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The People's Agenda for Parliament '08


Posted on the campaign blog , January 22nd, 2008
Update: Click here to read about the 'People's Agenda' meetings with MPs and discussion in Parliament.

Wow! With 32,517 votes cast, this is the biggest membership-wide vote in GetUp's history - and the most people-powered agenda for Parliament in Australia's! Here is some more detail about how we arrived at the agenda and what it means.

Q: What is this 'People's Agenda' thing all about, anyway?

Australia's progressive movement has been in opposition for almost 11 years. Now, with a new Government and a new Parliament, it's time to show that we stand FOR something, not against something. We have a duty not just to oppose, but to aspire - a duty to dream of what Australia can and should be.

The People's Agenda process, starting with the Vision GetTogethers in December, was designed to give Australia's progressive movement space to aspire and dream - and to create a positive, progressive agenda with a mandate from the community.

Q: How did you come up with these issues in the first place?

A: After 3,000 of you participated in our Vision GetTogethers in December, we read and processed all your input over the summer holidays. You can see the report from most of the GetTogethers here (some people sent their responses in by email instead of via our online survey tool, and while they aren't included in that file, rest assured that we read and took into account your feedback as well.)

We then extracted the 14 commonly recurring themes from the GetTogethers. This was necessarily a somewhat subjective process, one very similar to focus group research. We consulted with public opinion research experts to ensure that our methodology was sound. There were many excellent ideas and important campaign suggestions that didn't make the list, and we wish we and Parliament could take them all on, but we had to keep the voting process to a manageable length we did our best to winnow the field as fairly as possible.

Q: What were the actual results of the survey?

A: Here are the 15 goals we ended up with, and the results of the survey (the first 4 columns are percentages; the 5th is on a scale of 1-4):

#Goaltop 3very imp.imp.not imp.mean
1 Becoming environmentally sustainable (e.g. climate change, water, forests, marine habitats) 71.125.13.40.33.67
2Making high-quality primary, secondary, and tertiary public education accessible to all Australians 41.549.68.50.43.32
3Respecting the rights and improving the living standards of Indigenous Australians35.050.013.41.63.18
4Making high-quality, prevention-focused health care accessible to all33.055.711.00.43.21
5Combating entrenched poverty and narrowing the divide between the rich and the poor24.155.218.41.33.03
6Withdrawing troops from Iraq and urging the USA to change its approach to the ‘war on terror’22.855.119.32.82.98
7Protecting our human rights and civil liberties (e.g. Bill of Rights, anti-terror laws, same-sex rights)22.653.121.82.52.96
8 Improving community infrastructure and planning (e.g. public transport)17.757.124.11.12.92
9Protecting workers' rights (e.g. WorkChoices)17.157.823.41.72.9
10Strengthening our democracy (e.g. government accountability, democratic participation)16.953.727.51.82.86
11Reforming refugee policy (e.g., ending mandatory detention)15.857.122.44.82.84
12Supporting and empowering the elderly, the mentally ill, people with disabilities, and their carers11.556.630.61.32.78
13Becoming a good global citizen (e.g. overseas aid, UN, global poverty)11.554.431.32.82.75
14Remaining nuclear-free and stopping uranium exports19.744.923.112.32.72
15Ensuring Australians' access to diverse information and media (e.g. affordable broadband, ABC/SBS)7.846.941.34.02.59


We selected the top three goals based on the % of voters who listed that issue in their top three. We selected the remainder of the top ten based on the mean importance score, which was calculated as follows:
mean = 4 * (% of voters who rank the issue in their top three) + 3 * (% of voters who rank the issue as very important) + 2 * (% of voters who rank the issue as important) + 1 * (% of voters who rank the issue as not important)


Q: What are you going to do with these results?

We plan to partner with the Centre for Policy Development to write up a comprehensive, detailed version of the People's Agenda. When this is complete (in a few weeks) we will post it online. We have also commissioned an economist to convert it into a budget submission.

Meanwhile, a small delegation of GetUp members - largely GetTogether hosts and attendees in every electorate in the country - is asking for a meeting with every MP in the country to deliver it. We will also be delivering the Agenda to all MPs electronically. Finally, we have released the Agenda to the media.

Q: And how will these results affect GetUp's own campaign plans for the year?

As a member-driven organisation, GetUp will set its agenda in large part based on this member-driven process. Of course, the question of what Parliament should focus on - which is what this process was designed to ascertain - is somewhat different from what GetUp should focus on. Just as an example of what we mean by this, there are very well-developed progressive campaigning organisations in some of the policy areas in question and bigger holes in other areas, so we might concentrate our efforts in areas where we can make a bigger marginal difference. Moreover, we will also be responding to issues as they arise throughout the course of the year.

Finally, clearly the vast majority of our members think that all of these issues are vital to our nation. All of them were raised repeatedly by GetTogether groups, and even the bottom-ranked issues had clear majorities of participants rating them as either in the top three or very important. So just because something didn't make the top ten doesn't mean that we won't be campaigning on it!

Q: What can I do now to help make the People's Agenda a reality?

A: We're glad you asked! Now that we know your priorities for the new Parliament, we are planning our campaigns for the year. We need to know not just how big you're thinking (very big!) but also how big you're willing to act - so please donate now to provide the financial resources we need to follow through on the People's Agenda!

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Jenni Cargill
January 22nd, 2008

I was unable to attend the gatherings earlier but I think its great what you are doing and I am sorry that funding the Arts better didn't make it into the top 15, though I agree with all the urgent and important things that did make it in.
As a performer I feel arts funding in Australia is obsenely paltry and I would particularly like to see much more funding available for community arts and to be much broader than mostly avante garde original works- for some traditional and folk arts like storytelling; and for people OVER 26 and people who have begun but need support building a sustainable living in the arts. I feel many of the probelms of depression and lack of social cohesion can be helped by the arts- especially community arts.

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Jane Thomas
January 22nd, 2008

I took the survey and it was so hard to vote on which ones were more important than others because they were all so important! Now we need to keep up the pressure on parliament to do them all

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Rob Jones
January 23rd, 2008

After 11 years of Government ignorance it's great to see that Australians ARE concerned with the welfare of indigenous people, but let's hope this help manifests as sustainable self-improvement strategies rather than paternalistic hand-outs.

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Vincent O\'Hara
January 23rd, 2008

Great result, though I'm surprised at some. No suggestion that we try to re establish Australia's integrity, so seriously damaged in the last ten years. And I expected more responses to the campaign.

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Jonathan Doig
January 23rd, 2008

It's great to see others' priorities match my own, with climate change the clear leader.

But how did GetUp staff translate that into "lobby the new government for a strong 30% short-term emissions target"? Assuming short-term means by 2020, you can't call 30% greenhouse emissions reduction a strong target!

During the Bali conference, both major parties agreed in principle to 25-40% reductions. So politically 30% is on the conservative side now! And far more important, it's not enough to secure the planet from catastrophic climate change.

The 25-40% (for developed countries) discussed in Bali was based on IPCC modelling that fails to predict the actual melting in the Arctic, where sea-ice extent last summer was down 39% on the long-term average. The Arctic will be ice-free in summer by about 2013, about a hundred years earlier than the IPCC models predict. That will further warm the whole region, leading to melting of Greenland's icesheet and metres of sea-level rise within decades, according to NASA's James Hansen. Other observed positive feedbacks including melting permafrost and ocean acidification are just as frightening.

Clearly we are already in very dangerous climate change territory. To return to a safe-climate world, we need to reduce the actual levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, not just slow down the process of adding to these levels.

So the only defensible target is to reduce emissions to BELOW ZERO as soon as possible, by slashing emissions and sequestering carbon through biochar and reafforestation.

We should be campaigning not for a future XX% target, but to declare a SUSTAINABILITY EMERGENCY now, and calling on the government to lead the country - and press the world to follow suit - in directing all available resources to a clean energy revolution.

For more info see David Spratt and Phillip Sutton's reports at carbonequity.info

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juju
January 23rd, 2008

Thank you so much for this opportunity to participate from a country region. I am passionate about participation and working and studying full time. This gives me a voice - fantastic!

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Malcolm Dufield
January 23rd, 2008

Whilst I don't agree with the the top 3 - I wholly support the process that got them there. True Democracy!

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Chris
January 23rd, 2008

Small issue, but very significant to democracy and environmental sustainability ... stop artificial fluoridation of public water supplies. There is mounting evidence of actual harm to human and environmental health.

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Robert
January 23rd, 2008

I didn't see why "Remaining nuclear-free and stopping uranium exports" had to be lumped together in the survey.
I voted climate change as my top issue because if we can't live on the planet, the other issues are meaningless.
Nuclear power is not necessary for Australia - we have so many alternatives. Countries which already have nuclear power and have signed non-proliferation treaties should continue to be able to buy uranium from us for power generation.

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Ros
January 23rd, 2008

This is a great idea to have a people's agenda. The top 3 are important objectives, however it was disappointing to see the low rating for diverse media access. It is important in a democracy that the information we are supplied through the media is not biased. Our ABC is the only independent media outlet and is a vital component in our democratic society. It needs to have guaranteed funding so that it can maintain its integrity and independence, enabling it to report without fear or favour.

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ben
January 23rd, 2008

My query on the listed goals for the poll is why there is a startling omission in the topic of HOUSING and HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. It is constantly brought up in the media especially around the election. There is huge gap in terms of national policy on any future direction to counter the challenge that is housing affordability. Sydney and Melbourne have been in a terrible state for many years, only worse recently. Brisbane has followed suit and Perth has been allowed to go through an economic boom with the mining industry elevating many other industries to Sydney levels without anything big being done to prevent huge increases in prices. Market forces again being left to dictate affordability and accessibility without regulation. Having worked in the homelessness field for many years now, I see the impacts market forces have on housing affordability on a daily basis. It is a real shame this is not seen as a hot topic regularly enough because there are many ideas that could be tried to help as long term solutions.

Also,

Jenny,
Is the lack of funding for arts due to our incredible investment and priority for sports in this country. Pretty hard to change that i would reckon.


Jenny Cargill wrote:

January 22nd, 2008
I was unable to attend the gatherings earlier but I think its great what you are doing and I am sorry that funding the Arts better didn't make it into the top 15, though I agree with all the urgent and important things that did make it in.
As a performer I feel arts funding in Australia is obsenely paltry and I would particularly like to see much more funding available for community arts and to be much broader than mostly avante garde original works- for some traditional and folk arts like storytelling; and for people OVER 26 and people who have begun but need support building a sustainable living in the arts. I feel many of the probelms of depression and lack of social cohesion can be helped by the arts- especially community arts.

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Leanne Veitch
January 23rd, 2008

The environment is my number 1, and I was so glad to see it was at the top of so many other Aussies' lists as well!

PM Rudd has started his leadership well with the ratification of Kyoto, but now what? I want to see real action on tight regulations for the private and public sector, and real guidelines with heavy penalties to back them up - not just slaps on the wrist!

Why do I care? My two young children may well live on into the next century, and we owe them a decent chance of survival on a habitable planet!

Talk is cheap. I want real action. Let's see it happen.

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Don
January 23rd, 2008

Much the same comment as the other rspondent's, but can you explain why the Indigenous question was put above (into Top 3) the Health question...85% vs 88% for Top/Very Important and mean 3.18 vs 3.21

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Bede
January 23rd, 2008

Just a question on your survey results. There seems to be a discrepency in the way in which these issues have been ranked. Why have some issues been ranked according to their top 3 vote, which other's have been ranked according to their mean score. For example, the issue which you picked as being 3rd (indiginous rights) had a mean score of 3.18, which is lower than the 4th placed issue (health care for all) which had a mean score of 3.21. Every other issues seems to have been ranked according to its mean score, except this one (please refer to "remaining nuclear free" which had a much higher top 3 vote than those above it but was ranked below these due to its low mean score. I know this may sound quite petty, but when you're talking about picking the 3 top issues to be taken to parliament, i think it's imperative that we relect what people actually thought. It seems to me that someone involed in choosing the top 3 issues has managed to push their own agenda Not exactly democratic team!!!

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Brontie
January 23rd, 2008

I am disappointed that the welfare for disabled, mentally ill and the carers came in so low. Probably because those who could have used their voice do not have where with all to do so. As a disability pensioner (I DO work part-time)I find that I am now going backwards financially. The pension does not reflect the increase in the cost of living. And we lose 40c in the dollar for any earnings over $120 a fortnight. Go figure!

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celticbedouin
January 23rd, 2008

I was very pleased to see justice for Aboriginal Australia in the top three. (By the way, I think the scoring system is clearly explained above - the top three were chosen according to the percentage of people putting each issue in the top three).

As a "New Australian" of less than 5 years standing, I know that the world sees the plight of our Indigenous brothers and sisters in a totally different light from the way it is portrayed in the media here. We stand condemned in the eyes of the world on this issue, and not unfairly either.

It is clear that the divide between Aboriginal Australia and ther rest of us is based on widespread institutional racism as well as individual racism which ranges from vitriolic hatred to cold indifference.

There is history here which must be dealt with. A shameful dispossession and an effective apartheid which leaves most Aborigines in a situation analogous to the Palestinians and to the Blacks in South Africa. Not to mention the cultural genocide which has decimated so many Indigenous languages.

I am proud that we have flagged this as one of our top three issues. The Rudd government is not implacably hostile to the progressive agenda, but nor did it embrace it wholeheartedly during the election campaign. "Not Howard" is a start, but it's not enough to place Rudd & Co. in our camp. We shall have to watch this mob very carefully, particularly on reconciliation.

We've made a good start, but there's a long way to go!

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pat
January 23rd, 2008

I'm disappointed that the decision was made to place interests of indigenous Australians in 3rd place above the health care issue. This has to have been a kind of "politically correct' decision. Since 'health care' relates to ALL australians, probably more so to indigenous peoples needs who are certainly disadvantaged, it should have kept third place or, to assuage sensitivities, be made equal third. A silly decision which irritates.

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Taren Stinebrickner-Kauffman
January 23rd, 2008

Hi guys - thanks for all the questions about methodology, a question very near to my heart! There are always different ways to cut the cake, which in this case would have resulted in minor differences in those issues included - e.g., by some arguments health should have been in the top three ahead of indigenous; by some arguments refugee policy should have beaten out strengthening democracy, etc.

In the end, though, the decisions have to be made somehow. We specifically asked people to choose their top three, which was the criterion we used to select the top three because we wanted the three issues that had the most people deeply passionate about them.

For the rest of the top ten, we used the most all-encompassing measure, the mean score, which in mathematical terminology is 'sensitive' to how many people rate the issue in their top three, how many rate it as very important, how many as important, and how many as not important. If we had used only the top three measure to pick the top ten, then whether you rated an issue as 'very important' or 'not important' wouldn't have mattered at all - all that would have mattered is whether you rated it in the top three or not. This way everyone's rating has an impact.

Hope that helps!

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Marcus
January 23rd, 2008

Glad environment is so far in front (10% lead!) It is the only issue which - without urgent action from government -will render all the others moot.

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Luke
January 23rd, 2008

It's said that you can judge a society by how it treats those who are the worst off. Which is disappointing to see "Supporting and empowering the elderly, the mentally ill, people with disabilities, and their carers" so low in the list. As has already been said... these people are often unable to speak up for themselves. They can't march or protest. Knowing like how do how poorly we treat our infirm, I'm saddened by this confirmation of apathy.

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Russell Langfield
January 23rd, 2008

I want ACTION...NOW...not more talk and more enquiries.

I helped vote John Howard out just for this reason. What happened to the high priority "saying sorry"?

I want DEEP cuts to emissions - 100%...and I want them within 5 years so that whoever is in government next has a real physical basis, agenda and commitment to follow.

I want environmentally unsustainable and disastrous projects like the Tasmanian Pulp Mill squashed immediately.

I want governments to build our renewable energy infrastructure including electricity and vehicles bio-fuels NOW.

I want to see every open irrigation channel replaced by pipes NOW and I want to see a water tank in every single Australian home NOW. All these could have already been done since Howard realised our water crisis last year.

Who cares about the next Kyoto meeting and the rest of the world? Diplomats talking shit about organising their next week-long food fest five years down the track. Five years is too late! Someone has to take the lead NOW and I want that to be us, whether the rest follow or not.

Show some damn guts and morality.

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mike davies
January 23rd, 2008

The one issue that is not on your list (because most people are unaware of its implications) is PEAK OIL.
Changes that will occur as a result, in the very near future, will have devastating consequences. Climate Change and Peak Oil will be the defining events of the all too immmediate future. If these are not tackled effectively then all the concern over social justice, education etc. is meaningless if we're all consumed with the struggle to simply survive. The fact that most people believe this will never happen virtually guarantees that it will - the human condition perpetuated.

Which government has a plan to deal with the fall out from oil depletion? Ours certainly doesn't. Politicians don't want to talk about this as it could trigger a Depression - not just a Recession. So, we're all reorganising the deckchairs on the Titanic whilst our politicians do nothing. Does that sound familiar?

Please open a dialogue about Peak Oil as a matter of urgency.

Cheers,

Mike Davies

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sooze
January 23rd, 2008

At last!

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Vivicity
January 23rd, 2008

Sounds like people want action, perhaps suggesting a people initiated referendum policy would be an appropriate means of getting the action ball rolling.
With a peoples initiated referendum we could VOTE on:
climate change,
indigenous rights,
education and social topics,
the government stance/involvement on wars
It kinda gets the public thumb in a lot of pies - which is what we all want... a real say.
Our current political representation makes most Australians feeling un-empowered and little more than an inconvenience at election time.
Let the people decide on the moral nature of the country and let the politicians get on with the management side of things.

Best Regards,

a guy called David.

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celticbedouin
January 23rd, 2008

I aim this comment primarily at Pat, but I suspect it addresses an undercurrent which dares not (at least on this site) speak its name.

When I hear the word "politically correct" I reach for my revolver. The reason being that it is only ever used by people who want to fight for the right to use terminology which is offensive to women or to minority groups, or who want to complain about Aborigines or minority ethnic groups getting "special treatment".

Either way it is a cipher for discrimination.

More people put the Aboriginal issue in the top 3 than put health in the top 3. That is the only reason that it's up there. You may not like it, but it's fair.

Get over it!
Otherwise you might begin to look like you're part of the problem.

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Deborah
January 23rd, 2008

We must not allow the people's agenda to be pushed aside like so many other political submissions! Our politicians need to realize that they are OUR representatives, put there to be OUR voice and not to serve either their own egos or those of the party political power brokers. They may hold their position for 3 years but we, the people, have the POWER to make our voices heard - again and again. Let's use that power NOW for a sustainable future for our children - it's urgent!

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SEPH
January 23rd, 2008

It is quite simply what must be the top agenda we as Citizens want Parliament to address and do not put the cart before the hose, it is 'PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC EMPOWRMENT' of which we have zero and which is a human right, and it does exist in other democratically far more advanced nations. -then the people can set the agenda for this nation and we will no longer be held by ransom of the politicians and/or Governments.

-'WHEN we have a truly democratic system of participation in policy making we are far more inclined to become involved and produce a better consensus of what is really wanted and needed. At government level people tend to think more universally when their vote has little chance of direct personal gain and one also one wants to equalise the benefits for others over oneself, so the greater good would most certainly triumph. We would thus have a forward planning, proactive, peaceable and fairer society on both a local and global scale. As a nation we would have much to gain by true democracy" -

This has got to be and must be they very chief priority - enything is just.... - you know what I mean !!!

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Gratton Wilson
January 23rd, 2008

Congratulations. You have done a remarable job.Most of the items seem to fit the Governments agenda. A notable exception is a Bill of Rights.I have been suprised at the speed with which the Government has embarked on putting their agenda in place. Early days.

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Andy Grodecki
January 23rd, 2008

Firstly congratulations on organising the People's Agenda. Great to see environment No1, disappointed with education so high above issues and pleased with indigenous matters in the top 3.

I am surprised at one aspect of the secondary ranking approach. Why on earth should a 'not important' be counted as part of the mean of importance? Surely this is a negative value.

I realise it is very tricky process of deciding how different votes should be weighted. I don't recall seeing it on the voting page. If doing another such thing it would be helpful if this was up front.

Again well done - Andy

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Paul C
January 23rd, 2008

This is a wonderful initiative. Anything that increases our democratic participation other than only at elections is vital, particularly for ordinary citizens who are not attached to organisational lobbying. Although some will disagree with the order of this "people's agenda", the more fundamental issue is how this forum is run. The process to frame the issues and the voting seems reasonable to me.

Climate change has to be above everything, I just hope the general population beyond the 'progressive' types that participate here have the same views. The Institute of Public Affairs, for instance, is still trying to confuse the issue, and the Victorian Government hardly appears interested at all. But there are other positive signs...

thanks heaps, Paul.

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Expom
January 23rd, 2008

When will the government become tougher on people who break the law? Get rid of the do gooder judges and bring back the old ways.Send repeat juvenile offenders to Borstal,give $1000.00 fines to first time hoon offenders and take away their cars for a month and on the second offence crush the vehicle.Do not allow P platers to drive any vehicle over 1.6 litres. Graffiti has become a plague on society,start giving major fines to first offenders and jail repeat offenders.Follow the singapore Judicial system to stop the rot.

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dav
January 23rd, 2008

I am glad the prioritized issues are in, and will be followed up. However, the issues of good governance, and protecting our human rights and civil liberties is equally important, as we saw how the Howard Govt intentionally and maliciously removed any modicum of decent rights for all, and equality for all in rights legislation. The outright bribing, the AWB scandal etc also prove that good governance should be a top priority...The Rudd Govt seems to have a decent moral team but without the public keeping an eye on ANY govt, old politicians' default position of coverups, lying, breaking promises, arrogance, greed, etc will surface.

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RAL
January 23rd, 2008

Pat is right.If this movement becomes another reverse discrimination movement I will have nothing to do with it.
The issues need to dealt with on a needs basis for all Australians.
We need tolerance of diverse opinions, Celticbedouin,let's not have another movement hi-jacked by one-eyed views.

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Paul Humphreys
January 23rd, 2008

Well done! It may be the start of citizens initiated referenda! Keep up the effort this I believe is one government [Rudd's] that should have no problem in respecting the peoples' wishes aspirations. In my opinion it will take approx. 10 years to rectify all the damage that Howard and his cohorts did.

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Vivicity
January 23rd, 2008

Hi All,
Just a technical note for all those concerning the meaning of the results of the survey. As a statistician, who has a PhD in statistics, the only meaningful results that are relevant from this poll is the scores for the "top 3" and "not important" categories. This is because the people taking this survey all believe that these topics are important so the "very/important" categories are mute.

To differentiate the topics only the highly polar opinions count, so a more appropriate measure would be simply the "top 3" score minus the "not important score."

Anyhow, read my other post below on a peoples initiated referendum - it's more interesting than a technical footnote in history.

Academically Yours,

a statistician called David

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Nathalie
January 23rd, 2008

I'm sorry that the Indigenous Health, education, etc plight did not come 1st.... but we'll get there, I suppose. For the rest, I'm happy with the results. It will be very interesting to see how all this is going to develop. It may even become a suject for a thesis, later on. Well done, team!!!!!

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Trish B
January 23rd, 2008

The GetUp team is to be congratulated for the initiative shown at all stages of the campaign. You have given us a real voice - and yes I do know that only a relative few will use it but it is a start. Traditional political parties are choked by their own red tape - this seems so straight forward. It was great to go to the local Get Together. Not so great to hear some of the views put but all views were accepted and recorded and the top 3 forwarded. To all of you who would prioritise differently perhaps have a rethink about democracy. It's not about me imposing my views but more about having a place to air my views. So THANKYOU to the GetUp team.
Keep up the effort and you will be supported.
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Common Citizen Sue
January 23rd, 2008

Thank you 'dav' (Jan 23rd)
You express my own concerns so well. Even the best intentioned government needs public support and accountability. The positions of great power in this world are so often positions of great temptation. Here's to good (and sensible) governance and upholding basic human rights.

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Guthrie
January 23rd, 2008

Luke and Brontie, I do agree regarding supporting and empowering the elderly, the mentally ill, people with disabilities, and their carers – though it shouldn't be a surprise. It doesn't have a champion. While you see the results of this lack of support time and time again (and by expansion, the morality and societal benefits of support), it's indirect – it's not in people's faces, it's not directly in the news.

My faith in the moral core of our great country would have been strengthened beyond belief if this had rated higher – I was hoping but surmised it would be a left fielder.

It's not the only thing in the numbers that caused an involuntary shake of my head, but that it didn't make the top ten was the biggest disappointment.

While my cynicism of human nature gets a boost, my belief in the democratic process remains intact.

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phildeerhound
January 23rd, 2008

Although the uranium issue occurs only at number fourteen I am a little concern that the one-sidedness of the issue as put still creates a false impression

To be fair you need to put both sides of the question and not only examine the percentage who see a viable uranium policy as being "to campaign for an absolute NO on nuclear power as a means of providing some of the worlds essential and growing energy demands - backed up by a second NO in relation to Australian exports of uranium"

I am one of an increasing number of "environmentalists" - including Professor Lovelock of Gaia fame who see nuclear power as the ONLY viable way of reducing carbon emissions in the short term - and of thereby reducing or even reversing environmental impact. I find the arguments against the environmental effects of mis-classified "renewable energy systems" in many cases insurmountable and the likely economic costs unsustainable and likely to be rejected in the real world

Polling just how many people are beginning to share this view is becoming increasingly important as Governments and their experts themselves increasingly embrace the nuclear option as the only short term viable one - especially when applied in tandem with the development of long term renewable options.

Get Up has been admirably non partisan on most issues but on the nuclear issue I do feel one can detect the influence of an entrenched anti uranium lobby within it. That is acceptabl;e so long as it does not influence how people are polled and questions put

If we seek to change others then we must allow for similar changes in ourselves

Uranium policy has too long been the Holy Cow of the environmental movement- With 442 stations operational and more on their way that horse has long ago bolted anyway. No recently built station has ever been decommission as a result of Green pressure - and none ever will

Let's move on and do what we can to ensure safe operation and proper public monitoring.

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Burnie
January 23rd, 2008

Im writing to agree with Brontie below.

I am very happy with the top three major concerns (reflecting my own selections). However, I too am worried that supporting and empowering the mentally ill features so low in peoples minds.

I have experienced someone in my life with a mild psychological illness (who, like Brontie, works part-time) and experienced the struggle of carers. Pension and carers payments are far too low and these vulnerable people are literally taken advantage of by Centrelink and the broader community. This situation exists to all our detriment.

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Tamu
January 23rd, 2008

Thanks to GetUp for running this - and to the 32517 of us who voted! To the person disappointed with the number of voters, remember lots of people are away from their computers at this time of year.

Luke I want to reassure you that because supporting disabled/elderly and carers etc wasn't in top 3, or even top 10, it doesn't mean people don't see it as important - indeed 57% of people thought it was very important. My mum cares for my dad at home (alzheimers) and she struggles, and couldn't 'manage' as well as she does without the state govt support she does get. So I rated this as very important. But it wasn't my top 3 - as someone else said if we don't reduce our impact on the environment, and come up with strategies to adapt to the change that is already inevitable given existing emissions, nothing else will matter. And I voted for prevention-focused health care (as a health professional) because that can help us all - including the elderly, disabled and people with mental illness, and Indigenous Australians. And the 'prevention' part of it has been missing for too long. I will support any action GetUp comes up with to support and empower the elderly, the mentally ill, people with disabilities, and their carers.

I do agree with others that perhaps in future the method of rating votes could be published up front - while people may or may not agree with the method used (pretty typical for any statistical process I have been involved in!) at least it means there can be no accusations of using a method that pushes someones agenda, as there have been, given two different methods were used.

And if anyone is still reading(!), Russell while I agree we can move ahead of any international agreements on emissions reduction etc those 'international food fests' have value - while Aus is the highest per capita emitter in the world there are relatively few of us, thus us eliminating emissions will do pretty much nothing globally. So yes we can (and should) set an example, but the international politics is really, really important.

And celticbedouin where are your manners?! There is no need to tell someone you disagree with to 'get over it' - surely a rational argument has more chance of convincing them (and anyone else paying attention) than confrontational head butting? (Although I agree it can make you feel a LOT better!) While passion is so rare and so needed in this world, agressive comments may induce some people to judge you as you have judged Pat. Then you can't act as an effective change agent.

Cheers
a nerd like David?!

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Pamandkeith
January 23rd, 2008

A minor comment: If Get Up has directed its effort at identifying/ranking policy issues for whole-of-Government action why not rank the issues (you "#") on the index (your "Mean") rather than just on Top 3 results? This comment is NOT directed at moving down 1 position "Respecting rights and improving the living standards of Indigenous Australians" but at correcting (slightly only) the nice logical approach which Get Up has utilized. Of course, different weightings could have also been used in the index but the linear weightings which have been used seem to be quite reasonable.

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Fi
January 23rd, 2008

Wow! I can't believe that protecting workers' rights is not up there at the top. I'm guessing people are feeling more secure now the new government is in. What do you think?

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Libe
January 23rd, 2008

Great job!

I have an idea that the whole country would benefit from. This will help maintain low unemployment, foster training in the building industry and consistently move towards a 56% reduction in CO2 emissions quickly and in an economically favorable manner. Please read below:

This opportunity is provided by replacing stamp duty on purchasing a property with the amount instead to be invested on improving the sustainability of each property in Australia.

Thus providing continuous, meaningful and viable progress towards a sustainable Australia.

Instead of spending over $11,000 on Stamp duty for a $350,000 house in NSW, that $11,000 would be spent by the purchaser on better insulation, solar hot water systems, rain water tanks, approved grey water systems, solar panels for energy production and other approved methods of reducing greenhouse gases and addressing water shortages.

All without increasing the cost of housing while complementing the solar panel rebate in place at the moment.
These funds will be spent locally across Australia with small and growing businesses that provide jobs, while providing a far better quality of housing saving considerable money on water and power costs.

While I know that stamp duty is a state issue, a Federal approach with strong leadership is required to provide a better result

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Jane Bellemore
January 23rd, 2008

Act against genetically modified seeds and products.

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Tracey
January 23rd, 2008

Your comment Wow! I find it gob-smacking that over 12% of respondents believed that remaining nuclear free was NOT important!!!!!! And yet those people talk about being environmentally sustainable? It's like being a little bit pregnant.

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Geoff
January 23rd, 2008

Thank you to GetUp (both organisers and grassroots volunteers) for all their hard work!
I must admit that I feel disappointed that human rights (eg. anti-terrorism laws, same-sex rights, and our appalling and shameful treatment of refugees and indigenous Australians) is not placed higher on Australians' list of priorities, but I am hopeful that these things are at least on the agenda and that through education and public discourse many Australians will become aware of the previous government's many failures in this regard and that they may become motivated to action. Human rights must be honoured or else all other priorities will be pretty much meaningless.
Good luck to GetUp in its efforts to make our politicians publicly accountable.
In the meantime, let's see if we can get the new government to say "sorry" as its first act of Parliament.

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inarrow
January 23rd, 2008

Congratulations to all participants. The result is an affirmation of all those who attended the GetTogethers.

Now let's see how the parliamentarians respond to the voices of the people.

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caratom
January 23rd, 2008

I still believe in the democratic way and I am so glad that getup provides me with a more direct way of getting my message across and to let all and sundry know what that is!!! Keep the momentum going!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jesse
January 23rd, 2008

I am really happy to see that education is in the top 3, becasue i feel that this is the most important issue alongside the environment. Because when you look at every single goal on that list, every single one of them requires an educated Australia. When we become uneducated we lose morality, understanding and compassion. If you look at the climate change policy. For this to actually take effect, we need educated citizens to understand their impact and educated specialists to think of ways of solving our emission problems and come up with a much cleaner solution. I commend every single voter for putting education in their top 3. An excellent decision.

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Martin
January 23rd, 2008

Well done GetUp - a great example of democracy in action. There is a critical component to achieving these worthy objectives that needs to be highlighted though - the establishment and maintenance of a strong and sustainable economy as a precursor to creation of social equity.

A wealthy country is far better positioned to both care for its citizens and be a responsible global player (it also invariably has greater ‘ clout’). These issues do not need to be mutually exclusive as some (from both ends of the political spectrum) would have us believe.

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Bojun Chiswell
January 23rd, 2008

Dear GetUp team,

As a journalism graduate, it saddens and worries me that "Ensuring Australians' access to diverse information and media (e.g. affordable broadband, ABC/SBS)" came last on the list.
Australia has the most controlled (in the hands of fewest owners) of any western democracy.

It seems that the population is totally unaware of how censored our media is.

The Howard government successfully muzzled the ABC by appointing a board of directors that were in favour of the Howard's right wing agenda, and curtailed the ABC's ability to gather news by underfunding it by over one hundred million dollars.

The Australian population is being denied access to 35 free-to-air digital channels because Murdoch dose not want free-to-air digital TV to compete with his pay TV, and the government complies.

We aren't living sustainably, providing our children with world class education, and have never solved the problem of indigenous poverty because we do not have a free and well funded national broadcaster to inform and educate the public.

Freedom of the press is essential to the health of a democracy, and while the people may not have chosen it as their priority, GetUp! is in a excellent position to educate people about the need to fight for a properly funded ABC.

Please make it a priority campaign!

Regards,
Bojun Chiswell

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PragmaticIdealist:)
January 23rd, 2008

Great job getup. Fantastic to see the response at a quiet time of year and the discussion about the results.

I must agree with phildeerhound about uranium. After decades of opposition, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that nuclear power is the only immediately available solution for the world. So we need to start looking at how we respond to this question with more complexity than a simple question about opposition and uranium exports.

And BTW, those who say "but Australia does not need nuclear" - perhaps true, but isn't the divide about countries and individual needs part of what prevents us from working as a single limited planet to operate sustainably. We need to work on the planetary solution not just ours.

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just one person
January 23rd, 2008

To the Getup team, keep up the amazing... and amazingly simple work... Decision making is not supposed to be hard.. especially in a democracy. = ]

A heartfelt thank you to the other people in the 71.1 percent who made environmental sustainibility a top priority. = ]

I don't see how we can claim to love another.. if we aren't willing to protect their home. Our home.

A single blue planet... this is all we have.

So let's stop plundering... we have our place on earth... right next to all other living things.

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Kenneth Mcleod
January 23rd, 2008

Brilliant, GetUp! What an outstanding job you're doing. Let's keep rebuilding grassroots democracy in this country that can make both our parliaments and the political patronage machines accountable to the people.

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TimK
January 23rd, 2008

How are we coming along for doing "Meanwhile, a small delegation of GetUp members - largely GetTogether hosts and attendees in every electorate in the country - is asking for a meeting with every MP in the country to deliver it." in Corrangamite?
Cheers
Tim

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Phillip
January 23rd, 2008

I support this concept and really don't want to question the outcome.

However the results provided look a like a political decision rather than a straight relfection of the views provided. I support the order they are in but think using two different selection methods looks highly like some one noticed that the third place was not what they wanted and found a way to turn it around and justify it later.

If the mean was used across the board it would reflect the mean view point. Obviously someone thought different. The problem is this leaves the result open to criticism instead of acceptance.

Affectively "Respecting the rights and improving the living standards of Indigenous Australians" came in fourth not third and this reflects very accurately the fact that Australians are very concerned about the well being and inclusiveness of our society. However the fact that a significant though not large preference was given to "Making high-quality, prevention-focused health care accessible to all" reflects that this issue effects ALL Australians including Indigenous Australians.

It was wrong to use a different selection process for the first three to that which was used for the rest and created a false (though not bad) reflection.

If the agenda is to be high jacked in this sort of manner in future I would have to call into question "Get Up's" true virtues and cease to take part.

I like the concept but it must be above reproach in its methods!

Regards,

Phillip

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just one person
January 23rd, 2008

We will continue to damage our home and threaten our very existence.... unless we change our ways of thinking. Not just our technologies, not just our political views... but our ways of thinking.

Our lives are continually becoming more and more unneccessarily complicated. We fill our lives with superficial ornaments and machines to mask our suffering...
Whether it be confusion, grief, anger or insecurity (only a sample)... it can be healed with effort, support and love.

There is only one thing in any part of human history that functions perfectly in its natural state. The natural world.

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jasper
January 23rd, 2008

The ENVIRONMENT was voted as the most important Priority by members .

GetUp has asked What can I do now to help make the People's Agenda a reality ?

Let's campaign Immediately , to adress the most Urgent threat to the Environment that we can actually stop happening , for once it's happened . . . there's no reversing it .

[ How Timely that the ABC showed Alien Invaders last night - a documentary showing the disastrous consequences to the environment caused by man's ignorant interference . Any Change in one part of the Web of Life will affect the whole of the Web of Life. ]

In February , Australia is about to allow a far reaching disaster to happen by saying Yes to Biotechology and Genetically Modified crops.

If GetUP members are serious about making our Governing Representatives accountable, lets tackle this issue immediately for the biggest threat toour environment and sustainable agriculture is right in our face .

Fortunately there are Representatives from Government voicing their opposition to this threat upon our environment

Let's add the power of our numbers to multiply the strength of what is being voiced by Senators and members of local
governments .

"A number of councils have already responded to the Victorian Local Governance Association to say they're very interested in staying GM-free. They have very serious and legitimate concerns." [ Source ABC News Jan 14th 2008 ]

In the same article it said that the group Gene Ethics is ramping up its campaign . Can we join forces with all who are concerned and protest as a unified whole?


Let's support Senator Siewert and others who are voicing

" The decision by the Victorian and NSW Governments to lift the ban on genetically modified canola crops is of great concern and one we believe the Rudd government should override.

This is a nation - changing decision being made by the two state governments. It has huge ramifications across Australia - the Constitution ensures that there can be no confinement of the GM produce to the states involved.

Genetically modified crops have not been proven to be safe and cannot safely be controlled. There are environmental, health and economics problems with lifting this ban. Issues include the potential for increased chemical usage, broad cross contamination, environmental weeds, the potential for pharmaceutical contamination, loss of markets and of particular concern increased immune and allergic reactions. For example in March 2007 tests on Monsanto’s maize type MON863 caused symptoms of poisoning and liver and kidney damage in rats. ''
[ Source http://greensblog.org/2007/12/01/lifting-the-gm-ban/#comment-2271 ]

Let's take these words and create an online petition and send it to all members ASAP !

32,517 members have just voted that becoming enviromentally sustainable was No 1 Priority , so let the 1st Priority on the People's Agenda be immediate Action in regard to stopping this irreversible disaster due to be unleashed in late February .

Let's make contact with the people at " Say No to GMO - Extend the Bans " . They have an online petition . http://saynotogmopetition.org/

Let's link up with all the other groups on their site concerned with this issue and suggest that as Members of Parliament have agreed to listen to Australian citizens, via the voice of GetUP , we ought combine our energy to demonstrate the opposition by a vast amount of well informed Australians to GM BioTechnology .

As the media [ Sydney Morning Herald and The Age ] have today [23rd Jan] , given coverage to the fact that GetUp are presenting agendas to Members of Parliament , we are in a position to make known the vast amount of opposition that exists to this imminent threat to our environment .

Time is of the essence ... February looms like the Grim Reaper . . . Let's Get Up and Moving !



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Sustainable Nuclear??
January 23rd, 2008

We have to stop taking things from the ground so ignorantly... we will probably never understand all the complexities of our planet...

What if oil reserves were supposed to act as a lubricant and a coolant for the tectonic plates that our continents sit on?? The fact is we simply don't know... even if we think we do... "knowing" something is dangerous.. because it brings about the assumption that it is right - and we stop questioning things. We become complacent.

The same goes for nuclear power - we have no idea why there is a concentration of uranium in the middle of australia.

We have to stop guessing.

Nuclear power may prevent further global warming... but what are the problems that we will face further down the track??

We simply don't know... and acting amidst ignorance is proven over and over to be dangerous.

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Edwina
January 23rd, 2008

Congratulations!!! Great process, great result!! Very impressed by GetUp's methodology & public engagement. A superb step forward for participative democracy & well focussed lobbying strategy. I'm on board!

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Shawn
January 23rd, 2008

I think the same principle used by "Sustainable Nuclear??" applies to the point "Jasper" is making about GM crops.

Genetic modification - we just don't know.

The natural world is the only thing that has been working perfectly (when we don't interfere) for as long as we have recorded history.

So why then are we still trying to control and manipulate it? I cannot think of any of our 'control-the-planet' schemes that has not yielded new problems.. even if we 'fix' our last mistake.

P.S. Keep up the great work!! (both the GetUp team and all the members who are restoring participation in our democracy).

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PragmaticIdealist:)
January 23rd, 2008

Sustainable Nuclear?? Good question but...

A Very wise physicist pointed out to me and others back in the 70's the complexity of all human energy endeavours. The idea we presented was that if we covered the centre of Australia with solar panels we could solve our energy needs. He pointed out that we would effect the transpiration and evaporation rates and produce a greener "desert" which would most likely cause a climate shift in the dessert and east coast rainfall.

Besides, the creation of solar panels is one of the most polluting processes we have.

What if large scale use of wind turbines result in a slowing of wind currents and effect rainfall patterns which further effects CO2 absorption in unexpected ways.

Nothing we do is guaranteed. We just need to act with as much wisdom as we can muster.

I for one do not want to go back to living in the grassy plains of Africa which is the only way to stop the human influence on the environment.

Nuclear does and will have problems. So will everything else. I just agree with Lovelock - we've just run out of time for alternatives.

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roger
January 23rd, 2008

Stop the GM now before Feb.when Vic and NSW approve GM crops.Too late to stop it once it starts and we will loose business from europe and japan, that has banned GM and wants organic.How can a organic farmer farm if a GM farmer is close ? Monsanto must be donating money to some one , just like they do in USA.

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Keith
January 23rd, 2008

Re Shawn+ "The natural world is the only thing that has been working perfectly (when we don't interfere) for as long as we have recorded history."
If Get Up action is to assist in sustaining Planet Earth (including the Human communities which WE must take into account as part of Planet Earth!), then we surely must also take into account a REALISTIC definition of "the natural world" and "perfect". Planet Earth is not a fairyland but incorporates many strong challenges, in both a physical and biological sense. Not to deal also with/manage these in a true best practices approach is simply giving open slather to those who simply wish to play politics!

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Guy
January 23rd, 2008

WAIT A MINUTE !

As I was expecting it is the topic that has been spinned most in 2007 that got 1st.
That is why my first choice was INFORMATION

As long as we have medias telling us ONLY infos suited to serve the globalists agenda ,WE CAN NOT CHOSE priorities in government policies.(because we have the wrong knowledge )

The vast majority of people DO NOT KNOW
What is the effect on our bodies and brains for consuming DAILY a poison called FLUORIDE. ?

What is the effects for consuming G M O's .? All our breads contain soja flour. Where does this flour come from ?

Babies who's brain is not yet completely formed ( a natural process) are injected with vaccine containing poisons one of them MERCURY a HEAVY METAL , WHY ?

Maybe these substances curtail our way of thinking...

Why is Diesel dearer than petrol when it cost half the price to produce ?
Why are we at war against countries that have nothing to do with 9/11.? No serious enquiry has brought to court anybody responsible YET..after 6 years

BUT.. In Afgahnistan where the Talibans eradicated poppy cultures BEFORE the invasion , we have now the BIGGEST HARVESTS ever( interesting ?)

WORSE popies plantations now are the new rage in Iraq .It sound as the globalists thinking says "cut down petrol production to rise the price and raise heroin consumption to shut people's mouth "(and brain)
As you would understand Knowledge is our BEST DEFFENCE

the leaders of GETUP ought to khow that !

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Peace
January 23rd, 2008

I think Einstein was quoted as saying that we should not use technology to fix a problem caused by technology.
For those that still think that nuclear power will help to alleviate the severity of global warming then they need to do a bit more research to get past the spin from the nuclear industry. A few easy sites are
www.wagingpeace.org and www.greenhealth.org.uk
www.feasta.org

Great work the Getup team lets all make 2008 the year of the great turnaround for Australia.

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Hercules Brabazon
January 23rd, 2008

Of course we all have different agendas and different priorities - but I would hope that at the core of our shared values was a commitment to make the country 'work'. not go to work -(we have do that as well) but function to the best of its capacity -ably utilising its assets for the common good. Part of my beef with the Liberal government was its continued reliance on TAX CUTS to act as foil for the greedy and self centred. Peter Costello not only managed to sell Telstra and a host of other national assets, he also 'Blew' 96 Billion in tax cuts in 18 months. I ask the question of Wayne Swan - shouldn't the next round of 31 billion be used to build the nation, not be frittered away at ten bucks a week on DVD rental and Skinny Lattes? Covered irrigation channels, natural gas rollout for regions ,public housing in the cities etcetera - we are going to get a lot of bang for our buck -and supply side fiscal stimulus for that sort of cash. I urge everyone in the run up to the budget to tell Wayne Swan DON"T DO IT> NO MORE TAX CUTS!The country simply can't afford to waste this money!

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BevSouthGippy
January 23rd, 2008

Q: Is 'Environmental Sustainability' going to be worded to explicitly include maintaining the moratorium against further introduction of GM crops?

I believe it should, because of: dependence on and unsustainable use of herbicides by GM growers; difficulties of containment/prevention of out-crossing; weed resistance; reliance on imported, patented seed; compromisation of our clean-green image and loss of lucrative export markets - to list just a few.

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Renate Sommer
January 23rd, 2008

Personally, I think we did really well in the order of importance of this Agenda. For those few who were surprised at this I say that unless the environment is cared for and stable then there may, in the future, be no time for solving the problems relating to the indigeneous peoples of this land, let alone the worker's rights etc etc etc. We will all have problems that will make the others pale into insignificance. Renate

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Sam Clifford
January 23rd, 2008

I think it's great that GetUp are teaming up with the CPD to put these ideas and goals together as a coherent policy. No doubt the ALP will want to take GetUp seriously with their shiny new seats and perhaps Xenophon and some of the more moderate Liberals can get on board (I doubt Fielding is going to support increased environmental regulation) and make these dreams a reality.

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Mark Davis
January 23rd, 2008

I must say that without strong moves to protect our democracy, any other moves are liable to be lost by a change in our "popular culture", and the politics that follows.
I want the environment and education to be so strong that we can address and resolve the issues to our planet, environment, climate, society and economy. BUT after the last government and with the constsnt pressure of the americanisation of our political processes, I feel that without adequate LEGAL protections to OUR AUST democracy, any gains could be so easily lost.

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Outburst
January 23rd, 2008

It's fantastic to get action on the top three, but so difficult to see that prioritising means other vital issues miss out. I agonised over my "top three" - almost all of the issues are issues that need vital action. I didn't put refugee policy reform in my top three, for example, but it's still an area crying out for change. wish we could see reform in our top ten!

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Maree Murfet
January 23rd, 2008

What you've done is wonderful and I heartily applaud the approach. I do however find it offputting to have a plea for donations every time. I feel a little annoyed when the wording re donations seems to imply that I'm not acting appropriately if I don't or can't donate. Would you be willing to be careful about implications in your requests for money?

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Lynne Frederiksen
January 23rd, 2008

We must act urgently to stop GM crops infecting our food supply. This is another way large corporations, eg Monsanto, Bayer, Dupont, can control us like puppets on a string, and all in the name of making huge profits for themselves. It is definitely not about solving any problems, but it will cause untold misery. If they control our food supply, survival of the human race is in grave danger. GM alters the DNA of plants and in turn, will alter our DNA irreversibly. Those who eat meat, eg beef, chicken, pork, lamb will not escape either as all these animals are feed grains. It will be like a cancer spreading uncontrolably through our lives. It will be the beginning of the end of life on this planet as we know it. Nature has the answer, why do we continually think we know better? When will we learn from our mistakes? Time will tell us the huge mistake unleashing GM crops into the food chain will be, so how can anyone tell us now that GM is proven to be safe? How gullible do they think we are?
What are FSANZ doing to stop this atrocity from happening?

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Ben
January 23rd, 2008

This is shaping up to be a well run campaign to tackle such critical issues, so great job all round!
I would, however, like to emphasise the points some people have already made about the importance of strengthening our democracy and access to information. As pointed out, these are priorties that lie at the heart of how all issues are understood and responded to by the public and government alike. I hope we can still put some effort into this area in addition to our very worthwhile three top goals.
Great work though, can't wait to play my part!

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Nickel
January 23rd, 2008

Donate if you can! If you truly can't then whatever!

If you feel guilty (maree Murfet) see a counsellor.

Money makes the world go around - I love the reminder to donate otherwise I would never get around to it, or remember that Getup needs funds.

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Judy
January 23rd, 2008

Some observations re the goals.
goal 3: If education again becomes manditory for all children and national health is achieved, some of goal 2 will be achieved, also goal 5 and goal 12. We have thrown money at these communities unsuccessfully in the past - we need to be more thoughtful in intervention, and recognise the huge differences in their geography, goals and needs of those still living in tribal communities. This may mean all Australians have to live under one law, to stop confusion in those expected to enforce it.
Goal 7: The American Bill of rights has many failings, the British system has failings also but has stood up better to time scrutiny. The Canadian system offers guidelines re the laws rather than a Bill which seems to work. Remember the Soviet Union had the most "democratic" written constitution... it didn't help them. Think and consider what we want to leave our children.

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Roger Smith
January 23rd, 2008

This People's Agenda is an exciting and significant step towards a real representative democracy and I would like to congratulate the GetUp! Team and EVERBODY who believes in their right to shape their future, for a job well done.

HOWEVER, it is in effect only a draft Agenda, for as Guy and Bojun Chiswell so rightfully point out, people make choices based on their personal knowledge which they gather from areas such as formal education, personal/historical observation, social interaction, meditation ect.

And if this knowledge, through no fault of their own, is incomplete, selective, inaccurate or simply unavailable then one could say that this is false consciousness.

Second, and just as important to realizing the goals of the Agenda, is to use the Agenda and other forums as a community dialog to help open other peoples minds to what might be missing in their knowledge base. I claim to know very little about some issues and that really scares me.

We live in the digital age and as I'm and Australian living in a non-English speaking country, I regularly use the internet for my research/news/information needs. Having recently returned to Australia for a holiday, I was beyond disappointed by what was passing as news and information in the main stream media. It actually felt like a trip to the movie theater. Maybe News Limited Corp. should change it's name to Limited News Corp.

You have to start asking yourself, are there better sources of news and information than TV, Magazines and Newspapers?
The difference between the above and a library is that they are run for profit BUSINESSES which will tell you what they think you want to hear, so as to make money. Too often they use fear to make us buy it.

Imagine a day when nothing happens.
No wars, no football games, no graduations, no car crashes, no kittens stuck in trees or good/bad weather...
Do you think they'd find something to print?
Maybe even make something up?

They can control what you know, and therefor what you think.

GetUp is an internet based community BUT..
Which company controls your internet connection and who owns/controls it for now? Heard of Web 2.0 yet?
or Ron Paul?
or the Gulf of Tonkin Incident?
Maybe not....

Get Angry, Get Righteous, Get Up!!!

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Alicia Flack-Kone
January 23rd, 2008

WEll done for all your hard work.
Any chance that early childhood education can be part of high quality (Child care AND preschool)?

cheers, Alicia Flack-Kone

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Devon
January 23rd, 2008

I was sorely disappointed that the real problem facing the world, overpopulation/overconsumption, was not mentioned in this operation. Perhaps it's too sensitive a question to be discussed? China is the only Government in the world to address the problem. Whatever we do about all these other questions, it will all count for nought when we go into meltdown because the world simply cannot sustain our appetites.Celticbedouin, Political Correctness is the premise that you can pick up a turd by the clean end...

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Peter
January 23rd, 2008

What can I say. I'm almost lost for words!

I can only say that "Guy" virtually said every word I would have wanted to say. I felt like I was writing his post...

It isn't everyday I come across someone who is awake to this level. Like a breath of fresh air. I'm sure I could bounce off you some additional home truths you'd very much appreciate also.

To bad nobody desires the truth these days... Cheers.

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Margaret Maddock
January 23rd, 2008

Been reading some of the comments. Couple of things people might be interested, in relation to information, there is a website called www.consciousmedianetwork.com which has interviews with people knowledgeable in a huge number of areas from all around the world. We have missed a great deal, as has been expressed, "Where Do You Get Your News From" is a primary query.
For those who would like to check the website, please be aware, that if you are only wanting to hear naice positive stuff, that makes you feel comfortable, you may get a shock. It not only talks about energy healing, alternative medical practices, sustainable architecture. spiritual development techniques, emotional balancing and such like, but also about the mind control techniques used by the CIA, the coverup on Extraterrestrials which has been occurring for more than 60 years, quaint ideas such as "Permanent War Economy", Global 2000 means the powers that be are working towards depopulating the planet, that since the introduction of the nuclear industry in 1945, (though there was significant information in the later part of the previous century) major illnesses such as diabetes, cancers, skin disease, learning disabilities etc have significantly increased, blah blah blah.
The bottom line, as GetUp and let's face it, at least 1/4 of a million people in Australia are aware of, it's up to us, and while we must push with all our communal strength to see Australia become an instigator for change on a global level governmentally, we have to do our bit as individuals in our actions, not just keep our mouths working overtime.
In regards Genetically Modified Foods - the reason they have been banned in Europe and Russia is because clinical studies have shown that within 2 or 3 generations, rats and mice begin producing birth deformities and defects, frequently fatal ones. Our DNA apparently is only 5% different from our little mammalian testing creatures. If GM foods aren't banned, then check your labelling big time. Let's face it, they said Thalidomide (hope that's spelt okay) was safe, even though in rats and mice tested there were clear indications of birth defects
It is up to us... As GetUp has shown, they can't ignore the people's voice. And as we must show, the changes we want can happen... because if we're using them and they work... bingo!
Sorry, this is a bit of a rave. Check out that website, and Be The Solutions.

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lee vardi
January 23rd, 2008

I would really like to see a groundswell and continual push for a "bill of rights" for the Australian people. Watching the American people having to deal with some incredibly evil Bush administration laws and continually referring to their constitution as a counter only highlights how important this "bill of rights" is and will be in days to come. It is a real concern to see a great nation of people fighting for decent civil liberties. Please give this matter exposure because I believe the Australian people need to become more informed as to what could happen if vigilance is not exercised. Exposure and free speech is vital to enable a Government to be held accountable.

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Mikedownunder
January 23rd, 2008

Congratulations on yr great work. However, I have one minor brickbat. The "Not Importants" should be SUBTRACTED, not added in your formula!

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Erika Ferguson
January 23rd, 2008

I found voting for my top 3 priorities difficult, as all the proposed agenda items are urgent.

In the end, the top 3 priorities I chose involved democratic principles, and government accountability. None of these items represents a big dollar cost to the government, but I believe that they are fundamental to building the kind of future most people would like.

Then, when it came to my budget submission, I asked that the money be spent on areas that the Howard government neglected, but which are necessary for our future: - such as education, research and health, infrastructure, including IT, and the environment.

I notice that a number of GetUp! members have raised some interesting and important single issues, such as G.M., the population explosion, and fluoridation, I would add that some REAL research into the causes of
* increased rates of breast cancer
* increased rates of prostate cancer
* decreasing sperm production in males (in a variety of species, not just humans)
* increasingly early age of puberty in girls
* increasing numbers of grossly fat people - despite the fact that the average fat, saturated fat & calorie consumption have all decreased
* the phenomenon of increasing numbers of fat kids
* increasing asthma rates
* increasing rates of ADHD, ADD, and autism.
I don't know whether or not these problems are interrelated: but I am sure that anorexic dieticians and the anti-smoking brigade don't have the answers. [That'll put the cat among the pigeons!]

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Andrew Swift
January 23rd, 2008

A great example of 'market research'.
Given the way the survey was run, I wonder whether order of importance should change after selection of top 3 priortities ? Looking at the list after this point based on the very important selection alters the list of 'next most importatnt' significantly.

However, playing around with stats is wrought with peril. You would probably want to give differnnt weightings to the differnt selections to come up with an accurate reflection of the next most important goals.

Anyway, good job

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Jim Killick
January 23rd, 2008

I'm making $10 per month donation now. How do I increase it to say $20 per month? I can't see this option on your payments page.

Jim Killick

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rainbow7
January 23rd, 2008

Keep up the great work you're doing! This is real democracy in action. It's good to know there are so many committed people out there.

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Robbo
January 23rd, 2008

I think the Not Important responses are the only possible registration of protest against something about each agenda item. Accordingly, whether or not these responses should receive an extra weighting in the calculations, they should at least amount to a subtraction, not addition to the calculation. I'd like to see more work done on analysing their significance. There are bigger differences in the relative sizes of the Not Importants for each agenda item than for the other importance categories. What do these mean? I'd like to see more nuance across the board. Some items are more controversial amongst supporters than others. How can that element be taken on board in future ratings of priorities? Otherwise it starts looking like a snow job (even if just a flurry!)

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hughesy
January 23rd, 2008

Yes - I'm with Robbo, in the sense that although 'remaining nuclear free' is way down the list, does that necessarily mean that people don't include that in their choice of 'sustainability' as the most important issue? It would be interesting to tease out that issue in particular. I rated that lower down my list, because I don't believe that the nuclear industry it is sustainable, environmentally freindly or ethical, but had no way of indicating that on the questionaire.

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Angus
January 23rd, 2008

I think it's extraordinary that the environment issues and sustainability came out so highly in the 'top 3' at a level that it has eclipsed every other issue by 30%..

What is also interesting is that there are no standout 'Not important' results..

Whilst I am a member of GetUp and I am thrilled to have been able to have added my voice on issues that are important to me I feel these results point to something interesting in a lack of a more conservative voice appearing here and there in debate within these blogs.

The best thing in a democracy is a debate and I hope that GetUp can and will be seen as broadly representative of the Australian voting public..

Keep up the good work Mr Solomon and team because it was thrilling to know that in the election we were effective and cut through the spin docs and message men!

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judy bourke
January 24th, 2008

congratulations GetUp team
it will be interesting to see how it all pans out in the long run.
the world is watching the process. We the people have our say.
i think just the process of the Gettogethers and thinking seriously about our issues is important

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Maryellen Flynn .
January 24th, 2008

i thought the result was great, much better than i expected.

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Julie E.
January 24th, 2008

All of these issues are very important, however, as it came in at # 11 it seems that people are not aware of the tactics used by the former government against asylum seekers. This was a very black mark on Australia's reputation and history. People were locked away in terrible conditions for years and years without trial. These people included children. This was one of the worst crimes committed by the last government and it must never happen again. The Howard Government acted like the Nazis, even calling it "The Pacific Solution" (very close to "The Final Solution") which it was for some people who went mad when imprisoned in this way. As I said, this MUST NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN and a law should be put in place to prevent it happening.

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Kelli M
January 24th, 2008

This is a great list!

Just one thing - in the 'short and catchy' sound bite version of the 'top three' GetUp lists "high-quality education", but the actual phrase included the VERY important qualifier "for all". The last thing we need is politicians telling us about how much extra funding they are going to give 'education' when too much of that funding winds up in the hands of an already wealthy elite of private schools (that continue to charge their parents fees, and quite frankly should not get government support because, I'm sorry, but they are *private*...)

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Matthew Fowler
January 24th, 2008

Dear GetUp!

Thank you, I am very impressed thanks to your encouragement & inspiration, I have sought through the www.sa.democrats.org.au/Election thus http://vtr.aec.og.au Kingston Campaign to do just that - GetUp! It was impressive to see that the Dems were the source for a lot of GetUp! material during the Campaign2007.

Last night the Onkaparinga City Council www.onkaparinga.sa.gov.au South Coast Community Forum met talking on the Port Stanvec Desalination Plant which it seems will go to trial with $3M already budgeted by our SA Treasurer to initiate a $15M trial and $1B reverse osmosis plant with ongoing maintenance, social and environmental co$t$. Do we really need it right now?

Great to have this GetUp! participatory democracy in action opportunity. A key aspect I found was how important it is to help others see the benefits of democracy and how they can have their voice heard and acted on. So many people do not yet realise their potential to effectively represent themselves to their respective elected representatives.

How can our politicians effectively represent us if we do not effectively represent ourselves? When did we last meet with our local, state & national elected representatives?

Matthew Fowler

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Kevin Cox
January 24th, 2008

To achieve a people's agenda you need a way for the people to change things. It turns out that complex systems evolve through small changes in simple transactions and interactions. Take a look at http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/145 to see how an ant colony operates without central control.

If you change the rules associated with how we perform simple bottom level transactions then the system changes. Some of the rules that getup could consider promoting that will make significant changes and help achieve the "people's agenda" are the following.

Pay people not to consume as well as charge them when they do consume and require people who receive the funds to invest in ways to further reduce consumption. (e.g. if you produce less green house gases than others then you get paid - but you must use the money you are paid to invest in ways of reducing green house gases)

Instead of giving money to organisations - like hospitals - to provide services give the same money to the consumers who pay for the hospital of their choice.

If money is borrowed to purchase an existing asset then require that the interest rate is higher than money borrowed to build a new asset. (eg a loan to purchase an old house has a higher interest rate than a loan to build a new house)

Require banks to transfer money instantly from your account to someone else's account when you make the request rather than you having to wait one or two days.

Reform community organisations like the ABC, and large corporations like Telstra and BHP by electing representatives who then appoint the board.

That is think to the ants and work out for each policy objective a way to achieve the objective by changing the way the people interact and transact. These changes in bottom level transactions will have significant effects on the operation of the total system. Resist the temptation to create complex rules and regulations that say how people are supposed to interact and change the interactions in simple ways so the system will achieve the desired outcomes.

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Brad
January 24th, 2008

First of Cheers for doing this!! Creating space for open discussion is a vital link in a country whose citizenry are proactive!
This last weekend, I attended a community forum using ' Open Space technology' - which is a great tool for community engagement, esp with larger groups..for those interested in learning more about it, just check it out on the web.
This is similar in ways to ' open space'..so well done.

I am an Aussie who lives and works overseas - yet I return home to Brisbane every couple of years..so my points of view & commnets come from that filter. I see the Australia that exists now..and it is very different then the Australia that was there, culturally 20 yrs ago and much of that change as been ' looking backward' in my mind.

One of the interesting things about the survery was how many of the topics are ' intersectional' - in that they interact and support one another.
A proactive health care system for all Australains, will by nature and necessity increase the health of indeginous populations.

A truly sustainable environmental policy - one that can be sustained for generations without harmful side effects..will by nature and necessity, reduce then remove nuclear power from its cycle..water management at all levels will be a part of that ( why we don't have water tanks in every home and covered pipes instead of open irrigation ditches is beyond me...and defers common sense..
)
No GMO foods would be allowed as we simply don't know the effects of them on humans...and it would limit the ability of our farmers to particpate in the global markert, where many, many other countries are shying away from GM foods.

By creating a Charter of Human Rights for Australian and its citizens ( similar to what we have here in Canada..).you will create a mechinism to address the systemic abuse of certain populations...and allow the system to grow and change over time, as society grows and changes.
It won't be a magic bullet...but it will be the best thing, a flawed human society can create.

One of the posts talked about reorganizing the systems so that the people can respond to them and change them - much like ant colonies do...is an excellent one.
Give people more control and ability to make their decisions..encourages diveristy, community strength and economies..no matter what they engage in. Every society that has truly flourished, had citizens able to influence and impact their lives at each level.

On my last trip back to Australia..I was so disheartned with what I saw in terms of a woefully, sad and fear based media reporting - and I thought the USA was bad at thise....shit, your news media could teach PHD level courses in ' filtering and managing your message'.
The huge gap between the ' haves' and the 'have nots' - and the dissaparing middle class ; the sad state of public health care and education in some areas...and of course the horrific way the Howard government treated any one other then themselves and those they saw reflective of who they were ( in other words,non white, non christian..non heterosexuals..) and how for the most part...I didn't see any outrage.
I didn't see any disconcern amoung the population..so many folks seemed to go about their daily business as if everything was OK.

WHich is why GetUp!! and the last election truly inspired me...and re-affirmed my belief in people.
This is only a beginning...keep up the great work, the dialouges, and the flow to your politicans...rebuild that which has been lost.
You can do it!!

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Craig Rickard
January 24th, 2008

Donations are fine ! - alternatively . . . . sell T-shirts

with the 'top three' on them and the 'GetUp' logo

I would have worn one on Australia Day!

(and any day . . . at the beach, shopping . . . .)

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Marilyn
January 24th, 2008

I remain very, very concerned that we may still have a government with a neo-conservative/neo-liberal free-market, free-trade agenda. Please stay vigilant that we don't have further erosion of public institutions. Too much has already been privatised and/or outsourced essentially gutting the public service of expertise. Private think tanks with conservative agendas hold way too much power.
I am especially concerned with education and the advent of paying teachers based on some untested measure of student improvement.

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Rach
January 24th, 2008

Great job folks!
Keep up the good work...

I wonder how indicative these results are of the 'demographic' of Get Up members compared to the majority of Australians. Misunderstandings still seem to mislead many, from all walks of life.

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Brian Hard
January 24th, 2008

Consider if the impact of those delivering any material to politians would be devalued by "also .. delivering the Agenda to all MPs electronically."?
Consider sending the material electronically only to those who are not to be approached by involved persons.
The material could at a later time be sent unannounced to politicians to reinforce the message.

I see the struggle for GetUp to not be a servant of the politicians. That suggests that GetUp could form the visions for our nation that politicians could be compelled to aspire to.

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tracerbee
January 24th, 2008

Environment and education - big winners! how cool that people recognise the importance of both! hope the government continues to get this message and FINALLY acts on it!

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Fiona Wiebusch
January 24th, 2008

Thank you for your prompt feedback from the poll - some interesting results!! I've never really taken an active interest in the political aims or processes of our nation but I've certainly been inspired by GetUp in recent months. Thank you for providing a forum for the voice of our nation!



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tracerbeee
January 24th, 2008

Some people might think that Alicia Flack-Kone's comment was a bit silly. However, if you look into the research, it has been shown that every $1 that you spend on Early Childhood Education saves millions of dollars in intervention, health care of mentally ill and imprisonments. Early Childhood Education should be included in the Education for all Policy.

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phildeerhound
January 24th, 2008

A major success on the part of GetUp has been to get us all thinking and talking, and seeking fresh and more accurate information. With the demise of the Howard government we can at least hope that there will be a re-examination of the manner in which media are owned and operated, freeing journalists to do their real job of accurately informing a functioning democracy

I would not like to see GetUp get bogged down in pursuing particular policies, rather I would like to see this fellowship of individuals pursuing the problems themselves, opening up debate into a large number of potential solutions and not only promoting particular ones.

One such example is the genetically modified foods debate. I see on this line emotive and doomladen statements on the lines of “we don’t know what the long term effect of these on our DNA might be”. That sort of statement is to my mind a half truth. To date we do know what the long term effects are, precisely nothing. We may need to amend our knowledge but many of these foods have already been around quite a few years.

This is not to say that I support GM foods. I try to avoid them by organically growing my own vegetables, and I would urge everyone with that possibility to do the same. Pull up the flipping geraniums , dig up the lawn and plant food; become one of those eccentrics who help preserve food varieties. Promote the opening of allotment areas on the same lines as these exist in Europe, cheaply rented and otherwise often useless strips of land, often alongside railways etc which people with flats can use to cultivate their own food

Home food production brings you in touch with realities of farming. As a child I gardened using insecticides and artificial fertilisers - using such items as the now banned DDT. It is difficult even with the best organic methods to ensure that the land produces the level of crop yield needed to sustain an overpopulated world - the recourse industrially is always likely to be to chemicals

We do know the long term damage chemical residues do – it is often devastating. In a world so desperate for food, GM technology may be both a viable and a more safe technology. Once again – as with uranium mining and nuclear energy the real keywords are regulation, public participation and monitoring and not the "feelgoodist" blanket banning of an entire technological approach

I am told that up to thirty thousand children may die each day of poverty related diseases and illness. I have seen the horrifying photos of these tragedies such as the dreadful photograph in which a vulture stands waiting next to a dying child

I don’t believe I have the right to block any research into food technology, any viable method of increasing the energy production on which most wealth is based with disasters looming amid entire populations. If I did so I would feel myself to be allying myself with genocide.

The great Luddites of Australia – the Howard Government - are no more, dissolved into nothingness like steam, blown away like smoke. Let's move on using the powerful GetUp weapon to attain a greater level of self consciousness and to enable a higher level of technological and social debate. Lets leave "feelgoodism" to the people it really belongs to – the ultra-Rightists and fundamentalists that the last Australian election rejected.

We can do better

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Longinthetooth
January 24th, 2008

The sentiment behind this initiative was brilliant, and Get Up can’t be thanked enough.

Many of the issues raised are already and obviously high on the Rudd Gov’t agenda. Hence, with these I think the electorate needs to maintain their high profile with a watching brief that Rudd is giving them the priority we think they deserve.

There are several other issues that are more closely related to virtues, values and principles. Such as poverty, fairness, justice.

Democracy itself is also on the list. It infers a lot about our feelings about the behaviour of politicians, their parties and the processes of Gov’t. The latter may be the abuse of executive power in its dealing with departments and their civil servants? Labor is no saint in this regard. It isn’t a party that is particularly democratic, eg, one vote one value does not apply. It doesn’t apply its own stated values within, such as fairness, justice, equality or democracy. So again there is a strong need to see that Rudd behaves better – the watching brief role.

It is one thing for organisations such as: business, unions, political think tanks, political parties, etc, to have a stated list of key words that supposedly reflect their values and principles, but quite another to know what they mean if, when, how, and by whom they are interpreted and applied. I think this to be vital missing link. These characteristics supposedly distinguish them from other groups. More than that they are the fundamental basis of their decision-making. Hence, from the electorates perspective they provide a level of predictability about the way decisions will be made and the priority given not just to current issues, but also new as yet unknown situations.

I’m not saying we should not have some specific targets and foci, but equally without a level of predictability, coming from a better articulated set of values and principles, it is very difficult to put our trust in politicians. Hence we become not just sceptical, but cynical.

Others here have spoken of not wanting to continue being critical. In that sense Rudd is giving an inkling of ‘vision’, but we need more. Historically, and not just in gov’t, great leadership has always been characterised by their ability to lead through ‘vision’. I want more of the picture of what constitutes a better Australia. I see a part of that must be rising to a reasonable level of affluence, but its needs some boundaries. Happiness doesn’t come from materialism, so lets see some vision from our leaders about what a better Australia would look like, if it isn’t, bigger homes, more cars, many toilets and plasmas per household, etc. This affluence needs to be more broadly shared rather than the Conservative Right view of helping the rich getting richer.

Climate change could be the initiative to really make us think deeply about what is important in our collective lives. As an example, although I don’t altogether understand why, Gov’ts seem compelled and driven by development and growth at any rate. In WA, business seems to be successfully lobbying Federal and State Gov’ts into believing that it is essential to employ further 000’s of new foreign workers, ie, we are not saying increasing permanent Australians, to fulfil the largely Multi National giants needs to exploit WA resources now, immediately. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that the current level of WA resource boom, is out of control and bringing as much trouble and misery to some, as it is bringing financial wealth to a few, together with shortcomings in infrastructure, service issues, leading to growing community pressure. Targeted development and growth for the benefit of all Australians makes sense, but bending to the whim of multi nationals doesn’t meet that criteria, its no less than rape and pillage of our grandchildren’s future.

When I left school, the office talk was all about reduction of the standard working week to 4 days, ie, 3 days for living. Instead it has actually moved the other way. The climate issue and its underlying premise of sustainability, needs us to reflect on those issues again. Comfortable rather luxurious lives, where our 3 days of living are not materially, resource and energy driven. Rather are based on community, relationships, stimulation, etc. The latter links many of the 10 issues.

In addition to making Get Up stronger, it is thus also critical in my opinion to get a better democracy framework, infrastructure and process in place, with appropriate monitoring bodies, measures of performance, openness to process and a media and academia that is not beholding to one or two moguls, to maintain the watching brief we need. To also raise a much broader range of issues that get real discussion and debate, not just 15 seconds of TV statement. One post raised the lumping of Nuclear power and Uranium mining together, classic example of the lack of debate about the fact that they are completely different issues, yet the pollies from all sides see that as a dead 2007 issue!

My conclusion is that the Get Up peoples choice of priorities are fine, but are already mainstream – hence need for watching brief – hence need for better media and better democratic process.

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Alan
January 24th, 2008

Your scoring system seems confusing and likely to give fuzzy results - a rank of 1 to 15 would have been better and in that it forced the person to self-prioritize the issues.

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Barrie
January 24th, 2008

Is the People's Agenda being sent to the federal oposition and state governments as well? NSW isn't doing too well with health at the moment, my daughter is finding it hard to find a place in a hospital for the birth of her baby, they're all booked out!

For me, human rights is a standout, a bill of rights would be on the top of my list of to-dos. The last government made me feel disenfranchised as a citizen, disempowered, vulnerable, threatened by laws that challenged my rights.

Finally, congratulations on a truly empowering people's movement, your campaigns and achievements made me feel that it is possible to have a free and just humanity here in Australia.

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Murrey Hughey
January 24th, 2008

It was interesting to see number 12 on the list "Supporting and empowering the elderly, the mentally ill, people with disabilities, and their carers" as the last government spendt a fortune marginalising them, and impressive numbers. So lets start there and get these good folks a real penision, that allows a bit more than just rent food and power.

All up maybe not in that order excellent work Getup Team and members

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Graham Vimpani
January 24th, 2008

I was too exhausted at the end of last year to participate in yet another round of polling.

My only disappointment in the objectives agreed to is a failure to support the importance of adequate investment in the first five years of life. Divisions between rich and poor in long-term educational outcomes and employment are laid down in those years and primary and secondary education only make the gaps wider.

Nobel laureate Jim Heckman, US pediatrician Jack Shonkoff have been prominent in arguing the case for significant increase investment in public investment for this age group. This includes things like targetted home visiting of disadvantaged, poorly educated parents from pregnancy through two years, 12 months paid maternity leave to improve attachment relationship between parents and children as well as encouraging breast feeding an important protector against later obesity, with attachment relationship between carers and young children being a key foundation of lifelong skill development, high quality child care (and monitoring of standards to ensure this), and access to preschool education for all.

Heckman estimates a lifetime return on investment through greater productivity of 17% per annum with this raft of services.

Fortunately the new government gets a lot of this, but has yet to bit the bullet on paid maternity leave where Australia and teh US are the only western countries not yet smart enough to get the message and embrace it.

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Ros
January 24th, 2008

The amount of people who thought a nuclear free future for Australia was unimportant scares me.

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Mrad
January 24th, 2008

It seems the nuclear question has been written off by most people here. While I am against nuclear power, (for all the usual reasons) in order to stem the flow of global warming I believe that we (unfortunately) may need to turn to nuclear power simply because the technology already exists. I am currently conducting research into solar cells that eventually could be used commercially, however I'm not sure that research can be completed in time (in my field or geothermal, wind power, etc.). Current green energy cannot provide a viable solution because realistically people (and governments) will not foot the bill for more expensive technology. I am by no means an expert in the field, but think that simply saying 'no' when the word 'nuclear' comes up may be a mistake.

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Richard Ure
January 24th, 2008

We are now getting to the hard part as GetUp moves on from the no-brainers, like ensuring existing, well-established principles are adhered to (e.g., David Hicks and habeas corpus). Even listing a number of motherhood statements (relieve poverty, heal the sick) is easy. But when it comes to priorities, most are going to cost money and lots of it. With that comes an easy excuse for politicians to sideline.

Consequently it seems useful to isolate those measures which cost the least (e.g., reviewing the impact of incentive pay to public servants on over-enthusiastic application of government policy) even if they have not ranked highly in the survey and then concentrate on those policies in the first instance.

But when we approach politicians, they are going to commend our interest and then start asking questions about what exactly we have in mind, in other words, the details ... where the devil is.

Is GetUp or, more particularly its members, ready? Previously, I have suggested GetUp establish a Wiki to be used to discuss the advantages and disadvantages of the solutions its members propose to the problems they identify. Every measure has a cost even if an opportunity one.

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Cindy Eiritz
January 24th, 2008

Partnering With Action Organisations

Perhaps the next step that Get Up could take is to 'officially' partner with organisations that are focussed on the People's Agenda issues. Get Up could encourage that we members become involved with and support these groups.

An example is the National Sorry Day Committee (www.nsdc.org.au). This inspirational group operates on a reconciliatory basis that upholds a positive partnership between Indigenous and Non-Indigenous Australians. Each State and Territory has established affiliated Sorry Day Committees/Networks.

Point of contact for information is Indigenous Co-Chair, Helen Moran (helen@nsdc.org.au).

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Flora
January 24th, 2008

Getup + new government = a new hope stirring in me.

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John
January 24th, 2008

The Gaia Foundation has over the last 21 years been involved in 611 diverse projects (not one of which has ever run at a loss). We have developed a very effective planning technique for making people's community dreams come true. It is based upon a 4 stage analysis of a project. For example, every project starts as a dream, but 90% of projects get stuck in the dreaming stage. Of those community projects that are effectively planned 90% of projects fail to work according to plan. Of those that get done as planned, 90% fail to last longer than 3 years. This is because they fail adequately to Celebrate, and Celebration is the process that links the Doing to the Dreaming, in an empowering fashion. On these statistics only 1 in 1,000 dreams come true.

To overcome these peopblems we have devised a number of participatory tools that assist in making 100% of your dreams come true. The principle one of these is a Karabirrdt (Noongar Aboriginal language for "spider's web") a Board Game that people come together and play, and whn complete the project is up an running successfully.

We would be glad to share these tools with Getup to assist you with successful implementation of "the People's Agenda".

For the Earth

John

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Toni K
January 24th, 2008

Thank you Get up and all the Australians who became involved in Getups work. This has been a very empowering process for me, in seeing that at a grassroots level, ordinary Australians can empower and inspire each other, to really work towards outcomes that we all value. I found the Vision Get togethers were valuable. I appreciated meeting the others, and can now see how other groups across Australia have voted on the same issues we valued. Thank you again, Australia and Getup.

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Isabel Dupuy
January 24th, 2008

Hi, My name is Isabel and I live in Alice Springs. I am an ex-Registered Nurse (9 Years), an ex-Massage Therapist (12 years) including lecturing/tutoring at Latrobe University Wodonga of Massage to Undergraduate registered Nurses for 3 years. I am passionate about Health and Mind/Body Medicine which is substantially researched scientifically and continues to be so. (EG; Candace Pert woman Scientist, who just narrowly missed out on the Nobel Peace Prize, for her research and findings including receptor sites for and the discovery of Neuropeptide Endorphins in the body, which many drug companies are using in conjunction with the Limbic System in the brain, responsible for emotions and behaviour.)
I am disappointed at the exclusion of the 4th goal that being high-quality, prevention focussed Health care for all. It has only narrowly missed out, obtaining a third of the votes for the top three. It gained a massive 55% of very important votes, way above the rest of the so called top 3. I do NOT to reject the top 3, especailly living in Alice Springs, but I do wish we could add the 4th as an equal 3rd. I feel by introducing prevention based (not vaccinations but perhaps having Massage on Medicare for example) Health care that it cuts across all age groups, religion, skin colour...it doesn't matter. All could benefit form this goal. Congratulations though on a fantastic exercise!!!

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Terria
January 24th, 2008

Climate change and sustainability rightly romps in as THE number 1 issue. Unless we address that we will join the endangered species list ourselves and all other issues will be redundant!
I was disappointed that GM did not make it on the top 10 list in its own right. It is too important an issue to leave to State Governments. Are Monsanto and their ilk greasing the Brumbys and Iemmas of our world?
For a balanced and informed view of GM Melbournians should come to a public meeting at the Hurstbridge Community Hall, 974 Hurstbridge-Kinglake Road, Hurstbridge on Wed. 30th January 7.30pm

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Geoffrey
January 24th, 2008

Thank you so much for the efforts provded by Get-UP members and the coordinated Get-Up Team. It is wonderful to know that there are other like minded people in Australia.

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Gus Johnson
January 24th, 2008

Excellent priorities, excellent participation. Get up is providing a means for informed, concerned people to get-together, and add an intelligent much-needed voice.

The federal Liberal Government acted responsibly in some specific instances but failed to reform generally inorder to make our economy and society sustainable. I resigned from the Liberal Party due to its unscientific and greedy approach- Irresponsible Economic Growth. It was beneficial that Get-up contributed indirectly to a change in government so my old party can do some much-needed soul searching.

Sustainability is not some nieve left wing ideal- its life-threatening and life-changing. With Global warming, extinctions and unproven/unsafe technologies like genetic engineering we must all speak up to avoid the selfish short-sighted dollar ruining our lives and the bio-sphere.

I salute Get-up and everyone who participated in this activity.

Gus Johnson
Health Professional
Ex-Member of Liberal Party of Aust

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Muso57
January 24th, 2008

Yep, they get the Muso57 BIG TICK of APPROVAL!

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Sue Thomson
January 24th, 2008

Congratulations, Get Up, for establishing this people's voice site.

I would like to request that child safety be a specific field of interest under the banner of preventative health. Graham Vimpani has also requested early childhood be given priority; I support his ideas. Numerous studies have shown that domestice violence, child abuse, and child neglect actually cause physical and permanent brain damage in the developing child (especially in the first 3 years of life) due to abnormal neural connections resulting from the stress these young children suffer. Addressing these issues must be a priority for preventative health and well-being as the brain damage creates life-long disability - an unnecessary and unjust affliction for innocent children born to parents who are unable to provide a safe environment for them.

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Sue Thomson
January 24th, 2008

Sorry, I forgot to mention a healthy environmental suggestion in my earlier posting.

I heard this suggestion on the radio: instead of spending millions of dollars improving our road network to accommodate ever-increasing numbers of vehicles driven by ever-increasing population growth, the government could spend those millions on providing "comfortable, convenient, and free" public transport to the point where people will be loathe to use the family car. The goal is to reduce national fuel emissions and consumption without it costing more money than the ongoing cost of building new roads.

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E Inall
January 24th, 2008

I consider tha population control should be given highest priority now, to avoid the inability of the planet to supply the food that will be required if no control is develloped

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Antz
January 24th, 2008

The world is coming to a crisis in terms glodal warming and shortages of water and increasing cost of oil may cause both instabillity and weaken our economy to a point where dealing with the crisis causes mass hardship on a global scale. That is our safe western life styles may suddenly start degrading into a dog eat dog scenario we have till now only watched others suffering on our tv sets.
All life is sacred and our lifes should reflect this not the casual greed with which we devour the worlds resourses.
We in Australia should be leading the world in the use of solar energy and our government should be a catalyst in the research and production. Precedents like Telecom for communications and the Snowy River Scheme show that much can be achieved when it is needed and that need is without question now.
I live in Central Australia and it would be great if the suns energy that falls on my car could be turned into power to propel and stored for the same purpose rather than merely making my own private green house effect each time I go to use it.
This needs to be top priority

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Sue Thomson
January 24th, 2008

I must object to Kelli M's comment (24/1/08) about our need to stop government funding of *private* schools. I'm not sure which schools Kelli is referring to as *private*. However, I do have knowledge of Catholic school funding which I believe Kelli needs broader knowledge about.

Get-up members have generally voted in support of affordable education for all Australians. Children attending catholic schools are Australian citizens whose parents pay their taxes the same as everyone else. Those children are entitled to the same level of government education funding per capita as that given to every other child in Australia. The only difference is that Catholic schools provide religious education as an additional subject in their curriculum; this specific subject is not government funded or subsidised (nor should it be) and teacher's wages and resources for this subject must be additionally funded by parents. Parents are willing to fund this extra expense because they believe it is helpful to their child's wellbeing ... much like how many parents pay a lot of money for their children to be involved in weekend sport because they believe it is helpful to their child. Catholic schools have saved the public purse a lot of money for many years by providing land and structures paid for by church people rather than the government. Eliminating government funding of catholic schools would force all catholic schools to close and require the government to fund 100% of the resources required to educate all those extra children. Do you really want all children totally supported by government money, Kelli? It can easily be arranged but how will that benefit Australian society?

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candy raymond
January 24th, 2008

Well done folks,
Quoting Mahatma Ghandi ( approximately) " You can tell the ethics of a Nation by the way it treats its ANIMALS". Please, please, can GetUp and all who sail with her, join this year with our various Animal Welfare & Animal Liberation organizations to further demand that our Nation legislates to massivly improve the welfare and ' attitude toward 'all animals'? There's little that's cogent in being progressive for the well being of one species only ( that being we, the human animals) whilst leaving the other species behind. A mature Nation treats ALL it's animals humanely and sensitivly!!! Please, can Get Up et al help Australia MATURE in this way too,by putting this agenda on the GetUp petitions to ministers as an adjuct to and in conjunction with the work of the relevant Animal Welfare lobbyist associations.

Our Nation has produced progressivly more and more appalling figures on child abuse and neglect. Truly, There is a correllation between the attitude of obligation and care of both children and our equally vulnerable animals. A state of mind and education ( not to mention a National ethos) that allows It's animals to be abused & neglected fosters such parrallell neglect & abuse of it's Children. It's all part of the one educational agenda. Supporting relevant organization's push for legislating to protect ALL vulnerable and voiceless creatures , sends a coherant message of expectation to our citizens. You will never find the change in attitude necessary to cure the one ill ( child abuse & neglect) without addressing the attitude to the other. This is truly a political issue, in that the message our leadership sends out can change minds and outcomes.

This is a job for Peter Garrett as Minister for the Environment. Our children AND our animals ARE our environment and changes are urgently needed. Contact Peter Garrett to ask that he put Animal Welfare reform on his ministerial agenda;
Peter Garrett can be emailed on: Peter.Garrett.MP@aph.gov.au

World Society For Protection of Animals can be reached on phone # 0299028000 ( or google WSPA). Ask them for contacts for other, Nationaly based groups.

"Animal Liberation" can be contacted on phonE # 0292126253
(Elizabeth St. Surrey Hills,Sydney). They too can point you in the direction of other National animal welfare group's contact information.

Cheers
Candy Raymond

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Paul Palmer
January 24th, 2008

Sue Thomson the fact is you are double dipping into public education resources’ and that means parents who send their kids to state schools are subsidising your commercial choice to send your kids private. By all means send your kids private but you and you alone can pick up the tab for a choice that is not available to all parents. There are plenty of vacancies in state schools to accommodate all those who attend private schools, true they are not located in salubrious neighbourhoods. They don’t have fantastic playing fields and certainly not swimming pools but they can provide a desk and a chair and I can guarantee they will be no teaching of pseudo science commonly described as religion!

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Richard Ure
January 24th, 2008

Paul,

What would you say about double dipping if it were to be shown that public funds per pupil from both levels of government in state schools was higher than the same figure for non-state schools?

Who would be double dipping (or not dipping) then?

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michelle bates
January 25th, 2008

With such big competing issues, empowering & supporting people who experience, ageing, mental health or disability, & their carers, needs our constant focus and action.
Compassion & empathy, especially from those of us who are not so frail, have abundant resources of strength,
good health, vitality & energy, with a life direction, connections, valued roles and a plan for life, must ask ourselves what we would do and what support would we want for our mother, son, brother, friend.

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Jesse
January 25th, 2008

Wow Sue Thompson i can understand your point of view, with some catholic schools needing government funding. But i can definatly see Kelli's validity. For example Geelong grammer is a very very rich private school in victoria in which some parents pay $17,000 every year to have their children attend that school. Geelong grammer also receives roughly 1.5 Million dollars every year. Then there is a government school in central victoria Kyneton Secondary College. They will receive around $450 dollars in student fees each year, providing the parents actually pay that fee. As it isnt compulsary to pay. And on top of that the school receives around $900,000 to 1 million dollars per year. Now i simply ask how is education fair in this country when schools receiving massive amounts of tuition fees as well as government funding which allows for the most expensive and amazing facilities a school can offer. Compared to a government which has a science building that was built in 1953 and can't afford to upgrade the building because there isnt enough funding to do so. Education should definatly be available to all Australians but it should also be quality education no matter where you go.

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Straylight
January 25th, 2008

Richard Ure and Sue Thompson,

I have to go with Paul Palmer and Jesse on this one, government funding for private schools, be they religion based or purely secular, is wrong.

The catholic church is one of the richest organizations on the planet, they could melt down a few of their gold crosses and provide their own funding, but no, they choose to take money from the parents (sometimes very poor parents). That's that organizations choice and the choice of those parents if they want to inflict that particular brand of stupidity on their kids.

Parents that choose to send their kids to private schools, also have that right, but with it must go the correct cost, those schools are privately run businesses and should receive no government funding whatsoever, beyond normal business deductions.

It's wrong to suggest that funding for private school kids somehow relieves the public system of that cost, that's demonstrably wrong. As Paul pointed out, there are vacancies at a lot of state run schools, that's infrastructure and maintenance costs that have to be borne by the public purse for an underused resource. Therefore funding private schools is a double cost in some sense.

Another hidden effect is with teachers, as a lot would have been seduced by the higher (public purse supported) wages paid at private schools. Some of these are very good teachers, ones that have many years of experience, that the public system cannot afford to pay at an appropriate level, so they move to the private system. Thereby robbing the public school system of it's most important resource, which the rest of us subsidize via taxes.

Redirect all these funds to the public system, be it preschool, primary, secondary or tertiary and all of us will benefit, not just those that can pay!.

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Dina Barros
January 25th, 2008

I'm glad to read that despite these ratings you will still see ALL the issues as vital. Priorities change depending on perseption of how the government is handling the issues. For instance, if trends continue and we loose more and more liberties, issues 7,9 & 15 may become top priority and when oil looks like reaching $200 a barrel, 8 & 14 will be in the forefront.
Keep up the good work.

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phildeerhound
January 25th, 2008

Here is a simple suggestion to radically reduce car emission damage.

Using a French design the largest vehicle manufacture in India is pressing ahead with vehicles that run on compressed air. Zero pollution

I run two cars. My wife drives approximately seventy kilometres every day - I drive considerably less both days

Both distances are well within compressed air vehicle range. The air could be compressed using a compressor powered by photovoltaic roof panels or wind generated electricity.

The system is perfectly viable. It is attractive to me because it would cut my fuel costs by more than about seventy dollars a week, including weekend driving - the saving would easily finance a short term loan for the air compressing equipment

That would take two petrol driven cars off the road in my family and possibly three over the next two years, my son being of driving age. How many others are in the same situation - we could get hundreds of thousands if not millions of petrol and diesel vehicles off the road in Australia alone.

What stands in the way? - it seems lack of investment and sitting on production licenses

Compressed air engines can run silent dynamos thereby providing simple domestic storage possibilities for photovoltaic, other solar and wind power plant - thereby bridging calm weather and night time

Urgent implementation of an existing technology is all that is needed. Tax breaks such as extremely low registration fees and combined insurance policies so that the vehicles can be used for all short range use would greatly assist. (An insurance token that fitted into a mobilisation key would ensure only one of the two insured vehicles was used at a given time.)

Let's talk solutions rather than "policies" and campaigns, guys

Out there they ARE listening to us

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Richard Ure
January 25th, 2008

Straylight,

Sue has already made the point. Remove all funding from non-state schools and stand by while non-state students head towards the state schools as is their parents' entitlement. If you think resources per student in the state system are low now, watch this space!

You say: "Redirect all these funds to the public system, be it preschool, primary, secondary or tertiary and all of us will benefit, not just those that can pay!" What is more important, total resources for the state schools or resources per student? Who would be the first to complain if there was standing room only in the class rooms given there are demountables now.

in the US, state schools have a much larger market share than they do here. Are their standards to become our expectations?

The SES system of funding was fair and objective, but the Liberal government had to distort it in favour of the least needy schools and despite those schools failing to deliver on their being expected to temper their fee increases to their extra grants. Labor has me-tooed on this policy, at least for the time being.

Because state aid has been a controversial issue, probably since federation, it is probably destined for GetUp's too hard basket.

But this is another example of why GetUp needs a wiki to gather evidence to back up statements like "melting gold crosses" could apparently finance free education in catholic schools, presumably world wide. And if "there are vacancies in a lot of state schools", perhaps the discussion should turn to why? given spaces there are, more or less, free.

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Shaunie P
January 25th, 2008

What is wrong with every one!!!
These results are atrocious and show that people are not really thinking about the issues that are going to affect us both now and into the future.
Yes!!, it's great that the Environment issue was voted as one of the BIG THREE, but I really thought the people involving themselves with GET UP would be wiser that the apparent mainstream, but obviously not.
DEMOCRACY, does anybody actually know what it means?
If we, the people of this country, can not properly control our democracy, the government will do what they want, when they want, with no regard for what we want and need. So then we may as well forget all the other stuff, because we will remain the puppets with the government pulling all the strings.
All the issues in this campaign will never be resolved unless the people control the actions of the government as is their DEMOCRATIC RIGHT.
I'm shocked.

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Valda
January 25th, 2008

I can't believe that "Protecting our human rights and civil liberties (e.g. Bill of Rights, anti-terror laws, same-sex rights)" is number 7 on our list of priorities. Surely the suppression of our Australian freedom is currently being undermined in the name of "law and order", by keeping us all alarmed about terrorism. Laws in this regard are supposedly made to protect us. We are accepting these new 'terrorism laws' by embracing obedience at the expense of our freedom. If it is true that there is more chance of being killed by using ladders than there is of being killed by terrorists, why are we risking our freedom, and maybe even the right to personally choose (in the future) to use a ladder?

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Samuel
January 25th, 2008

THanks to Get up for doing this for Australians, this is a really good thing.

But I really do think that we should be more concerned about the welfare of indigenous aussies than over where exactly our education funding is going to, or the situation our affluence is creating in the third world, most of the world cant access education and we spend so much energy complaining about ours. I am a yr 12 student at a fairly poor school in Wollongong, at the end of last year my chemistry class was told that we would have to rely on the teachers notes because the school cant afford enough textbooks. This sort of thing happens all the time, but to be honest I would rather that money go to aid for the underpriveliged who can hardly eat. While I get this fine (thats not sarcastic by the way, we really do have preetty good schools) education for free.

And sometimes I think the issues with public schools often have to do with people having problems with the religions involved, to the person below who referred to it as pseudo-science, your prejudice does not make you cooler with everyone. On that debate, I went to a private school during my primary years, and the public school I am at now is actually of a much higher quality and receives more funding (does have more students however, I haven't done the math)

Keep the discussion going, it is the first step to action.

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Paul Palmer
January 25th, 2008

Richard Ure, to put it bluntly, how could anyone expect in fact demand, that their children should have a higher quality education at the expense of children whose parents are lower income earners? And then demand that these low income parents pay the cost through taxation to fund the private education (commercial decision) of high income earners. Richard Ure where do you think the funds for private schools come from? The bulk of these funds come from socio economic groups who could never afford to access private education. Contributions from higher income earners is minimal because they avoid paying taxes by use of trusts, salary sacrifice, negative gearing. Donations to private schools are tax deductable so again paid for by taxpayers not to mention capital grants to private schools for swimming pools and gyms on top of yearly grants for recurrent expenditures.Richard Ure the state government has sold public schools to private education interests, so I think there is plenty of scope to accommodate far more students. There are plenty of portable buildings.
Samuel it is appropriate to define religion as a pseudo science because religion is not based on scientific facts. It’s not prejudice; prejudice is when you are denied the equal opportunity to participate in society on the basis of race, religious beliefs, gender or sexuality. Criticising funding of religious schools is part of the democratic fabric of Australia.

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more details
January 25th, 2008

It would be interesting to have had this data broken down by age and/or income brackets, or to have the GetUp membership demographics known, so that we can see "who" of the population is in this group. I wonder things like whether a high proportion of students or parents would sway the results to focus on education, or a high proportion high income earners something else... did people think more about "me" or about "us"?

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Freedom and Truth
January 25th, 2008

Valda is so right

"I can't believe that "Protecting our human rights and civil liberties (e.g. Bill of Rights, anti-terror laws, same-sex rights)" is number 7 on our list of priorities."

if we have these the others will come easer. I'm studying common law and learning our rights via the Australian Constitution, all those repugnant laws don't burden me no more, I have regained a lot of my freedoms. For the average ozzie those repugnant laws of Anti-terror ect, they don't know how to defend their rights so we need curtain legislation put in place to regain those rights.

www.upmart.org for more info

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Geoff
January 25th, 2008

Your comment
We have spent several thousand years learning how to think and survive both as an individual and as a member of one society or another. If we are not a social creature, then we are an 'antisocial' creature and that's bad. But the 21st century is calling upon us to add the burden of being a global creature in addition to being a social creature with a personality. P'raps the results of this survey suggest that we as a species are developing a global identity because a social identity just isn't enough anymore. Maybe.

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s nomoa
January 25th, 2008

I find it difficult to believe that protecting workers rights come as low as 9th out of 15 and remaining nuclear- free came second last

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Quill
January 26th, 2008

Great work Get up team! I only wish that Genetic Maniplation could have made the list as I feel it is a huge and crucial issue. Many states are looking to lift the ban next month and once that happens there will be no turning back. there will be no way of stopping non-GM crops from being contaminated from cross-pollination and we will lose our right to choose not to buy or consume it.As well as great trade with countries who want to buy non-GM. As it stands now there is littlt Government control on food labelling so a lot of what we are buying now in the supermarkets already have GM ingredients, without having to state it on the label. How then can we trace back any possible allergies or side effects from consuming it if we dont know we are. There needs to be more research into effects on the food chain and consumtion of Genetically modified foods. Please try and get the Government to keep the ban on GM crops at least until we know more.

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Whoopi
January 26th, 2008

Thank you very much for that compilation, very interesting to read.

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dazza
January 26th, 2008

Let's be candid. Anyone can come up with a convuluted mathematical formula to support a set of what is little more than predetermined end results. The raw and unmanipulated data shows an entirely different order of priorities. Get on with it - without the mathematics.

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Roger Richards
January 27th, 2008

Thanks that is excellent. they are all important including #15 Without being a properly informed community we cannot make correct decisions. The ABC and SBS should be better funded Radio National should have more indepth environmental programs in line with supporting #1
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Roger Richards
January 27th, 2008

Thanks that is excellent. they are all important including #15 Without being a properly informed community we cannot make correct decisions. The ABC and SBS should be better funded Radio National should have more indepth environmental programs in line with supporting #1
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Jlo
January 27th, 2008

Hey Get up team, thanks for your great work and prompt and timely action again and again. I think the People's Agenda is fantastic and just want to remind everyone that
1)no process/methodology is ever going to be perfect.
2) for every agenda item you feel passionately and strongly about there will be someone else feeling the same way about the one before or after.
Lets not get caught up in the specifics and be happy that we have so many people who ARE passionate and interested in the issues that affect our country and our people. Lets be glad we have an opportunity to be engaged in something like Get Up that really is a people's movement. We just need a place to start, but all items can be tackled at some point if we maintain our momentum.

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jasper
January 28th, 2008

GetUp posed the question - WHAT CAN I DO NOW TO HELP MAKE THE PEOPLE'S AGENDA A REALITY ?

As well as donating money........ can i/we then implore GetUp to set up a FORUM on this website.

The whole purpose of GetUp is Clear Communication.

GetUp exists - to remind Members of Parliament that they are employed to serve the wishes of the Australian People and

GetUp is - the medium by which the People Communicate their wishes.

This website is a medium for Communication .

Although Blogs are adequate for generalized comments and statements of appreciation . . . GetUp members can not Communicate effectively via a Blog .

If we read the 143 responses to the latest survey / People's Agenda , we will see that this Blogformat does not allow people to follow a Thread of conversation on a particular issue .

Meaningful communication arises from participants being able to follow the 'Thread ' of the conversation .Setting up a FORUM would facilitate this .

The most effective Forums on the Web have clearly defined sections which allow a person to submit their post in the Relevant section .

GetUp has the combined energy of 238917 minds . Can we set up a FORUM so we can put our heads together in the clearest most coherent manner possible for if we're stuck with just Blogs... we are disempowered .... and are at risk of the disorder born of a 'rabble of disconnected voices ' .

GetUp have said they identify ''campaigns based on the interests and input of our members '' .

By converting this Blog to a Forum , we could allow members to contribute to the area/s they're interested in .

Here's an idea for making a Forum . All the issues in the Survey are covered .

However the first Section we need in a Forum is where members can post a " Newsflash '' . The staff of GetUp can't be expected to have a pulse on everything that's happening . If it hasn't come to their attention for example that GM biotechnology is about to be unleashed or that Indigenous Highschools in Victoria are facing closure. . . . . a member who's onto this urgent News , can notify GetUp members via the " Urgent News " section of the Forum . ...eg . . .

Urgent News ~Take Action .
-------------------------
Some State Governments have lifted the GM ban .
Take action now to stop this as Time is critical . Go to ' the Environment ' section for discussion and links.

The other sections provide space for members to operate as a Think tank and discuss issues. Survey issues have been put under section headings ,though there are other alternatives that members could suggest.

Human Rights. Issues of law
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Discuss government accountability, democratic participation

Workers' rights Bill of Rights, anti-terror laws,
same-sex rights

Combating entrenched poverty and narrowing the divide between the rich and the poor

The Environment
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Discuss threats to mineral/plant/animal life . [ forest clearing , GM biotechnology , desalination , dredging the Bay etc]


Energy Systems .
Manmade Order
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Discuss polluting versus clean sustainable energy systems . [ coal ,uranium , solar ,wind etc]
Community infrastructure and planning (e.g. public transport)

access to diverse information and media (e.g. affordable broadband, ABC/SBS)


Health
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Discuss improving the living standards of Indigenous Australians

Making high-quality, prevention-focused health care accessible to all

the elderly, the mentally ill, people with disabilities, and their carers

Education
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Discuss Making high-quality primary, secondary, and tertiary public education accessible to all Australians
Minority groups & the disadvantaged [ eg Indigenous schools threatened with closure in Vic ]

Humanitarian Issues
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Discuss Withdrawing troops from Iraq and urging the USA to change its approach to the ‘war on terror’
Becoming a good global citizen (e.g. overseas aid, UN, global poverty)
Reforming refugee policy (e.g., ending mandatory detention)

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The behind the scenes staff/core team of GetUp could check the Urgent News section . . . then go to the appropriate section of the Forum that is discussing it to evaluate the Priority Of Urgency and consensual support for the Issue.

It seems imperative that Issues need to be defined in Order of Priority . . .and
be defined as issues which have either ; - Immediate or Longterm ' Solutions ' .

eg. An Immediate Category is - Campaign against the unleashing of GM crops come February - Prevent now for there is no cure/solution - it's irreversible.

A Long term Category is - Campaign about the Environment. Ensure Government implements switching to safe, sustainable solutions.
[ eg. GetUp's campaign re Kyoto agreement - global warming, toxic emissions etc ]


If an Organization is only as effective as its power to Organize [ make Order] . . . then GetUp needs empower itself by reOrganizing its Website which is the prime , central hub that facilitates its existence .

Please GetUp members ... we know there's so many issues that are important . . . but there's a need to Prioritize and to make this possible ~ we need the means to do this .

Please post your opinion about the need for a FORUM - ASAP







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Ben
January 28th, 2008

A GetUp forum and/or wiki is incredibly important for us to have, though I think one is in the pipeline already (hopefully)...can't wait til we have our website overhaul, i think there will be a big improvement :-)

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Guy
January 28th, 2008

As I said in my previous post (2)INFORMATION is a must before we can pretend to offer choices or solutions to anything.

PragmaticIdealist:) has claimed that solar energy is also poluting and He dos not discard nuclear. This is typical of false rumors CONFUSING people's ability to choose .

It is important to remind people that an atomic reactor is
only a BIG KETLE all it does is BOIL WATER of which the STEAM is used to propel a turbine

We can make at a FRACTION of the costs a solar FURNACE (a dish reflecting the solar rays)that produce a temperature above 2000 degres this is more than sufficient to RUN ANY TURBINES with no complicated technology nor wastes

Every towns could have it's own ,reducing the need for vast grids as is the case now .
This would make electricity DIRT CHEAP which would allow for charging batteries in industrial quantity stored by "petrol "stations for quick "swap" instead of filling (non existent tanks ) in ELECTRIC CARS

There is also a simple system that produce electricity by sliding an iron rod through a coil.
English scientists have made a large model which laid floating in a tube over the sea produce electricity by the motion of the waves NO COST NO POLLUTION.

ONCE AGAIN ATOMIC ENERGY IS UN NECESSARY !
Supporting it is indicative of vested interest or ignorance

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jasper
January 29th, 2008

GeteUp says " we are planning our campaigns for the year ".

With the lifting of the GM bans , it was obvious last December that our first Campaign for the new year ought be adressing this issue because of the February deadline. Why ?

Because unleashing Genetically Modified Organisms into our ecosystems poses a huge threat to the Environment, which can not be reversed .

Our Green Senators and many local MP's are saying -

"The decision by the Victorian and NSW Governments to lift the ban on genetically modified canola crops is of great concern and one we believe the Rudd government should override."

This gave GetUp 2 reasons to Campaign intensely about GMO's.

GetUp says it exists to " hold politicians accountable on important issues. "

Can we reinforce the MP's who advocate -

"This is a nation - changing decision being made by the two state governments. It has huge ramifications across Australia . "

The Environment was voted No 1 Priority by our members .

This is the 2nd reason why the team at Getup need be Campaigning this issue .

GetUp's Director Brett Solomon said “New technology has given Australians a whole new way to influence the political and social landscape they operate in. Now it’s up to us all to use it to best effect.”

Then let's do it. Lauch an online Campaign -
Mail out the Petition !





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Merlin
January 29th, 2008

Many of our MP's are asking that the newly elected Government listen to them on the GMO issue .

If they are asking the Government to be accountable , then GetUp ought be campaigning on this
for this is the whole purpose of GetUp .

Go to GetUp Promise Watch http://getup.org.au/promisewatch/archives/691

See the promise of the Rudd Government - November 6 . 2007

- Rudd Labor Government will ensure that genetically modified (GM) crops are not released unless
there is whole of community consensus for their release .......

When GetUp liases with MP's before Parliament resumes , they ought announce that this Promise
has been broken . Some Premiers saw fit to lift the ban despite massive opposition from many areas .

Although GetUP received a request on Dec 7 to take action about this [ see Response in Promise watch ]
and other members have also urged that GetUp tackle this issue - weeks have passed with no response .

Can a GetUp staff member make an Announcement as to whether a petition is about to be launched. ?

Although I too see the need for a Forum, more urgent is the need for GetUp to make its position clear
on this highly important issue .

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Sparky
January 29th, 2008

Very thrilled and pleased to see the huge support for all three top priorities.
A wonderful response. Let there be Light.

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RonH
January 29th, 2008

Goal 11 includes "ending mandatory detention" and that is an evil that must be ended before we do anything else!

I wonder how it is that some 30,000 active participants ignored the redress of such a fundamental human rights issue.

Are these "active participants" being manipulated or manipulating??

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Mademarian
January 30th, 2008

It is brilliant to see that the environment and sustainability got the top spot, let's face it, if you look after the environment and social justice, the ceonomy will take care of itself. The environment is the only real issue that we can do anything about, we all need to take small steps in our own lives to ensure that environmental sustainability is a reality for all and to make sure we have a future to look forward to.
The right to an education is an issue that is particularly close to my own heart as I have spent the last few years studying full time and it has cost me all of my resources, I now have some excellent qualifications, and am armed with a broad knowledge of most things environmental, but am now so poor and exhausted from the effort of trying to survive while studying full time that I have little energy left to get on with the job of saving the world and all its precious inhabitants.
thanks go to GetUp for keeping me informed and up to date with all that is important, without your brilliant organisation I would have not felt as if I were participating in a democracy over the last few years so keep up the good work, lets continue to GetUp, StandUp and be counted.
Marian

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Taisha B
January 30th, 2008

Having looked at the comments posted I must say that I fully support GetUp! taking immediate action on GMO as a high priority, given impending deadlines. A petition would seem imperative and would be well supported.

I suspect the nuclear issue rated so poorly due to putting two different policy areas together: the need for nuclear reactors in Australia and exporting uranium. Whilst we Aussies are fortunate enough to have other sources such as geothermal technology, solar, wind etc that can meet our needs not all counties share our good fortune. As much as
I could wish no-one used nuclear reactors the fact is they do and it *may* be preferable to building more coal powered stations.

Finally I fully support the call by members for a forum/wiki to actively discuss specific issues online. The only (minor) criticism I have of GetUp is that for an organisation whose membership is based on its ability to communicate online to a vast number of people, it seems many of the big decisions/discussions are made via the GetTogethers, which many of us are unable to attend. I would like to see the option of "virtual get-togethers" using the medium of choice of this membership - the computer. Possibly then issues such as GM food would not be overlooked, and participation in setting the agenda items would be open to all, not just those able to attend at a specific time and place.

Is it any wonder issues relating to disability, carers etc rate so low? These are probably the sort of people least able to physically attend night-time meetings!

Overall though I am very impressed with the efforts of the whole GetUp! team to organise, co-ordinate and take into account the views of such a large and diverse membership. You all do a great job and I thank you for making the effort to secure a better future for all.

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Mademarian
January 30th, 2008

It is great to see such enthusiastic debating about these important issues. Taisha B, you have made some excellent points and I agree with your thoughts on the nuclear debate, I believe the answer is fusion rather than fision, but in the meantime we desperately need to address GHG and global warming. With millions of small steps and a few massive leaps we will get there before its too late. If we help to develop the technology and make it available to developing countries or those regions where renewable resources for clean power generation are limited we can reduce the reliance on nuclear fision power generation.
We need to immediately address the GMO issue, Australia must remain committed to non Genetically Modified Organisms for food production, and instead encourage development of this technology for controlling introduced pests that are reeking havoc with our environment, or in the development of clean-up technologies to cope with the effects on habitat and plant communities of global warming. this genetic research could instead benefit the planet rather than cause more harm and put us in further peril.

I also agree with the suggestion of on-line 'virtual' GetTogethers, as committed as I am to most GetUp issues I cannot spare the time to get to the meetings that have been organised in my area so far, and it seems crazy to travel long distances to do this when we need to use our existing resources very carefully.

Keep the discussions going, its the conversations that plant the seeds for the future, it would be great if we could finally get it all together before we lose it forever.

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Annie Carter
February 2nd, 2008

Comment to GetUp

This is a crucial time for Australia and saying "Sorry" to Aboriginal Australia. Wording is crucial. I would suggest something along the lines of “sorry to the Aboriginal Nations and people of this country who have suffered pain and injustice as result of past wrongs.” This apology would be more inclusive of all those who have suffered.

The Stolen generations have suffered and deserve an apology. There is no way that Healing can occur without recognition of the pain suffered as a result. But the point of saying "Sorry" requires much more: there were many other injustices. Alan Ramsey's article in today’s Sydney Morning Herald (February 2, 2008): Xavier Herbert openly bragged about behaviour reflecting the attitudes and behaviours in the 1920s and 30s. Wesley Airds article is similar. My grandfather was a Police Officer at Menindee (before WWII) and told me he struggled to stop local “pastoralists” from going on “Nigger Hunts”. He did not get any support from the non-Aboriginal locals.

On a related issue, the choice the person to make the “welcome to country” at the opening of Parliament is a big mistake. It demonstrates the lack of knowledge of protocol by those who made their commendation. They should have approached the Local Ngnunnawal Elders’ Council for advice. An Article in yesterday’s The Age newspaper reports an interview with Ngnunnawal Elder Agnes Shea. Her advice should be considered.

I grew up in the town of Cowra and recognise Matilda from there (we are about the same age). I have a cousin who lived in the same street as Matilda House (Matilda’s mother is Pearl Wiliams) at Erambie Mission at Cowra. Many Aboriginal people in Canberra, and surounding areas are aware of this. It would be a tragedy if such an historic event was marred by this controversy.

Matilda House is the daughter of Pearl Williams and she grew up in Cowra. Most people regard her as a Wiradjuri woman. I am told that her behaviour has offended Aboriginal People from Perth to Sydney and I believe that she would be a most unwise choice as the person to make the “welcome to country”. I have a cousin who lived in a house “2 doors down” from the home of Matilda House (and Matilda’s mother, Pearl Wiliams) at Erambie Mission at Cowra. It would be a tragedy if such an historic event was marred by this controversy.

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Russell Langfield
February 4th, 2008

"We" must see the wording of what Mr Rudd is proposing to say before he says it publicly.

The reasons I have for this are:
1. The Indigenous people of Australia must be 100% happy with it. If they are, I am. After all, it is they who are being apoligised to.
2. I want the apology to be real, not symbolic and definitely not hollow or shallow.

And, I want to see a treaty come out of it to give Indigenous Australians irrevocable rights to be completely free in their own country, of land ownership and to put them above forced "interventions" forever.

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John Croft
February 4th, 2008

Given that the Sydney Morning Herald reported this morning that ....

"Kevin Rudd will ask 1000 of the "best and brightest brains" to map out a strategy for Australia's long-term future in areas ranging from the economy and the environment to the arts and health.

The Prime Minister said yesterday a two-day Australia 2020 summit in Parliament House in April would bring together talented people from outside government to look beyond the usual short-term focus of politics and policymaking.

The aim would be to come up with policies to help meet challenges Australia faced over the next decade and beyond.

"For too long Australian policymaking has been focused on short-term outcomes dictated by the electoral cycle," Mr Rudd said. "If Australia is to effectively confront the challenges of the future, we need to develop an agreed national direction that looks at the next 10 years and beyond."

.....

Can we ensure that the Getup results get fed into this process. What Getup is establishing is a way of using the media to get all Australians involved in this process, not just those invited into the process.

For the Earth

John Croft
co-founder
Gaia Foundation (Western Australia)

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Ron Lubensky
February 4th, 2008

I'm actually quite appalled by Rudd's approach. The reverence of the "best and brightest brains" is a slap in the face to typical Australians who are perfectly capable of deliberating and determining what is important for us as a country. It is a slap in the face to GetUp! I believe there should be a strong rebuttal from GetUp! to promote the inclusion of a significant contingent of typical citizens in the process, perhaps randomly-selected from around the country. This is not a process that should be delegated solely to elite stakeholders and special interests, no matter how clever or influential they profess to be.

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Oze-al
February 4th, 2008

Ok IT TIME for a Group of GETUP members say two or more from each State and Territory to be part of the 1000 people.
We should have Aboriginals, Migrants, Teachers, Doctors and Nurses, Trades men, Factory workers all of whom are
Getup members.
It is time for GETUP to be heard and reported on by the media.
In a good light as a group fighting for a better Australia.

SPEAK UP AND BE HEARD GETUP :-)

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Oze-al
February 4th, 2008

MAY I SUGGEST LOCAL GROUP MEETINGS BE ARRANGED say in late febuary or in march to
Discuss the Peoples Data results.
Discuss the best way to be represented in the 2020 summit
Identify members willing and able to attend whom know there subject or have a life experience that needs to be address by the 2020 summit.

BUT LETS KEEP IN MIND for the 2020 summit to be successfull it has to have SPEAKERS WITH ANSWERS
on how to reach the possitive outcomes we seek.
SO going and just winging and wining will not do.
Lets use the collective minds of members all over the country to inform and help those speakers whom may represent Getup have some answers.
No long winded speachs that put people to sleep Identify the issue and sugest the answer
eg.resources required,funding possabilities, legistlation changes required and more.
No wining and winging just Issue-Answers.

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Janice Macpherson
February 5th, 2008

The People's Agenda is a great idea and the concept of groups of concerned people meeting together to discuss the issues that matter most is catching on.
Do you plan to have more?


http://garystamper.blogspot.com/2008/02/phoenix-conversations.html

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belinda
February 13th, 2008

What a broad agenda. There is so much to get on with, hopefully now in a political environment that is much more favourable than before.

I personally am heartened that you have included item 12 on the agenda. Supporting and empowering the elderly, the mentally ill, people with disabilities, and their carers.

Understanding and navigating a very complex system of barriers to obtain what limited assistance is available is so very disempowering to the already disempowered people in our community. This is why so many people who are ill, elderly or disabled just fall through the cracks - especially those on their own. I'd like to see a simplified, more humane system (Centrelink and ancillary services) that is supported by a network of informed advocates enabled to help the neediest people access assistance that is theirs by right. This will save sanity and lives that sometimes are hanging by the barest thread.

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Doug Home
February 24th, 2008

Hello,
I intend to mail this rebuttal letter to some federal MPs - Coalition and ALP. I would appreciate comments from other members about tone, accuracy etc.
"Dear Sir,
Re: Your speech to the House on the 20th of February, 2008.
I was interested to listen to your speech to the House on the 20th of February in which you complained of “people who criticised the previous government’s policies without offering any alternatives”. This note is to disabuse from that view and to inform you that a great many Australians have been thinking and talking, long and hard, about alternatives; since well before the last election, in fact.
By way of demonstration, I refer you to the Member for Wills’ speech of the 18th and 19th of February in which he mentioned the work of a group called GetUp! (Australia wide membership: 241,156. Funding by personal donations. Self-proclaimed function: defence of Australia’s democratic principles.)
This group of volunteers, thoroughly investigated by the AEC (twice) at the instigation of the now Deputy Leader of the Opposition in the Senate; has, since the last election, formulated its alternatives which we intend to canvas with all political parties before the next election. Incidentally, those two AEC investigations were very encouraging as many of us doubted that we could actually make a difference. The fact that the former Special Minister of State, the Hon. Eric Abetz, perceived us as a threat (to democracy?), gave us great hope that we could. Anyway, the process of formulating these ideas had been progressively building at the concerned individual level for the last eight years; taking on an increased urgency after the Coalition won control of the Senate (refer Item 7 below).
Responses will be tabulated so voters can be aware of how their political choice will perform relative to others. This way we avoid being beholden to, or even having the perception of being beholden to, any political party. We will let the facts (or the policies) speak for themselves. We used this method last November and, as our research shows, to some effect.
I think I should point out that in my electorate of Bennelong, a great many GetUp! volunteers, who were (I draw your attention to the tense) historically small "l" liberal voters, felt compelled to join GetUp! during the two years preceding the election of November the 23rd. This was not due to any attractiveness of yet another ALP government. We have, in NSW, been “enjoying” the efforts of one of the more spectacularly inept and corrupt Labour governments in Australian history; but an utter abhorrence with direction that previous Federal Coalition governments were taking Australia; economically and socially. Accordingly, many of us reasoned that in campaigning for Mr. Howard’s electoral defeat; we could at least begin the re-establishment of a just, equitable and progressive Australia of which we could be justly proud again. We fully intend to prove ourselves right and early policy initiatives by the current government, give us hope.
The following are the considered and hierarchically organized alternatives of the GetUp! members. These views have been arrived at after living under 11 years of Coalition governments:



I think you would agree there is quite a gulf between these policies and the results of eleven years of arrogant, divisive, increasingly authoritarian and dogmatic rule by a government of which you were a member. You disagree? Shall we deal with them, point by point?

1. Climate change.
Howard Government’s response:
• The US government and the Member for Groom in his previous capacity as the Minister for Industry, Tourism and Resources; the Hon Ian Macfarlane (Farmer) were able to bring far more scientific rigor to this debate than the work of 2,500 scientists working in scientifically related fields for over thirty five years; so - what climate change? (You can, I hope, recognize irony?) Until nine months before the last election when at 6.32pm on February the 6th, 2007, John Howard announced: "I was wrong”. Recall that Mr. Andrew Peacock, when leader of the Liberal Party, committed that party to a program of ameliorating the effects of global warming – in the mid 1990! Now as, Ross Garnaut’s preliminary report makes plain, the “cuts” that those scientists were recommending are, in fact, understated. Seventeen years lost! Closer to twenty five if you consider the lead that CSIRO, Sydney Uni and UniNSW had won with their research.
• So during that eleven year period we had Australian taxpayer funded solar research (see above) for sale back to us from China, the US and Germany. The Murray/Darling basin’s problems ignored until it could be used as a wedge in the Federal government’s attempted usurpation of principle of Australian Federalism. The Hon Ian Macfarlane
A lot of lost opportunities here.

2. High-quality primary, secondary and tertiary public education accessible to all Australians.
Howard Government’s response:
• Make education accessible only to the rich or those parents ready to mortgage their houses to pay the fees. Refer to The Australian of the 23rd of February. This brilliant strategy has effectively contributed to the skills shortage and thus the increased inflation we are now “enjoying”.
• The attempted emasculation of the TAFE system for apparently ideological reasons i.e. TAFE = Unions. Hello! Less than 15% of the work force is unionized (ABS); so you’d bugger up a system that could result in Australians trained in something more productive than selling real estate or accountancy?
More lost opportunities.

3. Indigenous Australians well-being.
Howard Government’s response:
• Total neglect for ten and a half years followed by a military-style operation to achieve newspaper headlines (and land for a nuclear dumpsite, perhaps?). I totally agree with the Member for O'Connor, the Hon Wilson Tuckey’s statement on the day that Prime Minister Rudd said “Sorry”: to wit “Tomorrow there will still be glue-sniffing and child abuse…” Yes! Ashamedly yes! So what have you, him and successive coalition governments been doing for the previous 3,832 days? (=10.5 years) In the name of fairness; I should point out that there are reports from welfare groups currently circulating that mention 1/4 of all Australian children, most of whom could not, arithmetically, be aboriginal, being sexually abused by Australian adults. The “black –arm band” version of history? Any chance of invading Toorak or Launceston?

4. Health care accessible to all.
Howard Government’s response:
• To follow the US model where 15% of the population (and falling) can actually afford health-care. See item 2 for why this will not improve for at least the next five years. Why? That’s the time it takes to get a medical degree.
• Nurses, who fought for decades to get professional recognition by having a degree, arbitrarily told to get “on the job” training due to the Federal government’s failures to setup relevant courses at an affordable price. Result? They continue to leave the profession or work in Kuwait. Expect longer hospital waiting lists. You can build hospital wards faster than you can train effective staff to work in them.
Yet more lost opportunities.

5. Combating entrenched poverty.
Howard Government’s response:
• AWAs and Work Choices and let the “market” decide. Thereby exacerbating the problem by effectively cutting the take-home pay of most working poor. With more than 70% of this group already worrying constantly about their financial security, you effectively reduce the net disposable income into a market of rapidly rising fuel prices, food prices and rental costs? Refer to Item 9 for more. Most of this section of society is now completely and hopelessly exposed by their credit obligations. Howard’s battlers indeed! Why not use Common Law agreement for those who want them and secret ballots, as suggested by IR commentators more than ten years ago? Try to ignore the business lobby to whom the Liberal Party is beholden to and try to think in the national interest. That way you would avoid being exposed to glaring hypocrisy when accusing the ALP of being beholden to the unions.
Yet more lost opportunities here.

6. Withdrawing troops from Iraq.
Howard Government’s response:
• “We will stay because the US wants us to”. At the cost of $A2.1bn and rising! The ANZAC alliance not withstanding - to hell with what the Americans want. This is Australian’s money and decision and you are paid to represent Australian interests. Let the US bankrupt their own economy, they have been doing an excellent job of it for the last seven years. Two other members of that alliance have chosen not to get involved in this absurd adventure and their alliance still endures. There is absolutely no economic, social or even security upside in Australia being in Iraq and there never was. Quite the contrary, as Commissioner Keelty correctly asserted (when he was allowed to assert by Mr. Ruddock) that our Iraqi involvement has made us a security target.
• Whilst on that topic; what can you call political interference by an Attorney General into the opinions of a Commissioner of a national police force? As an ex-South African who grew up there during the apartheid era, I certainly know – dangerous. I think of South Africa’s Bureau of State Security, East Germany’s Stasi, of course, the Nazi Geheime Staatspolizei (Gestapo). I exaggerate? Refer to West Australia’s Australian of the Year 2007; Mr. Peter Russo’s comments, reported in many Australian and Indian newspapers, concerning problems involving any oversight into the workings of the AFP and the Department of Immigration in relation to the Haneef affair. Soon, we hope, to be resolved by a properly constituted inquiry.

7. Protecting our human rights and civil liberties.
Howard Government’s response:
• Given the previous government’s behavior in the Senate over the last three years perhaps we should just leave this one to the historians who may consider the consummate disregard for centuries-old common law rights and parliamentary process, traded of for some spurious “National Security” considerations without any referral back to the people whose rights these were and still are. Fact: those laws can and will do nothing to “protect” Australia’s population just a similar laws did not the “protect” London against its bombers or a plethora of UK laws did not stop the IRA campaigns. Refer once again to Commissioner Keelty’s opinions. Refer also to The Sun Herald, hardly a radical newspaper; of the 24th of November in which these laws are described as “draconian”.
• The sooner Australia has an enshrined Bill of Rights as proposed by Geoffrey Robertson QC, the Hon Justice Sir Gerard Brennan and others’ the better to protect us against rampant and unbridled executive power as almost happened under the previous Attorney General. (Another reason for many informed and worried Australians joining GetUp!, I may add.) In this regard, I refer you to the Senator for Western Australia, the Hon. Christopher Evans’ decision to request a parliamentary committee to review the powers vested in his office. I could not envisage any of the previous three Ministers of Immigration doing such a thing. Refreshing.

8. Improving community infrastructure and planning.
Howard Government’s response:
• Being unabashed economic drys, leave it to the market. (Interesting how many economic drys are now calling for increased government spending so that more liquidity can be pumped into the market – after criminally irresponsible banks have blown most of their liquidity) Result: increased bottlenecks to economic growth; after a period of unprecedented export sales that could have funded many projects, thus contributing to the increased inflation we are now “enjoying”. On the positive side, because of an almost total absence of investment in power generation, we have not “upgraded” flogged-out 30 year old power stations like Latrobe, Point Piper or Liddell. However, investment into alternatives has thus far been negligible to pitiful.
• An important disincentive into investment was the Coalition government’s failure to set in train the frame-work of a carbon trading system. This was done on purely ideological grounds and has already cost Australia dearly.
• The suppressed but now found 2005 Department of Family and Community Services national report that found there was a significant shortage of affordable housing. Response – “lose the report”
Yet more lost opportunities.

9. Protecting workers' rights.
Howard Government’s response:
• Refer to the Member for North Sydney and the previous Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations remarks on ABC’s Four Corners program of the 18th of February; during which he admitted that even cabinet members had no idea of the harm that was being done to lower paid Australian’s pay-packets. (Refer to Item 5.) All whilst the Senator for Tasmania, the Honorable Eric Abetz was spending $122m of our money, spuiking how good it all was. And whilst yet another publicly-funded report showing the true impact of these policies languished in a cupboard somewhere, most likely in the Prime Minister’s office.

10. Strengthening our democracy.
Howard Government’s response:
• Refer to Hansard – both houses but especially the Senate over the last three years. Allowing half a day to review the 550 page Northern Territories Intervention Bill in says it all. Complete contempt; which makes the recent complaints by the Coalition concerning Senate oversight, so nauseatingly hypocritical. Where do you think we have been for the last 4 years?

11. Reforming refugee policy.
Howard Government’s response:
• 300 days in Baxter or Nauru (5 times New Zealand’s assessment time) for 99.9% of these “security risk queue jumpers” to be given a refugee visa. What cost to the tax-payers per refugee processed? $300m on the “Pacific Solution”! What the hell for? What social problems to the refugees and, ultimately, to Australian society. Of course, if the aim was to demonize people whose bum was already hanging out of their trousers…that would help. But surely the last three responsible Ministers would not stoop to that?

12. Supporting the elderly, the mentally ill, people with disabilities and their carers.
Howard Government’s response:
• Over 2 and a half terms of government progressively cutting funding and support. Three months before the last election (as Member for Mackellar, the Hon Bronwyn Bishop proudly informed the house on the 20th of February) to increase funding marginally. See Item 4 for more. As Australia has a rapidly aging population, opportunities lost here will be reflected in magnified costs in the years to come.
• I note one of the declared purposes of the Telsta Future Fund is to fund the retirement liabilities of aging public servants. No danger of those employed in private industry being considered in the same way.
Yet more lost opportunities.

13. Becoming a good global citizen.
Howard Government’s response:
• To progressively reduce the Aid budget as a proportion of GDP and to offer it acquiescent governments only; thus following the US system of “buying influence”. We are now at the very bottom of the UNHCR’s list of developed nation donors, something to be proud of. Accurately referred to by Mr. Bob Geldorf as: "embarrassingly pathetic".
• This would also cover not being a willing party to a unilaterally declared invasion of another sovereign nation. A questionably legal endeavor about which our children may hear more via way of the International Criminal Court. As this generation is now being asked, correctly, to bear the guilt of previous Australian government’s “Stolen Generation” policies.

14. Stopping uranium exports.
Howard Government’s response:
• Let us sell to India, not a signatory to the NPT as required by an act of parliament but there is a buck it. Illustrating the highly principled stance of the Howard Government. We hope that the two (known) nuclear enrichment facilities run by the Indian Military and, thus excluded from any oversight, will be run in the same principled manner.
• Or how about our new uranium trading partner, Russia’s predilection to on-sell enriched yellow cake to Iran, comforting to you?

15. Ensuring Australians' access to diverse information and media.
Howard Government’s response:
• Progressively cut funding and increase political interference to “independent” news outlets. We don’t want another Iraqi invasion “information” problem, do we? Ask our current Ambassador to the United Kingdom and past Senator of Victoria; the Honorable Richard Alston to explain his attempted emasculation of both publicly funded entities so that they could not air information that was at odds with the government’s preferred and, now largely discredited, “information”. At last count, last month, 935 pieces of misinformation “justifying” the US’s decision to invade Iraq have been identified by the US Centre for Public Integrity has using FOI. Most of these aired on Australian commercial TV stations as they were released by the Pentagon’s media unit to the US major TV outlets and then accepted as the truth by Fox, ATN 7, NTN 9 and 10. This pathetic attempt at controlling the flow of information indicated just how little Richard Alston, a Minister for Communications at the time, knew about the wide availability of world media on that “new-fangled” method of communication; the internet.
• As to Senator Coonan’s “efforts” to select a modern, functional internet system; suffice it to say, having used systems all over Europe; I am of the opinion that what we have, due to the Howard government’s efforts to please free-to-air TV licensees, is a shambles.
Yet more lost opportunities.

But what about the economy, I hear you ask. I’m glad you did ask because the “strength” of Australia’s economy has nothing to do with your government’s “economic abilities”. Mr. Howard and his successive governments had absolutely and demonstrably nothing to do with the +10% growth rate over the last 10+ years of The Peoples Republic of China. It was this demand, coupled to a credit bubble (refer to the 400% growth of personal indebtedness in the ABS figures) that characterized Australia’s economic “miracle”. As Mr. Alan Bond (ex-entrepreneur) and the State of Japan proved in the 1980’s and the USA is currently in the process of demonstrating; an unsustainable reliance on non-yielding credit does not equate to an economic miracle. It’s merely deferring judgment day.
By the way, I am old enough that I can distinctly recall Mr. Howard continually warning against trading with The Peoples Republic of China. It was during his protracted “reds under the bed” phase whilst Keating’s, Hawke’s and, particularly, Whitlam’s were in power. Luckily for Australia, people like Lang Hancock, Charles Court, Sir Eric Neil and Hugh Morgan and the above prime ministers ignored him; as the Chinese prefer to do business with people with whom they have developed a relationship with over time.

Economic managers? Here are just three examples of what I think of that argument:
1. This one was mentioned in your speech. It’s a pity more forward planning was not done into China’s demand for powdered milk products, at the very time when the Dairy Board was in the process of developing that market (who supplied the advice – The World Bank?); before the “buy-outs” occurred. Then more Australian (Gippsland) dairy farmers could have benefited when the market picked up instead of New Zealand ones having to fill the gap.
2. Successive Coalition government let infrastructure run down (refer to Item 8 above) at a time of all time record low real interest rates with banks and sovereign wealth funds (Singapore, Emirates, Korea) falling over themselves to lend. Result: Australia will pay a hell of a lot more to put in or repair very fast trains, new power generation, shipping facilities, adequate roads and rail, water storage etc. This will hammer our budget.
3. A billion dollar budget surplus; thanks mainly to the introduction of an entire new tax gathering system called the GST plus receipts on burgeoning exports to China, given back to the punters to “piss against the wall” on yet more consumer rubbish that most of them do not need. Thereby contributing to their already monstrous personal indebtedness – of which we will here more of soon. The Treasurer, Mr. Swan is to be congratulated for his strong decision to break with such populist nonsense in deciding to forgo tax cuts so he can prepare Australia’s budget for the inevitable tougher times to come.

I think that about covers it.

So you see, Sir; there are a great many Australians “out here” who have thought long and hard about alternatives. They were doing it while you held government. It’s a pity that the current government is going to have to try and deal with some of them against a backdrop of what Mr. Costello correctly referred to, fifteen or so days before the last election, as “the coming financial tsumani”. Perhaps you would be good enough to remind your parliamentary leader of that remark when he talks about the current government “talking Australia’s economy” down. To the informed, he appears foolish. To the informed; the “the coming financial tsumani” was obvious as early as May, 2007; a time when the same Mr. Costello “reassured” his fellow Australians with the howler: “America’s sub-prime crisis will not have an effect on the Australian economy”. A significant (currently US$2.4trillion) loss and consequent tightening in the availability and cost of credit in globalised markets where Australia is at the end of a derivatives or currency trader’s internet connection, coupled with a precipitous fall in the value of our major trading currency (ask Woodside or BHP what the falling value of the US dollar costs them in lost earnings i.e. that would be taxable income to you) and we have a federal treasurer uttering such inanities?
(An aside: Whilst on the topic of foolish members of parliament, could you counsel some of the more youthful and exuberant members on your side to refrain from using the “nanny government” epithet so favoured by radio shock-jocks and the US Republican Party? Apart from demonstrating their preferred reading and listening matter; it also shows a certain ignorance of the facts. Any study of Hansard will show that far more legislation was passed during the last eleven years of Coalition governments than was enacted during the preceding ninety five years of various governments. Statements such as these rather colour the credibility of their following utterances in any debate.)
Returning to my main theme, recent Coalition governments have squandered so many opportunities that China’s demand for raw materials could have paid for; that the decade that they held power will, in time, become known as “the decade of lost opportunities”. Non-partisan economic historians (that would, by definition, exclude Mr. Gerard Henderson) will judge the Howard years very harshly indeed and, in my opinion, such a judgement will be entirely warranted. I, like most politically aware Australians, await with some interest the continuing researches of the Senator for NSW, the Hon. John Faulkner; so that the suspicions we held concerning your performance are shown to be well-founded.
Turning to the present; the Coalition’s recent parliamentary behaviour shows that the Coalition, has, arrogantly, learnt nothing from the events of November the 23rd, 2003. I hope that this improves soon; as a creditable opposition is necessary under the Westminster system. Should the Liberal Party actually rediscover its founding principles and cease being the cat’s paw of big business and, more recently and alarmingly, extremist religious groups (refer to the Member for Mitchell); then I’m sure GetUp! members would welcome that as a sign that it too shares our belief in protecting Australia’s democratic values.
Yours sincerely,
Doug Home."

Thank you for your input,
Doug Home

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Peter Graham
February 25th, 2008

Bravo Doug Home,
Your letter of 24th February seems to me to rebut the, so called, arguments of those members of Parliament who suggested that organizations like GetUp had criticized the previous government and its actions without proffering solitions. GetUp's nearly a quarter million members have, over some years now, been discussing and formulating alternatives to many of the thoroughly bad and unfair policies of the Howard government. Those who suggest that these members are all "partisan" Labor stooges should read the thousands of blogs for themselves instead of mindlessly spouting Liberal Party propaganda, believable only by the stupid and the ignorant. Had some of the members of Howard,s government done so, there would be more of them left. I don't think they could have saved their government: they were to far gone in their hubristic arrogance and belief in their own rhetoric for that.

GetUp's increasing membership is testament to the belief of its founders that people can make a difference if they are given an oppertunity. Anyone who has read statements from GetIp and blogs from members would be aware that Howard,s government was asked to change its ways on many occasions and many of those communications reflect "small l" thinking.

Your statement regarding the amount of legislation passed during the past eleven years exceeding the total amount passed in the rest of the period since Federation reminds me of a statement by the Roman Cicero--"When the state is most corrupt, Then laws are most multiplied".

We must not cease thinking and writing even though the Rudd government is showing very positive signs of keeping its promises and rectifying the egregious wrongs of the Howard period.

Thank you Doug. Well done.

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Cluster
March 5th, 2008

Here is a copy of an email that I sent to the staff. Interested to here what people think of the idea...again ;)

Dear GetUp Staff,

Problem

I would like to start a campaign to strengthen our democracy by more structural means than the methods you have outlined in the Peoples Agenda document. The methods you have described on page seven are useful and necessary, but also can be subject to erosion over time by even well intentioned governments. This, coupled with the withering of the senate's mandate as a house of review is of crucial import to the long term success of our democracy.


Political Objective

A solution to this is what is called Ratifiers for Democracy. This is a structural addition that seeks a balance between lobbyist/minority orientated Representative democracy and the 'mob rule' of direct democracy by introducing bill review by a body of citizens call Ratifiers. Ratifiers would make up 1% of the population (eg 200,000 Australians randomly selected for 1 year terms) and would vote to pass or reject legislation that has made it through the houses. A full outline of the system can be viewed here.

Key Points

1. Provides a balance between the our current lobbyist dominated democracy and the public good.

2.Creates a wide base of political/social literacy that will cause a increasing feedback loop of political engagement. This is a powerful relationship that could revitalise our democracy.

3. Is administrated via current ICT systems. Very easy to implement on the systems side.

4. Government power is not unfairly constrained by the will of the Ratifiers. Popular government initiatives must be radically opposed by the Ratifiers to be sent back for review due to an Inverse Proportional Voting mechanism (If a bill passed by 95% Parliament support it would take 95% of the Ratifiers to defeat it).

5. Ratifiers is the natural extension of the Getup! movement philosophy and could be its structural embodiment within our democratic system. This measure is truly necessary for real change to happen on all the big issues of our society.

6. A non binding Ratifiers system could be set up to test out the system before it is adopted or voted on. Getup! members could "play" the Ratifiers for 6 months on an ICT system and the result could be used as evidence of the system being sound for the general public.


Groups to Target

This is not a short term, single dimensional campaign. This is a long term and wide based campaign for fundamental democratic change. It ultimately requires a majority national public vote to be enacted. Only 8 of the last 44 referendums have been passed so it is a big call. However how can the public refuse more power and more say to themselves?


1. Needs support of Prime Minister.
Rudd is the best candidate for this in 30 years. He has strong views and commitment for reform against creeping undemocratic drift.

2. Needs Significant Parliamentary Support (Labour)

3. Needs significant media support

4.Needs Public Support
A factor of the previous three. This is a long term, broad based campaign that will take many years for the ideas to diffuse through Australian Society.


Campaign Message

Reform our Democracy. (Insert catchy slogan here)



What should the campaign ask GetUp members to do

-Create an online Ratifiers voting system for 100,000 Getup members. Record data and system operation. Tabulate report.

- Every member is to convince 5 other people that Ratifiers for Democracy is something that they would vote for. Explain and show online voting system.

-Collect 500,000 signatures over time as proof that a referendum should be called.

-Identify and gain support of a key number of people in Parliament.

-A long-term campaign to get the Prime Minister on side.


Target Audience

-Every segment


Issue Timing

-This Govt leader is very receptive to democratic reform and more importantly, decreasing politicians power to do it (current laws on campaign contributions and pay freeze on ministerial salary increases).

-The 2020 conference would be an excellent time to introduce this notion.

Conclusion

This in my opinion is the natural evolution for the Getup movement for the long term. If you want to stand for any issue or reform - make it this one. This is the key log in the logjam that is our political system. Knock this one free and all the logs will move.

Cheers
Cluster

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First Priority !
March 26th, 2008

Get rid of the name australia...and recognise the original and correct name of this continent...which is "KAMERRA"...

and stop calling us those GENOCIDAL words...australian aborigine...

the land is KAMERRA and we are KAMERRA...

The Latin Dictionary meaning of the word ‘AB’ is twofold.

1. From.
2. To Motion Away, Distance and Separation.

The Exact and Precise Latin Dictionary definition
of the word ‘Aborigine’ is also twofold.

1. From the Beginning.
2. To Take From the Original and To Dispose of the Original.

As in the Mathematical Word ‘Abacus’, To Add and Subtract or
‘Abdomen’, Extract the Food Value and Dispose of the Food Waste.

Other words to consider:
‘Abortion, Abduct, Abandon, Abuse, etc.

The Substance or Essence of the word ‘AB’ is;
Repulse, Repel, Reject, Remove

"KAMERRA"...legally does not exist and we the original nation legally do not exist in our own land and we legally do not exist on planet earth...and australia legally exist in name only...

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Alan
April 10th, 2008

Can we get legalisation of marijuana on the list of legislative changes needed in Oz. The Victorian police have been testing drivers for marijuana, with a zero tolerance policy. This is not just catching dodgy drivers, and is a random persecution of population. I'll be taking 3 mo off work when my license is suspended in a months time. About 20% of Vic govt's revenue is from fines these days, and they're looking to grow market share. Why are they so scared of herb? What about multicultural acceptance?

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phildeerhound
July 19th, 2008

Alan wrote back in April:

"Why are they so scared of herb? What about multicultural acceptance?"

My reply would be what about your giving up taking drugs? Is that an option? After the usual experiments common to youth, I left pot strictly alone some forty years or more ago, and I have never missed it. I guess I just grew up.

As to police tolerance of pot smoking drivers, I am far more concerned about a child of mine being run down by an intoxicated driver than I am about the supposed civil liberties of a pot smoking or alcohol drinking driver

Decrimilisation I would support. Driving under the influence however is inexcusable - you must choose one or the other and accept the scientific reality that there are long term cognitive effects to heavy pot smoking that mean zero tolerance is the only possibility

Would you knowingly fly on a plane or put your little children on a plane piloted by a pilot who had been puffing away at the weed less than 48 hours before?

I think not.

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