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The NT Intervention


Posted on the campaign blog , February 6th, 2008
Hello,
My name is Barbara Shaw and I live in a community that has been “prescribed” under the Federal intervention into the Northern Territory called Mt. Nancy Town Camp. I'm an executive member of the local Tangentyere Council. I'm helping my community. I'm a self-determined person, but with the intervention this government is trying to take control of everything. I am very concerned for my people.




Barbara Shaw is a Northern Territory resident who is leading the Convergence on Canberra on February 12th calling for an immediate review of the NT intervention by the Government.
Here she tells GetUp! members her views on living in a community affected by the intervention and why the convergence is so important.


One massive problem is the welfare reforms, which see 50% of Centrelink payments for all people in prescribed areas “quarantined’ and distributed as store vouchers. There is no process of review for this.

People don’t want the quarantine. It is making everyone poorer. Centrelink is never organised to get our food vouchers in on time. We went the last long weekend without food, I was lucky to get a donation of cold meet from a journalist.

I look after not only my own kids, but others as well. It would be much easier to look after the kids if I had that Centrelink money in my pocket. I don't want to be controlled by a government department. They don't know my situation at home, how many mouths I've got to feed. There are a lot of parents out there like this.

Work for the dole is forcing people to work for their food vouchers. That's what Vincent Lingiari walked off the cattle stations for in the 60's. We need that kind of fight again.

Centrelink is not providing proper services for remote communities, so people are being forced into town. Wallace rock-hole is shutting down, which community will be next? . We don’t have the services to cope with the urban drift.

Under Howard we have consistently put up programs, crying out for help, and always been knocked back. Labor must be different.

I am trying to raise funds to take a group of Aboriginal people from Central Australia to Canberra for the opening of Parliament, to join with others from around the country in solidarity to make a strong statement to the new government that there should be a immediate review of the NT Emergency Intervention Legislation, restoration of the Racial Discrimination Act and implementation of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

I am writing to request a donation to help cover the cost of hiring a bus to travel to Canberra and food and accommodation for the trip. Our total costs are going to be close to $35,000 and so far we have raised a quarter of this.

Community members have very little spare money especially those whose incomes have been quarantined. We are hoping to raise some funds through art sales, and some communities are asking members to put in so much per week out of their limited money. Any donation you are able to make would be a great help.
We have limited time as we hope to leave for Canberra in less than a week. CAAMA (Central Australia Aboriginal Media Association) is our sponsoring organisation and has kindly agreed to deposit funds in a special account.

For more information about the Convergence on Canberra visit

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Top-end Trev
February 7th, 2008

Another begging letter!!!What about all the royalties the indigenous inhabitants of The Territory get from the miners??Surely there'd be enough to BUY a bus and hire a driver, and also pay for the Penthouse Suites of all the hotels in the national capital.
A bit less "Poor bugger me"and a bit more work wouldn't go amiss, and a complete ban on grog is essential..

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Ronald T Gannon J.P.
February 8th, 2008

In relation to the N.T. Intervention by the Federal Government (Howard type), I ask those who agree if they would like everybody having the right to walk through their homes at any time, day or night, when the family were living a normal existance, I'm sure they would'nt.
I disagree strongly with the Intervention and beleive the pass system should be re introduced
Yours
Ronald T Gannon J.P.

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Leroy
February 8th, 2008

The fact that Barbara Shaw looks after "other kids as well" supports the intervention. The system is not perfect & unfortunately the good are restricted with the bad but it's better than doing nothing.

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Graham Mooney
February 8th, 2008

As an Aboriginal man that lives in the city and coming from isolated areas as you described. Us mob in Sydney support the stand strong we all have to take in getting back this equality as Australian citizens. I realised the other day in Redfern and La Perouse the devastation of the Howard government policy to dismantle the CDEP when I realised the rusty buildings and the lawns not being manicured anymore was a pitiful and sorry site. We can no longer depend on what other people think about us. We have to make our future generations be aware how to retain ones dignity and self-respect otherwise we will continue to attend the many funerals that we do these days in all our communities around this nation because of government policies using Aboriginal people are political football match. It has to stop. I'll be in Canberra to support the stand for you mob in the Northern Territory and the Noel Pearsons and Warren Mundines have a lot to answer to our communities when they were in "Bed" with the Howard Government.

Peace, Respect and Unity

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Sigmund
February 8th, 2008

I honestly cannot see why it is so difficult to say sorry, I often say it even when it is not necessary. I wish the Convergence on Canberra will be very successful.

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Peter Sabatino
February 9th, 2008

I am a Torres Strait Islander. When my mother died four months ago, my colleagues at work expressed their sorrow at my loss. They were not personally responsible for her death, but as fellow human beings, compassion and empathy led them to do this. To me, this is what the national apology is about.

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Daemon Singer
February 10th, 2008

I support the travel by your community to be there when Kevin Rudd apologises. I think it is well past time.
I also think Trev is a tiny bit disingenuous saying that. I reckon if I had nothing to look forward to, I would be a drinker and unemployed as well.
I look forward to the day when ALL AUSTRALIANS are treated the same, whatever their skin colour, and I also look forward to the day when Trev from the top end gets enough education to understand that it's actually people like him who do the most damage.
Good luck on the trip to Canberra, and Trev, get an education.

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anita
February 11th, 2008

As a white person I consider myself very fortunate to have many indigenous friends in remote communities and in the towns. I have been sorry for years and I am so pleased that at last we are going to have a national apology. I hope the apology will restore some feeling of relief to many, many people who have suffered enormous pain and grief.

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One of the ignorant ones
February 11th, 2008

I am not very aware of the situation with the Northern Territory intervention, but it sounds like there are a lot of problems. I think that there are many women and families up there who are suffering due to many complicated reasons. It is arrogant for "outsiders" to come and intervene, so it needs to be from the "insiders", and I am sad to hear that these "Programs" put forward by the people who are trying to solve their own comunity problems are not being supported, or at least negotiated with. I could imagine that there would be many with the wisdom to know how those communities can move forward, out of the deep problems within the families and communities there. I hope that all Australians are able to see many new ways forward for these people, who wish to be healthy, happy and self determined, which is their right.

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SuziQ
February 11th, 2008

FINALLY ... a starting point to beginning to think about doing something about the damage we (whitefellas) have done the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander inhabitants of Australia ... in their own country! It's critical that we see "sorry" as a beginning, rather than an end.

We have spent over 200 years destroying the very fabric of Indigenous cultures in Australia. The very least we can do is empower and resource Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people to address some of the harm we have done them. In my view, we should support their every effort for at least 200 years, without expecting them to answer to us for the outcomes. Given the depth of the damage done, it will be important for Indigenous communities to experiment with different approaches ... and we must recognise that the intractable problems WE have caused will take MANY years to address. Some "failed experiments" are an important and inevitable part of this process. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people shouldn't be accountable to US for the way they try to overcome this harm.

Trev ... I'm not sure if you realise that only a very few specific Indigenous communities/families receive royalties from mining ... there are some settlements where some members receive royalties and others don't. Expecting those who receive royalties to support others is the same as saying that the many millionaires in Australia should have their wealth taken away in the interests of the poor in Australia. (Perhaps not a bad idea ... but how about WE set the example first!!!)

I'm embarrassed, and ashamed, and SORRY, that children are without food because of the ineptitude of the system WE have imposed on them (Centrelink). If we are genuinely SORRY about the harm we have done, the next step MUST be to withdraw the military invasion of NT communities and provide the resources for communities to be able to begin take power in addressing the many complex issues they face.

How insulting that that people from Mount Nancy Town Camp must beg for charity ... even to attend this very important, symbolic occasion!

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Mega-neth
February 11th, 2008

I wish I had the dosh to offer you! As a student I'm quite strapped for cash and am not treated very well by centerlink either. But at least I have food in my belly, a roof over my head, and feel safe and not persecuted by my own government under the guise of 'intervention'!
"I don't belive in an Interventionist God" and I don't believe in or want this type of Interventionist Government! How dare these ignorant white-fellas walk all over your people and call it 'for your own good'!

Proud Euro-Aussie feeling Shamed and Disgusted by other White-fellas in FNQ

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Mary MacFarlane
February 11th, 2008

I support you 100% and that is why I have donated. I wish you all my heartfelt best wishes knowing that the convergence of hearts and minds and good spirit is a very powerful thing which can only do good for this country of ours. Thankyou for your courage. You are a fine warrior and I pray for you.

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Kate
February 11th, 2008

Have donated what we can. Hope to see you there.

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geekay
February 12th, 2008

SuziQ appears as yet another bleeding heart who cannot identify one single "good" thing that has happened to indigenous Australians since 1770..only quick to condemn and criticise.

How blind is that..?

If you reckon the British did it wrong..please identify another country or civilisation that could have done it better in those times..and why..?

Then maybe your stance may hold some water.

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geekay
February 12th, 2008

SuziQ appears as yet another bleeding heart who cannot identify one single "good" thing that has happened to indigenous Australians since 1770..only quick to condemn and criticise.

How blind is that..?

If you reckon the British did it wrong..please identify another country or civilisation that could have done it better in those times..and why..?

Then maybe your stance may hold some water.

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geekay
February 12th, 2008

SuziQ appears as yet another bleeding heart who cannot identify one single "good" thing that has happened to indigenous Australians since 1770..only quick to condemn and criticise.

How blind is that..?

If you reckon the British did it wrong..please identify another country or civilisation that could have done it better in those times..and why..?

Then maybe your stance may hold some water.

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andy
February 13th, 2008

Even though Geekay was quick to point out that SuziQ could not identify one single "good" thing that has happened to indigenous Australians since European occupation, they fail also to mention one "good" thing. But I suppose they'll bring up that Westernisation has been beneficial to aboriginal Australians (just like democracy has been good for Iraq). Let's consider some of the issues aboriginal Australians face in western society:
- poverty (low income);
- poor education;
- substance abuse (smoking, alcohol, illicit drugs);
- for remote communities poor access to health services including immunisation;
- for urbanised Indigenous Australians, social pressures which prevent access to health services;
- cultural differences resulting in poor communication between Indigenous Australians and health workers;
- exposure to violence or other types of abuse.
Geekay needs to ask themselves whether they would like to be an indigenous Australian in todays society with all these "good" things that westernisation has brought with it. At least other occupying countries or civilisations have tried to correct the injustices of their colonial past.

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trish
February 13th, 2008

The NT Intervention seems like a constructive step, I think. I have visited several remote indigenous communities, in QLD, NT and WA. I was a guest of one community for 3 weeks; I taught in the school there. So I have a little understanding of some of the problems. I could see that specific cultural values such as looking after family and male dominance, and effects of generations of abuse by white australians (leading to dysfunctional families, alcoholism and domestic violence) often prevent fair allocation of resources and lead to poor feeding of children and poor school attendance. I believe good nutrition and good education are necessary for indigenous communities to become better places to live. For these reasons I believe quarantining of welfare payments is a good idea.

I believe some tough measures are necessary in the short term. I recognise that one solution does not fit all, and some people are going to be seriously inconvenienced. However I support the Intervention and believe it should be implemented throughout Australia along with outcome measures and a plan for its withdrawal.

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geekay
February 15th, 2008

Hi Andy,

Perhaps you have not seen my previous comments but among them included:

Indigenous persons have equal, in fact, more, access to a wide range of "welfare" and other benefits that white people do not.

Many choose not to become educated (for many reasons, as do some white families too )


Do you really expect Australians tp provide a hospital and health service in remote and obscure areas of inland Australia..? They did not exist pre settlement so why now claim it's not provided if people choose to live in remote areas..?

Do you think violence, drug and alcohol abuse is unique to indigenous communities..?

All I am suggesting is for people to open their eyes and acknowledge that among the awful stuff that has happened to indigenous communities there is far more opportunity available to those who seek it.

Otherwise, how can you say they live poorly when around $2 billion dollars annually is directed specifically towards around 250,000 aboriginies along with all the infrastructure and support services...? All Australians have choices available to them.

If the British were such awful and inhumane people in the 1770's towards indigenous persons, please tell me what other country or civilisation would have done it better in the 1770's and why..?

If you are going to criticise (and please do) then also attempt to show balance on the reality of what has and continues to occur..not some emotional, romanticised and idealistic view which tries to overlay 21st century sentiment over 18th century reailities.

If white man had landed and ignored indigenous persons altogether, what do you think they would look like in 2008..?

The apology telecast clearly showed the indigenous people wore clothing, had hair styles, wore spectacles, ear-rings, watches, jewellery, spoke the world's major language, had shoes, socks, hats, jackets, flags, could converse and offer comment, appeared well fed etc...Do you say that's not progress..? All I say is don't be blind or one-eyed to the tremendous advances to indigenous persons in a little over 200 years.

What did you realistically expect would happen when a primitive (no offence intended) culture met an industrial age culture..??

In summary, be intellectualy honest enough to acknowledge the progress and not just selective "bleeding heart" observations.

Everybody deserves to prosper but please raise your sights to reality in all its forms in Australia in 2008.

Cheers.



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Alicat
March 16th, 2008

This law is discrimination at its worst. I never liked it from the beginning, but an article that appeared in 'Education' (Journal of the NSW Teachers Federation, March 10, 2008), outlines some of the hideous details. I'd like to highlight some issues in this article (relating to Alice Springs).
1. Centrelink vouchers are only issued to use in Coles, Woolworths or K-mart. Local businesses are losing out because Centrelink recipients are unable to use their Centrelink vouchers in local businesses.
2. Voucher recipients must tell Centrelink exactly what they are going to buy and how much it will cost (almost impossible with prices changing on a daily basis).
3. Paying off laybys is not allowed using the vouchers so purchasing exepensive items like refrigerators, or even clothing for children is not possible.
4. Any money left on the voucher at the end of the month returns to government coffers, so voucher holders are forced to spend it or lose it.
5. The housing boom is facilitating and housing the new business managers. No housing has yet been built for Aboriginal people - some are still living humpies.
6. After years of campaigning there are still no plans for high schools (relates to all NT Aboriginal communities).
7. So far not one Aboriginal child has been saved from intervention.

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First Priority !
March 16th, 2008

…"Land in the Emptiness and Emptiness in the Land"…

The State of Terra Nullius is the Legal Black Hole of Null and Void.
A State of Dissolve and Dissolution. A Dehydrator andVacuum State. Like a magic wand the British Crown waved the Union Jack across the land and a whole island continent, including all its contents, legally disappeared off the face of the earth. In a simultaneous effect, the first three ingredients to the Australian Constitution was firmly laid in the foundation of January 26 1788 when a second State of Lies, Theft and Genocide was also created. A Lie because the land was not void of human occupation. A Theft when the land was claimed as a legal possession by and for the British Crown and an act of mass genocide when the land and all human life, animals and plant life, insect and all microscopic life was placed in the State of Terra Nullius. Two very volatile states which is in fact a Double Dissolution. These legal states must and will become a literal state. A legal and literal State of Destruction and Desolation.

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First Priority !
March 16th, 2008

The Latin Dictionary meaning of the word ‘AB’ is twofold.

1. From.
2. To Motion Away, Distance and Separation.

The Exact and Precise definition of the word ‘Aborigine’ is also twofold.

1. From the Beginning.
2. To Take From the Original and To Dispose of the Original.

As in the Mathematical Word ‘Abacus’, To Add and Subtract or
‘Abdomen’, Extract the Food Value and Dispose of the Food Waste.

Other words to consider:
‘Abortion, Abduct, Abandon, Abuse, etc.

The Substance or Essence of the word ‘AB’ is;
Repulse, Repel, Reject, Remove.

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Jan
March 18th, 2008

The food voucher idea is not working. The people with the really bad problem with grog are already selling their $300 food voucher for $100 cash. the money is used for grog & the family gets even less. When a whole lot of prople in one town all go cold turkey together, it will not be pretty. There will be anger & more theft & violence to get more money to buy grog. I hope that the government has thought to back all thgis up with dry-out clinics fully staffed to help these reforming alcoholice get through their nightmares. What makes a person drink so much in the first place? Look to the causes & start fixing that, so at least the next generation might have a chance. Self esteem is needed in big doses.

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Cluster
March 18th, 2008

Here is a comment that I posted previously on this topic. I'm too lazy to rewrite it. It was in response to this topics "devils advocate" geekay... I agree with him that the blame game is not productive. We should be looking for concrete solutions such as the ones outlined below.

"Well geekay...

Sorry isn't really an irony but is a necessary step in a long hard campaign to NOT right the wrongs of the past, but to fix the current situation. It has been shown in many other colonies to be the an absolutely necessary step. You can't get people motivated or even get them to consider anything when them are not emotionally receptive.

As for "indigenous persons shelter, health, education and welfare", that alone is worthless. As you said - It has been tried and tried again by well meaning technocrats - trying linear solutions to complex problems. Throwing money at the problem does not solve it. A whole community on welfare is insanity. How the hell are people going to get themselves sorted out if there is no work? There is NO reason to NOT get pissed all day. Kids live in a culture that education is not needed - that unemployed parents sit around all day and get drunk to take the edge off the boredom. They don't know any different so they don't aspire to be different. It is a culturally engrained welfare population. They need to have their pride awakened. They have to pull together and NEED to stand on their own two feet - proud of their communities. It will take generations.

Without a doubt large big government programs will comtinue to fail. Money needs to be given to people on the ground to get things moving. The social entrepreneurs on the front lines. Forget blanket solutions. Street by street initiatives. Face to face. The current "pay management" initiative is an example of how crap a big program can be.
It is a blanket solution that hurts everybody and just breeds additional anger. What they should have is nominated locals (a trusted and respected local counciler in the community) who walk around each week and see who has an grog problem, and record it. The person goes on half pay. Another person is nominated the next week for grog patrol. After a week or two drying out the people that control their drinking get their money back. Not rocket science. Watch Living Black - it was on tonight, no consultation at the local level. This program could work if they got local people to help admin it. It would have taken a day to set up Absolute shambles. Linear thinking.

Or the Government could actually use a big project in a good way for a change. Take Dubbo for example. Indigenous people were concentrated in two low value areas and the crime, rates of destruction of building was was terrible. The situation had polarised the town. Taxis would not drive in the areas, no one would deliver a pizza to the areas. I grew up there. It got rough.
Eventually, it came to a head (2006) - the State Govt gave the green light to "fix the problem whatever the cost". They bought up houses all over Dubbo - entered in long term rent contracts, and spread the whole population all over Dubbo. THAT is community integration. THAT is decisive action. And it will probably work too. It stops a self contained "no go" community to develop that stops dialogue, which also breeds the toxic cultural environment of poverty and violence. Everyones a product of their environement. The segregation strategy of the government had bred this problem, no question.

Another idea would be add some small army reserve depots out in the communities - get all the blokes and girls involved. Give them something to do. Give them skills and a goal. A REASON to pull their life together. To stay sober, fit, listen to instructions and get used to a structured environment. They can still receive their payments and will get paid for the part time work they do. Give them some pride. Open the door to full time and let them walk through it. A lot would make great troops and given them an incentive to learn their heritage by walking in it and living off it - instead of the bottle.

Give them not fish - buy them a fishing pole, show them a waterhole and teach them to fish. We need to build capabilities and positive feedback loops in this planning. And if they need their arse kicked then let it be done by the people on the ground who know who needs a good kicking.

I've given some suggestions - your turn mate!"


I would be interested in some other ideas from other people. One shot solutions are doomed to failure. There should be a multi-pronged basket of efforts. If this means that we have to kick arses then so be it. We are past half measures and political correctness.

Cheers
Cluster

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tv
March 19th, 2008

I can in a way relate to geekay's comments, more still needs to be done maybe these communities need to merge in the outback to make larger communities to then support the centrelink offices and hospitals and get a real safe house setup going, i know people would have to move but wouldnt that be worth it to have a better lifestyle, i know a lot of people would have no problem with it. And on the Grog issue, the govt of the time did a good job of taking the abused and non-abused children from these areas so taking the grog away should be much easier.

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FairDinkum
March 19th, 2008

My view lays somewhere between top end Trev, and geekay in this regard, and I would go one step further, in looking at this issue from the perspective of a united Australian people,rather than as a purely them and us, emotive issue. It offends me that any portion of Australian society is allowed to live in abject poverty, ridden by the demons of drugs and grog. It further offends me that such an absurd amount of money is so misdirected towards maintaining this state of affairs. It is unalterably the case that European settlement of this country has forever and irrevocably changed the staus quo, for the earlier settlers of this land. We can argue the morals of the issue until the cows come home, without making one scintilla of progress towards a solution. As others have opined, we need to deal with situation as it is, rather than go over old ground to no good purpose. We need to address this as a united Australian people, not as a nation of tribes. The disparity between the various tribes was one of the things which brought us to this point, just as it has now been a uniting force for our indigenous people. We need to listen to people "on the ground", in these communities. We need to form common, local governing bodies, and give them the resources, and authority to impose practical, enforcable solutions. We need to make it abundantly clear, that as an Australian people and society, we will not allow child abuse in our communities, FOR ANY REASON, so don't give me any yarns about cultural differences. Sometimes a culture needs to change, rather than be used as a shield for the weak. We need elders to stand up to the young and disaffected in their communities, without fear of repercussion. The majority of the urban dwelling, voting population of this country wouldn't know a black fellah from a gang gang, but it's still their hearts and minds that need to be won, and to do that, we need more aboriginal people to be seen to take responsibility for their own communities, rather than be always seen with their hands out. We need to remove the preception of the poor fellah me syndrome, because people's perception is their reality. If a few of the bleeding heart feminazis running around this country opened their blinkered eyes to the situation of their black sisters, there'd be a commotion you could hear from the moon. But that might mean having to go out of their postcode for a look, so, no danger of that happening, but I digress. Rather than shitcan people like Noel Pearson, some of our already well educated Koori folk need to support those with an already favourable public profile in this area,(even if they aren't in complete agreement with their politics), and if we to get more aboriginal people involved in their own rescue, and self determination, those people need to ensure the integrity of those involved. otherwise you end up with an oxygen thief like Jeff Clarke undoing any and all of the good work put in. We as a nation need to go through a change of mindset, and supply the resources I mentioned before, and maybe, this would be easier achieved if aboroginal people were seen to help themselves a bit too. It's all very easy for me to sit here and put my thoughts out there, but as for the intervention, if no else does anything, the status quo is maintained. For every loud opponent of intervention, I suspect there are an awful lot of quietly grateful men, women and children who only want a good, safe life, but who feel powerless against the young, and the strong, the violent, and the drunk.
I also think that Ronald T Gannon has a really bizarre concept of what constitues a normal existence, and that First Priority has access to some pharmecutical grade drugs. FairDinkum!

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Kirstie
March 21st, 2008

How the child is treated is how the child will treat the world- Sam Leo

When we have enough we no longer need, then we are better able to share what we have with others.

People who cannot talk about thier own needs often find it difficult to tolerate others in need.

I think it's sad.

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First Priority !
March 23rd, 2008

PLEASE STOP USING THIS GENOCIDE WORD !!!!

The Latin Dictionary meaning of the word ‘AB’ is twofold.

1. From.
2. To Motion Away, Distance and Separation.

The Exact and Precise definition of the word ‘Aborigine’ is also twofold.

1. From the Beginning.
2. To Take From the Original and To Dispose of the Original.

As in the Mathematical Word ‘Abacus’, To Add and Subtract or
‘Abdomen’, Extract the Food Value and Dispose of the Food Waste.

Other words to consider:
‘Abortion, Abduct, Abandon, Abuse, etc.

The Substance or Essence of the word ‘AB’ is;
Repulse, Repel, Reject, Remove.

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kc
April 9th, 2008

I agree with this system it is the only way to make sure that people are using money for the right purpose, instead of Alcohol and drugs. What about the positives of this scheme. Like the rise in School Attendance and the drops in crime/Violence. Of course not every system is perfect but give it a chance. After all Centrelink payments need to be looked at as a Privelage not a god given right. Go overseas to other countries and they get no assistance from the Government.

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