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Kevin Rudd, Brendan Nelson add their signatures to the 55,000 GetUp members' in support of closing the Indigenous health gap in Canberra


Posted on the campaign blog , March 20th, 2008

Campaign Update: Support for the Close the Gap campaign is making progress, a year has passed since the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition added their signatures in support of the Close the Gap Coalition's plan to end the 17-year life expectancy gap.

However the Government's recent report card has left many discontented with its progress and fundamental concerns remain due to the continuing suspension of the Racial Discrimination Act.


The Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition have signed their names in support of the Close the Gap Coalition's plan to end the 17-year life expectancy gap today in Parliament House's Great Hall. GetUp joined both leaders, Indigenous representatives, health officials and campaign partners in signing the statement at today's historic event.


Ed Coper from Getup


Dozens of ACT GetUp members were there in support as politicians and Indigenous health representatives agreed on a plan to address these shocking inequalities that have third-world health conditions pervading Aboriginal communities. The pledges came at the end of a three-day Indigenous Health Equality summit organised by the HREOC.

Kevin Rudd and Brendan Nelson's signatures came soon after 10,000 GetUp members added their names to the Close the Gap petition - bringing the total number of GetUp signatures to over 50,000, and the total number of Australians to over 100,000.

Cathy Freeman, Ian Thorpe and many others joined the event in support of this campaign, which saw the Prime Minister outline several policy commitments. These included $14.5 million for anti-smoking initiatives, $19 million to strengthen the Indigenous health workforce, and the creation of an Indigenous Health Equality Council to partner with the Government in meeting the targets set to achieve health equality.

This was an important test for the Government, to see how the momentum for positive practical change created by last month's apology would manifest into real steps towards equality that were promised in the apology's delivery. That test was made all the more easier to pass by the impressive mandate your support for this campaign has created.

Health equality is now firmly within our grasp. The public, the politicians and the professionals are all now on board, in large part thanks to you, and Indigenous equality and reconciliation are becoming tangible goals we expect, and demand, to see actively realised.


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Steve
March 21st, 2008

Well done!

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First Priority !
March 23rd, 2008

Get rid of this Genocide word and then we can close the gap;


The Latin Dictionary meaning of the word ‘AB’ is twofold.

1. From.
2. To Motion Away, Distance and Separation.

The Exact and Precise definition of the word ‘Aborigine’ is also twofold.

1. From the Beginning.
2. To Take From the Original and To Dispose of the Original.

As in the Mathematical Word ‘Abacus’, To Add and Subtract or
‘Abdomen’, Extract the Food Value and Dispose of the Food Waste.

Other words to consider:
‘Abortion, Abduct, Abandon, Abuse, etc.

The Substance or Essence of the word ‘AB’ is;
Repulse, Repel, Reject, Remove.

and stop calling us australians...we have our own name for this continent and our own name for our SOVEREIGNTY...we have to be recognised as our own SOVEREIGHN people within our own SOVEREIGN SPACE with our own SOVEREIGN RIGHTS...!!!!

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tan swee tian
March 25th, 2008

Life is not what you see and what you thought they are...if you are a buddhist...then do not let the environment and the people dictate your direction...

especially for someone like dalai lama...he knows better than anyone out there what life is all about....

Dalai lama should do what any learnt monk will do..just live the life the way it comes and not go around trying to change it.....

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Amanda
March 25th, 2008

The biggest thing is to Stop the alcohol and drug abuse it ruins the families and effects a whole town and country. Non-indigenous need to change there mentality of handouts and abuse, there is enough health and education support to get into this working life and better themselves, need to respect and love one another always not matter what colour or race!

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Deni Langman
March 26th, 2008

My suggestions are:
1.Treat the cause of alcohol and drug abuse and build and staff rehab. centres to do this.
2. Have Diabetic Educaters go out to the Communities to teach the Communities about how to watch their diabetes. AND to teach Community members to be Diabetic Educaters.
Diabetes is the cause of Kidney illnesses, gangreen,heart problems, and other related illnesses.
A proper watch and understanding of Diabetes would improve the health standard tremendously.
4.Arrange a nutrition and diaticion to teach the Communities about a proper balanced diet and the importance of milk (calcium)for kids.
5. Arrange a dental check and dental surgery each month for everyone in the Community.
6.For the Young women to get the Cervical Cancer innoculations and for children and babies to have the "kid's innoculations".

I hope my suggestions help.

With that, I thank PM Kevin Rudd and Opposition Leader Brandon Nelson for adding their signatures to this very important petition to Close The Gap.
It was a long time in coming.

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EM
April 1st, 2008

I agree with First Priority! I feel uncomfortable referring to the Indigenous Peoples of this land as Australians. I would much rather they use their cultural name - after all they are the original inhabitants of this wonderous land which is something they deserve to be proud of.

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First Priority !
April 1st, 2008

Deni Langman...Your suggestions DO NOT HELP...!!!

can you PLEASE...keep your suggestions to yourself...

go and get a REAL education on whats going down here...

and don't expect GEEKAY to enlighten you...

Geekay only has the ABILITY to give us the IMPRESSION
that he has knowledge and understanding and insight from
way up there on a higher plane where only the BIG BRAIN and
INTELLECTUALLY SUPERIOR have access...





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Richard Ure
April 1st, 2008

How is it we can settle people from the four corners of the world but aborigines still wallow in disadvantage? The secret of the success of Australia's immigration policy is the minimisation of the formation of ghettoes. What is the point of insisting aboriginal kids go to school then sending them back to the type of communities and locations where none of us would like to live. The days of exclusive, remote communities should be over.

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First Priority !
April 1st, 2008

RICHARD...Who gave you the right to settle peoples from the 4 corners of the earth here in my country...MY country...LEGALLY DOES NOT EXIST...We...the original Nation of this continent...LEGALLY DO NOT EXIST...which is the reason why we are disadvantaged...Foreigners have no right to be here without our permission...and you foreigners have absolutely no right to be insisting on how to administrate us...and stop calling us...australian aborigines...

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Judy
April 2nd, 2008

As an ex-teacher, I see that so much health education that will prolong indigenous lives is done at school. And I see that school attendance by indigenous children is often spasmodic. So, any encouragement to keep these children at school more often will be a big plus. And probably be less expensive than huge projects with the same aim.

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Douglas Chalmers
April 2nd, 2008

Quote GetUp: "Health equality is now firmly within our grasp. The public, the politicians and the professionals are all now on board..."

No, it ISN'T! Its about time that the fantasies associated with native Australian communities (why use the white mans' anthropological term, "aborigine"?) were brought into alignement with REALITY......

With the NT "intervention", it was eventually found that the rates of child abuse in remnote communities were no worse than in white Australian communities generally. That has been confirmed by the sickening scandal in South Australia which belatedly only reached their parliament yesterday.

Now we have effectively the same kind of situation in the Australian community generally with health care. It is disappearing except for the wealthy and the effects of governments wilfully building motor racing circuits and sporting pavilions instead of hospitals for the past decade or more has finally produced the inevitable results.

What is worse, the medical establishment has gone along with that as long as their own very precious interests were protected. Reducing their legal liability for negligence from seven years down to three has been bought at the cost of their complicity and silence on the shocking state of the administration of hospitals in all states.

Again, we are being asked to excuse the duck-shoving that has gone on for decades between the states and the federal government and the blatant disregard for peoples' welfare as a result. The indigenous health care Close the Gap initiative is merely yet another sop to quiten voters by distracting them on the cheap with a few million dollars of funding instead of correcting the entire health system and the billions that requires.

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First Priority !
April 3rd, 2008

DON'T EVEN CALL US...australian...or aborigine...or INDIGENOUS...or NATIVE australian...

ALL you FOREIGNERS...keep your LYING-THIEVING-GENOCIDAL words and names...

every word you FOREIGNERS SPEAK...is loaded with POISON...

READ MY LIPS...i'am NOT australian...or aborigine...

and...STOP KILLING US WITH YOUR KINDNESS...!!!



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SKINHEAD
April 7th, 2008

I'M NOT REALLY A "SKINHEAD."

Is everything OK, FP?
Just WHAT are you talking about? Richard made a great point there, and because he meerly referred to people settling from the four corners of the globe, you assume that HE was the one who made the decision to colonise Australia?!

Jesus wept! I hope your sight's returned when you come to read this comment. -*king idiot! I won't go anywhere near "LYING-THIEVING-GENOCIDAL words and names."

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First Prority !
April 7th, 2008

SKINHEAD...there was AB-SOLUTELY...nothing GREAT...about RICHARDS point...richard used the PLURAL...'WE'...so in fact he included himself...he did NOT mention the word...COLONISATION...he was in fact speaking...POST-COLONISATION...or after the fact of colonisation...SKINHEAD your just like a redneck white trash skinhead...with no understanding of what was actually said...every word that comes out of the mouths of you australians are LOADED with LIES-THEFT and GENODIDE...the very pores of your skin actually OOZES with LIES-THEFT and GENODICE...!!!!

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Free Reality Check
April 7th, 2008

Just thought I would let you know. Throwing money at this problem wont make it go away. the problems with indigenous australians are so socially entrenched that they (or anybody else) will never be able to lift them out of the postition many of them find themselves in!

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geekay
April 7th, 2008

Has anybody noticed the stupidity of First Priority's remarks and his/her "broken record" nonesense..?

He/she condemns the white people (racist in itself) yet: He/she speaks in the English language (poorly and ignorantly), uses a computer, appears to know a little bit about civilisation, berates people with a differing viewpoint and attempts to silence them because he/she can't have a rational and non-abusive opinion, accuses such people of being intellectually superior with no basis and so on, YET, has been taught English, history, computer literacy, purchased technology to do all this and express an opinion..YET, all of these abilities have occurred as a direct result of the indigenous population being able to share the benefits (and some negatives too) of Western civilisation.

Otherwise he would still be walking naked in the bush, bashing a goanna on the head and throwing it over a fire and be perfectly happy doing that.

Fancy that, condemning the ones that helped to introduce civilisation to the indigenous peoples...What a hypocritical idiot..!

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vick
April 8th, 2008

geekay, I agree with you on the issue of First Priority's abuse of everyone who dares utter a word..and it gets to a point where you don't even read his comments 'cos there'll be nothing new and insightful at all in it, just the same old clap trap he's been spouting in every single blog here!!! I've asked First Priority a couple of times to enlighten us as to what he would prefer to be called, but he seems insistent on just being an angry person who actually doesn't want us to call him anything at all!!! We're not to use Australian, Native, Indigenous, Aboriginal....whats left First Priority, what is your cultural name??????

But...I don't agree with all that you've said though Geekay. Yes, we introduced a lot of technology...but at the cost of the environment and damage to the indegenous peoples. It's hard to say just what would've happened had OUR forebears not colonised this land...I believe it would have been someone else...look around the world F.P...there is not one single undamaged indegenous race on this globe...and that is shameful...but it was always gunna happen, sadly (and not all of it has been done by 'ANGLO'S'). Had it not happened????? Who's to say that the indigenous people of this land would not have made their own technology? And even if they didn't..what is so wrong with that???? You think so called 'civilised' people are an advanced culture??? They are not!! they can't look after the environment which supports us, They kill the habitat of every living creature on the planet, they build more and more arms so they can kill anyone who opposes them...nah...the indigenous peoples of the world could've taught us all some extremely valuable things, but they were treated with disdain.

First Priority....I AM AUSTRALIAN and PROUD to be...AUSTRALIA IS MY HOME and MY (our) COUNTRY and I couldn't care less that you think no-one else has the right to call this their country. I appreciate your anger and sadness, but I've had enough of your blatantly abusive and racist comments...you are no better than the 'Anglos' who mistreated your people......

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vick
April 8th, 2008

F.P...here are some of the more common definitions of the word Aboriginal

The word "aboriginal" means "the first" or "earliest known". The word was first used in Italy and Greece (Ooooh!!! Look! NOT ANGLO!!!!!!!) to describe people who lived there, natives or old inhabitants, not newcomers, or invaders.

Having existed in a region from the beginning: aboriginal forests.

The latin meaning of the word ´aboriginal` is “first or earliest so far as history or science gives record“1. In the English language it later on adopted the meaning “primitive“ and stood for the flora, fauna and ancestral populations of different countries. Although the connotation ´primitive` disappeared and the term is written with a capital „A“

This is not to say that you should be called by this name...you shouldn't, you should be called by whatever name relates to your particular region...whatever that name may be. I just highlight that you are picking words apart to continue your abuse of everyone

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First Priority !
April 8th, 2008

Heeey GeeeKaaay man...where you been hiding GK...i miss you all these days...wondering where you been...DON'T YOU KNOW...its impossible for rednecks and white trash to introduce anybody to civilisation...there is no civilisation in a state of LIES-THEFT and GENOCIDE...its all just a big white elephant...

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First Priority !
April 8th, 2008

GEEKAY...in fact...the spirit of civilisation would never commit genocide against other human beings in order to introduce them to civilisation...and the spirit of civilisation wouldn't dare set foot in a STATE OF...you guessed it GK...LIES-THEFT and GENOCIDE...and don't worry GK...im not trying to silence you...i'd be bored out of my brains if you didn't amuse me here...nice to see you doing some research there VICK...don't hurt yourself in the process

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vick
April 9th, 2008

F.P......Hahahahahahaha...it seems at least there is some type of sense humour in you...........albeit sarcastic, which as we all know is the lowest form of humour...thats ok, keep up the effort!!!

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First Priority !
April 9th, 2008

Vick...just between you and me...i think i have succeeded in pulling Geekay down to my level...can you tell...he's wearing down...i think you and i should join forces against him...!!!
if you join up with me against these loosers...i'll tell you the sacred name of my sacred land and country...i think your a redhead right Vick...???

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geekay
April 9th, 2008

Hi Vic,

Looks like you won your a "friend" in First Priority :)

Having read his/her comments for some time now I see a pattern emerging...

Repeat your own nonesense, racist and dumb sayings...

Always focuss on extreme negativism...

Always ignore good news stories and facts...

Won't/can't answer many issues raised by many readers...

Inability to rationalise and elaborate on a point of view...

Belittle and insult those with an alternative opinion...

Can't handle scrutiny or criticism...

and again, repeat your own nonesense and think you are superior to everybody else...

Notice how other Blogs where First Priority rambles on with this rubbish suddenly stop and die off...? It's a clear sign reasonable people have had enough of this fool and move to another site...

Freedom of speech is great..Freedom from Fools takes time..!

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Kylie
April 9th, 2008

First Priority - where you from brother??? Go on, tell me, I'm curious.... Just don't disappoint and say you're from the Wannabe Tribe lol

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vick
April 9th, 2008

First Priority.......you're scaring me now!! LOL you didn't even yell at me!!! Lulling me into a false sense of security????? Actually, I have light brown hair...sorry bout that.

D'ya know what tho? It may be hard to comprehend, but I actually am on your side in a sense...I see where you're coming from and I totally respect your righteous anger and deep sadness about what has happened to your people...I just think you're going about it in the wrong way. You will garner more respect and support and understanding for your point of view if you can explain to people what they are doing rather than abuse them...'cos we DIDN"T learn ANYTHING at school, all we learnt was about Captain Cook and his mates, just the white perspective, we honestly don't mean to disrespect you and yours! we just haven't been educated about it!...and hopefully all that will change for my kids. My kids go to school with 10 indigenous kids, the local Indigenous C0-op is organising to get an education program happening at the school so everyone can learn all they need to Know....hopefully that'll be the beginning of then end to all the terminology that hurts you......sorry I've been using the term Indigenous...I still don't know what to say!!!!

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vick
April 9th, 2008

Geekay, I can't (and wouldn't dare!!!!) speak for First Priority, but sometimes people get sooo angry about stuff that it totally blinds and consumes them...from what I've read of F.P's comments, in my opinion he seems to feel sooo strongly about all the terminology and so worried about his culture, and sooo frustrated that nothing appears to be changing (or perhaps not quick enough) that he just gets all consumed in the aggro of what he believes we're doing rather than seeing most of us are not deliberately being disrespectful. And so he reacts angrily instead of rationally explaining just what it is we are doing.

Of course, I could be wrong and he may just be unstable!!!lol

But if you can, sit back and look PAST the aggro to try to understand what it is that he's saying.......then it's up to him to teach us (nicely!!!!) what words we should be using.
You could maybe try thinking about how you'd feel if it was your people.....I know I'D be pissed!...

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First Priority !
April 10th, 2008

Vick...i've never yelled at you...why did you go and console GEEKAY...why does everybody think i'm racist and full of hatred...some of my best friends are anglo white australians...they have me over for yabbies on the barbie...i throw a goanna on the open fire for them when they come visit me...their little buggers play with my children...i'm not beyond the reach of reason...do you think GEEKAY might be a professional psycho...i mean...a professional psycho-person who analyses human behavior...hope i spelled that right...

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First Priority !
April 10th, 2008

Vick...i know you like poetry...can i woo you with this...?

...red MOTHER earth...

Defiled before our very eyes
No tongue can ever tell
Beyond description violated
They cast our Mother down

We her children Silently
In shame we followed her
Into the deepest darkest pit
We follow Mother Earth

Veiled in red she beat her head
Despair would dry her eyes
We pant our cries we thirst
Their Lies Their Theft
This Genocide

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vick
April 10th, 2008

First Priority, you may think it was just consolation for Geekay, but I was also trying to open his eyes as to what it is you're trying to express with the repeated messages.

That is a beautiful poem, it speaks volumes and is very powerful! who wrote that poem?

You can come across as being full of hatred with your vehemence. I'm glad to see I had you pegged wrong and I apologise, it's just that you come across as generalising anglos as something that is inherently racist and we are not...some are, but they're not worth worrying about in my opinion!....by the way Goanna on the fire sounds yum! I got my certificate in horticulture in the yarra valley on a bush foods farm, we had a ground oven (beef though, not Goanna) and the local Wurundjeri elder came and did a smoking ceremony,the ground oven cooks the meat sooo well....mmmmmmm.....ground oven..........yum!!!!!!

I dont think Geekay is a professional psychologist...I think if that were the case he'd be able to see beyond the anger to the message behind......

I hope you have a lovely weekend, I'm off to hospital tomorrow, so i'll have to come and tell you all off in a few days!!!LOL....you & Geekay..try & play nice!!!

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Watto
April 11th, 2008

An open message to Getup: Please do not send me anymore material on the Dalai Lama. I do not support an independent Tibet, as it is part of China and should not be seperated. What misery under the feudal Buddhists. I have supported you on many issues but not this one. Your campaign is sheer nonsense.

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First Priority !
April 11th, 2008

Vick...i'm the only FOOL around here talking about...LIES-THEFT and GENOCIDE...and you ask me...'Who wrote that poem' ?

Kylie...what can i say...? i feel like a HIJACKER...
Tell me a Secret Kylie...!!!

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Douglas Chalmers
April 22nd, 2008

Will it ever get any better here? The very latest on black womens' rights in the USA http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?o=1&f=/c/a/2008/04/09/MNDS102IIM.DTL

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First Priority !
April 22nd, 2008

Doug Doug Doug...the Majora Carter incident had nothing whatsoever to do with BLACK WOMENS RIGHTS in the usa or anywhere else in the world...Doug, it seems to me like you TOTALLY MISSED THE POINT there...so im thinking...HOW OFTEN do you miss the point on any of these very important issues...??????????...but thankyou for your contribution anyways...

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tantay
April 22nd, 2008

I am a proud Narrunga woman, educated and currently working for the government to close the gap. My experience in Aboriginal communities and working with the government is extensive and i am still wondering if the government really are serious about closing the gap.....or maybe they just want to fill the gap!

It is said that the people living in the remote communities are living in 3rd world conditions......hello!!!! more like 4th world! But some how they still manage to smile. they are.......we are some of the most remarkable people ever to grace this beautiful land!!!!!

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honest john
May 10th, 2009

tantay
i must agree with you having spent the last 3 decades travelling in the 3rd world.
i ve worked in many remote communities like Balgo and 4th world it is.
Cotton Creek had no severage system for over 4 years, packed in shortly after new buildings were erected.
The water was also contaminated with uranium.
The plan by the mining industry is to poison everyone with alcohol, hence FAS.Without traditional knowledge of sacred sites then it will be full steam ahead.
King Leopold left 10 million dead in a decade after the discovery of rubber in the Congo.
the practice of annialation by these big companies is nothing new, just more clandestine.

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Douglas Chalmers
April 22nd, 2008

Oh, First Priority !, it seems that YOUR point is to simply criticize me. Any black woman in any Western country would instantly recognize "the point".

Go wake up some more ghosts at http://womenforwik.org/ - they have a forum too at http://womenforwik.freeforums.org/viewforum.php?f=1

But then, do you have any issue - or is the problem really just you???

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First Priority !
April 22nd, 2008

Doug...

like i said...Thankyou for your contribution...!!!



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First Priority !
April 22nd, 2008

Tantay...

Proud Narrunga Woman...Don't wonder about it anymore...Take my Word for it...everything the white foreigners give us...is still loaded with a very dangerous poison...intended to kill us...not to benefit us...and AB-solutely everything they do is an ILLUSION to make everybody think...that they are really doing something...whatever they do is only to make them look good on the books...when they present the books to the united nations...australia really is a state of LIES-THEFT and GENOCIDE...!!!!

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honest john
May 10th, 2009

First Priority !
of course its GENOCIDE.
in the kimberley is a blood diamond mine with the poison being dished up at the halls creek "animal bar" just down the road.

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geekay
April 22nd, 2008

Forum contributors..I invite you to look through the other sites that First Priority infects with his malicious, repetitive and pointless nonsense...decent participants abandon them.

Check them out and don't entertain this toxic, bullying2k fool, he thinks he gains cred from his dillusions.

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geekay
April 23rd, 2008

What more can I say :)

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Wendy Berg
April 23rd, 2008

I am one of the people who stopped contributing to any of the Getup forums because I was sooooo sick of the racsist bitter attitudes.
I can't believe what first priority gets away with, if I am white trash........you are black trash.
I want better for people, not by colour( by the way you hav'nt mentioned fp how much white trash blood you have in you)
I feel for the indigenous people of this land who fp is representing.
Nothing will ever be resolved by these means.
Bag me all you want, after all that has been said your opinion means nothing!!!!!!!!!!

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Cambo
April 24th, 2008

I can't help but think... these remote communities which are unviable in their own right (that is there are no industries and most inhabitants live on social security). Why is the government spending money on supporting these towns if they contribute nothing to the economy? They are simply a deadweight drain on resources.
Perhaps the best way to 'close the gap' as it were, is to either find a way to make these communities self-sustaining, or stop funding in order to force residents into larger towns where there ARE schools, hospitals etc.

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Heather Carey
April 24th, 2008

Do you notice its all about us doing stuff for them - thats the problem - getting an education requires motivating children from the parents. Cleaning a house ( maintaining flush tiolets) requires social pressure and maybe a stick too , people live in crowded conditions in the NT because housing is not maintained and often burnt out and trashed along with community buildings . Who should pay or replace it ? Yes there is high unemployment but a 5 year plan is needed by the parents to train up teenagers to take over the jobs that are done by whitefellas. Nurses, teachers, police, store keepers,builders, administraters etc. As it is, few people speak fluent English in the NT, and thats CRAP . There have been a number of programs in place to train people in higher education for about 20 years but little motivation. Boredom has the same consequences in whitefella society as aboriginal society - drinking and drugs. So dont buy into the "its all the whitefellas fault line of arguments " Its not anymore - it only takes 5 -10 years of concerntrating on getting the children ( or adults) trained up and there will be no more excusses or anyone to blame.

Half of my family are aboriginal in the NT and I have worked in remote areas for over 25 years - no excusses , aboriginal teenagers are rearing to learn - they just need a bit of a push to take up the opportunities that are waiting for them. Even if it means using money as an incentive to get to the educational bench marks - not just attendance at school.

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Wendy Berg
April 25th, 2008

first priorty, I knew you wouldn't be offended, after all you call white people "redneck white trash imbecile idiots, who lie thieve and are genocidal pychopaths".
Thank goodness not all indigenous people are like you!
You create barriers that would not be there.
If a white man had the same attitude as you, I would right him off to!!!!

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honest john
May 10th, 2009

Wendy Berg
the exspression "white trash " has nothing to do with skin colour or race.

The term white trash originated in the Baltimore and Washington, DC area during the 1820s post-revolutionary war reconstruction boom. During that period, many poor people migrated to the area, and white and black semi-skilled workers were competing for the same jobs, resources and marriage partners. The term white trash first came into common use in the 1830s as a pejorative used by upper-class United States southerners of all races against financially disadvantaged caucasians.It was synonymous with the slurs sand hiller, "sandlapper", and clay eater. The last term was because Upper-class Southerners assumed poor white farmers farmed ineptly on poor land, and consequently had nothing to eat but clay.

In 1854 Harriet Beecher Stowe wrote the chapter "Poor White Trash" in her book A Key to Uncle Tom's Cabin. Stowe tells the reader that slavery not only produces "degraded, miserable slaves", but also poor whites who are even more degraded and miserable. The plantation system forced those whites to struggle for subsistence. Beyond economic factors, Stowe traces this class to the shortage of schools and churches in their community, and says that both blacks and whites in the area look down on these "poor white trash".Sociologist Max Weber described white trash as "[those] not owning slaves".

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Howling Wind
May 10th, 2009

You say "the expression white trash" has nothing to do with skin colour or race

Oh brother!

Context is everything deciding whether the term is merely derogatory or derogatory and racist

Or even merely humourous

Origin of a term may clarify it's use at a later time. But it is context that ultimately defines it.

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geekay
April 27th, 2008

Like some previous contributors..certain ones get their kicks from being a broken record and think people listen to them seriously....most others, however, "entertain" them out of pity or scorn, not from their intellectual or healing input.

You see, broken records are hollow, repetitive, give no hope, direction or substance to their mindless rantings and, I suppose, normal people don't mind having a go at a fool who won't learn.

Unfortunately, fools take up valuable time and energy of those who want to heal and move on and have goodwill within their hearts.

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DENI LANGMAN
April 28th, 2008

Sorry Folks, have to CANCELL the GetUp Reconciliation Conversation on Tuesday night.
Apologies to those people who put their names down to participate.
SORRY!!!!
DENI.

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jacko
May 22nd, 2008

"Well done" to everyone involved in this action. It's true, "sorry" is just the start. I am personally appalled by the fact that the British government, and the monarchy, have steadfastly refused calls to acknowledge the great responsibility of their own institutions in this tragic history and say "sorry" themselves. Months have now passed and there has been nothing from them whatsoever. Thank you so much Britain! There has never been a better reason or moment for Australia to finally grow up and become a republic. And, while we're at it, let's make Aboriginal and other human rights a cornerstone of our new constitution.

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honest john
April 13th, 2009

jacko
i heard from an old cattle man that the wages for aboriginals were paid and collected by the crown and that the british government have billions in accumalted wages with compounded interest. why dont the australian govt. sue the british for these wages and the none payment of rent to aboriginals plus compensation for the murder of aboriginal men women and children?

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Phildrio
April 13th, 2009

It is a shame that what starts as a perfectly reasonable suggestion in Jacko's post should be translated into a piece of paranoid racist lunacy by HJ

HJ suggests that the Australians sue "the british" for the supposedly missing wages he has heard about from "an old cattle man" on the presumption that such wages were collected by "the Crown"

HJ the term "the Crown" used in Australian context refers to the Crown of Australia as clearly defined in the Constitution of Australia:

"The legislative power of the Commonwealth shall be vested in a Federal
Parliament, which shall consist of the Queen, a Senate, and a House of
Representatives, and which is herein-after called “The Parliament,” or “The
Parliament of the Commonwealth.”

So for a start you are asking the Australian Crown to sue itself. Which it cannot do. A third party would have to bring the matter before the High Court

But then the matter really has - as yet - no proven substance, nor has the claim that there exists a "non payment of rent to aboriginals"

As to the question of "compensation for the murder of aboriginal men women and children" such actions would first have to be proved in a Court of Law, as would the presumption that this mysterious and undefined institution you call "the british" is either collectively or individually (as an institution, of whatever kind) responsible

Jacko seems to be suggesting that the British Crown and Government issue an institutional acknowledgement and apology for the sins of the British Empire. As a person British born I would support that, but I would seek that it be combined with an acknowledgement and apology for the hundreds of years of INTERNAL class based repression, oppression, enclosure-based disinheritance, and dispossession - for the press ganging of British youth into the army and navy and the disenfranchisement of the majority of the population - that my British forebears themselves suffered

To identify a present people with their ancestral Government, when their forebears for the most part had no vote in its composition - and until after the Great War that was the case in the UK - is simply racist. The nebulous concept that HJ calls "the british" for the most part had NO part in any of this mess but rather were victims of internal tyranny themselves. It is a Weltanschauung seemingly based on avoiding understanding history but rather ingesting propagandist nonsense and promulgating racist prejudice, as if such action inferred the possession of the "moral high ground"

It is indeed time that Australia became a Republic and I wholeheartedly endorse Jacko's suggestion that Aboriginal and human rights form the cornerstone of our new constitution.

But I also rather agree that in some people there is some "growing up" yet to be done - To me that means an end to unproven racist claims in any direction, aimed at any "target" - an end to deliberate antagonism and rejection of reconciliation and - above all the to practice - however forgiveable and trauma based, of sulking over matters that are beyond anyone's control, with whatever change of attitude, to rectify

Reconciliation, a new Constitution, and compensation where proven crimes have been committed and perpetrators prosecutable are all ultimately about empowering people as individuals and our community as a whole to "move on"

And "moving on" is what is needed most as more and more indigenous people achieve their rightful place amongst the most educated and powerful people in our society.

Past repression is rapidly becoming an acceptable excuse only when it is combined with present effort. The opportunities are there more than they have ever been before and so is public sympathy and support for a new deal.

'nuff said.


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Inew2town
April 11th, 2009

Health equality should be the right of every person in this country, not just the rich, or a squeaky wheel getting greased. EQUALITY as the AU Oxford Mini Dictionary cites is same number, same size, same merit; opportunity to be 'equal' to others regardless of any differences of any kind [race, colour, gendre, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, etc.].
Equal pay for equal work, no matter what the gender or cultural background of a person. People being treated differently or unfairly is not what the Human Rights declaration is about; it is about doing the same for everyone by treating all people with dignity and respect as an individual.
I hope to stand along side GetUp and the AU Human Rights Commission to advocate in making this a reality for everyone! Health care to improve everyone's life is an issue the government needs to know we are all serious about equalising for everyone.

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ClareG
May 9th, 2009

You Know, First Priority, you sound exactly like a racist white person.

Just because I'm not an indigenous Australian (what should I call you instead?) doesn't mean I'm 'redneck white trash', racist or anything else. At the risk of sounding cliched, we should be judged for who we are on the inside not the outside. Generalisiong and judging someone on their skin colour is part of what you're complaing of, right? So don't do it yourself.

Calling someone a white 'foreigner' is also a very stupid and prejudiced thing to do. I may have been born in NZ but i feel Australian. I love Australia-it's my home, and it's the same with many of us 'white forigners'. Where would you have us go? I mean sending, gor eg. someone whose irish great-grandparents came out to Australia about 100yrs ago, saying that's where they belong is just stupid.

I live in th northern suburbs in melbourne and i go to a very multicultural school. I'm surrounded by people of different racial backgrounds to me, and it rocks!I'm not aracist or a redneck, and calling someone white trash has to be one of the most prejudiced and unfair things you can say. Look at yourself first.


Don't get me wrong. I agree that what happened to you people is genecide. Everytime I think about it I shudder. I don't understand how peopl could do that, and probably never will! But it happened and now we have to deal withh the consquences. There's no point blamin peoplwe who didn't do it, or people like me who weren't even alive when it happened.

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HowlingWind
May 10th, 2009

"How come they drew up all the rules before I got here" That's how we used to put it a generation or so ago, Clare. And you are right and courageous to speak out.

We seem to be expected to be born into an "original sin" but not that of Eve and the serpent but rather the original sin inherited from people who in my case and yours weren't even our forefathers

The logic of this accusation totally escapes me. I agree to institutional apology but I reject all attempts to hang the execution rope of guilt around MY neck.

You are absolutely correct to say, "There's no point blaming people who didn't do it, or people like me who weren't even alive when it happened."

I agree - I accept no accusation of or guilt arising from some more "superstitious" believers adherence to the insane concept of "original sin" - to me it is a borderline psychotic concept

Your school sounds wonderful, if there are others like you sharing cultures and looking forward.

Separate history from ideological anecdote and look forward and move forward together from what is the REAL and NOW - and towards a better world

That was always our dream as we sung "We shall overcome."

Peace! Live long and Prosper

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honest john
May 10th, 2009

HowlingWind
aparteid only ended in 1975 in W.A.
so this BULLSHIT about it happenning 100 years ago is the propaganda the history revisors invented by whindschuttle jonny "jackboot" howard and their deciples.

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Howling Wind
May 10th, 2009

Your point HJ? Or are you just being insulting for the joy it brings you.

As a student at school in Melbourne I presume Clare was born after 1990 so I earnestly doubt her involvement in the political state of WA or anywhere else in 1975.

Please don't try to put your Wadjela guilt trip on other people - I don't blame indigenous people here for what happened to my ancestors back in the old country and find it is just as illogical to blame a young person or a migrant for what happened to the Aborigines

Talk your personal guilt problems over with someone who cares, you might be able to get it on medicare.

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Howling Wind
May 10th, 2009

Getting back on track - this thread is about healing a present situation - that of ending the seventeen year life expectancy gap.

Those of us in our sixties, and over, with indigenous friends, feel this personally with the loss of people we love. I particularly felt it when a part Aboriginal and part Maori friend died some twenty years ago

Her partner gave my wife the engagement ring he had given to his wife. It is worn with great pride and a determination that my friends people should soon share our life expectancy as a right.

To the spirit of a very dear friend....

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honest john
May 11th, 2009

Howling Wind
according to your total ignorance to true history of this racist counrty i suggest you do a cultural awareness course to bring you up to scratch.

then i the future you may cease to classify others on their racial purity - part Aboriginal and part Maori

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Howling Wind
May 11th, 2009

My friend was very proud of her ancestry, HJ. She was a fine person who used her identity, as quoted in her terms by me, to validate her involvement in indigenous affairs. She was a proud Maori and a proud Aboriginal, a doubly proud Australian

She was very far from being lacking in influence in such matters, and added to that the fact that she was beloved by friends from a multitude of backgrounds. She would sit over a beer in the pub after work with friends of all backgrounds who adored her as a friend. She died of cancer in her early fifties. Sometimes I drove her to her early hospital treatments. She died so quickly that for some months afterwards I would think I had caught a glimpse of her in the street near her home.

As such a beloved person she inspired compassion amongst scores of non indigenous people for indigenous causes and for the cause of reconciliation and the betterment of indigenous conditions. Out of respect for her and another indigenous workmate we flew the Koorie flag next to the Australian flag over our workplace - one of the first "mixed" workplaces so to do. She was delighted to see it there where it belonged. I wish other workplaces would do that

I remember one story she told me and I pass it on to you. She was called into a meeting held by State Government Public Servants relating to Aboriginal advancement

The white seminar leader spoke for about forty minutes about the past history of Aboriginal people, in particular relating to the massacres. The leader suddenly noted her indigenous audience was not paying any attention to her, so she said,

"What is the matter, aren't you interested in hearing about the massacres?"

They replied, "We know all about those, we grew up knowing about them. We are waiting for you to start telling us what you have in mind doing about NOW"

You could learn from her HJ. We all did when she told us the story - that one and many others. I later saw her telling those same stories, and explaining indigenous affairs, to a member of the Royal Household who was deeply moved and impressed and, no doubt took them back with him to Buckingham Palace..

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honest john
May 10th, 2009

howling wind
my grandfather was a communist and fought against the aparteid system.
he was persecuted by fellow citizens and the government of the day that was voted in by the majority.
the white australia policy was supported by the majority ,
so for australians to plead innocence and ignorance is no a defence.
australians racist fascists?
guilty as charge your worship

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Howling Wind
May 11th, 2009

HJ you say:
"the white australia policy was supported by the majority , so for australians to plead innocence and ignorance is no a defence."

Yet you do not apply that to the people of Gaza who by your same logic voted in the genocidal Hamas Charter through their election of a Hamas Government. It is you who raves on about their "innocence".

So individual Australians - your own people - have no right in your crazy world to the presumption of innocence in the actions of a Government. But those who voted in a blatently racist and genocidal Charter do. Not much of an "Australian " are you? Or do I misunderstand you? Or does Islamism override truth? I'm asking. Is theology your "reality"?

It is you that are implying "guilt" here. Not me. It's your strange logic - whose only core seems to be your personal ideological and personal religious makeup!

And anything advantaging same.

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Howling Wind
May 10th, 2009

If you are young or a recent migrant - and combined we number over fifty percent of the population, we have no guilt and no blame.

Take your complaints where the guilt lies

And its not here - its more on the fifty percent of YOU that is of nineteenth century European descent my friend

None of it is on us

So stick your guilt trip where it fits. We'll concentrate on putting the mess right!



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honest john
May 11th, 2009

Howling Wind / Phil

why bring the middle east into blackfellas business?
dont muddy the waters with your zionist sympathyzing.

i know the british and israelis have common policies on apartheid,history revision, genocide and land theft, but this is getting off the track .

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honest john
May 11th, 2009

Howling Wind

##And its not here - its more on the fifty percent of YOU that is of nineteenth century European descent my friend##


i think the term your looking for is "half-caste.RACIST

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Howling Wind
May 11th, 2009

Until almost the nineteen eighties no member of my family had ever set foot in Australia, HJ. No member of my family was ever in Government in the UK or in Europe. My ancestors were working class and poor, as far back as I can trace them. They suffered disease poverty and famine too, and even the oppression of churches.

You should be proud of just how far this country has come in so short a time and proud of the determination of your fellow Australians to put to right so much that remains wrong.

In the past MY family had a rough time too. Get over it and move on.

Quite why you think I'd be looking for the term "half caste racist" is totally beyond me.

Weird!

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ClareG
May 11th, 2009

First of all Honest John, I was aware that the stolen Generation finished in the 1970's. I was shocked when I found out. I actually learnt that when an indigenous australian speaker came and spoke at my school about the apology to the stolen generation (the father of 2 kids at my school)One of the most moving speeches I've ever heard-I actually cried.

Secondly, I was born in 1992, in NZ. So yeah, I wasn't involved.

I think the Apology was important. It's a way of acknowledging and accepting what happened and saying that we know it's wrong. THe Stolen Generation was awful, but as much as we may regret we can't change the fact it happened.

To go blaming anyyone and everyone for it is pointless. As long as all we do is fight about who did it we're not going to get anywhere. We have to get to work on fixing it. We all need to work together for that, because first of all, to fix the problem we need to understand it. (Since when has fighting helped to increase understanding?) THen we need to work together to find a solution or solutions that will actually work.

I repeat, playing the blame game won't help.


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honest john
May 11th, 2009

ClareG

im just peed off with the constant denials by the likes of phildeerhound.

aparteid did exist and it wasnt generations ago.

a good freind who is only in his early 50s was taken from his mother at 18 months and molested and beaten for 15 years then told to piss off with nothing but the shirt on his back.

that was at roelands mission in W.A. in 1975.

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Phildeerhound
May 11th, 2009

The assertion I objected to HJ was in your post on 15th April 2009 on the “One Year on from Sorry” thread

You assertion was as follows:

“british south africans came to W.A. to study the "1905 apartied act"before it was introduced in to S.A.” (I have left spelling as it was)

My objection was firstly that there was no such act either in WA or in fact in the Republic of South Africa at any time. Further I objected that no such visit by British South Africans ever took place and furthermore that opposition to apartheid came almost entirely FROM British South Africans - an opposition supported by all political parties in the United Kingdom centreing on Prime Minister MacMillan’s “Wind of Change” speech, courageously made in person in the South African Parliament.

Practical opposition to Apartheid largely emanated from London, led by members of all parties in Great Britain. The first major demonstration against a South African Embassy took place there at the time of the Smith regime’s attempt at placing Rhodesia under independent White Minority rule. I was there in the Strand.

As to my personal involvement in this, as a Briton always opposed to Apartheid since the Sharpville shooting, when I first became aware of it (at school we collected money for the victims’ families) is based on the reality that the Apartheid introducing Government of the National Party was a Boer dominated (Afrikaaner) Government. Internal opposition came mainly from British South Africans, many putting their lives and liberty at risk. My own grandfather had fought against the Boers (Afrikaaners) in the Boer War which ended in 1902, three years before the timeline of HJ’s accusation. However I would like to make it clear that I am not applauding the Boer War per se.

Another HJ assertion I objected to was the supposed licensing of WA settlers to murder Aborigines by the WA Government. I asked for sources in this matter, which HJ had expressed in the words:

“no mention of licenses issued to white settlers in W.A. in the late 1930s that legalized the murder of aboriginals by the use of 303s, which was considered a humane way of getting rid of blackfellas.” (13th April 2009)

As a result of this request for sources I was subject to abuse from HJ as follows:
“holocaust denier. now i know youre full of shit. do your own research. typical blow in” (13th April 2009)

Let us be quite clear. I am making no claim that the WA Government behaved in an acceptable fashion towards indigenous people, or that any other colonial administration, or state of federal Government behaved in an acceptable fashion. On this basis I supported the institutional apology as a matter of justice and acceptance of crime and error

But I do not think indigenous causes are assisted by falsehoods invented often by white fellow travelers seeking to dominate indigenous affairs, and all too often with their own distorted and irrelevant agenda - including sometimes (of all things for Heaven’s sake) muslim and even Islamist conversion - I should have thought further interference in Aboriginal spiritual culture after the Christian conversion disasters was totally unreasonable and detrimental to Indigenous Culture and belief.

HJ’s assertion about events at a mission in WA in 1975 may well be true - but that is still thirty five years ago and a matter that probably belongs within the ambit of research and inquiry into the “Stolen Generation”

But frankly what this alleged action has to do with me (at the alleged time I was in Germany and had never even visited Australia) is quite beyond me!

So it is with one piece of abuse after another - a category is invented or borrowed - for example “British” or “Israeli” . The person being argued against is then put into that category and the category itself collectively demonised. This is politics and propaganda of the lowest order of racist filth, aimed at ideological advantage and not at humanitarian reform, reconciliation and peace, or even at rectification and repair of damage, relief of trauma and betterment of present and future. It is the kind of cruel rubbish one encounters in Jihad actions

Anger is understandable and forgivable. False accusation that demonises and vilifies another “group” is not. It is all too much like the actions of some sufferers of bubonic plague during the Black Death, who tried to transfer the sickness onto others through rubbing against them in streets halls and market places. And it is all too much like the racist propaganda tactics of the Third Reich - to which I say “No Passeran” - they shall not pass!

To secure a better future for all our people, indigenous descent, settler descent, migrant, or of migrant descent, will require we all work together, putting our anger to one side and seeking consensus programmes we put into action

Solidarity can win this battle- anger only makes ultimate victory over disadvantage retreat even further into a distant future - or into “never”

Love of Australia and it’s people means we try, remembering that there were those in previous generations who fought these same battles and remain, in spirit, beside us.

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honest john
May 11th, 2009

phil the holocaust denier

dont twist the truth.
i posted links to the site for evidence of an aparteid system and you are still in denial.

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Phildeerhound
May 11th, 2009

Of what for Heaven sake HJ! I've campaigned on these issues since 1960. That is forty nine years. And I first defended a child against a racist attack in 1957

Where were you in 1960? Do tell.

And 1957? - The year the first Sputnik went up.

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Phildeerhound
May 11th, 2009

The following gives the lie to HJ's claims of (European)complicity in the actions of the apartheid regime. Note that France and the UK abstained from voting but did not oppose or seek to veto the vote.:

Resolution 134 (1960) of 1 April 1960
The Security Council,

Having considered the complaint of twenty-nine Member States contained in document S/4279 and Add.11 concerning ”the situation arising out of the large-scale killings of unarmed and peaceful demonstrators against racial discrimination and segregation in the Union of South Africa”,

Recognizing that such a situation has been brought about by the racial policies of the Government of the Union of South Africa and the continued disregard by that Government of the resolutions of the General-Assembly calling upon it to revise its policies and bring them into conformity with its obligations and responsibilities under the Charter of the United Nations,

Taking into account the strong feelings and grave concern aroused among Governments and peoples of the world by the happenings in the Union of South Africa,

1. Recognizes that the situation in the Union of South Africa is one that has led to international friction and if continued might endanger international peace and security;

2. Deplores that the recent disturbances in the Union of South Africa should have led to the loss of life of so many Africans and extends to the families of the victims its deepest sympathies;

3. Deplores the policies and actions of the Government of the Union of South Africa which have given rise to the present situation;

4. Calls upon the Government of the Union of South Africa to initiate measures aimed at bringing about racial harmony based on equality in order to ensure that the present situation does not continue or recur, and to abandon its policies of apartheid and racial discrimination;

5. Requests the Secretary-General, in consultation with the Government of the Union of South Africa, to make such arrangements as would adequately help in upholding the purposes and principles of the Charter and to report to the Security Council whenever necessary and appropriate.

Adopted at the 856th meeting
by 9 votes to none, with 2
abstentions (France, United
Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland).


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honest john
May 11th, 2009

aparteid was in australia long before S.A.

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ClareG
May 11th, 2009

Yes, many horrific things happened in Australia, and nobody here wants to take away from that. Neither is anyone trying to make excuses-what excuses could you make anyway?

However, arguing every single detail isn't helping anyone. (Not that I'm saying that these things aren't important, if it happened to someone of course it is.) We have to concentrate on fixing these problems. By arguing like this you're making the problem worse. Let's be constructive!

I'll start. Being a student I can tell you this, we learn NOTHING about Australian Aboriginal history at school. I know a lot of people who still have the idea that we only have about 200/250 or so years of history which is obviously wrong. So how about we start by putting in some Indigenous history in our curriculum. Even a little bit would be better then what we have now-nothing.

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honest john
May 11th, 2009

ClareG
the real history is probably too horrific for the school curriculum ,but seeekers of the truth should use John Pilger as a reference.
the cultural studies course i did in the west used his docos as a reference .

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Howling Wind
May 11th, 2009

Could I strongly recommend, Clare, the "Encyclopaedia of Aboriginal Australia": Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander History, Society and Culture by D. Horton

It is available on CD Rom but frankly is rather heavily overpriced in this form so it is worth looking round for a copy in a library - paper or disk.

It is brilliant - and an ideal starting point for accurate research

If you are looking at European history, a tip - look closely at the "missing Empire" - the Byzantine Empire (Later Roman Empire)

History simply does not make sense without it (Circa AD300 to 1453) and for ideological and theological reasons it is often "left out"

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ClareG
May 11th, 2009

Thank you for the reccomendation. I'll have a look for a paper copy (i detest reading on computers).

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ClareG
May 11th, 2009

Just to clarify what I mean by Indigenous History. I meant the history BEFORE Australia was colonised, or perhaps a bit about the culture/way that they lived. Some of the local indigenous tribe's (no offence meant) tradiotional stories would be good-we could do sessions with teachers/elders from the local aboriginal tribe (no offence meant) or somethjing like that.

We do learn about the Stolen Generations, in both Primary and High School. We learn some pretty sad stuff too.

Just thought I'd made that clear.

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honest john
May 11th, 2009

ClareG
"VOICES OF THE FIRST DAY - awakening in the aboriginal dreamtime" by Robert Lawlor is essential reading for those interested in aboriginal culture.

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ClareG
May 11th, 2009

Thank-you

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honest john
May 11th, 2009

ClareG

ANGUS AND ROBERTSON have copies for 55 dollars.
well worth it.
cheers HJ

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Phildeerhound
May 11th, 2009

Since 1865 Australian State Governments virtually had administrative independence from Great Britain as a result of legislation such as the Colonial Laws Validity Act.

By 1901 Australia was an independent Dominion under an Australian constitution

So the point of your argument totally escapes me, HJ. Race relations in Australia were an Australian matter since 1865 and not a British matter. As a result attempts to stick blame on "the British" for internal Australian race relations in the last nearly one and a half centuries are utterly ridiculous.

If you want to argue about history HJ , please read some. You seem to be following anecdotes and ideological assertions and using them to formulate and justify - and then propound "opinions"

There is clear responsibility, when expressing a history based opinion, to go back and check your sources, ignoring hearsay and politically and ideologically motivated unfounded assertions.

It is extremely irritating to keep having to correct you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions

No-one is entitled to their own facts.

When you apply a term such as "apartheid" outside the Republic of South Africa then you need to make clear what exactly it is that you mean - most especially because the term is almost untranslatable. Neither of the two most common translations "racial segregation" or "separate development" really capture it - most especially because amongst the Afrikaaners the word did not necessarily have negative connotations.

The term in fact does not appear to have existed in its use to describe race relations until the nineteen thirties or the nineteen forties. There appear to have been a couple of irrelevant uses of the word dating back to 1905,

So Australia would have been hard put to have it as a named policy before the Republic of South Africa

So we need to get back to basics HJ. What are you complaining - perhaps quite validly - about? If it is that indigenous people have been treated badly, I think we all agree

But if you want to blame people currently alive then that is quite another matter which requires sources and evidence

And as I said before NO-ONE is responsible for events that took place before they were born. NO-ONE is responsible for the situation they were born into. NO-ONE is guilty of the sins of past generations or in particular of sins committed by people who aren't even their ancestors

I feel you are having problems with the concept of "innocence". The basic term "innocent" comes from the Latin and means "not harming" but the term refers to not being directly involved in the perpetration of an event and to being free of moral wrong

Modern generations and modern migrants are free of guilt in relation to your accusations. You seem to be trying to undermine the humanitarian motives of totally innocent people whereby many of them seek to support indigenous causes.

How this is supposed to be good for the interests of indigenous people is quite beyond me. You seem to be sabotaging genuine human concern, compassion and sympathy and consequent assistance and action to help a disadvantage group of individuals

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Julie Richardson
July 7th, 2009

Listen to Aboriginal people, find out what they want instead of imposing our way on them.

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Howling Wind
July 7th, 2009

You can impose a longer life expectancy on me anytime you like, Julie. If you can do it by increasing my whisky allowance that would be even better. Unfortunately most health improvement schemes seem to require reducing alcohol consumption, cutting out smoking and any illegal drugs or over-prescribed pharmaceuticals

But if it's up to me to choose then it'll be an increase of life expectancy accompanied by large helpings of malt whisky, Havana Cigars and masses of imaginative sex to fill the extra hours - oh and a diet of junk food!

But then I'm just a stupid white man, who thinks that living longer means taking a hard look at yourself and getting real. and if I'm not up to it, getting someone else to do the job for me of getting some sense into my (in such case silly) head.

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Esther Schelvis
September 6th, 2009

it's time to integrate change for the better - for the children of our future...

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bill hope
September 6th, 2009

Ian Thorpe seems to be blacklisted by the australien media for his whistleblowing on Australia’s dirty little secret.

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bill hope
September 6th, 2009

http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/23/ian-thorpe-australias-dirty-little-secret/

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Thea Geddes
March 29th, 2010

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