless of this pulp mill being built or not.
- Australia has some of the toughest regulations with regards forest management and harvesting in the world. Sure, improvements can be made and will continue to be made. However I would prefer industry to be supplied from our managed forests and not relatively unmanaged, unregulated forests in other countries. Here forests are protected from lasting damage and provide a renewable resource, there they may not.
- The conditions imposed by the government mean this mill could be the benchmark for worlds best practice. We should take the opportunity to ensure it is. Building here will potentially have a net environmental benefit in terms of greenhouse gas emissions, marine and forest environmental impacts. Better to have the world's most environmentally friendly mill here, than a less-than friendly polluter built overseas. World market demand for pulp and paper will ensure a new mill is built somewhere else if the Tasmanian mill is stopped.
- The mill will provide jobs. May not be a big issue in these goods times, but when times are not so good we all will appreciate these jobs that industry generates.
Enough hype, glibe one liners and emotive language. Lets start considering the facts and the facts alone.

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william darker
October 6th, 2007

What a crazy world where my one time hero (Peter Garret) is now one of the party line towing puppets , I will never believe nor understand this fact. How can a man once so passionate about the environment now be up supporting the Gunns pulp mill ?
Think its time to get the band back together mate !

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Neville Smith
October 6th, 2007

In what area are we to follow worlds best practise? Like all this governments enquiries the terms of reference were so tightly controlled that the outcome was rigged and everyone knows it Malcolm and just maybe you and yours will pay at the ballot box.

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Carol Stuart
October 6th, 2007

My heart aches for the people in the Tamar Valley, my heart aches for beautiful Tasmania, my heart aches for the environment. My heart aches for our children of the future. This business is not about 'jobs' Its about Corporations never ending need for more and more money, and in this instance using our valuable natural resources to get it. When is it ever going to stop? The people and jobs that are being 'flag waved' are simply 'porns' being used in the political money game.
Plenty of jobs could be created for tourism, hospitality and other industries feeding off tourism. There is plenty of water in Tassie, surely some industry could be created around this.
Tasmania is such a beautiful place. Those that have not been to see Tassie. I implore you all to visit her and 'have a look'.
While I am writing this I am also mindful of where the money is coming from for this project being the ANZ Bank We need to put pressure on to the ANZ Bank. Shame ANZ Bank if you support such a company.

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Tom Tabart
October 6th, 2007

Turnbull's craven decision from behind the Chief Scientist is entirely predictable but Garratt has just destroyed the last bit of his moral credibility.

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Dona Eaton
October 6th, 2007

Unbelieviably stupid and gutless from Mr T, and equally immoral from Peter Garrett the most hypocritical of all; at least the opposition could have pushed for a more suitable location. In any event, chopping down our forests for paper is criminal, we should be looking at other ways of making paper; hemp, fibre by-products, recycled...and look at reducing paper products. The decision makers, especially government officials should be working at uniting us, not dividing its' citizens, and as much as the economy/jobs are important, the environment is not for sale, like this anyway...$$$ in surplus, wasted govt advertising, white collar tax fraud and so on could be used to compensate workers in these industries, for transition/redundancy, whatever! Good on Geoffry Cousins. We need more people in similar positions to demand 'due process', and of course to The Greens, and others who have always fought for the good and right of this amazing, beautiful planet.

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Wendy Varney
October 6th, 2007

Damian, I agree: Let's have the facts. But I think perhaps you don't quite have your facts correct or at least not complete. Woodchipping is heavily subsidised and mainly goes in to nonessential items. If we are to heavily subsidise the production of jobs, let's make them the sort of jobs that will be socially useful and contribute something to society. Jack Mundey was quite right when he and his fellow Builders Laborers implemented Green Bans back in the 1970s and said that workers needed to think about the consequence of their labour.

I found your argument that we should somehow make the big sacrifice here a little strange. You seem to want to pose haveing a pulp mill in the Tamar Valley as some sort of overall gain. Pardon me, but it really does seem like a loss whichever way you look at it: "Wow there goes another fantastic stand of Eucalypts and the wildlife that habitat supported. One more gain!?" I don't think so. It's a little like saying "We should go down the nuclear path and we should be subservient enough to Washington and corporations to have a high level nuclear waste dump in Australia". Like hell we should! And like hell we should let this pulp mill go ahead.

That's not my idea of altruism.

By the way, there are a lot of scientists that are pointing out that the pulp mill may well be an environmental disaster. Howard, any astute person will have noticed, handpicks his "scientists".

Have another read of the discussion in this forum, Damian, I think you'll find there's some very good sense spoken within it.

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pru hock
October 6th, 2007

Only third world countries chip old growth forests.Get smart Australia and develop hemp for paper production.

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pat berzins
October 6th, 2007

It seems that Tasmania is often the centre of environmental protests. I marched against the destruction of Lake Pedder back in the 60s/70s. Again I supported those who campaigned to save Franklin River in the 80s. In each case the campaign highlighted the inordinate influence that the Hydro Electricity Commission had on the Tasmanian Government. Now the HEC seems to have been supplanted by Gunns. Is Tasmania a one industry state? Is either Malcolm Turnbull or Peter Garret prepared to consider the sponsoring of viable industries for Tasmania that will provide wealth and employment without degrading the environment. The dependency of Tasmania on a single, destructive industry cannot be in that state's best interests anymore than the destruction of employment opportunities.

I was informed that South Africa can undercut Gunn's pulp mill, financially and on environmental issues. The source for their pulp mill is a purpose planted eucalypt forest. How behind the times are we?

The comments of all three parliamentarians are more or less what I would expect. Both major politicians are focused on their area of interest: in Malcolm Turnbull's case it is protecting big business, in Peter Garrett's case it is looking after the jobs.Christine Milne's stand is for the environment first and foremost. Something new needs to be added, taking into account the creation of both wealth and jobs. And Tasmania needs to overcome its addiction to Gunn's.

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Maggie Poole-Johnson
October 6th, 2007

Malcolm Turnbull's comments are predictable whitewash. Peter Garrett's disappointingly weak. Hurrah for Christine Milne and Judith King! It's wonderful to see the fighting spirit is still strong and its definitely not all over yet. The proposed mill represents the worst of environmental vandalism, an appalling disregard for people's health and once again I suspect big business/government corruption. I also agree with others who say lets promote jobs in a burgeoning tourist industry not jobs in a damaging mill which will help to wreck the said tourist industry. I'm sure Tassie needs a mill but not in the Tamar Valley!! Stick with it everyone. We're barracking for you!

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George Alex Mortensen
October 6th, 2007

SHAME! MR TURNBULL. SHAME! MR GARRETT.

It is incredible that in this day and age, people in your positions of power and potential power can possibly agree with the establishment of a mill that will devour Tasmania's forests, destroy the wildlife dependent upon those forests, help to detroy the overall world environment through the destruction of those forests, heavily pollute the air and waters of the region and who knows how far from the region.
Neither of you, nor any of your party members deserve to be in our so-called democratic parliament.

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Zac Gazzard
October 6th, 2007

When we look at the bare facts: this mill will destroy 200,000ha of forest. Peter Garret,and Malcom Turnbull can use misleading terminology to try to say that this is 'science', but any common person can see that the loss of 200,000 ha of forest will mean massive CO2 emmissions, contributing to climate change which is one of the key isses GETUP is trying to act on. It is sad that this issue came before the election. If Peter Garrett were to comment on this issue after the election, I think we would have heard a very differnt voice. I still have hope that Garrett will still show stronger leadership then the liberals on such issues.

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Karma Hastwell
October 6th, 2007

There can be no excuse to despoil the land The future is not ours

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Roslyn West
October 6th, 2007

Your comment
Destruction of native bushland anywhere is going to destroy the habital of our fauna and flora. Destruction on the massive scale we see in tasmania now and what is planned for the future will result in the deaths of many thousands of native animals and birds. What happens when trees are felled? Are the hapless animals ploughed under by the bulldozers? Are they just collateral damage? There are a number of organisations in this country who say they are there for the protection of animals and enjoy a charity status for doing so. Where is their voice in this issue? Is it to be left to the wildlife rescue volunteers to save an occasional wallaby and bird here and there? Please someone speak up to stop the suffering of our native animals.

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Geoff Davis
October 6th, 2007

TIME FOR ANOTHER FRANKLIN RIVER STAND! The pulp mill decision is appalling, and I'm ashamed as an Australian that not only did we not sign the Kyoto accord, we continue to compromise our environment by ruining pristine native forests for the sake of short term profit. And after a less-than-transparent review and approvals process.

Clearly in this day and age, with the ever present threat of global warming and environmental degradation, we must do all we can to protect nature and the environment. Compromise when it comes to clearing native forest should not be an option. Tasmania’s natural beauty is far more valuable as a long-term asset than a forest-destroying, ‘best practices’ polluting pulp mill that will be obsolete within 50 years..

Whatever needs to be done should be done to stop this project.

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Robert Elson
October 6th, 2007

As a resident of NE Tasmania I am appalled that Minister Turnbull has allowed the Mill to proceed knowing the damage the Mill will cause to the environment and the destruction of the native forests.As climate change is in place now, reeking devastation on the planet, how can a project aimed at intensifying it be allowed to proceed? A major step towards rolling back climate change would have been to stop the Mill. We are not living in the 1930s. This is 2007 and the planet is in trouble.

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BRIAN LEE
October 6th, 2007

Q.1 "World Best Practice" is chlorine free - Gunns' proposed mill is not!
Why, Mr Turnbull, have you agreed to this?

Q.2 Why, Mr Turnbull, have you agreed to a pulp mill that discharges even small amounts of dioxins when "World best Practice" is NO DIOXINS?

Q.3 In coming to your decision, Mr Turnbull, why have you not addressed environmental concerns raised by Australian citizens?

RESIGN YOUR MINISTERSHIP AND GO STRAIGHT TO THE BACK BENCH!

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Sally-may walker
October 6th, 2007

After listening to the ABC coast radio's discussion on this issue, I am lead to believe that this mill is no where near the "World Best Practice". How is Gunns allowed to use that statement when it is not true?

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Jill Moonie
October 6th, 2007

I'm disappointed, I can't see the long term value of pulp mills, because the govt is sinking so much of OUR $ into it, does that mean we are all part owners of the proposed Gunns pulp mill? You notice I said proposed, because I don't believe it will ever happen.

Gee we humans are short sighted as a species. The answer to all our current problems is right under our nose, sustainable development.

I've just created my 3rd vegie patch, more tomatoes, rockmelons and other things that will keep me and my family going, and enough to share. Think about it.

Jill

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Ann Jarman
October 6th, 2007

Once again money has overuled the health of the planet. Half of our farmers are experincing the worst drought ever, the polar ice caps are melting, our planet is stressed. But yet we are going to chop down forests to feed an unecessary pulp mill. To help combate climate change we need to immediately start soaking up the CO2 that have put into the air and transform it back into solid carbon-storage vessells called forests and trees. A tall wet Eucalypt forest is one of the greatest carbon storage units on the planet. It can store 1,500 tonnes per hectare without cost or effort. But yet we continue to chop down our forests. This unnecessary distruction needs to stop and the only way Australians can stop this is by voting for the Greens. We must have a Greens Balance of power in the Senate this election, if we want any hope of having an earth left for our children & grandchildren.

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Lois Stephen
October 6th, 2007

I recall Mr Garret speaking at a conservation meeting a few years ago about preserving old growth forests.Now he calls them "our forest estate".
Sickening!

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Leisa Kelly
October 6th, 2007

The go-ahead for the Gunn's Mill shows a real failure of our 2-party democratic system.
When both major political parties appear almost identical and the wishes of the majority are ignored, how can we claim to have a democracy?

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louise doran
October 6th, 2007

Here's hoping Bob Brown and Christine Milne can save the Tamar because Malcom and Peter certainly won't.

Louise.

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Anne Tudor
October 6th, 2007

How can we possible believe that this decision will not have diabolical consequences for the environment and the people of Tasmania into the future.

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Ellen Thomas
October 6th, 2007

Do all you can to prevent this mill from progressing. It will be an environmental disaster if allowed to go ahead. Why can't the politicians see sense?

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October 6th, 2007

Dear Mr Turnbull
I do hope that you keep this promise re strict conditions regarding the environment though from your performance in Innisfail re Powerlink and their blatant disregard for quarantine issues re stopping the Siam Weed seed.

What a joke your strict conditions were for them even though I had written to you on a number of occassions regarding this. And as for your statement that you would make a huge effort to eradicate all noxious weeds yet when it comes to the world's worst weed you do nothing.

If you told me it was raining I'd look outside and check. I do believe that you have no idea what you say.

And as for you Mr Peter Garrett you did not even have the decency to answer my letter to you on the above issues.

Easy to be a singer and sing about being green. I believe you jumped to the other side quicker than most of us change our jocks and socks.

Sue

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EMELIA GYPSY FIRE
October 6th, 2007

THIS GOV IS CRIMINAL THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR MOTHER EARTH WHICH FEEDS US AND ALL ITS EAGLES BIRDS AND ALL OF CREATION........THEY GO ON AND ON ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND CUTTING GREEN HOUSE POLLUTION LIES ....WHAT STUPID MAD HYPOCRITICAL REGIME YOU MEN AND WOMEN IN CANBERRA ARE............THE EARTH DOES NOT BELONG TO US WE BELONG TO THE EARTH ....YOU CANT KEEP ON CHOPPING DOWN FORESTS AND SELLING NATURE IS YOUR MONEY THAT GOOD WILL IT BUY BACK FORGIVNESS FOR RAPING THE HOME OF THE EAGLES AND ALL OF THE ANIMALS THAT LIVE THERE...WONT THIS CREATE DEVASTATING CLIMATE DISASTER THAT YOU GOVERMENTS HAVE ALREADY CREATED BY THERE GREED AND LIES HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY SLEEP AT NIGHT WHEN YOU ARE ADDING TO THE WORLD NATURE FIGHTS BACK DISASTERS WITH EARTHQUAKES TSUNAMI WAKE UP WAKE UP TO THE CRIES OF THE PEOPLE THE AMERICAN INDIANS THE ABORIGINAL ELDERS STOP STOP NOW IN THE NAME OF THE GREAT SPIRIT AND ALL THE NATURE SPIRTS STOP RAPING AND SELLING THE EARTH GIVEN TO US FREELY SO BEAUTIFUL TO BE IN HARMONY WITH IT. CANT THE LOGERS LEARN ANOTHER PROFESSION MAYBE GROWING FRUITS VEGS HERBS DONT THEY CARE THAT THERE CHILDREN WILL INHERIT NO EARTH AND ALL THE CASH THEY MAKE WILL BE WORTHLESS AS THEY CANT EAT THE DOLLARS WHEN NATURE WILL DESTROY THERE HOMES AS IN NEW ORLEANS AS IN INDIA AS IN SO MANY MANY COUNTRIES.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE
EQUAL RIGHTS AND JUSTICE
EMELIA GYPSY FIRE

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Cameron Neil
October 6th, 2007

as a columnist in SMH pointed out yesterday, this mill would never have been approved in a non-election environment. but the lessons of 2004 are still open wounds so we have a political game that is, literally, selling off our future in return for votes and political outcomes.

i only just finished reading the piece in the monthly earlier this year on the corrupt and obscene inter-relationship between politics and money around the gunns company more generally, and the terrible environmental and social price that is being paid for this relationship.

my hope is that we can campaign together to stop this pulp mill going ahead and to change the culture of politics and wealth in tasmania that is destroying the future.

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Dan French
October 6th, 2007

The way I understand it, hemp is a superior product that grows in a fraction of the time, produces 4 times the amount of product per hectare and fixes atmospheric nitrogen in the soil. I am really disappointed in the decision to go ahead with this mill. We can see the effects of climate change unfolding in front of our eyes and still this archaic practice recieves the thumbs up!?! How can the removal of 200,00 ha of forest be in our interests. What benefits will we recieve from Gunns?
I know you have to conform when part of a group Peter G but to completely sell out is making me feel a bit queasy.

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Beatrice Blanks
October 6th, 2007

Your comment
I have only been to Tasmania once and believe it is one of the last most beautiful wilderness areas in the world, I know employment is not easy in Tassie but surely ecotourism promotion could go some way to save these magnificent forests.
I was horrified at what happened in Queenstown and TV footage of clear felling. This must not happen any more, it is our planet's heritage and our descendants legacy to preserve this beautiful wilderness. Please please Prime Minister don't let it happen.

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John Bishop
October 6th, 2007

Who is going to monitor compliance with all the conditions placed on the mill?
What penalties will be imposed and how quickly if conditions are breached?
Penalties should be severe enough that Gunns will have no choice but to do the right thing.
Past experience suggests that Gunns and the Tasmanian government will take shortcuts if they can get away with them.

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julia Beckett
October 6th, 2007

I note that the chief scientist Mr Turnbull relied on so heavily in this matter recently endorsed nuclear energy as the only way forward, so it's clear just how disinterested his opinion on environmental matters is!

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Stuart Robson
October 6th, 2007

What would you rather have trees in our own country, or pulp in someone's else country? Trees mean rain, and rain means food. One big contribution to combating climate change would be to get rid of Gunns.

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Leanne Lance
October 6th, 2007

The location of the mill is completely inappropriate. If you are unsure go and check it out yourselves. Once polluted it will be ruined forever. Will the money and jobs Gunns promises last forever, for the kids and grand kids and great grandkids of the area. What about the money and jobs lost in other industries in the Tamar when the air and water are polluted? Will that be more than the Mill promises to create?
Pull you heads outta your backsides gentlemen and be leaders not just politicians.

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Michael Allen
October 6th, 2007

I live on a small Island in Moreton Bay. A beautiful place to live, yet Mr Turnbull and Mr Garret you have both sold out another beautiful place, Tasmania,hoping the votes from the timber loggers, who don't have any concern for the environment, will get you and your party elected. Is World Best Practice the same as Aspirational Targets? I would say so. Both are meaningless and political speak. Mr Costello loves to get before the press and whilst smirking and patronizing the Australian people tell us that we have such a buoyant and prosperous economy. Use the funds to retrain the timber workers into other areas of employment.
We are going to send millions of dollars to Indonesia to stop them from denuding their forests (an aspirational target I suppose).
The weak Tasmanian Labor Leader I thought was a Liberal in Labor clothing, now I know that when it comes to looking after our country and the planet both the Labor and Conservative Parties are all tarred with the same brush. No guts to stand up and be counted. Also the ANZ bank who seems to be the major and principal lender for this Gunns grab for greed, should be blacklisted by customers who care what happens to the planet and our country.
Unfortunately many people think that an "Independent" is independent and will give an independent report on whatever the subject matter is. WRONG! He who pays the money gets the "right" report. We have to fight this polluter, the weak politicians and any other idiotic independent who states its okay to destroy the planet.
Mr Garret, we have thrown out all of your recorded music and I hope people will hesitate before buying any Midnight Oil cd's. Remember Garret is still receiving royalties on his music which once stood for something now it stands for Gutless Garret. The Shadow minister who throws no shadow not even on a sunny day.
My aspirational target is to hope that we can vote all of these lying, weak, gutless, politicians out of power.

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Michael Burns
October 6th, 2007

This is a mindlessly short sighted decision. Why are a hand full of jobs destroying the environment sacrosanct and jobs in secondary and green energy industries expendable.

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Val Simpson
October 6th, 2007

I am appalled that the Gunns Pulp Mill has been given the 'green' light and that both major parties are backing this proposal. How can we, as Australian citizens, back something that will further destroy our forests? How can a pristine environment stay 'pristine' with toxic effluent, no matter the amount, being pumped into rivers and our oceans? The Tasmanian Premier said that this was a Tasmanian issue and that people on the main land should stay out of the debat. Well I thought that Tasmania was a State of Australia or have I been wrong in this assumption? I live in Queensland and I believe that all Australians need to stand up and say NO to the Gunns Mill. It may create jobs for some however it will also pump millions of tonnes of greenhouse gases into the air so lets not allow this mill to even get off the ground. We need to reuduce the toxic gases pumped into our air not increase them and we need more trees to help our environment not destroy them.

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Susan McMahon
October 6th, 2007

As a resident of "The Sacrifice Zone" - the Tamar Valley, a heartfelt thank you to all the ordinary Australian people who have left their comments on this site. Your obvious concern makes us feel that we have not been abandonned and forgotten. The overwhelming number of comments express outrage and disgust at the way democracy has been trashed by Paul Lennon, and in his acquiesence, by Turnbull. And 'me too' Garrett, of course.
I hope as many of you as are able, are willing to put your money where your mouth is, because there is such a strong feeling that we have been shafted here, and we are NOT going to allow it to happen without a very big fight. We will need troops on the ground, if it comes to that. If enough outraged people stand up to be counted, then there is no way that this monster will be built.
Take note, potential financiers of this project - a hostile population can make this difficult if not impossible to be built without massive cost over-runs. We promise you this will happen. We are very, very hostile. Suck on that, Gay, Lennon, Turnbull and Garrett!

Annie in the Tamar Valley

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Wendy Varney
October 6th, 2007

Mrs Sluyters asks several questions which I would like to answer.

She asks whether we on the mainland who oppose the pulp mill have ever come to Tasmania. Yes, I have made many trips to Tasmania as a tourist, indeed three in the last two and a half years. I'm not sure I could bear to come again, however. It would break my heart.

She asks if I use paper. Yes, I do, but very sparingly. I try to use scrap or used paper whenever possible, I re-use envelopes where I can and use recycled paper. I try never to take paper for granted. However, I also believe we have a responsibility to push for structural changes, not just act individually.

We must, therefore, campaign again excessive packaging and rampant consumerism; we must try to support industries which are less environmentally damaging and which provide more jobs than can be found in the ludicrous woodchipping industry; we must fight against the ridiculous subsidisation of the woodchipping industry...

And we must oppose the pulp mill. Mrs Sluyters, global warming is not an issue for Tasmania alone so nor can this issue that will exacerbate global warming be an issue for Tasmania alone.

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Marie-Claude Rangott
October 6th, 2007

Cutting down trees has to stop now! The use of Dioxine on top of this for the benefit of a few hundred share holders and big business in Japan is obscene.. when one looks back to what has been done to this country, in this country in the name of big business!
Shortcuts are sure to take place with subsequent irreversible consequences!! So please shoot it down.

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Gordon Worrall
October 6th, 2007

Thank goodness the mill has been approved. Tasmania needs more industry and this will be a significant help to the State's economy.

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Kathryn Bourke
October 6th, 2007

"world's best practice" is not a very comforting thought. It seems that all environmental considerations get thrown out the window whenever there are a few bucks to be made

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jo
October 6th, 2007

Send an email to the anz expressing your disappointment in this investment - enough interest shown they might find it is more in THEIR financial interest to withdraw backing.

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Elizabeth Dale
October 6th, 2007

A decision based purely on science...bollocks! This decision clearly is a political one and nothing you can say or do Mr Turnbull will convince us otherwise. And as for Mr Garrett, another 'me too' policy. We know that the Labour Govt are too scared of turning potential voters away, but PLEASE don't allow politics so stand in the way of what is truly right and what is clearly wrong! Shame on both parties - it is not necessarily Mr Turnbull or Mr Garret making those decisions, they are but puppets to their fearless leaders!

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Libby Porter
October 6th, 2007

Yet again Bob Brown and the greeens show themselves to be the only ones with any integrity on this issue. Is there no other way to employ these people in tasmania than in destroying it? When are governments going to take a serious look at non-poluting jobs in our heritage environments? Look at Ireland, with their IT boom, and look at Germany, with their solar power industry.....and enter the 21st century. We are one of the biggest polluters per capita of the richest countries in the world. It must stop!

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Samuel Savage
October 6th, 2007

If this mill was so important to create jobs and the great almighty dollar, why! was'nt their great creation of export avenues away from a mill processing plant. Hey! there are other countries who have established processing mills. Just export it and save the enviroment. Put on your thinking caps don't destroy any more of our planet. Allowable levels of pollution is still pollution. Have we learned nothing?

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Janet Tacy
October 6th, 2007

S T O P T H E M I L L - YOU ARE ENVIRONMENTAL VANDALS!!!

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October 6th, 2007

Climate change is not just about reducing greenhouse emissions. It’s about how to regulate human activity. And of course, at all levels, from local government to international inter-governmental agreement. And perhaps for the first time, we might actually plan future development. And we must not only plan where houses go, we must plan to prevent housing adversely impacting the local ecology. And we must plan all the more precisely where we build Mega structures like a Pulp Mill. So may I suggest the effluent be filtered to a standard sufficient to be recirculated within the mill? I assume filtration systems have improved to the point where the extra cost is comparable to the cost of piping the effluent out to sea and maintaining that system. Such as the hidden cost of departmental environmental monitoring.

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Ian Watt
October 6th, 2007

I have experienced at first hand the results of placing heavy industry in a valley which experiences inversion layers. The Forth Valley in Scotland is or was such a place, I havn't lived there since 1973, but I couldn't get out of there quickly enough. In my opinion the placing of this pulp mill in such a valley is a big mistake.

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Hetty Jacobs
October 6th, 2007

The decision to approve this mill is a disgrace. My heart goes out to the residents of the region. To have the AMA say it will kill 6-8 a year from respiratory illnesses and then go ahead with it makes the government and Gunns guilty of premeditated murder. Peter Garrett says Labor has always supported a world class mill for Tasmania!??? What is this? A status thing? Environment ministers these days are just spin doctors who imagine they mitigate the damage done by learning the vocabulary of conservation rhetoric. No wonder death from depression will take the highest toll in the next decade. How are we to withstand our governments continuing to make decisions we do not want. They are no longer representatives of the people's will. Democracy is dead.

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Sue Bebarfald
October 6th, 2007

I can't believe this is happening. After seeing the devastation first hand in W.A.,Tasmania and Victoria, over the past 40 years, and hearing all the current talk about climate change: we are cutting down more trees to feed a pulp mill! In the Tamar valley! This is indeed the STUPID country.
Sincerely Sue Bebarfald.

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Geoff Bolton
October 6th, 2007

Turnbull may or may not be punished in Wentworth. But what's also needed is a concerted national campaign to remove from the senate one sitting Coalition senator in each state, in direct linkage to this Tamar Valley issue. Can Getup! organise it, naming say the #3 or #4 senate Coalition ticket candidate in each state to be boycotted ? As a side benefit we also remove Coalition control of the senate, which they've so abused since 2004.

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SUZANA MAJSTOROVIC
October 6th, 2007

Money, greed, power & corruption - that's the altar that all politicians kneel before. A pox on Liberal & Labour - they are all the same.
No-one stands out as a leader in society for whats right & wrong anymore. No wonder our society looks to movie stars, rock stars & sports star not as icons, but as heros - look who we have to serve up as alernatives - spineless politicians.

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Warwick & Joan Hilton
October 6th, 2007

Why are we being told that this proposed mill is"worlds best practice" when existing mills in Sweden put out effluents of a much higher standard?

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Joanne Harris
October 6th, 2007

Your comment
Can someone please tell me why we need to continually produce more paper rather than concentrating on recycling old paper products into useful paper. I find it difficult to buy any products that are printed on recycled paper and there is so much paper wasted. We need to concentrate our efforts on only producing what is really necessary. We cannot continue to live a life where we have what we want. Just look at how much paper is wasted on magazines and newspapers each year that could be accessed via the internet. Wake up everyone we need to change the way we live. This pulp mill is outrageous and to say it is world's best practice does not make it good practice.
use paper and stopped

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Michael Randall
October 6th, 2007

I fully agree that it is the wrong mill and definitely in the wrong place but it astounds me that if so many people are opposed to the project why haven't the 2 major parties opposed it as well. I think the answer is that not enough Tasmanians are opposed to it therefore candidates against the mill will not get the local votes to be elected. It's the local voters who are forcing the major parties to agree to the mill. So change their hearts & minds and maybe Peter Garrett will have something to campaign for. Don't give up on him. Why would anyone publicly support something that would cost them government? Stir the devils in Tassie!

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linda
October 6th, 2007

when will a political party make a commitment to hemp production and support a new cleaner mill to process it. hemp is easy to harvest and would save our forests

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Chris Hargreaves
October 6th, 2007

If the politicians are so concerned about jobs, how about spending as much on renewable/ recycling as they do on carbon based/ fossil fuel industries. Then and only then could you say they were fair dinkum. But no....another environmental disaster looming to save a marginal seat. Give it a rest. In this day and age of planet earth being trashed to death, surely we can look at better alternatives that may benefit us all in the long term and not constantly rely on short term economics. It really is time to think globally on an economic scale as well as on an environmental scale. This medieval industrial revolution thinking has had its time. We must look forward and be innovative, otherwise the consequences will be frightning.Sounds a little like real socialism??. So what. Pure capitalism ain't working.

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October 6th, 2007

That Malcolm Turnbull supported this doesn't surprise me but I am aghast at Peter Garrett. The Labour Party has put political expediency ahead of a true committment to the environment. Peter Garrett would know that the "scientific" justification for this project has holes in it and that there is no commitment to halt this company's operations if the promised monitoring reveals adverse enviromental impacts. Peter Garrett you have become a Labour party puppet.

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Paul de Burgh-Day
October 6th, 2007

CONGRATULATIONS TO GETUP AND ITS 200+K MEMBERS!

As I write this, there have been more than 1050 comments on this corrupt pulp mill decision. This is, I would have thought, extraordinary!
I have not been through all the comments - but of the 100+ that I have skimmed, I've only seen one in favour of Turnbull/Garrett/Lennon.

Turnbull should be feeling very uncomfortable right now - and Garrett.

The political pundits who have said the pulp mill is now finished as a federal election issue are looking rather silly!

John Paul is off with the fairies if he thinks the Tasmanian community will put this divisive issue (that he created) behind them. The rift is now even deeper and more intense.

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October 6th, 2007

I am bitterly, bitterly disappointed by this decision. It's a decision I expected from the Conservatives considering their credentials on things environmental ("Global warming? What global warming???") But my heart breaks at the stance taken by this gutless, me-tooist ALP and in particular Peter Garrett. What has happened to you Pete? We all knew it would be tough for you in a beast like the ALP but I thought you were made of stronger stuff. Yes, I know this is all about avoiding the usual Howard wedge but for goodness sake fight for what is right. If you are going to go down, go down with some dignity. The simple economic facts of the Gunns Pulp Mill is that it is UNECONOMIC! It is a bad business model and can only survive with the aid of massive financial assistance from governments. The people of Tassie don't want it and it's finacially unviable without government hand outs. Work it out Peter!

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October 6th, 2007

i dont care if tasmania ends up glowing in the dark as long as labor wins those two marginals.howard must lose.

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Veronica Wright
October 6th, 2007

Veronica Wright, extremely concerned citizen has a question for Mr Garrett.
Why is Labor supporting a "world class" mill for Tasmania at all. Why is wood pulping a suitable industry for Tasmania which at least still has some original forest left. The "best practice environmental standard" should be preserving what's left.
If it's about jobs, remember it was not all that long ago Australia had a whaling industry. We didn't keep whaling going when its impact on the environment was recognised.
I am certainly not convinced about any monitoring arrangement. What will happen if Gunns fail to meet standards. How do we get the damage undone?
I will participate in any action whatsover to stop this dreadful decision.

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Helen Stanley
October 6th, 2007

No Mills for the Tamr Valley!!!

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Richard Ure
October 6th, 2007

Malcolm Turnbull's signing off on this project is for keeps. In practical terms, this is a blank cheque to pillage Tasmania's native forests for 50 years. And after all the money is invested and the workers employed in marginal seats which government will close it down if it fails to comply with the "stringent conditions"?

In Today's SMH, Alan Ramsay reports "Tasmania is the only Australian state that still clear-fells its native forests, turns its eucalypts into chips and incinerates the rest." His piece at http://tinyurl.com/2r38ru should be read by every GetUp member to obtain an understanding of what Turnbull and Garrett have agreed to. The penny seems to be dropping in Wentworth thanks to Geoff Cousins but it needs to go beyond that.

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Joanna van Kool
October 6th, 2007

Your comment This would seem to me to be yet another example of greed's domintation over need's. There does not need to be a pulp mill in Tasmania. More especially in the Tamar Valley. Employment ( the constant reason given for needing the mill) could be found on creating renewable plantations. We cannot get back old trees, we cannot get back destroyed flora and fauna. This is not hysteria, but a known fact. I suspect Malcolm Turnbull has dug his political grave over this issue and he's not as guilty of greed over this as the owners of the pulp mill.

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Susan McMahon
October 6th, 2007

Mickey Randall, opposition to this mill is running at about 65% in Tasmania - most polls have shown that fervent support is only in the low 20%. Our problem in Tasmania is that both Labor and Liberal are well cosied up with Gunns, because they are both in receipt of large donations from that company. It is very corrupt - openly so, but I think that word has been excised from Paul Lennon's dictionary.
The Greens and a few brave independant-minded politicians have come out against the proposal not only on environmental grounds, but also because there has been a denial of democratic rights here. We have no corruption watchdog and no means of getting up a Royal Commission, since that would have to be instigated by the government - as if that would ever happen.
The Greens have been marginalized by a successful vilification regime - its a wonder that anyone with 'green' tendencies is not made to wear a green star, it is that bad.
We have been feeling increasingly desperate because we know what has happened here is fundamentally very wrong - the anger and frustration is very palpable on the ground - make no mistake about that. Things are at boiling point and set to erupt big-time the minute they turn a sod at Longreach (NOT Bell Bay, incidentally) Tasmania does NOT want this behemoth, but it is hard to make the decision-makers sit up and take notice.
They WILL take notice, however, when the excrement hits the Expelair. Desperate people will take desperate measures to protect their lives and livelihoods, make no mistake about that.

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Rob
October 6th, 2007

I expected as much of Turnbull. But to Peter Garrett I have only two questions - 1. When did you decide to sell your soul? 2. How much was the asking price?

I was never going to vote labour in the coming election. Now I have no one to vote for. I am utterly ashamed of my country. The last moral fibre has been shredded.

Peter Garrett - when you finally find some guts we'll all know because you'll start sounding like the environmentalist you were and stop sounding like the unethical major party stooge you have become. I can only pray that the change will come sooner rather than later. If you win the election enjoy your turn at the swill mate. But remember that when you're gone from politics your legacy - the one you are creating - will be your mark on the world. What legacy are you creating?

Rob.

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coral sechtig
October 6th, 2007

well I can only agree with your comments and hope we can yet win this fight. Lets hope Labour party will stand up for whats right here.

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Paul Palmer
October 6th, 2007

I just sent this email to anz, economics @anz.com, try doing something simiular
Dear Mr Eslake,

I note with great concern that your institution is hell bent on making millions of dollars from Gunn’s’ pulp mill. Although I am not a customer of your bank, please be aware I will do all in my power to ensure your losses will be greater than any potential profit you could make from Gunn’s destruction of our shared environment. Gunn’s pulp mill will release some 10 million tonnes of CO2 into the carbon cycle per year. That is the equivalent of 2.5 per cent of Australia’s current emissions.

I am currently a volunteer forest fire fighter as is my son. The long term decline in rainfall is increasing the severity and occurrence of wild fires which people like myself and my son will be placed at increasing risk to extinguish and protect the lives of others.
With economists like yourself demanding strict fiscal policy preventing fire services being equipped with first class equipment, I think it’s only fair you accept your responsibilities to all Australians and not fund Gunn’s pulp mill.

Paul Palmer

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Glenn M. Bendall
October 6th, 2007

It is surely basic logical lunacy to build one of the world's largest pulp mills on a tiny unique island like Tas. & claim it to be environmentally friendly - what absolute crap, with the main winners being Gunn's shareholders, the big losers the majority of Tasmanians & a desicrated Tasmania to bequeath to our children. Only dictatorial governments override the wishes of its citizens or one's beholden to Gunns as appears so here? NO MILL thanks, or can't our dick head leaders understand a simple message? Glenn Bendall

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October 6th, 2007

Such a beautiful island is Tasmania. One of the last remaining wilderness areas left in the world. Why are politicians so insensitive to the damaging impact this mill will have on the people and the air quality of the surrounding environment?

This planet is the only one we'll ever get and our greedy leaders with dollars for eyes are fast destroying it around us instead of looking after our interests!

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October 6th, 2007

if a majority of people in tasmania were against the mill both political partys would be fighting each other to oppose it.

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coral sechtig
October 6th, 2007

Just in case there was any misunderstanding re my last comment. I hope the Labour Party stands up against this pulp mill and any further damage to Tasmanias beautiful forests.
Last time I was there I drove through an industrial forest and saw what devastation it caused. I found it heartbreaking. Also I would think that as many jobs could be found in tourism as in woodchip industry.

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Anne Bolton
October 6th, 2007

I'm not surprised that Mr. Turnbull gave the go head, this is part of Howard's policy, the new 'environmentalist! But Peter Garrett is beyond belief! The majority of grass-roots Australians wish Australia to stop the destruction taking place and saving something very unique for their children and grand children

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davis clayton
October 6th, 2007

Go Greens

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Ann
October 6th, 2007

I am sorry to the squeamish, but I have to post this link as it is a Gunns news item that should never be forgotten:
http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/transcript_1205.asp.
Quotation: GRAHAM DAVIS (channel 9): ...How do you feel about protected species dying for your business? > JOHN GAY (Gunns): Well, there's too many of them and we need to keep them at a reasonable level.
I found this link at:
http://www.mcgunns.com/wombat-poster.html. This site also has stickers, which I might try to replicate and place on my bike. Remember that there is always hope.

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amy perlberg
October 6th, 2007

shame, shame.....how is Peter Garrett sleeping @ nite....what a woeful development!!!!!!!

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Nell Brown
October 6th, 2007

It does not matter how 'environmentally friendly' this pulp mill is deemed to be. The very fact that Gunns is spending so much on building it says it all.
The systematic rape for decades of old growth forest, not for beautiful timber, not for housing, but for disposable paper goods.

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Jeff Beazley
October 6th, 2007

After listening to the Chief Scientist on the Jon Faine program yesterday, nobody could have any confidence in his report being anything other than a Liberal Party document. Australia needs an independent Chief Scientist and this mill needs independent scientific scrutiny.

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Senator Lyn Allison
October 6th, 2007

The Democrats are right behind the campaign to stop this pulp mill.

It's certainly not world's best practice, unless you compare it to pulp mills in developing countries and in consuming 3.2 billion cubic meters of timber a year, it's certain to increase the take from native forests, including old growth.

How hypocritical it is for the federal government to be spending hundreds of millions funding more 'security' to stop Indonesian villagers chopping down their greenhouse gas absorbing forests while sanctioning endless clearing of Tasmania so Gunns can spew 10 MT of emissions into the atmosphere and make a killing in the process.

The discharge of 64 million litres of effluent into Bass Strait where currents will concentrate, not disperse the contamination will damage irreparably the marine environment.

The approval process was corrupted, not just 'shambolic' as Peter Garrett puts it, and shows how environment protection laws mean nothing to governments (and oppositions) in the pockets of powerful natural resource exploiters like Gunns.

Voters can and should teach the major parties a lesson on election day, that making a mockery of sustainability and the need for deep cuts in greenhouse emissions is not on.



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oscar allende
October 6th, 2007

i dont care if tasmania ends up glowing in the dark as long as labor wins those two marginals.the enviromental movement can not deliver government to labor.the greens should focus on increasing oposition to the mill in tasmania so that they can bring some value to the political table,otherwise stay out of the way.

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October 6th, 2007

The toughest environmental conditions are yet to come if we allow this precedent to be set.
Best practice for the environment now is 'NO COMPROMISE'. How long do we have to wait before there is nothing left to compromise with?
We all need to start living by our means.
Reduce comes before re-use and recycle and if we all weren't so greedy, we would be content.

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Merilyn Howorth
October 6th, 2007

If I had any power to help you I would Judith. I hear the desperation and fear in your voice and I feel for you. All I can do I have done - put my weak little words out there and hop e that more people will listen and support you.
I agree that this mill is the last development we should be allowing if we really believe that climate change is real. We should be doing all in our power to STOP such developments not encourage them.
World people power saved the ozone layer from further damage more than a decade ago. We must have faith that people power will again do what it must to turn climate change around and that includes stopping this mill.

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Jack & Rita Frederiks
October 6th, 2007

We fully condemn the Pulp mill, and are saddened that our government sees fit to rape mother nature, our earth is showing all the signs of distress and yet money seems to be the ruler here and not common sense.Surely we can cut down on our usage of paper,water,eletricity,etc and maybe take a step forward by going backwards to the days when people cared,about their families, their neighbourhoods, their cities, and our Dear Mother Nature, maybe we should have volunteer pollies who do it for the love of it, and not the power or the money...where are those individuals???
We are fighting against a desalination plant here in Wonthaggi..we are continually told we are having it,but we do not want it or need it...Somebody help!

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Lee-Anne Raymond
October 6th, 2007

Not sure what sickens me more; the "management" speak now oozing even from Peter Garret's lips (really lame Peter), or the fact that a pulp mill is seen as an economically viable industry in 3rd millennia Australia. It is third world, devoid of imagination, economic rationalism that welcomes such a decision. "It's a set back for your country..." as the lyric goes.
The surreal rationalising of the decision will continue, the truth being the short term goal is much more base, the stench of this is obvious. It surprises me still that politicians think we are all fools for them to spin and "manage" a lie to. I have some faith our political system is intelligent, but I see no evidence of that in this matter.

Environmental and societal concerns are void, this type of mill, this type of business could care less. Our politicians welcome it, are they mad?

Gunns are only in it until they strip the resource bare, they will move on. We will be left with the mess, the scars, the lies and the money will go elsewhere.

We're apparently a smart Country but our politicians have no imagination. We, (I) deserve and expect better than this.

When political motivations are separated from Community (big picture) motivations the result is bad news for the Community.

Lee-Anne Raymond

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Fergus Fricke
October 6th, 2007

Neither Malcolm Turnbull nor Peter Garrett have said what will happen if, when the pulp mill is in production, the environmental monitoring shows that the "world's toughest environmental conditions" are not met. After Gunns have spent $1.7 billion on building the mill it is unlikely be shut down even for a day. Can we have a core promise that as soon as any environmental condition is exceeded the mill will automatically and independently be shut down?

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Catherine Cameron
October 6th, 2007

"WORLDS BEST PRACTICE" ?? Like it is at MARALINGA ??? GOD HELP US ALL.

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Tracey
October 6th, 2007

Mr Garrett- I used to respect you....

Toughest conditions.... what a joke.

Go the Greens!

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Pat Dowling
October 6th, 2007

Thanks for the opportunity to express my absolute disgust at both the Federal Government and the Labor Government's decisions to allow this mill to go ahead. When will they take responsibility to prevent Australia from becoming a wasteland by their allowing our old growth and native forests to be clear felled and wood chipped, and the rest of the country to become one giant quarry?

Tasmania was the hidden 'jewel in the crown' of Australian tourism. It could also be a world leading supplier of clean, green food and seafood. Sadly these short-term government decisions are destroying the beauty, lifestyle and uniqueness of our country.

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October 6th, 2007

to be expected from malcom but shame peter shame

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Russell Clemens
October 6th, 2007

A. White (below) suggests: "We supposedly live in a democracy. I would suggest it is a kleptocracy, ...".

I would comment that as far as democracy is concerned -- it is, alas, representative democracy, and not participative democracy. The latter is emerging with the likes of GETUP! at work. We have the IT infrastructure available now to vote online with ease, so why don't we develop a convention that says these types of divisive issues must be put to the people?

Which leads me to the second point: the system is actually a plutocracy (by the wealthy) as very few of either major party are less than millionaires – many are ‘multi…’ and will be even more so after they leave and start their next career as high paid consultants for the wealthy. I’m not arguing against wealth, but it does skew the values systems towards obvious ends. Little people only count in marginal electorates every three years (and now they want 4).

I think we have a complete absurdity in Australia now. The word ‘Liberal’ to describe the conservative end of the stick, and ‘Labor’ to describe what are now obviously emerging middle class bourgeoisie values. So where are the little people? No voice as usual. Off with the football player ‘heroes’ on amphetamine trips – the opium of choice today it seems for those that peddle the quick answer to the fading dreams of the powerless.

It would seem to me that the ‘owner-worker’ divide is now largely a myth. With the corrupted tax system, the vast majority of Australian are working (and voting) in a business model as owners – even if their ‘business’ its nothing more than a glorified shovel called a ditch digger. Given that alone provides a nice fuel subsidy and another aspiring accountant to ‘work the books’ how can we expect rational thinking and decision making?

Politically we simply have bourgeoisie Team A vs. bourgeoisie Team B with the thinking fringe brocaded on the edge like an algae afterthought. No wonder there is so much anger and outrage at the complexity of it all – most of it manufactured by these managers we elect every 3 years to run our collective affairs. The answer? I can see none really until we change some of the basic fundamentals – like removing the ‘ltd.’ on company names such that those who invest are held accountable for the mess – and into the longer-term. If the authorities can trace bin Laden emails back a decade they can also trace the $1 you and I invest. It used to be ‘Buyer beware’ – I think the future is more likely to be “Investor Beware”. It is only then, when future wealth is at risk through being accountable for the mess at a private level (rather than public cost) that we will see the Plutocrats come to heal ... and of course the growing criminal class in suits who supp often at the same table.

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Bernadette Young
October 6th, 2007

Its extraordinary that this decision has been made for many reasons, not the least being the extraordinary contradiction from a Government who has promised leadership on Climate change. Are they so blinkered that they cannot see the relationship between this decision which will so adversely affect the remaining Tasmanian forests-carbon sinks-and the wonderful marine envirionment- carbon sinks- of Bass Strait.THERE IS A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ALL PRECIOUS PARTS OF OF ENVIRONMENT, THE PROBLEM IN THE PAST HAS BEEN THIS HAS NOT BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED- ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE ON THIS WAY. I will try to support opposition to this Mill in any and everyway possible.

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Jenny Luesby
October 6th, 2007

The decision to allow this pulp mill flies in the face of common sense. For many reasons to do with health, the environment and global warming, we, as a nation should be reducing our logging and definitely not logging any more old-growth forests. 200 years of land clearing has turned productive land into marginal land and marginal land into desert. This has probably changed our climate as well. Where are the trees going to come from to feed this pulp mill? Quite apart from the other massive problems of air and water pollution! Will Gunns be leveling old growth forests and replanting in their place just to claim that they are using plantation timber? You betcha! When are we going to start making decisions for the good of this country and its inhabitants, rather than for profit alone? Was the automobile abandoned to save the jobs of carriage makers, wheelwrights and stable hands? Was the computer abandoned to save all the clerical jobs? Do we keep an unsustainable logging industry to save logging jobs? If we do, we're using that as an excuse to allow companies like Gunns to rape the environment for profit.

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Simon Greenaway
October 6th, 2007

Turnbull makes me sick. He promised faithfully that we would all hear that chief scientists' report before the mill decision, then he reneged and claimed he never offered to have us hear it first
What a two faced liar. What a cheater. If that is how Liberals act then to hell with them
As to Garrett I am guessing that he felt trapped especially when the biased media highlighted seats that would fall to the Libs if he opposed the mill. But I have heard him at face and I think that I will give him one chance to prove his mettle by voting for his party.

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Barry Brady
October 6th, 2007

When the Howard government was elected eleven years ago I thought it was hilarious. I haven't laughed since...please bring on the election ....

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janine szylo
October 6th, 2007

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I am disgusted at Mr Turnbull's decision and Mr Garrett is obviousely toeing the Labor party line. I will be supporting Greens in an effort to stop the pulp mill. However, I recognise we need to work to ensure there are alternative environmentally friendly opportunities for those who would be affected if the mill does not go ahead

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Darri Adamson
October 6th, 2007

It might be "world's best practice", but that can only mean that world's best practice just isn't good enough.

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Robin Banks
October 6th, 2007

I am extremely disappointed both in the decision by Malcolm Turnbull and the ALP position on the decision. The decision should not be made until all of the environmental, social and economic impacts are considered. The decision does not take into account the impact on Tasmania's forests, the small but important local farming and other industries or properly take account of whether turning trees into paper pulp is a sustainable approach to paper production.

This is an issue for all Australians: government decisions that fail to ask for and consider all of the relevant information are fundamentally flawed and are not good policy. Enough of this election game playing and get on with governing for all instead of governing for big business.

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Anne White
October 6th, 2007

I am totally horrified that Peter Garrett has sold out on this matter. I have admired him, and the sentiments he has expressed, through his music for many years and now, damn it, I find that he is just a Politician after all.
I expect nothing of the Liberal government, so Turnbull's decision is no surprise.
Labor, GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER before it is too late. I am starting to doubt your vision.

GO GREENS.

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Cristina Scott
October 6th, 2007

Dioxins are among the most potent carcinogenic and mutagenic compounds in the world - just ask the North Vietnamese who were exposed to Agent Orange during the Vietnam War. "World's best practice" is simply not good enough. The effluent leaving the proposed pulp mill will contain dioxins and it will pose a threat to both human and marine life. The knowledge that such waste products are being emptied into the waters around Tasmania will do irreparable damage to Tasmania's tourist industry and especially to Tasmania's reputation as the source of clean, green export produce and seafood. All this and the destruction of old growth forests as well!!! What planet do these politicians live on??

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Ben Davidson
October 6th, 2007

Oh no Peter! Politics corrupts so quickly?

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stina kerans
October 6th, 2007

Is it really a good use of resources? What about following the Netherlands and begin shifting our taxation base from industrial based taxes to Knowledge Age and Cyber Economy Aged taxes????
Industrial Age Taxes is based on:-
labour
income
sales
value adding.
Knowledge Age Taxes is based on:-
pollution
land use
energy
non-renewable resources.
Industrial Age system is going to be increasingly hard and disadvantageous to harvest taxes from, in global cyberspace. We need new tax laws based on resources – Knowledge Age taxes would be easy to define and collect, and would make explicit the real costs, which today’s market system doesn’t capture. The Netherlands, as I said before, has already begun this systematic transfer of its taxation base.
Lets keep up the presure - wonderful to find so many people prepared to act via the wonderful computer!
Cheers,
Stina


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Diane Sattler
October 6th, 2007

I would be happy at see the government pour money into businesses in the area or create a sustainable, non environment damaging industry if it meant providing jobs for those who would be otherise working at the Mill. Then again will the mill be providing jobs for Australians or from overseas?
Our children and the wildlife are the losers here. (The average Australian alone pours millions of litres of poisons into the earth every year to kill 'weeds' etc. )Shame on the money hungry, self protecting politions. Together we have to keep fighting to overide the wrong decisions by those who think they know what we want. Who will be cleaning up the damage in years to come, who will be paying for the clean up? Our children of course. Peter Garrett won't get my vote. Thank god for the GREENS, someone cares.If there is a dollar behind it you cant trust anyone.

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Gavin Minor
October 6th, 2007

I am VERY disappointed that Turnbull has given the ok for this. It is an absolute outrage.

I should point out though - that politically, it may not be the wisest thing for Peter Garrett and labor to have openly protested against the mill. Let's not forget what happened to Latham in the LAST election when he did the same thing - he got caned by workers & unions of Tasmania, and it contributed towards his loss, and another painful term of terrible Liberals. Let's be realistic, Labor have to just see out this next month and fly under the radar and do whatever is necessary to get in power, THEN they will be in a position to set things right. It woudlnt be worth jeapordising that opportunity for a protest, that wouldnt, and couldnt have stopped the mill from happening anyway.

Although I 100% disagree with the Mill, I could understand Labor avoiding the issue until they WIN the election. I just HOPE that they do something about it after they get in power.

Us on the other hand, don't have to play these political games, and I don't think we should lay down and take this. It is an absolute outrage and we shoudlnt stand for it. I hope to see STONG protest from Australians, and think we should act, sign petitions, and not let this one slide. I hope that getup can organise some large scale action.

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Linda Evans
October 6th, 2007

I'm appalled at Peter Garrett's complacency over the pulp mill in Tasmania. I've always been a Labour supporter but now Labour has shown how weak it is when it comes to the environment. It should be at the top of their priority list.
I certainly don't want Howard to get in again but I am very concerned that Labour doesn't have a better alternative plan for our future and especially the environment. Very disappointed and concerned. What will we do when all the trees are gone? We can't eat or breathe money.

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Helen Davison
October 6th, 2007

Your comment The Hydro used to be more powerful than the Tasmanian government. Now Gunns are! What will happen when the trees run out?????????????????

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Tony Waters
October 6th, 2007

The federal government is not interested in the concerns of people only about profits they are always pushing the anti union barrow whilst being backed by the employers unions which call themselves federations or for example the H R Nichols society these sinister organisation have one agenda and that is profit they couldnt give a damn about the environment or people they will lie and promise the earth until the election is over and then take it all back.

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lynda birch
October 6th, 2007

Where are our visionaries? Where are the politicians who can look beyond today and their short sighted view of what's beneficial on all fronts even for today?
Vote Green, the only party who has a broad and realistic view of tomorrow and today.

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Tony Waters
October 6th, 2007

The federal government is not interested in the concerns of people only about profits they are always pushing the anti union barrow whilst being backed by the employers unions which call themselves federations or for example the H R Nichols society these sinister organisation have one agenda and that is profit they couldnt give a damn about the environment or people they will lie and promise the earth until the election is over and then take it all back.

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Heather Winter
October 6th, 2007

I beleive from comments by Bob Brown that the mill does not comply with world environmental standards in which Sweden is taking this leding example. Apparently the mill in Sweden does not use this chlorination process which means that dioxins, will be released into the environment which is a dsaster in such a prisitn area. This is not in line with world environmental protection of the environment. Also I beleive Bob Brown in that the mill is illegal in that the decision has not been made consistent with obligations under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999.

I am opposed to the Mill for all the above reason, which outline a dishonest response to the Australian Public by both ministers for the environment, Labor and Liberal. We deserve opne and honest transparent discussion with regards to any envirnomental policies and development.

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Paul Palmer
October 6th, 2007

Ok so everyone is appalled by the gunns approval so what are you all going to do about it other than vent your spleen?

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Christopher Bakewell
October 6th, 2007

I am appalled by Malcolm Turnbull's decision.This was his chance to be seen as a man of vision, integrity and courage, but he has failed on all three.

Gunns is not known as a company to be trusted. It is driven by profit and greed. Our country deserves better. We call on other nations to exercise restraint on global warming, deforestation and environmental destruction but here we are doing the very opposite ourselves. This is rampant hypocrisy and makes us laughing stock in this region.

This pulp mill is NOT world's best practice. 10 million tonnes of greenhouse gases into the environment annually is a shocking inditement on any government. A total abrogation of responsibility. Mr Turnbull refers to the advice of the Chief Scientist, Jim Peacock. Who is employing him? How come other international scientist don't agree with this claim of best practise? Sweden does not allow any dioxins to be released.

As for Mr Garrett: Peter, you were once President of the ACF. You would never have approved this then. What has happened to you and your values? Today I spoke to Mark Dreyfus, the aspiring member for Isaccs, in my electorate. He had my vote until now. But I had to tell him Labour has lost another would be vote, unless there is a change. There still is time.
Chris Bakewell

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Candy Scown
October 6th, 2007

Jobs which exploit the environment are just not on. We are just beginning to come to terms with the impacts that our our actions are having on the climate. Lets not compound the problem. The economy is just a man made system - it is time we made it work for us not against us. "Remember, our problems were once solutions". It is time we had a good hard look at the economy because what is done in the name of profit is all too often insupportable. As David Suzuki said "Growth in a limited environment is like a cancer... it will kill the host".
Candy Scown

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Patricia MacDonald
October 6th, 2007

I was dismayed when Malcolm Turnbull announced that the mill was going to be built. But I felt like i'd had a kick in the guts when Peter Garrett said that the Labor Party
supported the mill. Being a long time labor supporter I expected more from him. They could have encouraged tourism in the area where people could visit and see pristine forest, instead we have a mill.

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Joc.
October 6th, 2007

Have some commonsense and stop the pulp mill development NOW.Protect our remaining Tasmanian Forests.
I am disgusted with Peter Garrett .
Paul Lennon should resign. He is a digrace to the Tasmanian people.

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Zerin Knight
October 6th, 2007

Why, oh why do our politicians display such myopic vision? Just as global warming has been ignored for too long and the lack of water acknowledged too late, it seems that we are now destined to destroy our beautiful environment and then wonder why preventative action wasn't taken long ago. For too long, the economy has taken precedence over everything else and we are suffering the slow but sure destruction of nature and under leaders with little or no social conscience. I understand that timber workers are worried about losing their jobs - there is no such thing as job security these days. Our government should be re-directing funding to establish other ways for Australians to earn a decent wage - things like tourism, knowledge, IT etc etc. Sadly, we are governed by big business. Thank you, GetUp! for giving us a voice. Let's hope our so-called leaders get the message loud and clear: IT'S TIME TO GET A BETTER BALANCE BETWEEN THE ECONOMY AND OTHER EQUALLY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS.

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Kirsty Kay
October 6th, 2007

I am a Tasmanian and an Ecologist. I and all of my friends are totally against this mill. It must be stopped. Our forests must be protected and this mill poses a major threat to the diversity of wildlife that only exists in Tasmania - no where else in the world are these species found. This proposal is a complete disgrace - has the full impact on our native wildlife been fully assessed as part of the environmental impact assessment process?? It is not good enough just to assess the impact of building the mill. The number of jobs that are to be generated once this mill is operational is peanuts compared to what we could gain through a proper focus on tourism. This mill must be stopped.

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Lorraine Taylor
October 6th, 2007

Am absolutely disgusted at Peter Garretts back down on supporting the environment Labour once again has let us down we are so determined to get Howard out of government but starting to feel Labour is bowing to pressure and not considering full picture. Would the Franklin have gone ahead under Labour and Lake PEDDER WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SAVED We are strong Labour voters but do not want to back clones of Howard Opposition is just that not a weak group curtailling to individual issues Peter was aa ndvocate for the envir, in him we had faith, not now hes just another puppet HAVE GUTS AND STAND AGAINST THIS THE WORLD NEEDS ALL HELP IT CAN GET . TAS IS IDEALIC AND A TREASURE IN IT'S OWN RIGHT DON'T LET THIS GO AHEAD.

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Guy W Manley
October 6th, 2007

I am a timber worker (furniture maker) who lives in the Tamar Valley. I am sickened by the sell out of the Tasmania environment by our politicians in both major parties both at State and Federal levels.

In my work, I attempt to get the best possible life expectancy of 200 years from my furniture. I do this by utilising reversible products such as hide glue and shellac and using traditional joinery techniques.

I was going to vote Labor in the upcoming Federal elections but will now vote Green.

If the ANZ bank finances the Gunns pulp mill I will close my accounts with them.

I will be protesting at Low Head tomorrow - 12:00 noon, 7th of October.

I ask all to please consider the following declaration from the French revolution:

"Sovereignty resides in the people, it is one and indivisible, imprescriptible and inalienable." – Les Declarations De L’ane Et De L’An III

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Yvonne Lynton Reid
October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett, how could you! What kind of political dance is this and who is calling your tune!?! Unless you can't actually read or haven't bothered to explore the issue independently, yYou all know very well that this whole process is flawed, that the increased conditions are a nonsense, that the "science" is ridiculous, that Gunns will try to do as they have always done, i.e. rape the planet for their own gain and continue to contribute to global warming at an increased and increasing rate.
You Labor blokes have totally misread the electorate if you think we are going to take this without a fight. I intended to vote Greens anyway, but I shall be pushing this message as far as I can among colleagues, friends and in my local community!

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October 6th, 2007

Turnbull IS a man of vision....for the World Bank!
Vote Independent, it's our only chnace to get rid of the corruption.
The BUCK stops here.

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Marie Dow
October 6th, 2007

Your comment
Our consumption must drastically reduce now, and this includes paper. We do not benefit from endless letterbox drops, glossy magazines, fullpage newspaper ads, newspapers twice as big as we need.
Certainly the measures to start halting climate change will affect everyone who gets dividend income from our excess consuming. Our leaders must tell us this and educate us to accept a pared back economy.

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Barry Green
October 6th, 2007

Milton Friedman would be extremely proud of Malcolm Turnbull and Peter Garrett.Not only have they said stuff the environment, peoples' health, livelihoods and financial future but have also agreed to support Gunns with over $800 million in government subsidies (i.e.subsidies Gunns' shareholders).Will they offer the same amount to those who suffer ill health or lose their livelihoods as a result of Gunns' mill?

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Graeme Wallis
October 6th, 2007

I will be writing to the ANZ bank and telling them if they continue to finance this project I will close my account. If they choose to withdraw I will shift my bankcard account to ANZ. If enough people around Australia were to do this we might actually see that we have some 'real' influence.

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Carmel Attard
October 6th, 2007

Most definitely Mr TurnBull will be Pulped in the Ballot Box .. he the malcolm turn Bull will be pulped to smitterins. Peter Garrett will be Shredded as he has become a puppet of Labour Politics ... SHAME Peter!

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Karen Wolter
October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett, shame on you!

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hannah
October 6th, 2007

no pulp mill! why not recycled paper?

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hannah
October 6th, 2007

no pulp mill! why not recycled paper?

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Deborah Thompson
October 6th, 2007

I think that the pulp mill proposed for Tasmania is tantamount to the last straw in our wanton disregard for our land and the environment. We are destroying our children's heritage and it is irreplaceable. Even the greediest of us have no other air to breathe than that which we all share. Even the greediest among us have no other food to eat than that which we can healthily grow. So what arrogance and nonsense this proposed pulp mill is. It is not supplying more jobs as Gunns are a huge mechanised monolpoly in Tasmania and are styfling competition and other vibrant enterprises. The government is corrupt on this one , I have no doubt at all and Labour is as much on the nose as Liberals. What a sham the Peter Garrett turned out to be. Until we have some men and women of integrity in our government we are in deep trouble. This is all of our fault for not making more fuss and getting and keeping the bastards honest.

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Kelvin Antaw
October 6th, 2007

Last election John Howard successfully managed to wedge Labor on Tasmania and as a consequence they lost two seats. Last election the Australian electorate basically punished Labor (and I can't blame them, Latham was NEVER suitable for PM).

John Howard has spent the last 12 months trying to wedge Labor at every turn. Essentially Howard has tried everything. I can't really blame Garrett, the decision has been made and there is nothing he could do to stop it (Turnbull made the decision).

To prevent being wedged and risk 2 of the 16 seats needed to form government Labor has gone along, which, given that they couldn't have affected the outcome anyway is probably all they could do. Remember, last election Labor put forward a rather proactive forest policy, Howard wedged Labor and the tasmanian electorate basically said that Howard was right (pro Timber) and Labor could get stuffed.

My disgust at Howard is such that as far as I'm concerned Labor needs to do nothing that gives Howard the ammunition he needs. Howard is amoral, he would sell his grandmother to remain in power and the electorate has demonstrated for 11 years that they will fall for his lies. At this point in time Labor should do whatever it takes to get to government. Once there they can start to repair the damage of 11 years of environmental, social, structural and cultural vandalism that Howard has commited.

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amy wark
October 6th, 2007

This is so sad.

Who votes for these people??

All the same, the more our hope inspires us to action, the better our chances of changing the world for the better.

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andy kaczmar
October 6th, 2007

Hi Peter, I await your next move. Actions speak louder than words!

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October 6th, 2007

Turnbull & garrets comments on this blog leave me unmoved and cold. The Greens and the resident of Tamar's comments really only bring the reality of the fatal decision to life and close, very close to truth.

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Carlos Almenara
October 6th, 2007

This decision was a foregone conclusion considering who we have in government. At least the electorate has already decided it has had enough of their dirty economic morality. What a shame that federal labor feel they need to neutralise this sort of issue. They have betrayed all of us who saw a ray of hope beyond the next election. Wake up Kevin. This is not the same political climate that turned on Latham. There are two main policy issues that will win this election and only one that cuts across all classes of people (including we dissafected ex-liberal voters), that is the protection of our environment. Let Peter Garrett off his leash! This conservative approach by labor diminishes what hope we had. I fear a Bush-style election win for Howard as our vote now splits towards greens and independants.

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David Nash
October 6th, 2007

With the pressure to make a decision on the pulp mill before the election, the Howard government could not risk losing the seats it had won as a result of Mark Latham’s attempt to end the logging of old-growth forests. So the pulp mill had to be approved, and ever so dutifully, the Labor party had to adopt an identical line, desperate to try to re-gain the seats it lost in 2004. Gunns are happy; the loggers are happy; but the real losers in this continuing tragedy of Tasmania’s forests are the Australian people, who will bear witness to the beautiful forests of Tasmania being turned into an “environmental abattoir”, to quote Bob Brown. And global warming? Well, only another 10 million tonnes of greenhouse gases will be released into the atmosphere each year, but this doesn’t concern the government; it never has. Evidently it doesn’t concern the Labor party either. This pulp mill decision shames Australia.

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Margaret Matters
October 6th, 2007

Tasmania has the potential to be one of only a few pristine wildenrness environments left on on the planet.
More jobs through eco tourism will continue to increase if the destruction of old growth forests ceases forthwith. It is amazing that so many people who return from holidaying in Tasmania, who are traditionally very conservative, are extremely dismayed at current levels of logging, let alone further logging. Long term plans which consider the wine, fishing and agricultural industries need to be put in place with adequte transitional arrangements that support workers are OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE.
Look at the outcomes associated with the retention of the Franklin River. THis pulp mill is of parallel significance and must be stopped.

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Malcolm Williams
October 6th, 2007

Sorry Peter, you are but a shadow of the original that I knew. Forget political expediency, stand up for what I think you really believe in. Christine and the The Greens definitely get my vote on this one.

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mora main
October 6th, 2007

When so much evidence points towards accelearting effects of CO2 emissions on our globe, ice caps melting, droughts raging, oceans acidifying, forests shrinking and storm frequency increasing, do our clever country's leaders really think that approving its mates' mad pulping scheme is intelligent? Jobs will be irrelevant when the climate crisis hits. Yet preserving what little is left of Tasmania's ancient and unique ecology, allowing natural forest regeneration and expanding protection of its waterways just might give us all a future. Some of the world's cleanest air is a tourist magnet. Jeopardise all this at our peril. We are not blind - we know the depth of the problems. Compounding them is truly irresponsible.

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Michelle Carpenter
October 6th, 2007

The approval of the Pulp Mill by Minister Turnbull goes to show the politicans do not listen to the people, they are only interested in the party to which they follow, this is also very clear in the response by Peter Garrett, whom once not so long ago made his living from singing songs about the care & protection of our earth & people, oh how he has now changed his views once again he too is Not listening to the people, only the party politics !! SO WEAK, & VERY DISAPPOINTING.

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Mark Gleeson
October 6th, 2007

A campaign to stop the mill is equivalent in importance to any Get Up has been involved in.

Given the time frames involved (Gunns want to commence construction in 4 - 8 weeks) a campaign against the mill should have the very highest priority at this time in my view.

As an organisational consultant I am happy to assist with strategy, facilitation or the development of innovative approaches.

Mark Gleeson

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Keith Mobbs
October 6th, 2007

Malcolm Turnbull's claim that the Gunns pulp mill approval was based on scientific evidence is laughable.
Since when was a scientific investigation conducted to exclude three major issues of inquiry.
Air pollution,timber preservation and small business effects were not considered in the report of the government chief scientist.
Turnbull and his government cohorts are a national disgrace hopefully soon to be consigned to the electoral dustbin.


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Tony Bernauer
October 6th, 2007

I was going to vote Labor for the first time in my voting life this election. Now ? Never. They're just as bad as the Government I want to remove. Election day in my electorate of Bennelong becomes more interesting :)

Shame on you Peter Garrett. I thought you were stronger in your beliefs. If I can't trust you then I won't trust any of your Labor cronies. Show some balls like you used to !

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Duncan Grant
October 6th, 2007

I am sorry, but I can no longer believe a word of Labor's environmental policy. Garrett is worse than Howard!

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Susan Keleher
October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett has taken surprisingly little time to turn from a man of vision and morality to, yes you guessed it, a POLITICIAN.
There is however one politician who has taken an admirable stand. Because of his strong opposition to the mill he has resigned from the Liberal Party and will now stand as an Independent for the seat of Lyons here in Tasmania. CONGRATULATIONS to Ben Quinn!!!
Unfortunately I am in the electorate of Bass where both the Labor candidate Jody Campbell and the sitting Liberal Michael Ferguson are hand in glove on the issue. Neither will be getting my vote.

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Ann & Ian Robson
October 6th, 2007

Peter Iam deeply disappointed,you sold out! The choice now is clear cut, I'm voting for the Greens.

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Christopher King
October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett and Malcolm Turnbull please read on...

This decision on the mill must be of the same international importance as the crisis in Burma!

World-class conditions? Well maybe on some aspects, but NO conditions control air emissions (which Mr Turnbull supposedly wants nothing to do with - 7.30 Report) or deforestation, which in itself is bad enough. Deforestation reduces the amount of oxygenating plants in the world's biosphere.

It is an international disgrace that Mr Turnbull has approved such an outrageous proposal by Gunns. How does he suppose to maintain the fishing, whine and tourism industries, when forests are being clear, habitat lost, and millions of tonnes CO2 are being produced annually? So much for an ENVIRONMENT minister who wants to almost totally eradicate international CO2 emissions by 2050!!

This may be why the governments holding out to call the election - they want construction to begin before the poll.

And Mr Garrett, I plea you to reconsider your position. Stand up for your personal beliefs, not those of Labor's factions. You will LOSE SO MANY VOTES by backing the mill. You can win these votes if you oppose Mr Turnbull and Gunns. Environment should come before politics and the economy (no matter what Mr Costello claims). Potential Labor supporters are now turning to Greens and independents.

Regain support by back-flipping NOW.

Remember:

If THERE'S NO ENVIRONMENT, THERE'S NO ECONOMY!!!

I and so many other Australian potential voters ask you to reconsider this terrible mistake.


I agree with previous comments, ALL OF US MUST THREATEN (IN WRITING) TO CLOSE OUR ANZ BANK ACCOUNTS.

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vicki Wakeling
October 6th, 2007

Your commentPeter Garrett, MP... I can't believe that YOU, of all people, would agree with this travesty! Apart from the sea & air pollution - when the forests that YOU, as a musician & environmentalist fought to retain, have been destroyed... the jobs will be gone! Please, I'm an ALP supporter, but if THIS is what it takes to become an ALP politician - I'll happily support the Greens!

Who was it who said that you're the Shadow Minister in search of a Shadow? Please, get a backbone.

Many ALP voters are looking to you to protect the environment that we all love. Don't let me down.

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Isabel Robinson
October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett has had to take a pragmatic stand on this issue; that is, do nothing that would stir up the enmity thrown at the Labor Party by Tasmanians at the last election. With the Liberal majority in the Senate, voters have foolishly given the government carte blanche to do what they like and there's nothing Labor can do to stop them. Too late for us to whinge when the electors have cut out the only authority Federal Labor had to reign in Howard and co's ideologically driven environmental vandalism.
However, Labor could do something about the Lemon that leads the Tassie state government.
Peter also needs to be extremely mindful that integrity is paramount, and unfortunately by keeping his true views silent, at least until after the election, he gives the appearance of having kow-towed to Gunns. Anyone who has visited Tassie can only be appalled at what that company has done / is doing to that state.

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Jan Venables
October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett. I am so ashamed that you have backed this mill, since in parliament your integrity has obviously been worn away by your associates. I used to value you and your ideas and values, but I must say I am VERY disappointed in you now. I had also heard that power corrupts and that absolute power absolutely corrupts, but I would have thought with your background you would have stood against the corruption. This is before you even get into power??
Please sit down and look at yourself, your integrity and your values and what has happened to you.

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Paul de Burgh-Day
October 6th, 2007

ALL AUSTRALIANS SHOULD BE OUTRAGED!

On one hand, the Howard government is warning that the largest agricultural regions of Australia are in dire straits due to continuous drought. There is little or no water available for irrigation. Our food production industry is facing very serious problems. It is now widely recognised that this is a consequence of climate change, and that it is more likely to get worse in the years ahead.

This will mean a big fall in exports, and it could cause real food supply shortages in Australia. Importing from China is NOT the answer! Prices for staples are already soaring.

On the other hand, one region of the country with much more reliable rainfall, that has the water supplies (if used wisely) to continue producing food is Tasmania.
So how bizarre is it that the Howard government is using taxpayer's dollars to provide huge tax write-offs to wealthy city investors through MIS (managed investment schemes), to buy up prime agricultural land for conversion to chemically dependent plantation monocultures? It goes without saying that the land sought by the plantation industry is where the rainfall is highest!
And guess what! The plantation corporations get the water for their trees for nothing!
Already, this has created havoc with Tasmania's hydrology. Countless once permanent streams that farmers could rely upon - even in the worst droughts - have now dried up through summers and autumns.

Add to this the relentless pressures on farmers from the constant push towards globalisation. Then there is state legislation that further facilitates the push for conversion to plantations.
No wonder many farmers are looking to get out! Too often their children can see no hope of a viable future.

Surely this is sheer lunacy?

Given the clear writing on the mainland wall, government should be bending over backwards to ensure the retention of all productive farmland in regions that are reasonably assured of good rainfall.

The Gunns pulp mill can only exacerbate this problem. Not only will the scale of clearfell slash and burn of natural forests increase - so too will the scale conversion of farming land to plantations. A recent announcement by Forestry Tasmania that henceforth, no natural forest will be converted to plantations will further ramp up the demand for conversion of farming land.

We, as citizens of this land, must demand of our governments that we produce at least enough food to feed ourselves.
To be actively creating a situation where Australian's could be dependent upon imported food to survive is madness.
In fact, it could well be considered to be an act of treason.

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Jan Venables
October 6th, 2007

To the Greens and Resident.

Keep fighting, I hope sense with win out in the end. I cannot believe what this Govt is thinking of, except money in THEIR pockets, I often wonder how much of akick back people get.
Here in the South Coast of NSW we had an issue with houses and numbers, plus taking away habitats and degredations, but there was nothing we could do. I HOPE you can win out, I will do all I can to support you.

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Diana Eriksen
October 6th, 2007

Ther are many people on the mainland that are behind you judith Don't give up.

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jai allison
October 6th, 2007

To anyone that will listen,

for one its great to see interest in the undoubtedly dodgy politics of Tasmania. However there are "supposedly" scientific aspects to this debate. The science would be obviously worlds best practice? and would have included all the social and environmental considerations, such as the fact that existing customers of Australian woodchips are just not going to get them because we are now selling them pulp? the fact that world heritage value forests are being removed to plant monoculture plantations to feed the mill? The greenhouse implications? these are the limitations of worlds best science and worlds best environmental management. maybe its time that we did lead the world?
good luck to peter if his team does make it, but im voting for the fishing party.

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Susan Keleher
October 6th, 2007

Peter Garrett has taken surprisingly little time to turn from a man of vision and morality to, yes you guessed it, a POLITICIAN.
There is however one politician who has taken an admirable stand. Because of his strong opposition to the mill he has resigned from the Liberal Party and will now stand as an Independent for the seat of Lyons here in Tassie. CONGRATULATIONS to Ben Quinn!!!
Unfortunately I am in the electorate of Bass where both the Labor candidate Jody Campbell and the sitting Liberal Michael Ferguson are hand in glove on the issue. Neither will be getting my vote.

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Diana Eriksen
October 6th, 2007

Could GetUp members join me in urging Peter Garrett to leave the Labor Party and run as an Independent? He is then free to oppose the pulp mill and regain his environmental credentials.Rudd has lost my interest with his disgraceful support of this iniquitous project. He is doing a Kim Beazley. I am not going to vote for him just because he speaks mandarin, which is now just about the only difference between him and John Howard. Tasmanian forests, rivers fisheries, vineyards and grazing land need to be protected. Come on Peter get back into the environmental fight again and save your soul

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Maire MacCana
October 6th, 2007

I am absolutely disgusted Mr. Turnbull thinks he can throw around the phrase world's best practice about this mill, when quite clearly, it is no-where near that. The people of Tasmania are in a very tough position- between Mr. Lennon, John Gay and now both Mr. Turnbull and Mr. Garrett refusing to recognise the impact of this mill, and we need the support of the international and national communities. NOT THIS MILL!

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Phillip Abbott
October 6th, 2007

A Pulp Mill with first world practice ( marketing campaign ) supported by political parties (political donations) with third world practice. This decision to subsidise a private company $847 million of taxpayers money to rape and forever destroy a National Asset is conclusive proof that monetary donations to political parties only delivers contrived govenance and a Democracy based on Graft. No doubt both parties will support my call to make all Australian Currency edible ( $100 having the highest nutritional value ) , thus ensuring Gunns can have the Peoples share , whilst our representatives can have their donations and eat them too.

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Roddie
October 6th, 2007

If the ANZ do bankroll this exercise in ecological vandalism I WILL be taking my mortgage elsewhere, and terminating my 5+ years relationship with the bank.

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Robbie O'Brien
October 6th, 2007

Well, conditions are nice... and when Gunns takes their massive government subsidy, ignore the conditions, rape and pillage another little bit of Tassie and walk away with a mighty profit we can all say 'oops, what a shame.'

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Brenton Rittberger
October 6th, 2007

Can we possibly spend money (2 billion dollars; the cost of the mill OR govt election advertising) on finding alternatives to forests being destroyed.Perhaps start by highligting all products that contain Tasmanian Forests.Then reduce or boycott those products.And Perhaps when GET UP invoices the govt for 2 billion a suggestion for better use of our money could be to fund Australian science to develop alternatives.
Perhaps we could use other cellulous and fibre like flax, straw or god forbid hemp but we might have to promise not to inhale.

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Philippa Bailey
October 6th, 2007

The proposed pulp mill will ruin the environment in the Tamar valley and has frightening implications for climate change. We are hearing on the one hand that the earth is in dire trouble in regard to climate change, and on the other that the pulp mill is a much needed business enterprise which will have no adverse effects on the area. The mill will have drastic implications for greenhouse gas emissions. Politicians on both sides are only looking at economic interests. Peter you`ve let me down!

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October 6th, 2007

Could Peter Garrett explain why it is that the Labor party supports 'a world class pulp mill' that will rely on old growth forest to make its profits? Time to cut the Labor Party of Tasmania adrift for its corrupt addiction to the forestry industry. What would they really lose by that?

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Stuart Drewer
October 7th, 2007

Everyone who is bagging Peter Garrett needs to ask themselves one simple question. If you had to choose between John Howard and Kevin Rudd as PM, and you obviously do, who would you choose? Politicians are not activists. We GetUp members are activists. Peter Garrett might once have been one too, but he is now a politician. He is the spokesman for the ALP on matters of the environment. He does not decide their policy by himself after having a quick glance at a few facts and figures. I'm sure he is just as passionate about the environment as he ever was, but every move Labor makes is with one goal in mind - the defeat of the Coalition. There's not much they can do before that happens. By all means, vote Green at the election. But make sure you direct your preferences to Labor.

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Jack
October 7th, 2007

I do not care how much the economy will prosper from this
"World class pulp mill" (I think I can live with a few billion less pieces of paper in the world)AND what about the environment tearing down old growth forest would be a grave mistake, it would alter climate and destroy entire ecosystems, not to mention utterly devastate the entire Tamar valley, So keep Australia Beautiful!!!

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Russell Clemens
October 7th, 2007

MALCOLM TURNBULL (Federal Minister for the Environment)

RE: Proposed Gunns Pulp Mill in Tasmania.

Dear Sir

Some time ago I emailed you on the issue of negative impacts on WA’s Burrup Rock Art by industry development. You said you would evaluate it. You did, and although some positives came out of this, nothing basic and fundamental seems to have changed. Big business rolls on over our ancient human heritage.

Now again I see you are making big news -- this time with a similar 'middle path' between the environment and big business in Tasmania.

I'm afraid, after these two events, you have lost any credibility with myself. If it is good enough for Mr. Abbott to defer a major Federal/State Health debate and decision process until after the next Federal election based on the logic that the future government is more responsible for sorting out the problem, a position I can understand as reasonable, then why is this Gunns issue any different?

I don't think you have acted wisely as the Minister for the Environment on this matter, rather what we would expect from a Minister for Development. Given the outrage that is pouring into GetUp.Org's blog on this issue, I think you should rethink your position and defer any approvals until after the next election. What is the hurry: it can only be a few weeks away?

It is true that you have shown up the Labor Party, and especially Mr. Garrett, on this issue but I think you may have unleashed a new force into the Greens movement. They will, without doubt, now have a very powerful position in the Senate and perhaps some greater say in the Lower House. This in itself may not be a bad thing, as we will benefit from hotly contested debate in the future: something sadly missing since the last election landslide to your party.

Can I suggest that you reverse your approval and enjoy the laugh with the rest of Australia as Labor ‘change their mind too’. It would be very shrewd move because: (a) you appear to be responding to democratic forces at work in public opinion; (b) you have signaled your intention should your party be returned; and (c) you cut the “us to … “ Labor machine adrift in policy limbo where increasingly they seem to be drifting in any case. In one swift move of public humility you will have shredded Garrett’s integrity into ‘midnight soil’ to be taken away in the next electoral night cart.

One thing is clear from the GetUp.Org blog feedback: your decision is not popular. But even stronger outrage seems to be leveled at the duplicity of an ex-pop star performer who seduced a generation of believers into providing him with a large bank account and a leg up into federal politics. Tony Blair was another one of these creatures who has just been booed off the stage – and I think Garrett will be following him soon. (I was too old to appreciate his music and message … and too cynical to see much difference from someone like Mick Jagger taking a ‘Sir Hood’ while he pounced round the stage as an angry radical).

And yourself, well I don’t see your party winning office this time round – just too much smell from the Hicks Affair, AWB scandle, Iraq invasion, Indigenous neglect and ‘Rambo reaction’ (and for me Burrup) to really make it. However, I think you yourself have a real chance in three years time as the natural successor of Howard – if you can keep the ‘bean-counting Costello’ from automatically assuming the mantle. Good luck in this future task. We might need an economist (or three) to watch the fiscal dials – but they have no value system adequate to run a modern country.

But, alas, for now I must remind you of what accountability means in a democracy. I have little power to impress you with, and I am not in your electorate or in your State. But I can request that you remove my email address from your distribution list – I now consider your nice email updates as SPAM.

I’ve settled on my vote: I’ll be voting Labor in the Lower House (to remove Howard & hopefully Ruddock & Downer) and Greens in the Upper to bring some debate back into our democracy.

I now look forward to the TV shots where Howard’s tears and trebling bottom lip out perform that previous (and now somewhat reformed) arrogant political player: Mr. Malcolm Fraser.

Thank you.

R Clemens
(WA)

Cc: senator.webber@aph.gov.au : GetUp blog.

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October 7th, 2007

This Mill will not bring prosperity to either Tasmania or Australia and that is a fact. Everyone knows that old growth forests will continue to be used to make the Mill just competitive and that will only happen if Gunns continue to get that timber for virtually nothing.

It is wrong to use the argument that long term jobs will be created as more jobs both within and without the industry will be lost than gained.
Already Gunns have been negligent in allowing herbicides sprayed on their plantations to get into drinking water on a disturbing number of times. They, not once warned people downstream of these events but simply maintained they had followed correct procedures. Is this what we can expect from Gunns when they have the Mill up and running.

MIS plantations required for the Mill will need to be increased to feed this monster. What of our lives, our rural communities our very existence?

Please Mr. Turnbull and Mr. Garret think a little longer on what is happening to tens of thousands of people here in Tasmania. We are facing a serious threat to our very way of life and I believe you know exactly what I am talking about. It is no coincidence that we are contending with a Mill, MIS plantations and the PAL policy non of which can be viewed as having anything positive for the rural residents of northern Tasmania.

Why can't YOU see and act on, what the majority of Tasmanians have seen and decided against. Why doesn't the will of the people, your masters, no longer have the democratic power to cause you both to do what is right.
I am tearfully heartened that at least one politician, Ben Quinn, has listened and has acted accordingly. My vote will go to him, should he stand for election.

Oh! and Mr. Turnbull basic school science tells us that you can only dilute a substance by adding more water if that substance will dissolve in the solvent. Dioxins will not dissolve no matter how much precious water is added but remain in the environment for organism to accumulate them up into the food chain.

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Susanne Wakeling
October 7th, 2007

It seems to me that with the current bombardment we are receiving in the media about continuous drought, loss of arable land, increases in temperature and other aspects of climate change, that this is a very strange time for the government, and the opposition, to be considering allowing the establishment of any industry that has the potential to damage one of our most precious ecosystems. This mill may be best practice but it is also one of the largest of its kind, and here it will be in one of the few places in southern Australia that still has a reasonable rainfall and arable land. When Australia is already importing food because of the continuous drought it seems ludicrous to me that our government would agree to subsidise any industry with the capacity to do such environmental damage as this mill. Politicians on both sides of parliament are betraying the nation by being willing to put profits ahead of Australia's future.

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kevin james
October 7th, 2007

This reinforces my opinion that politicians are just puppets,without funding from banks this will not go ahead,what bank would touch a hot potato like this.

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Paul Hunt
October 7th, 2007

I have no illusions that the decision to go ahead with the mill has more to do with economics than science. There is also no doubt that we have 2 major parties who operate with no regard to the wishes of an electorate and the concerns they have about the legacy we pass on to the next generation. The people we have working for us in government are too short sighted and without any philosophical backbone to look outside their own three year term. My support falls wholly behind the people of the Tamar Valley.

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Cheryl Morton
October 7th, 2007

Peter Garrett, I expected this from the Howard Government but I never expected this from you. You have sold out.

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Christine Zsizsmann
October 7th, 2007

It is appalling to me that profit and money are still taking precedence over the safety of human and animal life. When will human beings wake up?

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Christopher Monie
October 7th, 2007

No doubt many of you will have received Turnbull's explanation in your email last night.
In it he says [inter alia]:
'I have been very critical of the Tasmanian assessment process. The decision of the Lennon Government to abandon the assessment by the RPDC unfortunately undermined the trust of the people of Tasmania. The RPDC was, as is the usual practice, considering both State and Commonwealth environmental issues in a bilateral process. When Mr Lennon abandoned that process, I had no choice but to consider the Commonwealth issues myself and I have run a transparent and consultative Commonwealth assessment.'
I have asked the simple question: why did he have no choice?
I would have thought it was a simple matter to go back to the State and tell them to do their job properly before offering any decision under the EPBC (1999) Act.

AND Stuart Drewer, I think many people on this blog are taking the line that, if there is no difference between the ALP and the Coalition, it doesn't matter who wins in the House so long as neither of the grosser parties has a majority in the Senate.

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Christopher Monie
October 7th, 2007

Further to my recent post, I acknowledge that there was a response from Turnbull; not a whisper from Garrett or the ALP - signs of things to come?
And I agree with Esther - please rearrange the operation of the site so names are not displayed for those who would like to be anonymous

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Raylee Monro
October 7th, 2007

Lets stop the lies, this mill will not be "word's best practice," it is last century technology, Gunns chose the cheapest, dirtiest option.

A closed-loop, clorine free system is "worlds best practice."

Tasmania needs to establish a commission into official corruption.

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Brian Barnes
October 7th, 2007

I too am appalled at the governments decision to aprove the Tasmanian pulp mill. In my eyes Peter Garrett is a turncoat and Malcolm turnbull is so involved in his own self interests and so removed from the general person's way of thinking, that he is unable to make a just decision on their behalf.
I have for years been a strong supporter of the Libera Party and Mr Howard, but decisions like this, and their massive spend of taxpayers money on advertising has changed how i will vote, the Lib's loose my vote this time because, WRONG IS WRONG NO MATTER HOW YOU JUSTIFY IT.

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david porter
October 7th, 2007

much of the facts regarding this disastrous pulpmill construction was well expressed by alan ramsay in The SMH 8/10/07. however, the irresponsible decision to appove this disastrous monster & all it's environmental implications is nothing short of criminal.
as there is a viable alternative away from such a vital corridor up further north west that can operate without the dire consquences of the tamar valley makes matters worse. It's as if they decided on this site & "bugger you charly" that's it-full stop. that it will affect so many smaller industries such as wine, dairy ,lavender& many more, as well as tree destruction,no doubt serious pollution problems despite the assurances of turnble is beyond belief.
as for garrett, well, what can I say? all his environmental concerns pre labor selection have come to a nasty negative stop, as he went through his own mill{canberra} to become a weak,ghostlike figure of his former self. here was the opportunity for a stand that would establish his credentials as a future cabenet minister. a pox on him I say.

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Lin Fairlie
October 7th, 2007

Malcolm and Peter
Please tell me how, under the EPBC Act, this mill can be approved with conditions? I understood that the Act requires that all conditions be met BEFORE approval can be given. It is no use building infrastructure which then is not allowed to continue to operate because it cannot meet those conditions.

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freya headlam
October 7th, 2007

Hi Judith,
Good on you for your battle! I understand you must feel alone and deserted, but the strength of the opposition to the mill on the mainland seems to be very strong and in no danger of dying out. I have friends living in Launceston, originally from Melbourne, who are adding their voices to yours, and marching with other protesters whenever possible.
Here in Victoria we will continue to make oure voices heard , in my case via letters and/or emails to politicians. I am told letters are best - but emails are quicker of course. I gather that this is an extremely effective way of acting for change, even tho'it doesn't seem like it at times.

You might like to consider subscribing to The Age newspaper, I find it objective, informative and encouraging on most environmental matters including this one. They really seem to care what happens to the environment.
Good luck, and best wishes,
Freya Headlam
Glen Waverley (Melbourne)

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Suzi Tooke
October 7th, 2007

Kevin rudd promised us "an alternative not an echo". Where IS that alternative? If I don't want this pulp mill, who do I vote for? If I don't want uranium miniming, who do I vote for? I know ultimately I'll have to put a number next to one of the major parties on the ballot paper, but I feel I don't even want them to get my preferences, let alone my primary vote. Both sides are non-representativeof the wishes of the people and seem to be bending over backwards to help big businesses like Gunns and the uranium/nuclear industries.
Shame on Peter Garrett too, on both these issues.

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Denis Gunn
October 7th, 2007

I believe the current debate on whether or not to build a Tasmanian Pulp Mill should finally be put to rest. Having worked in the Pulp and Paper Industry for 17 years, I think it far preferable to turn woodchips into a value added product rather than export them to the highest bidder at what is best described as "give away prices". Tasmania needs sustainable industry to stop the youth of the state moving north for employment opportunities.
As a past school teacher Christine Milne should stop her anti development crusade and encourage the project. Peter and Malcolm have my support as does the project owners.

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Ruth Williams
October 7th, 2007

I've read all of the entries in this blog.

The overwhelming impression I am left with is the amazing amount of energy that has been unleashed in response to the pulp mill.

I have also felt it. For some reason, it has captured the attention and the concern of people from all walks of life; there of those who are long-time activists alongside others who find themself motivated to act in response to an issue such as this for the first time.

It's inspiring and exciting to see so many people declaring 'I've had enough'; whether it is in response to the behaviour of our politicians, our corporations or the destruction of the environment.

There are many interest groups that are not receiving fair coverage and one of these is Tasmania's indigenous population. While reading other websites and blogs on the issue, I came across this quote:

“For instance, several aboriginal heritages sites were located on the pulp mill site, one of these sites is regarded as a site of state significance. However, according to the SIA, “none of these sites will be directly impacted upon by the project” as they are to be incorporated into a reserve system within the pulp mill site (GHD: 2006: p52). The impact on aboriginal heritage values is hence regarded as being a minor negative impact (GHD: 2006: p55). The way in which the concerns of local aboriginal people are simply dismissed is both culturally insensitive & patronising. Local indigenous people have significant social, spiritual, and environmental concerns about their sacred sites being absorbed into the proposed pulp mill, yet these concerns are ignored.”

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Evaluation_of_the_Social_Impact_Assessment_of_the_Gunns_Ltd_Bell_Bay_Pulp_Mill

This is a major concern to me because it says so much about our relationship to the land and to the indigenous people of the land.

Other people have mentioned that if we are really so upset about what is happening with this mill, then we need to show this by changing the way we live. I think it is a great idea to put pressure on the banks and other groups that are financing the mill, after all, it is one way that we can show that we are not happy with what is occurring.

The other thing we need to do is stop using so much paper products, so that the demand for pulp is reduced as much as possible.

Our challenge will be to 'maintain the rage'. Everyone from advertising companies to politicians know that us human beings have a limited attention span. It's built into the structure of our brains. This means we have to consciously keep our attention on issues such as this that have awakened our consciousness and conscience.

GetUp does a great job at reminding us that there is a wide world out there that needs our attention. If this issue has moved you like no other before, then you owe it to yourself and to the people, flora and fauna that will benefit from the pulp mill not going ahead, to see it through to the end.
(I am speaking to myself as well as I type these words.)

One of the great things we have in this campaign is the example of the Franklin River. The fact that this decision was overturned by the 'power of the people' gives us hope and the strength to know that it can be done, so in those times when it all seems to much, we can think of the people who fought for the Franklin without any precedent to keep them going. Let's do it!


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marijke owen
October 7th, 2007

Dear Mr Garrett, I am very concerned if you will become our minister for the enviroment in the future, becuase it looks like it will be no better then the current efforts of the liberal government...........................long term commitment for an enviroment does not mean for the term you may be in office, but for our grandchildren's time and beyond.......I am saddened indeed, marijke

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Tilman Minzlaff
October 7th, 2007

October 9,2007
Peter Garrett,
you have sold your soul and what you once pretended to stand for. I don't know what you gained for it. You/the ALP could have had my vote for free. Not any more/at all.

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Emanuele Paletto
October 7th, 2007


Do you know one of the major underlying causes of this problem? Population growth (Currently unlimited and promoted).

Some questiions for discussion / thought:
Q_ How else will you employ those people, for the time being (more ppl in future), (jobs = one issue both parties are scared of).

Q_ How much more product / capacity will Gunn's customers want in future?

Q_ Which one was your opinion (slowly changing number on screen: http://www.optimumpopulation.org/index.html (U.S. Census Bureau))

Q_ How much is your your quality of life improving with each person moving into your street, suburb, country, globe?

Solution_ If you reduced population numbers, and relied on technologies instead of "timber" what Paradise on Earth would you would be living in?

The mill does benefit many people from employees to shareholders to customers. That includes you and I, just marginally e.g. more 'product'.

Conclusion: This type of issue and problem i.e. dam, and mill, will continue appearing and increasing in scale unless we reverse population growth and change the way we derive our wealth and population growth.
(Refer http://www.population.org.au/misc/popquotes.htm for quotes by eminent individuals)

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Christopher Monie
October 7th, 2007

Lyn Fairlie - is that right about the EPBC Act? If so, is it grounds for a legal challenge?
And Denis Gunn, are you related?

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Jane Whatnall
October 7th, 2007

I was very disappointed to hear of the approval of this pulp mill, and even moreso when I heard Peter Garrett was also supporting it. Good on you Christine Milne for continuing to fight this, we really need people like the Greens to protect the environment - Garret has been a huge disappointment.

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Pamela Scott-Holland
October 7th, 2007

In this day and age when, finally, the government has been dragged screaming into almost accepting that there is such a thing as climate change we are bombarded with the absolute insanity of approving a mill which will make climate change, as well as so many other things, worse. Who is connecting the dots in Canberra these days? A two year old chimp could make better more wholistic informed decisions. Don't you get it yet Mr Turnbull, if you keep wrecking the planet there will be nothing left to provide jobs for workers or dollars for greedy capitalists and you will go down in history as the narrow minded capitalist who did the deal with Gunns and wrecked Tasmania. What an achievement and just when you had the chance to stand up for principles, morals and the world - you blew it.
Labour is no better - mealy mouthed and doing anything to get a vote no matter what basic principles get stomped on.
Garret has sold out the environment and should be ashamed of himself. Give voters credit for having a brain and stop wrecking our environment and our children's lives and if you can't do that then get out of parliament.

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Jill Whittaker
October 7th, 2007

Whilst there is no doubt that the government needs to be changed, as if they are re-elected the environmental sweet nothings they have been whispering will stop, and Workchoices 2 will be launched - there is a need to control Labor as well. Liberal government will give us nuclear waste dumps too.

The decision by Labor and Liberal federally to support the appalling process will mean that the only choice of significance is to support Green, Democrat or Independent candidates with a preference to Labor.

This will support the minor parties financial position and future effectiveness whilst sending a clear message to Labor and Liberal that this kind of practice which is detrimental to the environment in so many ways is not tolerable to voters. It will also help prevent nuclear waste dumps and Workchoices 2.

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Catherine McCarron
October 7th, 2007

Our politicians are three year thinkers. I would love to see a politician subsidise environmental tourism opportunities in Australia. My family were planning on visiting Tasmania this Christmas holidays specifically for its natural beauty - it has a great reputation which unfortunately is being increasingly tarnished. Our politicians are 3 year thinkers.

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Dr Michele McGrady
October 7th, 2007

"World's best practice" does not mean good enough. The mill may have the best practices, although some in scandinavian countries are reported to be doing better, but the real question is do we want or need it? I think the answer is a resounding No!

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Michele Bowmaker
October 7th, 2007

We live in a period when governments & bureaucracies make decisions without regard for the wishes of local communities. In Tasmania it's a pulp mill, in Victoria it's a pipeline & desalination plant - each state has its projects that are proceeding against the wishes of the community. What action is necessary to restore government of the people to the people?
In an era of climate change, these projects are simply madness

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Jill Whittaker
October 7th, 2007

If the 48 conditions for the mill are to have teeth then the threat to close the mill for breaches is not sufficient. Any breaches should be a criminal offence by all the Directors and CEO and have a mandatory jail sentence of at least 12 months and up to life for behaviour which results in death.

Peter Garrett and Malcolm Turnbull may regain some credibility if they put this kind of measure into place to ensure that compliance with the regulations is of real interest to Gunns.

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Laurel Kinross
October 7th, 2007

I have listened to the rhetoric from both sides, Liberal and Labor on climate change and it appears that is all just words.
Here we have an oppportunity to do something to make this work and yet again money comes before all. If we really are sure this is world's best practice let's locate this mill in a more appropriate location. I know there was a more feasible one proposed.
World's best practice, it must be said, does not make it a terrific choice for our environment and for the future of Tasmanians. I will be attending any rally or protest to support the concerned people of Australia on this matter to make the politicians in Canberra realize that we care and we hope to provide a better future for the coming generations.

Peter G, if you are elected into government I really hope that your stand for the environment becomes stronger and clearer. Many of my friends are disillusioned with your dealings in this issue. I can only hope that in the future you return to your strong opinions and bring the Labour party onboard.

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N.Baruch Baruch
October 7th, 2007

Dear Mr Rudd & Mr Garrett,

Following this week's news that Labor will support Mr Turnbull's (Turncoat) decision to approve the building of Gunn's mill, and further, that if elected, they will not overturn this decision, has left me gasping with shock, outrage and indignation.

How can you on the one hand say that the issues concerning the environment and global warming are of paramount importance to Labor, and on the other hand, support this decision? How can you support such a short-sighted and, in my view, criminal move, which will see the destruction of some of our country's most precious asset - it's remaining natural, unspoilt forests and waters?

I really fail to understand how "creating jobs" can be an argument. The mill may create a few thousand jobs, but at what future cost? Can't you see that the very thing this mill will be destroying, is potentially the biggest financial asset Tasmania (not to mention the rest of Australia) has, left exactly as it is?

The people in the timber industry whose livelihoods may be affected have opportunities to create and seek employment and job opportunities real long-term future jobs in green-based industries such as eco-tourism.

This poorly thought out action on Labor's part is being recognised for what it is - a major sell-out for short term political and economic advantage.
This is SUCH an appalling move - especially pre-election.

Mr Rudd, Mr Garrett, I had previously respected both of you as men of integrity and courage who were members of a potential new government who seemed prepared to really take a stand on the most important issue facing our entire planet - the massive environmental concerns which threaten our continued existence.

Apparently, this is not the case. To say I am disappointed would be a major understatement. I was going to vote Labor come the election, but because of this issue, you have left me no choice back to back others whom I feel will actually act on their professed commitments.

Shame, shame, shame.

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Jenny Fraser
October 7th, 2007

I cannot believe that anyone in this day and age would support a pulp mill. The forests in Tasmania are already ravaged and this polluting and timber destroying factory is definitely not best practice.Nobody I have spoken to agrees with the pulp mill in Tasmania - what are you thinking Malcolm Turnbull? You have sold out on your country and nobody will thank you for it, now or in years to come

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Wendy Varney
October 7th, 2007

Denis Gunn, perhaps your name says it all. Just because you've worked in the industry and share the name of one of the greatest environmental despoilers in Australia doesn't mean you have to blindly support whatever this company and industry does. Why do you put up only two options: 1) to woodchip and export; or 2) to woodchip, process, pollute and export? We have to think beyond this.

Gunns' activities are wrecking the future of the timber industry in Tasmania, not supporting it. And they're wrecking a lot more as well. Definitely we need to think about jobs but let's make them jobs that help those that are employed and help the community at the same time. Surely we can come up with an idea for better jobs (building hospitals and community halls; provision of much needed community support; investing more heavily in a job-intensive wind energy facility?) than this state-sanctioned, taxpayer-subsidised vandalism. Not only are we destroying this precious resource, our native forests, we are paying handsomely for the "privilege" of having it destroyed with this huge subsidisation that goes on.

Christine Milne has every right to oppose this monstrosity, as has everybody else who opposes it. There are even some people with the surnames "Gunn" that oppose it (you may find some of them on this discussion space). Come on, think about it critically. Join them!

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Ryan Heath
October 7th, 2007

There seems to be, in the passion about the pulp mill, some confusion that somehow Labor is no better than the Howard Government.

Here's some brief info on why that's not true:

What would Labor do differently?

The first thing Labor would do is immediately ratify the Kyoto Protocol, then
Commit to cutting emissions by 60 per cent from 2000 levels by 2050.
Labor would substantially increase renewable energy targets and make Australia the Asia-Pacific clean energy hub (see detailed points below).
There will be no dangerous, expensive and slow to build nuclear power facilities under Labor. We will not be the world's nuclear waste dump.
Introduce an emissions trading scheme that meets the five tests of international consistency, significant greenhouse gas reductions, economic responsibility, fairness and urgent action.
Offer $10,000 low-interest loans for green home improvements and phase-out greenhouse intensive hot water systems
Commit $150 million from Australia’s international aid budget to assist our neighbours prepare for and adapt to the effects of climate change.
Ensure a Labor Government uses its purchasing power to provide a market for new efficient technologies.
Establishing a $500 million National Clean Coal Fund to invest in advanced coal technologies.

Federal Labor will invest $250 million over six years to offer a rebate of up to $500 for 500,000 homes to help install new piping for grey water use or rainwater tanks.


Labor also commits to drive a clean energy revolution through:

Substantially increasing the mandatory renewable energy target
Offering rebates for rooftop solar power panels.
Delivering a $35m clean energy export strategy
Establishing a $500 million National Clean Coal Fund to invest in advanced coal technologies.
Establish a $500 million Green Car Innovation Fund
Establishing the Australian Solar Institute, providing $50 million for a global solar energy hub.
Providing $50 million to develop geothermal energy – also known as “hot rock technology.”





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john white
October 7th, 2007

Mr Turnbull. 1. Please name the experts on the scientific panel.
2. How many of the 36,000 submissions were for the mill and how many against?

Mr Garrett. I'm disappointed that a fine environmentalist that you were has become another toothless tiger.You must know, but can't say now, that this mill is as Judith Milne says it is - an environmental disaster.

Mr Garrett, how many jobs are we porducing for a few years and what would the alternative social benefits return in tourism in one of the world's last remaining pristine eco-systems?

Ms Milne. Well said. You and Bob Brown are the voices of wisdom in this debacle

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stephen rendell
October 7th, 2007

location,location,location, id have to agree on that it is the wrong location for a pulp mill,im from sth australia and will visit tassie, now will i go to an area that has a pulp mill and spend our tourist dollars, i dont think so,why would you want to interfere with a pristine area ,surely there is other more industrialized areas that this could be done and another thing is get religious beliefs out of politics, im sick of bloody the religious right driving the politics,havent you done enough damage.

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Robyn O'Bryan
October 7th, 2007

The comments by Mr Turnbull and Mr Garrett cannot be taken seriously, in that we are expected to believe that the environment protection conditions and protection of further onslought of our Native Forests in Tasmania will be adhered to. Gunns has shown itself over and over again to have no interest in safeguards for environmental protection and has endeavoured to bully and intimate their opposition. Our political contributors from both Liberal and Labor are just so much hot air!

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Estelle Tudor
October 7th, 2007

l have travelled to Tasmania many times and will return there in the future. The thing that l adore most about Tasmania is the forests. Those old grown forests represent a time when the earth was pure, hundreds of years of growth cut down in one fell swoop is a sacrilege. Its not just trees but all that they support, the micro-organisms under the ground, the many creatures that have their homes in and around them and the plant life that rely on them for humus etc. Why are we sending wood chips at all? Money can never be an answer to the destruction of Nature! Look at the other countries that have done this.......and see what has happened to them. Trees make water !!!!!!!

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Lynette Sinclair
October 7th, 2007

The approval of this mill is the most hypocritical thing the governments of Australia and Tasmania can do. When climate change and environmental issues are top agenda for most people now, this flies in the face of democracy and smacks again of support for vested interests rather than doing the right thing by the people. It must be stopped.

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Caroline Graham
October 7th, 2007

Malcolm Turnbull and Peter Garrett are both shameful and ignoble individuals; endangering the environment and sacrificing another large area of native forest to shore up their disgraceful careers as, in Orwellian terms, Minister/Shadow Minister for the Environment ! In the future this will br regarded as a black stain on the historical record of our poor country.

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October 7th, 2007

The environmental and economic issues in Tasmania are complex and significant. Tourism should be a high priority as the scenic beauty in Australia is disappearing at a fast rate and the climate implications of reductions in the forests is a major concern. Please ensure that the old growth trees are protected and reasonable controls placed on Gunns. The pollution of the marine areas must not be permitted under any circumstances.

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michal Tomaszewski
October 7th, 2007

Turnbul's Scientific reason for allowing the mill to go ahead may be rational but in human terms, the destruction of a pristine valley's lifestyle & its scenic quality for the sake of Gunn's profit cannot be justified. The short term dollar profit for Gunns, cannot pass the long term cost benefit analysis.

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PATRICIA HAY
October 7th, 2007

My moment of truth came when I realised I was wiping my bum on 400 year old trees! All toilet paper should be maufactured from recycled paper not old growth forest.

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Gavin Minor
October 7th, 2007

DON'T GIVE UP ON PETER GARRETT YET.

To those who are blindly attacking Peter Garrett. Don't you understand how politics works? You NEED TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE. By just coming in here and shouting ridiculous negative coments to Garrett, and saying things like "i won't vote", you're just missing the point, and by not voting, you're giving no hope to our future. And to be honest your lack of understanding of politics doesn't do much good for our cause.

Take a look at the bigger picture. IN THE LAST ELECTION, Latham put forward a proactive proposition regarding Tasmanian logging - (ie aimed at reducing logging), and Tasmanian workers + unions were outraged that jobs were put at risk, and LABOR was punished for it in the election. This contributed to Labor LOSING THE ELECTION because of these actions. This resulted in ANOTHER TERM OF Howard & Turnbill. The term in which TURNBILL gave the 'ok' for the pulp mill. Get it? DO WE WANT HOWARD & TURNBULL TO BE IN FOR ANOTHER TERM? NO.

So maybe, just maybe, Garett & Labor are playing their cards carefully, neutralising Liberal policies, sitting this 'hand' out, so that come election day they don't have the risk of backlash like Latham got, they can WIN back power, and make some positive changes. Basically they have to bite their tongues (because we currently live in such a conservative society)

Garrett had one of two options:
1. Speak out AGAINST Turnbull and the Mill, and risk unions & workers punishing labor in the election, and labor potentially losing. Outcome: THE MILL WOULD HAVE GONE AHEAD anyway (There is nothing Labor could do to stop the decision anyway as currently the Liberals hold power in both houses)
2. Neutralise the issue, go along with it, play dumb, stay 'under the radar', WIN THE ELECTION, then make a REAL difference. Outcome: THE MILL WOULD HAVE GONE AHEAD. BUT, Labor will have the chance to do something about it come 1-2 months time.

Which option would you take? Think about it. Look at the two options, and look at the outcomes. BOTH have no immediate effect on the ultimate mill decision. (No-one could have stopped Turnbull) Option 2 gives a POSSIBILITY of hope for after Labor win back power.

My number 1 priority is environment, but you have to look at the bigger picture.

If the libs weren't in, this whole thing probably would never have happened.

NOTHING would be worse than Howard & team winning another term. Labor can't risk ANYTHING on this front in my opinion. Even if it means biting their tongue temporarily on issues like this.

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Greg Chapman
October 7th, 2007

But where a clever country? And where all better off.I saw the Bill boards meself the other week whilst driving back to Darwin.

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Gillian Cohen
October 7th, 2007

Echoes of the Franklin Dam - the Hydro power we just couldn't live without!
Has anyone noticed that the emperor has no clothes?
I couldn't be more disillusioned with the ALP. Who can we possibly vote for? I fear for our grandchildren.

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Wendy Varney
October 7th, 2007

Michal K Tomaszewski, I agree with you about the craziness of this decision from a human point of view, but I disagree that the decision is "rational" in scientific terms. Far from it. Scientists should be well aware of the Precautionary Principle, which reminds them of the uncertainties of science, especially in trying to assess what ecological implications may be. Time and time again the ramifications of human interference have been far greater than anticipated. Therefore where there is any degree of uncertainty, science warns that one should proceed only with caution (and that assumes that the possible though unexpected impacts would be not too serious and or most unlikely) or, better still, not proceed at all.

In the case of the pulp mill, the environmental implications are both very likely and very serious.Indeed, we know all too well that this will contribute in a disastrous way to global warming, with the accelerated loss of native forests. These grounds alone undoubtedly warranted (and should have guaranteed) refusal to proceed.

It is a joke that just before Turnbull announced his decision, Chief Scientist Jim Peacock had a piece in the Sydney Morning Herald, telling us all about the severe consequences of global warming and that something must be done about it. Yeah, sure, Jim! Why didn't you give Turnbull a report stating that, instead of some sort of pathetic rubber stamp for what his govt always wanted to do - proceed down the path of increased woodchipping, increased pollution in the Tamar Valley, endangering terrestrial wildlife and marine life, and endangering the future of generations to come? Such hypocrisy.

But we should remember that Howard handpicks all his people and most especially his Chief Scientists. They support him actively and recommend him for awards (pardon me while I puke just here) and he stands by them. What a cosy and despicable relationship.

No, Michal, this isn't scientific rationality. It is scientific nonsense.

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Phillipa Beeson
October 7th, 2007

I cannot believe how someone as intelligent as Malcolm Turnbull can commit political suicide in this manner. I have always respected Mr Turnbull and have seen him as an alternative leader of the Liberal Party but am now afraid that that will never happen.

He has chosen to ignore so many important issues involved in this debate. Most particularly the question of how Gunns is going to source the timber needed to feed such a giant appetite. There is not enough plantation timber to do this but there are pristine old growth forests which Gunns see only as a source of money.

Once the forests have gone and the environment no long clean and green what then for Tasmania? My son and his children live in Tasmania. What will be the future for my grandchildren?

Tasmania is known world wide as a tourist destination which allows people to walk in forests the like of which are available nowhere else on the planet. They come to breathe the clean air, feel the space, go to places where they do not see other people (a rarity in Europe). We once sat beside a young couple in Paris airport who were reading the Lonely Planet on Tasmania. They were not going to Australia to see cities and beaches - they have them at home. They were going to see the forests and clean lakes and walks of Tasmania.

Malcolm Turnbull can approve the mill but he must also address the issue of where the timber for it will be sourced for without its forests Tasmania will no longer be the tourist destination of preference for people living in polluted, crowded, industrialised countries.

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Geoffrey Lea
October 7th, 2007

This mill is using the wrong process, is in the wrong location and is too big.

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Lloyd Casey
October 7th, 2007

I am not even going to attempt to address the science because as has been the case with the effects of Thomas Midgley adding tetraethyl lead as a “safe” chemical to Petrol, the marketing of Tobacco, the safety of white Asbestos, Agent Oranges, DDT, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, and the 1984 gas leak in Bhopal, the politicians will tell us that they based their decision on the science of the day and that it was the right decision at the time.

I would add just one suggestion to Jill Whitacker’s blog concerning the enactment of criminal offences and Jail time for CEO’s and Directors who breach the protection requirements, let the politicians be consistent for once in their pathetic lives and amend the Trades Practices Act so that politicians too can be held accountable for their misleading and deceptive conduct. Question time and political interviews may then have some relevance.

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Carol Bunt
October 7th, 2007

I read Richard Flanagan's article in 'The Monthly' on this issue and I can only say that I am horrified at the decision to go ahead with this pulp mill. I fully support continued activism and this WILL impact on my vote. Malcolm Turnbull's decision is no major surprise but Peter Garrett must fill sick at how his values are being compromised.

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Karen Damiani
October 7th, 2007

Darn, I didnt recieve an email from Turnball! I guess I will have to wait for the expensive advertising campaign or the arrival of his pulp paper in the post to know how I am allowed to think so I don't end up UnAustralian. Thanks Peter also for the 'heads up' to vote Greens in the Senate and that if this is going to stop it's up to the people to represent themselves, again. Can someone list petitions, email addresses and campaigns that are going to be useful?

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eva sifis
October 7th, 2007

time to grow up people and start doing the job you are meant to be doing as 'runners' of our country. 'Run' it properly. Be proud of it and don't destroy it.
Peter Garrett, you used to stand for something. I understand you must 'tow the party line' (literally) but for gods sake, when/if Labour gets in, stand up and stand for something again.... save what we have left

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Peter Stamford
October 7th, 2007

Even before the environment, the mill decision is politically and economically stupid. Politically: we know that in a very few years Gunns will be wailing that the conditions make their mill uneconomic and unless they are relaxed 000s of jobs will be lost. Economically: the days of gung ho lumberjacks are no longer OK-plantation forests employ very few-Tasmania is and always has been too far from anywhere-that's why its population never grows.The state is littered with failed industries and we're just about to start another one at the cost of the one thing Tassie has got: clean, green beauty.

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October 7th, 2007

A pulp mill for Tasmania's forest products is actually a good idea in principle. The environmental costs of sending our woodchips to Japan and elsewhere, and buying the finished paper product back at many times the cost, are significant in both environmental and economic terms. A local pulp mill would result in a huge decrease in the environmental impact of much of the paper we all use.

The main issue I have with this proposed pulp mill, apart from potential pollution problems, is that it doesn't attempt to decrease the amount of native forests used as source material, especially high conservation-value forest. Considering the damage already done to Tasmania's forests, the logging industry should be regulated to rely predominantly on plantation wood, and limited low conservation-value coups. Whether or not the mill went ahead, logging will continue in the foreseeable future, and the pertinent issue seems to me to be how to regulate this industry better, and both protect current old-growth forest, and allow for the regeneration of more mature native forest.

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Patrick Lynch
October 7th, 2007

I have never had respect for the Liberal Party, and under John Howard, lack of respect has become contempt. Now, however, who can tell me the difference between Labor and Liberal? This latest backdown by Peter Garrett (how can he claim it as anything else: once he was clean and green) has firmed my decision not to vote Labor in this election. I toyed with returning to Labor, but now it will be the Greens and Independents again.

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Christopher Monie
October 7th, 2007

TClarke ; I also wondered about the blog being edited or cleansed of early input. I went back to find my original post - nowhere to be found.

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Victor Pisapia
October 7th, 2007

Well with this going ahead has made it much clearer to whom I will vote for. I lately have suspected Labour to turn out just like the Liberals so Greens is the go for me this time round. Liberals and Labour obviously just have one agenda and quite the same, little change and status quo. Again they are looking out more for their jobs then us the people who have elected them. All this makes me so sad. All I want is leadership, progressive solutions and no more letting the Big Guns get their way. Just once can you show us some true colours and think!
None of it easy I know but there is always a price to pay and you will pay it.

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Wendy Varney
October 7th, 2007

I don't think it is censorship (though there may, as with all websites, be facility for certain language and genuine abuse being omitted). Rather, I expect that early contributions may be disappearing only because the discussion is growing faster than page space has been allocated and that early postings are therefore being temporarily pushed off as newer ones come on. I noticed early postings disappearing and then later appearing again when more pages were made available but this was not enough and earlier postings are now disappearing again.

Perhaps the web master can clarify if this is the case- and perhaps allow much much more space, if at all possible.

It is good news, surely, that the discussion is growing so fast. I hope this can be channelled into genuine action.

Good on everyone who is, at this moment, demonstrating at Low Head (is that where it is?) Or is it Low Point? that seems appropriate, given the disastrous new levels our so-called democracy has sunk to.

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Justice
October 7th, 2007


I would like to know whether the forrest will be immediatelly replanted.

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Michael Vaughan
October 7th, 2007

Turnbull asked for a limited report, not a comprehensive report, from the Chief Scientist. Until the Chief Scientist gives a comprehensive report, taking into account all factors, then Turnbull is hiding behind a transparency that won't protect him.

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John Monro
October 7th, 2007

Voting Green is the obvious choice, but in the past when the National mood has been to get rid of the ruling government party, minor parties have suffered as voters direct their first preferences strongly towards the major parties.

It appears that many do not really understand preferential voting. We need to explain to friends and workmates that they can vote Green[1] Labor[2] or Green[1] Liberal[2] and if the Green candidate is not successful their vote will still end up supporting whichever major party they choose. Their vote will not be 'wasted' in any sense.

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Fleur & Janein McLeod
October 7th, 2007

I always though that I would retire to Tasmania, attracted by it's pristine wilderness and, largely, forward thinking environmental residents - no longer. A state run for a company whose business plan is in direct opposition to the global changes that must happen for future generations to survive is not an attractive or responsible destination and I'm sure many people feel this way.

We should all support the people of Tasmania in this fight.

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cindy kelly
October 7th, 2007

gunns have proven that they cannot be trusted in the past... please don't let them poison the beautiful tamar valley and bass strait simply to boost their coffers...

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Ryan Heath
October 7th, 2007

I don't want to sound like the boring Peter Garrett defender, but people have to be real about this things as well.

1. The EPBC Act is flawed because the Howard Government doesn't get climate change and it's not one of the things that the Minister has to require when assessing big projects. It should be, and it's Labor's policy to make that change.

2. Who do you trust to monitor the conditions the Chief Scientist has nominated. The Howard Government or Peter Garrett?

3. No old growth forest is being chopped down for the mill (though native regrowth forest is) and most of this would be logged and sent overseas as woodchips without the mill.

Are GetUp members saying they are pro-woodchip? Are you committed to stop using pulp products like newspapers and toilet paper and office paper?

We should be really concerned about enviro impacts of projects like the pulp mill, but we all have responsibilities to face up to when it comes to facts about our political system and our own lifestyle choices.

No one is perfect here, and Bob Brown isn't some one-stop solution to all of this.

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Paul Lindsey
October 7th, 2007

Turnbull's range of questions of the Govt chief scientist about this mill were, like the terms of the AWB 'inquiry' carefully selected, sharply restricted and then presented in a purposefully misleading way - one may as well speak of a world's best practice anti-personnel bomb. This descriptor - 'world's best practice' - sounds wonderful, but actually means ... NOTHING. Not just the unfortunate locals, but EVERYONE should continue to oppose the construction of this appalling, dark satanic mill. Pulp mills today, nuclear power stations tomorrow. We must all of us very clearly understand this. And resist.

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Joan Modder
October 7th, 2007

I cannot make a decision on whether the pulp mill is now enviornmentally neutral after Mr Turnbull's decision.The fact that he has doubled the conditions, only informs me that Gunn's original proposal was only 50% "neutral"at best. Common sense tells me that you cannot operate such a hugh mill for years without some enviornmental impact. So the mill is a short term solution to strenthening the economy of Tasmania. The amount of timber it will need to keep operating only means that there are a lot of big bucks for some people in clearing that timber. The long term solution is to engage the whole of Tasmania in a "Green and Clean" campaign for products that the world will queue to pay for. This will need far sighted, long term planning - something Governments both federal and state will not engage in. They can only engage in being elected short term -these ar emy reasons for opposing the mill. Joan Modded

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Ashleigh Buckett
October 7th, 2007

I am too young to vote in the next federal election.

It is my generation that will be left to deal with the consequences of this ecological disaster and the downfall of the environment as a whole.

Turnbull is Hexxus with legs and too much money for his own good - this greed I expected from him. When Peter Garrett joined the ALP I naively thought that it was better to have someone in there with a strong moral and environmental conscience than not.......

It is IMMORAL to enslave future generations with the irreversible environmental responsibility resulting from the mistakes/ incompetence/ arrogance/ material personal gain of those somehow in power! Please respect the richness of what undamaged environment we have left and the future of the 'everyman'.

P.S. GetUp - how about a petition by account holders to pressure ANZ?
Thanks to all of those taking a stand : )

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wendy bloom
October 7th, 2007

Some of the least wise people are scientists. When their frame of reference is limited only to the realm of the mind, and fails to take account of the wisddom of the heart, and the bigger picture,this is not intelligent! It's like the thinking of the scientists who cleverly developed the atom bomb, with no responsibility for the consequences that would surely follow.

So I am singularly unimpressed that Malcolm Turnbull proudly assert that he has based his decision purely on scientific considerations. That's the problem. What about recognising that it's not just a matter of chemicals in the water?

It's also about destroying forest, at a time that we should be planting forest to correct the carbon tragedy that we have created, and continue to create. What about saving, not further underminig this planet, for short term financial gain! What about our responsibility to the generations which will follow - that is, if we let them?

What about protecting the environment? What about preserving the industries and livelihoods which already operate in the Tamar Valley, which could be damaged by the Pulp Mill?

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Linda Greblo
October 7th, 2007

A Pulp Mill is a pulp mill..is a pulp mill! Scientifically approved...environmentally-a disaster! CLIMATE CHANGE!!!! What on earth are we doing??? I am so disillusioned with the political grab and Labour's position.

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Vanda Rounsefell
October 7th, 2007

We have been going through a couple of decades now where companies have claimed to be following 'world's best practice' in all sorts of eco and social behaviours. What has been increasingly clear over this time is that WBP is not good enough to count as sustainable. The concept is born of the compliance mindset. Bandwagon stuff. eg A favourite compliance strategy is to consider toxins one by one, while the reality is that way below toxic level of one, the combination of many is what counts when it reaches your liver or mine for detox. That's the toxics side, and there are many other aspects, most of which were not apparently adequately or at all addressed (as distinct from that dishonest statement 'considered') by the Minister or others in an extremely poor process. My information is that ths is NOT WBC in any case. How about Gunns being challenged to be an 'icon' company that reviews all pulp mill processes and develops something unheard of and really sustainable, that we could be proud of? On the feedstock side, this oversized mill would be a greedy consumer of all kinds of forests. At Cerro Gordo community in the USA they can teach you about sustainable forestry: only the annual growth of the forest is harvested (in their case 10%), and trees are carefully selected to represent a balance of different ages of trees, with old growth preserved. Small scale machinery is used so as to minimise disturbance of the rest of the forest. This could be used for regrowth forest. Intact, unspoiled forest is our heritage. Hands off!! AND how about the locals?

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David Nash
October 7th, 2007

Although I commented earlier, I have read more and more contributions to this blog, and cannot help but feel the latent sense of outrage which this issue has inspired. Perhaps this should be harnessed in some way.

Re-reading the last few paragrapghs in Richard Flanagan's essay in The Monthly (May 2007), he says: "... more and more Tasmanians are demanding a royal commision into the old-growth logging industry and its relationship with both major political parties." And again: "Nothing less than a major investigation with special powers can now clear away the stench that surrounds this industry and shames Australia."

These words are now more relevant than ever before. We know GETUP has achieved some worthwhile outcomes to its campaigns. How about GETUP begin a new campaign: DEMAND A ROYAL COMMISSION INTO THE LOGGING INDUSTRY AND IN PARTICULAR, THE ACTIVITIES OF GUNNS LTD. AND THAT COMPANY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH BOTH MAJOR POLITICAL PARTIES.

As Flanagan says: "Without such an investigation nothing with change, except for the worse, and the rape of Tasmania will continue until one day, like so much else that was precious, its great forests will belong only to myth".

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October 7th, 2007

The approval of this mill makes a further mockery of this country's attempts to contribute something positive to climate change. A dying industry is being propped up to secure votes. Whilst I feel for the timber industry surely the money would be better spent put into a long term alternative solution to grow jobs elsewhere. The pristine countryside cannot be replaced - it was there long before the humans were. It's a selfesh act to sacrifce something so prescious - future generations will look back on these action with horror I am sure.

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diane smith
October 7th, 2007

Shame on Malcolm Turnbull for ignoring the wishes of the people from the Tamar Valley who clearl;y do NOT want the pulp mill. Over the years Gunns has shown itself to be rithless in it's quest for profit and it's dirty dealings used to persuade gov't officials and cdirty campaigns against it's opposition. They have shown a willingness to rape the forests of tasmania to fill their own pockets. What a dirty business. Shame

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Rob Pattison
October 7th, 2007

The computer-age gives us the chance to decrease the volume of paper we need to use. We could, along with greenhouse gas emission reduction, have a concerted effort to REDUCE paper use - and hence reduce the need for pulp mills.

Huge volumes of paper are thrown away each day from schools and offices. They used to collect it now it goes into the rubbish.
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Lisa Macdonald
October 7th, 2007

Please find below the Socialist Alliance's position on this disgraceful betrayal of our environment.
Dick Nichols
National Coordinator

Pulp mill approval process a sham: time for another Franklin Dam movement!

6 October 2007

“The approval of Gunns pulp mill by the Federal Environment Minister is a total sham”, said Susan Austin, the Socialist Alliance’s candidate for the Tasmanian seat of Denison.

The approval requires that Gunns carry out further studies on the likely impacts to threatened species and conducts more extensive modeling of ocean and likely effluent movements before construction can commence.

“How could Turnbull approve the mill before we have available all of the information about the impacts this project would have on local wildlife and marine life?” Austin asked.

Austin also stressed that Dr Jim Peacock, the Chief Scientist charged with making the report, was not required to include in his assessment impacts the mill would have on other important areas.

“Under the terms given him by environment minister Malcolm Turnbull he could say nothing about increased logging of native forests, worsening air quality in the local area, more deaths caused by extra logging trucks on the roads, losses to the local economy and increases in carbon emission!

“And Labor’s formerly-green Peter Garrett was happy to acquiesce in this charade!”

Austin added that in an age of climate change no government should be allowed to ignore the greenhouse gas emissions such a large project would produce.

Mathew Holloway, Socialist Alliance candidate for the Tasmanian seat of Franklin commented: “This ravenous mill will use 80% native forests in the first five years of operation. It’s a major hypocrisy that the government is funding reforestation programs in Asia while at the same time refusing to protect forests in Tasmania.”

A new poll commissioned by the Wilderness Society on October 4 found that 56% of people in the area were opposed to the mill.

Holloway said: “This shows that Turnbull’s ‘democratic process’ is a joke. Liberal and Labor, state and federal, link arms, refuse to listen to the people, and give the wink to their big business masters like Gunns.”

The Socialist Alliance candidates pledged that their party would be “up to our neck” in the struggle to stop the pulp mill.

“This battle can be won”, Austin said. “Everyone remembers that official approval was given for the Franklin Dam, but after one year of river blockades and protests such approval counted for nothing and the dam was stopped.”

“Once again we have to build a people’s movement so large that it can´t be ignored”, Holloway concluded. “Let’s remember what happened to more recent official decision—that to privatise Snowy Hydro. Popular protest also put it into the dustbin of history: we will do the same with Gunns’ latest crime against our beautiful environment.”
For more information: Susan Austin on 0418 643 133, Matthew Holloway on 0419 582 372

Email: hobart@socialist-alliance.org

Web: www.socialist-alliance.org/tasmania

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Sandra Grayson
October 7th, 2007

Money talks, and it seems today that it is the only language some of our politicians understand.

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Robyn Allen
October 7th, 2007

Your comment It is never easy to balance jobs and lifestyle issues but these mills throughout the world have a very bad track record.In Canada pulp mills have ruined every river they have been built on. The record of Gunns itself has often come in for some serious alarm. We fought a hard rock quarry for years won the firts court case then lost the second and then it got passed with the same counsil who wanted the quarry to police the conditions what a joke none were policed and now it operates to suit itself.Is now a 24hr day opp if it wants 6days a week 6 am starts ect ect These so called tough conditions are all a joke if passed as they are never adheard to and most politions have thre noses well and truely in the trough so will do anything to keep on side with big buisness of any kind and stuff the public. Get rid of the lot of the bastards.

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mary lyons
October 7th, 2007

A pulp mill is simply not ever going to be anything but an environmental disaster with widespread impacts, no matter how many conditions are written into its approval documentation.

The whole idea that in our current state of global crisis related to the declining health of our environment, approval of such a facility would be not only allowed by Turnbull but supported by the Labor Party is sickening. What about the fishing industry , the tourism industry and the right of Tasmanians to live in the environment they have chosen to live in. Big companies like Gunns have already destroyed the small sawmilling operators who were able to selectively log in a sustainable fashion and now for their own profit-making greed-fuelled motives they are prepared to impose this mill on people who don't want it, in a move which will cause irreversible change and destruction in the beautiful region of Tasmania.

As to Peter Garrett - the performance on the back of the truck in NY in protest against the Exxon Valdez oil spill seems nothing but a blur of hypocrisy given what you have written above. Sold out to the control of the party machine - shame!

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Helen McLennan
October 7th, 2007

Unbelievable that this mill could be given the go-ahead, when every evidence suggests it is a waste of resources, a desecration of native forests and, by some accounts, not even going to be an economically viable business. This is a mentality motivated soley by the greed of a few powerful entities and backed by cowardly politicians. They can spout endless rhetoric about 'world's best practice' but most of us are not fooled. This mill is for and about Gunn's gain and profit.

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October 7th, 2007

How can any politician who claims to be serious or concerned about climate change even entertain this project...when will we see real leadership in this country?

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Silver Moon
October 7th, 2007

Both the Liberal Party and the Labor Party disappoint again - what I want from government is people who are prepared to make decisions that benefit the voters and the planet not decisions that are just about propping up the rich and powerful. Noone needs a pulp mill. Who will it benefit? Not locals not the planet. Why are governmnets too scared to make decisions that are about looking after the place? We have the govt with a $10 billion water plan that doesnt get any more water for the Murray, now a pulp mill too. And Labor dont have any different ideas from the Liberals. Its all crazy. Vote them out!

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Joan Boylan
October 7th, 2007

I am so sad that somewhere as beautiful as Tasmania is not being preserved in perpetuity as a place of peace and natural beauty for global travellers to experience. Surely there are more than enough opportunities for forest workers to take people to show them the beauty rather than biting the hand that feeds them. Remember the saying "We can't eat money" Poor Tassie, the ancestors will be lamenting this day.

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Helen Disler
October 7th, 2007

Science is constantly used to back up questionable policies. What were the terms of reference given to the scientists? There are plenty of scientists who show good cause why it is not in the interest for the future to approve this mill. (The Age 6/10/07)Also it is not a mill designed to world's best practice. I suggest that Malcolm and Peter relocate downstream of the mill for life and see if they think it is such a good idea!

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Pasquale Heredia
October 7th, 2007

Why?

It's simple. Why? There is no legitimate reason for this mill to go ahead. It's a sad day when being conservative is seen as the right thing to do and taking moral innitiative is seen as taboo, or political suicide, which I can't even understand as the majority of the electorate is against the mill anyway. The fight is not over.
It's disappointing for all. Labor and Libs, pull your fingers out and wake up to the reality, our reality. We want to protect this planet.

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Chris Maltby
October 7th, 2007

The Tasmanian Premier Mr Lennon let the cat out of the bag the other night on Lateline. He said that Gunns needed to build this mill because Japanese mills were no longer buying woodchips from Tasmania.

What he didn't say is that one of the main reasons for that has been a consumer campaign against paper from logging of old-growth forests and unsustainable logging in general. What makes Gunns think that people won't do the same with their paper.

We can't wait for a consumer campaign against this mill - we have to stop it now. Not only will we save huge areas of valuable native forest but we'll save the hundreds of millions of dollars of subsidies to this destructive company.

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Duncan Grant
October 7th, 2007

To Ryan Heath. I am sure that Labor will water down most of these pork barrel promises. If they can't take a stand on a matter of moral principle now, why should we trust them in government? I can no longer vote Labor in good conscience. I hope the Greens hold the balance of power in the Senate after 2007.

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Paul Palmer
October 7th, 2007

Ashleigh a petition is a good idea. A good way is to email ANZ by the thousands. This has been very effective in some labour campaigns I have been invovled in.

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Phil Gorman
October 7th, 2007

Political Expediency Turns Bull to "Scientific Correctness"

The blatantly corrupt abandonment of due process continues.

The narrowest possible interpretation of his responsibilities has enabled Minister Turnbull to hide behind a veil of spurious "scientific correctness".

The narrow terms of reference issued to Peacock ensured that the effects on human health, non migratory flora and fauna, air pollution and soil contamination could be ignored.

Even with the references given there can be no environmentally sound case for the release of ANY dioxins in any environment. The millions of extra heavy road transport kilometres have also been ignored.

Like statistics science can be manipulated to transform facts into bullshit. Turn-bull indeed!

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Roddie
October 7th, 2007

Gavin Minor - your assessment is essentially correct, that a trap was indeed laid for Garrett. Had he opposed the mill, a now more desperate JWH would have launched another 'open season' on Labor, hammering its election prospects in Tasmania.

However, it is clear that adopting this position (obviously at the behest of ALP strategists) was going to expose Garrett to enormous colatteral damage amongst his key support base.

This is indeed what we are now seeing - Garrett is a major electoral asset for the ALP, and a figurehead of enormous standing and credentials amongst all Australian's with a social and environmental conscience, who now risks losing the goodwill accumulated over 30 years.

Whilst JWH's days may be numbered, the Libs can nonetheless rest easy with this consolation prize. And for the 'work-experience' ALP strategists to allow this to happen, think about this:

A 3rd solution was to allow Garrett the independence to voice his opposition to the mill as a conscience issue, which is perfectly credible given his background. The ALP, still forced to toe the line in the interests of getting elected, would simply have pushed the party line and neutralised Garrett's opposition. JWH government may have had a play, but fire-fighting from Turnbull's announcement would have ensured Garrett's stance got minimal air time.

If you don't believe this would work, then you haven't been following National Party politics closely enough. This is their exact modus-operandii - fight and dispute government policy on the surface when it suits them, yet always fall into line when legislation is put to the House of reps etc.

This method works every time for Barnaby Joyce - there's no reason the ALP strategists couldn't have taken a leaf out of his book.

- Roddie

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John Lynch
October 7th, 2007

Like so many of those who have signed this petition, I too protest against the use of public money to fund political election campaigns. The money would be far better spent in building schools and hospitals which are sorely needed and in providing useful resources to meet social needs.

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Jolanta Noj-Matheson
October 7th, 2007

Well this is another environmentally disastrous decision from the Government.

What else could we expect.

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Roddie
October 7th, 2007

Ashleigh, the ANZ financing of the deal is now the acchiles heel of the whole operation - this is where all attention MUST be focused.

I'm sure there are literally thousands of ANZ members who, like myself, are appalled with the prospect of our bank underpinning an operation so incongruous with our very future, that we would gladly pull all accounts tomorrow (which I will be doing) in an effort to get them to change their mind.

I think a petition may only go so far - we need to alert all ANZ account holders via newspaper/ media of this fact, and motivate them to action.

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BRYAN &VERONICA ALGIE
October 7th, 2007

STOP THIS PULP EMISSION SPEWING PLANT NOW BEFORE IT GETS OF THE GROUND.WHAT IS BASS STRAIT AND SUROUNDING WATERS GOING TO BE LIKE IN THE FUTURE FOR OUR GENERATIONS TO COME.

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Eric Glare
October 7th, 2007

Approval of the pulp mill is proving to be divisive, with some thinking it is helpful to verbal bash and generally denigrate scientists. Some like Wendy Bloom, pyschologist, forget that it is science that tells us of the dangers of the mill beyond the destruction of the nice view of the forest. Likewise, science tells prefessionals like Bloom what will work and what will be ethical to practise. Science can show us how to protect the envirnoment (yes, it is a science!) and how to protect people's health but only if we ask the question and fund the studies.

What we are really seeing here is how our society handcaps scientists by resistricting their examination and influence to carefully chosen parameters. In my opinion, anyone who suggests that scientists were responsible for the erroneous approval are blind to the money, business interests and politics that make the real decisions in our society -whether it be the pulp mill or the atomic bomb or nuclear energy.

Our clever country is not nearly clever enough.

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Russell Clemens
October 7th, 2007

I don't get this -- sometimes a name and sometimes not on the side bar to the left??? Come on GETUP -- where are the 'secret instructions'? Having the option for either way is ideal ... but am I missing something fundamental here?

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Ailsa Hyland
October 7th, 2007

The establishment of other means for paper production is essential;from time to time papyrus and related crops have been put forward as substitutes;what next re that?there is no doubt that there is a probability that all industrial processes might need to be modified and some discarded,as the the higher above ground temperatures being envisaged for present day life activities gradually come into being. The removal of large tree root systems anywhere in Australia reducing the ability of soil to hold water for slow release later,should be forbidden now as part of the fight against rising world temperature and pollution.The media must be blamed for not having more cogently alerted the public to what it might mean to have the envisaged climate change,so that they might have aroused public objection on a larger scale to big tree(or any inappropriate) logging for paper production in Australia as that removal impacts on water supply;as well as directing attention to the damage done to the Tamar by the industrial process itself;apparently there is to be a wait and see monitoring process re the effect of dioxins on the Tamar biologic life.
The Tasmanian ,Federal and Opposition govts are to be condemned for having failed to legislate aginst current logging practises. Higher above ground temperatures could only too soon make life as we know it today unendurable above ground;we shouldn't have to wait to have the point proved.

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Sue Camden
October 7th, 2007

It seems farcical as well as short-sighted and environmentally insane to castigate other countries for destroying forests, adding to the carbon dioxide problem, and then building a large papermill for which we will destroy large tracts of our own forest.

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Basil Smith
October 7th, 2007

Put it to referendum in Tasmania. Top down rule has no part in a democracy - when will we have one?

http://secretballotparty.org

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Lesley Day
October 7th, 2007

This issue is terrifying. No-one can convince me this is a good sensible or safe solution. We can only go downhill from here.

Peter Garrett you are a turncoat of the worst order. Malcolm, we all know your party is so pro-business your view will be biased no matter what. God bless greenies

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Mary Droste
October 7th, 2007

Travelling in Tas I ws appalled at the destruction of forests that has occurred. I am loathe to return to this Isle I once loved. I believe that the Government is in the pay of Gunns why else would they agree to destroy their own backyard. The economy should not be the main deciding factor in this decision but that seems to be all that matters to Liberal and Labor politicians. God help us.

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Paul Palmer
October 7th, 2007

Take action now, swamp the ANZ with emails to stop funding this destruction. The ANZ is the weakest link. Just an increase of 1% to Gunns cost of capital, ie loan funds then the mill could be stoped, thats how marginal this pulp mill is.

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berenice roberts
October 7th, 2007

As seems to be most often the case these days, the almighty dollar is God! When our politicians stop worshiping (or should be whoreshiping) the dollar we might start to get society and human friendly policy decisions. At the end of the day however it is us who vote to put these people in power so can I suggest every one think long and hard about the value of their vote and who deserves it. Maybe, just maybe we'll get a better outcome for the future.

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Danny Freemantle
October 7th, 2007

Would those approving the mill feel the same if they lived in Hillwood, or had to drink the water, breathe the air or eat the fish that swim in the river/ocean system surrounding the mill? I don't think so.
At a time when we need to be desperately be preserving native forests, biodiversity, natural ecosystems, reducing carbon emissions and reviewing industrial practices to promote sustainability this type of project is the LAST thing we need!

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Joyce Parkes
October 7th, 2007

I am against the Gunn mill for all the concerns Judith King, a Tamar Valley resident, has articulated. Consideration could also be given to the premise that representative governments, overwhelmingly, represent the interests of the rich and powerful. In a participating
democracy the concerns of the many may yet count.
Regards. Joyce.

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Wendy Dun
October 7th, 2007

I am absolutely appalled at the approval of this mill and the Labor party stance on it. The continued logging of these forest for woodchips makes no sense; the poluting of a river makes no sense...

I respect everybody's right to have a job and what a shame that the government & Labor didn't put their efforts into providing alternative employment opportunities & retraining in the area.

Congratulations to Ben Quin for standing up for what he believes in. Peter Garrett could learn a lot from him.

It'll be a long time before I play any of my Oils albums - especially Blue Sky Mining.

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Anne Layton-Bennett
October 7th, 2007

His decision on the pulp mill confirms the only environment for which Mr Turnbull is minister, is that of Big Business. To truly demonstrate his responsibility for the natural environment he should have insisted Dr Peacock examine every other environmental issue associated with the pulp
mill. Like water supply and quality, air quality, road safety (164 additional log trucks on Launceston roads a day). Instead, Tasmanians are expected to trust Gunns to adequately monitor these. Trust a company that has already demonstrated its inability to avoid contaminating water supplies when spraying its plantations with herbicides
and pesticides; that is happy to poison wildlife through its widespread use of 1080 in these plantations; and which has a tendency to instigate legal action on anyone who disagrees with its practices.

This poisonous project certainly is the wrong mill in the wrong location. As for world's best practice, what a joke - only if it was closed-loop, chlorine-free, and plantation ONLY-fed would it even come close. The mill proposed for Long Reach is none of these.

Northern Tasmanians are fighting for our lives here, and we need all the help we can get. On the basis of what Malcolm and Peter have said I ask every one of the readers of this blog to think very carefully when you vote in the forthcoming election, because from where I'm standing the only party that is giving any genuine thought to the future of the country in respect of climate changes, water, farming practices, and the environment generally are the Greens.

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Annabelle Dickson
October 7th, 2007

I am appalled and horrified that this pulp mill has been given the go ahead..to see the distruction of 200,000 hectares of pristine forest is NEVER justifiable.Tasmania had an opportunity to turn its magnificent forest into a
major tourist destination and at the same time preserve not only the forest and all the life which it supports (including us) but the very air we breath. I also want an answer to Seanator Milne's question:-
"How can a mill that adds 10 million tonnes of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere every year be worlds best practice?"

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Helen Broadhurst
October 7th, 2007

I agree with the suggestions re the ANZ bank -It's the way for individuals to contibute to making a difference.

If you have an account with them - DESERT!

Money is the final arbiter in all such matters. They haven't approved the loan yet.

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Lyn Healey
October 7th, 2007

I suspect that there is now little we can do to prevent the mill going ahead. Our last recourse is to lobby the financial institutions. Clean and green is a little like the Oil's Blue Syk Mining song - its always jobs over the enviornment. Shame. A real shame. I hope we can do something very positive for the beautiful Tamar Valley, River and Bass Straight and all the people who live there and make a living there now.

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Sally Goss
October 7th, 2007

I am still appalled. The wonderful old timber is logged and there is a ? 50 year contract. Sounds a total disaster to me!

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Elizabeth Eviston
October 7th, 2007

Money rules the day not concern for the environment nor concern for the health & well being of local residents, in the greater scheme of things consideration for the only home we have comes last as far as governments are concerned. When will Australians vote in someone who puts the serious issues first ie. green technology, saving & planting forests for us all instead of the selfish & exploitive efforts of Big Business grabbing first stakes in everything & destoying the planet we all share.

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Naomi Davine
October 7th, 2007

People power stopped the dam once before in Tasmania, maybe its time again, for some peaceful people action. Other wise we will have to answer for so much. We have so little Pristine forest left.

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October 7th, 2007

Looks like the poor residents of the Tamar Valley are stuck with the environmental disaster that the pulp mill will create. Such a shame. Well, Malcolm Turnbull, I sincerely hope your restrictions on the mill will do what you reckon they will, because heaven help you, you will never be able to undo the damage the mill will create; so you'd better pray that the massive damage will be partially negated by those restrictions.

Vale clean air and pristine environment. Soon you will be just a memory.

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Cynthia Spurr
October 7th, 2007

I support the fighting to stop the building of this mill. I want the old growth forrests to be preserved and the sustainable way. Tourism should be the economic future for Tassie not pulp mills.

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Phil Davis
October 7th, 2007

The pulp mill evaluation process is/was an absolute disgrace, those involved in the decision making process are, in my opinion, unfit for public office (Risdon Prison would be a better place for them). Gunns and Forestry Tasmania are already stealing our quality of life. Over the past decade pollution from regeneration burns has made it unsafe to venture out for exercise at night in the Tamar Valley, because of the extreme pollution in the valley. It is impossible to sleep with the windows open for fresh air. In the West Tamar our water tastes of burned ash after heavy rains, one can only assume it is laced with atrazine and other nasties as well. In all but the driest months, the air over the northern part of the state reeks of smoke and the chemicals used to fuel these burns. Animals are poisened and die in our watercourses, many of which have less flow due to the amount of water taken up by plantations. Together Forestry Tasmania and Gunns are turning Tasmania in to the "Ashtray Isle", the government is deliberatley dividing the community and the farming community is being decimated as the mother of all Tax avoidance schemes fattens the plantation industries holdings. IMO Right up here with Communist China's "Great Leap Forward"..

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October 7th, 2007

I am utterly disappointed in the elected government as well as in Peter Garret's stance to approve the mill providing there are stringent requirements that Gunns adhere to. I think that it is disgusting to think that in this day and age people are still willing to put money and profit before the environment we live in now and of future generations.

I actually cried reading after reading the devastation that this mill may cause, and that despite the majority of residents opposing the mill, government officials still orride public opinion.

When will our governments listen to the people?
Why not have a public forum and then a referendum for the people who live in that area to decide?
Why do we allow the government to say what is right when they are not the ones who will be living there?
Malcolm Turnbull, will you live in the area knowing that the affects could cause health problems and drastic changes to the tourism and argricultural industries huge losses?
How can you assure a company as big as Gunns to adhere to these so called environmental policies. Once they are built and running who knows what they will cover up in order to continue?

The environment is so fragile and beautiful that to destroy it is to destroy the very air we breath and the land that provides us with so much.

Hug a tree Mr Turnbull and feel the energy it gives you...planation forests are great for timber etc but they will never replace the living breathing energy of a five hundred year old tree. Who are we to take the life of something that has been present for so much of this land's history?

I trust that the voices of the people will stand up and you will see reason before its too late.

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October 7th, 2007

I am utterly disappointed in the elected government as well as in Peter Garret's stance to approve the mill providing there are stringent requirements that Gunns adhere to. I think that it is disgusting to think that in this day and age people are still willing to put money and profit before the environment we live in now and of future generations.

I actually cried reading after reading the devastation that this mill may cause, and that despite the majority of residents opposing the mill, government officials still orride public opinion.

When will our governments listen to the people?
Why not have a public forum and then a referendum for the people who live in that area to decide?
Why do we allow the government to say what is right when they are not the ones who will be living there?
Malcolm Turnbull, will you live in the area knowing that the affects could cause health problems and drastic changes to the tourism and argricultural industries huge losses?
How can you assure a company as big as Gunns to adhere to these so called environmental policies. Once they are built and running who knows what they will cover up in order to continue?

The environment is so fragile and beautiful that to destroy it is to destroy the very air we breath and the land that provides us with so much.

Hug a tree Mr Turnbull and feel the energy it gives you...planation forests are great for timber etc but they will never replace the living breathing energy of a five hundred year old tree. Who are we to take the life of something that has been present for so much of this land's history?

I trust that the voices of the people will stand up and you will see reason before its too late.

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Marg Lavery
October 7th, 2007

I will now no long vote for either of the major parties. Shame on you Labor. Shame. You have lost me. I will now vote Greens for a long time to come. The earth and its needs are more important than money and deals. You should have stood up to the Tasmania Govt, its deals and lack of proper process. Another Franklin and may the people win.

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Nanna Van Dam
October 7th, 2007

This is a huge step in the wrong direction for both the present government & the Labor opposition. Besides the possible (probable) pollution to the area of the Tamar valley & beyond, there is the problem of continuing tree felling to support the mill. Where are all the climate change & greening policies in all this? Down the gurgler as per usual! I am disgusted with all politicians but particularly the premier in Tasmania!

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Glenn Watson
October 7th, 2007

I think Peter Garrett is waiting for an ascension to actual power before making the party machine yield to his will instead of the other way round. However, this waiting game has its casualties, and the Tasmanian environment in the region of the Gunns mill is one of them. A very large casualty indeed - which may be accompanied by Garrett never actually attaining the power he is aiming for.

I have driven through the forests of Tasmania and seen for myself the astonishing devastation wreaked by logging. For every old growth tree actually felled there are many others knocked down as its carcass is hauled to the slaughterhouse. And this irretrievable loss is for PAPER - the most ephemeral of materials in this consumerist world.

How dare Labor provide us with no governmental alternative. While you'd expect this behaviour of Howard et al, Labor may find their move to the right of centre a bit much for their traditional voting base. And we'll get Howard et al again. And Labor will deserve it.

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ann eskens
October 7th, 2007

Malcolm Turnbull bowed to political pressure in approving the pulp mill and Peter Garrett also sold us out. I have seen the destruction done already by Gunns and feel devastated that this project is to go ahead.
I hope the Greens challenge in the courts goes ahead and is successful
Good luck in the fight

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Paul Palmer
October 7th, 2007

lets have a Midnight Oils album burning outside a ANZ bank

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Julie Collyer
October 7th, 2007

I am appalled that another pulp mill is to be built, and especially its location. I am not surprised that Howard's govt has approved it so quickly, on less than adequate environmental assessment, but most disappointed in Labour's support of this disastrous development.

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Kelvin Antaw
October 7th, 2007

This is what the government wanted with the pulp mill. Anything the could use to wedge labor and get the forestry vote in Tasmania. Even something as straight forward as Garrett saying they will amend an act is used as a potential wedge by Abetz. Imagine the Liberals retaining power because they were able to scare the C*&p out of several thousands Tasmanian timber workers. Imagine the damage this government will continue to do if they remain in power. As far as I can tell Garrett had no choice to do what he did. We need to get Howard out.

BTW, once Labor are in if Garrett is serious I think you'll see some pretty stick policing of the environmental conditions by the federal government which may well hobble Gunns anyway.


Story from ABC news web site.
Labor's environment spokesman Peter Garrett has told Channel Ten, if elected, Labor would look at amending the Environmental Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act to address some of the deficiencies it has.



Senator Abetz says the amending the legislation would be tantamount to ripping up Regional Forest Agreements.

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Richard Telford
October 7th, 2007

Your comment The Mill may value add the wood chips, but it will also encourage further destruction of old growth forests by providing a new market. Shame on Peter Garrett, a man who was once highly respected by me - a man who has sold out his principles for political gain.

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keith stott
October 7th, 2007

it is too late for the mill to be constructed because of global warming. if temperature rise is greater than 2 degrees we need every tree available to help control ppm carbon atmosphere content. for every 100 ppm increase the planet faces uncontrollable consequences and the world economy becomes rapidly less important.
read six degrees by mark lynas published by fourth estate london 2007.

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Susan Keleher
October 7th, 2007

Thank you to all Australians who have offered their support to us here in the beautiful Tamar Valley.

Thousands attended the rally at Low Head this afternoon but two of the invited guest speakers, Mr Malcolm Turnbull and Mr Peter Garrett declined the invitation because of 'previous engagements'. Pity! We would have given them the welcome they deserve.

It was a very spirited meeting and we are not daunted by the fight ahead, however we need your continued involvement.

Please visit the website for Tasmanians Against the Pulp Mill http://tapvision.info for more information.

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Alan Bryson
October 7th, 2007

This decision is not surprising given Malcom Turnbull's environmental track record. Having Malcom Turnbull as Environment Minister is like having Dracula in charge of the Blood Bank. What is really disappointing is the response from the so called opposition. For Peter Garrett to support the mill is incomprehensible. When are the two major parties going wake up to themselves.

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Tom van der Hoek
October 7th, 2007

Malcolm Turnbull's decision to allow the pulp mill is just another blow to Australia's fragile ecosystems. And how quickly Peter Garrett said " me too ". Didn't he once sing " better to die on your feet than live on your knees " ? So why is he now prostrate in front of John Gay?
May the voters of Wentworth and Kingsford Smith consign them both to the political wilderness. Neither is fit to speak for the environment in Australia.

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October 7th, 2007

I just hope that everyone out there who has worked so hard to tell the government how wrong this decision would be keeps their voices loud.

When I heard that the green light had been given I felt sick. And to hear comments stating that not only should we believe this will be a worlds best practice mill but also have an 'invisible footprint' as some clever person stated is amazing.

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Ralph McIntyre
October 7th, 2007

If Malcolm Turnbull is talking up "world's best practice" why is there still talk of effluent going into the Tamar ? There should be NO effluent going anywhere from such a mill. It appears that Peter Garrett has sold out. This has disappointed me- I had thought that he, of all people, should know better.
It is not the Labour Party, it is the ME TOO party.

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Stephen Secomb
October 7th, 2007

Thank you GetUp for providing a platform for all us Australians with views that diverge from those of our political rulers - Liberal or Labor. There are all too few such outlets in Oz at present.

It seems to me that the Tamar Valley decision is simply the latest expression of an uncompromising faith in technological/industrial "progress" at whatever cost. While rarely explicitly expressed, this faith is sustained against the implicit belief that this sort of progress will somehow continue to improve our wellbeing in some way or other. And to give it its due, for the last 400 or so years, it has broadly been so. Our lives are longer, healthier, richer and more diverse than could have been imagined 500 years ago.

But now, the costs of our progress are increasing dramatically and there’s no letup in sight. Environmental breakdown, the “war on terror” and the rise of religious intolerance, increases in drug reliance and mental illness, all are symptoms that our way of living in this world is out of kilter. Moreover, the benefits from our heavily restricted definition of progress are rapidly diminishing. Truthfully, who could argue that yet another family company, house, car, kitchen, washing machine, plasma TV, Pierre Cardin outfit or Mikasa dinner set will improve life significantly.

As a society, we need to change the way we live in our world.

What I find so frustrating is that progress could mean so much more. How wonderful would it be if we Australians could explore another way of living progressively?

I encourage all who are interested in taking a new direction to read and endorse Clive Hamilton’s Wellbeing Manifesto. You can find it at http://www.wellbeingmanifesto.net.

Stephen Secomb (stephen.secomb@gmail.com)

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Helen Jacqueline Grant-Taylor
October 7th, 2007

I am opposed to the Mill being located in the Tamar Valley, because it will be an eyesore in such a beautiful area. As such it is a threat to tourism.

What a shame you can't locate the worlds best practice mill at Queenstown. The environment here is already polluted and barren.

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Georgia Richards
October 7th, 2007

when are we going to wake up and realise that we don't own this planet and that we are guests becoming more and more unwelcome every minute. I feel very frightened for my childrens future not to mention other species whose habitats we feel obliged to destroy.

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Echelon Corporation
October 7th, 2007

An Inconvenient Use of Truth

It's not so much the obvious contradiction of Al Gore and his entourage touring the world in jets, buses and cars presenting his power-point demonstration leaving a massive carbon footprint on his movie poster. Where the environmental message loses respect.

It's not so much the contradiction of artists flying in private jets to Inconvenient Live Earth gigs and the concerts and free public transport to the shows being powered by fossil fuels. Where the environmental message loses potency.

It's the promotion of Carbon Trading or Carbon Credits, which is akin to condoning violence as long as you offset the damage with a Band-Aid. To deduce it even further, it's not so much the credit to pollute, but the use of a new form of debt, carbon debt, that will induce a new form of carbon-copy bankruptcy and gov/corp control.

It's the promotion of Emission Sequestration, which is not yet proven to work or be safe and is years away from implementation when we needed the changes yesterday. To deduce this even further, it's not so much the continuation of polluting by expensively sweeping the rubbish under the carpet hoping the earth doesn't move and shake and let the toxins and radioactivity escape, it's the continuation of power over rather than power within.

It's the use of a fear based climate change campaign by government/corporations to keep the status quo and further subjugate the sheep-like masses and increase the meter and control over peoples lives. As is the war on terror, the installments of world war three.

And most insidiously of all, it's the use of well meaning artists by one of the most elitist, warlike and economically combatant families in the world, the Rothschild's who are behind Gore's Live Earth and Carbon Tax, to turn sour grapes into fairy-floss for the kiddies.

Farmed for our money and calmed for our honey.

Some natural renewable energy alternatives are presented to throw the greenies a bone. The word "Bio" is placed in front of the word "Fuel", the word "Hybrid" in front of the word "Car", the word "Eco" in front of the word "Industry" and a fresh coat of green paint is smeared over the ancient ruins of democracy to spruce things up a bit.

Bio-Diesel + Bio-Fuel = Monsanto-Shell & genetically modified crops for fuel reliant on fossil-fuels for production.

All this when people could be power-self-sufficient with solar tiles on their homes and chimney wind power whilst industries excessive needs could be catered for by the many other sources of free energy. If only the renewable technology, which is available now was being supported to a far greater extent, like 100%. But it's all about manipulation and insecure dominating personalities having power over people rather than putting the power back in people's hands. Whilst charging us more for the service at the same time.

Instinctively most of the plans on offer feel too far of into a quickening unknown future where anything could happen in the mean time.

With todays communication technology the message could have been delivered more efficiently, especially when you have the backing of giant corporations to promote you. Planting trees to offset ones climate change guilt advertises a green veneer yet is a token gesture when there are more trees felled than sown.

Yes replant diverse forest habitat, but the trees must live and survive for decades before offsetting CO2 emissions and not be some mono-cultured plantation to be logged again.

Estimations predict there is enough coal in Australia to last the country another 300 years, yet there is enough renewable energy to last the world hundreds of millions of years.

It's archaic to keep digging coal, oil and uranium out of the ground until it's all gone when we can move on from this post modern industrial age to the re-New-able-Age now.

Yet, what if Australia as the dealer was to in a relatively short amount of time, let's say 5 years, cut off supply to our addicted overseas buyers still craving their hit of coal and uranium and become a flagship for the world as the first total renewable free energy state? You don't think our trading partners would attack us economically or forbid, invade us for our resources do you? Surely our friends would applaud such an appropriate revolutionary response to climate change? It will take courage, planning, intelligence, individual empowerment and a revolution of economics to succeed if we choose this new path.

There's a growing fresh water crisis in Australia and the world and coal and nuclear energies are extremely costly, inefficient and use huge amounts of this resource. This lack of fresh water also leaves me with concerns about hydrogen (which is also made from hydrocarbons like oil and coal) as well as the Monsanto-Shell and the land given over and water needed for Bio-Fuel crops of GM corn, sugarcane and palm.

Which begs the question: why does the Australian gov/corp continue to log catchment areas and old growth forests both here and overseas, which attract clouds and rain, whilst complaining of a water crisis and privatizing our H2O?

Cars, buses and trucks becoming vegetarians? Corn is now becoming more valuable to farmers sold as fuel to energy giants rather than as food to grocery giants and pristine forest is being felled to produce palm oil for Bio-Fuel.

Agriculture contributes more greenhouse gases than our cars, motorbikes, 4x4's and jet flights combined, animal farming more so than vegetable crops, but both require fossil fuels for production, especially genetically engineered crops.

We currently produce enough food to feed double the worlds population, so when Monsanto says they need to alter the genes of some potato or pig to help feed the starving they are lying. It's the distribution of food and the drive by giant corporations like Monsanto to reduce localized self-sustainable organic production to increase our reliance on big business that are the real issues.

Some animals eat plants and some animals eat animals, some plants eat plants and some plants eat animals. Life consumes life for life, that's natural, it's what we do with it before we put it in our mouths that tastes bad.

If half the food we produce globally goes to waste that's almost half the greenhouse gas emissions from agriculture that could have been avoided. It's wise to produce slightly more than we need of course, but ultimately the earth can only sustain so may people no matter how at-one-with-nature we are.

Not only do we already produce enough food to feed the world, this planet and our sun naturally produce thousands of times more energy per day than the entire human race consumes per day. There are multiple ways to tap into this huge free energy source, Earth, more than enough to empower all with only maintenance costs. Microbial, Thermal Towers, Geothermal, Solar Towers, Solar Tiles, Micro Hydro, Wind, Wave, Tidal and Bio-Mass.

Then one could debate the existence of the creation of other alternative energy systems suppressed for military or economic advantage.

It comes down to motive, perhaps if the motive behind genetically modified crops and Monsanto was to share the power that food gives our bodies, rather than usurp and dominate agriculture with terminator and predator seeds, then GM would be OK.

Perhaps if the motive behind Free Trade and Globalization was to share the wealth and power rather than the trading of freedoms by corporations undermining democracies around the world, then globalization would be empowering and bring the world peacefully together as one.

If only our motive was the love of love and not the love of money. If only our motives were driven by spirit, adventure and self-empowerment not by insecurity driven dominance over others.


We may walk like lemmings off an environmental cliff into a warlike abyss or we may have an awakening, or perhaps both. For those who do wake up in time and channel their energies toward a United Natures, humanity has an opportunity now like never before to become something great, become a truly advanced civilization in mind, spirit and machine. To become self-empowered and become free from insecurity driven domination, which has only led to conflict and environmental degradation. To be free from manufactured consent manipulated by mainstream media who's pockets are lined by mainstream corporations.

Sure jobs would be lost, but new jobs and industries created. People would not have to work 60 hour weeks to pay their bills because there'd be no more energy bills.
Wealth would be lost, but a more ethical, greener and truer wealth created. Power would be lost, but a new center of power and security created or rediscovered within each one of us. Taking back our power in every way, in every sense of the word, mentally, physically, spiritually and individually, as well as electrically.

We need to set ourselves on an environmental war footing.

The resources (which still include petroleum products) and energy needed to manufacture millions of new hydrogen-fuel-cell hybrid cars if you can afford one (which are still made to break) is inefficient. Platinum is an essential ingredient needed for the construction of hydrogen-fuel-cells, but it's a precious element and we would run short of supplies rather quickly. Producing millions of hybrid half petrol/electric vehicles is a waste of resources too when petroleum's future is fading fast.

One would think converting the old drive-system with hydrogen-fuel-injectors, a compressed-air-motor or an electric motor charged freely by solar panels on the home roof would be a more appropriate move. Until we can produce a Techno-Eco-Vehicle made with, from, powered and constructed by as close to 100% renewable power-self-sufficient means as possible, ending the monopoly of giant energy corporations and gas stations.

Henry Ford developed robust hemp polymer car panels many years ago, yet the steel corporations won the favor of car manufacturers.

The phasing out of incandescent globes in Australia is better late than never, though we should push to have this fully implemented within 3 years worldwide. Yet this is only a gesture and we must demand and be responsible for so much more. We must break the hold of the psychopathic business monopolies for we are the base of the pyramid that they sit upon, and support the new-age corporations to come.

Voting with our feet, dollars and sense has more influence than a vote at the ballad box.

There are many more environmentally unfriendly emissions than CO2.

Weapons manufacturers don't want peace and promote destruction both human and environmental. There's no money in peace, peaceful minds, secure souls, a world as one or a healthy planet for them. An endless war-on-terror serves them well.

Empires and regimes often disguise as aid that which is for their gain. The Australian government's recent dramatic militarized aid to help the plight of dis-empowered Aboriginal populations in the Northern Territory is good in one hand, but in the other hand hidden below the desk lay plans for new uranium mines and radioactive dumps on aboriginal reserves.

Every military force in the world requires oil to engage in the antiquated mentality of war and oil is a finite commodity nearing or past its peak.

Coal + Oil + Uranium = War
Sun + Wind + Geothermal = Peace

We need to stop warring with one another before we'll ever stop climate change or repair the environment. War is something the media has given little or no attention to in regards to warfares impact on the environment.

Perhaps we should push to have the worlds armed forces plant trees to offset the greenhouse gas emissions and environmental destruction from war, but this would seem rather silly whilst they continue to fight, just as it's silly for the rest of us to do it whilst we still pollute.

I wonder if the Vatican will begin selling Sin Credits to offset the spiritual pollution of religion with tens of millions of fundamentalist Christian, little own Islamic, end-timers seeking rapture and doomsday, which of course means a massive environmental catastrophe.

If nobody joined the military there would be no wars and if nobody worked in the weapons factories there would be no military. But how to trust every side to lay down their guns and leave the arms factories together at the same time so everyone wins and no-one loses? Who will protect me? Who will protect me from my protectors?


According to some it's already too late, even if we do make the radical changes necessary humanity won't avoid climatic catastrophe for the giant wheel of perfect misfortune is in motion. Some say what's the point in reducing our emissions when China and India's expanding output of pollution, inefficiency and habitat degradation will render our cuts useless? Where as I feel at least if we do make the changes ourselves individually, we will be somewhat prepared to survive the coming destruction should it occur and be ready to create our civilization anew. Either way eCorp and many others are instinctively driven not to give up on humanity.

An Inconvenient Truth did promote an environmental message and for this many give it kudos, though people were already well aware of the environment through the tireless and passionate works of Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, David Attenborough and alike.

It is difficult not to be suspicious of politicians, a most warranted and valid feeling given mankind's political history. Would Al Gore have bombed and invaded Iraq and Afghanistan after September 11th if he had won presidency?

I think there's a bigger corporate agenda at work and politicians are puppets relatively strung together on the same stage playing opposing roles for the one elitist directorship.

If the religiously Baptist cattle ranching Al Gore has been into climate change for some 30 years as he states in his film, why did he not run on an environmental platform in the 2000 presidential elections against Bush? Because the environment was just as relevant then as it is now. And lets not forget his time as vice president to Bill Clinton trading weapons and fueling wars with campaign funding from oil companies along with not signing the Kyoto Protocol.


I give off greenhouse emissions to, far less than Mr Gore of course, but never the less like everyone else I am also a consumer. It's impossible to live a life without affecting the world, the environment, standing on an ant when walking or killing micro-organisms on our skin when scratching. It's impossible to consume without being consumed, it's impossible to have creation without destruction.

According to quantum science the observer and the observed are one. There is an instantaneous form of communication amongst the particles/wavicles of energy born together in the little big bang of the multiverse universe. Potential is everything and everything is potential. Balance assured, change guaranteed, consciousness rules the energy dream. Where one illusion can bump into another illusion making the space, the time, the world and the dream seem real.

The question is, can we be balanced in our consumption of goods and God and science, balanced in our footprint beside mother natures and balanced in our destruction and creation?


PCD


Excellent informative free to watch videos, interviews and documentaries on the above topics with folks like Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Dr Vandana Shiva, Naomi Klein and many more are linked in this blog on www.myspace.com/echeloncorp

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lyn kennedy
October 7th, 2007

It is ludicrous that both major parties are offering support for this mill. In both cases their support has nothing to do with the central issues of climate change and logging, but everything to do with claiming political seats.
It is all very well for the Chief Scientist to say he was only asked to recommend on the pollution issues but how can he sleept at night when he obviously knows perfectly well what is at stake. Likewise, how can Peter Garrett sleep at night when he also knows what a disaster is being perpetrated. As for Malcolm Turnbull - well the same thing applies but he seems to be staking his political life on the turn of this dice at the next election. Realpolitik is all very well but this is a step too far. A pox on all their houses.

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Lynette Torrens
October 7th, 2007

The Chief Scientist started his statement with "If" - so what will happen 'if' the mill does not or cannot comply and pollution occurs? Malcolm Turnbull uses superlatives (e.g. world's best practice) so often it is hard to believe him. Even if Federal Labor has "always supported" a pulp mill, surely a change of heart is "always" possible? Not enough courage?

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Stephen Secomb
October 7th, 2007

PCD of Echelon Corporation, I don't trust you.

I have had a gutful of wordsmiths pitching their spiels. I do not want more words by the kilo. They are as meaningless as forests reduced to kilos of pulp.

If all you have to offer is words, take them to Canberra. I believe they have currency there.

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October 7th, 2007

Then Stephen why are you here reading everyones words?

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Chris Washusen
October 7th, 2007

Mr. Garrett says "we also recognise that we need to add value to our forest estate"
It would be nice if you distinguished the value you are talking about...
How can any forest have 'value added' if it is cut down and destroyed? And whom is the value added for?

Stop this irresponsible consumption of Tasmania's natural capital!!

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Bryan Lewis
October 7th, 2007

I fully concur with the Minister's recent comment on ABC Television: we need an Environment Minister "with courage and integrity." Would someone let me know when one is found: neither the Government nor the Opposition appear to have a candidate who qualifies...

THE FRANKLIN DAM WAS STOPPED AND SO WILL THE PULP MILL

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October 7th, 2007

"THE FRANKLIN DAM WAS STOPPED AND SO WILL THE PULP MILL", that's the spirit Bryan!!!

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Stephen Secomb
October 7th, 2007

PCD - if you are willing to identify yourself instead of hiding behind some corporate identity, then perhaps I will be more interested in engaging with you. Also, for god's sake, lose the corporate line!

Otherwise, my original observation stands.

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Stephen Yates
October 7th, 2007

I am opposed to the mill. Is winning an election more important in the longterm than the permanent destruction of a huge swathe of irrepacable habitat? I am wondering if Mr Turnbull and Mr Garrett can be sure that their research has got it right, that voters will reward this decision.

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Stephen Secomb
October 7th, 2007

Irreplaceable is a BIG word. How can we sanction such permanency? I'm guessing that the children of my children will not thank us for this.

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October 7th, 2007

Stephen, on the internet PCD is as valid as Stephen Secomb, if that is indeed your real name? I am an artist the website I listed at the tail of my blog reveals all.

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Stephen Secomb
October 7th, 2007

PCD, about two thirds of the way down your blog there is an entry which says "Only the insecure strive for security".

Live up to it!

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Jamie Riddell
October 7th, 2007

The biggest problem mankind has always had is the "illness" greed. Why can't we put in place systems of green energy where greedy people can run these mills in a green way and not just make them into "death mills"? Profits can still be made from green power and the workers of todays poisonious methods can be trained to fill the shoes of newer greener, safer methods of industry. We can't treat the "illness" of greed, but we can change its methods of getting there. We have the technology, we have the majority and we have the planet to protect. Lets do it!

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Russell Langfield
October 7th, 2007

Where's the enormous amount of drinkable water in making paper pulp coming from, only to be poisoned and wastefully pumped as pollution into the sea?

There's drought here in Tassie too. This winter brought only 3 rains, none of any significance whatsoever. The last 2 or 3 years have seen farmers have their irrigation quotas cut.

What's more important, food for our families or wood pulp for other countries to make paper to sell back to us?

What price is Tasmania's Premier Paul Lennon going to charge Gunns' Pulp Mill for water and what the rest of us pay, especially farmers? Or will he just give it to Gunns like he has with our forests?

Will the Mill have to be closed down when farmers have their irrigation water cut again this year?

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Russell Langfield
October 7th, 2007

If anyone has Gunns shares in their portfolio, they should consider to SELL THEM.

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Duncan Grant
October 7th, 2007

Garrett. It's about the planet, stupid.

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Helen Raven
October 7th, 2007

Your comment It's time the Howard government got serious about the environment and stopped bending over backwards to help big business, and is Labour going to be any better? I think not. Peter Garrett seems to watered down his environmental passion since I last heard anything from him!! Mainland Australians must stand up and be counted and help our Tassie friends save their state from the likes of Gunns. I know I'm not going to go to Tasmania for a holiday to look at a pulp mill!!

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gillian bennett
October 7th, 2007

It is time to stop degrading OUR environment for YOUR gain, all of you shor sighted politicians looking for the quick gain of votes via the promise of jobs. In the long term, once the environment is gone, none of this will matter, as everything we know will be gone too. No amount of jobs, votes, money, big houses or flash cars will bring it back either.

For goodness sake, get some backbone and start standing up to the big businesses and stand up for US!

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October 7th, 2007

As an ALP member I find Malcolm Turnbull's and Peter Garrett's statements unsatisfactory. I support what Christine Milne and Judith King say.

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Hazel BAMBRICK
October 7th, 2007

KEEP FIGHTING: LET US KNOW HOW TO HELP AND WILL SOMEONE PLEASE REITERATE THE REALITY - WHERE WILL THE TREES COME FROM TO 'FEED THE APPETITE OF THIS PULP MILL" WHILST IT IS INCOMPRHENSIBLE that thinking people cannot see what a calamity this mill will be for the environment - has anyone actually added up the quantity of trees required over the 50years of this lease.......God help us with leaders like this.....

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Dawn Brand
October 7th, 2007

Please put the environment rather than the economy as top priority by stopping this pulp mill from being built in Tasmania. Don't let future generations be ashamed of us for allowing it to go ahead and risk even more damage to the environment.

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Kerry van den Berg
October 7th, 2007

We arrived from sydney 20 odd years ago to get away from the polution and raised 6 kids close to mother nature where to now ? 6 ft under ?? our kids cant say we did not try to getaway from the rapist of nature

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Leissa Pitts
October 7th, 2007

I am appalled by the decision to approve the pulp mill in the Tamar Valley.
Turnbull has proven his complete inadequacy as any kind of political leader - he affords NO protection or care for the people or natural environment of the area. He is a political prostitute and it shows. He really should be completely ashamed on a personal level. Because politics, as you have seen Malcolm New-man-on-the-block Turnbull, is personal.

Needless to say, I am extremely disappointed in the Labor position. When Rudd first came to the table as the Labor leader I was most excited about his use of the words "social justice". What happened?? there IS no social justice here and I am clearly of the viewed that they have effectively sold out. Fed liberals, you never had my vote. But Fed labor, you have lost mine. Garrett, I remember you from Green conferences in the 80's. I believed you had courage. I also do not think there is anything worth more than your voice - have you done your tune and now just want to cash in?? Unfortunate but that is how it looks.

Leissa

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Karen
October 7th, 2007

I am appalled that in this day and age any government would think they could get away with approving such a mill. With all the technology we have access to and all we know about the potential damage a mill like this can do to the environment it is offensive to all Australians. Do we really have to wait and see what the damage will be before we act?

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Fred Gamble
October 7th, 2007

To Malcolm Turnbull
The prime minister's excuse for inaction on climate change was supported by the science provided by the Chief Scientist at the time (The Rio Tinto director). So don't give us the "based on science" rubbish. We seen and heard it all before.

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Len Johnson
October 7th, 2007

Don't think only for the short term gain. Look at what has already happened to the environment in other parts of Australia where the land and its resources have been raped in the past. No pulp mill!! It's in the best interest of Australia.

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Mark Smith
October 7th, 2007

Doing what your told Peter?
Or are you seriously justifying another short term political decision that pushes us ever closer to the tipping point. I have no doubt you fully understand the meaning of crossing that point which makes this decision even more puzzling. Polatics over common sense wins the day again!
Sad day for Tasmanians who stand to loss the most. They need our support

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Anitra Nelson
October 7th, 2007

Turnbull's reassurances don't count for much. If he has 'imposed the world's toughest environmental conditions on the proposed pulp mill in Tasmania's Tamar Valley', maybe that's because it represents an unusual level of ecological challenges? Deforestation = carbon emissions = global warming = threat to the continuation of the human species.

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Mark Eggins
October 7th, 2007

Peter, is this isn't a sell out of everything you stand for I dunno what is. What price the environment for a few marginal seats? Would you have approved the Franklin Dam these days?

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Marcia Corderoy
October 7th, 2007

Peter Garret the only honest action that you can take is to resign your position.

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Ryan Heath
October 7th, 2007

I am surprised at the number of GetUp members who are saying they don't hear anything from Peter Garrett or that he's sold out ...

The evidence is on www.petergarrett.com.au for all to see, and as responsible activists we have a duty to be informed, not just to whinge when politicians don't say everything we want to hear.

At least one positive statement about concrete action to protect the environment every day is on Peter's site.

Addressing climate change and turning around the neglect of this Government is about more than the pulp mill.

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Philip Chant
October 7th, 2007

I just want to add my voice to the many who feel sick to the stomach at the thought of pristine forests and waterways being raped and polluted. I have voted for Howard before but not now, not ever, this evil man should go.

But I agree with most of the comments in this chain - and that is the selling-out of Peter Garrett. It is he and Kevin Rudd who are most at fault here. Doing anything they can to slip and slide their way into government by agreeing with whatever attracts the majority vote. Sickening hypocrisy. I shall vote Green this election - and no preferences either way.

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October 7th, 2007

Your comment

Farmers have had to learn to diversify. Why not the timber industry ?? Please don't pulp our children's future. We must protect this planet !!

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Daniel Caffrey
October 7th, 2007

I want to question the size of the mill. Why does it have to be this massive. It is going to exhaust the supply of wood available to it in a few years and will leave Tasmania as simply a big tree plantation. Gunn's have cornered both sides of politics in Tasmania and it has become the norm to assume that the magnificernt carbon sequestering old growth forests must be cut down as a matter of course to feed our insatiable appetite for paper. This is selling out our national estate for quick bucks. If Gunn's want to build a mill, let it be half the size or smaller and be built somewhere else other than on the Tamar estuary.

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Steve Harper
October 7th, 2007

Was there ever any doubt that this would be decision? Turnbull has tried to give his decision more weight by his delay and taking scientific advice but there was never any doubt. The mix of, win the next election at any cost, nothing must harm the economy, and the pressure from Gunns won the day.

As for you Peter Garrett, well I feel sorry for you. How do you sleep after this. Labor recruited you for your environmental credentials. As these are now in tatters what use are you to them now? What use are you to us? How can we trust that your decisions (assuming Labor is elected) come from a true heart? I guess we all have to just lower our expectations yet again.

What the major parties don't seem to get is that if you degrade the ecosystem enough there won't be an economy to protect. As a previous blogger stated "it's about the planet, stupid".

Politicians with few exceptions a very disappointing.

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John Purtill
October 7th, 2007

I seriously dont understand how "best practice" can be of any rational argument for a gunns pulp mill, nor can "value adding" rationalise such destruction of our great wilderness and natural habitat. Shame on you Peter Garrett, I guess that's what we get when we put a rock star into politics because his popular songs might indicate some affiliation with fairness and doing the right thing. What the hell does "shambolic" mean. As voters, what were we thinking? "200,000 HA of forest destroyed" is part of your idea of "best practice" is it Peter? How could a "forest estate" as you put it, include a pulp mill which gets rid of 200000 hectares of itself? Do you understand any of the things on paper you have just signed your name to? I suggest you invest in either a good secretary to read to you or invest in a good dictionary. I love your music though, Peter. Forgive me for loving this planet, and especially, this country so much. We do not want to see this beautiful country be destroyed for the sake of greedy investors. I don't know what it will take but it will have to be the greatest protest ever which will stop these bastards from making such a diabolical mistake. We can only hope that it will be a peaceful process not anarchy that keeps this mill of death out of Tasmania.

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Rob McGlynn
October 7th, 2007

A pathetic decision to appease the real power behind Tasmania. When wil you people wake up to your responsibilities, instead of being interested in your "careers". You have an obligation to the future - both for our nation and the planet. if it's true we get the politician we deserve, God hep us!

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andy carter
October 7th, 2007

can't say i agree with the decision, but good to see a minister discuss it in public, with the public, even if it isn't face 2 face

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janet tough
October 8th, 2007

Just can't understand Garrett and the Labor party. What chance do all the other life forms on this small planet have while political parties act in so much ignorance and lack of humanity. EARTHLINGS deserve better than these insane men can offer from their fiscally driven approaches. Thousands of lives are at stake!!! Maybe millions. and do these people give a damn? Temporary caretakers, what are you doing to our beautiful EARTH? Grandmother here saying, you are insane boys, I regard your actions as deadly crimes against future life.

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John
October 8th, 2007

What a devastating decision.

This is an excellent article which explains just why the massive deforestation continues in Tasmania, why Tasmanian Farmers are being pushed off the best soil in Australia, and why it will all accelerate:

http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/weblog/article/the-new-democracy/

We must understand that a vote for Liberal/National or Labor is the same thing.(only the flavour of IR differs) Such a vote is NOT a vote in the interests of the Australian people.

The only viable Opposition party in this country is The Greens. If you are a Patriot and love Democracy and your Country the choice is there for you to make. (I am not a member of The Greens)

Oh, by the way, here's a stat on Employment in Tassie:
Australian Bureau of Statistics data for February 2007
Employment in cafes, restaurants and accommodation was 16200.
Employment in forestry and logging was 3900.
Direct employment in the whole Tasmanian tourism industry is 22900.
Direct employment in wood and paper product manufacturing, logging and forestry is 7200 or less than a third of the number employed in tourism.
Source:

http://tapvision.info/node/127

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Sarah Robinson
October 8th, 2007

How anyone in the world could think this is a good idea let alone approve it in our current climate is a joke. The Government says that it cares about fighting global warming and then approves something like this. We do not need to cut down more trees and create more greenhouse gasses. This is just absolute madness and makes me very very angry and sad.

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roger brown
October 8th, 2007

This gives gunns 50 YEARS to rape and destroy Tasmania, this is OUR forests, not gunns. Shame on ANZ, Perpetual Trust, cancel your bank accounts with them and tell them why. Vote greens, at least your money vote won't go to these other parties.

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Echelon Corporation
October 8th, 2007

Oh Stephen Secomb you are mis-leading people, nowhere in my blog do I use the line "only the insecure strive for security" that is a quote by Wayne Dyer. Regarding the length of my blogs, I shall with my free speech choose to write as short or as long a response as I feel to express. The Get Up team approved it before posting it on site.

Why would an artist/activist be called Echelon Corporation or eCorp? Why did the film makers of the documentary, The Corporation, entitle their film "The Corporation" giving it it's own corporate logo though the movie enlightens people to how giant corporations undermine democracies around the world? Because it is relevant, it helps describe what the film is about and they smartly use a logo (silhouette of a suited man with a halo and devils tail) a proven marketing tool, using corporate tools to defeat corporate tools (including the idiotic types).

Interesting how so many contributers to this Get Up blog feel the go ahead of the new pulp mill is madness in a time of climate change, I agree. What I find curious is members of Lib/Lab either have no conscious and are akin to corporate puppet psychopaths in behavior or ?

I was talking about this topic with a fellow I met down the street recently and he told me that Japan is no longer building any new pulp mills and a deal has been done for this mill to destroy a lot more than just Tasmanian forests. I shall see if I can learn more.

I may not agree with everything the Greens do or say at times but realistically they are our only vote hope chance for a new approach to environmental and social issues.

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joelle buckman
October 8th, 2007

Peter Garrett,
Its pretty sad to see you holding the party line on this. We expect better from you. Be stronger.
David Bennett

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Ryan Heath
October 8th, 2007

Dear Justin Paul Sammons

The only reason you can't tell the difference between Labor and Liberal is because you aren't doing any homework.

It wasn't Malcolm calling for a world's best practice pulp mill months ago - he was going to let it sail through - it was Labor who wanted those higher standards.

Remember it's Labor who has a greenhouse gas reduction target, wants a proper renewables target, will show some leadership on Kyoto and post-Kyoto, will give you cheap loans for green home improvements, is anti-nuclear ... ring any bells?

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Ernest Gavey
October 8th, 2007

Can anyone tell me how many seedlings each of us in the rest of Australia would be required to plant per week, in order to neutralise the destruction of this huge carbon sink that will be destroyed to make cardboard boxes?

How stupid are we getting, letting this happen ? ?

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Wilton Troop
October 8th, 2007

Many Tasmanians may be inclined to support the Coalition's pulp mill proposal on the grounds that it will provide jobs. The mill will provide few jobs compared with the tourism and hospitality industries which are growing in Tasmania which is gaining in popularity. The mill should not go ahead under any circumstances.
Ian Parmenter, Margaret River.

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Robert leckie
October 8th, 2007

I have lived in Tasmania and seen the devastation that occurs from clear felling and the so called regrowth, usually one species only. It takes several hundred years to create an old growth forest, not 50 or 100 years. consider the carnage in wildlife and plant species that are lost when a forest is clear felled and burnt. Tasmania has been logging its old growth forests for over 20 years, it has to stop otherwise there will be nothing left for people infuture generations to see and wonder at.We need all our trees to help reduce global warming. What is the sense in planting trees if we are cutting them down faster than we plant them.

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Allyson Mutch
October 8th, 2007

I was deeply disappointed to hear and see Peter Garrett say he supported the Government's decision on the Gunn's pulp mill. It was one of the most disturbing moments of this 'pseudo' campaign. I still had some hope up until that point, but I now realise Peter is also powerless. There was a look of resignation on his face - I guess he fully understands how powerless he is.
Thankfully Bob Brown and Christine Milne fight on.

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October 8th, 2007

Thinking about the pulp mill decision it is time to recall the words of our great poet and activist Henry Lawson in his poem 'Freedom on the Wallaby".

Written by Henry Lawson and printed in the Worker in Brisbane (May 16th 1891). This was Lawson's comment on the use of the military to put down the Shearers Strike. It was read out in the Queensland parliament with calls for his arrest for sedition. (folkstream.com)

The pulp mill is yet another example of power being exercised for the powerful to support their interests and to hell with wants and needs of ordinary people.

Unfortunately it would appear not much has changed in 100 plus years.

Freedom on the Wallaby

Australia's a big country an' Freedom's humping bluey
An' Freedom's on the Wallaby Oh dont you hear her cooey
She's just begun to boomerang she'll knock the tyrants silly
She's going to light another fire and boil another billy

Our fathers toiled for bitter bread while loafers thrived beside them
But food to eat and clothes to wear their native land denied them
And so they left their native land in spite of their devotion
And so they came or if they stole were sent across the ocean

Then Freedom couldn't stand the glare of Royalty's regalia
She left the loafers where they were and came out to Australia
But now across the mighty main the chains have come to bind her
She little thought to see again the wrongs she left behind her

Our parents toiled to make a home hard grubbing twas and clearing
They wasn't troubled much by lords when they was pioneering
But now that we have made the land a garden full of promise
Old Greed must crook his dirty hand and come and take it from us

So we must fly a rebel flag as others did before us
And we must sing a rebel song and join in rebel chorus
We'll make the tyrants feel the sting of those that they would throttle
They needn't say the fault is ours if blood should stain the wattle

This work, particularly the last two verses, clearly highlights that the power brokers and their mouthpieces (Labour/Liberal) in this country still only at best pay lip service to social justice, democracy and freedom.

Money and power are their gods, humans and the environment are simply tools.

Henry was right it is time to fly the rebel flag and join in rebel chorus.

Terry Harvey

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Annabel Tyson
October 8th, 2007

Former Premier Robin Gray is on the Gunns Board, and I guess there's a seat nicely warming for Premier Paul Lennon. Lets hope that Bass MP Michael Fergusson doesnt warrant a board seat as he has done absolutely nothing since he entered politics for the people of Bass.

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hannah sky
October 8th, 2007

Both our major political parties are playing games of power and money with our environment, our lives and our future. Such breathtaking stupidity. And how did Peter Garrett manage to re-organize his thinking so that he toes the party line??
Ordinary citizens around this country understand this issue and its real impacts. Five to six deaths a year - probably doesn't seem so bad when you live somewhere else and its not your child that's dying!
This is a fight not to lose.
As the Dalai Lama says: Never give up!

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Nicolette Black
October 8th, 2007

I am so dissappointed in Mr Garrett! I remember the passion and the power of his singing... and feel that to join the Labour Party was one thing... obviously to join a party meant selling out the passion... now he has sold out on the power that he had.. just by continuing to be the man he was!

Shame on you Peter Garrett! to sell who you are to such a party.... this mill should not be going ahead... and you would never have sanctioned it before!

I as a grandmother.. and an artist who can make paper...paper can be made of any cellulose fibre why not harness all the weeds that have grown because of the drought...for the pulp instead of trees...the water that is poisoned with all the chemicals can be used for other much more important things
my four year old grand daughter told me you die when you are 15 cause it is too yucky now!

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Chris Lawson
October 8th, 2007

The environment is more important than a mill. STOP IT NOW! I am appalled that Malcolm Turnbull has agreed for this development when the indications for the environment are so dire.

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Marie Nitschke
October 8th, 2007

I am also appalled at the approval of the pulp mill and if my voice will help I am raising it to the heavens - please God help us human beings to have some wisdom and to think of the "common good" instead of being so self - interested

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October 8th, 2007

Good morning all
This appears to be agaist the public interest and against what we as Australian's believe in. The facts are simple - we cannot compete internationally on any wood products (including paper) so to approve such a destructive decision is cause for much concern for all of us. It is very disappointing that the almighty dollar takes precedence over what is simply right. There are many questions about the mill proceeding, the process travelled to reach this approval status and quite frankly where the politicians best interests lie. How about if you are pro the mill you back yourself and offer some security/compensation for the destruction it will cause. This appalling and shameful behaviour from our leaders.

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Sue Aird
October 8th, 2007

Perhaps Getup can start a campaign targeting the funder of the GUNNS pulp mill and encourage people to transfer their ANZ accounts to another bank. If the decision to fund the pulp mill looks like hurting ANZ financially, they might rethink that decision.

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October 8th, 2007

World best practice, doesn't mean it is safe for the environment, just a bit better than what we did in the past

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Robert Andrew
October 8th, 2007

We have a prommissed government commitment to a carbon trading scheme on one hand and the same governments approval to remove half a million hectares of forest on the other. I don't understand!

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Susan Houghton
October 8th, 2007

The decision to go ahead with the Tamar Valley pulp mill bodes badly for the environment and the creatures and humans who depend on it for life. It may well spell disaster for all those truly radical politicians who have pledged support for such an industry, with all we now know about the vulnerability of our planet.

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Ayesha Niemeyer
October 8th, 2007

Please prevent the pulp mill going ahead!

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Colin Massey
October 8th, 2007

"Short memory, must have a, short memory" Peter what a disappointment - doing something positive for the environment is more than just singing songs - this is where the rubber hits the road.
I know that Labor so desperately wants to get into power but playing a safe campaign rather than standing up for what you believe in is cowardice - "It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees"
Anyway, the Greens have definitely got my vote.

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Madeleine Hayne
October 8th, 2007

If the Japanese need paper, why not cultivate hemp? You won't need 200,000 hectares for that! We need to grow trees not cut them down. Tasmania is unique. Create jobs through tourism - make the most of Tasmania's natural assests. Are you people crazy! The roads are already dangerous with all the logging trucks. What about the marine environment? There's no such thing as safe effluent!

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peter tasker
October 8th, 2007

Mr Turnbull's decision is inexcusable. Mr Garrett's 'towing the line' is spineless. Destruction of Tasmania's old growth forests to provide 'value added pulp'.....What is the matter with these people....they just don't get it.

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Libby Richardson
October 8th, 2007

Yesterday I stood on the beach in the clean wind and rain at Low Head, a short drive from the site of the proposed pulp mill. I was with thousands (at least 3 and a half thousand according to the police estimate) of other Tasmanians who are taking their voices back from the elected representatives who have deceived, insulted and ignored us. This project has not been properly assessed, and will be damaging to the environment, industry and community of the Tamar Valley, my home. We do not want the pulp mill, and it will not be built. I urge anyone worried about this issue to use their vote to have their say.

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Tim Kennedy
October 8th, 2007

I don't necessarily disagree with having a pulp mill to increase the value of our exports, but I fail to understand why a company the size of Gunns cannot be innovative enough to come up with a solution to pumping dioxins into the ocean.
We don't dump nuclear waste there, so why dump toxic sludge into one of our sources of food?
Its innovation that drives development,not all development needs to pollute.

Whats the problem with unbleached paper? Part of the problem is you - the consumers, you dont ask for it, don't demand it.
If you really want to effect change never forget the power of the consumer at the checkout.

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Robyn Mansfield
October 8th, 2007

Environmental destruction is still just that no matter how you try to dress it up. We've already cleared most of Australia and we're still doing it. What a stupid nation of people we are. We are our values?

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George W Currie
October 8th, 2007

Who will be the conscience of Australia if this magnificent natural forest goes under. The idea of destroying one of the greatest natural wonders is beyond rational thought, i can understand the economics of having the mill and feel for the unemployed families but this is gross negligence from a heritage point of view.
DONT LET THIS HAPPEN

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October 8th, 2007

I have been a Labor voter 30 of my 48 years. Active in my local Branch of the party since Keating left us in 1996. In the Howard years and therefore ALP opposition years there has been a erosion of faith, in the oldest and largest political party in Australia. I took a pledge when I signed on. I cannot commit to that pledge any longer as the Labor Party joins the ranks of the Right and opposes anything reluctently, and in such a benign manner. This is not about Turnbull or Garrett or Howard. This is about the lack of clout/heart/balls/morals that an opposition party does not have to turn this country around. Perhaps the citzenry need to reflect on their own shifting minds to the Dark Side.

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Ron
October 8th, 2007

So the Chief Scientist agrees with de-forestation?...and thats good practice, maybe they dont believe climate change is real, like the Flat Earth Society think the earth is flat!...One thing - I was stuck behind a log truck yesterday and Friday - these log trucks both had ONE log on it - in other wors a HUGE log, many hundreds of yesrs ol, maybe more?...so no old growth forests are being logged?...I have seen it!
NO PULP MILL VOTE GREEN

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Teisha Westwood
October 8th, 2007

I am currently studying a post grad in sustainability and struggle to understand the reasoning behind the support of the Tamar Valley Pulp Mill.

Some don't know this but the original Cheif Scientist and other key scientists actually resigned from the panel citing Government interference. So one could question just how independent the panel was in the end.

It is also such a shame to hear one of the greatest enviromental activists, Peter Garrett, condone the tradegy that is about to occur in Tasmania.

With all of the advertising (being paid for by us)to say how we shouldturn of lights and computers, save water and recycle in order to do our part for climate change how can the government seriously expect the world to agree that a pulp mill which will damage air, water and forest is in our best interest.

It is time our government woke up and started representing Australians and not personal, political and commercial interests.

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Elizabeth Hatte
October 8th, 2007

Though I live in Queensland I believe this appaling decision is a sad comment on all of us and especially on our elected representatives who have conveniently forgotten that there is more to this decision than science. What about the destruction of the native forests, the horrible aesthetic effects on a state that is renowned for its beauty, the livelihoods of the small businesses that rely on a clean environment? Who has taken these into account? I am especially appalled at Peter Garrett's comments in favour of this horrible decision and will no longer give Labour my first preference. It's going to the Greens.

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Darren Valentine
October 8th, 2007

Im sick of big business making government policy. When will we all realise theres actually more to our existence than economics.

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Janet Stacey
October 8th, 2007

Eevn if all these extra measures meet environmental pollution concerns, what is this mill going to pulp? I call on all politicians to demand the end of cutting down our native forests. There is an old Cree Indian saying:

Only when the last tree has died
And the last river has been poisoned
And the last fish been caught
Will we realise we cannot eat money.

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Mary Rawlings
October 8th, 2007

The only heartening thing about this mess is the geographic spread of the protestors. Big business, and their government accomplices, have always been able to pick off any area because of the apathy of those far away who feel they will not be affacted, so do nothing.

This is yet another short term gain for a few (and I don't mean the jobs because we all know tourism would provide far more) at the expense of the rest.

Peter Garrett is not weak, he has sold out and as someone else said his environmental credentials are now worthless. Forget him.

Fight on, remove our money from any institution that funds this and above all Vote for the Greens - votes are the ONLY things that move politicians. Oh yes one more thing - keep supporting GETUP!


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Jen Anderson
October 8th, 2007

Shame on you Labor & Peter Garrett for brown-nosing for votes and short-term political gain. Now is the time to stand up and stop logging of old-growth forests and to look for alternative energy employment opportunities in Tassie and the rest of Australia, built on strategies that face head-on the challenges of climate change. Sorry, loggers, some jobs have use-by dates; over centuries we have seen changes in work sectors as reflections of economic and social change - climate change demands of us a response that will transform our ways of resource use and managament. Let's stop shilly-shallying and make the hard decisions now.

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Hannah Parris
October 8th, 2007

Although I wouldn't have expected anything else from Turnbull, I have to say Peter Garrett: you are such a hypocrite. To once think that Australian environmentalists actually saw you as a leader and role model.....

People of the Tamar Valley please remember that you are NOT alone in this fight against the mill. Many many Australians are with you one this one. So let us all do at least one thing: vote for the only political party that is actually against the mill.

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Kate Maloney
October 8th, 2007

I cant believe that we have not learned by now no trees no rain. To call Turnbull the envoirment and water Minister is laughable like usual this is a money decission and Peter Garrett you are a disappointment to so many of your generation. I will for the first time in my life not be voting Labor in the House of reps.It will be Green all the way.

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Kevin Sharpe
October 8th, 2007

sad day indeed when Peter Garrett is shown to have less personal integrity than Malcolm Turnbull (at least Malcolm Turnbull is consistent in his belief in exploitation of public estate for private enrichment at the expense of future generations).
As a member of the ALP I'm beginning to feel disenfranchised. Mr Rudd - I Do Not Like Feeling This Way. It Is A mistake To Take My Support For Granted! It Is A Mistake To Take My Vote For Granted!

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susie Smith
October 8th, 2007

I can understand how helpless you must be feeling. I know how beautiful your part of the country is and it must be protected from this terribly wrong decision . I want to know where our votes should go at this next election to help you best. It certainly doesnt appear to be with labour or liberals!

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Olive Yanelli
October 8th, 2007

I was shocked to hear that both political parties are supporting a pulp mill in Tasmania, do these parties have no regard for our future, is our future really all about the economy? I think I am more surprised and shocked that Peter Garrett, my labour member, is actually agreeing with this, Peter where are your principles? What happened to climate change? What will happen to environmental change. Peter & Malcom don't go down this track. Greens you've got my vote.

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Kevin Sharpe
October 8th, 2007

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all of you advocating voting Greens. I suspect the ALP is not overly concerned with this since it expects the majority of Green preferences will flow to the ALP. Your vote will only have validity within the context of this discussion if you take the time to find out how to stop your vote dead after the Greens. Contact the your local Green candidate to find out how to do this if you don't want your vote to be a defacto one for the ALP

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Cate Cahill
October 8th, 2007

Can we start a hemp for paper campaign with the view to reducing our reliance on decimating forests for woodchip??

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Duncan Grant
October 8th, 2007

Dr Seuss is very instructive on this matter. Read the "The Lorax" Peter Garrett. Think of the children!

And at that very moment, we heard a loud whack!
From outside in the fields came a sickening smack
af an axe on a tree. Then we heard the tree fall.
The very last Truffula Tree of them all!

No more trees. No more Thneeds. No more work to be done.
So, in no time, my uncles and aunts, every one,
all waved my good-bye. They jumped into my cars
and drove away under the smoke-smuggered stars.

Now all that was left 'neath the bad-smelling sky
was my big empty factory...
the Lorax...
and I.

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Sue Heart
October 8th, 2007

I do not know what I can do to help, but I really feel strongly about this mill NOT going ahead and so I voice my position here, contributing to a louder voice of the people saying, "No!" to this. Let's keep raising our vibration, not by fighting, but loving the earth and her people. That way, we help raise the vibration of the planet and these acts of destruction can no longer exist. Individually, step by step, in our own hearts, in our own homes....everything we think, say, do, has a ripple effect which naturally expands out into the wider community. Let's think, act, do more from a place of love.

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Margaret Kerr
October 8th, 2007

With all the knowledge we now have of human impacts on our planet, how can we be so short sighted as to allow the plundering and pollution of what little natural environment we have left?

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Jenefer Plummer
October 8th, 2007

Gunns wanted to build this mill because their old mill, further away, had become old and needed to be shut down. If they want a mill in Tasmania, why not build it where the old mill was? Why destroy a new area? Not just the incredible old-growth forest will be damaged by this, but all the local industries, including eco-tourism, will be badly affected. More jobs will be lost in Tamar as a result of this mill than will be gained!

Logging as Gunns does it is not a sustainable industry. Jobs gained in this mill will not last, especially when Malcolm Turnbill himself has stated, more than once, that deforestation is the number one contributor to climate change. We should be looking to Europe for a model of 'best practice'. Sweden and Finland have long-term very sustainable forest industries that have been operating for a very long time. The Australian timber industry should be learning from them!

But I understand that Labor has to be careful on this issue. It was their opposition to more mills in the last election that lost them several seats in Tasmania.

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Mark Higgs
October 8th, 2007

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It is beyond belief in these times of climate change that we are destroying carbon sinks and adding volumes of Carbon dioxide and pollutants to the environment. Sustainability is not a term understood by the greedy and power-hungry. A 50 year permit will be the curse of John Winston Howard.

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vin Naidoo
October 8th, 2007

I am appalled at the decision. Turning our old growth forest into pulp - WOW - and worse, threatening long term sustainable industries including tourism. Have we learnt anything? Leave the carbon sinks alone - leave Tasmania alone. Aus has the worst environmental record with more species extinct - perhaps we are trying to set the benchmark so that is no chance than another nation will ever catch up and we can be looked upon in years to come as being the most irresponsible 'smart' country in the world.

It is so hard to remain positive and to continue to lobby for social and environmental values against the sole driver of economics (and economics for a minority - not the broad public). Here we are sequesting carbon via tree planting but we continue to log at greater rates than we can sequest. Short term gain long term pain!!!!

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Lucienne Noontil
October 8th, 2007

How can they think of decimating such a beautiful area. Let's me more accountable for the environment. The pollution ripple effect reaches out into Bass Strait to other industries. Let's look after this planet and say NO to this disgraceful pulp mill.

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Frank Gomez
October 8th, 2007

Like so many I am extremely dissapointed with the stand of Peter Garrett on the issue of pulp mill. There is not a single example worldwide of the ideal pulp mill that they try to sell us.They do not provide the amount of labour they claim, the local employment falls once implemented.
The destruction of pristine forests and pollution of air and water does not grant the aberration of the pulp mill.
Peter you have fallen off the pedestal, it is not enough to sing songs of defiance, valient actions are needed, and you failed. The labour machinery has destroyed you.

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Lazarus LEONHARD
October 8th, 2007

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, Money, Money, Money.
The Infantilisation of our community is well ingrained! What are we going to do without the work? Elect Howard and Turnbull to stay the course and be afraid very afraid!

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David Mccarroll
October 8th, 2007

I probably shouldn't have expected any more from Malcolm Turnbull, but Shadow Minister Garrett's appalling boilerplate response to the decision has totally destroyed my faith and belief in his personal integrity built up over the last thirty or so years. He really should have the guts and integrity to at least refuse to comment, rather than standing up in public and proferring a biege comment designed to minimise electoral fallout. In fact this has had the opposite effect, at least for me, and brings me one step further in my total disillusionment of party politics. I guess the Greens will be getting my vote at this election - at the very least they display integrity and non-adjustable beliefs.

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Ian Mack
October 8th, 2007

Why do our Pollies use spin doctoring rather than straight talking?
Because in a Two Party system only marginal seats matter to both the Conservatives & the ALP. Only by being in a marginal electorate will they care what we think as a voter on anything.
Do Democracy and the world a favour if you live in a "Safe seat" and Marginalise your electorate.

When Malcolm & Peter sound like Tweedledum & Tweedledee its the only way to make your vote count. Spread the word lets make this the BBQ stopper & see if we can get the pollies to actually represent there constituents not their faction leaders. Does anyone believe this mill would be an issue if the pollies actually represented us?

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sean caddy
October 8th, 2007

How can anything which emits 64,000 tonnes PER DAY of waste into Bass Straight and relies on logging old growth forest be environmentally acceptable, sustainable or even sensible? This is another example of the lack of difference between the major parties - they both stand for economic rationalism (which is often irrational). It is a shame that Peter Garret has sold his soul. I guess the only answer is to vote Greens.

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Alison Roache
October 8th, 2007

Peter Garrett, how do you sleep at night!
Gunns could make more money trading carbon credits than turning the beautiful region into paper pulp. I really don't understand the reasoning or economics.
The labor party is cloning itself on the liberal party so there is no apparant difference. Is this a ploy to win over Howard's 'middle Australia'? Unfortunately it is sending traditional labor voters to the Greens. If only they were a viable opposition.

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Annie Stevens
October 8th, 2007

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I am saddened and angry at the decision to go ahead with this pulp mill. I am quite shocked that it has been given the go ahead seeing as 88% of people polled by The Age were against it. I am disappointed greatly in Peter Garrett who seems to have 'sold out' since becoming Shadow Environment Minister. Does no one care anymore? is it all about big business and money making? No more Labor for me - I'll be voting Greens at the election.

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October 8th, 2007

As a Tasmanian now living and working in Sydney, I am appalled at the decision to approve the Gunns pulp mill in the Tamar Valley.

This has to be the last straw in short term political opportunism at the expense of reasoned rational decision making and good government.

Blind Freddy can see that the decision making process was seriously flawed and that the final track to approval was via an assessment of the issues that was purposely designed to be narrow enough to get the proposal up, without any real consideration of many important factors - not only, but especially including, the cost in terms of quality of life for the residents, long term community health and environmental consequences and potential deleterious impact on the tourism, wine and other "light on the land" industries that have so enhanced the area along the Tamar in recent times and that will now be forced to coexist with this ever so wrong headed blight on the landscape and the consciences of those who have so blindly (knowingly?) allowed it to happen.

The economic rationalism and ever increasing political spin that has so badly eroded any vestige of common sense statesman-like government for the long term benefit, security and happiness of all, and which has quietly subverted any idea of action for "the common good" in both major political parties in Australia - state and federal - (and their equivalents throughout most of the rest of the world) must reverse if we humans are to survive on this planet much longer than the next generation or two.

Malcom and Peter, this was probably your last chance to show that at least you could stand above the greedy, selfish, unthinking and "get me back into power now at any cost" pack of self seeking numb skulls that our politicians have become and neither of you had even the slightest trace of the back-bone, the intellectual wherewithall, THE PLAIN OLD FASHIONED GUTS to take them on and show us at least a glimmer of the integrity you both claim to hold so dear.

SHAME on you , SHAME SHAME SHAME.

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Anna Ginty
October 8th, 2007

Dear Judith King
cc. Malcolm Turnbull

I live in the seat of Wentworth and I will help you with my vote.

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Tasman Cassim
October 8th, 2007

This mill must be stopped. Together, and only together, can we stop it

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Carmel Montgomery
October 8th, 2007

Dear Tamar Valley residents,

Your fight is a good one. We must put the enviroment ahead of the economy if we are eve going to turn around the dreadful effects of climate change. You live in a beautiful part of the world and that just hightlights the wrong being committed by our representives. They are not reresenting you or me. Then what is our democracy doing?

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John Croft
October 8th, 2007

THE NEXT LEVEL OF THE CAMPAIGN

Now that the Minister has given approval to the project we need to move on and engage in two new directions in our actions

1. Supporting Bob Brown and the Green's challenge to the legality of the Minister's actions - which seem in violation of the Act.

2. Putting pressure upon the ANZ Bank as a major investor in the Gunns proposal.

How is this to be done?

Firstly we need to mobilise ANZ Bank Shareholders. How can we do this? By using "the 6 degrees of separation" everyone is connected to people who know Australians who are shareholders of the ANZ Bank. A Database of shareholders needs to be quickly developed. Once you identify a shareholder could you forward the following petition for signing.

For the Earth
John Croft
of the Gaia Foundation
(Western Australia)

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STATEMENT PURSUANT OF SECTION 249P OF THE CORPORATIONS ACT 2001
To: Australian and New Zealand Banking Group Ltd
ABN 11 005 357 522

Pursuant of Section 249p of the Corporations Act 2001we the undersigned (when aggregated with other signatories) in total more than 100 members who are entitled to vote at a general meeting request that the Company give to all members the statement outlined below that has been submitted by members making the request about a matter than can properly be considered by members at a general meeting.

“Shareholders concerned about risks to ANZ Bank over possible investment in the Gunns Pulp Mill in the Tamar Valley”

As Shareholders we commend the ANZ Bank for agreeing to become a signatory to the Equator Principles for Social and Environmentally Responsible investment.

Pulp prices in competition with cheap pulp in South America requires subsidized timber from old growth forests and that the pulp prices to remain high. These conditions are financially risky, especially as when the Australian government adopts a carbon trading regime it will have the effect of reducing and removing the taxpayer funded subsidy of cheap Native Forest timber for the pulp resource to the pulp mill.

Furthermore the cost of tradespeople during the construction phase, given the labour shortages for skilled trades has not been properly assessed. Independent economic analysis even shows, contrary to Gunns’ claims, that the mill will destroy more jobs and wealth than it creates.

The project also violates the Equator Principles that the ANZ Bank is a signatory to, in particular -

The Equator Principle 1: for due diligence and social environmental screening on impacts EPFI needs to consider the effects of the project, threatening havoc on the tourism, fishing, agriculture and wine industries in the area, and do untold environmental damage, not just for producers in the Tamar Valley, but also for signaling reduced incentives in contributing to global warming and climate change with the risks of the East Australian permanent drought.

The Equator Principle 2: As the Gunns proposal fails in its mandated Social and Environmental Assessment to include appropriate mitigation and management strategies to deal with these issues, their application for funding from ANZ should be excluded as a result of failure to address EPFI Principle 2.

In particular there has been less than adequate consideration of

• the environmental impact of the mill, including:
• the poisoning of Bass Strait from the 64,000 tonnes of daily effluent containing harmful dioxins and furans;
• the air pollution (including carcinogenic pollution and odours) from the plant and its damaging health effects on the local population and industries;
• greenhouse gas emissions, both directly from the mill and as a result of the logging that will feed it
• effects on local wildlife, including wedge-tailed eagles (which nest in the area), Tasmanian devils, Swift parrots, bandicoots and quolls. Marine life affected will include fish, lobster, abalone, scallop, sharks, whales, seals, and dolphins
• the fact that the approval process has been completely inadequate, with heavy interference and pressure from Gunns, who ultimately walked away from the process
• the proposed conditions on the mill are equally inadequate – with no fines or shutdown in the case of a breach of the conditions

As the Minister in making his decision may have acted illegally according to the provisions of the Act, and legal action is currently being threatened, due diligence would demand that the ANZ Bank not support the Gunns proposal. If the ANZ breaks its EPFI Principles and supports the pulp mill it is likely to lead to community protests against the ANZ Bank by the Australian community, it is against the interests of shareholders of the Bank.

If Gunns was to agree to these following conditions:
• the mill is moved to the more suitable Hampshire site
• the mill is fed entirely by plantation timber
• the plant uses a closed-loop system for effluent, not dump it into Bass Strait
• the mill is entirely chlorine free -- not simply Elemental Chlorine Free as Gunns is proposing

- then EPFI principles would be met,, the mill could be guaranteed a greenhouse positive supply of pulp timber at competitive prices, and Australians would support the ANZ Bank’s funding of the project. This would be in the interests of ANZ Bank Shareholders.

Accordingly, in the interest in mitigating any risks to the reputation of the Bank we ask the Board to insist that Gunns adopt the four conditions listed above in their submission to the Bank for investment in the project.

SIGNATURES OF MEMBERS WHO ARE GIVING NOTICE

Signature Name of Sharholder

_______________ _______________________________________

Date

___/___/____
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Cherie Rien
October 8th, 2007

This is another prime example of the stupidity of mankind in general, global warming, poluted air,polluted waterways,and over ravaged forests. All for the minorities own political agenda. What will be left for our children and grandchildren? I think devistation.As for Judith Kings remarks I could not agree more strongly and would like for her to know that there are many Aussies not living in Tasmania who support the people fighting to stop this mill. Gunn Mine how appropriate it is like sticking a gun to the head of the planet and blowing its brains out!

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Pip Else
October 8th, 2007

Malcolm is your promise a core promise?

Peter what made you sell out? Shame on you!

Many years ago the indians had a wise saying

ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED
AND THE LAST RIVER HAS BEEN POISONED
AND THE LAST FISH HAS BEEN CAUGHT
WILL WE REALISE WE CANNOT EAT MONEY

Lets take Gough's advice again. MAINTAIN THE RAGE
Keep fighting to stop the pulp mill. No jobs are worth this enviromental destruction.

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Bill Francis
October 8th, 2007

Did the Chief Scientist get to answer the whole question or was he restricted in his brief? If the latter, was this deliberate? Did the "Carbon neutral" statement ignore the 200,000 hectares of trees that will be destroyed? Will this 200,000 hectares now look like the previously desolated areas in Tasmania's previously beautiful forests? Will even one Old-Growth Tree be cut down? Are we ignoring the symptoms of Climate change?

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Lisa Evans
October 8th, 2007

Shame Peter Garrett

Whatever the Labor party has offered you, or threatened you with, let me tell you now, IT IS NOT WORTH IT!

When the "independent panel" makes its decision after 3 key people resign out of disgust at the process including pulp mill EXPERT Warrick Ravity, you need to think seriously about their advice and whose interests they are serving.

GUNNS has not changed its principles since you stepped into politics, so why are you??

Your a smart man - don't become a mindless member and tow the party line at all costs. Australia needs your passion, and your courage - GET UP PETER GARRETT!!!!

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Jan Kosky
October 8th, 2007

I am incredibly disappointed in Peter Garrett and the Labour Party over this and other issues. At what point will they really differentiate themselves over the environmental concerns of the electorate?

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Anne Patterson
October 8th, 2007

The major parties are driven by pragmatism and policies that belong to the past when discussing climate change. All the more reason to vote for the Greens, intelligent independents and other minor parties

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mike davies
October 8th, 2007

I am desperately disappointed at the Labor Party's stance on this issue.

If they are truly dinkum regarding their environmental credentials they should stop this proposal. Good management of this country should not be determined by political expediency and the ballot box.

Let's do what's right, not what wins seats.

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Elizabeth Thurbon
October 8th, 2007

I was so disappointed to see the mill this get the ok from both major parties. I realise you are both trying to get re-elected and are trying to take a careful middle line. But we need to think more long term. My husband died from Mesothelioma, a cancer caused by asbestos. For years Australia ignored the fact that asbestos kills and pandered to companies like James Hardie. In the end the number of deaths and the actions of the relatives of those who died, meant removal of the asbestos from Hardies products and then ensured that Hardies paid their victims. Unfortunately the environment is still full of asbestos and will be for as long as we can see. We are making the same mistake by polluting our environment and cutting down our native forests. I hope one day Malcolm Turnbull and Peter Garrett will see the long term consequences of their actions. Employment is important for families in Tasmania, but it was also important for the families at places like Wittenoon, but look at the price they paid.

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Deborah Mayall
October 8th, 2007

I don't understand why it is necessary to destroy trees for pulp. Surely there are other forms of fibre that can be used for pulp. Fibre that is more sustainable, uses less water & grows in areas that have less impact on the environment.Hemp comes to mind.Here we are faced with deforestation all over the world & greed once again swallows common sense & places votes before clean earth. How short sited it is, when the world is starved of clean enviro-eco destinations. What is the dollar cost of years of growth on the forests in Tasmania? Far more valuable than a pulp mill can supply.How selfish are we, that we have the right to take away from future generations, all in the name of progress.There are a lot of "sick puppies" out there with more ego, power & money, that ultimately believe that they are beyond & seperate from nature & the earth.

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Richard Keeler
October 8th, 2007

Neither politicians nor corporations can claim any moral position on protection of our environment. Their track record is abysmal and they cannot be trusted to manage or monitor. To encourage massive ongoing reduction of native forest stock while allowing massive amounts of effluent to be pumped into our over-abused oceans is abhorrent.
They cannot be trusted to stop this because their only cause is pursuit of the dollar.
Sadly, people will have to act if we want to see change.

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Global Sov
October 8th, 2007

Politicians are generally liars and mouthpieces for transnational corporations. We have no government. Our government is a corporation under SEC (go look up Commonwealth of Australia-we are listed as a foreign government corporation with Queensland, amongst other countries answerable to SEC or higher). So given that, is it not surprising our water resources have been sold to Goldman Sachs? And who was their frontman back in the days they were making it into Australia? Maybe one Malcolm Turnbull? Did he go from millions income annually to a meagre ministers salary of only $150K? Why would he?

Why don’t the pollies talk about better sustainable resources. Hemp has 4X the yield and output than old growth forests. Why don’t they do hemp crops? Did you know the first Model T Ford was made of hemp? The Queen continues to use hemp as her preferred stationary. Why are we not told this?

As far as “fossil fuels”-there is no such thing. Oil is a renewable resource. Google Thomas Gold or Colonel Prouty. We need free energy that has been hidden away because they can’t tax it. Look up Tesla, magnets, cosmic energy, orgone energy, water engines etc.

Get Pollies to tell the truth first before we all start getting side-tracked on all these issues. They are lying in the first place, so it’s all a distraction.

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October 8th, 2007

I agree whole-heartedly that the pulpmill should not be built. I shall do my best in letting as many people know as possilbe about the situation.
thankyou for the great effort involved in trying to save our earth and ourselves.
Peace and love to all the deffenders

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October 8th, 2007

This decision by the Minister, and its endorsement by Peter Garrett, might just be tolerable if we lived in a culture which recognised that one's word was one's bond and then demanded that it be held to be so.

Project financiers, shareholders, executives, politiciams and regulators would then be aware that the consequence of failure to meet both the letter and spirit of each one of the conditions under which the Mill has been approved would result in it not being permitted to operate, no matter how much had been spent building it. I suspect that the task of living up to the rhetoric and risking real loss would be far too great for each of these groups and the project would founder and all of the problems which our own Chief Scientist was constrained to disregard would fade away.

As never before the world is being required by events to face up to the vacuity of that convenient non-core promise "All will be well - just trust me!"

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alvyn williams
October 8th, 2007

oops...where are the conditions regarding cleaning up the site when the pulp mill is eventually decommissioned?

thats ok...tasmania's a third world country, no cleanup is required

hmmm...considering the true cost of cleaning up the mess Gunns will create here might not make this mill so attractive, but I wouldn't be surprised if Howaruds nuclear power station proposal omits the clean up conditions either...they have to to make the costings work too...

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Bill Francis
October 8th, 2007

Did the Chief Scientist get to answer the whole question or was he restricted in his brief? If the latter, was this deliberate? Did the "Carbon neutral" statement ignore the 200,000 hectares of trees that will be destroyed? Will this 200,000 hectares now look like the previously desolated areas in Tasmania's previously beautiful forests? Will even one Old-Growth Tree be cut down? Are we ignoring the symptoms of Climate change?

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Damon Roberts
October 8th, 2007

I often hear the logging of our old-growth forests referred to by the loggers as a "harvest"... I suppose this euphemism is supposed to make us feel all warm and fuzzy about the logging industry, creating associations with altogether more wholesome agricultural practices. I suppose we can consider ourselves lucky that Gunns are not spruiking their product as "organic" woodchip, for the production of "organic" photocopy paper.
Logging the old-growth forests of Tasmania (and, I should add, remnant forest throughout Australia) is not a harvest... in the face of climate change, and an extinction rate that most biologists agree could claim up to 20% of all extant species in the next 30 years, it is a wilful act of vandalism. The forests do not belong to Gunns, or governments. We only hold them in trust for future generations. We now look back with shame on the extinction of the Thylacine. How much worse will we feel if the Tasmanian Devil, the Koala and (literally) countless more species go the same way? I put it to Malcolm Turnbull, Peter Garrett, and anyone else who fails to condemn the destruction of these massive reserves of biodiversity - how will you be able to look children in the eye, in a couple of generations time, and say that you allowed it to happen - because it seemed like a good idea at the time?

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Marcus Sainsbury
October 8th, 2007

The reason I have been moved to write a letter about the popularisation of environmental issues is not because I am necessarily anti or pro the outcome of the decision by Malcolm Turnbull to approve today, the Gunns Pulp Mill at Bell Bay. Instead I am dismayed at the cheap and tasteless spin that Mr Turnbull’s department has smeared over the announcement. Is there an election coming up? Are we supposed to believe that Malcolm Turnbull is some kind of environmental crusader fighting tough for the good cause...? The headline on the Commonwealth Department of Environment and Water Resources reads “Turnbull imposes world's toughest pulp mill conditions”, and goes on to say “...Malcolm Turnbull has imposed 48 tough environmental conditions on the proposed Gunns pulp mill...”. As an environmental professional with many years experience working in the assessment of large infrastructure proposals, I view with a certain degree of caution any statements proclaiming the strong regulations imposed on developments. One need only look at the “strict” and “best practice” Tasmanian approval for the same Gunns Pulp Mill, where “As far as practicable" is mentioned seven times, "As far as practical" six times, "Where practicable", 25 times, "As practicable," 24 times, and "If possible", 11 times. Mmmmm sounds difficult to comply with... The Commonwealth has imposed a set of conditions that are by no means revolutionary, innovative, or “tough”. For years developments in NSW, and other parts of Australia have required management plans, independent Government representatives to oversee developments, independent expert reference groups, and thresholds for what is acceptable and what is not. These are not “tough”, they are just the reality of working responsibly in the world within which we live. The approval of the Gunns Pulp Mill by Malcolm Turnbull is one issue of which there is a wealth and diversity of opinion about. But the politicisation of an important decision that will certainly have implications for the people of Australia need not get caught up in the spin of who is the most practical greenie. Lets get over it and look at these things objectively. We don’t need spin to accompany the rubbing of salt into the wound created from a project acknowledged to have a significant impact on matters of national environmental significance.

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Ian Henderson
October 8th, 2007

As set out on the front page of the Australian today, Howard sees the approval of the pulp mill as a plus for the Coalition. If this is so it is obvious that Tasmania is to hung out to dry on the basis of a political decision. Tasmania is seen as getting in the way of a possible Coalition win, so it must be sacrificed. Of course this equally applies to the Labor Party.
The proposition that this mill will provide 280 permanent new jobs is falacious. At a time of full employment? These jobs will just be transfers of other workers currently employed in the timber industry. The 3000 experienced workers during construction phase is a joke. There are not that many tradespeople available in Australia at the moment. To get them they are going to have to compete with the astronomical wages being paid by the mining industry in W.A. and Queensland.
This project is a disaster waiting to happen and it has been made possible because of the political machinations of Howard and Lennon.

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jessie watson
October 8th, 2007

This Mill can't go ahead, we all know that we're in trouble environmentally even if this mill is not created. We have to be working out ways to reverse what we have already done, crap like this is criminal. I don't doublt that there will be reprecussions (besides the obvious environmental upsets we're all going to suffer through) for people who continue to do such blatantly stupid actions once the shit hits the fan. It just all seems so stupid, I mean wake up people! Your not invincible and neither are the people you are going to kill with these thoughtless actions.

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Greg Armfield
October 8th, 2007

It was with great sadness that I heard of the approval of this pulp mill in the beautiful Tamar Valley. How can this area be subjected to a catastrophe of this magnitude? What are they thinking? The people who choose to live in this valley should NOT be subjected to such incredibly stupid decisions. Surely there are alternate methods of employment than this. Think of the health of the people. Think of the flora and fauna. Think of the environment.PLEASE.

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Tony backhouse
October 8th, 2007

It Seems the fiscal stimulus of $50,000 that Gunns Ltd invested in a 'donation' to the Federal Liberal Party Branch in 2005/6 has started to return dividends. It's not surprising that in that same year the Howard Government used its majority in the senate to raise the threshold for disclosure of donations from $1500 to 10,500 per party branch per annum. This amounts Nationally to a figure of $94,491 that can be donated by an organisation to any one political Party, & they can buy their political opponents to the same extent as well, all without public disclosure.
John Howard has acted to ensure that more will come where that came from. To what extent have Gunns funded the Labor party, Particularly the Tasmanian Branch? That I do not know

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Bill Milne
October 8th, 2007

How is it that our system of government empowers one man in Wentworth NSW to decide that a project should go ahead in Tasmania. The impression I get is the people of Tasmania don't want it so how can it be right that their views are ignored.

This is only one in a long line of over-ruling decisions by this government. It has highlighted how wrong our system of government is and how fine the line is between 'democracy' and dictatorship.

Technology has replaced many professions and occupations over the last 50 years. Our political system has been around for hundreds of years. There has never been a time when communications technology was at such a developed stage where it should be used to replace politicians. The theory of our representative system of the past was that 'honorable' individuals expressed there independent views and if you like the way they think you vote for them to represent you in decision making. (Well some could vote at any rate).

It is pretty clear that today's crop of 'honourable' individuals are professional manipulators, conniving deceitful ways to grasp on to positions of authority. In their quest they use the power of advertising and the opinion poll to manipulate how they appear and determine how they should appear. Anyone who has heard or seen question time must know these are not 'honorable' people making considered unbiased and fair decisions based on the knowledge at hand.

Lets just cut out these corrupt middlemen.

I suggest Get-up take a lead role in exploring with the community how we could have a politician free Australia. It won't happen at this election but a ground swell of activity planning the phasing out of politician's will if nothing else make them aware they are expendable, and may remind a few what their job is really about.

Does anyone know what would happen if at this election the majority vote was informal? If the majority chose not to vote for either of the main parties and had no other
suitable candidate surely the only option is an informal vote.

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Eileen Whitehead
October 8th, 2007

Your commentI can't imagine a worse site for a pulp mill. I would really like someone to explain to me why we are still ignoring climate change and continuing to put economy ahead of our environment?

The economy will not seem very important when we are battling to survive. I believe the government is financing this pulp mill to the tune of some $847 million? Wouldn't this money be better spent on wind farms and solar energy?

I am praying that Howard's capitalists will go the way of the dinosaurs at the election, but am mortified that we will then get a Labour party which is also in the pockets of big business. Stop the world, I want to get off!

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dawn wyatt
October 8th, 2007

When are the Government on both side actually going to have the guts it takes to stop talking about aspirational
targets re greenhouse gases and so no to big bussiness. What a shame the great green hope that Garrett was has been gelded and rended just another politician spewing the party line.

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Lyn Kellett
October 8th, 2007

I am truly sick at heart and appalled by Malcolm Turnbull's decision to approve the Tamar Valley pulp mill. In the light of all we now know about the impact industry has on our changing climate, and the high toll it is already exacting on Australia, it is essential we have leaders with vision and integrity who are prepared to think outside the old accepted norms and renew our hope for a viable future for our children and grandchildren.

How tired I am of hearing the word 'clever' being bandied about by this government and applied, with abandon and accompanying booklet, as some kind of quick fix solution to just about every important issue confronting this nation.

Most disappointing of all is the sad fact that there is no viable alternative for us the voting public, no political opposition, save the Greens, prepared to stand up for our rights, the environment and our country's future.

Australia will never become 'clever' until our politicians ditch the old 19th century ways of thinking and have the courage to adopt new pathways to solve the urgent problem of climate change.

It seems to me that pulping forests, whether comprising old growth or plantation trees, for paper products is old technology and should, like the coal industry, be relegated to history.

There is an article on page 2 of the business section of today's Age about a major breakthrough in the recycling of paper - in this case cardboard "cluster packs" for packaging beer utilising a new method of strengthening the recycled content to reduce wear and tear. This means, instead of the old method of manufacturing cardboard, which comprise of almost wholly virgin pulp, this new design uses 75% recycled paper.

Surely, more funding should be set aside for research and development of these new technologies instead of being directed towards and benefitting old, dirty and horrendously polluting industries?

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October 8th, 2007

Absolutely NO GO. When is the government going to stop lining their pockets with gold, and start thinking about "OUR" ENVIRONMENT?

Stand up to this PETER GARRETT, the people will FOLLOW YOU.

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Julia Surfield
October 8th, 2007

Lets get to the source and STOP USING SO MUCH PAPER especially with so much technology available.

RECYCLE, RECYCLE, RECYCLE.

PS My neighbour is a POLITICIAN and he DOES NOT RECYCLE.

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Teresa White
October 8th, 2007

Simpler approach than leaving it up to our pollies to look after the future of the world (god help us) is for us to take some responsibility and to use less paper. Australia is one of the highest per capita users of disposal paper goods in the world.
Tess.

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Bryson Mulholland
October 8th, 2007

I have been following this issue quite closely in the media over the past few months and am appalled that this mill has been approved, when it is so blatant that the entire deal reeks of corruption and environmental terrorism. Unfortunatly, I am not surprised with the decision as I have lost faith in this current governement long ago.

Please stop the mill and save our precious environment.

Yours Sincerely

Bryson Mulholland

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Karen White
October 8th, 2007

I am completely against this mill. I find it appaling that governments' and big business keep putting money and profit before peoples' health, animals' welfare and the environment. It has to stop before it is too late.

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April Gaze
October 8th, 2007

What does "world's best practice" mean anyway, especially in the context of a so-called scientific response. If all other mills are an environmental nightmare then Gunn's might just be a bad dream but that hardly make it ok. .

What does it profit a Tasmanian to gain the whole world when in the process they've turned that world into an uninhabitable chemical cesspit?

With global warming set to destroy so much of australia's coastal marine life I was hoping some of it might be protected in our cooler southern shelf. When we're standing on the brink of global disaster, this mill with its greenhouse emmisions is just the height of irresponsible stupidity.

Ultimately the problem has been created by Tasmanians and the Liberal Government, so it's not entirely reasonable to blame Peter Garrett, especially as Labor has to avoid letting Howard call the shots on wedge politics at all costs. There is need for a solution in Tasmania that would involve extensive negotiations with unions to find viable employment alternatives. That will never happen with a Liberal Government whose best attempts at policy solutions seems to be to send in the troops.

I feel disappointed, but also sorry for Peter Garrett caught in the middle but even if he quit the Labor Party in protest it wouldn't achieve anything and we really need a change of Government. I'd be hoping a new Labor Government might be able to find some solution after the election but before the mill is built. Maybe that's why Gunn's is rushing to get it built as quickly as possible.





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Kerry Shepherd
October 8th, 2007

Perhaps this decision, given the environmental sensitivity of it, lack of support from locals and seemingly only economic reasons by the now government, should have been passed onto a world arena - one that has the considerations taken on a wholistic level rather than just a micro one.

Of interesting note: most of the pulp produced by this mill will not be for the benefit of Australia anyway. So, simply, why does it have to be here at all?

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Margrit Lack
October 8th, 2007

Your commentShame,Shame,Shame to Malcolm Turnbull, you will not get my vote! Peter Garret, you have disappointed us terribly, you have let us down!!!!The mill must be stopped, it is environmental vandalism.Has no one from the major parties got the guts to stand up for us, our children and the health of our planet?
A very disillusioned Margrit Lack

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Alisa Wortley
October 8th, 2007

Isn't that nice of the Liberal party - they're now going to spend 9.2 million in Tasmania on conservation projects. Hypocrites. All the money you can throw at it won't cover up the stink of the Gunns Mill - and it won't buy my vote by any means. I'm voting Green, with my preferences to Labor - because if this Liberal Government gets back in they'll lose whatever accountability they still see themselves as having to the Australian people. A new Government can be held far more accountable for their actions than one that's been ensconced in comfort for far too long!

Don't let Peter Garrett's turnaround on this issue stop you from doing the most important thing in this election - getting rid of the Howard Government!!!!! Vote Green & preference Labor!!

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mick
October 8th, 2007

PROFITS over PEOPLE, this is the exact reason the globe is in the state it is, and we continue to allow these projects of mass destruction to proceed, when is enough going to be enough, cutting down trees with byproducts of greenhouse gasses and poisonous l