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Hans Blix Writes to GetUp Members


Posted on the campaign blog , November 11th, 2007
Whilst Hans Blix was in Sydney recently to accept the Sydney Peace Prize he caught up with GetUp's Executive Director, Brett Solomon.



Brett Solomon and Hans Blix

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Dear GetUp members,

I am pleased to have the opportunity to blog on your site.

The sooner this chapter in Iraqi history is finished the better.

I would like to reflect on the justifications for going to war. Firstly, the Americans, Australians and others went to destroy weapons of mass destruction that simply did not exist. They went in to create democracy, and so far they have come out with anarchy. And they invaded to eliminate Al Qaeda. They were not there, but Al Qaeda certainly came there after the occupation. I cannot see any success in this intervention except in getting rid of Saddam Hussein, who was a terrible dictator and a murderer.

The UN and Security Council rightly refused to provide authorisation for an invasion that should not have taken place. That is to the credit of the Council. The US, UK, Australia and others by ignoring the council lost a great deal of legitimacy and it cost them quite a lot. How would we have viewed the UN Security Council today if they had authorised the war?

We must solve conflicts by non-violent means. There was no excuse for going to war in 2003. Iraq was not threatening anybody and there was no urgency at all. The Coalition governments misled themselves and then they misled the world.

I believe there now needs to be a timetable for withdrawal. A timetabled withdrawal is the only way to make the Iraqis feel that they own the problem themselves. Everybody understands that withdrawing all troops today could risk a civil war but ultimately the US must leave all together. To have a vague position from people even like Hillary and Obama is not productive. I am skeptical about the position of having a limited number of foreign troops remain.

A national government in Iraq that is to govern with the support of the people can hardly have foreign troops in the country. If you have a timetable the various Iraqi groups will know that they are alone in the boat and they must steer it to a safe harbour. There is no guarantee that they will succeed. But let's not forget that the Iraqis are very capable people.

For Australian soldiers in Iraq it is of course more than symbolic, but with 140,000 foreign troops overall, Australia’s contribution in Iraq is a symbolic one. Australian withdrawal would have no major impact on the security situation in Iraq.

The West's involvement in the war in Iraq has made the West less safe. It has lead to encouragement of terrorism. Any attacks on civilians, like what happened to Louise Barry, is unacceptable. I think the most important thing that could be done to reduce terrorism is a settlement of the conflict in the Middle East.

All of us can play a role in supporting the development of peace - whether you wave a flag, you put your vote somewhere or you write articles or even if you discuss it.

It is good to have passion but it is equally important to understand reality. The Iraq war was based on a lack of understanding. They did not even want to know the reality. How can you have the right therapy if you don't have the right diagnosis?

I encourage you to study. And it’s not that easy in a world where there is as much disinformation as there is information. We have to soak up as much information from different sources as possible.

Many governments went ahead despite being aware of public opposition.
In a democracy like the US, UK or Australia, it is entirely legitimate to demand that the government should pay attention to a broad opinion that is opposed to the war.

I wish you and your campaign for a withdrawal from Iraq all the best.

Best Wishes,
Hans Blix

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Hans Blix was the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency from 1981-97. Blix was called back from retirement by Kofi Anan to lead the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission. The Coalition of the Willing's assertion of the existence of Weapons of Mass Destruction was contradicted by Blix in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq. No weapons of mass destruction have since been found and evidence of their existence has been rejected as forgery. More information about Hans Blix can be found here.


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Steven Price
November 12th, 2007

Its is great to hear the views of Hans Blix, straight from the horses mouth. What an incredible man!

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Rosemary
November 13th, 2007

Thank you Hans Blix and Get Up for publicising this commonsense message on the illegal war in Iraq.

I wish more people did read Get Up and that the Australian Governemnet will change it's policy on putting our armed forces into such conflicts.

I feel ashamed to be an Australian with our Prime Minister being a sycophant to the USA President and taking our men into Iraq.

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Janie
November 13th, 2007

Go Hans! When are people going to acknowledge the 'actual' events of the 'war on terror'... keep on talking, hopefully (in time) people will slowly start to listen...

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shim
November 13th, 2007

Not many of the world leaders, who supported the war, have acknowledged that they made a mistake.
Mr Blix has put into words what many people from all around the world have felt for a long time.

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Edward
November 13th, 2007

Thanks you Hans and Get Up. How do we publicise Hans' comments?
The funds spent on an illegal war would have made a difference to education, health, the homeless and much needed infrastructure.
Howard has ignored comment on the Iraq war as it adds to his list of poor leadership (along with an expensive implementation of WRAct 1996 and 19 amendments, reduce education and health spending etc.)
When will he apologise for his mistakes as he tried with interest rates

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Reeda Kassis
November 13th, 2007

we knew that it was all built on a lie but our voices were far too small in front of the greed and self interest of Bush, Blair and Howard and the like. The Pope at the time and rightly so have said it is going to be the crime of the century if US let the war on Iraq. what frustrate however, is for the ask is not only to withdraw but the party who contributed to such catastrophe must come to justice and call them war criminals. the international community need to work out a compensation plan for the Iraqi people that Bush and his team need to pay the price for and the same goes for the Palestinian People who are still suffering.
it is not fair to ask for withdrawal without judgement.

Hans you are the greatest for standing out and for speaking the truth. A rear comody these days.


peace
Reeda

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Bill
November 13th, 2007

Has anyone sent this to Bush, Howard, Brown etc? As Mr Blix states, this war is based on a sham and I for one don't want a part of it!

Thank you to Mr Blix for taking the time to meet with Brett Solomon and through him all us GetUp members. Good onya GetUp!

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Declan
November 13th, 2007

Regarding Sam & Louise's wish to meet with Howard. He is our elected representative, a public servant. If a couple of citizens wish to speak to him on an important issue, is should not be a case of having to beg for an audience. I am certain that if their surnames were Packer and Murdoch....Howard would be jumping in his limo and racing off to see them! All citizens are equal. Democracy in this country...it's a joke!

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shayne chester
November 13th, 2007

If Howard can put aside time for his 'secret' meetings with the Exclusive Brethren, he should also find the time to meet with Sam and Louise.

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Meggsy
November 13th, 2007

At last - honesty. Thank you Hans.

I would like to think Mr Howard would make time in his busy schedule to meet with Sam and Louise, but I suppose he has to get the OK on this from his great buddy George W. No wonder JWH keeps fit with his morning walk. At his age "Yes Sir, How High?" really takes it out of you!

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sjayness
November 13th, 2007

Your comment
Thanks Hans - that's the clearest and least heated presentation of the facts and the case for staged withdrawal that I have heard or read.

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Sandra
November 13th, 2007

Thank you Hans for your honest words and your honest actions.

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Roy Howland
November 13th, 2007

we shouldnt have gone to Iraq in the first place????
the sooner we get out the better then we could spending
all those billions of dollars to help the less fortunate
Australians.Let Geo Bush fight for the oil

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Irene McMaster
November 13th, 2007

I respected Han Blix's judgement before the disastrous invasion of Iraq and I respect it and am comforted by it now.

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Daniella
November 13th, 2007

It is good to have a respected representative of the International Community speak with such clarity on this issue. Thank you!

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merran
November 13th, 2007

It is astounding that the current P.M has not had to answer from the Australian people for mess that is now Iraq. I cannot believe that a nation of people is allowing him to get away with this. I am absolutely horrified and hope more than anything he is voted out at the next election and the incoming p.m. acts differently. In my opinion Howard is way past his use by date. Old men and wars!

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Olive
November 13th, 2007

I, like a lot of Australians, was against this war. I went on the peace march and tried to have my voice heard. But Mr Howard did not listen to our voices, he calls us "my fellow Australians" no Mr Howard you are not my fellow Australian. We knew that Mr Hans Blix and the UN were right to oppose the war. Thank you for speaking up. It is the people of Irac who have a right to peace now. It is time to get our troops out of Irac.

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Aviva
November 13th, 2007

Thank you profoundly, Mr. Blix and GetUp.

In addition to the lack of humanity displayed in war, what about the environmental cost? How many carbon credits would it take to whitewash this war?

Bush, Howard, Blair and cohorts, are responsible for not only death, destruction and desolation within Iraq, but worldwide through the environmental impact their actions will have for many years to come. Not so good on their CVs, is it.

Neither is the poverty created and enforced within their own countries to finance it. John Howard: Not MY prime minister, with his 'let them eat sausage mince' mentality. Roll on election day!

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Sharon
November 13th, 2007

I appreciate Mr Blix's honesty and can recall with great clarity viewing the anti-war rally in Melbourne from a city building 3 storeys up. There was not a vacant spot all the way down Swanston St or in any of the crossroads all the way to the Shrine - this was a rally like I had never seen before and Mr Howard's answer to this protest was that it "did not reflect the views of the Mum's and Dad's in their loungerooms". Mr Howard never sought the permission of the Mum's and Dad's I can only hope that they now use their vote to register their opposition. Congratulations GET UP.

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Miriam
November 13th, 2007

Our "leaders" simply lied and have gone on a greedy murderous rampage ever since. It was, and is, criminal and they should be called to account for it.

By the US State Department's own admittedly inflated numbers less than 600 people are killed by terrorism each year. Starvation kills more than 16,000,000 each year.

The world's yearly weapons budget, if diverted for a half an hour once a year would feed, clothe, house and educate all those starving millions. Half that weapons budget is spent by the USA alone. If the USA diverted its weapons budget for just an hour out of each year all starvation would be ended.

Why in heaven's name do we put up with being led by murderers?

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Mike
November 13th, 2007

The whole premise of going to Iraq to find the WMD's has been shown to be a complete fraud. How many thousands of lives and billions of dollars have been wasted to prop up this sorry story? Australia's reputation as an honourable nation has gone down the drain as it quickly followed the USA into this scheme. It is time for us to assert our own independance and to have leaders that know the meaning of the word integrity, a staged withdrawl is our only option.

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November 13th, 2007

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Andrew Partos
November 13th, 2007

I took part in the protest march against the war in Iraq and went to the Town Hall to listen to Hans Blix. According to the UN Charter and the Nuremberg Trial to attack a country that is no threat to you is a war crime. We should hand over John Howard to the International Tribunal in the Hague.
John Howard the great economist is sending our country bankrupt. The 64 billion dollars that he wants to give us doesn't even include the cost of our involvement in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the military operations in East Timor and the Solomon Islands.

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Wendy Chenoweth
November 13th, 2007

So good to see the action you are taking with endorsement of Mr. Blix. I am a senior citizen and most of my friends are disgusted at what has happened.
Good luck with you campaign
Wendy

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Jane
November 13th, 2007

Like many other correspondants here I who had not marched for anything but reconciliation for some time marched in the Anti war marches and in turn I was devastated by our governments lack of interest. The fact that our supposed democratic Government just went ahead and followed it's own agenda for unclear reasons was extremely worrying and disheartening.

However I am equally worried about what a sudden wholescale withdrawal will mean for the Iraqi people. It is desperately sad that a functioning society is now almost totally obliterated and we are to blame. I appreciate the efforts of Hans Blix and others to take leadership on this issue. It is desparately needed.

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Rene
November 13th, 2007

It's strange I didn't hear you mention the word "oil" Hans. I'm keen to get the opinion of someone who was more closely involved, because from what I can see, the war is nothing about democracy, and everything about oil... Please correct me if I'm wrong Hans.

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Jane Paterson
November 13th, 2007

Your comment.Thanks for your honesty Mr Blix.
My wish, which sounds improbably airy-fairy, is to have all weapons-manufacturing outlawed. Until then, I would wish that soldiering and soldiers be converted to being more beneficial to the world community.
War creates such a criminal waste of youth & so much misery. There is no glory attached to it. Maybe, as it is presently waged, it will go out of fashion??

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Frank Legge
November 13th, 2007

This is a wonderful clear contribution by Hans Blix and I hope some people in power come to realize that a staged withdrawal is the best and only viable option, as he recommends. It is important also to realize that the attack on Afghanistan was similarly based on lies. How many know that three buildings came down on 9/11 and only two were hit by planes? The proof that some part of the US administration was involved in the attack is overwhelming. Bush lied and Howard supported him. We don't want any more of that. Proof can be found in the peer reviewed papers at the Journal of 9/11 Studies. http://journalof911studies.com/

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Heather
November 13th, 2007

Thnks, Mr Blix, for your courageous stand against self-serving leaders and powerful pro-weapons lobby groups. This war has cost so many so dearly and it's time we moved on from such violent ways to solve issues.

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Wendy
November 13th, 2007

Thank you Hans Blix for you clear comments. My delight is to read something with no spin, and the dream of course is that the jolly pollies will soon be forced to take note of common sense, clarity and truth.
Once again thanks Get Up.
Wendy.

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Terry Pinnell
November 13th, 2007

Hans
Congratulations on winning the Sydney Peace Prize, you are deserving of the prize because throughout the whole sorry episode you have told the truth. That there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
If only Bush, Blair & Howard had listened to you there would probably be up to 650,000 Iraqis still alive today. There would be over 3,500 young coalition servicemen still alive and over 30,000 coalition servicemen without serious wounds.
There wouldn't be 2 million displaced refugees in neighbouring countries, afraid to return to sectarian violence.
The ripples of this war will live with society for the next generation and it is the tax payers who will pay for the mess.
Hans, at least you can say you tried to prevent the detruction of Iraq.

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John Sparkes
November 13th, 2007

Hans, readers...

911 was the 'great enabler' - let's never forget that. The US government's version is just that - a version, the "official" conspiracy theory. A version NEVER proven, never subject to a fully independant international investigation. It is a story with more holes than Johnnie's election promises. Iraq is a very sad, morally-bankrupt with criminal intent disaster - very much by design. My thoughts go out to all who have had those close to them taken away. But do not forget - 911 enabled it all. "CUI BONO".

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filip
November 13th, 2007

Yes. At last our Australian values will be brought to the fore. IRAQ, Neither our warmongering coaliton nor the whimpish ALP have mentioned it. Totally disgusting.
It should be the issue of the campaign. What we leave to our children and grand-children is more important than anything dicussed so far. We must leave an attitude of horror at the way in which we have sent our children to kill innocent people all because Bellicose Bush said so.
We must be proud of our way of life. Howard has established a climate of being severely threatened by those whom he have encouraged to detest us. Why ? We used to be well liked around the world...now disliked. I suspect that he enjoys it, since he did nothing after inviting those hoons to Bali to blow up our children.

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isobel
November 13th, 2007

Thank you Hans, for speaking with such frankness and honesty.
I wish you good health,and may peace in the Middle East come in your liftime, and mine.


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mary kenneally
November 13th, 2007

Hans Blix was steadfastly ignored by the media when, with his
calm insistence, he declared that his investigations had revealed that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
How will the press make amends?
Congratulations to the City of Sydney.
This award will help to highlight what was sought to be buried.

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Max Casley
November 13th, 2007

Before the invasion of Iraq Hans Blix said that only a few more months were needed to finish the UN weapons inspections. Shortly after this the invasion began. If the inspections had been allowed to finish there would have been no excuse for invasion and the resulting deaths of Iraqis and the devastation of Iraq. The invaders should leave. It is the major election issue for me.

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Werner S Juestel
November 13th, 2007

Dear Hans Blix,
congratulations on the Sydney Peace Prize. I trust that this is only the beginning of Leaders all over the world showing us that they trust your verdict and not the Coalition of the Oil Hungry Criminals. My admiration goes to you, for the composure you have shown ever since your findings were ignored.
Thank you for your good work, your honesty, your openess and for taking the time to talk to us at Getup.
All the best for your future,
Werner

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Jenny Birch
November 13th, 2007

I thought the war was justified but since them it has become known that the governments lied at the time. I do not think lies help. Maybe if someone had a gun at my head but not to mislead other people.

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Allan Bruce
November 13th, 2007

It appears that Dick Cheney insisted on the falsified evidence for WMDs in Saddam's Iraq to justify his murderous intent. Instead of his being discredited and sacked he is apparently being offered an encore, to urge an attack on Iran for trying to develop nuclear weapons.
Now Mohd.el Baradei faces the same problem as Hans Blix, trying to persuade the White House that there is no evidence of a weapons programme when Cheney et al are determined that it must be found in order to justify another preemptive strike.

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Didgeydave
November 13th, 2007

I want to see the voters in this democracy pass judgement on Howard.

Our politicians are able to lie with impunity, spread fear based politics, deliberately drive division in our society, condone and demonstrate racism and celebrate warmongering. What does this say about us as a nation?

It's time, Howard Out.

This is a chance for us to turn towards a more humane and optimistic vision for our earth and it's people.

I congratulate Hans Blix on his great integrity.

Dave

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DJ Wolf
November 13th, 2007

I cannot escape the argument that the American, British, and Australian regimes had at their core, war criminals, no different to the Nazis who invaded Poland.

In the USA, I watched those who rose to object like the Dixie Chicks, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, any French people the US media could interview, crushed into the ground as traitors and agreement with George W Bush's views became synonymous with American patriotism. No Congressman, regardless of his political viewpoint dared oppose because the American media with Fox, NBC, and the American ABC had the country under their control.

'The Ministry of Truth' has established the war with the 'Eastern Block' and Orwell's nightmare has come to pass. In Australia, the ABC was gutted, the media ownership regulations were thrown out the window, Australians were kidnapped and tortured, a woman was imprisoned for possession of Indonesian marijuana where not even the incriminating evidence was examined while another was convicted for ecstasy that miraculously appeared in her urine three months after her arrest.

Our scholars, our experts, and our public servants have been silenced and our media have used the withdrawal of credibility as a weapon.

As long as we allow corporate control of government policies and refuse to strengthen and protect our independent national broadcaster, what has happened in Iraq and in Indonesia will continue to happen and get worse. What happened in Iraq must not only be rectified but the mechanism that allowed it to happen must also be unmasked.

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muzza
November 13th, 2007

Hans you are an honourable man.Old ,greedy men sending young men off to war.Killing innocent civilians and destroying a country.....for oil..when will we ever learn.The coalition of the willing are war criminals.

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Maureen Williams
November 13th, 2007

I was shocked and dismayed when the bombing started in Iraq and still am....terrible destruction and loss of life for what??? We were lied to.

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Stephanie
November 13th, 2007

We now know a lot more than we were initially told. I NEVER believed that we should be part of an invasion force on a sovereign country which never threatened us. NOW we find that the reason for the suffering of the people of Iraq in particular, and other Middle Eastern Nations, is because Saddam Hussein (who was initially installed by the U.S.) wanted America to pay for their oil in Euros instead of American dollars! Our own people have been put in danger because of old men who I believe should be charged as war criminals. Howard and Bush have a lot to answer for.

Howard and Bush have done the same thing to the traditional owners of Australia. Our country is being stolen and vandalised again and again. Was it not Halliburton that contributed to the Alica Springs-Darwin Railway?

Please Australia: Get rid of Howard so that we can regain some respect! For our children's sake and for our Grandchildren!

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quixote8
November 13th, 2007

The invasion of Afghanistan was (and mostly remains) legitimate and worthy of support. It has been neglected in favor of American (and western) oil hegemony and corporate imperialism in Iraq which was not only illegitimate, but involved deliberate deceptions by the governments of the "coalition of the willing" to our collective detriment and shame.
'Democratic' governments would (and will) likely be thrown out of power if fuel prices / availability exceeds critical limits: However that day can not be postponed forever, even if the oil mega corporations want to squeeze the last drops of not only oil, but political and economic control of the US and by extension the rest of the "free" world.
It is the deceit, hypocrisy and downright lies that are so galling, wrong and 'evil'.
"where the smart money is" used to be simply what it is 'old fashioned ... LIES ...

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Glyn Roberts
November 13th, 2007

Iraq was accused of having weapons of mass destruction by the nation that has the MOST weapons of mass destruction on earth.

Saddam Hussein was a cruel dictator and murderer - under his regime people were detained for years and tortured without trial or charges being laid - pretty much what happens in Guantanamo Bay.

Saddam Hussein killed tens of thousands of people in Iraq.
Since the start of the war in Iraq the Medical Journal "The Lancet" estimates in excess of two HUNDRED thousand people have been killed in Iraq.

During the invsasion of Iraq the US forces were shown writing notes like "This is for 9/11" on the bombs they sent to Iraq - even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

Hussein was said to have had links to Al Queada by the Bush Administration even though their own intelligence organisation told him that no such links were proven and that, in fact, Hussein had told Osama Bin Laden to take a long walk off a short jetty. The person who told Bush that was later sacked and discredited.

In Australia Howard was told by HIS intelligence organisation that they seriously doubted the information being supplied by the Americans. That person resigned as a protest of what happend andd the Howard government discredited HIM.

Now they are are making noises about doing the same thing to Iran!!!!!

No, I though that Australia, England and the USA all sined the Geneva convention that says (a) it's illegal to invade a foreign country, (b) there a rules for treating prisoners of war humanely (eg access to the red cross and contact with their families) and (c) it is illegal to INTERROGATE prisoners of war - it's not just illegal to TORTURE them but it's illegal to INTERROGATE them !! Why? because there is no way that any soldier is going to put his mates in harms way from the eney as a result of his captors asking him to do so in a nice polite manner. The only way to get a prisoner to do that would be to torture someone and the CIA has said that they regard any evidence gained under torture to be suspect in the extreme because anyone undergoing torture will say ANYTHING to get the torture to stop.

Now in Australia we are detaining people without charges, without access to legal advice and without them being able to contact any of their family to tell them that they are being detained. Hmmm seems a bit like the Gestapo are operating here in Australia as well.

Howard is running a scare campaign so that he can turn Australia into a totalitarian police state - so far he has been succeeding quite well with little or NO outrage from the public or the press.

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Protea
November 13th, 2007

Congratulations on the Peace Prize, Mr Blix.

If Bush, Blair and Howard had the "Back to the Future" Time Machine (as suggested to Howard by The Chaser recently) they would not go within 1000 miles of Iraq.

It is the best recent example of Nemesis following Hubris. Unfortunately we are all paying for their stupidity and arrogance.

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Howard Haighter
November 13th, 2007

Who would think Hans Blix, one of the stars of Team America, would be blogging on GetUp?

Just goes to show, there may be some people with morals out there in all those world-type organisations after all.

Now all we need is for the World Bank to declare its independence from the USA, the WTO to admit it is wrong, the IMO to apologise for its existence and Bobsyeruncle!

On yer Hans.

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Grayman
November 13th, 2007

Well said Dr Blix. It is good to see people who have held an official position speak out about the mess that Western governments have caused through military intervention in Iraq. I would further add that Saddam Hussein was supported by Western governments to invade Iran and in his development of chemical weapons. The US/UK and their beholden medias are only just starting to admit that the invasion of Iraq was for oil and also to "help" Israel, since Saddam was not sympathetic to their "cause". It also had nothing to do with Al Quaeda, as you rightly point out. What is lacking today is acknowledgement that our best estimate of the number of people killed in Iraq is close to 1,000,000. Not the ridiculously low figures that get printed in US Fox/CNN media. We are all responsible for this mess and it is our responsibility to speak out and to hold our governments accountable for this act of agression. Our heads of state should stand trial for involvement in war crimes. In the meantime, let us stand in the way of a further invasion - that of Iran. The same fallacious arguments are being rolled out and the Israeli's are talking about using low-yield nuclear weapons, with tacit US approval. This is INSANE and it must be stopped.

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Kenya
November 13th, 2007

The reason for claiming weapons of mass destruction, was to get to the root of the oil supply, that is obvious

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marlin
November 13th, 2007

As Hans says: 'many Governments went ahead despite being aware of public opposition'.

In March 2003 the people of Perth, Australia wrote on a 300 metre scroll to protest the war in Iraq. This YouTube video shows the scroll on display.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoTZmVccTJk

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Norma Hobbs
November 13th, 2007

As I watched the twin towers fall I said to my husband, 'the Americans will have to be very clever about how they handle this terrible thing. They must use their intelligence, not their might". Well they didn't did they? Under the Republicans, lead by Mr Bush, with Mr Blair and Mr Howard in tow, they misused their power, pushed aside any far thinking and intelligent advice they were handed and marched blindly towards an abyss of their own making. The right wing stupidity, greed and avarice, (on which America was founded) raised it's ugly head above the nonsense of invasion and we now have a cruelty in Iraq which, I believe, surpasses even Sadam's litany of transgressions.

I am deeply ashamed that my country has been drawn into this invasion, based mainly on the ego of a little man impressed by the strutting, ignorant fool who purports to be a US President. Intelligent, thoughtful Americans, and there are millions of them, must live in dispair and shame over the actions of their figurehead President, a greedy puppet of the oil companies.

Shame on you Mr Howard for ignoring our intelligence agencies' advices and for denigrating good people who would have prevented us from invading another country. Shame on you for putting our brave and well trained men at risk for America's greed and power hungry leaders.

We need to withdraw our troops. Our Government, through our next set of leaders, needs to assist the Iraqi Government to find peaceful solutions to this complex and terrible situation. We need to extend our practical Australian hand in suppport for many, many years to come. We must be prepared to commit our hearts and minds to trying to solve an almost unsolvable problem, partly of our own making, even if it takes a century. We must try to understand the Iraqi mind and work with it, not impose our own standards and criteria upon it.

Although I demonstrated against this invasion I am, as an Australian, part of the final, disastrous result and I am ashamed, terribly ashamed of my country's actions through your actions, Mr Howard. I never thought I would hang my head and weep such bitter tears for what I have done.

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lionel hurst
November 13th, 2007

Mr. Blix is an apologist for the pathetic weakness of the United Nations.When the coalition of "the willing" anounced its invasion timetable, the United Nations General Assembly should have immediately intervened with a massive armed peacekeeping force in Iraq to defend that member country from being attacked.The UN and all its members is as guilty over Iraq as it was over the massacre of 750,000 Tutsis in Africa when it told its peacekeepers to withdraw.It follows that the majority of the world's people share the guilt for the horrors visited upon the Iraqi's who at least had law and order under Saddam Hassein.
The whingeing women Getup wants to promote should take their cases to the U.S. and the U.K. and not bother us. The Australian Government should not have followed the mad Pres. Bush, but we don't need foreign problems blamed on them just as election stunt to help Getup's ALP backers.

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rc
November 13th, 2007

Well done Mr Blix, you stood up to the test and succeeded where others with greater responsibility and self-opinion failed. I still subscribe to the theory that the underlying 'mission' was to reverse Hussein's switch away from the US$ for oil transactions -- as Iran has just done in June this year (hence I suggest the general hysteria in that quarter at present).

This idea is also picked up by US Republican Ron Paul who links the end of empire with the collapse of currency: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5069495566529312748&q=ron+paul&total=13751&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=4

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ivan patrick
November 13th, 2007

I accept the truth of Hans Blix's statement, and rebut Mr Howard's justifications for invading Iraq. I agree that to allow Iraq to reconstruct its society, all invading forces must be withdrawn. I recognise that troop withdrawals will have to be carefully managed, and that all affected parties should commence planning for this to commence.

I believe that as a tokenary yet tainted player, Australia should withdraw at the earliest possible stage.

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Brian
November 14th, 2007

Mr Howard,
I am amazaed you have spent millions of tax payers funds & a number of Australian lives plus 10s of thousands of Iraqi lives based on a proven falsehood.

Why did you ignor Hans Blix's findings, who was there in Iraq as a seniour adviser to the UN & believe people who were not there going against the UN's advise?

Why did you not carry out some basic due diligence like the Germans did 7 flagged to all.

Not smart John Howard.
Not smart or deserving to be running this fine Country.

That's plain stupid .
I feel you should be standing in front of a war commission,
not our Country.

I want to live in a sophistocated society, not just a mindless economy.

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Shane
November 14th, 2007

I couldn't agree more.

What a pity the US listened to not one of your recommendations.

Rather than fight terrorism, the Iraq invasion has fostered it. Iraq is more destabilised now than it ever was under a vicious, Amoral dictator.

I cannot, however, agree with any "timetabled" withdrawal. Each time some troops are withdrawn, you will have less troops attempting to do what more are unable to do right now. It will become more dangerous for the remaining troops each time more are removed. For Australia, it is 1 out - all out.

We all know that this war had nothing to do with WMD. Good Lord, do you think a country the size of the US with an army the size they have could marshall troops for an invasion half way around the world in the small window of time they had from when the final ultimatum was given until when the invasion took place on March 20? It is a logitical impossibility.

This was an invasion that had been planned for over a year or more.

The disgraceful linking of Iraq with al Qaeda, the fabrication of certain evidence and skewing of other reports about aluminium tubes and the like all smacked of a country with the intention of an invasion from the outset - regardless of what the UN, or anybody else for that matter, thought.

In 2001, Rice + Powell both said that Saddam Hussein had very little military, was essentially disarmed, and that he posed no threat to his neighbours.

Why are we not bringing these people up on charges of War Crimes? Because the US does not recognise any such tribunal or International Law.

The reality is, though the attacks in the US on September 11, 2001 were an outrage, they really were just what the Bush administration had been waiting for. That was their way in. That gave the administration the excuse they needed to begin devising, firstly, the required reasons for invasion on Afghanistan and the sunbsequent invasion of Iraq.

Let's not forget that this is a country who has for the past 50+ years has controlled who is elected and deposed in Latin America. Terrorists who do what the US asks of them are called Freedom Fighters. Democratically elected leaders such as Venezuela's Hugo Chavez and countless more leaders of South American countries have had to fight battles with Terrorists that have destabilised their countries and resulted in a change of government - usually to one which is more sympathetic to what the US wants.

And let's not forget thata certain John Howard has been complicit in all that has transpired in Iraq. He is the only leader this country has had that has led his country in an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation.

If we do not vote him out, we are also just confirming fears that we are not a sophisticated electorate, which was so well proven during the debarcle over the Republic.

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Greg Swedosh
November 14th, 2007

The American invasion of Iraq reminded me of the bully in the school ground. Having been hit themselves on September 11th, they just turned around and hit Iraq, somebody they didn't like, regardless of their lack of involvement in the original incident.

The demonisation of France in particular, and Germany for not joining the so called coalition of the willing, was extreme. Those countries have shown that their judgement of the situation was accurate and that an invasion would just create a much bigger mess, which is where we are now.

For so called democracies, in Australia and Britain, to join in war with America, against the overwelming will of their own people, is bordering on criminal. Is this the kind of democracy we were attempting to bring to Iraq?

You and your government should be called into account John Howard. History should judge you harshly.

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Scott H
November 14th, 2007

I'm continually amazed that people of the stature of Hans Blix and others as well as a sizeable percentage of the population can be ignored by a supposedly democratic government. What has happened to our world? How did these politicians attain and retain office? Why haven't they been brought up for war crimes, or at the least been forceably removed from office? They seem to have no idea of the damage they have wrought on our standing in the world. Nor do they seem to care. The media also have a very large role in what has happened by promoting the spin generated by the politicians, without critical analysis. Our government is moving towards becoming the type of regime that was removed from Iraq, one little step at a time. In the 60s and 70s, public protest brought about the end of the Vietnam war. These days, the politicians seem to be immune to public opinion. They no longer serve the country, only themselves and their (financial) backers.

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James
November 14th, 2007

Well put sir, well put.

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Annabelle
November 14th, 2007

How nice it is to hear a voice of sanity from a world leader, or at least a world opinion leader and somebody to whom attention is paid.
As much as the West would like to solve the problems in Iraq, prevent civil war and raise the standard and safety of living for all Iraqis, Mr Blix raises the most important point - they have to do it themselves! Despite (possibly) noble intentions and genuine desire to help this country, it is simply not the west's place to continue occupation of a country, especially when their strategy is not working.
Yes yes yes, withdrawing from Iraq will give the terrorists a place to thrive - but aren't they already thriving there? The terrorist threat to America, Australia and the West will not disappear if peace is achieved in Iraq. As Mr Blix pointed out, we need to work together (within the statutes of international law) to bring peace to the entire region. And you can be sure of one thing - maintaining a foreign troop presence in the middle of this fiercely proud and independent region is sure as hell not helping!
Thank you for your insights and thoughtful comments, Mr Blix, and please keep speaking out. There are people listening.

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canda666
November 14th, 2007

Oil is an important world commodity but at what price. As we all must surely realize that is Americas main aim in Iraq. Getting rid of a tyrannt was beneficial but are the deaths of so many justification for trying to control the flow of oil. Let the Iraqis control their own oil,not Bush, Howard and co.

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willy bach
November 14th, 2007

Dear Hans Blix

While reading your letter I was thinking about all the people who, like me, opposed the illegal war of aggression and plunder against the people of Iraq. We have been working on this issue since 2001.

Not only have we been proven correct about the wrongness of the war, but the spiralling price of oil tells the world that the thirst for energy dominance was indeed one of the main purposes of the Bush administration.

We should all remind our political leaders that we will not support this travesty any longer. Nor should we support any kind of attack on Iran. Ask them whether they will support an attack of any kind on Iran.

Thank you again for speaking out to the people of Australia.

Regards
Willy Bach
Greens candidate for Griffith

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GlobalSov
November 14th, 2007

“Oil is an important world commodity” says Canda666. Commodity, yes-commercial product that is price fixed. Who controls it? Oil is a RENEWABLE resource. (Google Thomas Gold). Who benefits from the control of oil and screaming the sky is falling down? Next thing you know people will start to believe the global warming furphy. And yes, then all lets’ help the planet by paying $5/L for petrol. Surely that will help! [Some corporation]

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PhilB
November 14th, 2007

On WMD's - the Iraqis had ample time to shift any WMD across the porous border into north eastern Syria and it is an entirely possible scenario. Given Syria's need for oil and cash a bit of old fashioned Arab bargaining probably took place.

The Israeli airstrike in Deir-ez-Zoor (north-east Syria) wasn't just for fun - it was deadly serious! WMD's were the target this time.

I do agree that the best course of action is to withdraw troops from Iraq, they seem to be acting as a touchstone for Sunni and Shia violence and it's time to let the Iraqis solve their own problems.

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Mary-Ann
November 14th, 2007

The Prime Minister knows the war in Iraq is unpopular so he thinks by not mentioning it, we will all simply forget it exists - like the elephant in the room that no-one mentions... sorry, Mr Howard - my memory works well. I have not forgotten and I will remember on polling day too.

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Brian Barnes
November 14th, 2007

Some years back i saw a T.V. documentary of a group of Veitnam veterans who, along with their families, were still experiencing problems, in coping with their mental and emotional legacies from their involvment in the Veitnam war.

They (the vets) had returned to Veitnam as a group, to try and find some answers, and possibly some release from their demons.
A reporter thrust a mike in front of their leaader and commented, something along the lines of.
You must hate the government that sent you over there to the war. Asked the reporter.
CHRIST NO! Barked the vetran in reply, with emotions visibly welling up.
It's the Australian people, who we hold responsible. Because they returned consecutive governments who kept us over there, involved in the war.
It's the Australian people who are to blame, because they elected the governments, who firstly put us there and then kept us there.
The people are to blame.
AND SO IT IS TODAY, WITH IRAQ

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Sue
November 14th, 2007

No Prime Minister should make the decision to take this country to war. Surely this kind of momentous decision must be made by the full Parliament. This should not be allowed to ever happen again. Australia should be under no obligation to follow the US into conflict. We must be independent. We should be a world leader in working for peace, regardless of what the US thinks or wants. John Howard may not want to acknowledge the appalling and spiralling numbers of dead and injured and the continuing destruction in Iraq, but we, the voters, must.

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Barbara
November 14th, 2007

I heard my Blix speaking on TV the other night and has in tis letter, I was dissapointed that he is ignoring the real reasons that we inflicted war on Iraq.

The USA does not have a very credible track record of creating democracy through the means of invasion, or other more subversive means. eg: South America.

In hearing Mr Blix speak, it's as if he is speaking to people who are ignorant as to the real reasons for the Iraq invasion. eg: The control and stability in the supply to oil. Now, that is pure economics. Not Democracy.

I am disapointed in Mr Blix in that being a well known figure in the world, he avoids the simple directness and honesty required to make a real difference to the Iraq situation.

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Debby Baker
November 14th, 2007

Thank God for a sane voice from a statesman who won't compromise his principles. Aussies, wake up, get up and make your vote count on November 25 - and take Hans Blix's advice - get informed, it's the least we can do.

With hope
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Elizabeth Goodwin
November 14th, 2007

Such measured sense and truths but how are we really able to make governments listen? Our democracy is soo flawed, and in our western society peple are either struggling themselves or too well off to worry about other countries. It seems easier to believe the spin words than to study as Mr Blix urges.

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Ron
November 14th, 2007

The tragedy of the Iraq war is that although there are the glimmerings of democracy in that country that is not the reason why our government joined the US invasion. Although Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator his overthrow was not the reason we went to war. The Bush administration invaded Iraq because the Iraq government switched its oil contracts from US dollars to Euros. The main form of international income propping up the "market driven" US economy is the money the rest of the world has to pay the US treasury to buy US dollars to pay for the oil it uses. Iraq represents the second biggest oil reserve next to Saudi Arabia and to have that oil traded in Euros not dollars would have seriously compromised US control of the world oil market. As Mr Blix said there was no real reason for the war. Subsequent events have proven there were no WMD or terrorist organisations in Iraq. The stated reasons the US told its citizens and Howard told us. You will find all Iraqi oil contracts in Euros have now been anulled and re-written in US dollars. And why did Mr Howard go along (apart from supporting a fellow neo-conservative Bush)? Shortly after the invasion the US allowed a bi-lateral free trade agreement through the US congress and favourable consideration of Australian arms purchases of US military hardware. A matter of political opportunity payed for in the blood and misery that followed. Mr Blix is a former statesman and cannot say such things. But as he commented he encourages us to "study". The evidence is there for those who wish to see and it is a damning indictment of the moral and ethical character of our current federal government and the Bush administration.

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rampage
November 14th, 2007

Thank you, Mr Blix, for your decent and reasoned support of the appeal to our government to get our troops out of Iraq. I presume you are being diplomatic when you say that the war in Iraq was based on a misunderstanding. There was no misunderstanding, only a lousy pretext. It seems obvious now that the "Bush junta" as Gore Vidal calls them, this corporation of oil magnates who managed to gain control of the US presidency, sought to extend their 'vast prerogative' to the Middle East to establish regional control of the oil supply. (Even Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, was a former board member of Chevron Oil!!!) This 'corporate presidency' used the United States military to serve – not their country or anyone else's – but a corporation's needs. Saddam Hussein and the WMD were red herrings. It is tragic that any young men and women serving in the armed forces for noble reasons should be misused so blatantly in such a scandalous endeavour. Unfortunately, whenever money and power head the agenda, there will never be peace. But we Australians could start to make a positive difference if we would take more responsibility for what our government is doing. Thanks GetUp team for giving the 'perceptive but powerless' a voice!

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Chris Pudney
November 14th, 2007

There is an excellent article by Robert Dreyfuss and Tom Engelhardt at TomDispatch

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174861/robert_dreyfuss_fighting_whom_in_iraq_

that argues that the recent significant drop in violence in Iraq provides the best opportunity for the US to announce its timetable for a withdrawal from Iraq.

We should pressure John Howard to announce Australia's timetable for withdrawal and to encourage his close friend George W Bush to do likewise.

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Tony
November 14th, 2007

The issue is that the "government" is a façade. They are all corporations with private interests as shareholders. Australia and Qld is on the SEC (NSW soon). Your land is not owned by you, but the state. Of course they won't listen to the people because we are "persons" created for their expediency. We are slaves with NO SAY. If you think you can march into a Coles board meeting and tell them you want healthy food on the shelf you have a small idea of what a futile effort trying to shut down this massive deception called global-governance. Govern=control, mente=mind. They are controlling us, not the other way around. Elections are simply perceptions of changing the board members of a corporation. The actual shareholders NEVER change. They are the ones answerable, yet are never seen. We have the puppets and the puppet-masters. Watch the Matrix to get an idea. Democracy is a misnomer. As Lenin said: Democracy is indispensable to socialism. Marx said democracy is the path to socialism & socialism leads to communism. So what sort of country do we have? WAKE UP PEOPLE!

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Sidestreet
November 14th, 2007

We don't all mean or understand the same thing when we talk about democracy.

To decent people Democracy is undoubtedly a decent concept and helping poor and oppressed societies to attain democracy ( as in participation, self determination and equity) is eminently supportable.

However, it seems to me that the likes of the Bush and Howard governments believe, as free market capitalists 'leading' privileged nations, that economic freedom is the key to a sound democracy. One problem with that is that while economic freedom is very desirable for the poor it is delivered by business who have no responsibility and to correct market failures. That is the job of government and free market capo govt's don't do that very well for a variety of reasons.

For Iraq, I worry that the corporations are already in there before people even get a chance to discuss what kind of values they want to enshrine in their new democratic government.

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david
November 14th, 2007

Getup can easily become Getout
good idea!

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Ant
November 14th, 2007

Black Law Dictionary definition 1890:
DEMOCRACY. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens; as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. According to the theory of a pure democracy, every citizen should participate directly in the business of governing, and the legislative assembly should comprise the whole people. But the ultimate lodgement of the sovereignty being the distinguishing feature, the introduction of the representative system does not remove a government from this type. However, a government of the latter kind is sometimes specifically described as a "representative democracy."

With that in mind, apart from an election, when was the last referendum you partook in? When was the last “law” (read Act/Statute/Legislation-not real law) that you approved? So you elect these figureheads to re-present you, then they ignore you because they put into place statutes that benefit business and not the people. Did you know that in 1778 George III decreed there be no taxes? Who run the ATO? The people?

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Ken Keen
November 14th, 2007

A disaster just to give John Howard the satisfaction of helping George W Bush. It is about time that the Prliament should not be authorised to go to war unless it is approved by the both houses. This would be too much to ask our PM.. Maybe the new one on 24th will afrrange such an action.

In God we Trust

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Eddie B
November 14th, 2007

Wonderful.

Go to http://www.slcgov.com/mayor/speeches/2007Speeches/102507octoberdemonstration.pdf
to read what the Mayor of Salt Lake City, Utah, in the USA had to say about their involvement in Iraq. This is one of the most inspiring and real communications by an elected official I have ever read!! A must read by everyone, especially by most Australian politicians whose egotistical actions are taking us down the path of terrible destruction.

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Peter Graham
November 14th, 2007

Congratulations to Mr Blix for being awarded the Sydney Peace Prize. It was well deserved. Thank you also for meeting with Brett Solomen from our organisation and your wonderful blog.

The war and occupation of Iraq, prosecuted for a parade of spurious reasons, each less believable than the last, is the most shameful episode in Australia's foreign policy history. It is no wonder that our little would-be Caesar, John Howard, a coward to his boot-straps, did not mention Iraq once in his election policy speech. He obviously did not want to draw attention to his total subjection to the Bush Administration; it wouldn't have helped his prospects.

America attacked Afghanistan after a criminal attack on citizens and property on 9/11. Afghanistan did not attack America and, if the criminals who carried out the attack were thought to be hiding there, bombing the country in the usual brutal, indiscriminate way and then invading was not the solution. 9/11 was but an excuse to carry out a plan formulated months before. The U.N. Charter forbids this outright.

Following hot on the heels of this war crime came the murderous attack on Iraq. This had no excuse whatever, although the Americans made up, as pointed out above, a series of proven lies to justify its aggression. This has left Iraq a country whose infrastructure has been destroyed, hundreds of thousands of its people killed and the rest traumatised, and under occupation by foreign troops, backed up by about one hundred and fifty thousand mercenaries. The only gain for Iraqis was the overthrow of Saddam Hussain, a brutal dictator. His overthrow was marred by his mock trial and murder.

We need not delve deeply into the real motives for these illegal invasions and occupations; the control of Middle East oil and the protection of the American dollar as the reserve currency of the world. Our concerns must be with the way John Howard jumped in with both feet to become involved, despite having no support from the majority of Australian Citizens.

By doing so, he placed our defence forces in danger when no threat to Australia existed. He made Australia a less safe place and placed Australian Citizens and interests overseas in danger. He showed our main ally that we had no independent foreign policy and that we had elected someone prepared to commit a war crime just to curry favour with a war criminal.

We must influence our next Parliament to enact laws that forbid going to war, unless attacked, without proper debate and a two thirds majority in both Houses of Parliament. Only then can we feel safe from the egregious usurpation of power that got this country into such unjust and unjustifiable invasions.



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GlobalSov
November 14th, 2007

If people are still under the delusion that some outside force attacked NYC on Sep 11 that had to be blamed, they must have been asleep for 6yrs. (See Nazi Reichstag fire, Pearl Harbour, 1984 novels false enemies created by Big Brother etc) Ask how 2 of the largest and strongest buildings could collapse. How there was no plane at the Pentagon. How there was no plane at Pennsylvania. How did WTC4 implode (without being hit by anything) etc.

Also, you think it's all about oil? Look up how much water is under the area near Iraq. What are they moving to privatise globally? Who is in charge of Environment here? Where did he come from? What company has a bid to privatise water in Australia? Join the dots people.

Look up, look down-your pants are falling down!!!!

Secondly look at the history of the UN- http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/202.html Who funded it?
This might lead you to the trail of deception quoted by a reader below. Like they say. Wake up out of the matrix slumber.

Thirdly, if we did have a government it should follow a protocol to “Declare War”. This was not followed as far as I know. (Has to do with Gov-Gen gazetting it). As you can see it’s a war, but it’s a Corporate War, so no protocol was required. Hence our fearless leaders are protected under limited liability as board members.

Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise, what it is it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see? (Alice in Wonderland)

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Sunny Miller
November 14th, 2007

I sincerely appreciate the time Hans Blix has given to speak to us on this matter. His sage advice to study the issue is good. In the end it does probably come down to each of us weighing up our beliefs/thoughts and adopting a position at the moment. I guess we then would benefit by staying flexible enough to change our view based on further developments.
Just as people long ago did, we may choose to take personal action by refusing to be cannon fodder. Today it's called the 'military-industrial complex' in bygone days it was called 'prince's wars'. As we get further into this quagmire called 'civilisation' one person's power to influence another can be crucial but the recipient is where the buck stops.
Discretion and discernment combined with respect and generosity are my guidelines.
Again thanks to all in this on-going difficult relationship.
In Humanist peace, Sunny

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Geoff Thomas
November 14th, 2007

It is certainly an important time for us all to become as well informed as possible, as Hans Blix suggests, and in light of that I followed up the suggestion of an earlier poster,(globalsov) to Google Thomas Gold. It turns out he was a proponent of the now largely discredited Abiogenic theory that oil is created by tectonic forces deep in the mantle, - here is a good link for researching that idea, http://www.peakoil.com/contentid-25.html
Unfortunately the Abiotic oil theory is used by those individuals struggling to deny Global Warming and getting desperately short of evidence.

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MichaelD. Breen
November 14th, 2007

Thank you Hans for your civil courage. Now we ordinary citizens need to match it by our own efforts. Democracy is not a specttor sport.
Gratefully,
Michael

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November 14th, 2007

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Big Wal
November 14th, 2007

Thanks Hans for your timely words but why no mention of oil? I rather think that the whole damn intervention was not misguided at all. Quite the contrary. This old war has been going on since the beginning of the 20th century but the invaders are just running out of excuses for their taxpayers back home.And although the response to this blog is heartening, things won't fundamentally change until the world knows the truth of 9/11..the pretext for all the horrors the world is witnessing. I recommend everyone to (former US attorney general) Ramsey Clark's movement "ImpeachBush.org"

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Cal
November 14th, 2007

Hans' comments are fairly spot-on but once the war was on its' way my opposition to it wavered a little. I felt that if all troops were withdrawn, the strongest militant faction would gain ascendency and Iraq would be ruled by yet another religiously fanatical dictator. I think that any hope of peace in the middle east is hopeless because all the conflicts are due to hatred of anybody who is not a part of a religious sect belonging to the hater. I don't know what can be done about that. It is a life-long conditioning and the result is whole countries being set-back to living conditions that existed centuries ago. I can't imagine any Australian putting up with the living conditions of people in Palestine, Iraq or Afghanistan. Part of the solution has to be not just troops, but a huge influx of money and skilled people with a holistic approach; ie education- training young people (or indeed any age) in trades, people to introduce sporting activities, occupational activities, medical training, as well as other academic occupations. If this sort of thing happened, then troops could be used as security initially. We can't just pull out because we have to help rebuild what we tore down. And we have to put aside our religious beliefs while we do it. Okay, perhaps the Iraqis would like to see the back of us so they can get on and do it themselves, but surely we can offer to help? The logistics of how this could be done needs debate because it should not be left wholly to polititions and government or charitable organisations. Critique welcomed.

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Carolyn
November 14th, 2007

Hans Blix has hit on the most startling occurence in the the aftermath of the invasion of Iraq -the fact that Kofi Annan did what he could as Secretary General of the body established to avoid mor war and no one listened - the fact that people of peace and reason who flocked to their cities , lobbied their representatives all to no avail and yet this war we are being told is to bring democracy to the middle east.

The message I've been hearing from those who's views from the middle east occasionally come to us through the mass media is that they are aware of the way of life in western democracy and it is not the way they want to live.

We tolerate different views amongst our friends - lets hope we can live alongside and recognise rights to live and let live not try to find excuses to take life because we think it is the only option - war is barbaric in any form.

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ruby
November 14th, 2007

Thankyou Brett
and thanks to Hans Blix for this article.
The getup website is undertaking a massively vital role. Amidst the bleary 'war on...' rhetoric, it's informative to hear Hans urge us to study & be informed through intelligent discussions about peace
Ruby

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Janice Hinckfuss
November 14th, 2007

Dear Hans Blix,

I was fortunate enough to attend your Sydney Prize lecture where you spoke eloquently and intelligently about the need to revitalise disarmament. I am grateful to you for h untiring work in humanitarian law and in promoting and enabling peace. I also thank your for your mention of The Canberra Report of 1996. Of reminding Australians of a time when our country did assume its international responsibilities and was a voice of reason and an advocate of social justice. Unlike today when our country is ruled by a warmongering and brutish government that promotes self-interest and material greed.

Thank-you for your courage, dignity and wisdom,



Janice Hinckfuss

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Big Wal
November 14th, 2007

I have to take issue with Cal.The idea that ideaology or religion are the sole contributers of middle east conflict is but a prime example of western corporate propaganda. Jews and Palestinians lived happily side by side for centuries in what is now called Israel.Fomenting conflict and arming and training combatants is the domain of our secret western agencies.Easiest thing in the world - steal someones land and then hand 'em a gun and sit back, put your feet up and watch the whole place go up in smoke. Divide and rule. The oldest trick in the book.

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Brains
November 14th, 2007

Congratulations to Hans for supporting GetUp in putting Iraq up as an election issue. The reason that Mr Howard has "not mentioned" the war is that it was an undemocratic action not sanctioned by Parliament in the first place, and is now quite indefensible. And that is an indictment on all of us.

Like Norma Hobbs, I am ashamed of our inability to make our voices heard, especially having been a Liberal Party member until recently. But even the strongly expressed views of prominent Liberals like Malcolm Fraser, John Valder and John Hewson have not had any effect.

Fortunately the polls are indicating that people are seeing through all the clever spin of a man determined to stay in power as long as possible, and are no longer believing his "promises" or listening to his rhetoric about economic management and his sneering denigration of his opponents. He has stayed too long, and has lost any claim now to have been a great leader, having led his government and us his people down too many crooked paths.

What is the answer? It is to use the democratic process as it should be - to vote them out and bring in a fresh lot with real policies to undo the neglect of the past in respect of infrastructure, education, health, work relations, research and development, climate change and resource management, etc. Mr Rudd is offering new leadership and should be given a go. If he fails, then he will get voted out too.

We are certainly trying hard to do that to the PM himself in Bennalong, thanks to GetUp!

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Sam McNally
November 14th, 2007

John Howard should be compelled to a) study this comment from Hans Blix and b) comment publicly on the content, so that his views are clearly understood in front of the Australian people. It's a reasonable assumption that he would vigorously dis-agree with everything Hans Blix has said, because he must uphold the flawed list of reasons for getting on board with this unwinnable and unjustifiable invasion and endless war.

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Kathy B
November 14th, 2007

To Scott H - To find out how the Howard Government has found ways to silence its critics read "Silencing Dissent" bu Clive Hamilton & Sarah Maddison. How the Australian Government is controlling public opinion and stifling debate

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Helen Shannon
November 14th, 2007

Why didn't anyone in power listen to Hans Blix at the time? Thank you for publishing this message from him to jog our memories and consciences during a paltry election campaign which doesn't discuss the subject of the war at all.

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John
November 14th, 2007

Thank you Mr Blix!

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John Faulkner
November 14th, 2007

Thankyou Dr. Blix. Your input based upon rational and intelligent comment is very well timed and received.
Let us hope that the powers that be accept your words too!
Regards, John Faulkner

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Kamau Gacheru
November 14th, 2007

Many thanks Hans Blix, your knowledge and insight on this issue is very much appreciated. You quoted misinformation in the age of information, i wholeheartedly agree with you.
On the homefront, Clive Hamiltion and Sarah Maddison book "Silencing Dissent" is a brilliant expose of the Howards Govt control of public opinion and debate, highly reccommend it.

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pauline
November 14th, 2007


It's funny I was just thinking of this on my way to work.
You know the next American President has one very simple job.
To go on Al Jazzerra and say a simple word to the Iraqi people.
Sorry.
Both American and Iraq know what it's like to have bad presidents who bring them in stupid wars. They both lost alot of their Sons and Daughters over the past few years.
The new president should build on that commonality.
It's time for Americans to put their own interests to the side and do the right thing by Iraq. Eventually it will be the right thing for America.

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Angela
November 14th, 2007

How deeply disappointing it is that Kevin Rudd in his campaign launch today did not mention our involvement in the invasion of Iraq. It would appear he has no more principle than the Howard Government which dragged us into America's dishonest, destructive and dangerous war.

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Shirley Wilson
November 15th, 2007

No more violence please. Peaceful negotiations only

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Chris
November 15th, 2007

I believe that Hans Blix deserves to receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his bravery in open critisism of world leaders.

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Ron Woods
November 15th, 2007

Re Angela's comment that Kevin Rudd did not mention Iraq, the following is quoted directly from his campaign launch speech: "And on Iraq, the time has come to implement an exit strategy for our combat forces – forces who are needed much closer to home." A small single-line comment, true, but I believe it is a commitment for withdrawal.

At every previous election, the Howard government has managed to hang on to power by scare campaigns based on proven lies. Hopefully, the electorate will now realize how badly they've been deceived and vote Howard and his cronies out of office.

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Brian Cairns
November 15th, 2007

Hans, you said it all. We have been cynically misled and
manipulated by Bush, Howard and their cronies while they
promoted their own secret agendas. The obscene mess that is Iraq may never be adequately rectified, and its detrimental effects on the peace and security of our world
will be forever with us. The sooner we get rid of Howard
and Bush the better and safer the world will be.
on world peace

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Chris Colenso-Dunne
November 15th, 2007

Surprise, surprise - the Yanks have made a complete mess of taking control in Iraq. They are lethally effective when they launch an invasion - as the world's most powerful military power they ought to be. But when have the Yanks ever got it right once they're in? Think Roosevelt's failure to comprehend Stalin's intent at the end of WWII in Europe; think the US failure in Vietnam; think their failure in Somalia. The trouble with the Yanks is that they lack vision, they lack insight, they lack empathy - this is the inevitable result of a dimwitted, Sunday School interpretation of the European Protestant tradition that leads too many Yanks to see the world from the perspective of a simplistic fight between God and Satan - unsurprisingly, not too different from most other quasi-theocracies.

The worst thing the rest of the world can now do is abandon Iraq to the tender mercies of these incompetent fools. This means that countries like Australia and the UK now have a duty to persevere to the bitter end to try to bring peace back to Mesopotamia. We're there now and we have to stay to do our best to help sort out the bloody mess that Iraq has become thanks to the Yanks' incompetence. Walking away at this crucial point is about as gutless as walking away from a house that's on fire while there are still people inside screaming for help. The Iraqi Shiite Arabs and the Iraqi Sunni Arabs are not going to come to a cosy resolution of their differences just because the US, the UK and Australia pull out. The only long term solution for the peoples of Mesopotamia is to partition modern Iraq into a Sunni Kurdish North and two or more separate Sunni Arab and Shiite Arab dominated countries in the centre and the south. This will be no small undertaking and Australia has a duty to help make it happen by continuing to contribute as many soldiers as possible for many years ahead.

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Dierk von Behrens
November 15th, 2007

Having been born in and spent the first period of my life to the age of 8 months in the Middle East - from 6 weeks to 8 months in Bagdad - I have had a close interest in the region life-long. Despite the murderousness of Hussein, I was and still am totally opposed to the invasion of the willing and resultant killing.
On the precedent of the Nuremberg judgments I was not at work as a public servant during the three weeks of active fighting. I am proud to belong to the Greens who have opposed this illegal invasion from the beginning. Please vote for more Greens to represent us.

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Holly Beattie
November 15th, 2007

What an incredibly inspirational letter to GetUp. Thank you so very much, Hans Blix, for enduring the storm and sharing this experience and wisdom with us.

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Frank Legge
November 15th, 2007

It is astonishing that page after page of comments are posted here with only about 1 per page mentioning that the stated reason for the invasion of Afghanistan was just as bogus as that for Iraq.

It is often said that 9/11 changed the world, and it is true. One would think that after six years a substantial number of people would have discovered the truth about 9/11. Explosives were used to bring down all three buildings and the evidence was removed as fast as possible.

So the real question is not why governments perform these criminal acts, it is why the media hides the truth. If the people knew the truth they would not vote in these bloody minded governments.

Study the media and the link between govt and media.

To see what some brave scientists are saying about 9/11 visit the Journal of 9/11 Studies.

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Noel Will
November 15th, 2007

Hans
I thank you for you comment.I don't believe any of the countries involved in the conflict in Iraq are there because of any lack of understanding -- they are all there as a result of a very carefully constructed campaign; a key element of which was to manipulate public opinion.
I thank you for your willingness to be outspoken.
Noel.

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michael harry
November 15th, 2007

im disgusted with the governments of the so called willing coalition there outright lies and deceptions should be condemned by all, imagine the poverty that could be alievated with the money poured into an illegal war such as iraq 1.8 trillion dollars spent by the US so far. if australia is to be respected in the wider world it should face reality and withdraw its support for the more dubious US foriegn policies particularly concerning iraq.surely we aspire to be more than bushes lapdog in global affairs

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Wendy Steendam
November 15th, 2007

Mr Howard, you took us to an unjustifable war in Iraq. Before the election you must address this issue and,so we can be clear on where you currently stand, state your future plans on this issue. Do you plan to withdraw our troops and when?

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Helen
November 15th, 2007

Congratulations to Mr Blix, as well as GetUp, Sam and Louise, in attempting to give a higher profile to the Iraq situation in the current election campaign. It has seemed lost amid more mundane local concerns. For a poignant musical reminder of the Coalition's role in Iraq, browse "sorrylittleman" for a link to a specially-written song on YouTube.

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yvonne hallas
November 15th, 2007

I thank Hans for his input, and I fully support Louise and Sam
in their endeavours. Regards Yvonne

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charles
November 15th, 2007

Another disgusting aspect is that much of the war in Iraq has been outsourced to Blackwater security and others, who are making huge profits from the US taxpayer, and who are not likely to want an end to the war

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Pagan Richards
November 15th, 2007

Good on you Hans, Sam and Louise!

I totally support you all on this.
I finally achieved a pregnancy in 2003 after 21 IVF attempts and thought that Howard and Bush were trying single handedly to bring about the downfall of the world!! Finally going to have a child and they want to bring about world war 3! I have been totally agianst it from the start and I truly feel for ALL the mothers in Iraq, hearing weapons being dropped and having a lack of food, shelter medicine, heating and cooling.

What an unbearable situation for them and for our people!!

Bring them back! I offer my heart felt support and best wishes!!

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Martin Bannard
November 15th, 2007

For their ignorance or lack of integrity, but most of all for the deaths of thousands of innocent people, John Howard, George Bush, Tony Blair and all their cronies should be tried for war crimes.

Why have a United Nations when they are simply ignored? The greatest intelligence was offered by yourself through difficult and passionate work.

My apologies that the ego's got their way and were able to evade your common sense.

With an election coming up - where's the accountability? These politicians have sent people to their deaths and will retire on immense amounts of our tax dollars. I'm a little peeved if you hadn't noticed!

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Tiffany
November 15th, 2007

You're right Mr Blix. For too long our Aussie boys have been a pawn in the game and I, for one, long to hear of their withdrawal from Iraq before any more disasters befall them and for what? John Howard's ego? Spare them.

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Karen Carr
November 15th, 2007

I remember the Vietnam War very well and the horrors it produced in Vietnam, America, Austrlaia and New Zealand. the Iraq conflict is worse!! It must be stopped now and many fit, young people are being wasted.

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Rogue
November 15th, 2007

I am filled with shame that OZ went to war in Iraq. Iraq was not a fundamentalist religious regime. The Iraqis did nothing to us to deserve this invasion and occupation of their country by foreigners.

Hans Blix is right to say we should not have invaded this country. he is also right to say we should get out as soon as possible.

How did our headless chooks get into power in OZ anyway?

Regards,
Rogue

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Jinpa
November 15th, 2007

so clear, so true and admirable.. may every school child read this. Thank you Hans Blix.
I marched against the war in Vietnam, against the hatefulness of Wave Hill. My friends burned their draft cards and had to leave university and live in hiding.
Years later I listened to the radio at work in horror as the first bombs were dropped on Iraq...
In this lifetime I would like to hear the celebrations of Peace and freedom also.

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Linda Domaschenz
November 15th, 2007

Thanks Hans for reiterating my own thoughts regards Lindax

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Paul
November 16th, 2007

You cant take the WAR out of HoWARd...

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David Ian
November 16th, 2007

I think that Australia, having withdrawn from Iraq, would be well advised to spend the funds saved (i.e. the funds required to keep our troops over there as opposed to here) on direct aid to the country via the United Nations. I believe Australia should do all it can to strengthen the United Nations.

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pfcheah
November 16th, 2007

australians,americans, the british and the rest of the so called democratic world should seriously ask themselves if they really live in a democracy!
a country is truly democratic only if there is a free media, independent civil service and independent judiciary.
in most cases, only an independent judiciary saves them from being a police state and this is slowly being eroded.
the media is controlled by a few with close links to government,especially in the USA.civil servants are bullied to toe the government line and increasingly unjust laws are passed in the name of protection from terrorism.
thanks to bush and his cronies,the terrorists have won!
we will eventually live in fascist police states, if we do not wake up now!

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michael mcgoldrick
November 16th, 2007

excellent blog. good to see the men of peace getting a chance to have their say

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Dorin Hart
November 16th, 2007

It was so refreshing to hear Hans interviewed on Radio National prior to giving the Sydney Peace Prize lecture. At last some one who dares to call a spade a spade!
Thank you so much
Dorin

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Peter Townsend
November 16th, 2007

Thank you Mr Blix for your candour. I am pleased to hear someone who has been involved in international affairs speaking in a language I can understand. I agree that we, outsiders could trust the Iraqi people a lot more than we do to sort themselves out. Undoubtedly it will be messy but these guys are the heirs of a civilisation that began 3000 years ago while we in the New World just got here. Maybe we could learn from them!

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Mal Parsons
November 16th, 2007

work peacefully for peace, please

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John Hunt is a Coward
November 16th, 2007

Australian journalist, John Pilger on the criminality of Iraq's invasion and occupation:

http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2007-11/14pilger.cfm

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Doris Kerner
November 16th, 2007

I can't agree more with Hans Blix and all who think alike.
I am - as some others - amazed that the 'issue' Iraq has not been mentioned during the election campaign. Conveniently swepped under the carpet?!
doris

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Nori Menolotto
November 16th, 2007

It's commendable that Hans Blix lends his support which is backed by grass roots knowledge.

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Mountain Spirit
November 16th, 2007

Well I believe the real war is with the multi nationals. That is the big oil companies and the world bank that finances these programmes. Does the world bank finance the war in Iraq? Our own government has betrayed us at a cost I believe to be $6 billion a month to be in Iraq. If we spent this money on education and hospitals we would not be classed as dummies with fat problems. The two main terrorists to the world I can see is global warming and a major shortage of clean drinkable water. And then there is the depleted uranium in the bombs in Iraq. So what is that going to do to mother earth?? It is a bit like the intervention order they put on aboriginal people - unconstitutional, and very racist. Our farmers are being charged for water they don't even use yet power stations can use unlimited water at the expense of the people. Again, most of these power stations are used by multi-nationals. Little things make a difference. View bunyawatch.com on toxic emissions.

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carolyn burton
November 16th, 2007

Thank you Mr Blix for your support for Peace, but your comments are too gentle.

There can be no justification for the high-jacking of our democracy by our very own governments. There is no excuse and no valid explanation for the fact that our elected officials refused the People of Our nation a public voice against going TO WAR upon a distant country not threatening us in any way not manageable with DIPLOMACY.

And there is no punishment severe enough to fit the crime of lying to the entire world, drumming up excuses for aggression, and conspiritorially disguising beneath a cloak of deceit and subterfuge, the true motivation for our politicians and military leaders unleashing Their Illgitimate, Murderous, Shocking massacre of 1,000,000's upon 1,000,000's of innocents, not only in Iraq, but many conflict zones around our globe.

There has to be a price for these power hungry politicians to pay and there must be recompense for their misled, indignant citizens.

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isabelonacycle
November 16th, 2007

much is required by those to whom much is given, for their responsibility is greater.

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wombat
November 17th, 2007

Thank you Hans Blix. We Australians consider ourselves as having a good sense of humour; we keep voting for the same clowns. Is it too late to stop being influenced by a "Garrison Economy" that calls itself United?

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Mal
November 17th, 2007

Thank you Hans Blix for your insite on this sad and dangerous issue.

But don't forget Afghanistan! Once we get peace there then maybe UNOCAL CAN RESUME CONSTRUCTION OF THE BILLION DOLLAR PIPELINE to carry the OCEAN OF OIL under most of the 'stans to the Pakistan coast. The BILLION DOLLAR construction was terminated by the invasion - purely a coincidence I'm sure.

And since the day of the invasion we haven't heard a peep about the OCEAN OF OIL under most of the 'stans - purely an oversight I'm sure. Ah yes - we have peak oil now don't we? Let me just remind myself - we are running out of oil..... we are running out of oil...... we are running out of oil.... Ah that's better! If I keep saying that to myself then I don't feel so bad when I go to fill up and I don't feel so worried about the third world coming undone when they get the price to $200 a barrel because we have peak oil (nudge nudge wink wink).

Goodonya, Mr Blix - nice to know there are some decent folk around!

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Enatine Pargiter
November 17th, 2007

To Hans Blix, Thank you for your contribution to honesty and integrity. The Coalition of the Wilful have thrust Iraq back to the civil war of the fifties; was it because Sadam signed up with the Euro currency? At least under Sadam, women were free to attend University and all Education and Healthcare were FREE. Since over three thousand US troops have died in Iraq, I am reminded of the words of Atossa (Herodotus, History 3) "Lord. you have not had a war for over 20 years, young men are growing who will challenge your authority."

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E Dale
November 17th, 2007

Hans Blix...a wise, experienced and learned man who speaks the truth (unlike the Coalition of the so called willing!) If anyone can honestly speak of what happened on the ground in Iraq, you certainly can.

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Alan
November 17th, 2007

I believed in what he had to say on Iraq not Bush! Hans Blix has principles that's the difference.

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Andrew
November 17th, 2007

Hans Blix, Thanks for continuing to speak out!

The Iraq war, instead of making the world safer, has given countries like Iran (who now have a reason to feel threatened) the motivation to continue developing WMDs.

Is this what America wanted to achieve by invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, and that posed no real, or unmanageable, threat to anyone?

Sadly, as stated in the Sydney Morning Herald this week, US threats against Iran have also given it an excuse to clamp down more on its dissidents - who no doubt will be regarded as traitors supporting western interventionism.

How do these developments contribute to peace, freedom or stability in the area?

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James
November 17th, 2007

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James
November 17th, 2007

Hans is correct, but to probe the true motives behind the invasion, we have to examine the public manipulation to enable military action to be instigated and sustained in terms of domestic politics. Before the internet, peoples everywhere had to rely on mainstream and government sources entirely. Now you have a choice. The pretext for these invasions was 9/11. Until there is a transparent, full and independent inquiry, which has not occurred, questions will remain unanswered with the real risk of a similar 'false flag' operation happening soon, in relation to Iran. Why wait, just google: 9/11 truth.

Some FAQs about 9/11 'conspiracy theories’. Until there is a genuine investigation there will be thousands of theories to choose from as alternatives to the ‘official’ conspiracy theory. However, people are not inclined to reject an idea - especially a widely held one - unless they can imagine a plausible alternative to replace it. This list addresses some of the common questions:

1. Doesn't the ‘government-conspiracy’ view of the attack necessitate the involvement of large numbers of people?

Not in the execution of the attack. In fact there are plausible scenarios that involve fewer conspirators than the official story. High-ranking officials in the government have at their disposal several things that Osama bin Laden did not, including advanced weapons systems operable by computer, and a hierarchical and compartmentalized military command structure that allows complex operations to be hidden from all but a small group of operatives. The speculative scenario outlined in Attack Scenario 404 explains how the attack might have been carried out by as few as twelve individuals.

2. How could even a small number of people be persuaded to participate in such a horrific plan?

Money is very persuasive, and given the magnitude of the economic interests riding on the success of the attack (measurable in hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars), huge sums could have bought people's cooperation. Some operatives may have been misled about the scope and cruelty of the plan. For example, operatives who set up the Pentagon attack may have been unaware of the planned World Trade Center attack and vice versa. People who installed explosives in the towers may have believed they were preparing the buildings for demolition under circumstances quite different than the 9/11/01 attack.

3. How is it that none of the conspirators have changed their minds and come forward, allowing the story to remain invisible in the mass media for more than four years?

Operatives would be carefully screened to assure their loyalty to the attack's planners and to each other. Given the magnitude of the crime, admission of involvement would expose a conspirator to swift silencing by co-conspirators, vigilante justice by an outraged public, or harsh judgment by a court of law. It is also possible that many of the operatives could have been killed before or during the attack.

4. How is it that no one who was not involved - but who happened to be close enough to see evidence and draw the right conclusions - has come forward either?

Appearances that there are no such witnesses are deceptive. For example, firefighters reported explosions in the towers, but official transcripts of their statements were purged of all such references. The objections of many people to the destruction of ‘Ground Zero’ evidence was not widely reported. Coverage has also been sparse on the lawsuits by some of the victims' families.

5. How could the conspirators have been confident enough to plan such a complex attack given the risk of exposure by witnesses who saw too much?

The key to success was to make the attack so bold and shocking that even people who were involved in covering it up (like leaders in the media, FEMA, FBI, etc.) would fall for the fraud. The FBI agents running around seizing video around the Pentagon may have thought they were covering up a war-game-gone-bad. Architects of the massive evidence destruction operation at Ground Zero may have thought they were shielding the building's designers from charges of faulty engineering. Layers of cover stories allow people abetting the scam to think they are covering up less serious crimes.

6. In spite of the consolidation of ownership of the media, wouldn't there at least be some reporters and editors willing to expose the scam to make names for themselves?

To seriously investigate the 9/11/01 attack, reporters and editors have to question the basic tenets of the official story. Such questioning, while widespread on the web, continues to be heresy in newsrooms. For reporters to acknowledge the larger implications of the attack being an inside job, they would have to question much of what they have been taught since childhood about the beneficence of our leaders and the nobility of our government and economic system. Such an awakening can involve a great deal of painful disillusionment. The small group of wealthy people who own and control the media are not inclined to question the OBL (Osama Bin Laden) myth since that myth shifts responsibility away from the real perpetrators, whom they associate with.

Finally, consider the following three facts:
1) The September 11 attacks changed America's governance, course and balance of power more than any event since Pearl Harbor or the Kennedy assassination.
Five years later, the official 9/11 story still remains the administration's primary source of political power over the nation's foreign policy, military missions, intelligence agenda, budget priorities, and even judicial environment. To this day, the 9/11 attacks and consequent "War on Terror" are repeatedly invoked to rationalize problematic situations and justify unprecedented new practices and policies.
2) Most Americans distrust the official 9/11 story and nearly half want a new criminal investigation.
Zogby International's May 2006 9/11 poll revealed that less than 50% of the American public trust the integrity or conclusions of the 9/11 Commission, and 45% desire a new and truly independent investigation that would also examine evidence for government foreknowledge, facilitation and/or complicity. (A separate 2004 Zogby poll found that two out of three New Yorkers also support such an inquiry.)
3) Hundreds of prominent figures from all parties, faiths and ethnic backgrounds have publicly called for a new and truly independent 9/11 investigation.
Those demanding a new criminal inquiry now comprise many eminent Americans including signatories to the 9/11 Truth Statement such as the 2004 presidential candidates for the Reform, Green and Libertarian parties; theologians, rabbis and imams; scientists, pilots, first responders and filmmakers; corporate executives, military officers and high government officials from both Republican and Democratic administrations.

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Andrea
November 17th, 2007

Well done James,

it is time we consistently speak out about the lies behind 9/11, the big lie that started all (maybe not considering Bosnia, First Iraq war and many more before)

At the Rome film festival a couple of weeks ago a documentary was presented called "ZERO" it took two year to make. It is an two year long investigation, against a one day investigation from the 9/11 commission on the fact of what happen on 9/11.

Election are coming up and there is no where to be found again, anyone reminding that we invaded two sovereign country against international laws, killed more than a million civilians, and John Howard lied to all of us and stained our hands of innocent blood.

Who is the terrorist? Who are the real terrorist?




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Toby
November 18th, 2007

Thank you Hans for having the courage to speak the truth.

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Lindsay Smith
November 18th, 2007

The American Eagle

Radio on the wall play us the number one the hit song,
‘the American Eagle has no brains it flies into walls.’
Francesca the most mysterious person he never really knew
despite her outrageously wacky hat she did know all about sex said, ‘this head automatically turns off any thing in bad taste.’ Then when she had nailed everyone’s rapt attention ‘you can tell people about witchcraft but you can’t lead them to it.’ That set everyone with presents back on their high heels.
Radio on the wall play us a great tune or go to hell,
‘Yes it is Francesca here.’ The Radio kept blaring rap crap while she sang,
‘If you don’t possess a purple tiffany box
you can’t expect to grow like a yellow daisy.’
‘Radio on the wall tell me why, why do American Eagles
fly into walls and knock their brains out.’
Francesca got off the phone jiggling like a teabag
& shouted out to all within range,
‘I need to have a pee desperately,’
& she left right left right left right left with Staggers
& her kittens following in single file tails between their legs.
‘Radio on the wall why do American Eagles hit the wall?’
With his last gasp in extreme agony he wheezed,
‘The American Eagle has no brains it flies into walls.’
Unwanted, alone, uncared for, now stone dead,
his crocodile skin boots still sit in the repair shop.
Remember his last wish was to expire with perfect plastic teeth.
Those shining eyes could only be described as terminal fireballs.
He fried with extreme prejudice in the updraft.
‘Radio on the wall play us all a bugle call.’
The monster python swallowed a whole sheep
& never spat out any shredded wool.
‘Radio on the wall a song to aid digestion, if you please.’
After my farewell remarks Francesca pressed the END
continuously but it did not END.
Heaven does not kick in until you’re dead.
Radio on the wall I am tired of poets, give me history.

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jim ellis
November 19th, 2007

congratulions to you all. much good work is happening here. i think our next fed gov needs to set up australia to stand on our own feet and take our responsible part in the world quest foe peace and justice for all.

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Amanda
November 19th, 2007

I commend you, Hans Blix, for having the courage to speak out on this matter.

It is so heartening to see so many people in support of peace in this world. War does not solve anything, and indeed, I think Western governments know this - they instigate and support war because of the economic benefits. I believe the future of humanity depends on us realizing that we are a world community, and that each and every member of this community has an integral part to play in it. Every single human being matters - and we've got to start with our kids! Have a look at this website: http://www.naturalchild.org/ For humanity to start moving towards peace, we must bring up our children with love, dignity and compassion, as they are our future!!! Our world is the result of how people were treated as children, and thus how they learnt to see the world!

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Simon
November 19th, 2007

I think it is fantastic that someone with as high a profile as Hans Blix has the guts to stand up and speak his version of the truth of what is happening in Iraq. For someone with his role in the original investigation of the case for war, his indictment of the "Coalition of the Willing" is damning indeed.

If only some of the other high profile Coalition figureheads had the guts to take responsibilty for the tragic shame that is taking place in Iraq day after day.

And about a timetable for withdrawal - of course. Do the Colition of the Domesticated expect they will be able to stay in Iraq indefinitely? Probably. At least until their next election.

How should we withdraw from Iraq? You, the governments of the Coalition of the Spineless invaded Iraq without the support of your own countries, the UN and the Iraqi people. It's your problem - you work it out.

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Geoff Hocking
November 19th, 2007

Well done Mr Blix.

It is essential that Mr Howard sets down his plans for the future of his committment to the war. If he is removed from office next Saturday he is still responsible as far as I am concerned, after all he took the decision to go to war on his own, he can't just walk away into retirement without making his amends.
We all deserve an apology. I wouldn't mind one for Vietnam as well. Those of us old enough to have protested then were treated like dirt, what a strange thing that we were actually in the right to do so - as we must do now. What is it about conservatives that they hate democratic action so much?

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Terry Summers
November 19th, 2007

Noam Chomsky in his latest lucid, rigorous and thoroughly documented book, 'Hegemony or Survival' says it so well about America's quest for global dominance.

Congratulations for your efforts to bring Mr Howard to account for his errors of judgement on this most illegal of wars.

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Anna McCormack
November 19th, 2007

Thank you Hans Blix for speaking up, again, with commonsense and candour. When a peaceful and integrated world is further away than ever, it's so heartening to hear the voices of reason and compassion.

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Philip Machanick
November 19th, 2007

It's tremendous to have Hans Blix saying the bleeding obvious here -- it has that much more authority from someone who was there. I wonder how often that happens -- there's just so much the likes of Chomsky can do from the sidelines?

If it weren't so serious Howard's "don't mention the war" could be likened to a Fawlty Towers episode. Doubtful though I am about the detail of Rudd and his me-tooism (at least he added a word to the language), he has to be better. The sooner we get rid of this sick joke of a prime minister and his noisome team the better. Let's hope the Greens get a good showing in the Senate for some balance.

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Brett
November 19th, 2007

Inspirational. Thank you!

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Hendrik
November 19th, 2007

To a certain extend I disagree with Mr Blix and his view that the invasion of Iraq should not have happened. In a nutshell my question is what where the alternatives? More sanctions? More resolutions calling on Saddam Hussein to bring true democracy to Iraq? A CIA mission to build up the anti Saddam movement in southern and northern Iraq, which would have led to a very bloody civil war?
My view is that the biggest mistake was not finishing Saddam off during the first Gulf War, this is partially the responsibility of the UN. However I do not blame the UN as such, because they are a toothless tiger that is undermined by the power-hungry leaders of the powerful nations.
Not one of them is willing to give any real power to the UN because they want it for themselves and perhaps fear that a proper UN will show them up for what they really are.
My take on the UN is that it's creation is one of the greatest things that humanity has ever done but it's actual execution is one of worst things that humanity has ever done. In a way it is a sick joke to make people think that there is a better future with a UN leading us into a golden age of peace and prosperity for all but underneath the UN is being white-anted by just about everyone, including some within it's own ranks.
I am not saying Mr Blix is one of those but his comment here is rather light and very much aimed at a leftist audience. If what he wrote is truly what he believes then he perhaps should go back into retirement. To say, now that the power vacuum has been created, we should let the Iraqis sort it out for themselves is stupid.
What will happen? All those tribal leaders will all of a sudden come together and work for a united future? The Shiite and Sunnis will sort themselves out and even invite the Kurds to the big round table to divide up power, land and the oil? Of course once the coalition leaves, Al Quida will leave too and Iran and other nations will not meddle in the affairs of Iraq.
No, the only way I can see forward for Iraq and the middle east is for other powerful nations like France, Germany, China and others to go in there and help build a true democracy. Or in other words we need a powerful UN who can deal without fear or favour to deliver a good outcome for all except those who crave power for themselves.
There are other things that should have been done, such as finish the work in Afghanistan. So the US could at least have an example to hold up of what it wants to do elsewhere before starting on the next dictatorship.
Then there is the idea of having a referendum to determine what sort of future the people of Iraq want. At least that way the coalition of the willing could with some authority declare that the people of Iraq want this and we are here to deliver. This is called a mandate and should have been number one priority after the actual invasion was complete. Then again perhaps the coalition was fearful that the people of Iraq might have voted to put Saddam back in power.
I don't doubt that the vast majority of Iraqi people are decent, honest and just want an opportunity to live in peace but it is the minority who want to have it all, that will destroy a defenceless Iraq.

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glenn staunton
November 19th, 2007

Well spoken Mr Blix. Mr Howard, Mr Rudd, please note.

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cardinal dotdline
November 20th, 2007

The war and the occupation are no way to defeat al-Qaeda. The war and the occupation are a recruitment drive for al-Qaeda.

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Andrew Perry
November 20th, 2007

When was the last time you heard, via media, of our foreign debt?
For me it was the Howard/Keating election 11 years ago and was an election issue. Our debt was 180 billion dollars.
I have found through the Australian bureau of Statistics that 6 years ago it stood at 500 billion dollars. Today, after 6 years of economic boomtime it stands at 1 trillion dollars. Yes, that’s right, it doubled in 6 years. You can check it out for yourself. http://abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@archive.nsf/log?openagent&5302031.xls&5302.0&Time Series Spreadsheet&1FCAFF46342653FACA257346007CB6F2&0&Jun 2007&30.08.2007&Latest
Scroll down and click on the series ID right of FOREIGN DEBT LIABILITIES
I know all the issues dealt with on GetUp are serious but if you do not face the largest issue facing Australia and the world you will be fighting hundreds of bushfires
There is a secret that needs to be exposed to us. That secret lies within our financial structure.
We believe that our Australian dollar is our currency. Well it is not. All our money in existence has come into being through being borrowed. Let me explain, when our govt wants more money into circulation it approaches the Reserve Bank of Australia. The RBA approaches financial institutions of its choice. That institution 'loans' that money to the govt, has the mint print it or more simply enter the figures into treasury's account and then charges us interest on the 'loan'.
Here's the catch, that financial institution or bank merely produces the money into existence, it is not money that the bank already had, the money is created into the economy.
For the first quarter of last century our treasury once produced our own currency and charged ourselves with a fraction of a percent interest. Now we 'borrow' our currency from banks, hence our dollar is known as a banknote not a treasury note.
This system is easily explained in documentaries like 'Money as Debt', ‘Zeitgeist’ and 'The Money Masters' available on Youtube.com
How do we repay that interest? Via taxes and excises.
What happens when our govt pays the interest on our loans to overseas banks from our tax revenue? The money then goes out of our economy and we need to borrow more to fill the void. Hence ALL countries with a central banking system are in perpetually spiraling DEBT
Why don't the media tell us of this? Because you are not meant to know
People in African countries starve to death with massive foreign debt.
Govt debt is a fraction of the debt incurred by Australia. The majority of debt comes from personal and business loans. Yes the money that you borrowed for that car or house the bank never had. When you signed over control to the bank of the issuance of new money, the figures were then entered into your account when that money never existed before. You now pay interest on that amount and pay back the principal
This provides a problem. Where do you get the money to repay interest and principal when only principal was loaned into existence? The answer lies in larger loans to be created. Hence our govt borrows more and house prices increase to further us into debt.
It is an impossible treadwheel we run on. This is why your money does not buy as much. This is why couples nowadays have to both work. Mortgages take one third of the average income. Average home loans now exceed half a million dollars
Stop rubbing your hands together thinking how much your home is now worth. We have to consider ourselves collectively.
You can ignore this pinnacle of all issues and watch our country plunge further in debt due to the greed of overseas banks who pay no tax on profits, and I hope that the bank does not claim your property when it tightens up money in society with interest rate increases, or we can GetUp and inform ourselves of our plight and take action
Legendary Australian, R.M Williams
When asked what message he would like to deliver to modern Australia said on his 90th birthday
"Oh, alright. Rewrite the Banking act to give the federal Treasurer power to control the nations money; reform the monetary system; limit the International Monetary Fund's powers; resurrect the rural credits department; make foreign companies pay tax in Australia; allow gold producers to sell overseas and give people back control over their own money"
In 1937, When the Commonwealth Bank was our central bank, Australia had a Royal Commission into Money and Banking. Justice Napier of the commission issued a statement that read "The Commonwealth Bank can make money available to Governments or to others on such terms as it chooses- even by way of a loan without interest, or even without requiring either interest or repayment of the principal"
Please understand the importance of this. We could have had a foreign debt of nothing. We could have taken our personal and business loans from our own bank with interest returning to the economy. We could have eliminated tax due to revenue raised. We could have also loaned overseas. Of huge importance we could have controlled our own interest rates. No more boom bust economy which is designed to reap money from us (buy low, sell high)
Be aware people; educate yourself and others of our situation. Watch 'Money as Debt', watch 'The Money Masters', watch 'Zeitgeist' all on youtube.com or purchase DVD
Little known facts..
Bill Gates has never been the richest man in the world.
We borrow into existence our currency from overseas banks that pay no tax.
Our foreign debt doubled in the last 6 years to 1 trillion dollars ($1,000,000,000,000).
At 8% interest that is 80 billion dollars per year in interest
Australia, until 1924, printed our own currency through our Treasury.
There were less than half a dozen countries that don't loan their currency from foreign banks.
Iraq was one of those few, and that Iran is another.
President John F Kennedy brought 4 billion dollars of treasury owned currency into circulation which was withdrawn immediately after his assassination.
We have been completely duped, ripped off, and are spiraling into slavery.
Get Up, Stand Up for each other and expose these secrets.

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Glenn Self
November 20th, 2007

Thanks to Hans.
Though of course it is nonsense to say that, "The Coalition governments misled themselves and then they misled the world."

The 'coalition' knew exactly what they were doing. The war was a venal smash and grab for control of Iraq's oil.
These people are war criminals and should be facing their own Nuremberg.


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Ian G
November 20th, 2007

What an endorsement for your campaign Hans Blix provides. I recall him as the only voice of reason at the time.
I wrote the following article prior to the invasion of Iraq which I think still has validity called

"WAR - NO WAY"

With the 20:20 vision of history, it is evident that every war or conflict has been conducted for reasons other than those “sold” to the participants – the ordinary man and woman.

We as those making the sacrifices have been glorified – when in fact we were duped fools.

The “larger” aims that are revealed by history would not have motivated men and women to sacrifice their precious existence – their lives. The “causes” were manufactured, the enemy demonised and de-humanised deliberately. Because humans do not kill other humans, unless they are mentally unstable, frightened or manipulated into the belief that the enemy is non-human.

Do we believe our Leaders?

Do we have good reasons for monetary, personal and indeed ultimate sacrifice?

NO – Let all men rebel and encourage their sons and daughters to do likewise. Let us set up the ultimate War against greed and manipulation.
Profits motivate wars more than principles. Let us open our eyes to history and defend our own against so called friends as well as foes.

For a man who forgets history is doomed to repeat it!

My duty s to protect MY family, MY line and MY life!

The global world recognises us all as human – they will not recruit the baby boomer generation to sacrifice all we have worked for – or the children raised to inherit it. We see ourselves as people of the world, not limited in our thinking or with the definition of ourselves as merely a cog in our nation’s wheel, an ant in the nation’s ant hill, but part of the global community.
We are not here to be sacrificed for what you leaders consider to be greater objectives. Most of which revolve around your own desire for fame, continued power and meaningless economic objectives.

Forget it – We know who you are!

We know the so-called “enemy” to be human like us – you can’t fool us now – we see them on TV, we communicate with them on the internet. We are smart and cynical about all manipulation by advertisers and politicians. You can’t fool us!

We also know, apparently unlike you, that future wars are not going to be fought with big bangs. A computer virus can be more economically damaging than a scud missile.

A nuclear bomb does not need an ICBM when you fly commercial planes all over the world. Why stress about ICBM’s?

A bag full of nerve poison or virus placed in a dam or water system can kill off the entire population of a city. You don’t need a nuclear reactor to then build a bomb. Why bother!

The west stresses about Iraq’s “Weapons of mass destruction”. ALQIDA and Bin Aben have proved that the weapons (planes, chemicals, water supply delivery systems) are already in our midst.
Are our leaders thick, or do they just think we are?

The delivery is simply getting the operatives into place, if they are not already there.
Dress them in a business suit and fly them in on a regular flight.
Log into the internet – communicate anonymously – fast and free.

What does this tell us?

Power as previously defined is meaningless!
The more you have the more vulnerable you are..... The less you have, the less you have to lose!

The less you have the more resentful you are because the have economies are built on the poverty of the have-not ones.

An economic, moral and rational arrangement for the sharing of the bounty of the earth is essential. The “ecology” of economics is trying to create equilibrium, while the have economies are trying to hang on to the weight of over consumption and greed.
The fat child on the see-saw, needing three thin starving children on the other side to balance him.

For the individual – the “cannon fodder” of war, what matters is health, family, the pursuit of the small pleasures of the life (WHICH OUR LEADERS WOULD HAVE US HAND OVER) affords us before our inevitable demise.

If our leaders regard their lives as a worthy sacrifice to their aims, let them demonstrate the fact by exposing themselves, without a phalanx of bodyguards, to the front line.

AS IF!!!

I live! All others who live are my brothers. Those who threaten my life or my families’ lives are my enemies. If my so called leaders pose that threat, they are also my enemies!

Leaders beware the ordinary man.
This is now OUR time!
Your time is over!
Your era has passed!!!

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Mitch
November 20th, 2007

I always took Hans to be a direct, down to earth kind of guy. It's good to see he's still the same kind of guy.

The core failing of the Iraq thing is that it was a direct assault on the "rule of law". All of the invading coalition were signatory to the observance of the UN security council and, through that, became defenders of the "rule of law". These great responsible defenders accepted the rule of law, and then chose to destroy it with lies. This was a grave setback for civilisation. We now have anarchy and a very large wound to heal.

Not everyone subscribes to the "rule of law", and neither should they. But then, it is not true that anarchy has the exclusive domian of lies, nor is it true that law is the sole posessor of thruth.

For myself, I have no real preference between law and anarchy, but I do have a desire for truth. The math of chaos has proven that truth is probably unknowable (you can have the formula but you will never have the answer) but the quest for truth is all that keeps life from drowning in the misery and damage that are the inevitable outcome of lies.

We might not know the truth, but we can certainly discern who some the liars are. To tolerate them is to ask for destruction.

Hans Blix has not been proven a liar - even with some healthy skepticism, an uncertain truth is infinitely better than a known lie.

It all comes down to what "kind of guy" you allow yourself to be.

Good on you Hans.

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Gilly
November 20th, 2007

Hans Blix is a man of high integrity and I agree with all that he says. This war was never about weapons of mass destruction......it's all about supplying oil to upper middle class America so that Bush can fulfill his promise of keeping and maintaining the rich at the standard of living that they are accustomed to. Bush & John Howard belong to an old paradigm where authority & bullying rule, where the "we are bigger & smarter & more powerful" approach still is part of a decadent, outmoded belief system. The history, culture & beauty of Iraq has been destroyed by greed, power & total lack of compassion.
The people of Iraq have lost their soul & spirit, not to mention their material possessions....their pysche has been forever shifted, especially the children, who witness daily violence and live in fear. It's an outrage & everyone can do something at "grass roots" level.

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Bill Longo
November 20th, 2007

Thank you Hans,
I've admired you a long time and still do. Sorry the necessary people didn't listen to the inspectors' truth. Wealth and power certainly have a detrimental effect on one's ethics, don't they.
Keep talking, Hans, it may do a little good, but it won't do any harm.

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Paul
November 20th, 2007

I totally agree there Hans. I am deeply saddened by the number of fellow Australians, who think that it is ok to go and invade a country based on a lie (just unbelievable). Anyway, great to read a report from someone who was actually publicly against such a thing.

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smo
November 20th, 2007

Aggression and greed (fuelled by fear and the lack of a symbiotically constructive philosophy) are old mainstays with the silly human race. But, so is natural selection, well, that is to say, with all of nature. For those that care about stretching out the time we can enjoy living on a comfortable planet for humans (as well as whats left of the other species), our only hope is to vote out the short sighted buggers that keep stuffing everything up.
We need to distrust any policy that is'nt founded on an ethical respect for the planet as a whole and productive devices that have a nurturing relationship with it. This includes religion. Having said that, natural selection will let us all know in due time whether or not we have a future on the only planet for as far as we can possibly imagine that has the correct oxygen/UV/radiation mix to support life.

peace

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Peace & Love, Reg Bromwich
November 21st, 2007


PLEASE READ THIS
Come on everyone, come together. Stand tall and be proud again that you are Australians. Lets show the world that we are sorry that we have blindly followed the United States; and that we made a big mistake.
It's never to late.
Let's stop our greed. Imagine what we could do if we get together and make the politicians listen to us. Use your voice, ask the Prime Minister to bring our troops home.
Spend the money on Peace. Let's live for Peace.
Thank you Hans Blix for your efforts.

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Craig Perritt
November 21st, 2007

Hans,
your comments were succinct and logical, something hard to find in any of those with power to change the situation.
It reinforces my desire to apply pressure for withdrawal.
thanks
Craig

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genevieve
November 21st, 2007

Your comment the world needs more people like Hans Blix who are not afraid to do what they believe is right rather than what is popular. He was a beacon for reason during the whole Iraq debacle and I thank him for that. However, I wish he would call the situation in Iraq an INVASION which it really was instead of a war which it NEVER was.

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Paul
November 21st, 2007

I find it bizarre that Kevin Rudd has hand picked Colonel Mike Kelly as the Labor candidate for Eden-Monaro. Kelly disgraced himself,the Army and Australia in 2003 by his attack on Premier Bob Carr for presiding over the award of the Sydney Peace Prize to Dr.Hanan Ashrawi.Now we learn of Kelly's 2005 'legal' opinion attacking the world court's decision on Israel's Apartheid Wall,and Labor has adopted it,on the quiet of course.Google Mike Kelly Palestine for more.The Greens,aware of these things, preferenced him.

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Phil
November 21st, 2007

Thankyou Hans for a clear and logical summary of the situation. When I think of the lives lost in this mess I get heartsick - when I think of the money wasted I get angry. The US has approved more than $400 Billion for this war to date. Do you know that just $10 Billion would provide clean drinking water for every person on the planet? Let's make peace and withdrawal a prioity and focus our energy on some real problems.

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david
November 21st, 2007

Hans I agree totally with what you say & I applaud all the work you have done for the UN. You worked so hard to establish whether or not Iraq had WMD's (what ever they were meant to be) I assumed WMD to mean biological weapon warheads on accurate missiles. The evidence collected clearly indicated their non-existence & it was certain that no functional systems were in Iraq. Once the "Coalition of the Willing" had this info & only then did they dare invade. It was clear that they knew no weapons existed because prior to the invasion their troops & supplies were closely massed on the southern Iraq border. Such is the power of modern mass media too confuse & bewilder the punter masses that our real leaders do not even need to be super clever in their deceptions.

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Gregory Olsen
November 22nd, 2007

Good on you, Hans!! Your stand against such wanton, misguided and self-interested actions by the the 'democracies' of USA, UK and Australia is to commended and amplified by ALL decent peace loving people.

Let's get the troops out of Iraq NOW!!

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Vincent O\'Hara
November 22nd, 2007

The prime minister had no right whatever to invade Iraq, even though he wants to support the USA. But the USA had no right to invade anyway. It did so to suit US aims only. Australia must withdraw ASAP. War solves nothing, never did, never will.

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Globalsov
November 23rd, 2007

Do the people on this forum do independent research, or do they simply rehash opinions from the globalist controlled media that spouts rubbish for it’s own agenda? I can see some researchers here, but everyone else needs to dig deep into the hidden truth. The core issues run deeper as some have shown. My little summary is below. It should allow you to look into each of these areas to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Some things to consider in all the responses below.
* Isn’t the UN a globalist defacto government organisation that wants to usurp people’s (not person’s) rights? (It was partially funded by Rockefellers-what has a private family to gain?)
* Which state (notice it’s not called a country) in the middle east actually has (many) nuclear weapons? It’s the only one. And if they already have nukes, what makes them more responsible than any other country (not state) in ME?
* Is depleted uranium a weapon of mass deception…errr I mean destruction? What is being used in Iraq now? And what is the long term damage to births, people and even globally? (Uranium has shown up in UK from atmospheric transport. Are we lucky to be so far away?)
* What was the trigger for the invasion? Was 9-11 a globalist ploy? If not we would be able to see evidence of a plane at the pentagon and find out why WTC7 was demolished (as well as the twin towers). http://wtc7.net
* Wars need to be gazetted by the Gov-Gen. (according to constitution and statutes). Was Australia attacked or did Australia invade?
* Do you think the government would listen to the people if it is in fact a Corporation and is only answerable to it’s owners and shareholders?
* What was the outcome of APEC? Except for the fact a usurping dictator rolled onto our land, disrupted businesses to the tune of 100’s of millions and cost the country time and energy.
* When you protect your own country, don’t you need troops here? Why are they overseas? Invading a country has other hidden agendas. What are they?
* Who benefits from rebuilding Iraq, after being destroyed? Could it possibly be companies like Halliburton and Carlyle Group? I wonder who controls them?
* Similarly, who benefited from the destruction of WTC? Who got a big insurance cheque?
* Look up into the sky regularly and ask yourself if the chemtrails (as opposed to contrails-see carnicom.com) you see are not your own government (or who?) poisoning you with weapons of mass deception.
* Labour=Liberal=Greens=Democrats=Republicans. All wolves in wolf skins creating global democracy. Definition: democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.

Kudos to below contributions from Ian G, Andrew Perry, James, Mountain Spirit, Frank Legge, and my related comments below:
* Isn’t the RBA part of a private banking cabal headed by IMF, BIS and global Federal Reserves?
* Don’t they create money from nothing with no backing of any substance but simply credit loans?
* Look at the immediacy of the link to OBL in media reports. How is that not planned?
* Spot the difference: 9-11- hey AlQuida attacked us, they are from Afghanistan, so let’s invade Iraq!. Pearl harbour: Gee the Japanese are attacking us, let’s bomb Germany!

Globalsov- globalsov@gmail.com (globalsov at gmail)

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Dyana
November 23rd, 2007

Thank you Blix.! for your suggestion to "soak up as much advice from different sources as possible". Disinformation seems to be what we are fed by the mainstream media on a daily basis. I have found that having access to the BBC World Service and Al-Jazeera on the internet gives me some perspectives that balance an otherwise biased coverage of the Middle East.

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Ben Leeman
November 24th, 2007

The USA led invasion and occupation of Iraq, supported by the UK, Australia and other nations are responsible for the death of more than a million of Iraqi citizen. The infra structure of the country is destroyed and several million Iraqis have become refugees in neighboring countries. It will take decades to restore the country to its former standard.
We, as Australians, are complicit in aiding and abetting this crime. The USA is building its biggest 'embassy' in Iraq. Kevin Rudd indicated he will withdraw Australian Combat Troops but not the 1200 Australian troops 'guarding the embassy.
What are we archiving in Iraq (and in Afghanistan)?
And when are we bringing our troops home?
How many more innocent people must die to secure our 'friendship' with the USA?
Is the war in Iraq really promoting security for Israel?
Is the increasingly anti-American sentiment throughout the world good for Australia?

How long will it be before we begin to realise that war only increases conflict and terror.

I hope that the new Australian government will end our involvement forthwith.

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Sally
November 26th, 2007

Well done Get-up - your efforts & hard work are admirable
keep up the good work-i'm proud to be a supporter

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an old woman
November 26th, 2007

Now that my choice of government is governing I'd like to draw attention to difficult issues that affect smaller portions of our society such as euthanasia.

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TeddyC
November 26th, 2007

Brett you are magnificent!

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joel K
November 27th, 2007

Hans, I have an immense respect for people such as yourself, who care about the future of this world we all live in and are willing and determined enough to act positively and morally in attempting to ensure that Earth's distant future is as free from conflict, corruption, prejudice and negligence as so many of today's politicians and businesspeople are free of any sort of human morality and care for their fellow homo sapiens.

The trouble is, there are too many people in this world who are too unconcerned, or too unaware, to stand up against the wrongs of those who abuse their positions of power.

But with new generations comes new hope and, for an 18-yr-old like me, the world is ours to shape.

I just hope that more and more of the youth of the Western World will gradually become educated about our planet's predicaments and have the desire and strength to DO SOMETHING about them. It is far from too late.

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Jules
November 28th, 2007

Andrew Perry: "We have been completely duped, ripped off"
Maybe we are experiencing a realisation. I had the thought the other day that the Howard Government could well have been one of those "democratic" US backed governments, you know the ones that are set up in countries that have something of value to the US. We have uranium and we have space for uranium waste dumps.
How do we actually know that the ballot box dictates what eventuates. Everyone has their price and this includes scrutineers and other officials who collect ballot boxes for delivery to central depots for counting.
I am so cynical these days that I even mark my ballot papers with a ball pen .... why do polling booths always supply pencils?

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Ross Naidoo
November 30th, 2007

Possibly you could sign my petiiton to save help multiculturalism and harmonious integration in Australia? We talk about peaceful approaches well that is what BEMAC has being doing for 20 years.
Dear Friends,
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Please take a moment to read about this important issue, and join me in signing the petition. It takes just 30 seconds, but can truly make a difference. We are trying to reach 3,000 signatures - please sign here:

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Once you have signed, you can help even more by asking your friends and
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Thank you!

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Thank you again for making a difference!

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Garry Lockwood
December 5th, 2007

Er well, we now know that the US has discovered some 500 chemical munitions in Iraq. So to say there were none is gravely overstating the case against the invasion. And even if Hans only believes in one success story, the removal of Saddam Hussein, I have to ask: wasn't that long overdue? We are talking here about a man who launched two invasions, costing over a million deaths, used chemical weapons on his own countrymen and fired the Kuwaiti oil wells, creating an evironmental disaster. So I'm glad we got rid of the son-of-a-bitch.

Cheers, Garry.

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don carr
December 6th, 2007

As a seventy year old I have, obviously, seen more of life, death and wars than most of you.
Having read a few of your ' independent " blogs and viewpoints it appears to me that this is yet another left wing organistation for those who do not wish to face reality and prefer to pretend that it does not exist.
As a child in World War Two, England, I nearly died from sunstroke. As a young adult, I swept snow from my doorstep in northern hemisphere June, summertime. The scientists told us to prepare for the Ice Age.
Of course the Chinese and the Indians, most of whom have never heard of Australia, will take great note of Australia signing the Kyoto pact!
Savages, who practice savage religions and stone women to death because of a sense of hurt to male pride, are those with whom you can negotiate.
Australia should remove a couple of hundred troops from Iraq and leave the poor natives at the mercy of terrorists because we should never have gone there in the first place [ symbolically, of course, because their presence is completely irrelevant to the situation ].
I bet you really do believe that recycling is useful and that it does not waste precious water, energy and ratepayers money?
Grow up, get your own brain. Be a man or a woman.

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gravity
December 7th, 2007

Facing reality is the essence of all these debates as Don Carr says. Being somewhat older than him I too am clear we must guard against people with agendas.

The first reality we need to face is the fact that both wars were started on false pretences. They were started by people with an agenda. They wanted to invade to dominate the oil producing regions. Do a Google search on PNAC if you doubt this.

How did they persuade the public to support the invasions? To answer this question look into how the Twin Towers were brought down. The evidence is clear that explosives were used. How could bin Laden have arranged this complex event? If you doubt that explosives were used visit the Journal of 9/11 Studies for peer reviewed papers.

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carolyn burton
December 13th, 2007

December 12, 2007

Dear carolyn,

Please write and phone your government and urge them to:


stop UN support for the occupation of Iraq, and
demand that any extension of the UN mandate for the "multinational force" be contingent on ratification by the Iraqi Parliament and establishment of a timetable for troop withdrawal.
TAKE ACTION!!

The United Nations Security Council is considering re-authorization of the U.S.-led occupation force in Iraq. The Iraqi cabinet, led by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, has sent a letter to the Council requesting extension of the mandate of this so-called "multinational force." The U.S. government is drafting a Council resolution, and the vote will come up in a matter of days.

But the Iraqi constitution clearly calls for ratification by the parliament of any such international agreement. And the parliament is demanding a voice.

Last April, 144 members, a majority of Iraq's parliament, signed a letter calling for a timetable for withdrawal of occupation forces. And the same letter denounced as "unconstitutional" a move by the al-Maliki cabinet to unilaterally request a mandate renewal without consulting the parliament. As the current mandate comes closer to expiring, it appears that al-Maliki, under pressure from the U.S., is about to repeat the same unconstitutional and illegal process.

In May, by majority vote, the Iraqi Parliament passed a law reaffirming the Constitution's requirements - that the cabinet must get two-thirds majority approval from parliament for any force renewal request to the Security Council.

An overwhelming majority of Iraqis want a complete withdrawal of all the occupation forces, as numerous polls have shown.

While the Bush administration insists that it wants to "build democracy," it is ignoring the Iraqi people and their elected representatives. Washington wants to renew the UN mandate without approval of the Iraqi parliament -- another illegal step to justify and prolong the U.S.-led occupation.

TELL YOUR GOVERNMENT TO STOP UN SUPPORT FOR OCCUPATION! ANY EXTENSION OF THE UN MANDATE MUST BE RATIFIED BY THE IRAQI PARLIAMENT AND INCLUDE A TIMETABLE FOR TROOP WITHDRAWAL.

People worldwide should take action. Nations sitting on the UN Security Council are particularly important: United States, United Kingdom, Russia, China, France, Belgium, Congo, Ghana, Indonesia, Italy, Panama, Peru, Qatar, Slovakia, South Africa

For background. see: http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/mnfindex.htm

TAKE ACTION! Please write and phone your government and urge them to reject the unconstitutional request of the Al-Maliki government to the Security Council. See sample letter here

Please send us a copy of your letter by fax to 202-403-3722; or email to gael@codepinkalert.org for posting on our website. Visits have been arranged to UN missions in New York and Embassies in Washington, DC carrying our message.

Supporters include:
Jim Paul, Global Policy Forum

Gael Murphy, CODEPINK

Raed Jarrar, Iraqi Project

Medea Benjamin, Global Exchange

Leslie Cagan, United for Peace and Justice

Phyllis Bennis, Institute for Policy Studies

Emira Woods, Foreign Policy in Focus

Herbert Docena, Focus on the Global South

Anna Polo, Europe for Peace

Alice Slater, Nuclear Age Peace Foundation, NY

Alfred Marder, International Association of Peace Messengers

Bruce Gagnon, Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space

Anna Goodhun, Fairbanks Coalition for Peace and Justice

Stacey Fritz, No Nukes North

John Burroughs, Lawyers Committee on Nuclear Policy

Jacqueline Cabasso, Western States Legal Foundation

Kathy Wan Povi Sanchez, Tewa Women United

John Hallan, People for Nuclear Disarmament NSW Nuclear Flashpoints Project, Australia

Jean Stokan, Policy Director, Pax Christi USA - Washington, D.C.

Paul Saoke, Physicians for Social Responsibility, Kenya

Jean-Marie Matagne, Action des Citoyens pour le Désarmement Nucléaire (ACDN), France

Dr Sue Wareham OAM, President, Medical Association for Prevention of War, Australia

Lois Barber, Earth Action

Lisa Clark, Beati i costruttori di pace / Blessed Are the Peacemakers, Italy

Kate Hudson, Chair, Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, UK

Dr. Kathleen Sullivan, Educational Consultant, UN Office for Disarmament Affairs, NY

David Swanson, AfterDowningStreet.org

Steve Staples, Global Secretary, Abolition 2000

Pierre Villard, Mouvement de la Paix (France)

Richard Salvador, Abolition 2000, Pacific

Pamela Meidell, Atomic Mirror

Achin Vanaik, Coalition for Nuclear Disarmament and Peace (India)

Gretel Munroe, Grassroots Actions for Peace

David Krieger, Nuclear Age Peace Foundation

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c burton
January 17th, 2008

The decision to transform the U.S. nuclear complex must reflect the will of the American people, 79% of whom want the U.S. to do more to eliminate nuclear weapons. Simply put, the Department of Energy should be putting their resources into nuclear cleanup and "green" energy research, not expanding their weapons program.

It is particularly disturbing that, in the face of Congress' recent rejection of the Reliable Replacement Warhead program, the SPEIS still refers to a goal of creating 120-125 new warheads every year. These new warheads are not only unwanted, they are also unnecessary. The current U.S. nuclear stockpile will remain reliable for at least another 70 years. The u.s.a. maintains nuclear weaponry to the "Weapons Of Mass Destruction" amounts equalling enough to blow Our Planet out of It's Solar System.
Enough "Weapons Of Mass Destruction" to reduce Planet Earth to "Space Debris".

There is no reason to rush into a costly new program to build unnecessary and unwanted nuclear weapons – especially before congressional and administration mandated nuclear policy reviews are completed. With so many unresolved issues around nuclear waste, storage, employee safety and compensation and popular will for reducing nuclear weapons it doesn't make sense for U.S. taxpayers to invest in a new generation of nuclear weapons facilities.
I am an Australian citizen. I am disgusted, that in the year 2008, in the third milleniam after The Christ, the united states administration cannot cause it's country to utilise it's Vast power and wealth,through Peaceful and Diplomatic means, to extend inclusion, viability and sustainability, without loss of self-determination or credibility, to Every Person, Creed and National State Upon Our Planet.
By continual, repetitious war and aggression, and clandestine aggravation the u.s.a. invents, propagates, and perpetuates it's own worst fears and enemies.
Without a change of political behaviour
the Human Species, collectively, does not have a chance for survival.
So I say to All Governments-: Grow up Boys. Smell the roses,(those that are left in our Corrupted and Polluted Garden).Overcome Your Penis Envy and develop some "governmental leadership"
based in Truth and Ethical Justice for every life form struggling for continuity upon Mother Earth.

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Joe Hamilton - USA
January 24th, 2008

Freeze All Bush Families' Assets NOW

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Carolyn burton
February 3rd, 2008

Australia's alliance with Evil.


NATO genocide in Afghanistan.


The graves of 9 Afghan children killed by a U.S. strike outside the village of Hutala in Dec. 2003.
The internationally recognized crime of genocide applies to the killings that NATO troops commit in Afghanistan.


By Ali Khan

Sloganeers, propagandists and politicians often use the word "genocide" in ways that the law does not permit. But rarely is the crime of genocide invoked when Western militaries murder Muslim groups.

This essay argues that the internationally recognized crime of genocide applies to the intentional killings that NATO troops commit on a weekly basis in the poor villages and mute mountains of Afghanistan to destroy the Taliban. NATO combat troops bombard and kill people in Taliban enclaves and meeting places. They also murder defenseless Afghan civilians. The dehumanized label of "Taliban" is used to cloak the nameless victims of NATO operations. Some political opposition to this practice is building in NATO countries, such as Canada, where calls are heard to withdraw troops from Afghanistan or divert them to non-combat tasks.

Dehumanization
In almost all NATO nations, the Taliban have been completely dehumanized — a historically-tested signal that perpetrators of the crime of genocide carry unmitigated intentions to eradicate the dehumanized group. Politicians, the armed forces, the media, and even the general public associate in the West the Taliban with irrational fanatics, intolerant fundamentalists, brutal assassins, beheaders of women, bearded extremists, and terrorists. This luminescent negativity paves the way for aggression, military operations, and genocide. Promoting the predatory doctrine of collective self-defense, killing the Taliban is celebrated as a legal virtue. To leave the Taliban in control of Afghanistan, says NATO, is to leave a haven for terrorism.

A similar dehumanization took place in the 16th and 17th centuries when NATO precursors occupied the Americas to purloin land and resources. The killings of native inhabitants were extensive and heartless. Thomas Jefferson, the noble author of the Declaration of Independence, labeled Indians as "merciless savages." President Andrew Jackson pontificated: "What good man would prefer a country covered with forests and ranged by a few thousand savages to our extensive Republic, studded with cities, towns, and prosperous farms." Promoting the predatory doctrine of discovery, the United States Supreme Court later ratified the pilgrims' crimes, holding that "discovery gave an exclusive right to extinguish the Indian title (to land). ([T]he Indians were fierce savages...To leave them in possession of their country was to leave the country a wilderness."

The predators have not changed their stripes a bit. They come, they demonize, they obliterate. They do all this in the name of superior civilization.

The facts
The NATO website lists its killings in Afghanistan. These killings are also reported in the world media, often with a shameless tone of gratitude as if NATO forces are engaged in wiping out cannibals. In 2007 alone, NATO helicopters and precision guided munitions bombed and killed over six thousand "Taliban." Read the following recent attacks, which the NATO itself reports, and smell the scent of genocide:

• On January 19, 2008, NATO launched a preemptive strike relying on "credible intelligence" that the Taliban were planning to mass on a NATO base. The attack killed two dozen "insurgents" in the Watapoor District of Kunar Province, though the exact number of casualties could not be confirmed because of the rough mountainous region. The world media reported that numerous civilians were killed and 25 bodies were buried in just one mass grave.

• On January 12, 2008, NATO forces conducted what it calls a "precise strike" on a compound in Kapsia Province targeting Taliban leaders. NATO claimed that the civilians were cleared from the compound before the attack. The claim is absurd because any removal of civilians from the compound would have alerted the battle-hardened Taliban that an enemy attack was imminent.

• On September 20, 2007, NATO forces launched "Operation Palk Wahel" to kill and remove the Taliban from an area in the Upper Gereshk Valley. Numerous civilians were killed. The evidence of the genocide was so obvious that NATO admitted that it "was unaware of civilians in the vicinity of the target and unfortunately it appears that a number of non-combatants were caught in the attack and killed."

The law
The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (entered into force, 1951) is binding on all states including the 26 member states of NATO. The Genocide Convention is jus cogens, the law from which no derogation is allowed. It provides no exceptions for any nation or any organization of nations, such as the United Nations or NATO, to commit genocide. Nor does the Convention allow any exceptions to genocide "whether committed in time of peace or in time of war." Even traditional self-defense - let alone preemptive self-defense, a deceptive name for aggression – cannot be invoked to justify or excuse the crime of genocide.

In murdering the Taliban, NATO armed forces systematically practice on a continual basis the crime of genocide that consists of three constituent elements - act, intent to destroy, and religious group. The crime, as defined in the Convention, is analyzed below:

1. Act. The Convention lists five acts, each of which qualifies as genocide. NATO forces in Afghanistan are committing three of the five acts. They are killing members of the Taliban. They are causing serious bodily harm to members of the Taliban. They are deliberately inflicting on the Taliban conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction in whole or in part. Any of these three acts committed one time constitutes the crime of genocide. NATO combat troops have been committing, and continue to commit, these acts through multiple means and weapons.

2. Intent to Destroy. The crime of genocide is a crime of intent. It must be shown that NATO combat troops and the high command ordering these troops carry the requisite intent to destroy the Taliban. Mere negligent killings do not qualify as genocide. The statements of NATO's Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer and those of NATO spokesmen leave no doubt that the NATO conducts military operations to "hunt and destroy" the Taliban. Preemptive strikes to kill the Taliban are sufficient proof that NATO troops and commanding generals have specific intent to destroy as many Taliban members as they can find. The weekly murderous planning and intelligence gathering to locate and eliminate the Taliban leaders and members further demonstrate that the killings in Afghanistan are not negligent, accidental, or by mistake. For all legal purposes, NATO's incessant and deliberate killings of the Taliban are powered with the specific intent to destroy a group.

3. Religious Group. The Genocide Convention is far from universal in that it does not protect all groups from genocide. Its protection covers only four groups: national, ethnic, racial and religious. (Political groups are not protected). The Convention does not require the complete eradication of a protected group as a necessary condition for the crime of genocide. Even part destruction of a protected group constitutes the crime. It is no secret that the Taliban are a religious group. (They may also qualify as a national (Afghan) or ethnic (Pushtun) group).The Convention does not demand that the protected group advocate and practice a form of religion acceptable to the West or the world. The questionable beliefs and practices of a religious group are no reasons to destroy the group. That the Taliban are armed or support terrorism or oppress women are unlawful excuses to commit genocide. (All reasons that Hitler had to murder Jews would be simply irrelevant under the Convention).

The holding
It may, therefore, be safely concluded that NATO combat troops and NATO commanders are engaged in murdering the Taliban, a protected group under the Genocide Convention, with the specific intent to physically and mentally destroy the group in whole or in part.

This is the crime of genocide.

-- Ali Khan is a professor at Washburn University School of Law in Kansas. This essay is previously published in JURIST.


Source: Middle East Online

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Ez
March 19th, 2008

I wish i had the optimism of all the people who disagree with the war that if we did nothing and put our heads down it would all go away.

1. Iran is now in posession of weapons grade Uranium, more than likely funneled from Iraq to Sudan and back across to Iran just before the war, the weapons inspecions were a joke, im sure many of you remember in the late 1990's how Saddam would put off the inspections then detain the inspectors then much later let them through (when he had cleared the areas) this was a common occurance and it was wrong that more force was not taken when this happened (during Bill Clinton's term) and showed Kofi Annans inability to properly lead the UN and Bill Clintons fear of Global Problems.

2. Saddam Hussien should have been stopped during Bill Clintons term as president, or better still, George Bush Snr term. Saddam was a tyrant who executed on average 5000 people per month for minor crimes like not earning enough money to pay taxes and no being able to live anywhere but the streets, then there was just the fun of gassing an entire town of 5000 odd people. Many will also say it is Americas fault Saddam is there, and yes they did support him, but now they have done the right thing and eradicated has evil. He had to go.

3. The Taliban in Afganistan were no better, people think Afganistan is a failed war to stop Osama BinLaden, it too was a liberation of a severely opressed people. Like when the Taliban built a new Soccer Pitch to bring the communities together, then proceeded to use the goal posts to hang people, for very similar crimes to those in Iraq.

War is terrible, but sometimes nescescary, because evil can spring up over night, but it certainly takes a lot longer to wipe out. We have a minor prescence in Iraq and it is impeccable that we stay the course to show Australia is comitted to supporting the new Iraq Government and helping them lead the way to a new Iraq, a free Iraq, an Internationally welcome Iraq!

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Ez
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P.S.

I think MR Andrew Perry should look further into the borrowings and transactions of the Australian Government, im not sure on his comments for overseas Financial situations but the Australian National Debt is not 1 Trillion dollars and has been sufficiently reduced during the Howard Government term to virtually nothing from an estimated 85 Billion when they took office, as i said your International figures might be right but the Australian figures are completely wrong sorry.

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March 27th, 2008

"I cannot see any success in this intervention except in getting rid of Saddam Hussein, who was a terrible dictator and a murderer"

Is that not reason enough?

Read this article:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.asp