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Your guide to voting


Posted by The GetUp Team, November 18th, 2007
Elections remind us to celebrate democracy, where we, the people, are in charge. But they also remind us that it's tough to be an effective boss when you don't fully understand the system at work.

So we're not going to tell you who to vote for, but we are going to explain the system itself. No party lines. No hidden agendas.

You have lots of questions, so this is a long blog, and we've divided it into three main sections – general questions about the electoral system, questions about the lower House, and questions about the Senate.

If we still haven't answered your burning questions, post them as comments, and we'll try to respond to them!

Happy voting,
The GetUp team

Table of contents:

I. GENERAL

  • How does voting for federal members actually translate into putting parties and Prime Ministers into power?

  • So what's the Senate do if it doesn't get to choose the PM? And how does my Senate vote affect who calls the shots?

  • What about minor parties, independents and preferences? How does that all work?

  • I don't have time to look through all the Senate preference flows and see whose matches mine. Can't you give me some tips?

  • I'm going to be overseas/away from home on Polling Day. How do I vote?

  • II. THE LOWER HOUSE

  • Do I have to follow a party's how-to-vote card for my vote to count?

  • I know who I prefer from the big parties like Labor, the Libs, and the Greens – but how can I decide what order to preference the other parties and independents?

  • If I really don't like a couple of parties or candidate, do I have to put them down at all? Can't I just not vote for them full stop?

  • II. THE SENATE

  • Why are there so many more candidates on my Senate ballot paper than on my lower House ballot paper?

  • So what happens to my preferences in the Senate?

  • How does below-the-line voting work?

  • What if I want to vote below the line but I'm afraid I'll stuff up because there are so many boxes?

  • What does "balance of power" mean?

  • You keep telling us that we need to ‘Save our Senate' – but how do I actually vote to do that?

  • Isn't there a possibility that Labor could win control of the Senate too, and we'd be in the same situation again with one party controlling both Houses?


  • I. GENERAL


    How does voting in my local electorate actually translate into putting parties and Prime Ministers into power? << back to contents

    When it comes to determining who gets the top job of PM, it's all about the Lower House (the House of Representatives).

    And the Lower House is remarkably straightforward: 150 seats up for grabs. Each one represents an electorate of around 100,000 people. Each one elects a Member to serve a three-year term (unless, we're reminded, they choose to retire).

    The electoral boundaries are determined independently, which generally keeps the process pretty fair.

    Once the ballots are in, the party that wins or controls the majority of seats in the Lower House forms the Government, and chooses one of their own members to be the Prime Minister.

    To win, a party needs to win or control 76 seats (half the seats plus one). In the case of the Liberals at the last election, they only won 74 seats, but formed the Government due to their coalition with the Nationals, who won 12 seats.


    So what's the Senate do if it doesn't get to choose the PM? And how does my Senate vote affect who calls the shots? << back to contents

    Broadly speaking, the Senate is there to keep the Government accountable and make legislation better. It does this through inquiries and committees, looking into legislation and proposing amendments, and ultimately deciding whether legislation gets to pass or not.

    Think of the PM and the Ministers as the senior management of a company then the Senate operates like the Board of Directors - that is, the Senate doesn’t make the day to day decisions about how things are run, but it plays an important role in terms of accountability and helping to set the major direction.

    The Senate is known as the house of review because no Prime Minister or Government can pass legislation without the Senate's reviewing and approving it.

    Winning or losing seats in the Senate does not affect who becomes Prime Minister – but it does affect whether that Prime Minister has to work across party lines to get things done, and with whom.

    So think of it this way – there are actually two votes on Election Day:
  • One to determine who will be the next Prime Minister (determined by your vote in the House of Reps); and
  • One to determine who will keep an eye on the next Prime Minister (determined by your vote in the Senate).

  • The Senate has been designed to make it harder for the two big parties to dominate. When John Howard's Coalition also won a majority in the Senate after the last election, it was the first time in 26 years one Prime Minister could wield so much power. (Click here to read more about GetUp's take on how the Coalition has used that Senate majority.)


    What about minor parties, independents and preferences? How does that all work? << back to contents

    Don't worry that voting a minor party or independent either the Senate or the House will be a wasted vote. Thanks to a complicated, but ultimately useful feature of our Australian system that promotes ‘preferences', you can ensure that if your first choice doesn't get in, your vote still counts towards your next preferred candidate.

    Preferences mean that in Australia, likeminded candidates don't end up splitting their supporter base, as in the US where "spoiler" candidates can be a big problem. During the 2000 Presidential elections, for example, Al Gore supporters argued that a vote for Greens candidate Ralph Nader was effectively a vote for George W. Bush – and in battleground states like Florida, it seems they were right.

    In our national elections, preferences are compulsory. So on the House of Representatives green ballot paper you must number every square. On the Senate white ballot paper you can place a "1" in the square above the line for the party of your choice and they will distribute preferences on your behalf, or you must number every last box below the line.

    There are real differences between preferential voting in the House and the Senate, which we get into in more detail below, but the core concept of preferential voting is constant. The only time that there's a problem in voting for the party you actually prefer is when you're voting above the line in the Senate - because the party you vote for distributes your preference flows for you when you vote above the line, it's VERY IMPORTANT to carefully check that they send your preferences the way you would want them to. You can see where the parties are sending your preferences on the AEC's website here.

    For a more detailed explanation of how preference flows work, check out election expert Antony Green's explanation, or go straight to the horse's mouth at the AEC website.

    I don't have time to look through all the Senate preference flows and see whose matches mine. Can't you give me some tips? << back to contents

    Check out our separate blog on this very topic - with some very surprising findings!

    I'm going to be overseas/away from home on Polling Day. How do I vote? << back to contents

    The Australian Electoral Commission's homepage, at http://aec.gov.au, has all the information you need. You'll want to get organised early though, especially if you need to lodge a postal vote.


    II. THE LOWER HOUSE


    Do I have to follow a party's how-to-vote card for my vote to count? << back to contents

    You can choose your own preference order and do not have to follow any particular ‘how to vote' card or vote the way the parties tell you. Just make sure you NUMBER EVERY SINGLE box. If you tick or put a X in your box, or if you leave any box empty, your vote becomes invalid. If you make a mistake, don't try to erase or scribble over the number you wrote originally – instead, ask for a new voting card.


    I know who I prefer from the big parties like Labor, the Libs, and the Greens – but how can I decide what order to preference the other parties and independents?

    Funny you should ask! Check out our new website www.howshouldivote.com.au - it's a fun, easy, and quick way to see where all of the lower house candidates in your electorate stand on the issues!


    If I really don't like a couple of parties or candidate, do I have to put them down at all? Can't I just not vote for them full stop? << back to contents

    NO! Your vote will not count at all if you don't number all the boxes!

    You won't be punishing them, you will punishing the parties you actually do support because your vote will be ruled invalid and not counted. Practically, as long as you put the party or parties you really don't really like right down at the bottom end of the ballot paper you will not be supporting them.


    III. THE SENATE


    Why are there so many more candidates on my Senate ballot paper than on my House ballot paper? << back to contents

    In the lower house, all the candidates want to represent a small local area, but in the Senate, candidates are elected to represent the whole state. That's because voting in the lower House is by what are known as "single-member districts" – meaning that you get represented in the House by exactly one MP at a time, the one who comes from your electorate. There are 150 electorates in the country, so there are 150 MPs.

    Australia's 76 Senators, on the other hand, are elected by proportional representation by an entire state/territory. Each state has 12 Senators, who serve 6-year terms, and each territory has 2, who serve 3-year terms. In a normal election like this year (as opposed to the rare double-dissolution election), 6 of the 12 Senators in each state are up for re-election along with all territory Senators.

    Because Senate elections are statewide, you are represented in the Senate by every single Senator from your state or territory – and your vote plays a role in electing all of them. So the reason there are more people on your ballot paper for the Senate is because they're representing a larger area and vying for a larger number of seats.


    So what happens to my preferences in the Senate? << back to contents

    There are two ways you can vote in the Senate. You can vote "above-the-line" by putting a 1 in the box that corresponds to the party of your choice. If you do this, the party will allocate your preferences for you. They do this according to a formula they have nominated with the electoral commission.

    It is VERY IMPORTANT that you make sure that the party you are voting for will pass your preferences on to other parties or candidates that you support. Sometimes parties that you might generally support might end up, through their preferences, actually using your vote to elect someone that you oppose.

    You can see full details on where the parties are sending your preferences on the AEC's website here - or you can check out our summary here.



    How does below-the-line voting work? << back to contents

    If you want to allocate your own preferences, you can also choose to vote below the line in the Senate. Below-the-line voting in the Senate works the same way as regular voting in the House - to vote below the line, you must number EVERY box from number one until you run out of boxes (and there will be a lot!). In fact, it used to be that everyone had to vote below the line in the Senate. They introduced above-the-line voting as an alternative because there were so many candidates that voters found it really difficult to number all of the boxes without making a mistake.


    What if I want to vote below the line but I'm afraid I'll stuff up because there are so many boxes? << back to contents

    Take extra care if you want to vote below the line as there are lots of boxes that need numbering and it is easy to stuff up. When you have finished check the numbering very carefully and if you have made a mistake just see the polling booth officials and get a new voting card - no worries!


    What does "balance of power" mean? << back to contents

    Usually, no one party has a majority in the Senate – so there's what is often called a "balance of power" arrangement. Until two years ago, when the Coalition gained an absolute majority in the Senate, the last time any party had a majority was over a quarter-century ago. That means that the Prime Minister's party generally can't pass legislation without some other party agreeing that it's a good idea. So, the PM usually has to have someone else "check his homework", so to speak, before he turns it in to the Australian people for a final grade!

    For a new law to be made, it has to be supported by at least 39 of the 76 Senators. If one major party has 36 senators, the other major party has 37 senators and a minor party has 3 senators then the minor party is said to have ‘balance of power’ because when the two big parties disagree the small party can settle the dispute either way. However, it is important to realise that a small party can't stop any law if the two big parties agree - and similarly, a small party can't make any law unless at least one of the big parties agrees.


    You keep telling us that we need to ‘Save our Senate' – but how do I actually vote to do that? << back to contents

    [NOTE: THIS IS THE ONLY ANSWER ON THIS BLOG THAT IS MEANT TO ADVOCATE A POSITION, INSTEAD OF SERVING AS IMPARTIAL, INDEPENDENT ADVICE ON THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM.]

    We can't tell you who to vote for, but we can tell you that the Coalition's record with its Senate majority has been appalling. (Click here to read our blog on GetUp's campaign to restore balance, accountability, and independence to the Senate.)

    At GetUp, we believe that the record stands, and the Coalition cannot be trusted with another Senate majority – which even under a Rudd Labor Government, would give them power to veto important legislation such as capping carbon emissions.

    We wish we could just tell you to vote for anyone BUT the Coalition. Unfortunately it's not quite as simple as that, because of course many of the smaller parties have preferenced the Coalition – so if you want to ensure that the Coalition doesn't retain absolute control of the Senate, you need to be careful not to vote for them indirectly as well. You can see where the parties are sending your preferences at our preference flow summary page here or on the AEC's website here.


    Isn't there a possibility that Labor could win control of the Senate too, and we'd be in the same situation again with one party controlling both Houses? << back to contents

    Out of 76 Senate seats, the Coalition currently holds 39, versus the Labor Party's 28. The rest are held by minor parties and independents.

    Even if Kevin Rudd manages to become the next Prime Minister, analysts agree that with the way the numbers stack up, it's nearly impossible for Labor to win enough seats to have outright control of the Senate as well.

    Election analysts agree that the two most likely scenarios are (1) that the Coalition retains a majority in the Senate, or (2) that the balance of power is held by some combination of Family First, the Greens, the Democrats, and Nick Xenophon (an independent in South Australia), if he is elected.

    Keep in mind, though, that unlike with MPs in the lower house, who take office immediately, most newly elected Senators won't take office until the middle of next year. The exception is Senators from the territories, who take office immediately. So the balance of power in the Senate is unlikely to change dramatically until the middle of next year, no matter the outcome of this election.


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    Disclaimer: All of the information above is correct to the best of GetUp's knowledge - but it does not constitute legal advice and should not be considered a substitute for consulting the AEC's website at http://aec.gov.au. GetUp does not support and is not supported by any particular political party or candidate and nothing above should be construed as recommending that you vote for any particular party or candidate.

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    Steven Price
    November 18th, 2007

    Thanks for this GetUp! Finally I get it.

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    Richard Ure
    November 19th, 2007

    Your http://www.howshouldivote.com.au/ has the potential to promote informed voting in a way not previously available thanks to internet technology. It could be the best thing since Federation. It is particularly disappointing, but I guess not surprising, that an arrogant government does not think it important enough to participate.

    In Bennelong we receive paid, personally addressed mail from the Prime Minister, no doubt at vast community expense, and so as to avoid "no junk mail" notices.

    How Should I Vote levels the playing field and gives the minor parties a chance to be heard. Reason enough alone to prefer them to the Liberal party which does not wish to talk to GetUp members or their friends.

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    mish and justine
    November 20th, 2007

    question re preferences:

    Is it possible for my preference not to count - eg in the following scenario:

    6 candidates in a seat
    I vote for the candidate running third, preferencing candidate 1. If another candidate is knocked out before mine, and thier prefences flow to my last choice, and get them over 50% of the vote, will my vote then be discounted, even if all the preferences from my candidate would have flowed to my second choice, and also given them over 50% of the vote.

    ie - if I vote like this:
    Green 1
    Labour 2
    Ind 3
    liberal 4

    and the ind gets knocked out before the green candidate, and their preferences get liberal over the 50%, what has happened to my vote????

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    Carlie Devine
    November 20th, 2007

    The links you provide on this blog are fantastic sources of information too, cheers Getup

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    Ken Yap
    November 21st, 2007

    Please point out that electoral funding is determined by the primary vote (provided it is at least 4%). So for example, if you care about Green issues, have no fear putting them in 1, and followed by your other preferences. Even though you know the Greens will cannot win the seat in your electorate, your vote is still valuable to the Greens for funding reasons and your preferred of the major two will still get your vote.

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    Ken Yap
    November 21st, 2007

    mish and justine,

    If preferences of other people put the Liberal candidate over 50%, then there is no way your preferences and those of people like you could have put your Labor candidate over 50%.

    The total amount of votes is 100%, and they end up in the blue bucket or the red bucket (ignoring electorates that vote in an Indy). If one bucket has > 50%, then the other bucket has < 50%. QED.

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    Julio
    November 21st, 2007

    question re preferences from mish and justine:

    As I understand the system (which is a lot better now thanks to GetUp!), the scenario you are proposing is theoretically possible but very unlikely in a seat that is in serious contention.

    In your example, over 50% would have had to either vote 1 Liberal or 1 independent and 2 Liberal, i.e., less than 50% would have voted for either The Greens or Liberals as either their first or second choices.

    This could and maybe does happen in a strongly pro-Liberal district, but if the seat is at all marginal, then in practice no one would get over the line until the counting is down to the last two candidates and all preferences have been included.

    I hope this helps, and anybody please correct me if my reasoning seems faulty.

    Cheers,
    Julio

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    Grant Medaris
    November 21st, 2007

    Thank you GetUp Team for this superb summary. I found it informative and very helpful. Keep up the excellent work.

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    confused
    November 21st, 2007

    Voting below the line in the Senate is a key way of promoting and preserving democracy. Why are you not encouraging voters to do so?

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    Kate
    November 21st, 2007

    A fantastic summary, thanks Getup! The howshouldivote survey is an excellent idea and well executed - I'd expect nothing less from GetUp!

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    PF
    November 21st, 2007

    Mish and Justine: You're gone. Lib wins if he gets over the 50% with Ind preferences.

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    Vote Below the Line
    November 21st, 2007

    The most effective way of ensuring your Senate preferences are distributed according to your wishes is to VOTE BELOW THE LINE on your Senate ballot paper, i.e. number all the boxes below the line rather than a single box above the line.

    The reason for this is that voting above line results in Senate preferences being distributed according to the wishes of (the major) political parties, which are not necessarily the same as the individual voter's preferences. With more than more than 90% of voters voting above the line we risk skewing the representation of the Senate away from that of the electorate towards that of the major parties.

    An ABC Radio National "Perspective" by the late Peter Andren provides greater detail

    http://abc.net.au/rn/perspective/stories/2007/1954625.htm

    See also Anthony Green's article at

    http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=3359

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    SallyMay
    November 21st, 2007

    Thank you, you have helped me to understand the voting system, and I took your quiz, so I know who Im voting for and in what order.

    You guys do a great job!

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    drwhos
    November 21st, 2007

    Dear Sir,
    We can only pray that Australia will choose to change the nation on Saturday. Wouldn't it be wonderful to have a nation that offered the opportunity to all Australians to have adequate education and health care not just those who can afford private schools and private health insurance? That the inequalities in wealth could be addressed by providing at least affordable housing to those most in need including indigenous Australians. That Australians would think beyond their own hip pockets to the world problems of global warming and refugees. That Australians would demand that their government withdraw from illegal wars and spend the vast amounts wasted on weapons to alleviate world poverty. I dare to dream.

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    Mark Aldridge
    November 21st, 2007

    I have spent some 12 years fighting for the people of my state, raising money for those in need and looking after injured and abused animals, i have also been in the courts fighting for civil rights and those less fortuant, i have also run for the senate, I am now the face of One Nation in south Australia, yes we do exist, we just dont recieve a fair go by the media, I am an honest choice for your voice in the senate so please google my name or that of my party and afford me the same fair go you would like in my position.

    Mark Aldridge senate team leader, the new One Nation

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    Jane
    November 21st, 2007

    Thanks Get up

    This is really useful. I can't tell you the number of people who I've encountered who really don't understand the preferential voting system and how to make it work for them

    Jane

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    John
    November 21st, 2007

    On page 4 of the AEC official guide to the 2007 federal election I was horrified to see that a secure electronic voting trial is being held - this trial is an Austraalian first.

    My understanding of electronic voting systems is that there is no way of checking if the data entered by the voter actually goes to the candidate that is selected. After the problems encountered in the USA with electronic systems why would the AEC want to get away from our present cumbersome but verifiable system?

    I do not remember hearing anything about this electronic voting trial. Is such a system used sucessfully in other countries?

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    jl
    November 21st, 2007

    I heard that when preferences are counted the 'lowest' counted party's preferneces are counted first - is that true - how does that work?

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    Cheryl
    November 21st, 2007

    Thanks for such clear explanations GetUp - this is the first time I've seen the system so well explained for the average voter. Keep up the good work!

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    Richard
    November 21st, 2007

    The AEC website cannot be accessed at this time.
    Clearly, people are reding your blog

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    LMH
    November 21st, 2007

    Brilliant. At long last, I'm going to make a valid vote!

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    Joanna
    November 21st, 2007

    Dear GetUp!
    Thankyou so much! I cannot believe that i may have gone off to vote this saturday without reading this guide! I never really understood the above the line/below the line voting system when people would talk about it (I am a first time voter) but now i do and i am looking forward to making my vote count this Saturday! Thankyou! :D

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    Alex
    November 21st, 2007

    Thanks Getup,
    I didn't really understand the way preferences flowed in the Senate before. I'm not happy about the Democrats or the Greens preferencing Lab/Lib 50:50 so now I need to vote below the line .. .bummer :-( It would be nice if they took a leaf out of the NSW election and allowed you to vote your preferences above the line as well. A LOT easier to get right.

    Thanks for the heads up on the Climate change coalition! Hope there's going to be some posters/leaflets up to warn voters of this. It's a pretty dirty trick.

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    Taren Stinebrickner-Kauffman
    November 21st, 2007

    To Alex: The Greens are not splitting their preferences.

    Cheers,
    Taren, for the GetUp team

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    Brian
    November 21st, 2007

    Thank you for putting the information, not so for my sake, but for the younger voters who are voting for the first time. But I feel you should have done this either when the election was unofficially anounced..prior to last weeks official launch. It is though well arranged and quite clear.
    We know most people have made their minds up already, but the voters should at least think about why you are voting for your favourite party as once the election is over...you can only blame yourself in the end if your party doesn't get in if you didn't think about it. Brings to mind the old adage, "you deserve the government you get"...Also think of the fact that when you vote, although yes it is compulsory, appreciate you are in some of the few countries where you can vote without bloodshed. You can walk into the booth, vote, walk out again and go home or wherever in peace..knowing you participated in a democratic process for the sake of the country you love.

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    jon
    November 21st, 2007

    In previous elections, I seem to recall that in Senate voting below the line that, provided one numbered sufficient boxes below the line for the number of Senators to be elected for the State or Territory (was it this number plus one?), then this was a valid vote.

    I also recall proponents of this limited voting were seriously criticized by the Aust Electoral Commission but that there was no denial of validity. I know we are supposed to number every box, but do we have to, and if we do, isn't it about time we changed this. It works in municipal elections.

    Any clarifications please?

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    trev
    November 21st, 2007

    Jon,
    Here's a comment from Anthony on the Getup Senate preferences blog that might help

    "Regarding Trev's comment about only numbering up to 15 in NSW, this is because the state elections have "optional" proportional preferential. This system means you dont need to fill in every box, just the ones you want to vote for.

    Fed Elections are different. They require every box to be filled.

    There are arguements for and against Optional Preferential vs completing the ballot. Regardless of these arguements, I believe we need one single voting system that applies to all levels of government.

    I recall in 2002, Labor made a very big "Just Vote 1" campaign for a mayoral by-election in Wollongong. A few weeks later, there was another by-election for Cunningham. It was estimated that at least 1.5% of the vote was informal because people who just voted 1 for mayor, voted the same way for Labor in Cunningham and had the vote declared informal.

    While I fully support compulsory voting as an essential fundamental of the Australian System, I think the politicians need to get together and say "this is how every election needs to proceed from now on".>>

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    Wez
    November 21st, 2007

    Thanks so much for the link howishouldvote.com.au it has made my decision on who to vote for so much easier! Will be telling EVERYONE I know about this site so they can make the right choices for themselves! Thank you GetUp! Keep up the amazing work :)

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    jl
    November 21st, 2007

    I still find how preferences are counted for the House of Reps somewhat confusing - does the preferences of the person first "knocked out" counted first?
    does that mean the person I put last could have their preference counted before mine?

    While I appreciated your 'who i could vote for ' questionaire that you set up I actually didn't want to vote the way it came up!! wonder how many others found that too?

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    ellno # one
    November 21st, 2007

    I'm always impressed by something different, just the other day I was given a paper to read called "The Concerned Australians Trust". It goes into depth of how Australia is now some 90% foreign owned, from 5% in 1953. It also explains that tax reform is a major need, a debit tax could save the people of Australia a lot of money and at the same time put us back into the black permanently.
    Web: http://www.saveaustraliaalliance.com.au
    In my opinion this is the track Australia should be going down.
    By all accounts this man is concerned about the Australia his Childern and Grandchildern will inherit and is prepared to put his money where his mouth is, if I were fourty years younger, I would be first in line to become a candidate????

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    Joanne
    November 21st, 2007

    Compulsory voting is one thing but informed voters? What a concept!!! Keep us the good work, GetUp!

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    Melissa Beit
    November 21st, 2007

    You guys at getup are great. What a fantastic movement. Good luck on the day and lets hope for a well-needed change of government.

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    Daniel
    November 21st, 2007

    http://www.freewebs.com/dkay07/
    MY views on Australian/ American politics and my artworks!

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    robert
    November 21st, 2007

    why do we have to mark ballot papers with erasable pencil?

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    cvaitch
    November 21st, 2007

    Why do we not have to show ID at the polling booth?

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    ferris
    November 21st, 2007

    Having worked for the Electoral Commission for years I can tell you that you only need to fill in 80% of any ballot paper for it to be valid, so as long as there's at least 5 candidates you can not number your most detested candidate & your vote will still count, ditto numbering 80% of the squares below the line of the senate paper is a valid vote, just make sure your maths is OK. It's the closest we can get to what became known as the Albert Langer style of voting under the present rules.

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    sener4senate
    November 21st, 2007

    Up till recently the AEC had very little on voting BELOW THE LINE for the senate ballot paper. They now have an excellent flash Practice voting page. But if you want a good reason WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE BELOW the line you might be interested in checking my previously created youtube video clip, which illustrates a 2004 Federal Election example why YOU as the Voter should be in charge of your preferences (beyond 1'st pref), and also illustrates How you can vote for me (only for VICTORIAN voters), as I'm one of those Ungrouped candidates who don't have an above the line ticket box.
    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=b7Ffx_Y_YkM

    Tejay M Sener,
    http://sener4senate.googlepages.com
    http://au.youtube.com/user/sener4senate

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    jojo
    November 21st, 2007

    Thanks for the great information, it has helped lessen my confusion.
    I still don't believe in preferential voting, because I feel that if more people voted for a certain candidate than any other, that is the candidate who should win, not someone else who is 'helped along" by other votes. AS far as I'm concerned if I wanted one of the major parties to have my vote I'd vote for them!
    Maybe there should be an extra box on ballot papers saying "I don't wish my vote to be re-distributed" for people who believe as I do. The number of voters who agree with me may well be surprising.

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    Jack E
    November 22nd, 2007

    "ferris" below states "Having worked for the Electoral Commission for years I can tell you that you only need to fill in 80% of any ballot paper...." hmmmmmm, I wonder. I would suggest completing your ballot paper as per the proper instructions - otherwise you run the risk of your vote won't count (consider that in the US some years ago it all came down to "hanging chats")

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    Linda
    November 22nd, 2007

    Great stuff, thanks for keeping me up to date & learning something new everday, love it all.

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    Rosemary Grundy
    November 22nd, 2007

    Thank you for this information. It is very readable and the information can be passed on to other voters, which I will do. Thanks too for the wonderful work you do. It gives me great hope that such a large committed group has surfaced. It is an indication that the future will be in good hands.

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    Less Confused
    November 22nd, 2007

    Brilliant! I'm not one of those who have emailed you but you have read my mind. Thank you for providing non-partisan Elections For Dummies!

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    Less Confused
    November 22nd, 2007

    In response to jojo, YES! I totally agree.

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    Cathy Warrimoo
    November 22nd, 2007

    I went looking to see who the Greens were going to prefence.
    The process was easly and usefull.
    Thanks for the service.
    Keep up the good work, perhaps at the nest election you could run a education campaign for the whole community on how to vote.
    Because I have to tell you the number of people I have spoken to who have no idear is unbelievable.

    Thank guys for making a difference.

    Cathy

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    EyeRa
    November 22nd, 2007

    The Senate functioning properly is crucial for our democracy because the Senate is our only way of blocking a rogue government of either persuasion. According to a youtube video Channel Seven has been legally prevented from showing 'Mr Howard's Secret Plan on WorkChoices'. If there is to be a second wave of Workchoices then the Senate is our only way of blocking them.
    What happens if we lose 'proportional representation' in the Senate ? How would it effect the outcome to have first past the post ?

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    innerbeing
    November 22nd, 2007

    Fantastic...love your work....

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    hmh
    November 22nd, 2007

    Congratulations! You have done an excellent job in explaining the intricacies of the electoral system, in partcular the allocation of preferences in the Senate. Many thanks for all your efforts.

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    Kelly
    November 22nd, 2007

    Thank you for this succinct explanation of an otherwise confusing system. I studied Community Development and I STILL find it confusing! Hopefully your website will help Australia's young people to make an informed decision on election day.

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    sue
    November 22nd, 2007

    Get-up - thanks so much for providing this information. I'm a first time voter who did not grow up in Australia and so I do not really understand the electoral system here. Your information has made all of this much clearer.

    One question re the senate. If I was planning on voting below the line and wanted to preference parties in the following order:
    1. Democrats
    2. Greens
    3. Labor
    4. Liberals
    5. Family First
    should I number all the Democrats boxes first (i.e. 1-5 if there were 5 Democrats candidates) and then the Greens boxes next (i.e. 6-8 if there were 3 Greens candidates) and so forth until all the boxes are numbered?

    Thanks again!

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    JamesH
    November 22nd, 2007

    When I first saw your howshouldivote.com.au website I thought it was fantastic idea. It is a tool that actually makes people think about the issues at hand and find out which representative had views that best aligned with their own.

    I can not overemphasise the disappointment I felt at the end of the survey. The fact that you chose to complete the survey on behalf of my Labor candidate but not my Liberal candidate means Liberal will always be marked 7 and Labor near the top. I have no intention on voting for the Liberals but the fact that you are masquerading as an organisation that does not back any particular party means your actions are no better than the Liberal and Labor spin doctors saturating our media with nonsense and factless advertising.

    I feel you have run some excellent campaigns this year and hope this new trend doesn’t continue.

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    opmaced
    November 22nd, 2007

    Thanks guys, this info has finally allowed me to really understand how to vote eg. labour for my local house of reps MP and then greens as my senate choice. And thanks for the link to the AEC to see where preferences are going, there are a few wolves in sheep's clothing out there eg. all the following parties place the GREENS as their last preference: CITIZENS ELECTORAL COUNCIL; FAMILY FIRST; CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATIC PARTY (FRED NILE GROUP); PAULINE; ONE NATION; NON-CUSTODIAL PARENTS PARTY (EQUAL PARENTING); THE AUSTRALIAN SHOOTERS PARTY/AUSTRALIAN FISHING AND LIFESTYLE PARTY; and also CONSERVATIVES FOR CLIMATE AND ENVIRONMENT (56-61); LDP(68-73); D.L.P. – DEMOCRATIC LABOR PARTY(68-73); THE FISHING PARTY(64-69); Group V(56-61). So please look at which PARTY you are voting for and where their preferences are flowing to!!!

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    lyndall
    November 22nd, 2007

    I tried your quiz on how to vote...got to question 8 and then it threw me back to beginning but I persevered and got it finally completed to confirm my intentions on voting were correct...so well done...
    BUT..... why is there nothing about the aged in the quiz. Australia, like other developed countries has an aging population and you'll all get there one day (unless you die first) whether as a pensioner or as an independent self funded retiree...this group does deserve some consideration.

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    Ken Yap
    November 22nd, 2007

    I posted this in the Senate voting blog, but it's worth repeating here.

    If you are having trouble reading the PDF versions of the Senate group voting tickets at the AEC website, you can view HTML versions at the ABC website here:

    http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2007/guide/groupvotingtickets.htm

    Again, it pays to study who is preferencing who, and to vote below the line if you want to be explicit about where you want your Senate vote to flow.

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    Ken Yap
    November 22nd, 2007

    I posted this in the Senate blog, but it really belongs in the general blog. This explanation is for the LOWER HOUSE only, not the Senate.

    Preferences can push a candidate that is behind over the line. However it makes no difference WHEN your particular vote gets redistributed according to your preference, whether it is done before or after somebody else's preference. The final result is still the same when all the preferences have been allocated.

    Think of it using this analogy: The parties are represented by buckets. Redistribution is like pouring the votes from the bucket (candidate) with the least votes at that point in the count into the other buckets according to preferences. Then that candidate gets knocked out. This goes on until there are two buckets remaining. Note that the redistribution is not determined by the party the bucket represents, but by YOUR preference. So if your second preference is for the Koala party but your neighbour's second preference is for the Possum party, your vote goes into the Koala bucket and your neighbour's vote goes into the Possum bucket. And so on all the remaining preferences. All the boxes have to be numbered (again, this the LOWER HOUSE aka house of representatives, so there is no voting above the line here).

    Eventually there will be two buckets remaining, and the one that is over 50% has won. Of course if it can be seen that one bucket has over 50% already, there is no way the other bucket can catch up, since the total adds to 100%.

    The bottom line is this: If you put Lab before Lib in your list of preferences, they will eventually get your vote. And vice versa. The exceptions are the few seats where there is a strong independent candidate.

    But as I have pointed out before, your vote can also do double duty. Your primary (first preference) vote determines funding (provided the party gets at least 4% of the voters in the electorate). So for example if you care about Green issues, put them in 1, and the Green party benefits, even though you know your vote will eventually go to Lib or Lab according to your preference.

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    s.peck
    November 22nd, 2007

    Excuse my ignorance - I'm across the Senate voting and the importance of voting below the line, but is it detrimental to Labor's chances of winning Government if I vote Greens in the House of reps, with Labor as my next preference?

    I keep hearing a vote for The Greens in the HoR's is a wasted vote but this seems to be incorrect.

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    Ken Yap
    November 22nd, 2007

    s.peck,

    See my explanation below about why Labor will still get your HoR vote even if you vote 1 Green 2 Labor

    No it is not a wasted vote, for the reason of funding as explained in my post.

    Good on ya.

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    Sandy
    November 22nd, 2007

    Congratulations GetUP - I have been an Australian citizen for 8 years and never fully understood how the voting system works until now and most voters I know are in the same boat (even if they were born here)! I would like to see this information distributed to all voters - it's appalling how little we understand when we have such big decisions to make.

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    Barney
    November 22nd, 2007

    As I am intending to vote for the Greens, when I saw how they were going to distribute preferences in the ACT senate vote, my initial reaction was panic. I had assumed Labor would immediately get my second preference if the Greens didn't get a senator in, but instead there were all these other minor parties I knew nothing about, and it appeared my vote would go to them before Labor, who were nearly last in the list. But after thinking about it a bit more, I realised that these other minor parties will all be eliminated BEFORE the Greens (as all are likely to get much fewer votes), and by the time my Green vote gets distributed, if that proves to be necessary, there will only be Labor and Liberal left in the running, so my vote would end up with Labor. I can see why you describe the preference flows as "suprising".

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    sadie
    November 22nd, 2007

    Rather proud for your input am impressed.
    rubberstamper's?
    Don,t believe in promises

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    Rosa Kasteel
    November 22nd, 2007

    Although I know what I'm voting for I wasn't sure how to do my paperwork for my Senate vote. In the past I've voted above the line and this now gives me the spooks. I hope "they" hand out How to Vote examples as at the moment I'm still in the mud of it all. Will look further. Thanks

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    olga
    November 22nd, 2007

    Well done, Get Up! I've printed out voters guide for all the people I know. Thanks!

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    JOHN
    November 22nd, 2007

    I believe that I heard on the ABC radio on Sunday last that if you vote below the line for the Senate and are worried that you may make a mistake then you may also vote 1 for an above the line group as an insurance. This means that if you invalidate your below the line vote the above the line vote will be accepted but the preferences will flow according to that parties wishes. Is this true?

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    Spirit of the Oz Republic
    November 22nd, 2007

    Only more independents can deliver change in the Lower House.
    You shoud be promoting Independents ahead of the major parties, BIB & BUB.
    Parramatta is an excellent example where Buckley the Independent , has the ability and experience to get changes for the better.

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    waddaurekon
    November 22nd, 2007

    Great site, i needed to learn this!
    I would love to find a site (like howshouldivote.com) assisting senate voting below the line.
    Anyone know of 1??
    I will now painstakingly plan my senate vote below the line.

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    Sarah
    November 22nd, 2007

    Thank you Get Up Team. And not just for the blog but for your existence. I am now better equppied to be heard than ever.

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    Acrobat
    November 22nd, 2007

    I must disagree strongly with Jojo's comments on Preferential (PV) versus First-Past-the-Post (FPTP) voting.

    In PV, EVERY voter has a say in who is elected as their representative. Consider this; if 40% of voters vote for Nitwit, 35% vote for The Bunny and 25% vote for Fair-and-Square, 60% of the voters DO NOT WANT Nitwit as their first choice representative. In effect, using FPTP he is a minority representative.

    By distributing preferences, everyone has a say in the final count. To me, this is the fairest way of electing a representative satisfactory to the whole electorate, even tough it produces a give-and-take result.

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    The Guide
    November 23rd, 2007

    To jl

    Your first preference is the person for whom you vote "1". The candidate with the least number of votes is "knocked out" first. Second preferences on his / her ballot papers are then allotted to other candidates and some of these may be allotted to your candidate, and so on for the candidate with the next lowest number of votes until one candidate polls over 50% of the vote. If your candidate has the second, or occasionally third, highest number of primary votes, that candidate may collect enough preference votes to make up a 50% plus one vote and so win election. If the result is still undecided, then third preference votes are counted, and so on.

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    Chris Pudney
    November 23rd, 2007

    Please take a moment to "Digg" howshouldivote.com.au by visiting

    http://digg.com/political_opinion/HowShouldIVote_com_au_Does_America_need_this

    (you may need to register - don't worry it's spam-proof)

    Digg is an influential web-site ranking engine - we can collectively drive traffic to howshouldivote.com.au by improving its ranking on Digg.

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    maurice foley
    November 23rd, 2007

    Hello, GetUp:

    Great work ... Great idea... should impress the major parties... They'd love to have a look at your database... They'd pay well, too ... !

    But why didn't you contact me? I'm Maurice Foley , the only independent candidate for Solomon, based in Darwin, N.T. I was not even aware that you have this clever - but possibly not very meaningful, depending on the honesty and sophistication of the analysis [e.g. what weighting is given to the probability that a party would actually carry out the policies they parade...]

    This is the second time I have run in the same electorate [Solomon, Darwin, N.T., where I have lived for 25 years] - trying to promote philosophy as the 'foundational material of perception, and therefore of government'. It is the second time I have put myself 'on the line' by insisting that the real reason for the ill-treatment of so many of ourselves - Aboriginals, mentally-ill people, carers and all honest nurses, teachers, police, managers et al. who get 'burnt out' working in the underfunded public services - by ourselves (the voters who demand tax cuts) is that the electorate doesn't care - as long as the lounge-rooms keep filling up with more distractions...

    I attended one GetUp meeting in Darwin - about global warming - with some other equally genuine seeming people. The meeting was pleasant but unfocused...and I don't think much actually happened after it... Anyway I thought that a candidate shouldn't be involved with the group... However, Charles, from the NT Environment Centre. who organised later GetUp meetings does know me and is aware of my candidacy.

    Why didn't you contact me? Surely I am one candidate who has literally 'Gotten Up' - via decades of study and work. I have had almost zero exposure on the 'bimbo local ABC' - not least because I have described clearly how they fail to do their job.... On the I morning I nominated as a candidate, the local 'Murdoch Rag', the NT News claimed I 'was under investigation for theft...' Perhaps they remembered my accurate - and not unkind - assertion that
    '...this election can be characterised as offering us a choice between Aussie 'Low Or Lite', being reported on by Aussie 'Low And Lite'

    The NT News [and, depressingly, the local ABC] have proved this assertion to be true. When the NT News printed the [ridiculous] effective allegation that I am a thief, the last words of the article were... "Mr Foley could not be contacted for comment." As if they tried...! In fact, the relevant government officer - the 'boss' of all road signs, and much else, from here to Alice - told me that they were 'alerted' to the allegedly stolen sign by their Marketing and Media section - I wonder whether it was the NT News itself that rang the department alleging the theft! They certainly are 'low' enough to do that...! Our brave local ABC more or less told me that '...everyone knows what the NT News is like...' and then refused to let me on air to defend myself...
    Where were GetUp? What efforts did you make to contact me? The local organisers know me...

    Or, like I suspect the ACL and others may be, are you just playing the 3 party game too? Refer the shocking - worthy of the attention of the AEC - 'how to vote in the Senate' video the ACL put out in public.
    Is the aim - as it seems to be for Jim Wallace and his ACL (who I must say gave me great exposure and even opportunity, and therefore with whom I will try to maintain contact) - just to establish yourselves as 'directors of preferences', back-room (as surely the internet is...) operators, safely unelectable, 'virtual dictators' who can get to be seen to influence government... and who never have to walk the streets looking for a vote... Which at least Pauline Hanson did, on her journey to 'direct preferences', on her 'long march' to influence the 'powers that be'...!

    Anyway, please check my website www.vote1sense.com and please contact me. Out of respect for 'due process' and its underpinning role in liberal democracy - if nothing else at this late stage - I have submitted my answers to the 20 questions and I would appreciate your including them in the Solomon 'votedecider' programme. I would be very interested to see which answers to those questions give a result saying Vote 1 Independent .

    Yours sincerely,


    Maurice Foley

    Please check my site and include me in any publicly available 'How to vote' material you are disseminating. For Democracy, please: get up, GetUp!

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    Caro
    November 23rd, 2007

    Question - can u list the parties in order of how much they reflect Christian values?

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    Carol
    November 23rd, 2007

    Hi, Getup:

    Great idea, Great Format.

    Apart from all the obvious subjects which effect all of us, the one subject that hasn't even rated a mention is:-
    WHAT IS THE GOVERNMENT, BOTH SIDES GOING TO DO ABOUT BRINGING THE CURRENT OUTBREAK OF EQUINE INFLUENZA TO A HALT? and WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO OPEN OUR BORDERS UP AGAIN AND LET THE HORSE INDUSTRY GET BACK TO LIFE? There are a lot of people hurting out there, the human cost is enormous.
    I am surprised more people haven't pushed the Government for answers, there ten's of thousands of votes out there and some very angry voters. So lets hear it from the Politicians - What are they doing and How long is it going to take?

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    Paul Cross
    November 23rd, 2007

    Dear GetUp,
    Your 'How should I vote' match up is a total sham.
    4 times I did it in various guises of political persuation and every time I was told I should vote for a left wing party.
    When I matched my answers to the canidate you told me to vote for I found them to be the total opposite.
    Which now leaves me to believe that the GETUP organisation is nothing but a bunch of pathetically organised bunch of pinko lefties.
    I have forward my findings to hundreds of friends and contacts and suggested they in turn check out your scam and in turn forward the scam results to all their friends. Hopefully to expose exactly what you people are about.

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    Chris Pudney
    November 23rd, 2007

    Paul Cross is probably just "trolling" but in case he's serious, or taken seriously...

    READ THE FINE PRINT!

    "Despite our best efforts to get all candidates to participate, many candidates, including most candidates endorsed by the Liberal and National Parties, have not completed the survey, nor has the Liberal Party accepted howshouldivote.com.au's invitation to provide a response on behalf of its endorsed candidates."

    So, no matter how right wing your answers to the survey the LibNat's aren't going to rank ahead of those candidates how have provided answers to the survey.

    That's 110,000+ missed opportunities on the part of the Coalition to be ranked ahead of the ALP on HowShouldIVote.com.au...

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    Ken Yap
    November 23rd, 2007

    It's the same story over at thebigswitch.org.au. Very few coalition candidates responded to their survey. However my sitting member found the resources to bombard my and presumably my neighbours' letterboxs with Auspost delivered leaflets. I have so many pieces of paper with blank sides that I can reuse in the printer.

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    A disgruntled voter
    November 23rd, 2007

    I've already written to the people of 'GetUp', and put forward my view on the ridiculous political stupidity of the 'how should i vote' scheme they are putting on.

    I trialled the 20 question scheme, four times in fact, and everytime, no matter how hard i directed my answers to the liberals, it kept coming up with the labor candidate is the person i 'should vote for'.

    Really. I've never been a fan of politics, but this just gets to me. VOTE 1 - LITTLE JOHNNY - for the mere fact that this site is very much a BIAS website, not taking into account any other party apart from Labor. We are a democratic society, where we take into account ALL views, not just idiotic polititians and right wing extremists.

    VOTE 1 - LITTLE JOHNNY.

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    Len
    November 23rd, 2007

    Paul Cross and the disgruntled voter clearly don't know how to use the survey form. I had no trouble getting the right wing LDP candidate in Benelong when I put answers in which matched his profile.

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    JamesH
    November 23rd, 2007

    People don't read fine print. Thank you to Paul and Chris for highlighting this fact. This is I why I raised concerns about your survey yesterday. Completing this survey on behalf of the liberal party (using the plethora of policy information available) would have given this tool some credibility. But then, I suppose, your subversive political agenda would not have been so effective.

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    stephanie mitchell
    November 23rd, 2007

    Please please some one explain to me - is it true that in the house of representatives - if the two major parties do not gain a majority then the MP with the lowest number of votes has their second preferences counted and then added to the pile of the major parties. If this does not lead to a majority then the MP with the second lowest votes, has his second preferences counted and so on until a majority is found for one of the major parties.

    IF this is true then the people that vote for the more obscure parties like one nation and family first are deciding who takes the balance of power in the house of representatives, Rather than everyones second preference being counted and as it is in the senate.

    My friend has read this on a site (I will post the link when she sends it to me) and I find this most disturbing.

    If this is true then we are wasting our vote for eg: the greens, who will most likely have one of the largest pools of votes (apart from the major parties) - Because their second preference votes will not be counted!!



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    stephanie mitchell
    November 23rd, 2007

    Here it is: Freaky stuff. from the AEC web site

    Step 1: The candidates are ranked according to how many formal first preference votes they have received in the election.

    If the total number of first preference votes for all the candidates except the first- and second-ranked candidates is less than the number of first preference votes for the second-ranked candidate, all the candidates other than the first and second ranked candidates are excluded.
    If the total number of first preference votes for all the candidates other than the first- and second-ranked candidates is equal to or more than the number of first preference votes for the second-ranked candidate, then Step 2 begins.

    ****Step 2: The candidate who has received the fewest first preference votes is excluded and all the ballot papers held by that candidate are transferred to the continuing candidates, according to the next available preference expressed on each ballot paper. ***

    Step 3: The process of excluding the candidate who has the fewest votes continues until a single candidate has an absolute majority of the votes.

    Step 4: The candidate who has an absolute majority of votes is elected.

    So what does this mean for preferences?? If i vote greens for example, does my greens vote even count?? Is my 1st prefence counted and add to the pool of Greens MP's - Im assuming it does.... but my second preference is null and void as it is unlikely the greens candidate will be "The candidate who has received the fewest first preference votes" and therefore be excluded and my second preference counted.

    My friend is of the opinion that a vote for the minor parties in the HoR is a wasted vote. Go for the little guy in the Senate but we should all place our first preference for the major part of choice in the HoR.

    Any suggestions - I would love for someone to tell me I am wrong.

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    stephanie mitchell
    November 23rd, 2007

    Sorry I should have explained comment below is a quote about "the allocation of preferences in the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES" on the AEC site. Not about the Senate.

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    Ken Yap
    November 23rd, 2007

    stephanie mitchell,

    Just to be clear to anybody else reading, this is for the lower house, aka house of representatives.

    No, a vote for Greens is not a wasted vote. Eventually your vote will be given to Labor or Coalition, depending on which one you have put first in the numbering.

    The way it works is this.

    1. First preference (primary) votes are counted.

    2. The candidate with the least votes is knocked out.

    3. Votes for him/her are redistributed according the second preferences on the ballot papers.

    Go back to step 1 and eliminate the candidate with the least votes again, and redistribute the votes according preferences. Continue until there are two candidates left.

    In practice it is possible to stop when one candidate has more than 50% + 1 vote from primary plus preferences, since no other candidate will ever match that.

    Note that at no stage is any ballot paper thrown out, and they are YOUR preferences, not that of any party.

    So the bottom line is, if you preference Labor before Coalition, your vote will go to Labor eventually. And vice versa. That's the succinct summary.

    So is it a waste of time to put 1 Green if you care about Green issues? No, because the first preference determines electoral funding. So by putting 1 Green you are sending a message and also helping the Greens, without jeopardising which major party eventually gets your vote.

    Again, we are talking about HoR. Senate is a different story.

    Hope that helps.

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    Ken Yap
    November 23rd, 2007

    stephanie mitchell,

    There is another point someone might ask, and perhaps what you are really asking also. What happens if one candidate gets a majority of primary votes at first count?

    Well in that case, that candidate wins without preferences being taken into account. But you would not have affected this result anyway, whether you wrote 1 Green 2 Otherbigparty, or 1 Otherbigparty 2 Green. That unfortunately is what happens in a safe seat.

    But the Greens still benefit if you write 1 Green.

    The other point is that in a couple of seats, there is a strong Indie and that person might get in. Otherwise all the other HoR seats in Australia are held by Labor or Coalition.

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    tarq
    November 23rd, 2007

    Hey Lou Lou
    great work and nicely explained. I'm sure many people will find this very useful and hopefully will vote appropriately with their feet!!
    cheers

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    Gayle
    November 23rd, 2007

    Your comment
    Thanks a million. You cleared up some serious misconceptions I had, Keep up the good work.

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    Dr No
    November 23rd, 2007

    A money backed Labor bias by GetUp, and Rudd more right wing than Howard? Who ever said this election was boring?!

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/nov2007/gu-n22.shtml

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    mikeb
    November 24th, 2007

    I think the major problems disgruntled voter and Paul Cross may be having are to do with perhaps not owning up to the actual policies of the people they support. Saying you support action on climate change for example will count towards the Green rather than the Libs, as their stance on the issue is about 1,000 times stronger. That's a no-brainer. If you wanted to get a Libs or FF result, try owning up to the policies they are stronger on - indifference to climate change, supporting military intervention, being soft on human and civil rights etc. Besides, the 'how should i vote' survey merely compares what you care about to what the candidates have indicated they support, through direct comment or published policy. It doesn't reflect your - possibly flawed - impressions of a candidate you've already decided to vote for.

    If you keep getting 'leftie pinko' parties and candidates, then maybe you should do some good, hard evaluation of your political principles today, and either stand up for what you believe in against party lines, or stop your damn whingeing, suck it up, and abnegate your conscience to the whims of whichever reactionary bigot you feel like voting for, and stop blaming a website for your confusion on issues.

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    Misled
    November 24th, 2007

    After initial impressions from getup and the assistance that it seemed to provide in making a more informed system of voting, I have now found the system severely flawed. After being uncertain with the direction being advised by you I chose to enter the same responses into an alternate electorate. I was shocked to find quite different recommendations. In fact I was steered towards an independent, who on closer review of the candidate’s profile found had remained neutral on all but two questions. To think that if I had not investigated further the responses that were submitted by this candidate I could have been totally misguided. Then to further irritate, I find that the independent’s answers to the questionnaire were not even her true beliefs as she proudly informs us on her profile.
    Therefore I feel this site has misled me and distracted me from focusing on a more realistic method of determining my electoral choices.

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    William Barwick
    November 27th, 2007

    Well . . . it was a wonderful opportunity to see history in the making as all those election results started rolling into the AEC and ABC computers on Saturday night.

    And, how about the excellent result, too. The only concern I have is that, as Liberal and National politicians start to bail out (for various - sometimes dodgy - reasons) there may not be a strong opposition in Canberra to keep the new Labor government on track !

    I guess that's now become part of GetUp's role too . . . as the now defunct Democrats used to say "keeping the bastards honest"!

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